The Perfect First Hot Hatch? Renaultsport Twingo 133 Review

[@waynebelton5445]

A Car not just for the young. I'm 45 and have one of these as a little run about. Mines a MKII 2012 model. Comes packed with kit. Bluetooth, cruise control, air-con. While not very fast in a straight line, nothing much will out corner one of these with some decent rubber on. Mine running Michelin PS3's. I have more fun in the Twingo RS, than I do in my weekend car. Only thing I've added is a Powerflow exhaust with a second muffler to make it burble rather than rasp. The Twingo is cheap to run, and insure. It Reminds me of my old 106 GTI. Now that's a car you should review. Problem is finding a decent one, which I couldn't so bought the Twingo instead.

[@Derpen1234]

Im 21 and own a 2009mk1 and a 2013mk2🙃 the mk1 will eventually become a collectors item as its completly stock with all options and low mileage while the mk2 is modified to the max for daily use but also for the track. I out run clio 172 and 182 on the nurburgering

[@jameslatimer9036]

Get a cup sport in stead I just bought one love I got to put a clutch in it tho great little cars

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

I'm looking at cup one for a new daily. Prices have gone up a bit recently though. About 4.5k for one under 50k miles. I have the standard 1.2 version at the moment and even that is quite fun.

[@Derpen1234]

@@BlatentlyFakeName a guy sold his 2.0 liter rs last month for 7k. it was a ph2 swapped by beanie

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

I'm looking for original cars. I'll have this and my stock Lotus Elise. 2 cars which shouldn't depreciate :)

[@addicted2musictoo]

I bought mine 5 years ago and I love it, perfect when you drive alone most of the time and fun on curvy streets.

[@Andy-pu2iv]

Marvellous! You're getting dangerously close to providing actual consumer advice! (Seriously though, your videos are getting slicker and I'm liking this mini-series).

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Cheers Andy!

[@VarioFelce]

this, the c2 VTS and the suzuki swift sport!

[@Mgoblagulkablong]

and Toyota Yaris TS 1.8

[@QuitMC]

Panda 100 hp 😎

[@archiebrown6407]

And st150

[@jamespatagueule4599]

@@archiebrown6407 not the same category

[@supermotomadness]

This has to be the best review on you tube of this car, well done sir.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks

[@iantownsend500]

I had much fun I my 20s driving about in a Twingo RS Gordini 133. I used to come out the gym & see this same guy in Suzuki Swift sport most days. We’ve have a little race barely breaking the speed limit, honk the horns & go are separate ways good times

[@graemew7001]

I've changed my mind from the E30 you reviewed, if I were 19 again I would have one of these. 2 mates of mine had the Charade GTti's back in the day and they were awesome for back road stuff like the one you're on, rare as hell car nowadays though.

[@CarsofGlasgow]

E30 all the way man! The Twingo is great but the E30 is cool!! PS I have videos of both if you check out my channel Graeme :)

[@claudiushempstead9893]

Always hankerd after a GTTi odd looking car but a pocket rocket of its day.

[@ChrisFEJackson]

From driving my Twingo in such a short time, your review was bang on, on every aspect I experienced so far! Nice one Jay.

[@MylesHSG]

I had a Corolla T-Sport. I had a bit of a love/hate relationship with it. It was fun when you got into "VTEC", but the rpm needed was too high and you couldn't keep the valves lifted after changing gear even at redline. Still 190 bhp from a N/A 1.8l was rather impressive.

[@spainter1985]

Would love to also see what you think of a Suzuki Swift Sport, these 'junior' hot hatches can be brilliant fun on a British B road!

[@sammythewhammy69]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYfdnIqGf8ydd6s There you go 👍

[@ScottZ370]

“City car plus” is a term I shall be stealing, love that

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Feel free :)

[@waltermelonz1487]

I think some people prefer the TCE engine as it's a bit more tuneable and produces a bit more torque as a result. I think there funky little cars, prices are getting seriously affordable too.

[@Jadzwing]

I wish TCE got disc brakes in the rear, unfortunately they don't

[@jonniepotter1194]

What about the Citroen C2 VTS? Great little cars

[@calj2405]

Agreed. Very overlooked.

