The Pope Changed the Sabbath?! Catholic Apologist Responds!

[@blueticks8423]

Looking forward to this one!

[@robertotapia8086]

@Answering Adventism @Myles thank GOD for making this possible @Joe Heschmeyer is top notch Christian and Apologists thanks for willing to have him on.

[@StringofPearls55]

I concur! I look forward to Thursdays when a new episode of Shameless Popery drops!

[@robertotapia8086]

​@@StringofPearls55 Me to love @Joe Heschmeyer @Trent Horn @Jimmy Akin...

[@JemSeerattan365]

William Albrecht on Patristic Pillars is very good also😊

[@robertotapia8086]

@jamiea.c.seerattan365 would love to see so many people just sit down and talk church history and other topics with @Myles @William Albrecht @Suan Sonna @Erick Ybarra and others.

[@southernPacificRR]

Myles sure has a strong hate for Adventists. I would say the spirit of Ignatius of Loyola is strong in this person.

[@michaeljefferies2444]

I’m a Catholic and I read a book I was sent by the SDA church. I couldn’t stop laughing at some of the claims made about Catholicism and how they always cited obscure minor sources, some of which seemed to have come from someone’s notes from a 19th century lecture by a priest who published no books.

[@lynelleperschino9102]

Yes! Please have Mr. Heschmeyer back on to talk about the new creation! All your episodes are good Myles, but this is one of the best!

[@nadiakaramoy3167]

As Christians, we must be fair and charitable when presenting what others believe, avoiding misrepresentation or "strawmanning" (Proverbs 18:13; Matthew 7:12). This reflects the principle behind Unus testis nullus testis ("one witness is not a witness"), a concept rooted in the Holy Scripture (Deuteronomy 19:15). Unfortunately, in my experience, SDAs often misrepresent what the Catholic Church (and even the Protestant churches) teaches, sometimes appearing to do so with malicious intent. How do I know this? Because I used to be one of those SDAs who frequently misrepresented Catholicism. Ironically, God, with His sense of humor, has now led me to become a born-again Christian in communion with the Catholic Church. As a former Sabbath school teacher, my favorite topics were prophecy and end-times messages-studying deeply into history to defend Adventist prophecies eventually brought me to the Catholic faith (notwithstanding contentious doctrines like the 'wicked' investigative judgment and sanctuary doctrine, among others). Although we may differ in where God has led us after leaving Adventism, I have been following you since the advent (pun intended) of your channel, and you have done amazing work for the Kingdom, Brother. I currently live in Southeast Asia, where Adventism remains extremely conservative, often denying science and reason while rigidly (and, dare I say, arrogantly?) interpreting the Holy Scripture. Despite this, I hold a deep love for them. I am preparing for a ministry to reach the SDAs in my country, as I believe there are honest and earnest Christians among them who sincerely seek God but have been misled by SDA leaders and Ellen White. Perhaps-just perhaps-I’ll become a Jesuit priest and 'infiltrate' the SDAs. (Just kidding-or am I?) May God have mercy on us all. Keep up the great work! P.S. Love that you invite Joe Heschmeyer to your channel!

[@FernandesBenNehu]

Iam a catholic christian viewing this beautiful program from PNG in Oceania. For us Catholics,our holy masses are celebrated every day. And we believe that every day is the Lord's day.

[@BernardValentine-gd1vc]

Oh great to have you aboard, I'm from PNG too and am a catholic.By the way, I've been following Myles since day one and hope we're in the right place.. SDA people any where on earth are just the same, there are people of self pity and pride.. Thanks Myles for making everything more understandable.!!,may God blessed you

[@joynpride9094]

What does the Bible say ? Sabbath is set apart or holy but yes everyday is theLord’s day, just rest on the Sabbath though

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

@@joynpride9094 Flashback just popped up in my brain ~ Still PTSda ~ Kindergarten Class at SS ~ I am The Resurrection and the Live...Ye believe in Me tho He was Dead ~ Yet Shall He Live ~ And Whosoever Believeth in Me Shall Never, Never, Never, Never Die! ~~ Or something close to that, been well over 50 years ago... Maybe The Rules Changed again? Its only been since 1863 since The Big Official Change from The Church Our Lord Jesus Christ Established with His Own Lips: "On This Rock I Will Build My Church...And The Gates of Hell Will Not Prevail Upon It..."

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

@@joynpride9094 There was "An evening and a morning," on six days. There was no "Evening" on the seventh day. Root word meaning of "rest" here = stopped work because one is done. Task Completed, So Stop. We are in the Sabbath rest with Our Lord Jesus Christ now. Read Hebrews (without Ellen Gould Harmon White haunting your cranium at the time); Read Ephesians, Romans, John... Not thru EGW filters.

[@joynpride9094]

@@cindiloowhoo1166 if this was true even tho No Bible verse says “sabbath means rest in Jesus” why would Jesus keep the sabbath ??? And why would all those Jews in the Bible keep the sabbath? God’s chosen people! I’ll rather follow people who actually spoke with Jesus and God than today’s people … “And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭4‬:‭16‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭17‬:‭2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@defendusinbattle907]

I had a 25-year desert wander from the Catholic Church. Ironically, it was an SDA that gave me my final push home. When she wondered why I didn't believe what she was telling me, I told her that, "I don't buy it." Just because I studied the SDA claims does not mean that I agree with them. What I did recognize is that I needed to pursue the truth. That pursuit led me back to the Catholic Church.

[@kimartist]

Excellent interview! Really enjoyed it. Please have him back soon 😊

[@RandomTChance]

Excellent points from a great guest. His reasoning is spot on and I appreciate you having him as a guest. Thanks Gentlemen. 🙏

[@jsimoes9424]

Thus was one of the best interviews I’ve seen on this channel. Kudos Myles!!

[@KaoXoni]

Oh please, please DO comeback soon and explain about the New Creation as taught by John!

[@John_Six]

Excellent presentation. Heschmeyer is a well of information. Peace of Christ to you both.

[@DanielnKitavi]

Really appreciated hearing Joe's thoughts. Great guy. Thanks for having him on!

[@jubalanton6350]

Thanks Myles ,God bless your work. Watching from Papua New Guinea.

[@mikejames303]

Quick question, I've noticed several other in the comments from Papua New Guinea, is SDA pretty popular over there?

[@dvdhr1]

Worship according to Jews : Saturday SDA : Saturday Apostle Paul quoting David: Today ... so basically EVERYDAY The Catholic Church held Holy Mass everyday ... Sunday however is set for High Mass in conjunction with the day of Christ's Ressurection.

[@bazzy8376]

This is brilliant! I love that you got a well-informed Catholic to answer questions about Catholicism. There are people who get their info about Catholicism from the likes of James White and John MacArthur. That makes no sense at all. I'm impressed.

[@defendusinbattle907]

Back in Genesis 35:18..."And as her soul was departing (for she died), she called his name Ben-o′ni; but his father called his name Benjamin." The soul departs the body at death, from the beginnings of Judaism.

[@PavelMosko]

There is so many "Jump the Shark" moments in the history of Seventh Day Adventism and this is definitely one those moments. This is the Church of Hislop's spurious "Two Babylon's" Conspiracy Theory version of Church History.

