The Point of the Clone Wars - The Genius of Palpatine's Plan

Besides the obvious grab for power on display by Chancellor Palpatine in the Clone Wars, why was his plan so brilliant? Today we explore how it damaged the Jedi Order nearly beyond repair.
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[@fgdj2000]

Not to mention that Dooku was a former Jedi. The public didn’t know what a Sith was, so to them, the war was basically a massive infight between the order and one of their former members.

[@Mal-sg6zc]

in the EU this was even driven harder into home with the dark acolytes. who were all former jedi turned to the darkside by dooku. kinda like proto inquisitors. the republic just saw them as jedi.

[@brandonselitetv1436]

They knew what the Sith was but they all (including the jedi) strongly believed that they were extinct.

[@fgdj2000]

@@brandonselitetv1436 Since it's not real history, arguing the details is a little futile, since you can mostly make up your own mind about it. In my mind, with 10.000 Jedi spread across a Galaxy of trillions it was probably rare to encounter even one Jedi and they were probably almost mythic to all but the core worlds. And with the Sith being believed extinct and mostly surviving in ancient history and even legend, I think it quite likely the average person in the Galaxy had no idea what a Sith is. In fact, in the Clone Wars episode "Revival" there was even a guy working as a mechanic on a space station who stressed Maul and Savage Oppress as Jedi, not knowing what a Sith was, to support my hypothesis. But again, since it's all not real history, every fan can fill these blank spots with their own imagination until a new canon work comes along and fills it.

[@brandonselitetv1436]

@@fgdj2000 If u want to argue then go ahead, dont put words in my mouth

[@fgdj2000]

@@brandonselitetv1436 when did I put words in your mouth?

[@phantomsidious2934]

The fact the Former Jedi Count Dooku was the leader of the sepratists made it very easy to convince the senate the jedi were responsible and perhaps the real puppet masters of the clone wars in their secret plan to over throw the republic. Catching the Jedi off guard, taking advantage of their arrogance was genius, as the war goes on the Jedi start to lose their ideals slowly, like wanting to assassinate dooku, an act which is very un Jedi like. Turning the Jedi into the enemies of peace and justice rather than the guardians was a master stroke

[@rebelappliance771]

Whenever somebody gets into an argument about the clone wars I will send them this video.

[@Jungoguy]

I may hate Darth Sidious’ guts, but I’m not gonna lie: his master plan to turn the Galaxy against the Jedi and make them flock to his promises of safety and stability was a masterful plan. It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic.

[@SigandGibbs]

And if it didn't reflect Republican politics so much

[@SigandGibbs]

@Ray Riley yeah last I checked it's not the Democrats sending secret police to disappear people while scapegoating blacks Jews and mexicans

[@SigandGibbs]

@Voltaic Fire you realize star wars was a direct commentary on Vietnam right? And the prequels were a direct response to bush and 911?

[@SigandGibbs]

@Voltaic Fire this fandom has no place for people who sees the empire as the good guys

[@SigandGibbs]

@Ray Riley armed paramilitary forces with no names badges or ID, operating in a city that governors don't want them in, performing illegal kidnapping of whoever they want. What do you call that? Once qualified immunity is gone, we can finally prosecute these thousands of dirty cops.

[@spugesdu]

Probably my favourite thing in TLJ is Luke’s brief dissection of the Jedi’s legacy of failure. He’s so right. The Jedi at their height were so self-absorbed with hypocrisy and hubris and so out of touch that they allowed Palpatine to rise right under their noses and wipe them out, almost forever. What he’s describing right there is the prequels, and I love that.

[@Jungoguy]

But when they do their job right, like Ashoka did, we see that they can help countless people.

[@BoisegangGaming]

@@Jungoguy Yes. And that's also what Luke does in the movie. The legacy of the Jedi is failure, yes, but it is to learn from that failure, not to ignore it. The Jedi can do good, yes, but they can also fail to do their duty, and the PT Jedi Order didn't learn until it was too late because they assumed they could do no wrong.

[@beneven-kesef5121]

it's my favorite part of the film too! I love that it concisely explains the point of those films to a lot of older fans that just thought george unintentionally wrote them as incompetent

[@jerdasaurusrex557]

Luke experienced the OT just like we did. The he learned about the prequels just like we did.

[@BleedingUranium]

@@beneven-kesef5121 Agreed! The way Luke summarizes it so perfectly in basically a single sentence was fantastic. It was really cool getting to see how someone in his position, growing up after all of those events would have understood them with just what he knows of and hindsight. This is then made worse for him when his attempt to restore the Jedi itself also backfires. It's something I really appreciate about TLJ Luke and his perspectives: He's not WRONG, but he's also viewing everything through a very jaded, cynical lens. It's another great example of the truth depending on one's point of view.