[@WalkableBuffalo]

Definitely, I've been so tempted to get one since they're quite cheap, enjoy the look of them

[@calj2405]

@@WalkableBuffalo You can't go to wrong with them. The engines are very reliable; just watch for suspension issues (usually top mounts), and rust on door frame and wheel arches. Expect the usual French rattles and plastic though.

[@samvrs]

Jonnie Potter Yh 100% agree

[@TheGabe92]

Thumbs up for the jacket alone. Also Twingo rules.

[@Edrim_Glebe]

There great little cars, I've had mine for 6 years now and 50k. Great fun and pretty cheap to run.

[@MrLackLanda]

I had a E30 316 (carb), E30 318i & E30 320i all 2 doors and they were all absolutely fantastic.

[@xxpug_unicornxx184]

This guy should be on top gear. Very good honest review i have a glacier white cup 133. 5 years later still enjoying it. Most other cars feel drab in comparison.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Cheers Daniel

[@Johnacles]

AFAIK This Twingo 133 actually shares a chassis with the 172/182 brethren, so it's essentially just a less powerful little cliosport, great little thing!

[@samsteresqc929]

Not only that but the engine was a slightly tuned up version of the 1.6 found in the next generation Clio

[@Jadzwing]

@@samsteresqc929 it's K4M engine, it came up in lots of variants, my friend has it in Megane 2 2005, it has 113HP, also same engine from Twingo RS was in Clio 3 GT but it was declared it has 128HP instead of 133, car itself looks sporty but it's much heavier than Twingo and GT versions are rare, but they came up with the best you can get inside including 6 gear manual and navigation, they only missed xenon headlights. Twingo is not so good inside but it's lighter so it's obviously faster, only thing that makes me to look for it not a Clio. :)

[@xrecon18]

The Intro! A normal Twingo goes by and suddenly the Twingo RS makes a grand appearance!

[@lanmastersassistant659]

I had one of these and I must say i liked it, I bought it new and the gordini model cost me £15,500, it was spritely and as you say really quite practical, the downsides were clear though, the rubber steering brushes will be non existent every 20,000 miles. The belts on mine lasted less than 45,000 and you'll catch the kerb every time you park. Before I sold mine I spent £2000 just getting everything right again and in the end I got £4150 they just don't hold value

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Superb review, James! Very much love the scene transition graphics and you seem very balanced and fair about the Twingo's "quirks and features".

[@Snazzydriver]

A friend of mine has just bought the Cup version. Thanks Jay for your review!

[@ChrisFEJackson]

I've just bought a 1 owner 78K metallic blue 59 plate Twingo. My wife laughed until she saw it in the flesh and drove it, we love it. I expected the brakes to be better but have been spoilt with my GTC VXR.

[@chrisbaxter5041]

Fun at low speed is great fun I found that with the Mx5 & MGF not a bad sounding car that twingo

[@ginj4ninj4180]

I went from a Nissan Micra K12 to the RS Clio 200 and love it to bits. only £800 insurance a year at 20, and you could get an okay mileage 197 for under £3k now. i dont think a lot of people realise how cheap they can be

[@zaink7037]

Lol I'm 21 paying £960 for insurance for my mk6 fiesta zetec s 1.6 diesel 🤣. Really hate how location affects quotes.

[@ginj4ninj4180]

@@zaink7037 location and your name can affect quotes like crazy! My friend with a Pakistani second name costs hundreds more a year than it does for me. I live in Scotland, so maybe our insurance is a lot lower. Your car is an insurance group 15, so maybe you'd only be paying a few hundred more for something like the RS Twingo above

[@TeamZSsx]

It's funny when you talk about power levels in cars and it's 133 bhp, back in the day when I got my series 2 RS Escort turbo in 1990 it had the same power and I thought it was really fast. How times change . Great car and review.

[@samsteresqc929]

This does have the Cup chassis, see it has the Cup alloys. but its the full fat so retains the air-con and sliding rear seats

[@jackthehat8593]

@@samsteresqc929 is this your car?

[@samsteresqc929]

Yeah it is

[@jackthehat8593]

@@samsteresqc929 ah ok. I didn't think it even had the cup pack but I am basing that on the face lift Twingo that has a different spoiler as well with the cup pack.

[@TACADO1]

Teamzssx had the same RS seemed like f1 car till I met a cosworth 😂 now a good diesel is faster

[@rajjy1976]

Less than £1k insurance for a 19yr old with mods declared?!? Where do they live?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

In the countryside

[@zaink7037]

Location is a big factor.

