The People’s Joker Interview: Vera Drew Discuss the Legality of the Movie

[@mabusestestament]

Turns out copyright is real.

[@ravelordnito478]

Turns out copyright is terrible for art and you can’t care about art and support modern copyright

[@darksideblues135]

@@ravelordnito478 fortunately, this wasn’t art but propaganda.

[@wonderanchor337]

@@ravelordnito478 It's a double-edged sword. Copyright also protects artists' work from being stolen.

[@REAL_Infamous]

@@wonderanchor337 also depends on who owns the content & who does the stealing. You can justify a lot depending on which party occupies these roles, and it’s not a surprise that the party who feels emboldened enough to do the stealing also feels the most transgressed when they are stolen from

[@doelroarpa3489]

@@darksideblues135 what definition of art are you using?

[@keithstrickland4390]

Legally they can use the character but they can't use his name. Thats why Jerome in the show "Gotham" was never called "Joker". They didn't have the rights to use the name.

[@megantron5331]

So many morons missing the forest for the trees in this comment section. For one, this is absolutely parody which falls under fair use. It doesn't matter if the characters look similar or have the same name. I may not be a legal expert, but there's enough weird Simpsons porn on the internet to prove me right on this. If the work is transformative, it's fair use. Second, Joker debuted in 1940 and would have entered the public domain by now if Disney didn't lobby the government to indefinitely extend their copyrights. Regardless of how good or bad the film is, it should be allowed to exist. I'd rather someone put their own spin on old IPs rather than let Disney and Warner Brothers continue squating in the cultural zeitgeist, occasionally pushing out a half-assed movie to justify their continued ownership.

[@jolly9043]

🤢🤢🤢

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

okay, fake poser.

[@HaloFan0117]

I speak for everyone when I say that we won't be watching.

[@VogtTD]

"If only the laws were different, this would be different" Brilliant. You do realize that laws change sometimes? "Women didn't used to have the right to vote! Checkmate feminists"

[@nightmare674]

@@HaloFan0117 It doesn't it matter if you aren't watching it. I may not watch it either, but the fact is, is has the right to exist and be released.

[@shadybeachproductions]

So funny how all these *definitely not transphobic people* are suddenly experts on copyright law lol

[@MexicanBandit]

She straight up called the film illegal. She knew what she was getting into. But yeah having said that it’s taking a massive dump on a beloved character and I’m pretty sure that the movie sucks and it’s terribly unfunny. Hyper woke people simply can’t do comedy beyond unconscious self-satire.

[@eazeup5932]

I'm not transphobic by any means. I said in someone else's comment that I'd honestly much rather watch an original story with original characters based around the same storyline of a trans woman coming out and her hardships and so on. I feel like that would have a much deeper impact on people. It wouldn't feel forced. Its not borrowing the name of the joker or Gotham or Batman for recognition, but it's something that can stand on its own. It would be much more interesting to me if THAT movie were made. Not a "joker parody" movie.

[@jamk2668]

Yeah, I think this film looks lazy but it 100 percent should exist. And I would definitely take a film subtlety attacking played out comic book movies than an actual comic book movie.

[@FootbaFan-pr8sl]

@@MexicanBanditfunny how just having a queer character is pushing an agenda to a fascist freak such as yourself

[@VogtTD]

Of course, because anyone who criticizes a shitty plagiarized movie must be transphobic.

[@jultejock7185]

Lot of huge fans of copyright law in these comments for some reason. I personally do not stan any law that hard, so I don't really get it, but hey, you do you.

[@UniversalLevelThreat]

Because it's theft of an owned character and property. If a big corporation stole some smaller unknown artist's character and made a movie for profit you people defending this trash would be up in arms. Just because it is stealing from a big corp doesn't make it right. Or make it Robin Hood. It isn't doing anything for the people or the oppressed. It is literally just a selfish theif who feels entitled to other's things. Absolutely ridiculous honestly. If it cared so much about this idea it would have uploaded to KZbin for free and there would be no problem. It wanted money.

[@VogtTD]

Yeah, laws only matter when you like them and they benefit you personally.

[@jultejock7185]

@@VogtTD Yeah, basically!

[@leahryu4116]

Just thinly veiled transphobia

[@GrahamBean]

There's nothing a slave loves more than a master.

[@RobertRotte1]

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[@alexmontrey5372]

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[@kashphlinktu]

Is it going to be released anywhere?

[@gonzoradio1007]

Let's hope not!!

