The Peloponnesian War (extended video)

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5 жыл бұрын

The Peloponnesian War,(extended Video)
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@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
On Spartan society I left out the council of five ephors who were elected annually and shared power with the two kings. This video is a little less edited and recorded partially earlier this year and this evening-sorry if the audio sounds a little all over the place-but I thought some of you may enjoy a finished video rather than one that does not get released -let me know what you think of this longer less polished style of video in contrast to the shorter version of this video -I have increasingly committed to using most of my time on this channel writing researching editing drawing and narrating these videos by myself,I love doing it and would not like to go back to working full time in a cubical-(doing boring stuff)-if you want to help me out with upgrading my software and equipment (I use a slow old computer and a tablet) you can do so on Patreon www.patreon.com/Epimetheus1776 Even if it is just a single dollar I greatly appreciate you taking the time and your generosity
@NihilSineRex1881
@NihilSineRex1881 5 жыл бұрын
Hey,I like your videos. Can you please do a video about history of Romania.
@al8731
@al8731 5 жыл бұрын
Do a video on the anglo-kuki war 1917-1919. Or just have a look at it u might find it interesting .(idk)
@Moldovanul_
@Moldovanul_ 5 жыл бұрын
I like this style and the length is perfect. The trade-off is worth it imo.
@edwardelliott5756
@edwardelliott5756 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent style and content. Also like your series on Mesopotamian kingdoms. Having read the Bible for years and always hearing about the Assyrians, Hittites, Philistines and the Amorites it nice to get an idea of who they are. Ok, come payday I’ll go to Patreon - the line about dull cubicle work clinched it.
@bodyboardingchronicles602
@bodyboardingchronicles602 4 жыл бұрын
Ho'omana! Ho'olanilani! Ho'okanaka! Ho'owaine! Ho'okupu! Ho'onoehau! Ho'oponopono Ho. Ike Aloha! Mau Na.Ke'a! Alo Ha Ney!
@HoH
@HoH 5 жыл бұрын
I think Alcibiades is one of the most interesting characters from Ancient Athens. The guy defected.... three (!) times and at the end of his life became a general... again for Athens. Really interesting and opportunistic life.
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Completed the circle of defection...his life would make a seriously epic movie
@worsethanjoerogan8061
@worsethanjoerogan8061 5 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say that his story reads like a summer blockbuster lol
@flamesofchaos13
@flamesofchaos13 5 жыл бұрын
BUT a very interesting asshole though!
@emperorx5
@emperorx5 5 жыл бұрын
There's a reason Blue from Overly Sarcastic made a whole video about him
@BOSIE321
@BOSIE321 5 жыл бұрын
A very complex guy. I got the impression in the Symposium that he was beyond control. With his sexual antics, his charisma and obvious leadership skills he was always going to attract enemies, especially in a democracy where jealousy. I often wonder if Athens would have won the war if they hadn’t expelled him in the Sicilian expedition.
@azarishere6442
@azarishere6442 5 жыл бұрын
I got A in school becouse of this video
@Doberdobax
@Doberdobax 3 жыл бұрын
What school do you go to that they teach you this stuff?
@DuelyusSeazer
@DuelyusSeazer 3 жыл бұрын
@@Doberdobax Yea. I was never taught anything cool like this in school
@Friendlyneighborhoodguy
@Friendlyneighborhoodguy 3 жыл бұрын
I love history
@imperialrings5679
@imperialrings5679 3 жыл бұрын
We're learning it now
@Doberdobax
@Doberdobax 3 жыл бұрын
@Milk what country do use live in O.o
@akmorf6609
@akmorf6609 5 жыл бұрын
I'm Greek and that was an interesting video of that time. The sad story, we Greeks kept fighting with each other. Spartans(Leonidas),Atheneans(Periklis),Corinthians, Macedonians(Alexander), Thessaly (Achilles),Ithaca(Odysseus)... Even when Alexander united us and went on to conquer nearly all the known world of that time, he died early and the empire fell apart after that. Which gave Romans the opportunity. But at least the Romans embraced,adopted and spread the Greek way of life and thinking, which was the roots of western civilization.
@SpearDusk
@SpearDusk 5 жыл бұрын
“Fighting with each other”, Disappointing, but human nature I’m afraid, not exclusive to the Greek city states.
@davidrosner6267
@davidrosner6267 5 жыл бұрын
AkMorf, Rome inherited and spread Greek civilization.