[@PavelMosko]

​@@cindiloowhoo1166 Cindy what your talking about is why God created online encyclopedias on the 6th day. (smile) The basic Cliff Notes like summary is very useful to know. I did notice this video in my recommended ones from yesterday, "Hislop's Sloppy History: How One Book Divides Adventist Churches"

[@kimartist]

​​@@cindiloowhoo1166 Hislop's (sloppy) work is where we get the Easter & Christmas is paaaaagan stuff 😢

[@johnsix.51-69]

No way you had Joe on! As a catholic following your channel I appreciate this episode. My wife's uncle is an Adventist pastor and that's what got me following your channel. This is my favorite EGW quote btw. She refuted herself acknowledging that Sabbath keeping is not in the NT. " _The New Testament does not re-enact the law of the tithe, as it does not that of the Sabbath; for the validity of both is assumed_ " " _Counsels on Stewardship, p66_ "

[@John_Six]

1:10:44 Ellen White would agree with Joe then. There is no clear written verse that says Christians worship on the Sabbath.

[@kimartist]

Tithing is not in the 10 Commandments either... but oh they LIKE that one don't they? 🤔😅

[@John_Six]

@@kimartist Of course they like that one even though Ellen White says tithing isn't explicitly in the New Testament lol. 🤑

[@mikhailhunter5277]

@@John_Six (Leviticus 23:3) Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. "holy convocation" convocation definition :a large formal assembly of people. (Luke 4:16) So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. Jesus went to Church (synagogues) on the sabbath regularly(most like every week) for 30 plus years "as it was his custom". Christians followers of Christs... should follow Christ. If we were supposed to keep Sunday as a sabbath, Christ would've kept it holy.

[@John_Six]

@@mikhailhunter5277 Leviticus was for the Israelites of the old covenant. Jesus was a Jew. What is your point? Your prophetess said it herself. There is no verse in the New Testament that tells us to keep the Sabbath.

[@James-g3w7w]

The Catholics established a calendar and removed the lunar calendar, this began with Polycarp in the quarto deciman controversy because the eastern churches kept passover/Easter on the 14th of Nisan which was determined by the lunar month. The Catholic calendar set the 7 day week cycle and both Saturday and Sunday are each 7 days apart, so the SDA is actually setting it's "sabbath" according to the Catholic calendar. If the day is the mark of the beast shouldn't the calendar also be part of that?

[@Stupidityindex]

You ignore the fact, not all of us can pretend prophesy & God exist. That is why Jesus Christ says, "Think not I come with peace, but sword". It is amusing to hear the profound arrogance of someone knowing of God, as if He were known outside of fiction. The believer & the literate are separated by the vocabulary of fiction: Blasphemy, God, faith, prayer, prophet, scripture etc. Matthew 17:20 He replied, “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.” I like asking believers how they can possibly think their faith is respectable, given Jesus said faith is worthless, since you can't expect obedience when ordering mountains to move? Freud wrote, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy". "Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall". What is The Catholic faith? Organized crime, indoctrinating children with a fantasyland vocabulary? When men are free of religious notions they write, "The antidote to Christianity is literacy." "My sheep hear My voice" is the mindset of slavery. Once free of it, there are no suggestions we all travel better by having one foot in a stranger's fantasyland or Garden of Eden. A mind free of religious text is not tortured by pretending Divinity made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel, having pasted their books on to them both. Those looking for the sign of a resurrection, are a vile, "Wicked Generation" seeking signs, led by "wolves in sheep's clothing". "The only sign is that of Jonah"; a believer murdered by other believers. Chained to the slavery of faith, they write: "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree:" Galatians 3:13

[@James-g3w7w]

@@Stupidityindex Not sure what all this talk about the psychology of faith has to do with what I said, but thanks for the response. I'll just say I'm absolutely sure the SHROUD OF TURIN is Jesus Christ and the image was put there by God.

[@TruthSeeker2996]

You also ignore the fact that the lunar calendar isn’t biblical - it doesn’t even say moon to start a month btw.

[@James-g3w7w]

@@TruthSeeker2996 Yes it does, Nisan begins the religious calendar, the other new year is Tishri (I think) and you can find a load of ancient discussion, like Philo on how to keep calendar.

[@TruthSeeker2996]

@@James-g3w7wyeah - they took that from Babylon - look again … the word used in numbers - is month !! Not moon - researched it all - sorry - some old Bible versions have it translated right actually ( not many ) but the Geneva Bible gets that one right -

[@WariPatapu-cc7bf]

People, sabbath was given to the nation of Israel that was the covenant between people of Israel and God not for the gentles.

[@kimartist]

Amen! ❤️‍🔥

[@dustins382]

It's really that simple! That's why we have a new creation (resurrection), new Adam (Christ), new Eve (Mary), 8th day (equivalent of the first day but a "supra"-first day), new priest (in the order of Melchizedek), and new law (baptism, communion, the Great Commission, etc). Christ makes all things new! Glory to Him.

[@brass1951]

@@dustins382 AMEN!!!!

[@AporosaColaudolu-c3i]

Sabbath was created for mankind to remember creation.

[@noelharris8967]

...g'day folks...many thanx for for the time undertaken...and the subjects covered in this discussion...in any future discussions of a similar nature can the SDA claim of the Diacade (spelling?) being a forgery be discussed/answered...thank you in advance...

[@kimartist]

Didache

[@micward]

They actually try to claim that the Didache is a forgery? 😂 I mean, I shouldn’t be surprised, as anything that contradicts their belief system is usually written off as some sort of elaborate ploy by the Devil and/or the Papacy against them.

[@johnsix.51-69]

No serious bible scholars will claim that the Didache is a forgery. Same goes for early church writings.

[@johnsix.51-69]

@@cindiloowhoo1166 SDAs make a lot of false claims. They don't have any legitimate scholars or historians to back anything that they make up.

[@StringofPearls55]

I love Joe Heschmeyer!

[@truthingrace3594]

Man, the way that guy talks in the first clip(Dr o? . It's unbelievably deceptive. Like a car salesman on a "church" stage.

[@answeringadventism]

Yes, almost insufferable. Blowing out the speakers.

[@kimartist]

It was also insufferably whiny & squeaky like nails on chalkboard 😬

[@dustins382]

30 min in and I have to point out the stark contrast between SDA and Catholicism regarding *precision of language*. SDA often use terms that assume either a unilateral definition (like how they interpret "eternal" regarding Sabbath) or vague definitions that you can never get them to consistently describe (such as "being" in regards to how they define the Trinity) Catholicism on the other hand is very precise, as exampled in his explanation of pneuma and other words that regard the soul/spirit. He gave an excellent explanation that you can walk away saying "okay that's the belief".

[@answeringadventism]

Yes, great observation. And really western Christian theology as a whole is like that over and against the more mysterious eastern understandings-though I think sometimes this is just the better route. But great point-SDA approach is more slippery.

[@dustins382]

​@@answeringadventismhaha well I think you might remember I'm Orthodox so I'll have to respectfully disagree there, I find the language of the East precise as well, though I can understand the criticism for a lot of reasons so it's not entirely invalid, but I'm not going to debate you on that since there are much bigger fish to fry. 😅 Even so, thanks for agreeing with my point and expanding, the crazies like SDA/LDS/JW definitely use vague language so it's easier to draw people in by letting them use their own imagination to support the points. Cheers and God bless.

[@kimartist]

Aka: being SLITHERY 🐍

[@testabledaddyo5818]

@@dustins382what vague language are they using? Can I get a few examples from you?

