THE PLAY THAT LOST LEINSTER THE CHAMPIONS CUP! | Forensic Analysis | Champions Cup 2024

Leinster v Toulouse Champions Cup Final 2024
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[@janesullivan6888]

Really appreciate this. I'm American, and don't know the intricacies of the game, but your explanation was very clear. I was so afraid you were going to blame Frawley. The drop goal would have made him the hero, but missing it is not what cost Leinster the game.

[@romainviry3185]

You don t get to be called out when you re having a go at drop goal , especially this far from the posts. He made a good effort, just not a great one 😅

[@barryhurley4527]

Excellent Analysis However this surely is not where Leinster lost the match. Turning down 4 kickable penalties when dominating both territory and possession was surely where this epic was lost All the while watching Toulouse add points from each and every penalty awarded them

[@patrickclaux2684]

J'espère au moins que tout le monde à pris du plaisir à regarder ce match ! Sinon on peut commenter jusqu'à la fin des temps et le résultat ne changera pas . Tous les joueurs nous ont offert ce spectacle ! Merci à eux de nous proposer ce genre de rugby .

[@seanspencer6727]

Quel match, c'est sur. Mais en sachant que la meilleure equipe a gagner, et Bravo a Toulouse, nous Leinstermen sont decus, ca fait 3 fois de suite qu'on perds en finale. Nous sommes dans la première étape du deuil après la mort si un rêve est le déni.😢

[@elandraxe]

On point ! Leinster made many avoidable mistakes in extra time probably because they were exhausted, chasing the score all game and putting so much effort into it.

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

On the French side of forensic analysis, the second try attempt, the one Larmour tackled brilliantly, has been dissected and showed a big decision error from Lebel: he could have passed to his inside, Roumat was there whithout any oppo close enough to stop him. Tunnel vision. Normally he his more clear headed. I would say that Leinster style od play is like classical music, excellent for rehearsed pieces, Toulouse style is more like Jazz, with 4 or 5 players who can improvise and the others to follow instantly.

[@stephendoherty981]

Time for Leinster to take comfort in the words of their countryman, Sam Beckett - 'Try again. Fail again. Fail better.'

[@garyambrosini1427]

Perhaps they've taken too much comfort in those words, seeing as it's happened 3 years in a row...

[@cioran1754]

​@@garyambrosini1427😆

[@joemoody7440]

​@@garyambrosini1427what you reckon just give up at this stage?

[@marco-dn7kd]

Toulouse won 2023 Top 14 final vs La Rochelle almost at the last minute with a similar mistake by La Rochelle... Leinster could not imagine that Toulouse could have been so good in defending their line when Toulouse is mostly known for its attacking flair. Nienaber is maybe a good defence advisor but not sure who was in charge of the irish attack last Saturday. Toulouse is able to create the danger almost from nothing and Mallia and Lebel could have scored 2 beautiful tries should they have had smaller feet or shoes... It was a great game because there were 2 great teams on the ground. Congrats to both of them !

[@etiennetavitian3361]

Very good analysis. The French KZbinr “Up rugby” had a very similar one. Leinster will still be strong contenders next year (probably even stronger).

[@user-xd1ds5rc6n]

Toulouse here : from my pov, the main issue of leinster is that they did not adapt their tactic. Always the same tactic that didn't work on this game, not kicking penalties to take de lead. The difference is that Toulouse was massive in defense, and it is not usual for this team. Bur nobody has to blame leinster, if the drop goal was successful, all the commentaries I read will be opposite.

[@timdiggle5090]

Excellent analysis clearly describing events and their consequences but not, in my opinion, the moment that Leinster lost the game. From this position Leinster looked in trouble but still in touch, knowing that Lowe would return and not yet doomed .That came in the second period after Arnold's dismissal when a scrambled lineout saw Leinster win a scrappy ball at the back and inexplicably pass it to an isolated Cian Healey. He was tackled, had no option other than to hang on hoping for support (that was too far away to help) and be penalised. The subsequent Ramos penalty put Toulouse 2 scores ahead and that, I think, was the moment that decided the match.