@user-kj7kj4hy2f
@user-kj7kj4hy2f 5 жыл бұрын
Roman's belong to Greek family of nations like the Armenians and the philistaians(Palestinians)
@user-kj7kj4hy2f
@user-kj7kj4hy2f 5 жыл бұрын
@Stephen Bidgood is absolutely true Palestinians are Greeks from Crete
@ilirjantavmepatligjona8591
@ilirjantavmepatligjona8591 5 жыл бұрын
All true, only that there was no greeks in that time and no hellenes. There was only illyrian territories.
@worsethanjoerogan8061
@worsethanjoerogan8061 5 жыл бұрын
This is my second favorite history channel after Kings and Generals. Deserves more subs
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dean, Great company to be in-Love Kings and Generals too
@arc.7758
@arc.7758 5 жыл бұрын
This channel is great but you should check out Historia Civilis if you want some more knowledge.
@worsethanjoerogan8061
@worsethanjoerogan8061 5 жыл бұрын
@@arc.7758 Lol I've been subbed to that channel for a couple years already as well 😁
@TheHothead101
@TheHothead101 2 жыл бұрын
Philip of Macedon didn't necessarily "spare" Sparta, he actually ignored them as an act of insult, saying they were too insignificant.
@whitneymacdonald4396
@whitneymacdonald4396 4 жыл бұрын
I do really like the longer version. It seems more relaxed and therefore easier to dig into. I'd appreciate more biographical information about who's who in the history. I think would make it more of a story rather than just information. Thanks for your hard work.
@frankandree62
@frankandree62 5 жыл бұрын
Another well-done episode. Love the maps and visual aids. Please keep these coming. I can listen to Dan Carlin talk for hours and definitely would like to see longer content from you, of course, I am not the one having to do all the drawings and create a narrative script etc....Again, Thank you for what you do.
@kingxkai1179
@kingxkai1179 5 жыл бұрын
Lol the irony of it all, Spartan navy wins man if I was in Athens back then I would've been pissed.
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
True. I find Lysander particularly interesting-because he showed the very conservative spartan military was able to adapt when forced, and adapt in a very impressive manner
@HEALER8484
@HEALER8484 4 жыл бұрын
@@EpimetheusHistory There was no such thing as Spartan navy. There was persian-funded navy, manned with mercenaries, led by spartan generals. This spartan-persian navy was annilihated many times during the last phase of the war by the athenian triremes, but it was impossible for Athens to stand against the indefinite resources of the persian empire alone. Sparta won the war only due to the persian gold which allowed them to build a fleet.
@Brian-kr7bw
@Brian-kr7bw 4 жыл бұрын
HEALER8484 crazy how Sparta turned to Persia for help....
@SevenStarlitLakes
@SevenStarlitLakes 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all you do! These videos are informative and very well put together.
@emmaavelar2325
@emmaavelar2325 5 жыл бұрын
I like the book recommendations at the end! You do lots of research!
@seekerofgnosis7967
@seekerofgnosis7967 5 жыл бұрын
i was waiting for this.
@RuneOverW
@RuneOverW 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, good job :)
@Constantine_IA
@Constantine_IA 5 жыл бұрын
When Phillip II threatened Sparta with an invasion saying that if he invaded with his Army Spartans would become his slaves the short answer in a Spartan manner was “IF”... Spartans were not spared by Phillip exactly Phillip and the whole of the Greek World respected them like we respect them today and he knew that it would be really difficult to win(he would’ve won)and without any real geopolitical value to conquer the City which was starting to decline in all levels after the PW and they had the stigma of being Allies with the Persians plus they could not participate in Alexander’s conquest because of their laws that stated clearly that Spartans should always lead so Alexander when he declared the Greek Triumph in Asia he declared that this was done by all Greeks minus the Spartans this was a stigma to the History of Sparta and its glory...The strict rules and Society of Sparta was its Power but also its Achilles heel because sometimes they had a monolithic way of seeing things which ultimately made their population to decline,when they faced the Romans only 5000 Spartans were on the battlefield and they were crashed because of their dated Phalanx formation and weaponry by the Roman Legions...
@davidrosner6267
@davidrosner6267 5 жыл бұрын
Constantine XI, interesting! I would love to learn more about the final battle between the Spartan phalanx and the Roman legions!
@DOMDZ90911
@DOMDZ90911 5 жыл бұрын
They never could have outfought Phillip and his sarrisas. On open field, the companions would run them over from the flanks.