[@Thanos.m]

The Cotswolds probably 😂

[@moist.teabag]

@@JayEmmOnCars lupo gti is comparable not the up

[@laurencepiccolo8420]

I've got the Twingo Gordini, basically the same car, provisional insurance was 500, full is 900, and I live just outside London and I'm 21

[@Thanos.m]

Loving this series Jay well done another excellent review

[@ryanmccormick2150]

Really enjoyable video as always and I really like the little twingo 👍

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks Ryan

[@nickvasey915]

Well, I had lots of fun in my Mk.2 Golf GTi 16v in the late 1980s, and this Twingo has around the same BHP. Coolio. :)

[@randomd6r]

The Swift Sport has to be included in this series, but which one? ZC31S or ZC32S?

[@loneokami6560]

ZC33S

[@randomd6r]

@@loneokami6560 is the wrong answer! 🤭 He has since reviewed the ZC32S, which was briefly a direct competitor to the RS Twingo. He should review the ZC33S though, it's a good car if you have a bigger budget and want something modern, with a turbo.

[@MillerCorner]

Some of the flickery SFX make it hard to hear you at times, mate 😬 big fan of the 133, though 👍🏻

[@suffolksettler5106]

thanks for posting this. Been looking at these as alternative for wifes replacement car (but I would also like to borrow as well) and think this would be a lot of fun.

[@jameslatimer9036]

The cup cars are 4mm lower and 40mm wider and suspension is much firmer all round a bit quicker to

[@MichaelSeeds]

My first car with a naturally aspirated impreza you should find one to review. They are super cheap and insurance for me at 19 was under £1k. I always liked it even though it was slow.

[@atripsix8469]

For anybody watching this that wants something little cheaper you can also go for the GT. 1.2 turbo with 100hp standard which doesn't take too much work to get up to over 150

[@TACADO1]

Nice review nice little pocket hatch 🐣

[@rhydianwilliams887]

JM had me going at the start thought he was driving that vauxhall agila😂

[@thesilentgametestr]

I'm looking to get a convertible, but I am also considering one of these as a fun sporty hatchback instead. I have a 1.4 TSI single turbo scirocco, so the twingo has a bit more power and lighter, but it's not as well equipped.. This review is a good one I've seen a couple times.. I'm not sure if it's any sportier or better than what I have. Corolla T sport is the only top spec car I've owned in 19 years of driving and would like another top/sport spec that isn't entry level.

[@coxbright]

It sounds so good!

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

I tested one and found it very un-settled in corners. Also the gear change was horrid and notchy especially 3rd and 5th. Maybe it was a bad example but it only had 45k miles on it. Was this one the same?

[@bertgoedeme1737]

I owned one... Had the lightblue color... Got some laughs but I freakin' loved it!!

[@anthonybelton-ford3124]

Laughs from other people?

[@bertgoedeme1737]

@@anthonybelton-ford3124 yeah, from my mates 😂 it's a toy car! Did you lend it from your 5yo nephew? It is a cookiebox!

[@anthonybelton-ford3124]

@@bertgoedeme1737 lol sod those people! Anyone who thinks small = inferior and large = superior are fools.

[@bertgoedeme1737]

@@anthonybelton-ford3124 yeah once they drove with me, they got it 😁 really miss that little fucker 😙

[@anthonybelton-ford3124]

@@bertgoedeme1737 haha I do fancy one quite a bit. Had a prelude 2.2, accord type R, so essentially its a downgrade but I want something light and nimble

[@paulbrown6554]

I had the Gordini rs version fantastic little car

[@nilcialinasemedotavares4144]

One of last cars without turbo. I love n/a powerfull cars , Sad future all turbo. Old 1.6 16v 190 bhp !!!! N/a !!!!! Or 2.0 i 16v 240 bhp Or new car Toyota gt86 200bhp not bad for n/a car

[@WingItcloud]

I had a GT one at 17 - twas fantastic

[@Derpen1234]

Gt and rs arent even closely comparable, been sitting next to my mum for 10 years in the gt and now im 21 and own a mk1 and mk2 rs and the difference is massively

[@WingItcloud]

@@Derpen1234 noice maybe I'll get a 133 sometime but for when I was 17 the GT was pretty perfect

[@Derpen1234]

@@WingItcloud oh yes the gt is a perfect beginners car with just the right amount of power

[@jackthehat8593]

Great little cars these. My wife has a 13 reg one with the cup pack (suspension, 17" wheels and rear spoiler). Greet fun on back roads, corners really well. Could do with a little more room up front (the seats dont go back far enough for my legs) a bit more power would be nice and a 6th gear (really bad on long runs, took hers to Amsterdam) but for fun they're great. More fun than my M5 on b roads.