[@dustins382]

@@testabledaddyo5818 here's an example, SDA use the phrase "3 beings" in reference to the Trinity. It's unclear if they actually mean "being" in the sense that's it's been used historically (essence or nature, in Greek "ousia") or if it's a mistake and they are intending it as it relates to "created beings", as in multiple persons. When you try to get clarification on how they are using "being", they appeal to both definitions without understanding, then when you point out a contradiction in their uses, they default to "well God is so far beyond us that nobody can actually claim to be able to define this stuff", which is a cop out honestly because there are things that were revealed and can be understood, and have been understood since early Christianity. This is one example that I explained, but there are others I'll briefly point out. The word "eternal" (Hebrew "olam") is not used consistently across the Old testament in their view, or to go to JWs, they are not consistent or clear in how they use "God/god" (elohim), or in Mormonism their whole theology is vague and you'll get wildly different ideas from Mormon to Mormon, like how it looks for us to become gods, how justification happens, or really most theological takes. Mormonism itself is scarcely concerned with theology, their focus is on the community they build and how to live here on earth.

[@jtrlatinist2227]

Thank you so much for this! Started SDA then became born again protestant and now I am at home in Rome.

[@eddtoosu2946]

Thanks a lot for the information. Really appreciate. Too bad for the seventh day adventists.

[@dustins382]

Only a few min in and just wanted to say I'm not Catholic but I appreciate the intellectual honesty in presenting a steelman for the case. SDA strawmen are so tiresome because first you have to clear up the actual position before you even begin to refute their position. One ends up doing double the work in a conversation! Cheers and God bless.

[@mmtoss6530]

I like how the SDAs (and some evangelicals) use the changing of the 10 commandments as proof of how evil the papists are when the Lutherans who don’t even venerate icons have the same 10 commandment order.

[@answeringadventism]

Yes. There is literally nothing out of the ordinary regarding the Augustinian Order and any serious person has done the historical digging on this to see it’s an ancient debate regarding the first and second giving of the law yet literally all parties still have all 13 imperatives present. It’s a numbering debate, not a content debate.

[@Georgina50]

Myles thank you for bringing the truth! May God continue to bless you and your ministry 🙏

[@RobertAragas]

Thanks both 🙏

[@DaniRiti-q9v]

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,” King James Version (Kjv)

[@scholasticqueen]

Could you bring Joe back on to talk about the apocalypse please? Do Catholics and Protestants view the apocalypse as doomsday and direly current as the SDA church?

[@SamuelePuteho]

Jesus is our example.He kept the sabbath and should do we. The disciples kept the sabbath. Why forge your own day of worship? Who's your example? I would like to know?

[@jtrlatinist2227]

Every time it mentions the Christians gathering together in the New Testament after Christ resurrection, it is on the first day of the week. With the exception of when they witness to the Jews. Now, it is true that the early Christians want to synagogue and then celebrated the Breaking Bread later in the evening. But notice the breaking of the bread took place and what the Jews were considered the first day of the week. Also. when Christianity was suppressed in the Roman Empire and it went underground literally they could not Christian breaking up openly so they went into the catacombs, even if they did this on Saturday night. It still would’ve been considered the first day of the week in Jewish circles. When Christ resurrected, it began the new creation. We are no longer under the old law. Every single Commandment was confirmed double down on an even refined. Think of thou shall not commit adultery now being don’t even lust. Every commandment except the Sabbath. We do need a day for God. But the day that happens to fall upon is ceremonial and liturgical. Resurrecting from the dead was greater than the first creation. Christ establish the church to carry on his true throughout all generations. He promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. The Avan claim is the gates of hell against it until Ellen White.

[@jtrlatinist2227]

Also, the gentiles were never expected to keep the seventh day Sabbath. They were not under the mosaic covenant. Keeping the sabbath is not necessary for ties even under the old law. People will point to where it says you can’t even let the Traveller among you work. That’s more for the Jew than the traveler. If you look at the law that God gave the Sabbath not among them. You should research what would be required of a gentile to believe in the God of Israel. They would tell him to keep the noahide law. By the way, the Noah Hyde law never mentions the seventh Sabbath. In Exodus, it says the Lord gave them the sabbath because he freed them from Egypt.

[@WIPCatholic]

@SamuelePuteho Matthew 12:1-2 He also said He's the Lord of the Sabbath. Who are you to keep harping on 2nd Temple Sabbath tradition, when He already destroyed the 2nd temple?

[@seramemoitsheki]

Now I see why one of the last things if not the last thing Jesus prayed for was that the believers may be one. We are so devided and deep down all we are craving for is to be united with our Father through Jesus Christ. Let us not forget who the enemy of souls is and let us pray for one another.

[@sbblando8533]

Why do SDA pastors/ministers speak like that? Making it seem like what they're reading is fantastic? It's actually available online.

[@Jamesps34]

This was a great video. Very well done gentlemen!

[@umabrijmohun6720]

Olantunji, and his insane Sunday law belief

[@RandomTChance]

RIGHT! 🕊️🙏🕊️

[@kimartist]

He did sound giddy & unhinged. Yikes.

[@michaelbenoit5669]

Hey, I have a coworker who is sda. He lives by the law. Doesn’t eat pork or celebrate holidays. Studies the apocrypha. Now that you have come to the light of the Christian faith would you say that this do gooder is going to heaven or still lost? I guess it depends how deep in the koolaid he and his family is.

[@revelation12_1]

Pray for his conversion.

[@davidfabien7220]

I believe the Sabbath had to be for Israel only so that all the Jews could observe it at the same time on the same Saturday. Throughout the world today SDAs are not all observing the Sabbath on the same day because of time lapses between different countries. For example, I believe Sydney, Australia is nineteen hours ahead of California in the United States. Therefore, if Sabbath day starts at 6 pm Friday night here in Sydney, Australia it is still 11 pm Thursday night in California. When Sabbath day comes for California at 6 pm Friday night it is already1.00 pm Sunday afternoon in Sydney. In my opinion it is therefore impossible for Sabbath to be a weekly global event. 3 John 1:2 Beloved, I hope you are prospering in every respect and are in good health, just as your soul is prospering. Psalm 42-43:2 As the deer longs for streams of water, so my soul longs for you, O God. That shows that the body longs for natural drink whereas the soul longs for spiritual drink in Christ, the living water.

[@rachelmendez7727]

Look up the sabbath controversy over the international dateline. That adds a whole other layer to it!

[@danhenry2157]

The Sabbath begins at sundown wherever you happen to live. The misinformation and twisting of truth in this jesuitical propaganda just reaffirms the truths shared by the SDA.

[@davedrahman914]

This is my favorite Myles. Joe and Myles have a great deal of chemistry! Joe is a very clever fellow! 👏 👏 👏

[@maxellton]

Wonderful discussion. Joe is the man!

[@Sotoleonsito]

When did Paul and the apostles gather for the breaking of the bread?(Eucharist)

[@deus_vult8111]

Send this to the ADL folks

[@deus_vult8111]

@@JohnEricho-wj8zr respond with more lies

[@deus_vult8111]

@@wwjd_Too bad they can’t because nowhere does Scripture teach that the sabbath is the seal or that Sunday worship will be the mark of the beast or that Sunday worship comes from paganism. They’re charlatans…

[@deus_vult8111]

@@wwjd_they can’t prove anything from the Bible. Even Ellen White novelties

[@HardPumpers]

​@@wwjd_ ADL are disingenuous liars lol...

[@deus_vult8111]

@@wwjd_ they lie about the sabbath being the “seal”, Sunday worship being the “mark” and the soul not being immaterial and immortal.

[@JuanitaThompson-cm5tq]

Thank you Myles for your dedication and hard work. I haven’t even watched the video yet!👍

[@clarekuehn4372]

The ad I got on YT was a very rare one -- because it was actually good! Was for food survival and growing one's own.

[@RandomTChance]

An L D S ad just played for me. 🤷‍♂️ Blessings 🕊️

[@RealLadyG]

@@RandomTChance What you referring about L D S ad

[@RandomTChance]

@@RealLadyG Mormon ad.

