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The Performance Drop of CS2

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MrMaxim

MrMaxim

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@ChupetaDeBaleio
@ChupetaDeBaleio 5 ай бұрын
I think you missed an opportunity to compare older versions of CS2 to current CS2, so we could see how much fps we've lost since
@evankim2406
@evankim2406 5 ай бұрын
What older versions? I'm pretty sure there is no way to access those versions, but I might be wrong.
@tt_fit
@tt_fit 5 ай бұрын
Yup this.. I’ve lost more fps with every update… I didn’t even know that was possible until cs2 lmfao 🤡🤦🏽‍♂️
@spinzo
@spinzo 5 ай бұрын
well thour test it and these are the results: Avg. FPS: June 2023: 440 FPS August 2024: 368 FPS (16.36% decrease) 1% FPS: June 2023: 233 FPS August 2024: 233 FPS
@amallica
@amallica 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I actually came in this video expecting the CS 2 original versus CS 2 current comparison but yeah, I understand you can’t actually test that…..
@henrym5908
@henrym5908 5 ай бұрын
@@spinzo I feel like somewhere around 2020-2022 CSGO had the best performance overall, maybe the same as 2023. it does seem like this last version runs worse than it should.
@Lomni
@Lomni 5 ай бұрын
It's incredible, you can go play battlefield 2042 and have higher FPS with more stuff going on than in a 5v5 CS2 match.
@rsho3472
@rsho3472 5 ай бұрын
CS2 has no reason to run the way it does, it looks the same as titalfall 2 yet it runs 30 times worst, Titanfall 2 with a million effect, gian mechs and more players. it's stupid
@Bobthebuilder2235
@Bobthebuilder2235 5 ай бұрын
wow sell said! So true man
@varsik289
@varsik289 5 ай бұрын
But bf2042 has much higher system requirements so it cancels out
@Bobthebuilder2235
@Bobthebuilder2235 5 ай бұрын
@@varsik289 I’m going to cancel you out
@enescsgo
@enescsgo 5 ай бұрын
Wow i am not alone with same thought. I play bf1-4 best setting 1080p. But 1024x768 low settings cs 170fps avg 4060
@gigachadkartik
@gigachadkartik 5 ай бұрын
This entire video was nothing burger
@leeroynewman
@leeroynewman 5 ай бұрын
when cs2 came out, i ran the game at 200 fps, now it runs at 120-150...
@gameison4813
@gameison4813 5 ай бұрын
my pc is like -100 or worse too!
@commanderguyonyt0123
@commanderguyonyt0123 5 ай бұрын
The problem with fps as a metric is it's rate of growth. FPS basically grow exponantially fast, 10 fps more seems like nothing if your base fps is 500, but world changing if your base fps are 15 (500 -> 510 is not as big as a jump as 15 -> 25). In game dev, frame time is usually used, which more accuratly describes performance differences and would in this case show a much more clearer picture for the differences in stability. I think from these benchmarks the downgrade in stability from csgo to cs2 would be linear to the decreased fps.
@zezanje1
@zezanje1 5 ай бұрын
ye the cs2's "stability" is pretty misleading considering that you just aren't able to run the game at more fps, with lower highs ofc you will get a more stable looking graph.. the point is that for the average player, and especially someone who just played cs and nothing else, being able to run the game on 200+fps on a 500 dollar pc from 2015 to having to buy a 1000+ dollar pc now in 2024 for a worse experience just isn't worth it. one thing riot understdood really well is that performance is key. both valorant and league could look much better but then they alienate millions of players. league is notoriously played by people with horrible pcs. i know people who have been playing league their entire life because its the only multiplayers game they could run on their pc. the same goes for valorant when compared to other fps that require obnoxiously expensive setups for the fun they provide. that is why riot stays on top and it wouldn't be a surprise to see valorant eventually surpass cs and become the new king of fps as the time goes on.
@Flashv28
@Flashv28 5 ай бұрын
3:15 has no business being this slick
@MrMaxim
@MrMaxim 5 ай бұрын
I don't think you realize how much this means to me when people notice these smaller details in my videos!
@StiekemeHenk
@StiekemeHenk 5 ай бұрын
💖
@LeventK
@LeventK 5 ай бұрын
​@@MrMaxim it must've been a nightmare
@MrMaxim
@MrMaxim 5 ай бұрын
First try actually I'm like a robot with these paths ​@@LeventK
@FonikosGazmas
@FonikosGazmas 5 ай бұрын
​@@MrMaxim Now thats what I call a godly transition
@fkzpc
@fkzpc 5 ай бұрын
frames per second are not as important as frametime consistency
@punisheddogo2527
@punisheddogo2527 5 ай бұрын
it is but as long as you get frames 60+ i agree that frametime consistency is much more important
@nutshell3417
@nutshell3417 5 ай бұрын
High frame time means your 1% is pretty high meaning your fps is stable
@fregatta9243
@fregatta9243 5 ай бұрын
i mean cs has a horrendous input delay when your fps is low..