[@Jungoguy]

3:30- and that’s the beauty of Sidious’ plan. He’s mixing in the truth with falsehoods so that no one will be able to tell what’s a lie and what isn’t. The perfect lie

[@Xenomorphine]

Davide Malerba When has it ever been different?

[@Compucles]

That how the Devil works according to the Bible.

[@Xenomorphine]

Compucles It’s how politicians have always really functioned, period.

[@Sleeper800]

Star Wars: The Old Republic does a really good job exposing the hypocrisy of the Jedi. Playing as a light side Sith and trying to talk with Jedi only for them to break the Jedi code and attack you because "Sith bad" is honestly kind of hilarious.

[@ormapa1206]

Yes, the plan of Palpatine was excellent. His plan was always intended to let win the republic?

[@cameronpearce5943]

Intended, but I imagine he had contingencies for if the Separatists ended up being the better choice for him. He could just reign openly as Sidious or through the Sepritist counsel as puppet rulers. That would have freed up more of his time to work on other projects to increase his power in The Force.

[@rikuvakevainen6157]

@GeoAlfredo! yeah! And most of the separatist leaders were not humans.

[@jamesricker3997]

Actually was Darth Plaguis's plan to have the republic lose and forge a new Sith Empire out of the CIS.

[@xevious1538]

I'd imagine if the Jedi were open about Dooku helping create the clone army instead of being secretive about it, it would have caused the Republic to heavily protest against the war. Palpatine would have just let the separatist go to town on the Republic making the Jedi look like liars and traitors.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

2:06 The Mandalorian Wars is what happens when the Jedi don't get involved with a war, the Clone Wars is what happens when they do.

[@thirdplanet4471]

Damned if you do damned of you don't

[@mauriciofontes]

Exactly! It's an impossible situation. I believe that can only mean there is something fundamentally wrong with the Jedi code.

[@Compucles]

@Darth Sidious Perhaps, but the Senate and the common citizens would've had massive complaints of a different kind were the Jedi Order allowed to be a completely independent organization of super-powered beings without any outside oversight. Maybe they could've used some kind of Jedi Memory Modification on witnesses to create a masquerade like the Men in Black where most outsiders don't even know they exist aside from the occasional outlandish rumor, but that still doesn't solve the problem of what keeps them from eventually falling into widespread corruption without any outside checks on their power.

[@maxpower3990]

@Darth Sidious The Jedi had forgotten their purpose to obey the Will of the Force as the Sith had been hiding for millennia and started following the will of the Senate and the Republic. There would also have been a quid pro quo for Jedi assistance as the Republic had given the Jedi alot of ships both large and small to travel the galaxy and legal authority to recruit children to join their ranks. The temple on Corunscant would also have been worth billions of credits as it was a massive surface level building on the planet with the highest property prices in the galaxy. While the Jedi may have always had a temple on Corunscant it would have to have been constantly rebuilt as the building grew higher. This material assistance to the Jedi formed an obligation for the Jedi to assist the Republic whenever it asked which caused both organisations to be dependent on each other. This symbiotic relationship also evolved naturally over many millennia so would be hard to recognise as almost everyone would say "But that is what we have always done".

[@jarrodwilson3208]

Damn you are so right!! The Jedi cannot be involved in war. They are peacekeepers and peace isn’t achieved with violence or with apathy. You have to do something but what do you do?

[@AlRoderick]

You can also see the ways Palpatine could spin and change course if the people involved made different choices. If the Jedi had refused to be generals he could call that a betrayal of the republic, and because Dooku was a Jedi he could claim that the whole separatist crisis was a Jedi conspiracy and probably make that stick.

[@cameronpearce5943]

Wow. I'd never thought about Windu's character progression before but man that's depressing. Somebody who struggled so hard to be a paragon of the Jedi becoming more and more compromised. Had the war gone on, or had he survived Order 66 and Sidious, imagine what he would have become.

[@korkronwarlord]

Agreed and it is without a doubt another part of Sidious plan, to wear down and outrigh corrupt many of the jedi. Pong Krell is another good example of a jedi who went rogue as a direct result of the war.

[@ReySkywalker2]

I love how Palpatine is the mastermind of the Prequels, Originals and, now, Sequels. He is, and always will be, THE Star Wars villain, THE Big Bad.

[@jacobberg373]

As Sidious once said to Maul, there is only grand plan, His.

[@theflatsixth]

When did Star Wars Sequels exist lol?

[@doge8825]

@Elijah Neil sequels are great and you’re right. All the needed to do was have a 3 second shot of palpatine at the end of episode 8 and it would have been enough

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

There are no sequels. He died in battle of Endor.