[@poo2764]

Discipline failing to protect the breakdown, support play lazy at least, the breakdown was fought hard by Toulouse and won most of the time, stealing the ball, Leinster tried hard but tactics not good on the day, I cant understand why the coaches did not tell them take 3 points?????? So to my province come on Munster. There is always next year hopefully lessons learnt. Love watching Munster and Leinster playing.

[@rabbitss11]

On these moments games can turn, really good analysis. Also, taking penalty kicks in the early stages is pretty much a given and it's a mystery why Leinster kept going for touch instead.

[@ryanberelowitz7464]

Larmour did this a couple of times during the game. Clearly hasn't bought into the system entirely. He wasn't necessarily wrong to shoot up, but if you are going to you need to fully commit and make the tackle on Ramos (or at least get in between the passing lines of Ramos to Chocobares)

[@WallyBuzzum]

Really enjoyed the in-depth analysis, well paced to make it easy to follow too. Great to have this for the big games.

[@peyov4636]

Tellement vrai...en français on appelle ça "couper les extérieurs " mais pour ça il faut une communication parfaite avec ton coéquipier intérieur. Ramos lui dabord donné le "tournis " puis la cloué avant de décaler choco. Jeu de main, jeu jeu de toulousains

[@System-Update]

Lama and Conan overcommit because Leinster were down to 14 players and were too worried about being stretched to recognise the attack wasn’t that threatening if they drift. Hanshaw knows it can be contained until the guys around him loose their cool pretty much for the only time in the match.

[@guiaerts]

NO disconnected rush defense against Toulouse ! Particularly at the end of games. See last minutes of last year TOP14 finale. Thanks for this interesting micro-analysis. I like your background too :)

[@kenrehill8775]

Now we see why they’ve signed Barrett. Byrne just isn’t the man at 10.

[@dlenny3369]

Jordie is not a 10

[@neilmontgomery3470]

I know the Leinster haters will probably say that we are making excuses but I wasn't surprised that we lost. Our form has been patchy for most of the year and the malaise seems to have spread to the wider squad with the poor performances in South Africa and against Ulster. I think the departures of Sexton and Lancaster have had a big impact. Also when you consider that both new defense and attack coaches were away at the world cup and didn't have a proper pre-season it is hardly surprising that things have gone backward a bit, particularly the attack. However, I think next year things should be more stable and we will have a fresh infusion of new players and a more settled coaching staff things should get better.

[@kenrehill8775]

Saints lose by 3 at Croke park = Leinster are beatable.

[@patrickclaux2684]

Tout le monde craint le Leinster . Meme Toulouse !

[@zarg64]

I don't know if you watch the Top14 but Toulouse didn't do well at the start of the season, and had a lot of injuries, not to mention playing 7 more games than Leinster before this final!

[@HarryRoberts-rz7mq]

I'm not convinced by Nienaber. He has tried to fix a problem we didn't have and our attack has suffered as a result.

[@JackN13_]

Lol 😂

[@JackN13_]

As if they were winning before nienaber

[@kenrehill8775]

He’s been there 7 months! He’s won two Rwc on the bounce. No coach can have such a quick impact, just look at borthwick🤣🤣🤣🤣. Lancaster was the problem, he’s not a winner. Just watch Racing over the next two seasons. Byrne isn’t a good 10, the Irish will say he is, but he isn’t. Where’s Joey now? Second choice at Munster and about to be second choice in France. 10 is a big problem for Leinster. Leinster/ireland should take “being on the legal limit “ out of their game, it’s stopping them concentrating on playing rugby. Carley was up their asses all first half and it crippled them, as happened in the quarter final last year.

[@jadenphilander8799]

Nah, your attack just got found out, you play the same fuckijg moves over and over again which is basically obstruction play but teams figured you out. Nienaber has won world cuos and never bottled..but he inherited a squad at Leinster who have players that have choked world cups after world cups, Champions cup after champions cup and they choke in tight games. Nienaber is not used to working with frauds. Against a good defence, your attack is mediocre, rehearsed backline moves wont save you against a team who can absorb pressure. Leinster dont really attack like NZ and SA that is free flowing, everything is systematic and drilled training ground moves, it wont work when you are on the backfoot. You need individual world class players who can step up anf win you a game...and your best player Gibso-Park is not thay guy😂

[@toulcaz31]

And the Leinster players looked really tired in extra time compared to Toulouse.