[@brg1213]

Great vid!😊

[@Fauven]

I’m not SDA, but know some, and used to have many in the family. They LOVE the current pope. They’re absolutely convinced he’s proof of it all. He represents the false peophetess’s predictions about Catholicism and a move toward one-world type religion and a blending of Catholicism and Protestantism. Between sinodality and ecumenicalism and some of the weirdness coming from the pope and his favored bishops, they can’t get enough of it.

[@grendellsamuel6351]

Exactly, many of the SDA will still call you liar

[@qanaqa33174]

Myles should make a debate with Joe and the adl.

[@qanaqa33174]

Finally got the time to watch this session✊🏿

[@richardwalters8585]

ELLEN G WHITE NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION TO HER GUIDING SPIRIT WHERE ARE YOU FROM HEAVEN NOW DID SHE NO SHE NEVER DID!!

[@sheilabetty2464]

There is 613 laws the Jews kept why do Adventist only keep 7 then . Never once did Jesus tell an in the New Testament to keep the 4 commandment he mentioned all other but never the 4th . Paul told us it didn’t matter what day what you choose is up to the person . Shame on you adventist who refuse to learn from Jesus and turn to your false prophet EGW. She will not save you , only Jesus

[@becksdresure]

He did argue on how He was keeping The Sabbath many times didn’t He?

[@chunuhembrom1074]

Matthew 24:20

[@lk9513]

Perfect point about Bacciochi (sp) around 1:06. LOL🤣

[@Fasolislithuan]

Congratulations. Fantastic talk

[@willrobinson247]

I will focus on the teaching only. The soul. What is the soul according to the scriptures. Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Here the word "soul" means a living being. Why would he need to take a rib from Adam to make Eve if she was a "ghostly" image? Why would God take dirt from the ground to make Adam if he was a ghostly image? Almost every single Bible version will agree that when God created Adam he created a living person, a living being or a living creature. When this living creature dies the Bible says the following: Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. This text basically explain the the creation of man in death has been reversed. He was created God then breathed the breath of life into him. Upon death the body return to the dust and the breath that God once gave that body returns to God. This text says the following: Psalm 146:4 King James Version 4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. What thoughts? We have good thoughts and evil thoughts, but what thoughts perish or which thoughts perish? Ecclesiastes 9:5-7 King James Version 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. There good and evil thoughts perish. The million dollars question? If they thoughts perish and no longer exist how could they be serving God in heaven or serving man on earth? How could they be burning forever and ever? Wouldn't they have thoughts of God and pain and suffering if they were burning? Wouldn't they have thoughts of joy if they were with God? What did Nicodemus have a report for us all when he died? If Nicodemus was a ghostly figure upon death and he went to heaven surely h would have been angry at Jesus once he returned to this sinned curse earth? My friend, " burning for every and every" doesn't sound like death to me. It sounds that person is alive crying out day and night. The tortures of Hitler and the SS ended. The torture of Rome on the Jews and Christians ended. You're telling me a loving God is going to torture the wicked longer than Hilter and the SS and Romans in the days of the disciples and apostles? My friends even the wickedest of the wicked on earth didn't display this type of cruelty. The God you describe is Satan not a loving who would send His son to day for all of humanity. My friend don't take this the wrong way but you are promoting a misunderstanding of the text, not an understanding of the text. In other words you promoting and teaching the error and not biblical truth. I'm praying for you my friend. Like I always conclude many will say they have a problem with me, the Adventist church and its leaders and its teachings. But I didn't quote them. I quoted the Holy Bible. Those who deny what the Holy Bible says don't really have a problem with me, the SDAs and their teachings they have a problem with God and His teachings.

[@ronaldbeaton3524]

Where does Ellen White say that the doctrine of the immortality of the soul originated with the Roman Catholic Church? It does not say that in the two quotes you gave. (4SP 235.2 and GC 588.1) 4SP 235.2 simply says that purgatory, prayers for the dead, invocation of the saints, etc. came from this source through modern spiritualism. GC 588.1 just mentions it as one of two great errors. In GC 58, Ellen White speaks to the idea of the natural immortality of the soul as already existing. “The advancing centuries witnessed a constant increase of error in the doctrines put forth from Rome. Even before the establishment of the papacy the teachings of heathen philosophers had received attention and exerted an influence in the church. Many who professed conversion still clung to the tenets of their pagan philosophy, and not only continued its study themselves, but urged it upon others as a means of extending their influence among the heathen. Serious errors were thus introduced into the Christian faith. Prominent among these was the belief in man's natural immortality and his consciousness in death. This doctrine laid the foundation upon which Rome established the invocation of saints and the adoration of the Virgin Mary. From this sprang also the heresy of eternal torment for the finally impenitent, which was early incorporated into the papal faith. Then the way was prepared for the introduction of still another invention of paganism, which Rome named purgatory, and employed to terrify the credulous and superstitious multitudes. By this heresy is affirmed the existence of a place of torment, in which the souls of such as have not merited eternal damnation are to suffer punishment for their sins, and from which, when freed from impurity, they are admitted to heaven.” Also, on page 549 is stated, “The theory of the immortality of the soul was one of those false doctrines that Rome, borrowing from paganism, incorporated into the religion of Christendom. Martin Luther classed it with the "monstrous fables that form part of the Roman dunghill of decretals."--E. Petavel, The Problem of Immortality, page 255. Commenting on the words of Solomon in Ecclesiastes, that the dead know not anything, the Reformer says: "Another place proving that the dead have no . . . feeling. There is, saith he, no duty, no science, no knowledge, no wisdom there. Solomon judgeth that the dead are asleep, and feel nothing at all. For the dead lie there, accounting neither days nor years, but when they are awaked, they shall seem to have slept scarce one minute."-- Martin Luther, Exposition of Solomon's Booke Called Ecclesiastes, page 152.”

[@KamalasFakePolls]

Too long, didn't read.

[@DanielnKitavi]

@@KamalasFakePolls It's not that long to read. The idea is that Ellen White didn't teach that the immortality of the soul originated with Catholicism. She says it predates Catholicism. So Myles question around the 17:00 mark is a bit misleading. The question led Joe to spend time addressing something he didn't need to.

[@TheUntoldStories-e8p]

what about the Last super was it Thursday, Friday , Saturday or Sunday.

[@calvinmcnorton7466]

Prophecy is the great arbiter in this conversation. Just as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of man. God told His disciples concerning these last days that they would be known and hated by all men. The truth has never been embraced by the majority of the religious world and certainly not by the world in general. By virtue of Jesus statement to His disciples concerning these last days, these gentlemen would automatically be excluded as being true disciples of Christ! Christ true disciples in these last days are going to be slighted, their statements misrepresented, they will be proscribed, slandered, rejected and hated by society and the world, imprisoned , impoverished, banished from society and finally be put to death. These men who speak so strongly against the Sabbath and other biblical truths will never experience the ire of the overwhelming majority of this world, governments and society. What they are teaching is affectionately embraced as true worship but Revelation 13 and 14 puts all of this in perspective. The Beast worship is put on full display and the majority are loving it. The Catholic organization has considered themselves superior to God in that the early church fathers stated that they take the place of God almighty on this earth. These men have given themselves up to doctrines of devils and seducing spirits. More can be said and more needs to be said on this subject!

[@yvonnebaboolal4617]

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter, fear God and keep His commandments... Ecclesiastes 12:13.