[@crabmonky]

​@@gonzoradio1007it's probably better than anything you've ever put out

[@DANCINGWITHTHEFAILS]

It's out now just saw it at my local theater last night :)

[@slasher0630]

....mmm no. No. You can make your own movie with similar things but make it original.

[@nepmora01]

theres has been many joker parodys in you tube that made money come on

[@beejaye6261]

Who? I’ve never heard of them and that’s probably why they made money if they exist. This dumbass literally took their film to a highly publicized film festival. No one cares about it being queer they care about the blatant copyright infringement and the audacity of this director to expect no one to criticize it

[@guyverGODZILLAheiseiERA]

*so much for lesbian support* BATWOMAN would like a word

[@cganimefan1267]

Can they release the film legally if they release it for free?

[@daviddelara7158]

That’s the only way this could go without potentially being sued - I hope it gets released

[@matineyang]

4:45 well that didn’t take long. Of course it’s going to go there when doing a press tour for a joker parody movie.

[@claytonclark1031]

This looks better than anything Marvel and DC are currently producing.

[@nh0522]

its really original and actually amazing

[@IanJenn356094]

No Marvel or DC movie has actually made me vomit though.

[@nh0522]

Its really good. If theres a screening near you go see it.

[@quietestkitten]

I loved it so much!

[@wonderanchor337]

To help her case she really shouldn't have advertised the film as "illegal" in most interviews and marketing materials.

[@IanJenn356094]

His case, you mean.

[@REAL_Infamous]

It’s our Joker, comrade

[@greshan7789]

If this doesn't peak my interest there's something wrong with me? Hmm.. 🤔

[@TranleyKubrick]

privileged to have seen this through my job. truly one of a kind movie. excellent. i loved it. very cathartic to watch as a trans person

[@OllieFreeman-w6g]

You groom children

[@Luke-qo3xr]

Trans doesn't exist. It's physical impossible to transition gender. Get help

[@treeckob]

Did they got a copy right strike

[@hellsapoppin9326]

imma need to see this myself, please god let me see it

[@UniversalLevelThreat]

The fact this movie actually got this far is a sign of our failing entertainment industry

[@acfan8253]

Yes, exactly

[@byrontownsel7274]

@@Pizzapartydad 🤣🤣🤣

[@beejaye6261]

This movie sucks. The director sure looks like they’re the type of person to say anyone who doesn’t like this movie is a transphobe in order to minimize criticism. Just like Elizabeth Banks did when her Charlie’s Angels reboot flopped.

[@pinkbunny5816]

Right!

[@sirspookington]

94 likes 211 dislikes, for anyone wondering.

[@yourarchnemesis8453]

based.

[@forestfreeman1600]

1000/10 movie let ppl use c0pyrighted characters especially from a billion dollar industry

[@TheArmedHermit]

Trash. And yeah it piqued someone’s interest; Warner Brothers.

[@leosanalien9904]

Do ppl who get upset even Batman?

[@BrothersWebOfficial]

And yeah why am I still Watching this comes in to play here... 9:49

[@Loki_is_my_name]

The ‘peoples joker’ that "the people" don’t want to see. Thank goodness for copywrite laws.

[@magdabaker5983]

Jeez these comments are weird. This movie rocks and so does Vera 🐛

[@dannilkerr2372]

I really to see this - there must be a way I guess - I hope

[@loki-of-asgard7877]

Keep pretending. Movie is enough to make your eyes bleed. Indie woke propaganda

[@keithstrickland4390]

This movie is gonna be terrible for so many reasons. As someone whos been a huge fan of the Joker for over 30 years and has studied him in depth, it's obvious to me that this team has almost no understanding of who the Joker really is.

[@Eggplantman21]

Don't think you know what this movie is about either.

[@shadybeachproductions]

Screw copyright. This movie deserves to come out

[@byrontownsel7274]

No it doesn't. It looks like a Downs kid made it.

[@shadybeachproductions]

@@byrontownsel7274 big yikes

[@marcb7188]

why does it deserve to come out ?

[@dopecat15]

@@byrontownsel7274 well a person with a mental illness did make it.

[@beejaye6261]

@@shadybeachproductions what, we can’t make fun of rētards anymore? Sad days we living in

[@insurance3012]

I can't wait to see it. It pushes the line in all the right ways.

[@Gringo_Mayo]

Collider would like this bot ass comment. Lol "all the right ways" huh?