[@canadiancontent352]

Great analysis. Poor read by the whole team who were obviously trusting the system over their own instincts

[@michaelcoleman5031]

Much appreciated. As a former ref I focus on different aspects when watching so your analysis is really enlightening. thanks and as we say in S Africa 'Sterkte"

[@toulcaz31]

Did you review Toulouse last try against La Rochelle in Top 14 final? There is some sort of similarity in having Toulouse crucifying the opponent in the last minutes which is quite crazy.

[@olivierarnaud-freaud6369]

I find it almost insulting that most of the English speaking commentators take the angle of « why Leinster lost ». Since the competition started, Toulouse is the team with the most titles. And this season, I think Toulouse was the most impressive team in the champions cup. So i think the question should be "what made toulouse win".

[@fredericwagnon1]

thank you for sharing your love of the game

[@Ruah236]

That wasn't the moment Leinster lost the game though it contributed, there was an accumulation of moments. I'm not convinced if Nienaber's system suits all the Leinster players whose DNA is being an attacking team. They had so much of Lancaster's attacking ways it won't switch in a season and we don't really want it to switch to a defensive game. He hasn't been at the club for a full season yet. Jordan Larmour's and Conan's instincts told them something else in that defensive situation to what Nienaber is coaching and they are trying hard to fit this new defence into their game but at what cost? I think the team is caught in no man's land moving from a world class attacking coach who also worked defence to moving to the opposite end of the game in a world class defensive coach. I don't think its working for backs with attacking instincts.

[@gregobroin7738]

Was the final pass forward (have seen other pics that shows this even more so)? Also was the challenge on Frawley an off ball foul or accident? It happened in front of me but everything happened so fast I don’t know. What ever way you analyse it Leinster had only 13 standing. I do agree with you that this try was the pivotal moment. It was an epic contest. (I have never seen many post match pieces for a game - a tribute to the quality of the contest and both teams).

[@cedric7936]

Dupont is the X factor

[@jimbo0078]

Excellent Analysis - thank you !

[@danielgriffin9431]

Great analysis.. thanks 🙏🏽

[@liamhegarty8652]

This is an excellent analysis and it highlights the fact that the defence must not be totally rigid, but must sometimes adjust slightly to contain the attacking threat. As you say all is lost when Larmour does a complete 360 degree turn. He has contributed nothing to the defensive effort and has put his fellow defenders in an impossible position. Neinaber has to take responsibility for this. Leinster must surely have trained for scenarios like this. So the players are responsible but not necessarily to blame.

[@Ray-zu4mt]

Fantastic, more of the same please 😊

[@tangofoxtrot4603]

13.17 What a picture that is !!!!!

[@psykopathicman]

Nice analysis ! Good job A fan from RWC 2023 final with "Angry Banner" about French dreams...

[@robinwolahan6303]

Tough to watch as a Leinster fan but gotta take my medicine.. I appreciate the detailed analysis 🫠

[@nleophonte]

Great analysis, thank you! I can’t help to think that Leinster lost again due to an excessive confidence in their abilities to get a try from the corner. IMHO They made the same mistake again that lost them the final against La Rochelle which is to go to the corner when they get a penalty vs taking the 3 points. This final, they tried 3 times to score a try and ended up behind almost the entire match, meanwhile Toulouse takes 3 points after 3 points. It was Hugo Mola’s plan all along and it always pays off since Toulouse always scores tries at the end of a match. Pragmatism wins. Maybe having Barrett’s boot next season will be a game changer… if they take the points I bet it will! Thanks again for a great analysis. Rugby is our passion and what an amazing sport! Bravo Toulouse! Allez le Stade! On to the Top14 finals… 🏉

[@jlsimonable]

Good analysis! Ramos was perfect on the move with his delayed pass

[@thomascatty379]

Thomas Ramos is excellent, his ball carrying was brillant

[@Gilescowdemdem]

Loving these type of videos!

[@officepea]

As this unfolded it was a clear car crash error - excellent analysis, thank you. Really enjoyed the game, they deserved the win in the end and at this level an error like that was the difference. Ref had a good game, although I thought Leinster were a bit hard done by on a couple of occasions. Dupont was amazing but Willis was my man of the match - outstanding performance.