@RSMVreviewer
@RSMVreviewer 4 жыл бұрын
Lol that Spartans got shat on by a friggin regent, alexander didn't even need to be there. It really wasn't difficult at all.
@LeePenn2492
@LeePenn2492 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Nice 1 marra
@whitneymacdonald4396
@whitneymacdonald4396 4 жыл бұрын
This is really well done with enough information and also enough biography of who the leaders were. Very helpful. Thank you from an overworked teacher!
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help :)
@CrzBonKerz21
@CrzBonKerz21 5 жыл бұрын
For as badass as Spartans were.. I guess their inability to build an infrastructure kept them from having an empire per se.
@TheGreatPower365
@TheGreatPower365 4 жыл бұрын
You can't really assimilate into Spartan society. They could never hold an empire as they could never bring large numbers into the Spartan system, thus limiting them permanently to the resources and population of their homelands.
@MV-ch3mm
@MV-ch3mm 3 жыл бұрын
Alcibiades was badasser
@hikeandphoto2521
@hikeandphoto2521 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, keep up the good work!!
@Tobias-fe2hm
@Tobias-fe2hm 5 жыл бұрын
Hello, loving your work
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tobias!
@boogeymann6686
@boogeymann6686 5 жыл бұрын
I love you Epimetheus
@Bawlzmcgruff
@Bawlzmcgruff 5 жыл бұрын
Loved it more info the better
@joelradasa3360
@joelradasa3360 5 жыл бұрын
I subscribed., I liked and I commented.. Thanks
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joel-I appreciate it!
@guesswho8654
@guesswho8654 5 жыл бұрын
Excelent investigation!
@AlphaOmegaGreece
@AlphaOmegaGreece 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation! Greetings from Greece!
@MonsierBlack
@MonsierBlack 5 жыл бұрын
Love this Channel 👍
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Love that you love it
@MonsierBlack
@MonsierBlack 5 жыл бұрын
@@EpimetheusHistory ^_^
@abhyudayasinhchauhan6499
@abhyudayasinhchauhan6499 5 жыл бұрын
Great work brother ....really informative and amazing
@geremynakhone826
@geremynakhone826 5 жыл бұрын
This video is great, doesn't fall into the romantisation of Sparta and gives solid facts. Could you do a similar and comprehensive video on ancient Carthage (Punic wars) ?
@masaturno
@masaturno 5 жыл бұрын
Geremy Nakhoné Yes.... Romatise athens as hell
@PerumPalli
@PerumPalli 5 жыл бұрын
Advance wishes for 100000 subscriber's
@w.marden6967
@w.marden6967 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video, would also recommend Thucydides for this topic
@janfranc8458
@janfranc8458 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice video 🙂 Love from CZ
@michaelbellinger1363
@michaelbellinger1363 5 жыл бұрын
Your video is best summed up by the founder of Rome, Augustus I. “Have I played my part well? Then applaud as I exit.” Well played sir.
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Great quote!...Thank you Michael :)
@ekmalsukarno2302
@ekmalsukarno2302 5 жыл бұрын
Epimetheus, a video on the history of Cambodia, please. And also, don't forget to mention Prey Nokor.
@Sprock49
@Sprock49 3 жыл бұрын
sweet, thx
@user-gc9gl2fn3u
@user-gc9gl2fn3u 5 жыл бұрын
Alcibiades was literaly the same as Littlefinger in GOT series and my father has the same name 😂😂😂😂
@christostheocharides4689
@christostheocharides4689 4 жыл бұрын
Yes but littlefinger wasnt a general
@wildanS
@wildanS 4 жыл бұрын
Your father's name is Littlefinger?
@yazid.b
@yazid.b 4 жыл бұрын
Wildan i think he’s saying his father’s name is Alkibiades. Or Alcibiades
@pantelispantelis1820
@pantelispantelis1820 3 жыл бұрын
@@christostheocharides4689 discord.gg/Yj2yusGHqU
@davidrosner6267
@davidrosner6267 5 жыл бұрын
Another great video Epimetheus! The Peloponnesian War has defined the way people in the west think about geopolitics to this day. Did you read Thucydides’ “Peloponnesian War” when researching this topic?
@jackmichaels9504
@jackmichaels9504 5 жыл бұрын
I really love that you give us the source at the end of the video!
@jroc3080
@jroc3080 3 жыл бұрын
loved it
@anthonyelenga8939
@anthonyelenga8939 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone else came here after playing Assassin's creed odyssey ?
