The Politicisation of Electric Cars - Dead End or Death Sentence?

[@jamesgrover2005]

I filled in your questionnaire recently and i have to say, I don't see the same negativity here in the Netherlands, even if the fossil fuel industry wins small battles, it is going to lose this war, this is a fight to the death... Theirs.

[@alanhat5252]

Does Wilders agree with you or is he too busy looking for places to hide money?

[@ramblerandy2397]

Here's a little story. I was in NL and mostly Amsterdam in October 2023 to view the Fully Charged Show event at the RAI. The Netherlands is awash with BEVs, especially in Amsterdam. Half the taxis are BEVs. I talked with the drivers, they adored their BEVs. They were so trouble free and cheap to run. One owner/driver with an elderly Tesla Model S said he'd had it from new and couldn't bear to part with it, although he would eventually get a Model Y. And btw, the public transport infrastructure is also excellent. So that was the Netherlands. I got back in the UK and the first taxi driver who picked me up asked where I'd been and I told him. Straight up, his next statement was, "I don't think they'll catch on, do you?" I was so dumb struck by the ignorance I just answered, "probably not." And that's what programming by propaganda does to a person, instead of first hand experience. That UK driver will lose £1000s upon £1000s before he wakes up.

[@foppo101]

Had a walk yesterday like i do every day .Retired 75 years old.You can hear the cars going by the noise and the dirt coming out of the exhaust.It is an out dated technology it had its day and we have to move on.I live in the Eat riding of Yorkshire .UK.I am waiting for my first E.V this year better late than never.

[@kalebdaark100]

*Waves to a fellow East riding resident* 👋😁

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Power to you! 67 year old retired living in France here... got my EV in 2019, over 100,000 km of cheap, enjoyable trouble free driving, 80% of it powered by the solar panels on my roof. Enjoy your EV..😊

[@pauls3075]

Judging by your inability to type a simple English sentence on a keyboard, you probably should not be driving at 1.5 Tonne car near other people at your age. Your abilities are clearly impaired and you are probably unaware of it.

[@stevenjones916]

Try not to get hit by the electric cars you DON'T hear coming.

[@kalebdaark100]

@@stevenjones916 You know that EV's have had to make a noise, by law, in order to alleviate safety fears since July 2019 don't you?

[@RichardBacon-h5x]

Great pod cast. One thing that is missing is nothing on targetting the new generation of kids coming through the education system. Get into schools, get your story out to the kids. I talk to my 4.5yr old grand daughter about how charging my car works and I let her press the charge button on the app to demistify it and to my 15yr old grand daughter about how she should seek jobs in the new green industries. Convert the youth, the oldies (me) are too set in their ways.

[@EcoFP33]

I agree. My own kids don't want ICE and font have the memories of changing gear so don't miss it at all

[@parksmush]

​@@EVRealFacts- you don't believe in educating kids?

[@alanhat5252]

​@@parksmushof course he does - with disinformation & conspiracy theories 😢

[@LadAussie]

the age of the voting population is shifting and in many countries over the next few years we will see the number of "young" people who are can't get a leg up outnumbering the "old" who like the status quo. They have little no loyalty and will vote with whomever benefits them and their future the most.

[@klaxoncow]

"New ideas don't succeed, they just wait for the old ideas - and their proponents - to die off"

[@kieronimo1]

Newspapers should have to print the redaction at the same size and on the same page as the original story. Thus, front page lies should be front page redactions. This would be fair and might actually reduce the lies.

[@robinhood4640]

It seems so obvious it's ludicrous that it isn't already an obligation. It's the same with fining a company 10 million for unlawful behaviour that earned them benefits of 400 Million. Our governments are a joke, they are pathetic. Do they actually think they can solve our problems, by doing things that encourage them? Are they really that stupid?

[@ndudman8]

:) never will, and most of the papers/media are full lies and twisting and manipulation... run by largely 1 group of people ? makes you wonder what they are upto ?

[@reubenwilkinson6493]

exactly right, otherwise the retraction is pointless

[@ndudman8]

@@reubenwilkinson6493 and my comments to this thread were deleted because I noticed that a 1-5 % minority control that loverly media... and we can't talk about it. I only knew that it was deleted because I came back to reply to this, and saw the message gone... How youtube protects free speech :)

[@alanhat5252]

This was one of many recommendations in part 1 of the Leveson Enquiry which were never implemented. Part 2 was canceled. 😢

[@redshift3]

Who remembers all the vitriol directed against compact fluorescent lamps and early LED lamps? It's history now

[@carlainscough6065]

Let's be honest, they were crap!!

[@redshift3]

@@carlainscough6065 yes they were crap, but the Nissan Leaf first edition was also a bit crap. Things move on

[@t1n4444]

@@redshift3 Quite so. Good point. So we'll be welcoming more hydrogen fuel cell versions of an EV quite soon. Some might say not before time.

[@freeheeler09]

More accurate that the Leafs were good cars with mediocre batteries?

[@stevezodiac491]

LED's have improved EV's haven't, the very best and most expensive ones still only do about 1/3 rd of the range of an ice car at highway speeds ( fact ! )

[@garrycroft4215]

I’m 100% EV (my third). The biggest 2 stumbling blocks are related.. 1. Help for the 30% that can’t charge at home & 2. The hideous price of public charging v home charging.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

I agree. I live in France where public charging is a lot cheaper than in the UK. I'm shocked at the prices over there even accounting for the higher electricity prices generally compared to France the mark up is really taking the p*ss

[@Burtis89]

It's actually closer to 40%- 50% of homes that are unsuitable for home charging. Me included 😢 and that number is ever increasing with the amount of flats that get built. It should never cost more to 'run' the equivalent size car on electric Vs diesel/petrol. But guess in these early days the richer folks with driveways can feed the used market until the rest of us can afford something worth using

[@ianrob4760]

@@Burtis89 I am not rich, my house and where I live is below the West midlands average but we all have drives, mostly all converted front gardens. However for whatever % the answer is Street and lamp post 7KW charging and thats starting. As for flats, most here in Birmingham have no provision for cars. and where they do then communal chargers should be made standard.

