The PERFECT Van Halen Brown Sound ???

[@Neogeofanatic]

ENGLISH : I tried my best to have the Brown Sound with pedals, sometimes with specially dedicated ones like the Wampler Pinnacle Disrtortion or with various Marshall type pedals, I was quite close but not enough in my taste. Then I took some days to make the real deal with my Fractal Axe FX2 : the exact same amp, with all the physical stuff involved that Eddie did in 78 (Variac, boosted EQ, etc) from scratch. I also ordered a very close pickup of the original, the Heat Crusher from SP Custom. It replicates exactly all the nuances of the original PAF that was modified by Ed. Here is the result, what do you think about it? No mix, no mastering. FRANCAIS : J'ai essayé depuis quelques semaines de reproduire le Borwn Sound légendraire avec des pédales, j'étais assez proche avec certaines références spécialement conçues pour comme la Wampler Pinnacle Distortion, sans toutefois donner vraiment dans le mille. Je me suis donc attelé à réaliser un patch sur mon Fractal Exa FX2 à partir du matos originel, Marshall gonflé à bloc avec Variac, EQ boostée, et même un clone du micro original avec le Heat Crusher de SP Custom, qui réplique à l'identique la dynamique et l'ouverture du PAF modifié d'Eddie. Voilà la résultat, sans mix ni mastering, qu'en dites-vous? :)

[@fabrock22]

NeoGeofanatic Ça sonne !! gg

[@Neogeofanatic]

merci je pense aussi !!

[@Schnitzengruben]

NeoGeofanatic Really well done! Are you sharing your AFX settings somewhere?

[@Neogeofanatic]

I surely will in the next days, just some adjustments to do ;)

[@Mephiles38]

GG Nono ! Y'a des chances pour que tu le fasses sur Bias FX ? :D

[@donsmith5385]

It may sound perfect on your end but it sounds very thin when listening through you tube

[@MichaelLeeMetalProject]

Sounds spot on like Eddie Van Halen, maybe just a lil better. Great work!!

[@Neogeofanatic]

fuck thank you bro Oo

[@DigiPal]

The problem, first, is that many of you guys trying to find the "brown sound" seems to not know the basics about picking: on an acoustic guitar, picking in different angles (but at the same place) gives different sounds (imagine if you pick at different places...). Transpose this basic knowledge to an electric guitar, and you'll find that EVH sound not just comes from amps and stomps, but, first, from his picking (Jammie's crying is a good exemple; muffle strings in a particular way; many on YT seems to not catch that). Then, you have to know that Ted Templeman and his technician rearranged tracks, got the equalizer added, bounced tracks to add effects on those tracks, mixed them, and got that particular sound. Oh, and I forgot to mentioned that he had played with stainless steel picks from time to time... Stainless steel picks gives a particular sound when used, so, this is another trick EVH used to get his particular sound. Trying to find the "brown sound" means nothing to me. Just learn to play the best as you can when it comes to play some VH older stuff, and you'll sound way much better, imho...!

[@bestboy897]

perfect tone man

[@roimodeste]

C'est tres proche sauf pour la reverb qui est moins présente et moins" chaude"ou naturelle...peut être un poil de gain en trop ou des harmoniques trop faciles et parfaites (VH etait un peu plus broullions et "live" lol). Pour le jeux rien à dire c'est magique !

[@antioche6276]

honnêtement, tu m'as appris à aimer Van Halen. Honestly, you're the only one who's made me love Van Halen.

[@andrewlaw5628]

Sorry, rhis is NOT A GOOD EVH Tone Clone

[@ivorharden]

He used a super distortion as well as PAF pickups on VH1

[@augustegallais9606]

Le retour du Fractal ;) C'est vraiment génial !! ;)

[@arbutuswatcher]

Not too shabby. Eddie would be proud.