@hillybankok
@hillybankok 5 ай бұрын
@@fregatta9243 thats what i am experiencing right now at 60fps, although i think i have gotten used to it
@aj9485
@aj9485 5 ай бұрын
@@fregatta9243 its better to avoid such a situations, because it is nothing fun playing like that.
@Rokiishi
@Rokiishi 5 ай бұрын
The issue I have is that I can't even run it smoothly on a 4060ti, r7 5800x & 32gb ram. Fair the game will drop in performance but not even being able to have 300+ 99% of the time is crazy for a game like cs2 in my opinion, the optimization is just terrible.
@Creepus_Explodus
@Creepus_Explodus 5 ай бұрын
@@milkkolaj I was getting a smooth 144FPS at 1440p with my 6800XT, but using AMDVLK *or* enabling vsync is a must. RADV stutters a lot for some reason, all of that stutter is gone with AMDVLK. Arch should have AMDVLK somewhere in the AUR I think, and it's officially packaged by AMD for Debian/Ubuntu.
@_fr4mes743
@_fr4mes743 4 ай бұрын
@@milkkolaj Any updates on the VLK?
@snrgel5091
@snrgel5091 5 ай бұрын
If cs2 has better visuals, but the majority of the playerbase cant use them, because of performance issues, there is no reason to have them
@thing4826
@thing4826 5 ай бұрын
I really don't buy that. You aren't even expected to have a graphics card from the past 8 years to run the game. If you can't run the game, maybe don't expect the thing you bought 12 years ago to do a great job.
@varsik289
@varsik289 5 ай бұрын
​@@thing4826 You forget that the game was designed to get high FPS easily also that upgrading pc is much more expensive...
@thing4826
@thing4826 5 ай бұрын
@@varsik289 I don't think I really get what you are saying? If the game was designed to get high FPS easily isn't that a good thing? Also of course upgrading your PC will get expensive if you are trying to buy top of the line stuff, which is why you can buy things from say six years ago and still run the game fine?
@suntzu6122
@suntzu6122 5 ай бұрын
​@@thing4826yea maybe if the netcode was better, too. In csgo i didnt "need" a fxcking fiber connection
@mohdrafey4173
@mohdrafey4173 5 ай бұрын
Also when the visual upgrade is not much of a leap, they are still using assets from left4dead1. They is no ray tracing no fog effects no sunrays/tindal effect textures are same as go and they are still using cubemaps for reflection and no volumetric clouds. The only thing they did improve are lighting in general and shaders. You can achieve the same look of CS2 by installing some filter mods in csgo and get very close results.
@branislavmlynka5357
@branislavmlynka5357 5 ай бұрын
CS2 feels like its still beta.......
@isabelle5089
@isabelle5089 5 ай бұрын
it is
@yungkerdis
@yungkerdis 4 ай бұрын
comparing a 3% fps difference over 10 years of csgo updates vs the ~30%+ reduction in performance from 12 months of cs2 updates is absurd, I hope you know this
@BaxxyNut
@BaxxyNut 5 ай бұрын
Recently I've been having these really weird jitter stutters. No problem with my stuff, I don't rubberband or anything, but all enemies/allies jitter around for a minute. Everybody I've talked to is having the same issue currently. Also, they NEED to rework smokes and mollies. They frame drop SO hard for no reason.
@maxzett
@maxzett 5 ай бұрын
Yep. 1 smoke = - 100fps xD
@thomaskutty1440
@thomaskutty1440 5 ай бұрын
Do you have G sync, vsync and reflex on?
@BaxxyNut
@BaxxyNut 5 ай бұрын
@@thomaskutty1440 no, but I'm not experiencing any screen tearing
@thomaskutty1440
@thomaskutty1440 5 ай бұрын
@@BaxxyNut I couldnt recognise screen tearing when it happened to me but turning all these on helped a lot.
@BaxxyNut
@BaxxyNut 5 ай бұрын
@@thomaskutty1440 I'll attempt it. It could just be a corrupted file that doesn't pop up with verifying files. It happens sometimes
@edistefi
@edistefi 5 ай бұрын
I have 5800x and rtx 3070, csgo max settings mirage avg 500-600 fps, while cs2 barely runs 240 with low settings. This impacted me a lot...