@emenefer
@emenefer 5 жыл бұрын
I love it when I find random diamonds in the rough in my suggestion feed. (to the youtube employee reading this, that doesn't mean I'm happy yet.)
@michaelmoore4043
@michaelmoore4043 5 жыл бұрын
Nice
@goodbanter4427
@goodbanter4427 5 жыл бұрын
Some sloppy spelling errors :/ Aside of that great vid as always
@breadmonkeys
@breadmonkeys Жыл бұрын
Brutal!
@frostyblade8842
@frostyblade8842 5 жыл бұрын
this is great like and sub
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@RemusKingOfRome
@RemusKingOfRome 5 жыл бұрын
"The Rise of the Greeks" by Michael Grant is also an excellent read
@nikos8rigo8
@nikos8rigo8 5 жыл бұрын
nice
@jessehawkes1298
@jessehawkes1298 5 жыл бұрын
Just in time for my university history test next week
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome-hope it goes well for you
@vivianvaldi7871
@vivianvaldi7871 2 жыл бұрын
This one has more more meat to it. Thx fellow searcher, historian, you tuber, citizen.
@iraqimapper8625
@iraqimapper8625 5 жыл бұрын
Can you please do a video about Celtic people and their rise and shocking decline
@muhammadjoshua7464
@muhammadjoshua7464 5 жыл бұрын
I've never been this early before
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
:D
@APEX-qv7rm
@APEX-qv7rm 5 жыл бұрын
I am a Greek in Canada I always feel going into war With a nice big sword ...not a gun
@jdg_be
@jdg_be 3 жыл бұрын
This helped a lot for my exam
@Jobe-13
@Jobe-13 Жыл бұрын
Pretty fascinating chapter of classical Greek times.
@jeromevegona5024
@jeromevegona5024 5 жыл бұрын
This is so sad, can we destroy Athens?
@juliusmatijosius2219
@juliusmatijosius2219 5 жыл бұрын
Can we hit 5 Spartan children?
@XtReMz98
@XtReMz98 3 жыл бұрын
This is great to understand what paved Alexander the Great conquests yet to come!
@wiemisstmaneigentlicharmla1394
@wiemisstmaneigentlicharmla1394 4 жыл бұрын
3:05 nice
@Transilvanian90
@Transilvanian90 Жыл бұрын
Alcibiades is the Ancient World's equivalent of the French Talleyrand, a Aristocrat who somehow managed to serve under, and then betray, the old Monarchy, various French Revolutionary governments, Napoleon's regime and finally ended up helping restore the monarchy in 1815.
@KTChamberlain
@KTChamberlain 5 жыл бұрын
Alcibiades sounds like the kind of guy you would make you repeatedly use the clip of Gilbert Gottfried yelling out: "What an asshole!" just to summarize his character.
@onuscronus984
@onuscronus984 5 жыл бұрын
👍
@mattpliska
@mattpliska 4 жыл бұрын
Why did u snub thucydides, best book to learn everything about the peloponnesian war if your sufficiently adventurous, great video. Odd how the land beast beat the sea beast in two classical wars the spartans here and the romans at ecnomus. Especially strange given the last two hegemons america and britian, consistently outdueled land beasts.
@isaacbakan1295
@isaacbakan1295 5 жыл бұрын
Damn. Sounds like Aghanistan these days. Just never stopped fighting
@phdtobe
@phdtobe 4 жыл бұрын
@11:11 It’s “coup de grâce”. What you said would mean “blow of fat”, not the appropriate “blow of mercy”.
@icedtrs8455
@icedtrs8455 3 жыл бұрын
4:41 that voice change tho
@SlickYRM
@SlickYRM 5 жыл бұрын
I have that book The Spartans!! I've yet to read it though as Ive started reading the Iliad first 😂
@brunoethier896
@brunoethier896 3 жыл бұрын
Very nicely explained. On a side note, the background to Athen rising to proeminence was when they became a "democracy" (only for male non-slave landowners), which allowed them a radical course change: use a silver deposit discovered to buy 200 triremes from Corinth, the best shipbuilders. This is what allowed Athens to launch their commercial "empire" while exporting their valuable olive oil and securing trade deals and vassal states. It also explains why Corinth was a little miffed with Athens ;-)
@hampsterdanny
@hampsterdanny 5 жыл бұрын
Look you cover interesting periods of history and often overlooked ones. But you really need to practice your oration. It's partly your sentence structure and your deliverance which just sounds off. Try looking over your commas in your scripts and read those out loud. Instead of holding weird breaks in the middle of sentences like you do now
@williamkartatar4759
@williamkartatar4759 5 жыл бұрын
AC Odysseus was one of the great history based game ever I saw.Greek atmosphere of city states and
@williamkartatar4759
@williamkartatar4759 5 жыл бұрын
Of course Spartaks
@johnappleseed8146
@johnappleseed8146 5 жыл бұрын
Origins was much better in terms of historical accuracy
@zerquinn1398
@zerquinn1398 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnappleseed8146 Origins, didn't count so heavily in history, unlike Odyssey.