[@backseatcovers]

So cool! Had no idea these even existed and now I almost want one! Great and entertaining review as always!

[@samsteresqc929]

I had no idea either, until a colleague recommended me one and I fell in love! Bought one and now I've had it 2 and a half years!

[@backseatcovers]

@@samsteresqc929 Wow, that's great, best of luck with it!

[@timrains5011]

E30 325i mtec coupé in diamond black 1988. Yes please.

[@LaFritePerreGoat]

When you really want a 106 gti or rallye, but like a bit of confort! Hell yeah! If you fancy a rarer thing, the renault wind had this engine in a clio 182 chassis. Its sure heavier but the top goes down like one in a ferrari superamericana.

[@samsteresqc929]

They're also ideally much better equipped than Twingo Issue being they are usually quite a bit more expensive and as you mentioned heavier

[@mrcaboosevg6089]

Just got an insurance quote on this, i don't know how it works but it's basically the same as a Golf GTI to insure but even if you buy a MK5 Golf or even a MK4 you're getting a much better car

[@OibPC]

Im 19, have an i30n. Insurance is 796 for me. 2 Years no claims. Great car to get into if you can afford the car.

[@nissanoo0393]

where do u live?

[@OibPC]

@@nissanoo0393 cheshire, have an m2 now - 1.1K f

[@nissanoo0393]

@@OibPC wish i lived there, im from london 3.5k for any car... i put my friends address which is an hour away from mine, 1.8k for that RS 133 (both black box)

[@JoeMaranophotography]

I owned one for a couple of years and I would some it up as a nicer looking Clio 172 with worse mpg and less power. Flawed driving position much like the 172 but great handling.

[@anthonybelton-ford3124]

What's wrong with driving position?

[@F1reMaker1]

@@anthonybelton-ford3124 its to high

[@F1reMaker1]

@Dean Mitchell I managed to get 32mpg on a longtime run.

[@F1reMaker1]

@Dean Mitchell by a longtime run I mean in one year and yes it is day to day driving. City, Highway, Sideroads and some times pushing it to the limits.

[@JoeMaranophotography]

@Dean Mitchell Yep. I managed 57.9mpg with cruise control in the 172 whereas achieving 40mpg at any time was a challenge in the Twingo. 4500rpm at 70mph doesn't help lol

[@stephenmacdonald2705]

i fancy something like this or a swift sport as a wee toy, anything else i should consider? open to ideas

[@coloneljaffa]

Yaris T Sport is one of the best

[@clicheguevara9917]

ours is at 310.000km , going strong. practically nothing ever went wrong. not the keenest handling, but 10000x more fun and just as cheap as your typical 1.4 Polo/corsa

[@The_Cheques_Offender]

I have a Citroen C2 VTS if you want to review that. ;)

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Yeah would love to. Mail me on [e-mail]

[@nfsdanz]

Hi James, nice review. I was fortunate enough to own the Twingo RS as my first car and I absolutely loved it. I miss it in many respects. I'm guessing (as you didn't mention it) that this one you tried didn't have the Cup Chassis which sharpens up the suspension and lowers the ride height further?

[@jackthehat8593]

The fact this car has air con and separate rear seats and non cup rear spoiler makes me thing it isn't a cup chassis, or having the cup pack.

[@nfsdanz]

@@jackthehat8593 Yeah, it seems unlikely.

[@jackthehat8593]

@@nfsdanz I could be wrong mind. My wife's has the cup pack. The colour of the rear suspension can indicate whether it has a cup pack or not.

[@StephenButlerOne]

Still gonna cost a kid a few quid to insure. I do like it though. I still don't think there is anything more fun than a mk1/1.5 ka. A bit girly, ill admit, but fun and insurance is group one or 2. and you can pick one up for 100-400 quick. That makes it a great year one car, to dink, curb and ditch.