[@insurance3012]

@@Gringo_Mayo I just think the fact Warner Bros wants to stop the showings of a small budget custom queer allegory parody means it pushes the line. The fact that it pisses off transphobes across the globe pushes the line. I dont know how anyone can see this and think "aw jeewiz, that sure looks boring and unchallenging." It looks fun

[@eazeup5932]

I think that what pisses people off, isn't the fact that it's a story about a trans person coming out to the world and facing those problems... It's the fact that she's calling this the Joker and basing her story in Gotham is what people have problems with. I feel like if it were a completely original story, with original characters, and the same storyline? People would accept it more. Personally, I think having an original story about a trans person coming out is more powerful than leaning on the name of an already established character in an already established universe. There's, "pushing the line" and then there's copyright infringement. I don't think that WB and DC care that the character is trans, I think that WB and DC care that they're using characters that legally belong to WB Studios and DC.

[@insurance3012]

@@eazeup5932 Warner Bros pushes against it because it pushes forward on interpretations of copyright and parody rights, as a free speech issue. I think using Joker as a medium to do it was clever.

[@eazeup5932]

@@insurance3012 I think using the joker to do it was blatantly using someone else's IP for your own monetary gain. Warner Bros is pushing against it because they're obviously using Warner Bros characters in their movie and calling it their own. You can't use someone else's idea and someone else's world they created, call it a parody, and expect them to sit quietly. She even said the movie is an illegal comic book movie. She said it herself. She can claim she said it to get people to watch the movie, but that's marketing to the fact that you know you're making a film with the same characters as DC and Warner Bros and calling them your own. You even say that you don't have DC's permission to make the movie in the trailer... So when DC and Warner Bros step in and say they don't want the movie out there... You can't really say that they're wrong. You gave them all the reasoning to step in. It really would've been such a better movie if they were original characters. If it were an original movie based on a trans woman coming out and her struggles and so on. It would've had a more powerful message than a weakly premised "parody"

[@mikerios1065]

Like Bob Kane, when he stole the ideas of Bill Finger by copywriting Batman characters and claiming that he created it all by himself.

[@wonderanchor337]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[@Aaron-zt5ee]

There’s parody and there’s making a movie about a character that is owned by someone else. This is a character named Joker, she has green hair and she has identical makeup. Why not have a character named The Jester with blue hair? They probably would have gotten away with it then.

[@Aaron-zt5ee]

@@petersonconald2816 I get being unoriginal. Like, you can do a ripoff character. Bringing the entire character over whoelsale just ensures you get sued and no one sees your film.

[@Pizzapartydad]

Man, you guys love corporations… they do not love you back!

[@UniversalLevelThreat]

@@Pizzapartydad keep up the cope it should help with those sleepless nights

[@Aaron-zt5ee]

@@Pizzapartydad I don't love corporations and my statements here don't reflect that.

[@nullcorecheat]

Oh dear, they're making their own version of the Joker WITHOUT LEGAL RIGHTS? That is so mean to the big billion dollar film industry!!! how dare they!!!

[@victorquinones6031]

did they really said a comic book movie?

[@colbiesage5992]

The joker is killing

[@shep4442]

JUSTICE FOR THE PEOPLE'S JOKER!! The HOGS and the corporate SYCOPHANTS will meet a swift end at the edge of my blade.

[@lukecharlton]

alarm bells!

[@katrose5179]

Hoping this is trolling.

[@brunneng38]

Cringe

[@therealJohnChristopher]

How did these people think they could make this and not get shutdown over copyright? Maybe not knowing about copyright comes along with not understanding the difference between men and women.

[@brunneng38]

The insanity is that from what I’ve heard, the creator is in the industry. And there’s cameos from some pretty famous actor friends of hers. And apparently at no point did anyone say “can we actually do this?” 😂😂

[@Pizzapartydad]

They literally got a team of lawyers to comb through every minute of it to clear it from any copyright infringement. It’s a parody so it’s protected as fair use. You wanna go after Weird Al next? You gonna stop using joker memes?

[@brunneng38]

@@Pizzapartydad Apparently they were shitty lawyers.

[@beejaye6261]

@@Pizzapartydad tell your uncle to stop r*ping lil girl my guy. We all know he’s still alive

[@neilvarma]

Hey The Suicide squad and Joker (2019) Vera picked two of my fave DC movies too 😅!

[@gonzoradio1007]

Welcome to the age of movie Remakes and Ripoffs... Where Originality is officially DEAD.