[@djet0508]

BRAVO !!!! Tout simplement

[@bigguns1965]

Sounds pretty good, nice playing too! \m/

[@maximeberenger6211]

son parfait magnifique !🤘

[@pearlyjb]

C’te festival d’harmoniques 😱 je vais tenter un Judgebucker pour ma strat ash HSS, histoire de sortir un peu des habituels pearly gates ou TB4 justement. Hope it’ll tasty 🤘🔥🎸😉

[@andrewdenine1685]

You gotta learn to tune that b string down first bud

[@madmade6877]

As well as no swing all chop on I'm the one..and is ya ask for it when ya headline your bid as THE PERFECT BROWN SOUND

[@christineayres5339]

Spot on perfect tone

[@JiPi71]

Excellent Nono !! j'ai l'impression qu'il manque juste un petit chouillat de basses mais je dois certainement me tromper..a l'occasion si tu peux partager le patch ...

[@User44453]

Ouaip, je le veux bien aussi ^^

[@mandarin7728]

Je crois que pour se rapprocher encore plus il faut devenir Eddie. Bien joué, Nono!

[@bricebeaudoin4693]

ha oui c’est même du 100 % là Nono 👏👏👏👏

[@razorstyle]

Vraiment bon le son et la démo ca envoit grave!!! C'est vraiment très proche du son de l'album. En retant dans de l'analogique, les 3 "meilleures" disto brown sound en pédale sont la wampler pinnacle, la cmat mods brownie, et la mad professor "1" qui a l'air un poil au dessus d'après ce que j'ai pu entendre(sur youtube...)

[@xboxxbox1000]

Salut Nono 😊 Franchement chapeau bas ! Le son est vraiment fidèle à l'album. Pour moi je trouve qu'il manque encore de la réverb genre tu pousses un peu plus le volume de la reverb pour quelle soit mise plus en avant. À la fin de tes accords il manque le release de la reverb Mais si non trop cool 👍

[@lorryriff6613]

Oh man, you almost made me cry ! You nailed it 100%, and kicked some serious ass !!! Simply, unbelievable ! Pour revenir au français, je retire toutes mes réticences de l'autre fois........, c'est à tomber par terre. Putain..... y a de quoi être fier ! Si un jour tu fais Mean Street comme ça, je revends ma Kramer et me mets au triangle ! Allez, je me le re-regarde...

[@adeneis]

Superbe son Nono. Van Halen's Brooown sound!!!

[@christophelacombe9877]

Bonsoir Nono une vidéo qui me met sur le C.. , mais hélas tu explique pas comment avoir ce son , le Brown Sound ; Fais tu parfois des essais sur le Marshall Code , pourquoi cette question car je pense qu'il possede du potentiel pour avoir des sons qui se rapprochent des albums . Mais hélas suis une buze pour rechercher des sons , si tu pouvais aider les gens comme moi merci.

[@FenrirNordLegend]

Oh ... ça rend étrange en mi standard, pas l'habitude Ah voir avec une chanson dans la bonne tonalité pour avoir un repère x)

[@DigiPal]

VH joue un demi ton plus bas, de là, à la base, le son VH. Il jouait, en plus, sur une guitare au diapason plus court, lors des enregistrements de ses premiers albums (quand il n'utilisait pas de vibrato; c'était sa copie Ibanez Destroyer d'une Gibson Explorer), donc, encore ici, de là son son unique. Sans compter sa technique d'utilisation du plectre, sans oublier qu'il a joué avec des plectres en acier inoxydable lors de certains enregistrements. En plus que Templeman et son technicien ont doublé des pistes, ajoutés des effets, pour remixer tout ça, faut avoir du temps à perdre pour essayer de reproduire ça. D'ailleurs, ici, faut au moins savoir jouer au minimum comme il le faut les parties d'EVH avant d'essayer de trouver le son parfait de ce dernier, n'est-ce-pas...?

[@martialallart]

parfaitement reproduit , bravo nono

[@Neogeofanatic]

merci poto Martial !!! :)

[@SimonBorro]

Carrément !

[@RodrigoRockChannel]

Sounds great, but I feel it needs a bit more delay ... on VH 1 the delay was really present.