[@myfootiefriend1267]

Thank you. Would love to hear your take on the Sheahan break… seemed to me that Kinghorn reached from the ground to put a hand on the ball to stop Sheahan offloading to Osborne.. which allowed DuPont in for the jackal - may also have been off his feet.. didn’t see a lot of comments on this so maybe I am wrong in my understanding of the laws and would appreciate being corrected. 28.31 in the game. Thank you for your work.

[@myfootiefriend1267]

Btw. Baird was off and I think it is Ryan in the scrum cap. 👍

[@briancostello6892]

Yes. Game Won or Lost. Right There

[@gregobroin7738]

I thought the ref blew instantly as DuPont was pulled off his feet. Not sure he lifted the ball. Maybe L penalised for a neck roll but it didn’t look like it

[@jean-pascalesparceil9008]

Google for " Breakdown Laws - Dos and Don'ts " Sheahan should not pass from the ground when he was still, Kinghorn should not hold him anymore. Sheahan should leave the ball, so as soon as the ref saw him protecting the ball from Dupont's grip, even for one second = foul.

[@MoonHoax-md6mp]

Arrogantly going for touch instead of the posts on at lest 4 occasions cost Leinster the game long before extra time.

[@danielgriffin9431]

Call it arrogance if you wish .. made for a far more interesting game instead of kicking pens all the time .. what a bore that wud have been .. at least Leinster went down fighting and more importantly playing rugby 🏉

[@gordondarker4073]

Bokke ????

[@dazza4345]

As a Leinster fan.I think they need to take the shots on goal when they arise.Leinster like Ireland are always going in for the kill.I thought Leinster were always the most threatening team in normal time.Toulouse were the better side in extra time.

[@dalenewton9697]

Nice spot and analysis! Perhaps Keenan should have taken Lebel and relied on Larmour and/or VDF getting back to catch the slower Chocobares?

[@meninbike1602]

Fantastic stuff

[@JosephFallon]

Great video

[@seanspencer6727]

Maybe but once they decided to go to touch, they needed to get as close to the 5 yard line as possible - Byrne never made it easy for his team on that count, consistently barely making it to their 22. For all intents and purposes, this is International rugby and Byrne plus Larmour are not international standard.

[@thomashuey5270]

Great stuff, thanks. Larmour's defense has really improved in general, but not this time. Great point about trying too hard - almost too keen. There's worse faults of course. Cheers.

[@knoll9812]

Good commentary Basically larmour being two steps forward created the opportunity which the french took. This is one or two seconds

[@momoverdier4685]

really great analysis, I think we could have made almost the same analysis if LEINSTER had won because in this match, the 2 teams were of a phenomenal level and the victory It's decided by very little.

[@donash9650]

Great analysis

[@richie82]

Good analysis. Although I think Henshaw gets off a bit easily in your summation. I agree that a more pragmatic approach saves Leinster here but as the lynchpin at 13 Henshaw would have to make the call not to rush. He clearly doesn't make that call judging by the actions of Conan and Larmour, yet he sits off himself which creates this massive disconnect. Larmour as you rightly point out makes a bad situation worse but in many respects he's made to look foolish by a situation that Henshaw is responsible for.

[@romainviry3185]

You re 100% right , watching this play live I could only think « wow they rushed this defence and messed it up » , that s a try. From the moment Ramos saw Larmour shooting this far I knew it was going to be a try The slight little things that cost games I rugby it s so insane , game of inches everywhere on the pitch

[@loadsbutty]

Brilliant analysis The superficial summary of the try over here in Ireland is that Leinster were effectively down to 13 which Toulouse ruthlessly exploited Your analysis debunks that narrative illustrating that T could have scored on the blindside a lot easier U fortunately , lamours over enthusiasm cost Leinster Thanks again for the enlightening piece 😊

[@rugbyanalyst]

Thanks, the painful thing I took away from a Leinster point of view is that the Toulouse attack was ok but not perfect, they were literally trying to work it wide at all cost. Leinster were nicely numbered up to deal with it comfortably!