[@mindspinn311]

The Corvette jacket. Wow 😂 👍🏻

[@nicoroehr]

Great review

[@Joe-eg7ml]

Mine was a b15 Sentra SE-R Spec V.

[@mr.aleximer]

What about that 1.6 engine reliability and common issues with Twingo Sport?

[@rubenvalente]

It's pretty bulletproof this car, no common problems.

[@nilcialinasemedotavares4144]

For first car is a cool car to have

[@smattgoss]

Best looking version rs twingo. But needs the scorpion exhaust

[@jameslatimer9036]

Can you do vtr c2 please cheers

[@googlereviewer1944]

What's the most economical / cheap to tax car that isn't a complete borefest?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

What budget?

[@googlereviewer1944]

@@JayEmmOnCars In my case, maybe £3-5k. Cheaper the better as I'm trying to save money and only do about 5,000 miles a year but I don't want something super dull like a Polo or Fiesta :-)

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Twingo is a good shout, mx5 is always good too, Toyota Celica

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

I have the standard 75hp version of this car as a daily "banger" and it's still quite fun imo. It's similar to this, except you can drive it everywhere at 100% throttle and vmax it on the motorway.

[@StuK323]

Would happily swap my MK3 clio TCE for one of these

[@padraic5316]

Nearly bought one of these as my second car but chose a Swift Sport instead, would still have one of these tho

[@1970boggy]

Not a fan of French cars however that’s quite a nice little steed. Nice review James 👌👍

[@james-mma1315]

If anyone has one is this a car suitable for my first car? Will it be a safe car to start with?

[@joshdunbar5098]

What would this be like for a 17 year old to insure?

[@boostedchris6120]

Prices vary for everyone

[@inter7373]

No, Buy a panda 100hp instead and you’ll never regret it

[@Joe-qs9fw]

Rq7 oh hi James may😂

[@Joe-qs9fw]

How's The fuck life? It’s not supposed to be

[@pommycalva]

Rq7 yes I have one o love it

[@bomboclaaatmang]

Postman Pat😂car

[@sidsod1616]

Hardly a babe magnet when your a teenager. 😂😂

[@TProfileG]

the boot thing has been in honda jazz, ford fusion, toyota yaris's for years

[@jameslatimer9036]

You can pick up a cup SPORT for 4k to 5k and a really nice low mileage car for 6 to 7k

[@boostedchris6120]

Renault never made the twingo cup SPORT, Renault only made rs133 cup or full fat including optional extra’s from factory, not sure were you’re finding that price for a low mileage twingo rs133 as they’re around 5.5k and less for a good condition with low mileage

[@mnshp7548]

75 horse power is fun, there is no reason why you can have fun in a little 3 cylinder, 130 is just insane to a 18 year old because it is quite quick and commonly you'll never need the full 130 bhp

[@memaxi1297]

Nice video

[@antj29]

Suzuki swift sport trumps it in every possible way, way more kit, quicker, more agile and a 100% bomb proof, I’ve seen a customer at ring over rev a rental at 10500rpm thanks to a miss shift and not a single issue when stripped down, plus lower insurance than twingo

[@jackthehat8593]

What year Swift?

[@antj29]

Mk2 so 2012 onwards ‘the early ones were great too but lack of 6 speed box hurt them a little as a long distance car . I delivered most of Rent4ring’s RhD cars and they are surprisingly good on the long distance and handle great, for a traditional warm hatch they make so much sense. Xenon, folding mirrors, cruise , climate, keyless entry and on the later ones sat nav they never had any options to tick . Can even get a 4 door if you have to .

[@jackthehat8593]

@@antj29 sound a decent car in the grand scheme of things then.

[@TheIncridibleOne]

If you put a turbo into, it will be awesome!

[@CarsofGlasgow]

great wee cars

[@orthodoxyissigma1734]

Is this rear or front engine?

[@spoonboi4781]

Both

[@Jadzwing]

Front, Twingo 3 had it in the rear

[@BlatentlyFakeName]

They don't make an RS of the mk3. Only eco versions.