[@tompearce5418]

It's the Palpatine Saga, not the Skywalker Saga.

[@EChacon]

Yoda: _"Begun, the Clone War has."_

[@cameronpearce5943]

Yoda - "Around the survivors, a perimeter, create!" CT-339 - "What?"

[@neilmurphy966]

The shroud of the dark side has fallen...

[@phantomsidious2934]

The Original Trilogy is the Best Star Wars, but the Prequel Era is, by far, the Most Interesting to Discuss

[@cameronpearce5943]

You're not wrong, and i like the prequels more than most. It's like a really interesting story that was just told kinda badly. Like if you had a friend give you the cliff-notes version of one of the greek epics or something. I recon the OT is the best told but most straight forward story (granted is codified a lot of the tropes it used), the Prequels had the most interesting story and some really ambitious ideas that didn't quite come together, and the Sequels I think did pretty well in both departments but without the cohesion between the movies that the other two trilogies had.

[@phantomsidious2934]

@@cameronpearce5943 i think a lot of prequel ideas paid off in the clone wars show more so, and revenge of the sith had many elements that tied things together well to, its episodes 1 and 2 that have trouble getting their points across for the most part

[@Sleeper800]

Let Dave Filoni and the Clone Wars team remake the prequels with the same story but the clone wars writing and characters.

[@phantomsidious2934]

@@Sleeper800 I was really hoping that would happen, but never say never, its always a possibility

[@ShadowDeist]

@@Sleeper800 not happening the clone wars FIXED the prequels problems anyway

[@jinkwon8410]

Sorry to suggest a video in this one, but. You know, with this beautiful dissection of Palp's plan, Star Wars Explained, I think you guys are able to talk about the morality and ethics of the Clone Army. It's like Rex said, "They don't want the war to happen, but without it, they wouldn't exist."

[@cameronpearce5943]

Even Droid armies too. They're played for comedic relief but that they're not just soulless killing machines always made me feel bad that all they knew was to hold a blaster and get shredded by lightsabers. Even Droids being subservient. At some point I hope we get a droid uprising, and I also wanna see more of Rex during the time after Episode III with his confrontation with Cody and his reunion with Wolfe and Greggor

[@Testtube27]

One of the best parts of Last Jedi is Reys second lesson where Luke basically comes to the same conclusion, the Jedi failed to prevent the rise of Palpatine due to their own hubris

[@user-xx6vy9ri8p]

What does they have to do with his own failures? And if they failed to stop the Sith, that means Sith are worse, right? Why doesn't he care about Kylo, Snoke and Palpatine?

[@tompearce5418]

They weren't exactly complicit in Palpatine's rise. They obeyed the call to war even though they were law enforcement officers instead of trained and qualified military leaders because they were subservient to the Supreme Chancellor of the Republic. They should have taken the same stance as Padme Amidala - that the Separatists were trying to break away from a big taxing galactic government that offered very little in the way of public services, and that the right course of action was to negotiate reforms to the Republic itself. However as public servants the Jedi didn't pass this bit of insight on to the Senate, whose Core World members had too much to lose by embarking on those reforms. Realistically the Jedi died because they were tools of an interstellar government that no longer had any appeal for the outer planets.

[@darthchu48darth92]

When you realize you probably should have read your owners manual on your intergalactic clone army.

[@olioscar]

One thing I think that goes unappreciated in rise of skywalker is that palpatine basically started a second clone war. The first order builds ships, amasses troops, tests smaller forms of planet killers. All attention is on the first order, and with snoke leading them in palpatines place, no one even thinks for a second something far more sinister is at play. All the while, he’s manipulating kylo into bringing Rey to exegol. It’s the perfect culmination of everything he learnt in the previous films!

[@cameronpearce5943]

Ploys within plans within smokescreens. Sidious knew how to play the galaxy like a harp from hell

[@Triannosaurus]

Too bad it was executed very poorly and was a last minute idea that didn’t mix well with the rest of the new trilogy. The prequels are a lot more in depth than the new trilogy.

[@olioscar]

@@Triannosaurus I disagree. how palpatine returned is eluded to in ROTS and his hand being involved in the first is hinted at with snoke. how talks, operates, behaves- even the emperors theme is played when he interrogates rey. theres even what I think we can consider a final order star destroyer prototype can be seen in episode 3 with the ventral cannon venator.

[@ItsLeyland]

Being a nerd and liking Star Wars out of the way, it has always been an interesting political study to me

[@obsidian53-b32]

Final Year of the Clone Wars: "Your probably better off down here , with the Jedi running around, starting wars". Five years after the rise of the Empire: "The Jedi are not yet lost. Hope is not yet lost."