[@loadsbutty]

@@rugbyanalyst indeed There's a strong feeling over here that Stuart Lancasters v attack minded coaching is badly missed as Leinster try tally this season is significantly inferior to previous season Nienaber influence obv very telling but Leinsters attack floundered all day

[@carthy29]

Time for Leo to call it a day, fresh eyes needed

[@ritzemaritzema-xo4dz]

springboks missed 3 drop goals at WC final but stil won their 4 out of 4 WC finals the Irish will and have never even reached a final lol...

[@cioran1754]

Ross Byrne is getting slated all over

[@seanspencer6727]

For reason!

[@amantedellopera1681]

He deserves it,he’s a poor attacking ten,no imagination,and his kicks to touch from penalties are far too short,3 times he should have made 5 meter line and barely made the 22.we need a better ten to pull strings,but it’s not all his fault

[@joemoody7440]

Leo needs to be taking that stick! everyone has known Ross won't win you the biggest games, its been years watching the same thing, you can see with Crowley he just has that something a top outhalf needs..

[@tidaliumpelo6350]

I really wonder why there is Marcus Smith with all the wonderful rugby players on the wall behind you !

[@bernieob9577]

Lads well done ,next year .so proud to be Irish ❤

[@Frankabagnale33]

How come the referee allowed a Leinster player to be lifted off the ground and held in the head lock with no penalty at all?

[@kenrehill8775]

He explained once the play came to an end. Perfectly ok.

[@seanspencer6727]

I think the ref was weak, how quickly did he blow up for Toulouse whenever they tried to jackal compared to the age it took for him to give Leinster a penalty.

[@bigowenzy3397]

There was no danger to the player being held. Ref could have gone either way but your nit picking

[@padraiglocke8844]

We lost the game well before this line break , our 10 Bryne , was so poor in quality it destroyed our backs , it made Gibson Park game look worse, if you don’t have a great combination at 9 and 10 , you can’t beat French teams , they will prey on this weakness, we had no leadership, terrible tactics!The interception rule is horrendous, Lowe was very unlucky, collapsing the scrum is more dangerous, the rules are ridiculous in modern Rugby!!!

[@magnificoas388]

what a try !!

[@user-lc2nq2vu1m]

I wonder if the game was won and lost on selection. Toulouse made a big call with Kinghorn over Ramos whilst Leinster overlooked VDF . Toulouse then brought Ramos on at exactly the right time to slot the kicks whereas Leinster's gamble did not work as VDF really missed from the start.

[@jesseferguson4269]

Good analysis but i personally think the game was lost when doris gave away a soft penalty right after the momentum had swung back in leinsters favour in extra time.

[@clementbatut4053]

RG Snyman as a fly half ? That's thinking out of the box i guess😅

[@zarg64]

Leinster lost on small details, and above all it was Toulouse who won thanks to the adaptation. Leinster's forwards were stronger and Dupond had trouble sending in his usual game, so he changed registers, went into defense mode and played very simply, relying on Ntamack. Dupont didn't make the big breakthrough he's used to because the Leinster defenders took him on every time, so he adapted, and that's where Leinster's problem is that they keep playing their game over and over again even when it doesn't go their way. I think Toulouse have more rugby intelligence and can therefore adapt to their opponents' game!

[@philippem4400]

the most suffocating match I've ever seen........

[@cpdennis11]

Take your kicks at post, it is a final.

[@andreemurray7039]

Should have taken the 3 points not going for the corner put points on the board

[@houndofzoltan]

Leinster make a meal of it? The meal being a dog's dinner?

[@DomDeDom]

Imagine if Byrne was as good as Kinghorn or Ramos, Leinster would have won. Is this the weakness of the Leinster system? If the academy doesn't produce a key position, Leinster suffer.

[@Zakerius]

I think to be fair, Leinster lost the game before extra time I think. But I agree the play was costly.

[@ritzemaritzema-xo4dz]

to loose is the name of the irish game no big match temperament

[@aidanmasterson50]

Pass looks a bit forward, but hey some days you just don’t get the breaks. A Try disallowed were it could just as easily been interpreted as ripped back instead of knocked forward. A couple of offences that might on another day drawn a card in the first half, like Willis’s upright no arms tackle on Dorris, or that clumsy single handed intercept under pressure and A narrowly missed drop to win in normal time. Leinster will bounce back, great teams alway do.