[@josephclauxcolmenarez2638]

Yeahh. You Rock

[@fuzzle1392]

bon Nono!! tu peut te vanter encore une fois de m avoir atomiser la tronche !!! pour moi le son est d enfer!!!!!.. il y a un vieux adage qui dit que ..." quand le sage lève la main et montre la lune... l abrutit ne voit que le doigt" ben je veux bien passer pour un sombre crétin mais je peux pas m empêcher de bloquer sur ta main gauche ..ouf!!! trop fort!!bravo nono!! t es un diablotin !!!lol

[@rastadarrin]

Great VH Brown tone!!! Share the patch please.......You & the AxeFx2 are awesome!!!

[@Neogeofanatic]

you have an Axe FX2? gimme your mail in pm

[@rastadarrin]

Yes I have one.......pm sent!

[@MacPro8CoreMan]

It is a bit thin through KZbin. Also he used some crazy tunings that I do not thing you quite have yet.

[@SimonBorro]

Bien joué ;) Je sais pas si tu as vu la dernière de Jacob Deraps, avec du vrai matos, pour moi celui qui s'en approche le plus.

[@AntonStratocaster]

Flipante!!!💪

[@catch_this_mirage6564]

Le son est quasi parfait mais manque peut être un peu de chaleur (reverb ? crunch ? ). Autrement, bravo pour cet interprétation survoltée de I'am the one 🤓🤘

[@nicolaslafalize911]

T'es vraiment un génie 😃

[@Neogeofanatic]

Non !! ^^ c'était méthodique pour ce patch :p

[@sacceur6392]

Je pense qu'il fait une fixette sur Van Halen !

[@thierrydcapel]

dans le mille!

[@Neogeofanatic]

ha putain merci!!!!!!!!!!

[@rastadarrin]

I forgot to ask.....which firmware is your AxeFx2 on??? Thanks!

[@jeanpat8946]

C 'est boooooooon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kvapa94]

great sound :)

[@Aenilbdr]

Ahhhhh Evh et Nono.. Le grand amour 😏!

[@roimodeste]

J aimerai bien que tu t'attaque à du Criss Oliva(savatage) ou du Vito Bratta(white lion)...bon courage pour approcher le son de Criss Oliva(rip) micros benedetti, médiators aciers, double boss sd1 réglées dans le clean d'un vieux Laney plus beaucoup d'autres choses .

[@shakolyas5972]

[@diddenoumea]

Tu vend pas cette guitare?🙏

[@mang3139]

Awesome

[@DANTHETUBEMAN]

pickup sounds to vertical :) cool sounds

[@rastadarrin]

What Firmware is your AxeFx2 on ???

[@pfcounterpoint583]

euh???... c'est pas le son de Alphonse brown,,, sur i'm the one ça le fait grave- c'est le brown parfait !!!

[@RookiesdelBillar]

Acojonante!!!! LOL!! La leche. Yo lo veo perfecto nose.....XD!

[@olivierbattaglini5169]

L'axe fx est bien supérieur a Positive Grid je pense quand meme :')

[@Neogeofanatic]

avec le nouveau firmware, oui :)

[@kyledrumm7093]

Just can’t quite get there with the modelers.

[@unfrancais260]

Eddie Van Halen 2.0 (Je parle de toi Nono)

[@MetalDiamondtake]

Tu devrais regarder la vidéo de Jacob Deraps il a le son parfait ! :)

[@Colateral29]

Nicolas Boyer je confirme ! Pour moi Jacob est celui qui réplique le son d'Eddie à la perfection.

[@mang3139]

So this is with the Fractal? And who is on vocals? Is that Roth?

[@benjaminwoodrowmusic6070]

The backing track is pitched higher by the sounds of it

[@laralara2554]

nice

[@ronflory3132]

I thought it was eddie playing!

[@wolfgang4136]

Needs more reverb. But close👍👍

[@blacktopfender485]

Ouais c'est la bonne :)

[@BillyKidJoe1]

A lot of the tone comes from that extra half step down I noticed you're playing in standard. You're not giving yourself a fair chance till you do great playing.

[@fredericbercher6433]

👍

[@davidschudy4986]

Et ce son à juste.......40 ans......