[@williamcream6124]

Obsidian 53-B I think it was kind of a matter of people believed in what the Jedi stood for, but not so much as the institution

[@michaelramon2411]

The grass is always greener on the other side...

[@beneven-kesef5121]

these are two separate groups of people. The people who formed the rebel alliance knew the jedi weren't evil. and others probably began to see that to an extent with how authoritarian the empire was

[@justinjeffries1554]

I found this out yesterday, but when Palpatine asks in the novelization if it was illegal to be a Sith in the Republic...the answer is yes. It was added in after the Ruusan reformation and Mace had EVERY legal right to execute him without trial.

[@Sunflorazumarill]

Another thing to bring up is how their attempt to apprehend Palpatine was basically a Morton's Fork. Fail to do so, and the Jedi are branded as traitors and Order 66 happens. Succeed in arresting him and the Senate would see it as a coup, Palpatine would've gotten off light (as Mace put it, he has both control of the Senate and the courts), and he would've executed Order 66 anyway.

[@designjobber]

I've always liked the prequels and the clone wars era for this very reason. It's not talked about enough how well planned the story is even if the acting and characters weren't always of the highest quality. I always thought the main focus of the war was to easily allow republic troops and influence to spread further in the galaxy under the guise of protection from the separatists. Playing both sides as Palpatine does he manages to increase his sphere of influence easily by using the separatists to direct the republic forces into areas they wouldn't have been able to occupy without a war. Thus creating a huge Empire to rule when it came to the final act. It's a great plot and is borrowed from history in many ways which makes it even better in my opinion.

[@tompearce5418]

Plus over the course of the war more and more functions of government are concentrated in the office of the Supreme Chancellor to facilitate the war effort.

[@matthewneugebauer4325]

The focus of this video is spot on. It wasn't as much about Sheev Palpatine gaining political power; it was about Darth Sidious wiping out the Jedi to grasp a monopoly on the Force.

[@MickeyMouse-ef4ez]

Also I would love to see a trilogy of movies based of Palpatine's origin, his rise, as a senator, chancellor, and then emperor and all from his point of view.

[@cameronpearce5943]

That would be awesome. I hope we get something like that in the future. Seems like something we might see one day. Maybe as a series or a comic even

[@reececowell6642]

I think that's better suited to a book

[@proto303]

Reece Cowell I think that kinda happened with Plagueis, but that on is legends

[@Jedi_Knigga]

We got a Han Solo movie before a Darth Vader or Sheev Palpatine standalone movie... Let that sink in

[@reececowell6642]

@@Jedi_Knigga Vader has so many stories, they would eventually end up tredding the same ground.

[@mr.j2494]

As keeper of the peace you have to be neutral. So the biggest mistake was the strong connection between the Jedi and the Republic.

[@tompearce5418]

Yes but the taxpayer funding is so good. You can't maintain a Grand Temple and ten thousand monks on private donations after all.

[@FireheartSamurai]

Luke was right, about the Jedi of the Prequels due to Palpatine’s planning. Also I do agree the Jedi of the Clone Wars were in a lose-lose situation to. But there’s good examples of Jedi from that time period such as Qui-Gon Jin & Ahsoka Tano.

[@maxpower3990]

It's not a lose-lose situation. The Jedi shouldn't have been the defenders of the Republic, they are supposed to be warriors for the Force. Their job is not supposed to prolong the life of the Republic our of habit but identify and destroy evil and practitioners of the Dark Side. Letting the Separatist leave the Republic and found their own Government/s is the way out of the trap. If the Republic is to large, inefficient or corrupt to given itself then it must fall and be replaced by something that can. And like the fall of empires on our own Earth what fills the gap is usually better. Their was a Master Vao in the Clone Wars comics who first said this to Master Windu.

[@tompearce5418]

Ironically the best Jedi were the outsiders who criticised the Order without having or accepting any real responsibility for running it.

[@timefly4221]

Even after the Clone Wars, the corruption of the Jedi continued. Obi Wan and Yoda are both convinced that Luke must fight and kill Vader; only Luke had faith to believe that sacrificing himself instead of fighting would redeem Anakin and destroy the Emperor.

[@superspies32]

Also previously when confront Anakin, Obi-Wan said that he loyal to the democracy and Republic. Its a fatal flaw because Jedi believed in The Force, not political ideology. Then he proceed to light up his lightsaber, shown that the teaching turned them to Sith more than Sith and make Anakin aggro. Everything can be salvaged if he just keep talking to Anakin to show him that his vision actually the projection of his fear and Sidious's manipulation. In Star Wars: Rebels Obi-Wan can easily explained to Ezra that the vision that led him to Tatoonie come from his concern and Maul's manipulation. In the end, by throwing his lightsaber away, Luke drag Anakin back by showing that he will not abandoned him even how evil he has and give him the chance to save the one he love. Its also influence Luke in Legends to form a new Order far away from New Republic and taught Padawans how to control their emotions instead of suppress it.