[@Burtis89]

@@ianrob4760 yeah I was generalising as usually a house with a drive is more money and people with more disposable income are more likely to have solar, charger and EV, I'm in the South so everything is premium money property wise. I earn just below UK average and own a house cost £250k with no driveway leaving us with little extra money after the mortgage (£1100 a month). The on street parking is awful but is what it is lucky to park in the same road as the house 😅 If I sell up and move I'm 100% getting a driveway 😂 But yes I really want to go EV one day 👍

[@MyMateYourMate]

@@Burtis89 This is definitely true - those, not necessarily "rich" who have a drive will feed the growth model. The politicians then need to figure out infrastructure for roadside charging.

[@robertsieler2779]

As Robert once said:"First they ignore you, than they laugh at you, than they fight you... and than you win!" We are at the 3rd stage now. Looking foreward to winning ☺️

[@paulrobinson373]

like flat earth 👍

[@ndudman8]

@@paulrobinson373 and that Global warming is a con :)

[@steve_787]

@@paulrobinson373 I can't work out if you are saying the flat earthers are right or not 😉 Either way it gets settled in December with the "Final Challenge" to watch the 24hr sun in Antarctica with a Flat Earther (if they go and don't chicken out that is)

[@paulrobinson373]

@@steve_787 When you know you know 👍 😉

[@steve_787]

@@paulrobinson373 Well, they'll find out in December that it's a globe and then they can give up and join the rest of us back in reality 😉

[@brianholding4357]

What will kill the ICE car is the coming death of re-fuelling stations, as Evs increase more cars are driving past fuel stations, and many will close.

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

except that EVs appeal to people who don't drive much anyway, not a big loss.

[@RichM-zu3cb]

You guys have voice, get politicians to incentify us to make EVs and their car batteries part of the home energy solution, so we can save money and put energy into the grid. Keep up the good work...

[@mrslowly9985]

The gov doesn't want manufacturing in this country because making things especially batteries pumps a lot of pollutants out which contravenes their climate policy. Better off set our pollution to China and stay within target.

[@johnmightymole2284]

They have no influence on the government...yet...

[@alanhat5252]

When you can bung politicians a couple of hundred thousand quid or give them a "non-executive directorship" for life they'll listen to you 😢

[@alanhat5252]

Vote for candidates who can't be bought.

[@pstoneking3418]

My Ford lightning truck has worked out great for me. I bought it to use locally. Maximum round trip maybe 240 miles. I never use public chargers other than to use the free 250 kwh I received with my lightning. At $.08/kwh in the winter and $.12/kwh in the summer I couldn't even achieve that kind of economy with my 2018 prius which I normally got 50+ mpg. Lately even better because I've been charging my truck using my excess solar power that used to go to waste.

[@LowreyContractorsUK]

The Daily Mail made the story up. No surprise there then

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Well, they never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[@t1n4444]

No. The potholes story wasn't made up at all. There certainly was some spin to the story, without a doubt. However, if in the years to come, there are only battery vehicles and we are still experiencing potholes then what's your excuse? Do you see the flaw in your comment?

[@keithwillis5662]

How about badly maintained roads as the reason.

[@t1n4444]

@@keithwillis5662 😂😂😂😂 Yes, but how did the roads get damaged in the first place? Rural/suburban roads aren't built to the same spec as major roads. Granted HGVs take a toll but you don't see many in suburbia. Heavy vehicles cause the problem and a fair few heavy vehicles are battery EVs. As we transition to EVs then, to repeat, eventually the damage to roads will be caused by battery EVs. Presuming battery EVs are still a thing and still around that is.

[@timscott3027]

Almost all new cars are heavier than older models, EVs are also heavier than petrols on the whole like for like, but seeing as we have so few EVs on the road currently and we still have plenty of potholes I'm 100percent certain it's not the main issue. They are part of it yes but no more than many other cars. I would guess that underfunding of roads maintenance, and an increase of suvs and crossovers as well as all car weights is the main issue. I expect we will see EVs get lighter with time as charging availability is improved and there are more small cars with smaller batteries available.

[@markeggleton2981]

Keep up the great work guys. I have been driving electric since 2014 never going back to gas.

[@pstoneking3418]

Same here. I've just recently been doing most of my EV charging from solar. Not to mention I have pretty much zero maintenance.

[@clivethomas6864]

The cost of charging away from home is ridiculous 79 to 85p per kWh. I own a brilliant Zoe and always try to charge at a Tesla charger for at least half of that cost. Certain charging operators including Shell and BP are just extracting the urine.

[@jameschapman4824]

BP, Shell and the like are trying to protect their core business and profit margin that's why they charge the same as buying fuel from their petrol stations. IMHO

[@michaeldawson6309]

They are I agree. However for most new EV drivers they will very rarely use a public charger. However you are correct they are taking the piss. It will change with competition.

[@pstoneking3418]

I wouldn't have purchased my lightning if I had to depend on public chargers. My Ford lightning truck has worked out great for me. I bought it to use locally. Maximum round trip maybe 240 miles. I never use public chargers other than to use the free 250 kwh I received with my lightning. At $.08/kwh in the winter and $.12/kwh in the summer I couldn't even achieve that kind of economy with my 2018 prius which I normally got 50+ mpg. Lately even better because I've been charging my truck using my excess solar power that used to go to waste.