@Brian-kr7bw
@Brian-kr7bw 4 жыл бұрын
DA REAL Johnny Appleseed ancient Egypt isn't as cool as Ancient Greece though
@michaelmoore4043
@michaelmoore4043 5 жыл бұрын
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@Number1Irishlad
@Number1Irishlad 4 жыл бұрын
7:07 "who they viewed as--" ad: TOP 10 ANCIENT INFANTRY I was very confused 😂
@phdtobe
@phdtobe 4 жыл бұрын
@5:22 It’s *brethren*, not “brotheren”.
@christophercrowley9873
@christophercrowley9873 5 жыл бұрын
What do you think of Assassin's Creed Odyssey take on this time period.
@lipdick10
@lipdick10 5 жыл бұрын
This game fucking rules. Who agrees
@nerminerminerminermi
@nerminerminerminermi 5 жыл бұрын
Is that guy on the right Alkibiades?
@somegreekdude9225
@somegreekdude9225 5 жыл бұрын
Damn lysander lived one hell of a life even being worshipped as a god of the sea
@KTChamberlain
@KTChamberlain 5 жыл бұрын
No significant territorial expansion between the belligerents at the end of the First Peloponnesian War? I wonder if the city of Megara saw that coming in a Pelopnnesian minute?
@alexwest2573
@alexwest2573 2 жыл бұрын
Insert comment about how My mother told me Someday I would buy Galleys with good oars Sails to distant shores Those oarsmen must’ve been pretty buff dudes , I imagine they looked like body builders with huge arms, they are like the fireman on ocean liners, the hardest overlooked job of keeping the ship sailing/moving
@johnsmitty7447
@johnsmitty7447 5 жыл бұрын
alcibiades was a funny guy
@kavindichethana8594
@kavindichethana8594 5 жыл бұрын
I am a sriankan but i studied those things for heights studies ♥️ greece
@tajrasti
@tajrasti 5 жыл бұрын
Why didn't Philip II subjugate Sparta?
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Good question-I know he threatened to take them-maybe because he died and then Alexander was more focused on Persia-or the cost-benefit was not worth-not sure, but I am sure the answer is interesting
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz 5 жыл бұрын
Sparta was in decay and also an old oligarchic ally of Macedon (or viceversa), not even Rome really bothered conquering Sparta until very late, as it was exquisitely neutral (who would have thought!) and not key to anything. There's "economy of resources" applying: you don't conquer everything, only what matters, the rest will fall like ripe fruit after that.
@Presbiter
@Presbiter 5 жыл бұрын
Well, there is the famouse laconic answer Phillip had put out an ultimatum to the Spartans and it words were kept for the age to come: ‘If you do not submit at once,’ he threatened them, ‘I will invade your country. And if I invade, I will pillage and burn everything you hold dear. If I march into Laconia, I will level your great city to the ground.’ The Spartans answered with what would later be know as the laconic answer "If"
@Tupadre97
@Tupadre97 5 жыл бұрын
IF
@MrLolx2u
@MrLolx2u 5 жыл бұрын
It's actually VERY worth it. However, despite how weak Sparta was at that time, their military wasn't a joke and Phillip was contending on taking the other city states that he would not want to risk fighting against someone that's constantly prepared for war and same goes to Alexander who thought that conquering an even weaker army (The Persians) was way more satisfying and quicker than plunging into a war with a well-organized army like his. In fact, Alexander did employ a few Spartan mercenaries into his elite cavalry and even his elite Phalanx divisions that specially stuck close to him.
@buckroger6456
@buckroger6456 5 жыл бұрын
Spartans are way over hyped. They also could never truly go an fight a war because they feared their huge slave population rising up against them.
@aftastosk6016
@aftastosk6016 5 жыл бұрын
what you call "slave population" was not even that, but essentially serfdom. Still, they were oppressed therefore they were ready to revolt.