[@tompearce5418]

Yoda and Obi-Wan basically groomed the Skywalker twins to kill Darth Vader because the Emperor was too well guarded and they didn't believe Anakin could be redeemed. God forbid the two Jedi should team up and take Darth Vader down themselves, of course. Even though the duel between Vader and Obi-Wan in the Kenobi series shows that the pair could have managed it together.

[@StingTheThird]

I always thought the Separatist were made up of worlds that would oppose Palpatine's seizure of power. So he forced them into war to weaken them making his ascension easier. Same with Mandalore. Supporting Deathwatch drove that planet into a crisis it never recovered from.

[@tompearce5418]

The Confederacy were outer planets that joined during the High Republic era and decided to break away because the galactic government demanded taxation from them without offering any real benefits. Count Dooku and the Trade Federation organised them into a cohesive political movement under Sidious's direction, and the Republic wanted to maintain control of them because it had grown dependent on their resources and revenue. After the Clone Wars the Empire assumed control of these territories, appointing Grand Moff Tarkin to brutally crush any resistance. Ironically Tarkin's methods inspired the Rebellion, both among the outer planets and sympathetic Core World elites from places like Alderaan and Chandrila.

[@cryptoenthusiast724]

Thank you ''Star Wars Explained'' you inspired us to start our KZbin Journey!🙏

[@dreademperor2094]

@@peskyseagull a flaw many youtubers who make the same mistake

[@erickaelin5420]

@StarWarsExplained, your videos are always very helpful and comprehensive and are a great SW resource. But there's something else I think you could do for avid SW fans. I would really like to see you do video reviews and commentaries on fan Star Wars books, short stories, and films (perhaps like once a month, choosing the most creative stories that your fans send you in a PM) . I have a general feeling that " fan fiction" is underrated and ignored, and that fan authors would love for more people to read/watch their appreciative augmentations to that wonderful galaxy, far, far away.

[@erickaelin5420]

And artwork. Fan artwork can be very good

[@zachvetter6769]

At the beginning of the Clone Wars; the jedi only had one option that would have been ideal to choose. The unspoken choice of giving the Knights and Masters the right to choose for themselves whether or not to lead soldiers into war.

[@brandonmadigan7523]

Palpatine knew he had won when the Jedi began issuing Orders to the clones instead of asking the Clones how they could help.

[@EntertainmentMan132]

Very good analysis, Palpatine really knows how to play the long game. Wasn't crazy about the GoT spoiler (I'm only on season 3) but I get that it was meant as a point of comparison.

[@Jedi_Knigga]

Palpatine won as soon as the Jedi became war generals. Dude played them like chess pieces

[@brickflyersmoothy8637]

OMG, I just realized that Palpatine realky was a genius! A super, super evil genius with such an evil master plan! Just the concept it self really feels like, a man who really knows about the jedi and their feelings stands behind all of this! Incredibly evil!

[@leoncarrillo89]

I think that by the Jedi were already doomed in the long run even if Windu had defeated/killed Palpatine. The Jedi Order had lost their way by the end of the Clone Wars, and the new generations would be trained/raised without the core values that made the Jedi a Jedi.

[@AkiraSpectrum]

Fantastic video. Really appreciate your take on this, especially the idea that the Jedi were in a ' catch 22' situation of sorts. Moreover, I think pointing out the downward-path taken by the Jedi--who once would not dream of executing someone without trial, end up overturning their own code of ethics.

[@twstf8905]

Awesome breakdown, as usual, Alex. 🤜💥🤛

[@benjamincutts6949]

Its interesting to think about what would have happened had the Jedi chosen to not get involved in the war

[@noahhenson1669]

Bloody superb and on-point analysis.

[@ForTheBacon]

This was the genius of Palpatine... and then he goes and announces to the galaxy he has killer SDs before they're even ready

[@pout6038]

well, no, Hux tells the resistance and he's a spy. Palpy just says "Hey everyone, i'm back, you're all dead", doesn't tell them anything about where he is or what his exact plans are.

[@99jarjarbinks]

Bravo! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Can we all appreciate just how awesome Alex and Mollie are?

[@ericpickett4387]

I normally do not comment on KZbin videos but, man, this was a great video and explanation!