[@jefp.247]

Toulouse is simply too strong

[@user-jt3px6wp1o]

Byrne not fast enough for this level. Sam prendergast needs to be nurtured & frawley needs more game time

[@user-is9of]

As a leinster fan I can't wrap my head around how joe mc carthy's try wasn't counted and Toulouse's clear deliberate knock on and lying across the breakdown. There are things we should have done better such as Dan sheehan not straightening up and not taking our points. Fair play to the Toulouse team they won maybe not fair maybe not square but they know how to win the big one's so fair play 👏.

[@JohnHirsch88]

micro analysis, macro pain

[@efortlight]

Toulouse won it, play or not play, that's what cost them: toulouse was better!

[@plutoniumnitrate1201]

ever since SA teams have come over to Europe....Leinster have never been the same.....maybe they are scared and will need to be when the play the boks in SA

[@gordondarker4073]

Juvenile comment

[@seanspencer6727]

That final pass looks a bit forward tbh. The play that lost Leinster this game was Frawley's missed drop. Just as last year's final we didn't even try the drop. This is something they could have been practising in training with all their outhalves. Some changes on the way so maybe next year. Good analysis though.

[@andrewthegraciouslordrober327]

Save yourself the effort of trying to imitate Squidge Rugby. He will do it infinitesmally better.

[@rugbyanalyst]

I'm not trying to better Squidge just having some fun. But thank you for saying I'm only a tiny bit (infinitesimally) away from him, I thought I was further than that!

[@seum_city94]

The same analysis has already been done on a French KZbin channel one day before you.

[@markcooney4776]

Ah don't worry lads ur 5th star is coming only gonna get stronger done us proud take it on d chin move forward many cups will b won no doubt about it top class team

[@olivierolive8447]

Hi all. I watched so many YT reviews talking about IF Leinster has done this or IF Leinster has done that or if the drop goal was in and so....The fact can be also that Toulouse has just countered Leinster plans. We agree that with "IFS", we can remake the world. Do not get me wrong, Leinster could have won the game however Toulouse is very clinical and make the most of every mistake of the opponent. Do not forget that playing in the Top 14 means playing an European championship match every weekend. To conclude, I'd just like to highlight Stade Toulousain's performance and not just blame Leinster's performance. I follow Stade Toulousain regularly, and I have to admit that this year's team is virtually unplayable.

[@HenryMorris-ld8df]

Poor micro analysis, missing the big picture

[@daramaccarthy]

😳🫣

[@saho2864]

Matthew carleys bank account should be checked.

[@lawLess-fs1qx]

Ref won it for Toulouse binning Lowe so Toulouse had the space to score. Still can't see the forward pass to deny Lowes try either.

[@ritzemaritzema-xo4dz]

ireland will never win a WC even they buy players from other countries

[@fazertace6837]

Serial chokers

[@Stereo_mike]

Well the yellow card lost them the game and Carley being inept. Missing shots to the head in the first half on Leinster players and not penalising a more egregious slap down by a Toulouse player. I hope I never see him officiate a game again in my life. He was a total disgrace to the game.

[@TheFreddyKruegerFan99]

I will BLAST THE REFEREE MATHEW CARLEY FOR US LOOSING THIS FINAL

[@user-vk8ww5mc8m]

The play that decided the game was when the Toulouse no 16 Matt Carley chalked off the James Lowe try for a knock on which didn't happen.

[@SisypheJoyeux]

Your comment is so salty that it alone exceeds the annual production of salt of Guérande. 😮

[@Frankabagnale33]

Pinged Leinster all through the first half for so many things but let Toulouse away with a Leinster player in the head lock at one point. Definitely a close game but feel the ref was biased, so did the English I was watching it with

[@phillipfortinbras3896]

English Ref destroyed game

[@cedric7936]

Not at all. He was good

[@mu0nt893]

leinster rugby aswell as irish rugby is boring as fuck to look at, and im pretty sure to play against. Im glad teams are adapting to their nonsense rugby style which is shameful. Almost not rugby at all.

[@jimbo0078]

Please elaborate on this comment ? Thank you