[@boostedchris6120]

@@Jadzwing This is the twingo 2rs phase 1, twingo 2rs phase 2 has front. Renault never created the twingo 3 rs as it doesn’t exist for the twingo 3rs

[@Jadzwing]

@@boostedchris6120 never said they did, rear engined Twingo 3 was marked as GT, also don't know why you tell me about phases in Twingo 2 RS since no matter what phase it its engine is still in front

[@robinmarples5198]

On a tinny back road it is as quick as my megane rs 265 cup I can tell you

[@simorx580]

Damn, i wish they were that cheap. Twingo rs (150k miles) in slovakia is 4500€ +set of all tires that i have to buy 😔

[@pedrosilva4242]

I have one, twingo rs red bull, it's a plazer to drive one

[@NobodyI991]

I owned a MK3 Clio with the k4m but should have got the twingo. My Hyundai Getz 1.6 has been a better car as well as more fun. I've embarrassed many people in the getz 🤔😁

[@davidmelli84]

Like Swift Sport!!

[@sammythewhammy69]

Nice

[@lateralg3169]

Jay, always enjoy your presentations but,mate, you're British are you? not mid Atlantic. how many times do you say liddle?! T`s palT`s LITTLE.

[@hhuodod2209]

Good one is now 6 k

[@tifthetif6567]

The era of fun cars is over, hothaches became super cars and evrething else is going ev.

[@MrZekToR]

Why should youngsters have all the fun?

[@carcontrolcommitment]

mmm mudflaps, nice!

[@Jabber-ig3iw]

First hot hatch? Renault 5 GT Turbo, H reg bought in ‘95, sold in ‘99, god I miss that car.

[@laney6112]

suzuki swift sports the better option imho

[@jameslatimer1432]

Renault rs 10 plate swingo good condition contact me thanks Cup model air con traction control switch on or off needs seat repair only some history red

[@dogeycj6189]

Talking about how manageable the car is whilst grasping for breathe in between sentences

[@JayEmmOnCars]

That's hayfever for you

[@dogeycj6189]

JayEmm on Cars I rate that 😂

[@TProfileG]

Abarth is miles better, but the twingo is the bargain.

[@superpolak621]

Je reve d en acheter une bientot en rs cup

[@CarsofGlasgow]

Great video as always! The twingo rs is definitely a fun wee car! My friend has a red twingo RS too and here is a link to my video on his if you would like to see it? kzbin.info/www/bejne/baa2gYCGnbJmrtU

[@zzhughesd]

No it's poop poo poo 💩 . I'm a car trader. It's plastic drab

[@Thanos.m]

I mean you're missing the point here it's cheap small fun little car and most young people looking for something like that will overlook the cheap plastic interor

[@zzhughesd]

​ Christopher Glover Yes here is me: ( as a trader knowing what's what and wanting a generation 1 Twingo import from France myself some 15 years back )..... FORD's are FUN and outdrive everything French, are more solid and can be fixed and feel STURDY ( to a point ); which a Clio cum Twingo cannot - The Twingo literally looks better and is rarer and that ends there. As a car, crappy.

[@zzhughesd]

Yes here is me: ( as a trader knowing what's what and wanting a generation 1 Twingo import from France myself some 15 years back )..... FORD's are FUN and outdrive everything French, are more solid and can be fixed and feel STURDY ( to a point ); which a Clio cum Twingo cannot - The Twingo literally looks better and is rarer and that ends there. As a car, crappy. @@Thanos.m ​Yes here is me: ( as a trader knowing what's what and wanting a generation 1 Twingo import from France myself some 15 years back )..... FORD's are FUN and outdrive everything French, are more solid and can be fixed and feel STURDY ( to a point ); which a Clio cum Twingo cannot - The Twingo literally looks better and is rarer and that ends there. As a car, crappy.

[@Thanos.m]

And that's why I bought myself as my first car a Rover instead of a small crappy because even being young I wanted something nice and here in the UK for just very little money I got a 2 litre fully loaded 45

[@samsteresqc929]

What you choose over the Twingo then? An ST150?

[@scottchampion3511]

I hate ALL Renault cars

[@jackthehat8593]

Amazing comment, really useful.

[@scottchampion3511]

@@jackthehat8593 Thanks! Really useful reply too

[@jackthehat8593]

@@scottchampion3511 any time. If that's your fiesta in your thumb nail then i am afraid that you're in no place to pass negative comments about any car really.

[@scottchampion3511]

Jack The Hat It is indeed and whys that?

[@jackthehat8593]

@@scottchampion3511 if you need to ask then I am afraid anything that I say will not be well received.