[@TheHallow31]

I wouldn't say that the Galaxy turned against the Jedi "quickly". We can see the seeds of anti-Jedi sentiment as far back as Episode I with how the Neimoidians regard the presence of Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon with fear. By Episode II, we see this same fear and resentment in average galactic citizens. From the Dug on Coruscant calling Obi-Wan "Jedi poodoo", to the droid waitress in Dex's Diner saying "Someone to see you, hun! Jedi by the looks of him...", to Watto saying "Whatever it is, I didn't do it!" upon realizing he's face-to-face with a Jedi. It probably didn't help that the on-going Separatist Crisis was being led by Count Dooku, an ex-Jedi. Seeing the Jedi essentially leading the Clone Wars in the eyes of the Galaxy only further confirmed their fears and suspicions and amplified them a thousand fold. To many, if not most citizens, for those who even knew they existed, the Jedi were a secretive and weird religious cult who held too much power in the Republic.

[@superspies32]

Lores in both Cannon and Legend provided additional infornation about Jedi Order before Phanton Menance. Basically they are sone kind of police deployed by The Senate to uphold their benefits. Which lead to the fanatic anti-Jedi Grevious.

[@RideDatDonkey97]

Very well put

[@conorb7094]

Great video!

[@8Amonths45]

I’m Japanese and a huge fan of STARWARS. In Japan, Clone Wars series(season 7)are available for watching on Disney plus. However, we Japanese can’t watch all the new CW animations cuz it is so slow to deliver them. That’s why I still don’t know the end of CW. I’m now looking forward to watching it. I’m not that good at English, so I’m thinking about studying English harder and wanna be able to easily understand what you say about STARWARS😂

[@cameronpearce5943]

That's awesome :)

[@mauriciofontes]

I'm also not a native English speaker, and Star Wars has been helping me improve my English for decades! :-)

[@Boristien405]

It's funny some Americans try to learn some Japanese to understand anime/manga while in Japan some people try to learn English to watch things like Star Wars

[@BleedingUranium]

@@Boristien405 I think that says something wonderful about how universal storytelling is. Even if we speak and write different languages, we all *communicate and experience* things in the same human way.

[@8Amonths45]

Cameron Pearce Thank you!

[@roguestar8]

Brilliant analysis!

[@beneven-kesef5121]

I think you absolutely nailed it

[@scruffd0g193]

Darth Vader always had some good left in his heart, Darth Sidious was pure evil, this is what always makes Vader killing him in order to save his son so great.

[@underworld323]

Palpatine deserves a big W because of how perfect his plan was. Maul, Dooku, and many others try warning the Jedi and they didn't really listen or care. Not until it was too late to stop him.

[@joseluis5055]

"Oh, brilliant. Brilliant." -Maul

[@MickeyMouse-ef4ez]

Also can u imagine if we saw a trilogy of movies based on the end of the 1,000 year war and the birth of the Second Republic.

[@Jungoguy]

The what now?

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

Pretty sure an underrated part of the plan that people talk about is the Separatists. The Galactic Republic and the Jedi Order kept making the choices that led to their downfalls, but the Separatist Military were the ones who kept presenting these choices and pressuring them to make the ones that were made. Dooku forming the CIS in the first place, forming the military out of the security forces of major corporations, the large list of war crimes including the atrocity that led to the Jedi ordering the assassination of Dooku, and sabotaging any attempts between the factions to be peaceful like the first peace negotiations or the neutrality of the Banking Clan. It always seems a little hypocritical for Separatists post-Clone Wars to say the Empire is proof that Dooku was right about the Republic because they’re the ones that kept making it happen, or rather Dooku and the military. Blowing up the Coruscant Grid, killing Mina Bonteri, and temporarily taking over the Banking Clan. All of which pushed the Republic towards becoming the Empire. Just for the record, the blame is being pinned on Dooku and the military, including the Separatist Council. The Separatist Parliament/Senate along with the civilian populace on the other hand are more innocent. I have a hard time believing they knew what their army and navy was doing on the frontlines. Partially due to Dooku controlling the Shadowfeed and partially because they had so much faith in Dooku. I mean, they gave the guy a humanitarian award after he ordered a massacre of civilians evacuating from a war zone. Clearly that means they never believed any news about Dooku being a monster. In a sense, the Separatists were a sort of prototype for the Galactic Empire. Too much trust in the government and too much empowerment of the military. I wouldn’t be surprised if the leaders of the Empire secretly respected the more cruel aspects of the Separatists.

[@kimwelch4652]

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." -- Yoda.

[@ChillinWithTheCapuchins]

All of this is why I love the prequel era so much. Yes it has its many faults, but there is also a lot of intriguing story telling, world building, and nuance that draws me in and keeps me deeply invested.

[@boreussimius1100]

Even abstaining from the Clone Wars, which arguably would have been the true Jedi path, would have backfired. They would have been seen as abandoning the galaxy in its time of need. The Jedi had literally no way of winning at all.