@TheSodingen627
@TheSodingen627 5 ай бұрын
how do i get almost the same fps in cs2 with a worse gpu? and mid to high graphics
@G0A7
@G0A7 5 ай бұрын
​@@TheSodingen627Mid to high > max settings
@kipchickensout
@kipchickensout 5 ай бұрын
same btw, with 5600x and 3070
@TheSodingen627
@TheSodingen627 5 ай бұрын
@@kipchickensouti have 5700x and rx6650xt perfect for 1080p
@ICECOLD_SEAL
@ICECOLD_SEAL 5 ай бұрын
Same, here, Aincent in T-spawn water... run around and look at water, it is 90 fps :O I have a 5900x and 3070
@XtremeSteelGaming
@XtremeSteelGaming 5 ай бұрын
I personally was playing CSGO at 150-250 fps with minimal fps drops, but now with CS2 I get 10-80fps with huge fps drops and freezes. The fact that I can't play CS now makes me hate it. Nothing more. I miss playing CS.
@mexicaninjafredfred
@mexicaninjafredfred 5 ай бұрын
Same here started a month or 2 ago I had 110 fps then it just dropped and I can't get over 60 its unplayable
@RachidWasTaken
@RachidWasTaken 5 ай бұрын
Not being able to play your favorite game because of the lack of a GPU hurts
@maxzett
@maxzett 5 ай бұрын
The game sux. Don't be sad you can't play it
@Maxsvel1337
@Maxsvel1337 5 ай бұрын
Not my favorite game anymore
@mohdrafey4173
@mohdrafey4173 5 ай бұрын
- No volumetric clouds - No raytraced lights - No real time global illumination - No raytraced reflection - almost all maps are just ports from CSGO - Assets dating back to half life 2 - Textures dating back to left 4 dead 2 - 30% content of what CSGO had at its end - still uses prebaked lighting. Saying this game has better graphics is criminal.
@ropej00
@ropej00 5 ай бұрын
Battlefield 1 looks miles better compared to cs2 and it has larger maps and still somehow I get more fps from bf1 on higher settings than cs2 on lowest???
@trueeurt3529
@trueeurt3529 5 ай бұрын
cs2 not having multicore thread rendering and dlss 3 support is a big L cuz most modern games have support for both options and cs2 doesn't yet or might not ever
@datmanz5890
@datmanz5890 5 ай бұрын
this, yet this jobless youtuber says it's your gpu brokie! Def not the crap optimization the devs force down our throats.
@SaintGGod
@SaintGGod 5 ай бұрын
BF2042 with 128 players runs better too lmao
@isabelle5089
@isabelle5089 5 ай бұрын
@@datmanz5890 what can you expect about someone who promotes gambling and potentially to children
@enescsgo
@enescsgo 5 ай бұрын
I have same thoguht. Nice im not alone
@themastermatt734
@themastermatt734 5 ай бұрын
Bro you have to benchmark while playing on a server,cs2 instability comes in handling duels and utilities….
@pedrolycus
@pedrolycus 5 ай бұрын
Performance is not a main reason I stopped playing at all. It's the subtick quality, the mini stutters, peeker's advantage, economy on 13 rounds format and more. I understand that valve plans on evolving the game but for now the game does not feel good to play. It's really sad.
@evankim2406
@evankim2406 5 ай бұрын
1:31 Is this a reference to how 3kliksphilip portraited a then hypothetical Source 2 version of Counter Strike back in 2015?
@isabelle5089
@isabelle5089 5 ай бұрын
You missed the most important thing, how performance degraded massively since the first cs2 beta to now, the huge performance drop isn't justified by ANYTHING, there wasn't anything game changing or graphics update, it's the same shlt, only minor updates
@Luggruff
@Luggruff 5 ай бұрын
Both of these are Volvo basically saying "we are too lazy, so you get the OPPORTUNITY to explore and test this out for us": -Slightly delayed tagging effects to reduce instances of players experiencing teleportation when taking damage. Delaying tagging results in a smoother experience, however players will have slightly more time to move at full speed when receiving damage. The delay can be adjusted on servers using convar sv_predictable_damage_tag_ticks (default 2) -Added a server setting "sv_vote_to_changelevel_rndmin" to control rounds/time during which voting for a level change is allowed.
@O6i
@O6i 5 ай бұрын
Yeah the game is unplayable right now. It just stutters. Ping is unpredictable. Taking damage causes a 400 ms frametime lag spike as well as pulling up the score board.
@Iuffycs
@Iuffycs 5 ай бұрын
that frametime is too accurate, mine spikes to like 40ms sometimes which feels like my ping spiked to 600
@575mewtwo
@575mewtwo 5 ай бұрын
You didn't say much here. Your testing had nothing to do with actual real world gameplay and you took your sweet time basically saying "games get more graphically demanding overtime."
@Omega900
@Omega900 5 ай бұрын
I love how my average fps is around 250 lower than in CSGO with the same pc and settings. I play at between 220-140 depending on the map and spot, but if I open the score board that drops another 50-60 fps ...