[@FourKidsNoMoney]

How does citing a writing addressed specifically to the pre-Messiah Jews prove anything? This is what sabbatarians always do, instead of addressing the arguments against their position they just cherry pick a verse out of context and say "that's all I need..." it's not very convincing, especially when EGW has been so thoroughly disproven as a prophet.

[@Justpassintrue7]

Ty Jesus Ty brother. I enjoyed this

[@pdanoe]

like healing to my soul to watch this

[@DaniRiti-q9v]

Revelation 21:4 “he will wipe every tear from their eyes. Death will be no more; mourning and crying and pain will be no more, for the first things have passed away.” Even if the verse were speaking only of the righteous, it would still be ironic that the righteous would feel no pain when considering the tormented souls of the wicked. It is much more natural to read this verse as showing the complete lack of pain or death for the wicked too. That would be the true end of death.

[@TheSerabachi]

Biblical proof on Sunday worship….. non given. That’s a red flag for me. Why the 4th commandment is an offense to many, but the other 9 commandments are ok. 🤔

[@answeringadventism]

No, you simply didn’t listen. Which is clearly evidenced by your question and the standard “only 9 not 10” line which was literally addressed.

[@sebastianmutua6790]

First who fooled you the Bible only has ten commandments? Does the 4th commandment say thou shalt not worship God on Sunday?

[@FourKidsNoMoney]

No one said the sabbath commandment is offensive. Christians both Catholic and non-catholic still hold all of the commandments in their fuller spirit. They still set aside time for worship (every day not just one) and they hold to all the expansions that Jesus made on the commandments, for instance not just avoiding adultery, but avoiding lust in their hearts as well.

[@WariPatapu-cc7bf]

There's nothing written in the bible that says that if you worship on Sunday which is first day, Jesus Christ is the first fruit and Jesus Christ rose on Sunday so is the resurrection day.

[@Marey-hw6wn]

English please.

[@untoldhistory2800]

‘Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.’ Revelation 22:14 Christians MUST keep the 10 commandments. Not 7 or 6 or 9, but 10.

[@AronYanimo]

Read the History two gentlemen. Don't waste your time arguing, even both of you can't write books like EG white did. Smart talking but have nothing.

[@AndorDavis-cb6jw]

Born attending Sunday church Today I am a Proud Adventist 😊🎉💥⭐💫🌟✨

[@answeringadventism]

That’s nice. I was born attending the SDA church and now I’m a Christian by Gods grace.

[@revelation12_1]

Pride is not a virtue.

[@evanzanyswer6295]

@@revelation12_1 Going to church on Saturday is not keeping the sabbath!

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

@@evanzanyswer6295 Pride goeth before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. You simply worship with the Jewish & Israelites under The Old Covenant. The Risen Lord initiated The New Covenant. Go do some Biblical research and church history, of EGW is not a scholar 3rd grade, head bonked, 3 week coma, too weak to write etc etc etc and so forth -----

[@SevereFamine]

Ignorance is bliss 🎉😊⭐️💥✨🫣❤️

[@johnkoehler7955]

If Pope is not prophet, receiving divine revelation, officially, than Ellen is higher than pope in sdaism

[@SD-hs2pk]

Don’t regard the pope… But if she also isn’t then what?

[@TheUntoldStories-e8p]

Ezekiel 18:20 "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son" Catholics during funeral priests say our brother or our sister is in heaven. If they are in heaven then there is no judgement for the dead. Catholics have apostle creed "I believe.... the resurrection of the dead. HE will come to judge the living and the dead" If dead is already in heaven then where is judging dead already in heaven. Mainstream Christianity is all defection of each other.

[@sylviamanring9975]

We are not WRONG WE have black and white writing of Proof.

[@Jasmineocreates]

So good!

[@MrGoodrat]

I disagree with your comments at the beginning when you were claiming that Seventh-day Adventists don’t believe in the divinity of Christ. You made two claims: 1) that Christ was exalted before the creation of earth, and 2) that Jesus set aside His divinity while on earth and thus He was just a man. For point number 2, I think that’s just reading something into Ellen White that isn’t there. Jesus never ceases to be divine or possess divinity. She is simply saying that He didn’t rely on His divine power to live the life of a man. Like when Christ said, Of my own self I can do nothing. He relied upon His Father like we must. That’s all she was saying. This is evidenced when she shows that Christ’s divinity would flash through His humanity at times, etc. He Himself claimed divinity in moments like when He said, Before Abraham was, I am, and when He healed the paralytic as proof of His ability to forgive sins which was a divine prerogative. Ellen White acknowledges these. “It required nothing less than creative power to restore health to that decaying body. The same voice that spoke life to man created from the dust of the earth had spoken life to the dying paralytic. And the same power that gave life to the body had renewed the heart. He who at the creation ‘spake, and it was,’ who ‘commanded, and it stood fast,’ (Psalm 33:9), had spoken life to the soul dead in trespasses and sins. The healing of the body was an evidence of the power that had renewed the heart. Christ bade the paralytic arise and walk, ‘that ye may know,’ He said, ‘that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins.’” The Desire of Ages, 269 But number 1 is where I really disagree. I hear people make this claim often, but read what Ellen White actually wrote about this: “Leaving his place in the immediate presence of the Father, Lucifer went forth to diffuse the spirit of discontent among the angels. He worked with mysterious secrecy, and for a time concealed his real purpose under an appearance of reverence for God. He began to insinuate doubts concerning the laws that governed heavenly beings, intimating that though laws might be necessary for the inhabitants of the worlds, angels, being more exalted, needed no such restraint, for their own wisdom was a sufficient guide. They were not beings that could bring dishonor to God; all their thoughts were holy; it was no more possible for them than for God Himself to err. The exaltation of the Son of God as equal with the Father was represented as an injustice to Lucifer, who, it was claimed, was also entitled to reverence and honor. If this prince of angels could but attain to his true, exalted position, great good would accrue to the entire host of heaven; for it was his object to secure freedom for all. But now even the liberty which they had hitherto enjoyed was at an end; for an absolute Ruler had been appointed them, and to His authority all must pay homage. Such were the subtle deceptions that through the wiles of Lucifer were fast obtaining in the heavenly courts. *”There had been no change in the position or authority of Christ.* Lucifer's envy and misrepresentation and his claims to equality with Christ had made necessary a statement of the true position of the Son of God; *but this had been the same from the beginning.* Many of the angels were, however, blinded by Lucifer's deceptions.” Patriarchs and Prophets 37, 38 Jesus was always divine. His authority and position were always the same. According to this there was simply a clarification of that because of Satan’s accusations. I just wanted to clear that up. God bless.

[@answeringadventism]

I never said Adventists don’t claim Jesus is divine. I’ve done multi hour presentations on this exact subject. And no, I didn’t “read into Ellen White” what isn’t there. This is cited on the SDA church’s own website. Again, something else we have looked at numerous times in depth: “Philippians 2:6-8 says that even though Jesus is God, He set His divine nature aside and took on human nature. He came to serve us-to show us God’s love for us and live as our example. He came to minister to people through his perfectly obedient life. He obeyed the Father in every way, even when it led to a humiliating death on a cross.” Yes, the SDA Church teaches the Kenosis Heresy. That while on earth, Jesus was only a man who set his divine nature aside. The divine status that was conferred upon him by God the Father. And yes, we’ve addressed Parriarchs and Prophets pg. 36 numerous times. Adventists love citing this without looking at the breadth of the theology. Ellen contradicts herself constantly. Which results in language possessing zero meaning if you can take what she says exhaustively and claim it squares with Patriarchs and Prophets pg. 36. “God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son.”-Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 8, pg. 268 (8T 268.3) You want us to believe “given,” “exalted,” and “made equal” means “he always possessed this.” And this is the problem. SDAs haven’t exhaustively studied these quotes but cite them to support what they personally may believe or think. If made equal, exalted, and given all mean “he always possessed this” then language is meaningless. You’re copying and pasting sections of Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1 that we have looked at exhaustively. At great length. Entire pages. 17-24. We know the narrative. We know all the quotes you cited. You have to make words mean something cryptic to avoid the fact that she very plainly claimed repeatedly that Jesus was made equal with the Father, given authority he didn’t previously possess, etc. this is completely consistent with what early SDAs taught and believed. No, they didn’t agree with what you’re putting forth. That Jesus was co-substantial and co-equal with God the Father and the Holy Spirit from eternity past. Because that isn’t what they believed nor what Ellen believed. They didn’t even believe the Holy Spirit was a person until 1898.