[@steve-r-collier]

its all about pricing the motorist off the road..15 min cities is their goal so its time we fought back against these anti freedom fascists

[@richardmyers9323]

Agree totally. I have always boycotted both BP & Shell EV chargers, and any which are ‘supported’ or partnered with. As far as I am concerned they are the problem not the solution and any part I can play in their demise makes me happy.

[@BillyBobSunshine]

One day, in the not too distant future, when most people are driving EVs, those with petrol and diesal cars will be the ones with range anxiety. This will happen as petrol stations won't be financially viable.

[@steve-r-collier]

thats because the powers that be will engineer fake price rises in fossil fuels..Gadaffi supplied his people with the cheapest fuel on the planet..and he got taken out

[@Mora41]

What a wondeful prediction on your part.. so very very true !

[@trevorberridge6079]

[10:35] Renewable Energy related issues are being weaponised because the status quo in many organisations and in particular the oil and car industries has been challenged successfully. In the past when the oil industry could throw money at a newspaper or a politician and completely squash information that was detrimental to shareholders the renewable movement was seen as a minor threat. But the footfall of people marching towards renewable energy means they can't be complacent any more. They have to fight or die and they've decided to fight dirty. People need to remember the one massive upside to Covid - less polluting vehicles on the roads and in the skies. It showed starkly how massive a difference it makes in a very short period of time. Cleaner air, quieter streets, less pollution, increased health, happier wildlife and on and on.

[@grumpyto5]

It’s about time us plebs took our anti EV politicians and stood them behind a running diesel/petrol car for a short while then stand them behind a switched on EV. They might then get the point EV’s don’t pollute the streets. I switched from a diesel C3 to a Nissan Leaf 6 years ago having realised how much pollution I was putting out of the exhaust of the C3 from seeing the cloud of smog in the following cars headlights.

[@ndudman8]

:) just wish its was all about pollution, and not the fake C02 global warming scam... had similar experience with a leaf 24 for the last 2 years, don't want to go back.

[@ndudman8]

@@AegisK Personally stil its better if the pollution is else where, perhaps filtered better... but we don't directly breath it etc... some improvement.

[@jamesgrover2005]

@@ndudman8 indeed, but still the pollution is far less. ICE are at best 25% efficient in real life conditions, EVs are about 80% and as electricity is more renewable based, the pollution and environmental degradation decreases.

[@ndudman8]

@@jamesgrover2005 Agreed, thats why I have ev:) and for anyone who can think they are getting there, and much better than ice.

[@michaeldawson6309]

Diesel for the retired is a really bad choice. Start stop and short journeys mean high costs for DPF issues. Diesel with DPF's is a scam. However EV is the answer they are just brill.

[@johnlodge8546]

I was at a DC Fast charger in Western New York, a Lucid owner pulled in. I asked him which Lucid it was, he told me a pure with 410 miles of predictive range. I then said to him that means combined driving including city and Highway driving. He then said, "Yes, I found that out. I took it to Boston and it "ONLY" managed 350 miles of range before it needed to be charged at 70 MPH. I now only drive it locally". 5 hours of driving before needing a charge, hell most anybody on that trip would have stopped before 5 hours for bathroom and maybe a meal stop.

[@antoinepageau8336]

We own two RWD model 3 with LFP batteries and drive over 100,000km / year combined and at 120 km/h we always get over 300 km range between charging stops which are only 15 minutes. There’s no reason to want more range IMO.

[@DanBurgaud]

Electricity is everywhere. You get one from an electric socket, or install solar and get it for free. BUT no matter how genius you are in chemistry, you cannot cook your own petrol in decent quantity at home to fuel your ICE car.

[@pstoneking3418]

My Ford lightning truck has worked out great for me. I bought it to use locally. Maximum round trip maybe 240 miles. I never use public chargers other than to use the free 250 kwh I received with my lightning. At $.08/kwh in the winter and $.12/kwh in the summer I couldn't even achieve that kind of economy with my 2018 prius which I normally got 50+ mpg. Lately even better because I've been charging my truck using my excess solar power that used to go to waste.

[@pstoneking3418]

Since I've been charging my EV from my excess solar power it's even more evident why not only oil producers but your local utility are going to fight against EV's. Solar panels and equipment sales will escalate.

[@simonreeves2017]

A very interesting conversation. I broadly agree with all the contributors here. There is a massive pushback from the vested interests in the fossil fuels industry, many people are being manipulated by this. When I got my EV in 2019, those around me thought I was brave and possibly a bit foolish. The sentiment has shifted to you’re making all the potholes, car parks will collapse, don’t park near my car because yours is going to burn with an unstoppable fire. Not everyone, but a significant few.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Interesting, but proof that the oil industry sponsored misinformation is getting into the heads of Joe Public....then again Boris got elected on 'Get Brexit Done' and the UK has been paying the price for that. In the Gullible versus Sceptics battles Gullible normally wins.

[@richardsmith7780]

West essex uk, all local public chargers are 85 to 93p per kwh and you have to pay car park charges whilst charging. Until there is sufficient competition or regulations regarding public charging the average motorist who does not have off street parking will be priced out and stick to ice. We need focus on car companies producing lower cost normal sized cars for the masses instead of nonsense £100k massive off roaders. We need one method of paying for public charging instead of the complete mess we have now. We need grants for charger installs at home and to be compulsory on all new builds. This platform should be used to lobby in that direction.

[@jimsouthlondon7061]

The Climate Act was voted through with no proper debate in Parliament.Now we’ve got an election and we’re getting a proper cost benefit analysis debate on it now . As someone who loves EVs and loves democracy good finally at last. Well done Reform well done Fullycharged. ❤🇬🇧🇺🇸👍

[@trevorberridge6079]

Reform are not one bit interested in democracy or the environment. They are a feeble attempt to look like a competent alternative to the two party system despite being composed of members who have never been in support of fair representation. Take your trolling bot nonsense and go away!