@MrLolx2u
@MrLolx2u 5 жыл бұрын
Overhyped but not unjustified. I mean, they're the only ones where every single person in that nation is trained in combat like how modern Israel is where both male and female are trained in combat (Spartan women do train in self-defense and minor combat strategies so they can defend themselves if the Helots do revolt) and they're the TRUE democracy in the Greeco world where women have a voice in everything instead of men alone. Plus with soo much training the Spartans received as Hoplites, no other Greeks would actually win them in any form of combat unless it's at sea and even Lysander proved that to be wrong that the Spartans themselves can fight anywhere well. Besides, for 300 and it's 7000 Thespia and Corithian allies to murder up to 50,000-100,000 Persians on top of going toe to toe with the Immortals, that's frankly badass and worthy of the hype.
@buckroger6456
@buckroger6456 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrLolx2u guess I just didn't say it very well then. It's just that they never went beyond their own boarders to expand an build an empire. So many others did but yet Sparta never did.
@MrLolx2u
@MrLolx2u 5 жыл бұрын
What Wyatt Earp had said. Laconia in general isn't made up for imperialism as their ideology of governance and even population count can't sustain a huge empire. For Attica, that's different. With the Athenians as the capital and pillar of the Attican region and free democracy where everyone is free, even slaves that made gained merit in serving, it made everything easy where decisions are easily voted and if during war time the Athenians were to... "All died during war", a normal slave who had gained merit can get Athenian citizenship and serve in the Athenian Phalanx like any throughbred Athenians would. However, not the Laconian Sparta where Helots are mere helots and only actual Spartans can be in the Spartan Army and that's why when it comes to manpower, Athenians win. When it comes to governance, Athenians wins again with their more "free-reign" approach but as mentioned when it comes to warfare, Spartans wins due to their constant military training approach that never stops. Besides, Spartans are a full-time military force even when they're not at war while for the Athenians, many of the soldiers in the army are just part-timers where they're drafted into war and then released when the war ends so they can continue being poets and do whatever craft they did be it being a merchant, a farmer, a poet or even a traveller. That's how different they are despite all being Hellenic and why Sparta isn't overhyped at all especially when you see them fight on the battlefield. Calling Sparta overhyped is like telling everyone "Israel's army is just overhyped" when they beat all their neighbors not once but 3x all in a span of just 30 years. That's the modern day Sparta.
@SpearDusk
@SpearDusk 5 жыл бұрын
Over hyped as in over romanticized. Glad Epimetheus avoided over romanticization of Sparta.
@MrLolx2u
@MrLolx2u 5 жыл бұрын
Alcibiades was a smart double or in this sense... Triple agent I should say and this was all down to what happened in Sicily. Herodotus and a few other historians did mention that Alcibiades was right to attack Sicily as it was the left flank of the Peloponnesian League and with Athens ravaged with plague and out of supplies while the Spartans had the Persians supporting them in goods, money and even ships, Alcibiades needed to break Athens and build it up with newer supplies across the region and that was Sicily in the Italian peak. However, it was the incompetent Nicias that destroyed the whole campaign as he led a way smaller force that Alcibiades wanted and when the Sicilians fought back, his tiny force couldn't maintain the situation like Alcibiades had thought so but with Alcibiades, the mastermind of the invasion gone, all hopes were lost and with his campaign in tatters and blames pushed on him, he fled to Sparta and worked with them there. Then followed on to Persia where he was again betrayed by the Greeks.
@EpimetheusHistory
@EpimetheusHistory 5 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a badass Alcibiades movie in my lifetime-will be super epic
@MrLolx2u
@MrLolx2u 5 жыл бұрын
I hope so too. I also hope whoever made the movie emphasized on Alcibiades's motives on why he wants to attack on Sicily and why it made sense unlike what the other heretics said that it was useless.
@braydenleis4735
@braydenleis4735 5 жыл бұрын
quick thought, if one city state dominated and had the ambition to set up an empire, could they have created one like rome did later? When rome was conquering the Italian peninsula they had to fight other city states as well. We see Alexander dominated the known world while he was alive but it seems he couldnt set up effective heirs to keep his empire in one piece after his death. Rome was able to do this so what do you guys think? if one greek city state could dominate the rest, have ambitions for an empire, and could set up a stable government, could they have been rome before rome.
@tictic-lu6ld
@tictic-lu6ld 5 жыл бұрын
plese talk about history funan of cambodia
@ecommax02
@ecommax02 5 жыл бұрын
Love ancient greece.. play AC Odyssey if ur interested aswell!