@yaboijin98
@yaboijin98 5 ай бұрын
The fact that Valve's reasoning for not upgrading to 128 tick is because most players' pc's wouldn't be able to handle it, and yet push CS2 for everyone with this kind of performance just pisses me off
@DJ-ov2it
@DJ-ov2it 5 ай бұрын
For those that started playing csgo in the early 2010s!: Was csgo relatively demanding for the average PC back then or did it already start out being really easy to run for everyone?
@q1ntz267
@q1ntz267 5 ай бұрын
Going from source with nice performance at the time to GO in 2013 was 100% worse for me performance wise. My pc that could get atleast 300+ fps in source could only handle 90 fps in go. So I would say it was pretty much worse for me at the time being
@thomaskutty1440
@thomaskutty1440 5 ай бұрын
Yes but it has been a year and the performance seems to get worse over time with every update.
@DJ-ov2it
@DJ-ov2it 5 ай бұрын
@@q1ntz267 Okay that would indicate that valve will try to keep the rate of increase in demandingness of cs2 lower than the rate at which hardware improves over the next 10-20 years of this game.
@rsho3472
@rsho3472 5 ай бұрын
You at least had css as a fallback, now you have nothing... except valorant, since it runs much better
@varsik289
@varsik289 5 ай бұрын
Performance was worse but not as worse as it is now, also that now with cs2 you cant rly go back to csgo... And before anybody tells me "yOu CaN pLay cSgo, iTs on ThE bEta tAb" ,most ppl are not going to do that so csgo is pretty much dead, all those stupid servers like classic counter force you to join their discord and have stupid requirements to actually play the game when Valve could have just simply put a different app ID for csgo and thats it lmao
@rubik224
@rubik224 4 ай бұрын
When every other CS came out, you could still play the easy to run version, this is no longer the case. The game is popular in lots of less fortunate countries, where a top of the line CPU is expensive. These communities and players would have previously stayed on the last version of the game. Valve took this. This is part of why there are so many voices online complaining about performance, the game was taken from them. They will get to play it in 5 years time, but not now.
@G750-g4h
@G750-g4h 5 ай бұрын
frametime is shit though, i get stutters often when someone is shooting shame you didnt mention frametime
@tahlynchetty8188
@tahlynchetty8188 5 ай бұрын
Valve nuking csgo is the main issue
@Iuffycs
@Iuffycs 5 ай бұрын
and everyone was like "cs2 will give you better FPS because it's a new engine 🤓☝"
@donnerstal
@donnerstal 5 ай бұрын
no one said that, and if they did, they are stupid
@diztinger
@diztinger 5 ай бұрын
2:01 Did bro prestrafe on vanilla?
@Tri2p
@Tri2p 5 ай бұрын
Yes. 🤦
@KryzysX
@KryzysX 5 ай бұрын
As a bottom-tier gamer, the cruel hand of fate dealt me a raw deal, one I couldn’t escape...
@koushiksen4046
@koushiksen4046 5 ай бұрын
Left the game a year ago, only have a monetary attachment to the game, and I hope to cash out in 10 years
@thingocthuynguyen5479
@thingocthuynguyen5479 5 ай бұрын
I swear to god cs2 has no rights getting fps this low. And the max ms spike are insane if you don't have a monster rig. I lost around 100 fps just by staying near a smoke or a molly.
@iEchoXD
@iEchoXD 5 ай бұрын
csgo fps avg 350 cs2 avg 130 its crazy
@Jonsson95
@Jonsson95 5 ай бұрын
I used to have 280fps in cs2 fpsheaven benchmark map like couple months ago. Yesterday I got as low as 174fps. After updating drivers and Windows and switching to Vulkan I was able to boost fps to about 230fps.
@D0mie7
@D0mie7 5 ай бұрын
I figured the same: They are betting on technological advancements and with the release of RTX 3000 series and Ryzens X3Ds kicking ass, it only seems logical to have a game more demanding. In the future, most consumers will have upgraded at some point, and each new generation of hardware will be more readily available at reasonable pricing. This is just the growing pains with RTX 4000 as our top dog atm
@varsik289
@varsik289 5 ай бұрын
I know games have to evolve and all that, but there was no reason to rush cs2 the way they did... They could have perfectly released it in 2025 or 2026 and lot of problems would be solved Also that games evolving doesnt mean they have to run way worse than they should, hell the game feels exactly the same as csgo but with better lighting and smokes...
@Slimek
@Slimek 5 ай бұрын
csgo dust 2 hides a lot of props on low settings while cs2 renders them on all settings
@LolbitGalerian
@LolbitGalerian 5 ай бұрын
My problem with CS2 is that, I don't have a descent Pc, but I can run Cyberpunk 2077, Starfield, Call of Duty and many other games that are much more intensive than CS2 and still CS2 goes from 180 to 40fps when Molotovs are thrown and in many other moments, at least for me the game performance is a mess and completely unstable. I know it's not just me, on 3Kliks video back when the game released he ask for people to comment about their rig and performance on CS2, and had a considerable amount of people with good PCs having the same issues as I have with a super old machine, and I saw that in my friends group too, I have a friend with a RTX3060 12GB and R5 3600X and 32gb of ram and he's game shutters and have weird drops below 80fps in the lowest setting.