[@DavidPlayfair]

I will vote for Reform UK, but just wish they'd get away from their anti-EV stance. Maybe the fact that Richard Tice drives an EV means that attitude will change in the future.

[@trevorberridge6079]

@@DavidPlayfair Why would anyone vote for a party that embraces Nigel Farage? Never mind that they are just a feeble offshoot of the disastrous Tory party.

[@carlainscough6065]

First EV on order, can't wait to get it!!

[@mahargrekab]

Had my EV 6 months now, & Love it, and I tell anyone who’ll listen… allll about it!😁

[@michaelfields8981]

Thank you, three fine gentlemen, for your efforts. I shall share this with my friends to help spread the word. My own home battery and BEV will be coming next year. Let's keep this Green Growth going!

[@pauls3075]

You keep charging your car (made with oil based machinery) from a coal / oil / gas power station and keep kidding yourself you are green.😂😂

[@pauls3075]

@@oddjobsandrandomprojects You seem to have a problem comprehending simple English. At no point did I say "oil is not a good environmental choice". Another Cathy Newman wannabe (so you are saying ...).

[@pstoneking3418]

​@@pauls3075My Ford lightning truck has worked out great for me. I bought it to use locally. Maximum round trip maybe 240 miles. I never use public chargers other than to use the free 250 kwh I received with my lightning. At $.08/kwh in the winter and $.12/kwh in the summer I couldn't even achieve that kind of economy with my 2018 prius which I normally got 50+ mpg. Lately even better because I've been charging my truck using my excess solar power that used to go to waste.

[@pstoneking3418]

​@@oddjobsandrandomprojectsMy Ford lightning truck has worked out great for me. I bought it to use locally. Maximum round trip maybe 240 miles. I never use public chargers other than to use the free 250 kwh I received with my lightning. At $.08/kwh in the winter and $.12/kwh in the summer I couldn't even achieve that kind of economy with my 2018 prius which I normally got 50+ mpg. Lately even better because I've been charging my truck using my excess solar power that used to go to waste.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@pauls3075 - energy generation round the world is going renwable at a faster rate than electric adoption, many places including the UK generate more electricity through renewables then fossil fuels. So no charging a car, particularly at home on green tariffs or from own solar panels, is not running a car on fossil fuels. In terms of EVs being made through oil based machinery, this also is using the energy from the same green generation transition, but even if made with fossil fuels once off the production line BEVs the burning stops unlike petrol/deisel that continue to burn stuff for the rest of their lives.

[@mattsheard2708]

Great discussion. A few points. Recently bought a used Leaf, 25k on the clock, £15k to buy. Its great to drive and my partners 100 mile round trip commute costs £2 for fuel. It feels like the 21st century. We know ICE is a legacy tech maybe EV marketing could exploit this. One thing I disagreed on was your concensus that people will be able to drive ICE for years to come. But as demand for diesel & petrol drops the supply infrastructure will contract and buying those fuels will become harder and harder, and much more expensive. I was surprised that you didn't mention the tying of electrify prices to gas prices which means in the UK we're not feeling the economic benefit of the low cost of renewables. This needs to change.

[@ndudman8]

more wind farms etc will just push prices up... see Paul Burgess who's active trying to explain this to Isle of Man gov and people write now... as they are trying to push wind, and exaggerating the benefits and potential.

[@timmurphy5541]

@@ndudman8 I think that such a claim deserves at least a fig leaf explanation. How could more wind power be undesirable?

[@rhesarozendaal]

Exactly. You can still drive around with horse and carriage, but finding feeding stations along the route isn't trivial.

[@jsanders100]

Humm, sounds like my leaf, so why is the trade in value £8500?

[@rogerphelps9939]

Absolutely. it is scandalous that running a heat pump causes the emission of at most half and often a lot less than half he CO2 emissions per kwh of heat compared with burning natural gas. Unfortunately the price of electricity is tied to that of gas and rigged so that it is rarely cheaper to run a heat pump.

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

Had my ev for 4 years and it's just a car. Just does the job.

[@LarryRichelli]

This happening in the USA to a larger extent as we have fewer EV companies and EV models because of the tariffs that has been put in place towards China. All this tariff is doing is allowing the American auto makers to languish in their development of new EV technology

[@springford9511]

I think that these tariffs in the US will destroy the US automotive industry because they will simply get left behind as technologies advance.

[@petesig93]

Trade barriers help no national economy to thrive!

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

I agree we don't need tariffs. The EV market is only 7% in the US, (down from 8% last year). Nobody made any money selling them and it costs the tax payer a fortune. I say let China have that entire market if they really want that albatross.- they can pay for the chargers too while their at it.

[@johhny711]

That’s not the reason for the tariffs , the Chinese communist party is subsidising Chinese car manufacturers to such an extent that European and American private companies cannot complete. It’s unfair trading , the Americans could just stand by and let them kill off American companies and do nothing . This podcast is a good example of lying , telling half the truth is still a lie .

[@maxflight777]

*You two describe it so well* Best wishes , especially to Quentin who has suffered from the most ridiculous and aggressive attacks. I admire him for being the only guy in the motoring world who has his eyes open.

[@johntuffrey9908]

Keep up the fight guys. Why not interview Dale Vince and get his perspective on the practicalities of increasing onshore wind and rebuilding the National Grid to deal with the future?

[@steverichmond7142]

Many years ago I worked for Shell on computer systems and back in 1985 there was a worry about 'futurist' predictions on electric transport. The solution was to start a campaign to ensure ev's never got off the ground. The SNP had a scrapage scheme which was a great success with many ev's in Scotland made affordable under the scheme.

[@Coffibean13]

Our Prius was $15,000US MORE than my Tesla before the tax break! There is price parity.