@rijiriju
@rijiriju 5 жыл бұрын
lel get brainwashed by zog more likely
@Dagsschiller
@Dagsschiller 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, great story! but I think it needs more Persians.
@LiveYourLifeWithJoy
@LiveYourLifeWithJoy 5 жыл бұрын
If it was the 13 years peace then wasn't it from 445 untill 431 BC?
@UmbraBlades
@UmbraBlades 5 жыл бұрын
Authentic Greek geek from modern Athens here, I got some minor corrections/additions for ya: 1) According to myth, Lakedaimonas was a son of Zeus and he became the fourth king of the land of the kindom/region Laconia, after he married Sparta, the daughter of the river-god and king of Lakonia, Eurotas. After that the land took after the names of all three, as the city was named Sparta, the river flowing near it was named Eurotas and the land surrounding the city was known as Lakedaimonia/Lakedaimona. Thus, pure Spartan hoplites, when reffering to their ethnicity, used to claim that they were Lakedaimoioi, very seldom they used to say "We're Spartans, aou, aou, aou !". 2) The regions of the Peloponnese surrounding the city-state of Sparta are Messenia, Arcadia, Lakonia and Cynuria. Messenia is the region which the city-state of Sparta is a part of and the afore-mentioned Lakedaimona surrounding it is a land within Messenia itself. As said above pure Spartan citizens are those living within Sparta AND in the Lakedaimona land surrounding the city, whether the mid-class perioikoi and the slave-class hilots were the subjugated peoples of Messenia, Arcadia, Lakonia and Cynuria that were territories controlled by Sparta. 3) Correct writing and pronunciation: a) Lakedaimonioi, perioikoi = the 'oi' in the English language (both UK and USA), is pronounced 'Oee' like koi fish, but in ancient and new Greek 'oi' and 'i' is pronounced 'ee' like leek. Same goes for other words with Greek origin, like the Romanian vampires called strigoi featured in The Strain series, that should correctly be pronounced 'strigee'. This is a common mistake that foreign academics do, and is drawing heavy criticism from Greek academics, going so far as spawning the greek meme/saying "Yankees butcher our language". Moreover, in 'Lakedaimonioi', the 'daimon' part should be written in new Greek with Latin characters as 'demon', 'Lakedemonioi', but pronounced 'LakedEmonioi', like in the word 'elegance'. b) Messenia is written in English like that, but when written in new greek with latin characters should be written as 'Messinia', but pronounced 'Messeenia'). Same rule applies for Corinthe, that should correctly be written as Corinthia/Korinthia (pronounced Corintheea/Korintheea). The main difference though being that the city-state itself is known in both ancient and new Greek as Corinthos/Korinthos while the land surrounding the city is the one known as Corinthia/Korinthia. c) As above, Sparta, Thebes and Athens are mispronounced like that ONLY in English, the correct terms in ancient/new Greek is Sparti, Thiba and Athina (pronounced Spartee, Theeva, and Atheena). Athens also has an even more archaic form Athinai (pronounced Athinae, like Aerith/Aeris from Final Fantasy VII).
@user-mw1ps1hc8n
@user-mw1ps1hc8n 5 жыл бұрын
Το αγαπημένο μου είναι όταν τους ακούω να λενε περΌΪκΟΪ
@UmbraBlades
@UmbraBlades 5 жыл бұрын
@@user-mw1ps1hc8n xD ναι, είναι λες και ακούς κανένα εξωγήινο κθούλου να μιλάει με γλου γλου !
@user-mw1ps1hc8n
@user-mw1ps1hc8n 5 жыл бұрын
+Astaroath Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn
@norbirafi9032
@norbirafi9032 Жыл бұрын
i love this shit ❤
@vinhny2406
@vinhny2406 5 жыл бұрын
This is SPARTA. Oh wait wrong period
@danielg7315
@danielg7315 5 жыл бұрын
*You forgot one major event. Where was Deimos and Deimos' sibling throughout this conflict?* 🤔
@twgstudios1096
@twgstudios1096 5 жыл бұрын
Daniel G They “erased” the cult and themselves from history you see ;)
@legendarybroliz4578
@legendarybroliz4578 Жыл бұрын
I love the Spartans, "our shields are our wall and our spears are our boarders" They feed women the same as men and put them through training so they could be strong and defend themselves. Fucking love it
@somegreekdude9225
@somegreekdude9225 5 жыл бұрын
When a video teaches you more than a schooll ever could
@phdtobe
@phdtobe 4 жыл бұрын
@7:34 It’s “hoplites”, not “hopalites”.