@Fl0yd-
@Fl0yd- 5 ай бұрын
You should’ve also compared older versions of cs2 I could’ve sworn I was hitting 500 average in the early beta stages
@gm0neyx
@gm0neyx 5 ай бұрын
Feels like not many people are aware of this... but there is considerably more "screen-shake" when shooting in cs2 compared to csgo. And no, the 'viewmodel_recoil' command from csgo does not affect the aforementioned screen-shake. It just happens to shake more in cs2. It's quite subtle to be fair.
@flookaraz
@flookaraz 5 ай бұрын
Something you didn't touch on was that the reason we don't have 128 tick servers, per valve, was that it alienated people with lower end rigs. Now? You have awful performance in the *only version of the game available* unless you have a high end rig. Whaddya know, alienating people with lower end rigs. And we still have fucking 64 subtick bullshit! I'm one of those people who's starting to leave. Cashed my most expensive skins and I maybe play once every two to three weeks. Feels terrible to play.
@roznaczygestosc
@roznaczygestosc 5 ай бұрын
No, they just think CS works the best in 64-tick, weird, but that's genuinely what they stand with.
@christophermalthe1818
@christophermalthe1818 5 ай бұрын
Hellyeah, fuck cs2 and fuck valve. People should stop playing this game so valve can see what we think about it.
@evankim2406
@evankim2406 5 ай бұрын
@@christophermalthe1818 That isn't going to work, as long as people are opening cases, nothing will happen.
@balto7798
@balto7798 5 ай бұрын
optimalization is the problem how can i have with 2,5k pc have drops from 250 to 140 that's absolutely insane when you play 240hz screen. how can i have more stable fps in COD MW 3 when the mechanics and overall game is much more complex. i only hope when full version comes out there will be more stable framerate
@anthonyreuben
@anthonyreuben 5 ай бұрын
Also if you check, the game never uses more than 50% of your cpu. This seems to me the game is not optimized. Used the sys_info command in cs2. Realized it wasn't using all cores and threads. So I changed "the amount +1" in the startup "-threads #+1" doesn't give me more fps. But feels more stable and lower frametimes.
@chervilious
@chervilious 5 ай бұрын
​@@KNDCHVits because they dont need to. They already achieve their performance target. Why invest more?
@MartinMlBanic
@MartinMlBanic 4 ай бұрын
@@balto7798 Wth are your components???? If you can't get a decent PC for 2.5k that sounds more like a you issue 😂 I have a PC for 1.4k and I am getting 680 FPS in the benchmark and like 500+ in my regular games so either there's something seriously wrong with your PC or you run everything at max graphics which again is a you issue .. Nobody is playing eSports with max graphics and expect great frame times 😂
@pezzz3113
@pezzz3113 5 ай бұрын
In terms of FPS with cs2 i have found loads of things that can improve, when i saw Hardware unboxed review for the 9700x which you have put in the video the numbers are low in general. Before i started messing around with settings in windows etc. Massive list of trial and error but i have gone from 350-400 FPS to 600FPS with major system latency reduced on top. Also fixed other issues in games like FC24 for pc which is very badly optimised. My Specs for PC is 5800x3D 4070ti Super 32GB of Ram etc etc. I most likely will make some sort of video about it in the future. But if people are wanting more FPS then the simple way of doing it is clean windows install. Chipset drivers downloaded after fresh install will give a 20% jump without the hassle of doing much else.
@fraegrantcheeseallmighty
@fraegrantcheeseallmighty 5 ай бұрын
My computer meets the reccomended requirements for CS2, yet I cannot even get 60fps consistently on minimal graphics and 1200x720 resolution.
@V1RG3T
@V1RG3T 4 ай бұрын
It seems to me that the problem lies not in the number of FPS but in stability. I'll use my example and say that FPS hasn't improved much since CS2 came out, but I remember that sometime between March and April the game really worked well. I don't know how they do it that with every new accutation they break something, but if it continues like this it will be a repeat of entertainment and the same as in CSGO it will take years for this game to become as good as CSGO.
@artended
@artended 5 ай бұрын
People who blame CS2 for performance are lucky ones without hardware. Once you boot it up, scout wallbang headshot from other side of map will show what it is really worth.
@KikiDaily09
@KikiDaily09 5 ай бұрын
playing deathmatch with 10 player damn the fps drops is insane with my ryzen 7 6800h rtx 3060 on 1080p high settings. Usually from 190fps to 70fps. Stutter issues still there.