[@rtfazeberdee3519]

Time to equate the argument to smoking in work places etc - the reasons can be the same - the right not to breathe fumes from someone else. How about getting some pollution sensors along some high streets at different height levels to show people that kids at exhaust level are getting the worst of it.

[@ndudman8]

starting to really dislike following other cars... very stinky.

[@kateevans4892]

I've had solar panels for 8 years, a home battery for 6 years, an electric vehicle for 5 years. All due to the fully charged shows. I've paid off the PVs (I got the last but one Feed in tariffs) and the battery cost already. My home is fully electric and I have a home charger for my EV. At present my electricity bill is £40 a month (with an octopus agile tariff) including all fuel costs. It's all from your channel and I'm incredibly grateful to you. I would never go back to an ICE vehicle, my ev is easier to drive, cheaper to run and has a range of 250m This is not political for me, it just makes sense all round. I'm female, not rich, I'm 75 and not particularly tech savvy and I'm still incredibly grateful to you all. Keep up the good work!!!

[@richardmyers9323]

Hi guy’s, I’m planning to be at the South show and would be happy to talk about my EV/solar/heat pump experience. 🥂

[@jcarey568]

Guys, please bring the Everything Electric show to the East Coast of the USA. It might help policy makers in DC see the benefits of electrification if the show's happening a stone's throw away.

[@springford9511]

Regarding UK manufacturing. The risk with making stuff in the UK is that it might eventually increase the strength of Unions. That is totally unacceptable to the Exploitative Class. It was only 35 years ago that everything was closed down to get rid of Unions and there is no way that a reverse will be accepted now.

[@davethefab6339]

Imagine if all this happened in reverse…. Everyone is running on electric and then someone builds an engine containing hundreds of parts and tells us we’re going to change over to burning petrol and diesel but there will be many side effects to doing so. Hmmmm, I don’t believe that would be taken on board by the people.

[@ChrisConian]

Great video yet again..I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again you need to talk to the Lee aka MacMaster where he constantly says that the cars are good but the infrastructure is really poor and the cost of charging in publicly which are know Quintin is banging on with the government about 5% & 20% vat this and I think this is where EV sales are dragging their feet.. Get the Macmaster on board… cheers all.. Chris..

[@Jaw0lf]

I had what they called a "Clean Diesel" but knowing it was a lie, I swapped to an EV. Also I felt that due to the iincreasing fuel prices every year, I was not driving as many miles and really had to think about the trips I did. Having swapped to an EV , three and a half years ago, I now have the freedom to do as much as I want as the cost is much lower for my trips. To me it is far better in every way than an ICE vehicle and better for the environment and air we breathe. This was a fantastic discussion and I certainly see that this EV transition may hit a few speed bumps but more and more people are buying them and more people are being seen enjoying them.

[@Laboratory_films]

This was exacttly what I needed. Thank you. Although I could do with someone just breaking down all the parties and explaining what their stances on various 'green energy issues' is.

[@ramblerandy2397]

Good to hear and see my preferred term "BEV" being used more often. "EV" has been diluted and politicised, and includes the Hybrid vehicle in its various forms. For various reasons, these vehicles are not good PR for the movement.

[@LadAussie]

PHEV gets me, its not a hybrid electric, its a hybrid petrol! PHPV

[@jonblacklock1052]

Some excellent points. Maybe we should lobby across all political parties to ensure there’s an influential non partisan group of informed people to counter the rubbish and develop long term policies across parties.

[@judebrown4103]

@Everything Electric Show there are two comments in this comment section which have the same picture but different names, the first is in Spanish. They are addressing the women in the thread for what I suspect are nepharious reasons. Its only a suspicion so I'm not sure what to report it under, thought you could root it out for us. Cheers. Great conversation, its really quite scary the influence big oil and certain rich entrepreneurs have over our lives. I'm finding more and more of my comments miraculously dont get posted if i get into conversation on other channels about certain subjects unrelated to evs about which that particular entrepreneur has strong and offensive views. Its so noticeable that even I am remembering it which is not my speciality these days. Keep up the good work gentlemen.👍

[@mikemellor759]

Keep up the good fight!👏👏

[@reinelektrisch4997]

Appreciate your great work

[@Dwil9057]

After a slow start, it feels like Australia might "do a Bradbury" with EV's. With no car industry to protect, the Chinese companies are all coming here tariff free. We were ignored by VW who still haven't brought any EV's here. It's too late now, I have a Dolphin

[@Hamish_A]

The economics of distributing fuel by tankers will reach a tipping point as demand drops which will force up forecourt prices. This will tip the balance towards EVs at an ever faster rate once it's reached.

[@InBodWeTrust]

A delicious irony would be if fuel oil was distributed to forecourts by electric tankers, 😎😂

[@steamboatmodel]

I wish you would bring a show to Toronto Canada.. It would cost me about $250 to fly to Vancouver, almost as much as to fly to the UK.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Thanks gentlemen for yet another excellent analysis. Quentin, enjoy your drive down to Bordeaux but I would recommend getting off the A10 at Poitiers and take the N10 toll free all the way down to Bordeaux. It's a much nicer run all on dual carriageway and takes you through the Cognac vineyards. You're welcome to pop in for a cuppa as we live 5 minutes from the N10 near Limalonges between Poitiers and Angouleme. 😊

[@Brinslade]

In Hong Kong the latest Kona is selling for around £16k , as there is strong competition from the Chinese brands. I have a Kona with a 39kw battery that does 360km per charge. I charge once a week using a the granny charger that fully recharges the battery overnight. I get 8.5 km per kw on average, so it seems a smaller battery is ideal for my situation. Interestingly, a recent comment on fully charged by a guest who said that many owners of 300 mile plus range evs rarely do those distances. So, when choosing the battery size people often over estimate their real needs.