@timothy2630
@timothy2630 4 жыл бұрын
yeah and all vowels are pronounced. If you are greek you may know it. Greeks pronounce it like " O p l i t e s" with "i" sounding like in the word "live" and "e" sounding like in the word "eden"
@phdtobe
@phdtobe 4 жыл бұрын
Timothy I was talking about how it is pronounced in English, which is the language the narrator is speaking in.
@timothy2630
@timothy2630 4 жыл бұрын
@@phdtobe oh yeah i understood and i agreed. I just commented that just for the info , if you were interested
@phdtobe
@phdtobe 4 жыл бұрын
Timothy Thanks. Speaking of Greek pronunciation, until I started listening to The History of Byzantium podcast last year, I didn’t know that the ‘g’ in “Aegean” was pronounced like an ‘h’.
@timothy2630
@timothy2630 4 жыл бұрын
@@phdtobe wait...what? the G in the English word Aegean is pronounced like a g. Maybe i didnt understand you well?
@sireheheiv234
@sireheheiv234 4 жыл бұрын
aT 6:38 YOU SPELLED THEIRS WRONG. oops had caps
@thegalacticgalaxy2078
@thegalacticgalaxy2078 3 жыл бұрын
Alcibiades happens when you combine the wolf of Wall Street and the joker
@waks6408
@waks6408 5 жыл бұрын
Who else is here after playing AC: Odyssey?
@stevenrith2386
@stevenrith2386 5 жыл бұрын
Waks the game that just repetitive
@Katsura_ja_nai_Zura_da
@Katsura_ja_nai_Zura_da 5 жыл бұрын
@@stevenrith2386 its a best game atm set in this time period, take it or leave!
@HEALER8484
@HEALER8484 4 жыл бұрын
One of the greatest misconceptions regarding ancient history is that "Spartans were the finest military force the world has ever seen". Well, If the "finest warriors the world has ever known" can't put down slave revolts (Ithome), don't fortify positions until a defector (Alcibiades) tells them to, don't have a navy until Persia pays for one and can't achieve any military success without the assistance of lots of allies, then we're in trouble… To be more precise, Athens launched by far much more military campaigns than any other Greek city-state. In fact Sparta and Corinth envied Athens restless military spirit, as it is mentioned in Thucydides during the speech of the Corinthians at the beginning of the war. Athens won the First Peloponnesian war as well as the Archidamian war (the first phase of the peloponnesian war), check the complete destruction of the spartan army and navy in Sphacteria. After, the athenian triple victory in Pylos and Sphacteria, Sparta begged Athens for peace. Athens had clearly the upper hand. Sparta was surrounded, they lost, Pylos, Githeion, Kithira and many helots were escaping to the Athenians. Sphacteria was the biggest disaster in the history of Sparta that almost ended the war
@Brian-kr7bw
@Brian-kr7bw 4 жыл бұрын
HEALER8484 I've heard a lot of the points you made from some guy on KZbin who made a video to debunk Spartan myths. No doubt Spartans has the best warriors. Sparta didn't like getting involved in many battles because they had to keep their helots in checks who outnumbered them 10:1. The Athenian navy was unmatched so bringing up naval battles Sparta lost is pointless. Sparta was known for their success in pitch battles not their navy.
@buckplug2423
@buckplug2423 2 жыл бұрын
Spartans were great warriors, but Athenians were great soldiers.
@colejames423
@colejames423 2 жыл бұрын
“Stratergy” 😂
@goneburger2731
@goneburger2731 4 жыл бұрын
what's a Peloponnesian are they like us Polynesians or something..? because I'm a Maori native of New Zealand but my koro (grandfather) told us that his grandfathers line was from a place called Bet Nahrain ....
@alexalex-si4hl
@alexalex-si4hl 4 жыл бұрын
Peloponnisos is a region in Greece were Sparta is located. I am from there too so greetings from Peloponnisos
@nantzstein3311
@nantzstein3311 5 жыл бұрын
"The real story"
@Ironication
@Ironication 5 жыл бұрын
Was Sparta eventually conquered by Alexander or remained a free city-state?
@comingafteryou5352
@comingafteryou5352 5 жыл бұрын
It was eventually conquered yes
@Bell_Matt
@Bell_Matt 5 жыл бұрын
By the time Sparta was conquered, it was a shell of what it used to be.
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