[@carmine83136]

Je trouve qu'il manque d'un peu de basse, mais sinon on le sent, il est là !

[@Neogeofanatic]

réécoute l'original, jte jure j'ai passé des heures à ça ;)

[@MrPissed1]

Need to run a phase and your mix is way too dry. Need piles of plate reverb and a tiny bit of delay

[@roimodeste]

pardon micros bartolini et non benedetti pour Oliva

[@robcartaxo9128]

I would've enjoyed that more, had you tuned your guitar, first...

[@madmade6877]

Good but not great .theres a kid that has it down..il tag him .this kids has swing, brown found down mastered..eghh we cant all have it..btw tune and ya cant leave out notes lol.also no swing on I'm the one .chop chop

[@andrewkadar]

Nope

[@PDXguitarfreak]

I'm with you. I love this guy's playing, and I thought the tone sounded great in general, but I've never heard anyone get it 100%. I'm sure it would have helped had he dialed in the proper effects too. Regardless, we can all strive to sound like the king EVH, but unfortunately we will never have the most important component - his fingers :)

[@giftofguilt278]

Trop de gain dans l'intro non ?

[@MrJonken70]

You will never get the true "Runnin' with devil" -sound on a basswood body guitar. You'll need a tighter, snappier bodywood sound; like; ash or alder. This is the fundamental basic of creating old school the Brown sound. The EVH guitar played on this clip; is only good for creating the modern EVH-sound. -NOT the "Brown sound". It's a pretty common thing confusing the "Brown sound Eddie" with the "modern Eddie". Just because it's stamped "EVH" doen't necessarly make it right man..... If You take advide: Try theese 3 things: - A hard northern (bat) ash body guitar (old school fender) -with a maple neck -and the Seymour Duncan '78 bridge humbucker (Floyd optinal). - A cable - A Bray amp. And You're done!

[@DigiPal]

Btw, he recorded most of the rhythm parts with his Ibanez Destroyer copy of a Gibson Explorer. It's a short scale guitar, tuned half note down, strings are slack, and supposedly playing with stainless steel plectrums from time to time. Start with that, and it will get near the EVH sound.

[@sniperforce34]

Eddie VanHalen is a great musician, but his playing today is so abstract that I lost interest, he in my opinion lost his melodical abilities to make great feet work as he did back in the early 80's to early 90's, his tones are warm but they are not what I call a brown sound, but listening to you play them, they are extremely close and good work, keep Rawkin dude!!!

[@Neogeofanatic]

thanks so much bro !!! Well everyone evolves, in a good or bad way, depending on the ear that listens :) I'm glad that he's still alive, legends tend to die so much those last months.....

[@sniperforce34]

NeoGeofanatic I agree, I've seen and heard many great musicians evolve to higher levels and some get into dry spells that they never return or sound the way they used too, I've been thrue lots of them myself as a working musician, can tell you how many times while being on stage or even practice that I have sounded off balance and even the greats are no exception to the rules, I still like Eddie, he took fretwork to the next level when I was a teen just starting out, I still like his music, but when there last recent album with diamond Dave came out, that wasn't a good sound he came out with.

[@Neogeofanatic]

I see what you mean, I haven't listened to it still ^^

[@sniperforce34]

NeoGeofanatic yeh not his best, lol, but people really don't look at it from sides like you or I do, because what we do is an art and talent that are in different levels, he was recognized by his talents back in the yes of the L.A. music seen, now we KZbin here, lol, I'm seeing so many great musicians in here doing crazy great work, just like you, I watch a lot of your work on here and see that you definitely make your vocation a vaction when you play, you don't see that to much anymore because the era of the guitarist is in ways slowly disappearing and technology is taking over..

[@laurentfargues8113]

Euh, tu as un problème d’accordage je pense ;)

[@Neogeofanatic]

absolument pas

[@laurentfargues8113]

@@Neogeofanatic Ah bon, je vais réécouter avec une meilleure oreille alors ;) En tout cas le son est excellent

[@pjnightingale4423]

No

[@lorenzoviganegomusic]

Very very far man, sorry but is true