[@FootbaFan-pr8sl]

You say this like Disney and marvel and DC haven’t just been pumping out unoriginal shit since the fucking 40’s

[@webyeller4730]

Google Parody, Learn up wittless

[@quietestkitten]

This was so much more creative than your typical "save the cat" clone Marvel movie

[@gonzoradio1007]

@@quietestkitten Creative doesn't always equate to good tho.. I thought it was REALLY CRINGY and boring as well, just my opinion though

[@carlos8730]

I want to see this so bad! Sucks that the corpo rats can’t have a sense of humor.

[@lt.boinks992]

I mean they did infringe on copyright so i can see why they dont want it screened

[@nepmora01]

they can just change the characters and names with a twist

[@lt.boinks992]

@@nepmora01 not really bane penguin arent changed its blatant infringement

[@nepmora01]

give these guys a JOB please

[@nepmora01]

they have talent

[@smellslikeus]

Kino

[@Wifitears450]

They just released a new trailer for the movie 12 hours ago.

[@HuskyProductions585]

❤

[@muteseek99]

Embarrassing on all fronts.

[@marcb7188]

and beyond

[@pamelathompson6783]

Copying from the movie The Joker haha SMH WB did well cancelling this trash

[@StoningXStephen]

It's woke trash. Very 2022

[@adamtherock2008]

Define woke

[@StoningXStephen]

@@adamtherock2008 Don't play dumb. You know exactly what it means.

[@adamtherock2008]

@@StoningXStephen not really, no.

[@StoningXStephen]

@@adamtherock2008 Cool. It's not my job to educate you.

[@adamtherock2008]

@@StoningXStephen yes it is.

[@gamingunited37]

LOL what a joke

[@marcoa5465]

So this comes out and not bat girl crazy

[@katrose5179]

It got pulled from TIFF. It’s not coming out. Copyright is a thing, turns out.

[@marcoa5465]

@@katrose5179 good

[@katrose5179]

@@marcoa5465 agreed.

[@Duncan.M]

@@katrose5179 how are these two movie situations related?

[@katrose5179]

@@Duncan.M I never said they were. I said it got pulled and agreed it was good. I never commented on Batgirl at all.

[@BankaiFever]

This is what’s wrong with this country.

[@xRevoEmaGx]

"special for so many reasons".....uhhhhh

[@missmerbella]

Embarrassing.

[@aagustin10]

L Movie

[@darksideblues135]

Pretty Gross. Why is that this side always identifies with villains. Seems like a hidden message about who these people are.

[@mdoglegend]

That’s some pretty deep analysis there

[@shadybeachproductions]

Pretty gross comment you got here

[@mdoglegend]

@@shadybeachproductions are you talkin to me

[@shadybeachproductions]

@@mdoglegend nah darkside blues

[@byrontownsel7274]

@@shadybeachproductions He's right.

[@thebossdominguez3923]

Special..... SPECIAL THIS IS A MONSTROSITY TO PUT THIS ON THE JOKER'S NAME

[@dirtyd7229]

looks dreadful

[@dopecat15]

looks like AIDS.

[@samhand8270]

Great, more incoherent gender propaganda wearing beloved lores and franchises as money-hungry skin suits. It’s fascinating watching the entire entertainment industry destroy itself from the inside out, imploding into a black hole of woke politics and reboots, where no semblance of the original work is left intact. I’ll be glad when this cultural revolution deconstructs itself out of existence. 🤣

[@cluecrusher]

lol wow

[@TravisHouze]

Nothing about what you just said makes sense

[@pspat101]

Then you’ll die waiting

[@SuperCisMan]

Spot on

[@MatthewJewell360]

Yeah I’d hate to see new filmmakers whose voices haven’t been heard make films that can appeal to the general public by focusing on beloved franchises. It would be SO terrible to challenge people who are stuck in their old-time ideologies… Let’s just have your executive approved, same-as-they’ve-always-been movies. We all know when restrictions are put on the artists, it makes the film BETTER! In a world with people running around in tights shooting lasers, it really would just be “incoherent gender propaganda” to have a -GASP- trans character?!!! But seriously… Let people be creative. Let the film industry change as the world changes. Let art EXIST!

[@spikeybuffalobill6549]

What a joke

[@lokiloki1138]

Cant understand why dc didn't want you using there property's for this clown world wack job ideals sir copyrights hurt when they slap

[@morbiddadbod]

Please give us batgirl instead

[@loki-of-asgard7877]

Batgirl is woke trash too

[@n.montana1858]

🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑🗑

[@nickchristian1590]

Gaaaay