[@MrGoodrat]

@@answeringadventism Thank you for your response. You quote the official Adventist page and claim it is kenosis, but I think you would be hard pressed to find an actual Adventist, including the author of that article, that believes in kenosis and means kenosis when they say Christ emptied Himself of divinity. From the same article you quoted from, just a few statements before the one quoted, the author writes: “‘The Word became flesh, and dwelt among us…’ (John 1:14), but this made Him no less divine. Jesus was still 100% God (John 1:1).” Got Questions on their article on kenosis writes this: “It is better to think of Christ’s ‘emptying’ of Himself as a laying aside of the privileges that were His in heaven. Rather than stay on His throne in heaven, Jesus ‘made himself nothing’ (as the NIV translates Philippians 2:7). When He came to earth, ‘he gave up his divine privileges’ (NLT). He veiled His glory, and He chose to occupy the position of a slave.” They also write: “He also voluntarily refrained from using His divinity to make His way easier. During His earthly ministry, Christ completely submitted Himself to the will of the Father (John 5:19).” No Adventist would disagree with this. I think it’s pretty clear this is what Adventists mean and believe. Not that He literally put aside His divine nature when He was a man. And as I said, Ellen White constantly refers to Jesus’ divine nature while He was a man on earth, so she didn’t mean that either. Regarding your quote from Volume 8 of the Testimonies, you argue that the language is clear. But language can mean different things. Some argue that because the language of, “This day have I begotten Thee,” we know Jesus had a beginning. But when you look at the whole picture (such as Acts 13:33) we see that this does not mean Jesus had a beginning. But I think the evidence points to the fact that Ellen White did not mean that Jesus at one point did not have the position or authority He now has. Note that Volume 8 was published in 1904. It uses similar language from Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 1, Ch. 1 published all the way back in 1870. Yet 14 years before Vol. 8 of the Testimonies was Patriarchs and Prophets in 1890, with its extremely clear language that Christ’s position of equal authority and position with the Father was from before and the exaltation Satan was fighting against was simply a clarification of Jesus’ position. So, if we are to take the narrative that Ellen White began with a demoted Christ who was promoted and then switched in PP to a Christ whose position had not changed, how would it make sense for her to return to her original position 14 years after Patriarchs and Prophets? It doesn’t make sense. The fact that she’s using the same language as she did back in 1870 fourteen years after Patriarchs and Prophets shows that she doesn’t mean by that language what you are claiming she means. She must not mean that Christ’s position had changed. The Bible uses similar language in John 5:26 when it says, “For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself.” I think rather than saying Christ at one point did not have these things, I think it is more referring to the submission of the Son to the Father even before the incarnation and God’s ultimate authority. But it is something I will look into further. And I think there are even hints of the clarity in Patriarchs and Prophets in The Spirit of Prophecy, Vol. 1. She says right up front that, “He was one with the Father before the angels were created.” She uses language like, “But Christ was *acknowledged* sovereign of Heaven....” And she says when talking about the loyal angels reasoning with those beginning to rebel: “They clearly set forth that Jesus was the Son of God, *existing with him before the angels were created;* and that he had *ever* stood at the right hand of God, and his mild, loving authority had not *heretofore* been questioned; and that he had given no commands but what it was joy for the heavenly host to execute.” Note here that Jesus is separate from the angels as the Son of God, that He ever stood with God, and that He had authority and had commanded the angels before the special acknowledgement of that authority. So I don’t think she changed her position. Finally notice this statement published in 1859: “Satan fell because of his ambition to be equal with God. He desired to enter into the divine counsels and purposes, *from which he was excluded by his own inability, as a created being,* to comprehend the wisdom of the Infinite One. It was this ambitious pride that led to his rebellion, and by the same means he seeks to cause the ruin of man.” (Testimonies to the Church, Vol. 5, 702). She states the reason Satan couldn’t have Jesus’ position was because he was a created being, thus the only option for Christ in her thinking was to be not created. As she said, one with the Father, ever at the right hand of God, no change in His position or authority, and equal with the Father. So I don’t think the language means what you say it does based on this evidence. I think you are doing something similar with her language to what non-trinitarians do with passages like Psalm 2:7 or John 5:26. God bless.

[@joynpride9094]

The word is the final say so . Not ignatus

[@answeringadventism]

@@joynpride9094 no one said Ignatius is the final word. Who said this? It’s odd how Adventists don’t understand what citing a historical source means. Believe it or not you can cite things outside of the Bible when discussing historical matters. Believe it or not all of human history isn’t contained in the Bible. Ignatius was cited as a HISTORICAL source. And yes, he’s a valid one and far more historically reliable than your prophetess who made countless historical blunders that she attributed to being from God himself.

[@joynpride9094]

@@answeringadventism I’m saying ignatus has NO SAY SO AT ALL so bringing him up is pointless .. history is a lie . Roman Catholic is white magic . It’s all in your Cathecism

[@PridenJoy-u61]

@@answeringadventism council of laodicea canon 29 Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.. How they going curse us for following the Bible 😂

[@PridenJoy-u61]

@@answeringadventismthe catechism has a lot of dark stuff in it . You read it?

[@joynpride9094]

@@PridenJoy-u61 obviously he ain’t read it … if he did and still had this perspective that is crazy fr !!

[@DaniRiti-q9v]

When someone is on the brink of death, and specific resuscitation maneuvers such as mouth-to-mouth breathing, or mechanical or electrical shocks are used, they only help the patient to breathe again. This is their purpose. We are not yet pulling on his soul (as a second identity) to stop it from leaving the body. But we only deal with his breathing. However, we know that these maneuvers do not always achieve their goal. It means that something beyond us, the connection with the Source of life is broken. And then, the one who was a living soul, (like a light bulb disconnected from the electricity), stops working.

[@KamalasFakePolls]

Why are you spamming nonsense that has nothing to do with the video?

[@kimartist]

​@@KamalasFakePolls Actually there was a discussion of the soul & soul sleep in the video.

[@kimartist]

Also true that the soul can (sometimes) be pulled back into the body after the connection is broken - hence, raising people from the dead.

[@sheilabetty2464]

The apostle and Jesus were Jews , so yes they kept the sabbath , however when Jesus died and resurrected the apostles taught that the law was finally finished on the cross no more laws for them our rest is in Christ . Not a day

[@yvonnebaboolal4617]

I'm getting a clearer understanding of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages.

[@DaniRiti-q9v]

"He [God] is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, he who gives to all life and breath and all things" (Acts of the Apostles 17:25). Breathing is just proof that there is life. Many interpret that the breath of life Adam received from God would constitute a separate entity, an immaterial duplicate given to humans. The act of activation by which life began to manifest itself, was breathing, the necessity and condition for the maintenance of life. Not even a double identity.