[@iainmorrison1592]

Don't have an electric car myself but I occasionally drive one at work. It's only a corsa but it's amazing to drive and I always enjoy it. These days I only buy 2nd hand but my next car will be an EV, probably an ioniq, mg5 or a corsa.

[@twogsds]

Angus Hanton's book 'Vassal State: How America Runs Britain' explains the reason that we are in the state that we are in.

[@smthB4]

Second hand 52 kWh Zoes, typically about 3 years old, sell for about 10-12 grand, about 10000 -20000 miles. Mine does 280 miles per charge at the moment, June, in Wales.

[@johnbooth5199]

I'll never be able to afford a new car, of any type. and 2nd hand EV's are out of reach. I live in a rural area, I learnt to drive a few years ago, in my early 40s. I lost my job, because I couldn't drive. I paid about 8 grand for my 1st car, because I need something that is reliable and will last. Will a sub 10 grand ev last for another 7 to 10 years, and maintain it's range?, or will the battery be worn out? By mandating the ban of petrol cars, people like the greens will be pricing many people off the road, and out of a job. They always compare the price of a EV to a new car. The less well off don't buy new cars. Poorer people run cheap bangers until they fail the MOT, replacing it with another cheap motor. I suppose it's one way of reducing the number of cars on the road - just send all their drivers to the dole office. Why is it that all the campaigners seem to live in major urban areas with good public transport. They also seem to assume that everyone works in a 9-5 office job.

[@frejaresund3770]

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.

[@bellshooter]

Another good chat between mates. I see Nikki G-B & Kate W-E will be at EE , have a great show! Oh and to address Quentin's question, the only things ever to go wrong on my EV's in 7.5 years have been car things, sticky folding mirrors, failed parking sensor....that's it!

[@jjamespacbell]

How much safer does Trump feel he would be when the diesel boat he is on sinks 10 yards away from sharks?

[@m1ddleagemadness]

I'm a long time EV owner and what I have seen is my friends and family wanting to buy second hand EVs now they have come down in price, but not going forward because they cannot charge at home. This is either due to no off road parking or garages not suitable or attached to their homes. When they have looked at the cost of charging at other facilities the cost has been comparable to petrol or diesel. Maybe an option to buy cheaper electric at charging stations would be a good step forward.

[@Bobthepragmatist]

I’ve used a normal plug in charger for two years now, your car is parked for 14hrs every night so never had any issues with the rate of charge. Not having a dedicated charger shouldn’t be a blocker.

[@robinhood4640]

@@Bobthepragmatist If you can't park the car near your house, you can't plug the thing in, irrespective of the type of charger. Electricity needs to be cheaper. It shouldn't be connected with gas prices.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Educate your friends and family regarding the concept of "Graze Charging". Idea. Depending on YOUR circumstances, Try running your EV for a month without plugging in at home. Charge at your destination while doing what you went there to do. That would be a convincing argument for those with an open mind. (You may also find out who trusts your integrity?)

[@LongDarkTeatimeOfTheSoul]

Oil&gas, electric producers, governments are all scared. Scared of people getting solar and being able to charge their cars & house for free (ok, so for the UK, its only 6 to 9 months of the year) but imagine the cut in their profits & tax! Imagine their fear of a 50+% drop in their sales/profit.

[@pstoneking3418]

My Ford lightning truck has worked out great for me. I bought it to use locally. Maximum round trip maybe 240 miles. I never use public chargers other than to use the free 250 kwh I received with my lightning. At $.08/kwh in the winter and $.12/kwh in the summer I couldn't even achieve that kind of economy with my 2018 prius which I normally got 50+ mpg. Lately even better because I've been charging my truck using my excess solar power that used to go to waste.

[@LongDarkTeatimeOfTheSoul]

@@pstoneking3418 Exxon hate you😂😂😂 well done!

[@fourstarcaptain]

Similar to Tesla in Fremont, Rivian took possession of a former Mitsubishi factory in Illinois to build the R1T/S and EDV. The R2 will also be built in Illinois initially.

[@MyMateYourMate]

The LibDems are talking about cutting fuel duty because it's eye-wateringly high and they're running out of ways to relieve pressure on people who don't currently have a BEV. What they should all do is decouple the price of electricity from Gas costs and find ways to promote better charging infrastructure ahead of a surge in purchasing.

[@rogerphelps9939]

The Lid Dem idea of cutting fuel duty is to help those living out in the sticks where there is little or no public transport and people have to drive long distances to get to shops and public utilities. Decoupling the electricity price from hat from that of gas would be a better alternative. The elephant in the room is that fuel duty raises a huge amount of money for the government. With widespread adoption of EVs that is going to disappear. It may have to be replaced by a mileage levy calculated from the distance covered in the previous year combined with information about the type of vehicle. The information is already collected at each MOT so it could be extended to cover the first three years when there is no MOT. It would mean that he cost per mile of EVs would be similar to those of ICEs.

[@verygoodbrother]

@@rogerphelps9939 The levy should be based on car weight. A heavy car is less efficient, uses more material, typically bigger, causes more damage to the road.

[@Roamor1]

Thank you.

[@trevorkirkwood1612]

Fantastic I love your shows

[@BarryHaegerSalesCoach]

Follow the money. We need to have candidates from all parties at these elections come clean on their current and previous affiliation with the fossil fuels industry. Were they ever employed, advised or investors in the industry? What's their undeclared interest? Then we can see why they don't get behind the clean energy, clean air, low carbon transition we know we need

[@cg986]

Amazing stories!

[@JohnB-vt4dz]

Hi I've owned a ten year old Tesla model S for seven years. I'd be delighted to be interviewed about my (posative) experience.