@trappedsouls2125
@trappedsouls2125 5 ай бұрын
bro really said features in the same sentence as cs2 lmao
@SalamanderFPS
@SalamanderFPS 5 ай бұрын
i used to play csgo with 120fps on my fx6300 and r7 250 1gb, cs2 started pretty well on the hardware and fps ratio
@strugsi
@strugsi Ай бұрын
The biggest problem that I have with this game are the 1% lows. Avg. is fine for me but the FPS jumps are sometimes crazy.
@SakanRahman
@SakanRahman 5 ай бұрын
I used to get 600-700fps on csgo when i had 5600x, then cs2 the fps went 700 to 200, Ugraded to 7800x3d last month getting 600fps again feels good
@mads4693
@mads4693 5 ай бұрын
to sum the video up, we're fucked
@rafaelvieira4267
@rafaelvieira4267 5 ай бұрын
why the reupload?
@notmeq7879
@notmeq7879 5 ай бұрын
Some leftist from valve was offended by this
@DJ-ov2it
@DJ-ov2it 5 ай бұрын
​@@notmeq7879breh
@montyslush
@montyslush 5 ай бұрын
@@notmeq7879 what the fuck does that even mean bro its a cs2 video
@notmeq7879
@notmeq7879 5 ай бұрын
@@montyslush Ahh a typical leftist, just tell me that you're from Great Britain
@montyslush
@montyslush 5 ай бұрын
@@notmeq7879 what the fuck are you talking about man? this is a cs2 video about performance over the years.
@henrym5908
@henrym5908 5 ай бұрын
Right now, the main thing that disappoints me regarding CS2 perf is that, like 32-bit CSGO, the game sometimes struggles to run with many players (more than 12 or so) on one server, and human players have the biggest impact. I figured a true 64-bit backend like Source2 should have made this issue insignificant, but I guess Valve still has work to do here.
@TOTALdAk1nG
@TOTALdAk1nG 5 ай бұрын
The problem with this comparison is that you use the newest tech to obtain data on the current fps in csgo / cs2 (which was stated at the end of the video ofc! :) ) if you would use the according tech to the year csgo ended support - or to be more specific use the tech that was the best/most common in the years these versions of csgo came out - its is highly likely that these numbers even out a lot more that they do right now cs2 runs very well on the latest most common pc specifications (that are being used according to the steam survey) and will put out high numbers of fps even on a 5800x and a 3070 which csgo also did on the exact same tech (even though csgo was a bit better ofc since you can litterally run the game on a 4790k and a 1080 with good fps) this comparison would be great in 2-3 years when the most common tech advaces a bit more
@methadonmanfred2787
@methadonmanfred2787 4 ай бұрын
yes csgo was way more demanding than cs2 but valve didnt decide to kill source when go was released. imagine paying for a game that you can no longer play (due to performance)
@voorachter2733
@voorachter2733 5 ай бұрын
I'm missing the decrease in performance between the early and current build of CS2. Apparently we've lost like 10%+ already
@erdenebaatardolgorsuren5805
@erdenebaatardolgorsuren5805 5 ай бұрын
I only wanted 128 tick
@Z0sHu
@Z0sHu 3 ай бұрын
subtick is probem, plus that strange mosue movement feeling feels like its fking floating ....
@ScarletRestall
@ScarletRestall 5 ай бұрын
But what about full 64 player community surf server or zombie escape escape server even with R7 5800x + 4070s 32gb ram 1440p it dropped down from 300 fps to straight just 30 fps.. what if i had low end pc.........................
@TriwinGR
@TriwinGR 5 ай бұрын
i used to get on almost every map over 250 300 fps and now im getting 170 up to 250, and i have 240hz monitor Ryzen 7 5800x Rtx 3080 64gb 4400mhz
@donnerstal
@donnerstal 5 ай бұрын
i have the same specs and I get 200 - 400+ fps in comp/premier. I can drop lower in ancient spawn of course but that's not rly relevant.
@lightningcat6382
@lightningcat6382 5 ай бұрын
But how can things change so dramatically. My laptop was getting 170 fps with 100 low last week. Now it's struggling to get 100 fps with 50 low with paste change and dust cleaning.
@jazibali7791
@jazibali7791 5 ай бұрын
Why do you always re-upload your videos ?
@MrMaxim
@MrMaxim 5 ай бұрын
It happens a lot since I don't like presenting wrong information to a large audience. I would rather reupload and fix the mistake then to let the mistake be apparent and perhaps risk someone missing my pinned comment that I messed up somehow
@kujalanville
@kujalanville 5 ай бұрын
@@MrMaxim Just make a note in a pinned comment if it's nothing major :D You're probably hurting your own videos in the algorithm by reuploading as I doubt most people will watch the same video again
@MrMaxim
@MrMaxim 5 ай бұрын
@@kujalanville I guess... but I care more about the video being "correct" than the video doing poorly especially if the mistake is bugging me lol
@kujalanville
@kujalanville 5 ай бұрын
@@MrMaxim Fair enough :D love your stuff!