[@sylviamanring9975]

The ten commandments were changed 3 of the ten.were changed the 2nd, the 4th, and split the ten . I have the catachism study book from the catholic church. You can even get it from the archives with the 1940s seal of catholic pope .

[@joachimharazim3083]

God declared the Sabbath Holy,not the SDA church!! Not only sda's keep the Sabbath day but many others too. I would offer anyone $5000 dollars for proving the change from the bible only,where God declared the Sunday holy. In addition to that, I offer another $5000 dollars to show me from the bible alone,where Jesus declared the Sunday to be the Lord's Day. With all respect in Christ, Joe

[@mikepotter1291]

I don't know anyone that "keeps" the sabbath described in the commandments but i guess first there would have to be a deffinition for how to keep the sabbath holy from the Bible only.

[@SteveG-l7d]

That's a pretty safe bet Joe. Even catholic doctrine states that there is no scriptural evidence to be found to justify changing the solemnity of the day from Saturday to Sunday. They state that it's a mark and a sign of their authority!

[@deus_vult8111]

@@SteveG-l7d “Catholic doctrine” has never stated that there’s “no scriptural evidence” to justify changing the solemnity of the day from Saturday to Sunday. None. Nowhere does Catholic dogma teach that it’s “a mark and sign” of their authority. The sources you’re referring to are not magisterial statements but the opinions of select laymen and clerics which have no bearing on official dogma that all Catholics are bound to.

[@joachimharazim3083]

@@mikepotter1291 compare the false 10 commandments in the catechism and God's 10 commandments in the bible! and why did the catholic church murder all the reformers?? please read daniel 7:25 and tell me who it is?

[@joachimharazim3083]

@@deus_vult8111 it is an insult to God even blasphemy to change scripture.to every of God's originals,satan has a counter feat !! please think about it.

[@TheUntoldStories-e8p]

Believing man then Jesus and God if breaking of God's commandment. Revelation first line itself says Revelation of Jesus Christ which was given by Jesus to John. So its not John's revelation.

[@NoBokee]

Would it not be easier at least in a mental sense to be easier to commit evil deeds if your essence or soul will exist somewhere when you die? Then men are minigods the form is a matter of question, they are immortal. What is the point of God?

[@joeshmo725]

It is appointed for man to die once then the Judgement. The soul makes people want to be good because you can have eternal punishment

[@Fredperez76]

Look up videos of people that have seen Hell.

[@dustins382]

St Paul says to be absent the body is to be present with the Lord. Gonna have to make mental gymnastics and cope on that one, when the meaning is very straightforward.

[@BluefaceBaby-m7h]

Isn't the bible give a clear character of a persecuting power which made the prostestants reformers ( even before the birth of SDA church ) to conclude that it was Roman Catholicsm. In your presentation Myles, you intentionally hose to bypass the sciptursl texts upo which EGW wrote about in Great Controversý. When you want to defend your point explain the biblical exegies on the pont under discussion

[@TheUntoldStories-e8p]

Jesus Christ gathers all his disciples to keep the Passover and it is Last super day. That Passover find out the day from bible and Hebrew calendar. Sunday is day of SUN worshipper Emperor Constantine from where Sunday comes along with Roman Popes, Bishop and Cardinals.

[@WariPatapu-cc7bf]

There's nothing written in the bible that says if you worship on Sunday you will go to hell, where did you seventh day Adventist got this do not add on and do not subtract from God's word teach and preach only what is written in the bible.

[@mariamartins5796]

In the end the herectics and blasfemears will take over the church. Man can twist everything, if they please, but the body and blood of Jesus Christ in Eucharist for the remission of sin. Only in holy Catholic Apostolic Church, the church Her son established. Man made Churchs, trunsubstitiation dosent take place. Virgim Mary said.

[@ApieceOfChocolate]

@41:45 EGW never said that the Catholics originated the doctrine of the immortality of the soul 😂

[@answeringadventism]

@@ApieceOfChocolate it helps if you actually listen. It wasn’t claimed that “Ellen white said Catholics originated the doctrine of the immortality of the soul.” We literally put slides on the screen for people like yourself that have listening problems in hopes that maybe you can read. LOTS of Adventists have made this claim hence why the question was framed and asked the way it was. EGW was cited to show the folklore that exists around this idea. Yes, we know she didn’t claim Catholics originated it. It’s claimed that it’s borrowed from pagan civilizations and was done so by the Roman church and brought into Christianity in such a fashion during the Middle Ages. We’re obviously talking about within a Christian context here, dude. Yes, EGW claims it originated within Christendom at the behest of the Roman Church borrowing from pagans.

[@ApieceOfChocolate]

@@answeringadventism bro, I timestamped my comment. You and everyone seeing this can go to 41min and 45sec to hear YOUR guest claim that EGW stated the doctrine of the immortality of the soul didn’t exist until Catholicism. Thats a ridiculous claim and should be apologized for. It seems you add things to her writings that aren’t there and then have other “refute” those nonexistent claims. I’ve seen this with your podcast on Sam’s channel when reading her commentary on Jesus taking fallen man’s nature, where you ADDED that she says Jesus was sinful. She never stated Jesus was sinful.

[@answeringadventism]

@@ApieceOfChocolate my the irony. I never claimed on Sam’s podcast that EGW said Jesus was SINFUL. You’re a liar. He asked about what she meant regarding Jesus having a sinful nature and I said the claim is that it was IDENTICAL to ours. Which IS what she claimed. I never claimed she said he was a sinner. You’re a liar. And I typically use the quote from Desire of Ages in this subject-where she says he had a sinful nature but never sinned. I’ve gone over this NUMEROUS times on this platform and shown how oxymoronic such a claim is. But notice you completely ignore the context of this discussion where we were OBVIOUSLY talking about within the context of the Christian world, goober. Joe obviously knows she didn’t claim Rome invented the belief full stop and not a single person believed it before hand. For someone that wants to whine about not being charitable your hypocrisy is truly astounding. You guys love latching onto the littlest of things to try and distract away from what’s actually in focus. So pathetic. Can’t actually deal with the substance of the matter so you nitpick to soothe your conscience.

[@sylviamanring9975]

Myles, there has to be a judgement before any of us can enter into heaven. So, we all go to heaven and on the last day God blows a whisel and empties heaven and some go to hell & some get to back to heaven. Catholics dont believe that christ even died for all sin. And that we have to go to purgatory for venal sin to be burned off. Get real!!!

[@jimmu2008]

No, we believe that Jesus Christ died for all sins. Purgatory is not for "burning off venial sins."

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

Chabad Hassidic Judaism has some fascinating insights, in a good way, of the meaning of The Soul. Look up Rabbi Manis Friedman. Excellent Theologian and Psychologist. A very wise man in general.

[@DaniRiti-q9v]

“Enoch walked with God; then he was found no more, because God took him" (Genesis 5:24).And Elijah was taken to heaven, without tasting death. "As they went on talking, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated them one from another, and Elijah ascended to heaven in a whirlwind" (2 Kings 2:11). When Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven, their bodies went with them. If heaven were a place where only souls go, then their bodies would remain on earth. „""Therefore I will add you to your ancestors and you will be placed in peace in your grave, so that you will not see all the evil that I will bring upon you of this place and its inhabitants." They brought this answer to the king" (2 Kings 22:20). /„ The soul who sins shall die.”(Ezekiel 18,20)

[@PastorShayne]

Without excuse, realistically, were you to quote Luther on his views on the papacy and the pope it would be much worse.