[@steadyjumper3547]

The clone wars is basically just child soldiers fighting drones both being controlled by an old politician.

[@BowlofIndoMee]

Everyone fall when they are stretched and stressed out. Palpatine is genius to put the Jedi in this trap

[@LTDLimiTeD1995]

The Darth Bane Trilogy, while not canon, also sets up this notion as well.

[@UraiFen44444444]

Nice Video :)

[@thesharpercoder]

The novelization of Revenge of the Sith drives home the point of Palpatine’s strategy was “win-win”. This means setting up scenarios where the Jedi were faced with two bad choices. Alex described one such choice: joining the Clone War and betraying their principles, or sitting out the Clone War and betraying the citizens of the Republic.

[@whitleybayman123]

nailed it mate

[@davidty2006]

Has no one considered about the jedi being more like advisers instead of staying out the war all together or being generals?

[@reymondvillasenor7817]

Feel that is happening right now

[@calebgraham6166]

Qui Gon Jinn is the best example of a Jedi. If Qui Gon Jinn had lived things would've gone differently and there would've been no war.

[@macwade2755]

Palpatine is a brilliant villain!

[@MickeyMouse-ef4ez]

Or a cartoon show based on the people of the separatist confederacy. We saw the leaders of the confederacy but rarely do we saw alien citizens perspective of the clone wars not just humans. Of course excluding Mina Bonteri

[@sebastjankoracin7774]

I think that the biggest point of the clone wars was to flush out all the enemies and eliminate them at once yes Palpatine basically created a proxy war but that was done so many times in history because the conflict would occur sooner or later he just sped it up and in doing so eliminated all the potential challengers to his power and i hate when people call him evil incarnate for that basically every other ruler in history did something like that usually on a smaller scale but it still happened

[@skakoanscarecrow9830]

Another thing to note about the Clone Wars as a grand evil plan is why so many CIS higher ups were awful people despite their stated lofty ideals. It's like that by design-it equates dissent from the governing body with atrocity. "What, you don't like the Emperor's policies? What are you, a separatist?"

[@Toshineko]

That's why Palpatine is the GOAT of Star Wars villain. He was a master manipulator and strategist. Not to mention, a patient one. He is also the most influential one too. Without him, there wouldn't be a Clone War and no Rebels vs Empire, and thus, no Darth Vader.

[@spectreshadow]

Sidious took playing the long game to its ultimate conclusion.

[@DCUniverse816]

Could you make another such video about the battle for Naboo?

[@georgekuttysebastian1412]

He used me and my brothers. What was the point of the war for us

[@wizardwolf1020]

It’s crazy how so many in universe characters believed the Clone Wars was about the Republic Separatists when in reality, it was all a Sith plot to destroy the Jedi and everyone and everything else was simply just part of the plot. In a way, practically all the big galactic plots was about the Jedi and Sith in the end, they were always at the center of it with factions backing them up and whichever side won in the end would control the galaxy with their supporters gaining from it.

[@johntrevy1]

What would have happened if instead of trying to assassinate Palpatine, the Jedi council praised the chancellor for his great job and leadership during the Clone Wars?

[@AllPureSkill]

Added to the playlist, yeah Jedi were in something they couldn't win

[@Triannosaurus]

This is why whenever someone says the prequels were bad, I just think they didn’t really understand the plot and small details that tied the two trilogies together.

[@darthtrooper9897]

Question for anyone: who knew Palapintine was Sidous like did the galaxy know by the sequel era

[@FireheartSamurai]

There’s some stories that showed people who knew Palaptine’s secret identity. A rebel spy knows but I forgot his name. But Palpatine’s Red Royal Guards, Mas Amedda, Sly More, Palaptine’s advisors, maybe Bail Organa & Mon Mothma, & Maul. Other than that we don’t know who else knew Palpatine’s secret identity.

[@darthtrooper9897]

@@FireheartSamurai Eneb Ray is the spy u refer to I think. He's the one that raided sunspot to kill prisoners.

[@FireheartSamurai]

Yeah him, his name slipped my mind when answering your question from 5 months ago.

[@dragonseer6667]

He also wanted to make anakin turn to the dark side through the clone wars.

[@DCUniverse816]

How about you make a video about how Rey’s Jedi order might turn out compared to both the the prequel era and Luke’s era.

[@Mr.CurlyLoxJr]

Not the chancellor, A SITH LORD

[@Compucles]

I still say there were plenty of things the Jedi could've done during the Clone Wars without becoming full blown soldiers. They could've still been sent on defensive, rescue, and investigative/spy missions where they would've still fought the Separatists when necessary. They could've still been sent to personally handle dangerous opponents like Grievous, Ventress, and Dooku himself. Some like Obi-wan could still be sent on diplomatic missions. Meanwhile, they needed to put their full resources behind uncovering the identity of Maul's and Dooku's Master.