[@BMWHP2]

Indeed, last 8 years the Netherlands was going in the right direction. But since the change in politicians this month, subsidies for electric innovations are all canceled. When you have solar panels, you now have to pay the companies extra to give them electricity. We have to pay them to get energy and have to pay them to give energy. No subsidies to buy a new EV, no subsidie for home storage batteries. The farmers, ultra rightwing and (secretly in the back) big oil grabbed power. We are going back in time.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

So you use the power you produce and DON'T "Give them the Electricity". . Wait for THEM to complain that "You" are off grid but "THEY" are receiving no benefit. If you have a switch that totally cuts mains supply when you KNOW you have enough, what can they do? . Can they demand you MUST be connected?

[@rogerphelps9939]

The new lot of politicians mus be really stupid to cancel subsidies for electrical innovations. It seems to have escaped their notice that, with business as usual, the ensuing 4 deg C temperature rise this century will result in much of he Netherlands disappearing beneath the waves.

[@stevept1504]

I doubt that there will be a long tail of fossil cars for 'decades and decades'. Change happens slowly and then all of a sudden. As the balance moves to BEV ownership the profitability of fossil fuel infrastructure provision will decline, slowly at first. At some point the hydrocarbon infrastructure will become threadbare and from there, its decline will accelerate.

[@ashleysilva7414]

My sentiments exactly. The S curve also works for a decline in consumption. With legacy auto selling less, their profits dwindle, their suppliers go out of business, spares become scarce so where will the diesel and petrol vehicles get spares? The end. No way will there be petrol and diesel vehicles in fifty years time.

[@gillscorner794]

Who remembers top gear slagging off diesels in the early 90s, 15 years later, everyone was driving them

[@buscseik]

Thank you

[@pstoneking3418]

My Ford lightning truck has worked out great for me. I bought it to use locally. Maximum round trip maybe 240 miles. I never use public chargers other than to use the free 250 kwh I received with my lightning. At $.08/kwh in the winter and $.12/kwh in the summer I couldn't even achieve that kind of economy with my 2018 prius which I normally got 50+ mpg. Lately even better because I've been charging my truck using my excess solar power that used to go to waste.

[@chrisduffill5248]

Cool guys , let’s hope Labour make it easier to get electrical manufacturing back to the Uk

[@scotteladd2537]

Why not use the tariff to offset any incentive for lower income buyers?

[@peterjohn5834]

Where can you buy “ the little book of EV myths” not through my bookstore. Thanks

[@javelinXH992]

I’ve had a very basic EV for four years and 60,000 miles and have no regrets. Does my 350 mile weekly commute like a charm and costs me less than £10 a week. It is a Corsa, so just an ICE car with the ICE bits swapped out for electric bits, so I consider it a conversion rather than a from-the-ground EV design. Still better than an ICE car. Only fault in four years was the cabin heater fan stopped moving. It wasn’t actually broken it had just got stuck, so after a clean, it was working again. I’m in the same parliamentary constituency as Robert so will be voting against the incumbent government today, especially because of their poor record on all matters environmental and lack of foresight of making the UK a big part of the transition to the new fossil reduced economy.

[@harryjones5260]

why does everyone miss the simplest point that the majority of people live in flats, and therefore cant charge overnight

[@DeadManWalking4574]

They dont miss, they deliberately exclude such info, it simply dont look good for the WEF EV fraudsters

[@pauld3327]

Agree. EV without home charging is very inconvenient...

[@davehollowell2104]

Would it be useful for the electric utility supplying Mar a Lago to do some work on the supply leading to needing to cut the supply for say a week whilst 45 is in residence.

[@timoliver8940]

Dan, Not only are the turbine blades at the Clyde Wind Farm not made in the UK, the company that has built the site up, SSE, is no longer a British company - it’s Swiss registered now

[@garysmith5025]

Moving SSE into a Swiss holding company was purely a technicality in response to Labour saying they would nationalise the utility companies. SSE is listed on the LSE and pays UK corporation tax, it is still a British company but the Swiss holding company protects it from nationalisation.

[@flukeylukey7559]

The UK should should definitely try to get some manufacturing there, Thailand has been trying to corner the right hand drive manufacturing. Forseven i think will have a factory in the UK, they will be using NIOs EV platform. The transformation to EV will probably happen whether the politicians wants it to or not.

[@MyMateYourMate]

Solar Panels, Batteries and a 2nd hand EV have cost us £26k (spread over 7-10 years) which many people can't do. Not changing costs them £5k when they buy a 2nd hand ICE.

[@th42]

Come to Bristol & observe the utter desert of electrification that we have. Glacial would be a generous way of describing it. Virtually no on street charging. A few in shopping centres but the city as a whole, which is considered ‘green’ is laughable. I will not be able to move to EV as there is no infrastructure & low levels of off-street parking make ownership untenable.

[@huwjones5879]

I don't think the journos who write EV FUD care either way, they just write whatever gets clicks. Those who believe it want to believe it and its simply confirmation that they are correct in their ignorance.

[@MyMateYourMate]

The answer to high cost of living is not to say "spend £15k on a 2nd hand EV, £1k on a new home charger" but to find ways to lower the cost of living. Encouraging EV take up should not include punishing people who can't afford in the short term to change.

[@neildolan7177]

I do not agree that ICE vehicles should be banned. I also think scraping ICE cars is not environmentally friendly & more should be put into conversions.

[@andymccabe6712]

Yeah..... I hate it when I scrape my car........!

[@pstoneking3418]

Definitely should be able to convert ICE vehicles to electric. The company that does this well will be rolling in the dough.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@pstoneking3418 Not a very good idea. Successful EVs are designed as EVs from the ground up. Converting an ICE o EV is expensive and will probably be disappointing.