@SaintGGod
@SaintGGod 5 ай бұрын
Gaslighting doesn't work when you see the frame times
@HAYK1L26
@HAYK1L26 5 ай бұрын
CS2 ran solid after the first post-release update yet somehow they fucked it up, I had (and still have) GTX 980. the game felt smooth back after release but after that, update after update, they managed to fuck up the tele-communication in the servers, even with low ping this game sucks…idk what to say, ridiculous shit…
@PNWukrainian
@PNWukrainian 5 ай бұрын
performance is important, but all i really care about is a new operation
@visionfncs
@visionfncs 4 ай бұрын
I personally think that the main issue is the optimization. It's crazy how i can mix this, and that in the settings, and nothing will change. Like i went from very low to full high and i got the same fps. Same goes for resolution. On my old pc when i used to play csgo 4:3 was a really good help for framerate. Now it basically gives you 0 fps. The game is just garbage. The main playerbase are the "wannabe" pro players, and the actualy pro players, who are too lazy to get used to another game.
@proosee
@proosee 5 ай бұрын
2:59 I can't agree with that - updates themselves *shouldn't* cause FPS drops - in fact, we should see an improvement as maps and engine itself get optimized. The only thing that might do that is actual maps update, but that didn't happen here! But anyway, I wouldn't be upset about this, because visuals are waaay better with Cs2 and I hope no one is saying otherwise, but there is only one thing that bothers me... Valve *promised* that if there will be any different it will be slight and maybe on some maps there will be even improvement (!) because the new engine is using hardware in more effective way - that happened to be a lie. Anyway, all we, as players, asked for was completive smokes and 128 tick and the second one is still lacking.
@sams_gaming_lounge
@sams_gaming_lounge 5 ай бұрын
my issue with cs2 isnt the fact that it stutters a lot in fights, you can fix that by adding an fps cap. my issue is that the tick system is delayed. a shot registered client-side takes 2 extra ticks to register server-side on the same system. Everything is delayed just enough I can see it, but not enough to show you in real time. its horrible. I do think we need a deep dive into this from you in case people aren't aware of it. host_timescale may or may not resolve the issue, but it is consistently 2 ticks at full game speed.
@bob-rob
@bob-rob 5 ай бұрын
CS2 will be known as the end of CS. Valve doesnt care and have the most bottom of the barrel devs working on it
@roznaczygestosc
@roznaczygestosc 5 ай бұрын
They don't care, that's why they revolusionised esport scene, so that it can stay alive for a long time (open circuit). And I'm pretty sure if they put so much effort into changing esports systems they will do everything so that game is playable for casuals and pros in the near future.
@roznaczygestosc
@roznaczygestosc 5 ай бұрын
I mean, for me it's still playable, I don't experience most of issues others do (even though I have low-mid spec.
@gttc321
@gttc321 5 ай бұрын
This has been said with css and csgo. No, this won't be the end of cs. Yes, the developers behind cs2 do care. Chill.
@radu19d
@radu19d 5 ай бұрын
Nice to see you reuploaded with the right numbers.
@stefzao
@stefzao 5 ай бұрын
Couldn’t really play cs2 because of my pc, literally going to upgrade my pc today
@not_sure_about_that_but
@not_sure_about_that_but 5 ай бұрын
Is it just me or cs2 looks completely washed out? Like there is no contrast and just way too bright for no reason. Lowering the gamma makes is better but csgo still looks way better in terms of contrast for me
@pred1993
@pred1993 5 ай бұрын
Definitely. Despite having an eye condition I never had any issues in CSGO, but even after adjusting gamma visibility for me in CS2 feels like trash :(
@not_sure_about_that_but
@not_sure_about_that_but 4 ай бұрын
@@pred1993 especially at night when I usually play. It's eye piercing bright, I always gotta lower the brightness when I boot up the game
@colonelblars9126
@colonelblars9126 5 ай бұрын
CS2 is the future of the franchise the same way Source was the future of the franchise. They should just let Goose make the version of the game he envisioned back in 2004 at this point.
@sourcelocation
@sourcelocation 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for correcting 🙂
@tadl3394
@tadl3394 5 ай бұрын
They took the game away from the people
@dregou9248
@dregou9248 5 ай бұрын
Can we actually get a game where devs care more about gameplay than visuals?