[@adamminifie]

Hello Still? Wow Your still here? I am wasting your time! WHY ARE YOUR STILL HERE!? You are strong with the force, May The Force Be With You, Always.

[@justcallmeSheriff]

I think the distinction between the Sith and Jedi becomes obvious when you ask yourself, "Which group has members that are willing to die for the average citizen of the galaxy?" We constantly see Canon and Legends Jedi willing to risk their lives to save citizens, clone troopers, and even their enemies. Meanwhile Sith are constantly tossing others into the line of fire to shield themselves, and clearly believe that they are at the top of the galaxy's hierarchy. It's no mistake that George Lucas purposely clothed the Jedi in drab tunics so that they can walk among the people and not stand out. In contrast, Sith are decked out in the finest clothing money can buy to blend in among the galactic elite, or all black when assassinating key leaders to sow confusion.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Game of what now?

[@c3po184]

Did the galaxy ever find out that Palpatine played both sides? Or did only a few people know.

[@bustosadrian]

Palpie is the GOAT

[@MickeyMouse-ef4ez]

First! Also I live in georgia just like y'all!

[@SupremeMoose]

"both ultimately killed by proteges in moves they didn't see coming" yeah...

[@RAYoung-ie3cf]

The Jedi should have decentralized their temple well before the prequels, instead opting for numerous smaller sites spread throughout the galaxy. It wouldn't surprise me if that was how it was during the High Republic and that certain events led them to cluster up on Coruscant.

[@chrisjulien7698]

Christ bless you, love these short explanations

[@TyGuy427]

I suppose the question now is why did the Jedi join the republic in the first place?

[@legomyeggo5706]

The Jedi order had lost there way. They had not fought the sith in so long they did not know how to deal with war. Their ideals suited small events but when the galaxy burst into a war zone they had forgotten who they truly were and how they were supposed to act. The civilians had not seen the Sith in 1000 years, they had nothing to compare the Jedi to. They saw the jedi as warriors, but because there were not visibly truly evil people they thought that the Jedi were the only very powerful corrupt people arround. Had there been sith the people would have seen the good side of the Jedi but because there was no darkness to shadow the Jedi's hypocrasy, they only saw what the Jedi did wrong. Palpatine used this. He was a truly evil person but his genius was only ever challenged by one man who was under him. Thrawn. Thrawn was a geniuos but i believe Palpatine used his circumstances to complete his goals. I can compair this to our history, in the 1600's the Spanish used the Native American's inner conflict to their gain. They did not know that just them coming in contact with the Natives would help destory them, and after many centuries there are very few natives who practices the arts of there ancestors, there are very few who speak the origional Native tounges, there are none who remember a time when the Europeans were not here. Palpatine knew who to manipulate, he knew who to come in contact with, for any common person, this plan would have taken centuries to formulate, and it work with the complete success it did for Palpatine. He managed to start a war, make two armies one nobody knew about, give one to the spereatists, give the other to the Republic, have his aprentice rule the one side and him the other, he managed to stay in office long past his term, decrease the number of jedi by many thousands, create many pawns for his gain, put the galaxy on edge, and then in the very end, destroy all his rivals, get a new more powerful apprentice, create a planet killing machine, rid the galaxy of most of its jedi, gain the favor of the entire galaxy, and rule it with an Iron fist for more than 15 years. But then the great mastermind had a flaw, he thought he could replace Vader with Luke and that brought his downfall. But then he transferred concience conpletely controlled snoke, had the first order created, created the final order and nearly recontrolled the galaxy, but then he made a mistake again, dont doubt a skywalker, or a good Palpatine. He made some major mistakes but in the end was a very smart but evil man. I do hate his guts, and his very existance, but you must give credit where credit is due

[@kiarash608]

Palpatine has a plan Palpatine always has a plan

[@Frost4Real]

So then the counter-question - why was everyone then so happy to have a Jedi save them in the OT? Surely when Obi-Wan ignited his saber in Mos Eisely he woulda been thrown out or worse, Luke would be discouraged from becoming a Jedi, and when ppl like Lando and Han learned of Luke becoming/being a Jedi, they wouldn't want to be near him - all if the legacy of the Jedi had been so tarnished after the clone wars. What changed?

[@imc4376]

Hello there

[@MickeyMouse-ef4ez]

Also I really wonder what life was like in the Second Republic( by which I mean the old republic btw) were aliens alienated discriminated the first republic because it had a strict social class? Was that why a new republic was born?

[@krautsurfa]

why did papa palp slowly replace the clone army with his stormtroopers instead of giving them real soldier work instead of lower military work?