[@jamesengland7461]

It's better to ship old ICE cars to the third world for cheap until they get their own infrastructure for bevs

[@neildolan7177]

@@jamesengland7461 Whatever

[@prjackson7802]

Great video

[@PedalPowerPanther]

Just to let you know that when I tried to use your template to my MP (Ed Milliband) it said the field was too long. I had to delete all but the first paragraph for it to go through. I’m guessing that a lot of people would just give up, so I think it’s worth looking into to ensure as many MPs as possible get the message.

[@davethefab6339]

Stop any tariffs on cheaper foreign vehicles coming here. Just because we can’t make vehicles at their prices why should we suffer higher purchase costs because our government want to put these tariffs on to line their pockets whilst the people struggle when in reality we shouldn’t be.

[@DBTSLALUFC]

Yeah I agree with NOT putting tariffs in for Chinese vehicles like BYD, but what about Tesla?? Why not try to get Tesla to build a Gigafactory over here too!! I know they have one in Berlin but, when they start to build the £25,000 compact; the UK is going to be a massive market for that!!! + the first Model Ys are starting to come to the UK from Berlin now too.

[@redrockcrf4663]

Hello from the other side of the world. around @51: YES. sick of the "mainly SUV" offerings being trotted out. I want the smaller, lighter vehicles. not an SUV for a town car.

[@rickyjulian496]

I envisioned drive in cinemas by now where cars could grab a quick charge and watch a film just off the motorway.. Slower charge speeds so less strain on the grid.

[@xlerb_again_to_music7908]

In the last 4 weeks I've seen an upsurge in Polestar EVs on the road. Whats behind this?

[@wcoenen]

Polestar EVs are manufactured in China, so they will probably be transported by large specialized "roll-on roll-off" ships. Those hold something like 5000 cars. So each time one of these arrives in a port near you, you might notice a change on the roads.

[@snookmeister55]

Resistance is futile. The transition to electrification will continue.

[@snookmeister55]

Because of economics is why the transition will continue.

[@KevNpton]

The critical point in stopping using petrol is the economics of petrol stations. I know they are supposed to be on a small margin and they will start closing at some point. It then becomes a situation where, how far are people willing to travel to get petrol?

[@theunknownunknowns256]

Hey Robert, Dan and Quentin here is a opportunity to make a sizable difference. If you three got involved it would be big news over here and might sway towards common sense. rnz nz checkpoint chatham islands critically low on fuel supplies. Clearly solar+batt will work for much the Chatham Islands as a quick fix but also wind or tidal technologies are a no brainer too.

[@theunknownunknowns256]

Hey Robert, Dan and Quentin here is a opportunity to make a sizable difference. If you three got involved it would be big news over here and might sway towards common sense. rnz nz checkpoint chatham islands critically low on fuel supplies. Clearly solar+batt will work for much the Chatham Islands as a quick fix but also wind or tidal technologies are a no brainer too.

[@chrislong6818]

Late comment on this one, but I've just returned from the USA, and while there, drove an EV. I asked a couple of people about "why political?" One guy (a marine as it turned out), was also puzzled. "It's technology, it either works or it doesn't." The other person I asked (a Republican, at a guess) said that the Democrats were trying to force electrication on people and the infrastructure wasn't up to it. It's true that the infrastructure has a way to go. I was lucky, in that the hotel I stayed at had chargers (free to use, but I had to buy an adapter as they were Tesla only), but otherwise they were few and far between.

[@YS-cs8yq]

While the US and the EU are putting tarrifs on EV's which may slow down EV adoption,there are countries in Asia like Thailand which are welcoming them. Perhaps these countries if they adopt solar as well will become 1st World countries instead of the US and the EU.

[@pstoneking3418]

My Ford lightning truck has worked out great for me. I bought it to use locally. Maximum round trip maybe 240 miles. I never use public chargers other than to use the free 250 kwh I received with my lightning. At $.08/kwh in the winter and $.12/kwh in the summer I couldn't even achieve that kind of economy with my 2018 prius which I normally got 50+ mpg. Lately even better because I've been charging my truck using my excess solar power that used to go to waste.

[@r.a.monigold9789]

Change is confusing. Confusion conjures stress. Stress turns fear to anger. This process can span months or years, but it can also happen at the speed of thought, in our minds and manifest instantly as anger. Someone who literaaly LIVES in an area of rapid change can find it difficulut condensing thousands of hours of learning into a 10 second "sound bite". It is our fate...

[@robaro7866]

I really wish we could move on from the EV debate and talk more about infrastructure for green transport. Roadmap for blue and green hydrogen should really be the next milestone to aim for. Then the rest will fall into place.

[@vandit83]

I agree, we have been asleep at the wheel. I live next to whitelees wind farm just south of Glasgow and it’s enormous. I also get people saying my heatpump doesn’t work (it very much does!) and that it was probably made in China. Yet it was made by Mitsubishi 26 miles away from my house.

[@pstoneking3418]

I see the biggest problem with Ev's is the charging infrastructure. Not enough working chargers and the charge per kwh is ridiculous. When there are chargers at most gas stations and the kwh charge comes down relative to home electric charges, the EV sales will escalate.

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

Gas stations can serve a dozen customers in 5 minutes, that's why they can afford to occupy prime locations on main streets, intersections and on/off ramps. The high traffic flow also makes a convenience store viable. But you'd need a football field of chargers for that traffic with EVs, which is why they are located at the back of the parking lot behind Walmart..

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

@@jletts4354 Exactly- I don't have to get off my route and find a supermarket to spend half an hour or more. I just watch for the next big sign at the side of the road, and I'm on my way in minutes with 400 miles more range. Whether you're travelling for pleasure or business or family, you just want to get to your destination. I don't need any extra delays and setbacks.

[@frankvanhooft3927]

Why would BYD want to build a factory in the UK, the UK is a small market.