@tgg5045
@tgg5045 4 ай бұрын
I don't think people would care if they just let us play cs:go and cs2. but they had to remove cs:go
@PytozBeatz
@PytozBeatz 5 ай бұрын
Overall the Game runs not smooth ,even with 200 fps
@xDraga
@xDraga 5 ай бұрын
you were able to hit easily over 144fps+ with a gtx 750 ti before panorama update
@tomsgrins
@tomsgrins 5 ай бұрын
lowkey i have been playing only 1.6 after they removed csgo
@yuzu9994
@yuzu9994 5 ай бұрын
valve could learn something with overwatch2 performance that shit runs amazing even en low ends
@ZeDfriT
@ZeDfriT 5 ай бұрын
Laptop: i7 11800H 16 GB RAM 3080 8GB CSGO: 550-600 CS2: 190-200
@jackfrost6268
@jackfrost6268 5 ай бұрын
heck even the main menu is laggy as fuck, also the player models.. the more people on the server the laggier it becomes by alot
@ESMIR1337
@ESMIR1337 5 ай бұрын
Recomment, 400fps feels smoother in cs go than cs2, also networking problems dont help cs2.
@waferbarr
@waferbarr 5 ай бұрын
Test on a pc that isn't 2000$ and test cs2 comparing itself to the launch versions. Then you'll see why people aren't happy
@shashanktiwari4209
@shashanktiwari4209 5 ай бұрын
Reupload??
@xdAstra
@xdAstra 5 ай бұрын
Ryzen 9 5900x rtx 2060 32 gb 3600 mhz ram . Ik the gpu isnt the best but wow 70-100 fps in dm and like 100-120 max in premier on 1280x960 . I miss csgo
@t3chgeek
@t3chgeek 5 ай бұрын
Your graphics card bottlenecks your cpu, a f*cking lot. With that resolution tho I suggest you to take a look at your hardware. I reach 180fps max down to 90fps with an i3 12th and a 3060 (resolution 1440x900 16:10 all high)
@xdAstra
@xdAstra 5 ай бұрын
@@t3chgeek would a 3070ti get me 240?
@Fragoneryes
@Fragoneryes 5 ай бұрын
that is lesser than my pc... which has a 1650.... there is def something else that is wrong
@xdAstra
@xdAstra 5 ай бұрын
@@Fragoneryes idek🤣
@Fragoneryes
@Fragoneryes 5 ай бұрын
@@xdAstra 1080p yeah my friend has a 3080 super he gets 400fps+ (in ulleticals aimbotz also since other gamemodes rely on players, location maps even servers with the curr state) with some settings like anisotropic at max and textures high.. also he has a 5950x and so keep that in mind
@alarik95
@alarik95 5 ай бұрын
Are you able to source benchmarks of CS2 over the past year and a half to see if performance degrades as they update the game? Maybe you can ask permission from Hardware Unboxed to use their data every time they review a new CPU (like the 9950X review they did they include their latest CS2 benchmark data from 14900k to 5800X3D, paired with RTX4090) edit: wow you almost did exactly that at 4:00
@harjasx
@harjasx 5 ай бұрын
and I was here blaming my pc for this shit performance lol
@QuaxRSPS
@QuaxRSPS 5 ай бұрын
It's also really worth mentioning that CS2 on low settings look a lot worse than CS:GO did. Being forced to play the on low settings, like myself has huge visibility issues. It's crazy in terms of upgrades that CS:GO -> CS2 were mostly visibility (and a lot of downgrades in terms of actual gameplay) but for us with worse PCs the games run much more poorly even on low settings AND it just looks so much than CS:GO ever did. Literally lose-lose
@ZorbMcpe
@ZorbMcpe 5 ай бұрын
I uninstalled this game purely because of the cheaters, the performance isn’t alarming, I’m able to reach the 240 fps mark which is my monitor’s refresh rate and honestly don’t notice a huge difference. Until the cheaters are gone I will not be touching this game :)
@SnoX9
@SnoX9 5 ай бұрын
Csgo on max settings 1440p still ran better than cs2 on medium/low 1080p . Im running 7800X3D and 3060
@donnerstal
@donnerstal 5 ай бұрын
of course it did. do you know how much 11 years is for computer development??
@snacks2562
@snacks2562 5 ай бұрын
Im curious if the source 2 engine can take advantage of the new hardware to an extent that in the future high end pc's could run cs2 at higher framerates and better frametimes than csgo. But that's just me probably being overly optimistic.
@tirespark
@tirespark 5 ай бұрын
ive been having stuttering issues for months, basically unplayable without an ethernet connection
@MagicMan6969
@MagicMan6969 4 ай бұрын
1:25 At least you can still play 1.6, Cant play CSGO anymore.
@shaurya9149
@shaurya9149 5 ай бұрын
i have already quit bro bcuz i am a school guy and dont have insane pc still in csgo i can get like 110 -120 in 1024*768 but in cs2 i get like 55-60 in 800*600 why the hell i will continue to play cs2 bro
@shaurya9149
@shaurya9149 5 ай бұрын
i think the diffrence in older gpu is much higher than new gpu in csgo vs cs2 stats
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