[@answeringadventism]

Luther didn’t believe the same fiction SDAs do about the pope changing the sabbath, etc. so it was irrelevant to reference him. When Adventists try and link themselves to Luther by citing his disdain for the papacy it is a serious stretch to try and add some sort of theological street cred to Adventism. Disdain for the papacy has nothing to do with theological foundations and framework-of which Lutheran theology looks nothing like Adventism. Nothing.

[@PastorShayne]

@@answeringadventism the point I’m making is about his vitriol towards the papacy. to say nothing about the Eucharist and the worship of the Saints and idolatry. No matter which fellowship you look into there’s always issues. Certainly I do agree with you that the new covenant takes precedence over all of it.

[@dustins382]

​@@PastorShaynebut wouldn't that be introducing an entirely different topic to debate? Sure, you can disagree with other things in catholicism, but the point of the video is to address the actual claims of Catholics regarding the Sabbath, otherwise any argument could be a strawman.

[@PastorShayne]

Alright, that’s a fair point. I concede. I suppose I’m just frustrated with Protestantism having given up its purpose, as though the key points of doctrine fought for from the Middle Ages are somehow null and void.

[@dustins382]

​@@PastorShayne I think the difference ultimately is that SDA is very much a cult, lying and deceiving to draw people into their fold, as well as having ridiculous arguments and conspiracies that don't match up to reality in their criticisms of Roman Catholicism, whereas the reformers had a bit more valid criticisms. So I can see your frustration and I share the sentiment. If we are going to critique a position, make sure you're actually critiquing it properly, right? Cheers for a genuine and healthy concession. I appreciate it because it's not common for people to have some humility, God bless you for that. 🙏

[@RandomTChance]

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[@kimartist]

Lol I saw some of those too. But I block all ads one-by-one as they pop up to get a little relief from them 😅

[@scholasticqueen]

Me too! When I first started doing research into other churches in my area, I found the church of Jesus Christ. Their website is very tricky! Only their logo has the LDS part. Have been getting LDS ads ever since and ex Mormon videos. Although the ex Mormon channels have been really helpful because I was raised somehow similarly under strict SDA, except without the perceived levels of heaven, the Mormon temples and rituals, and polygamy if it weren’t illegal.

[@RandomTChance]

@@scholasticqueen I have been pausing and blocking ads that I object to. Seems to be working. ✌️🤠

[@ksgraham3477]

Uhhh, color me ignorant, but what is the difference between a Catholic source and a Vatican source? Don't Catholics march to the pope's tune? Anyway, the "Great Conroversy" quotes are highly apendixed and the Catholic Record says that "Sunday is a mark of the pope's authority."

[@CrucemDomini]

I guess that justifies the exegetical hopscotch the SDA church uses to say Sunday is the mark of the beast? 😂 quotes from some random catholic newspaper don’t prove your novel false doctrines. Also the great controversy is highly plagiarized, so I wouldn’t listen to a word of your thieving prophet who steals words and passes them off as divinely inspired. I’d love to know of the verse in scripture where we are told that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast. I’ll wait until the second coming for you to provide it, because it doesn’t exist. Repent and believe in the true gospel and the true Christ.

[@answeringadventism]

So Doug Batchelor’s AmazingFacts is the SDA Church, right? If you see the issue with that then you should be able to spot the issue with equivocating an independent Catholic apologetics organization with the Vatican itself.

[@ksgraham3477]

@answeringadventism I don't get you. I'm referring to this video's guest's wording, plus my own copy of Great Controversy, and various screenshots from various sources of the Catholic Record. I can look up the date, but I'm feeling lazy.

[@anahirodriguez6726]

The Vatican is the primary source of the CC as to EGW being the primary source or the General Conference to SDA, not all Catholics know everything and not all SDA know everything so the primary sources are where all the beliefs are strictly outlined and all believers are subject to abide.

[@remnantone32]

​@@answeringadventism Where did you get that picture of ellen white from with a pope hat fish mitre from? Is this authentic? Never seen this before."Dagon Fish God Mitre " I doubt she would wear anything like this for she taught against this power to warn the people.

[@DaniRiti-q9v]

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable, And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, Nor finding your own pleasure, Nor speaking your own words, Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord; (Isaiah 58,13) „Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him, And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants-Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant„/ (Isaiah 56,6) /And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. (Matthew 24,20)

[@KamalasFakePolls]

Switch to a coherent translation.

[@kimartist]

Typical Hebrew Roots talking points

[@johnsix.51-69]

You should have listened to Ellen White when she said Sabbath keeping is not explicitly in the New Testament, but it is only assumed that they kept the Sabbath. " _The New Testament does not re-enact the law of the tithe, as it does not that of the Sabbath; for the validity of both is assumed_ " Counsels on Stewardship, 66.

[@John_Six]

​@@cindiloowhoo1166Yes, that is exactly what the Judaizers did when they criticized Christians for what they ate, drank, celebrated and days they worshipped. Colossians 2: 16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

[@kimartist]

​​@@cindiloowhoo1166 Judaizing, running back to the 1st century 😢 "But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts." ~ 2 Corinthians 3 : 14-15

[@francoisduminy1863]

Ofcoures they did !!!!

[@nicl8749]

Answering adventists, the church did change the sabbath from saturday to Sunday, and that is not from Adventist books. It’s even in the catholic manuscripts.

[@answeringadventism]

It’s Answering Adventism, not Adventists. And no it isn’t in “the Catholic manuscripts.” Whatever that’s supposed to mean Lol We talked about these claims you guys make in the discussion and it was shown how you abuse them and don’t actually understand what’s being said or the way terms are defined.

[@AnJellyKuh22]

Myles, serious question…how do your AirPods last so long without the charge dying?? 🤔

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

I do not see the difference between the pope and EGW. The Roman Bishop changed both Passover and sabbath. EGW changed the whole calendar of God to a sunrise to sunrise calendar, which is unbiblical. And before ignorant SDAs say anything different, please see my video addressed to Matsphere

[@johnsix.51-69]

When did the pope change the Sabbath? The Sabbath is the Sabbath and the Lord's Day is the Lord's Day. Catechism of the Catholic Church Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath 2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ's Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107 Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord's Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

@@johnsix.51-69 the only day called the Lord's Day in the Bible is the Sabbath day. It's not so much Sabbath has been changed but it's by the Catholic churches Authority that it's been replaced by Sunday which is not found in scripture. So therefore you have to say the Catholic church has this Apostolic Authority and that they are the ones who established it and even the Protestants who keeps Sunday have to admit that the Catholic Church has a sign of apostolic Authority by being able to replace the Sabbath with Sunday and declare it the Lord's Day

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

@@johnsix.51-69 I probably could have worded that better but if I wore it one way a lot of people are not going to understand what I mean but the better wording would be to say that the Catholic Church believes that had the authority to do away with the holidays Jesus established and instead superseded by its own Apostolic power

[@johnsix.51-69]

@@chrislucastheprotestantviewGive me the book, chapter and verse where it says, "The Sabbath is the Lord's day." I know you're not a SDA, but even Ellen White doesn't agree with you. She admits that there is no verse in the New Testament that says Christian worshipped on the Sabbath. Christ gave His church keys to bind and loose which is authority. Not sure if you skipped that part of the video where your question is answered 01:06:50

[@chrislucastheprotestantview]

@johnsix.51-69 for he Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.” Matthew 12:8 Then Jesus declared, “The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” Luke 6:5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God - John 1:1 Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. - John 1:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished. - Genesis 2:3 So we see that Jesus declared He is Lord of the Sabbath. We see Jesus is the Word and through Him all things were made. And because Jesus is God, He blessed the 7th day and set it apart and made it Holy. Now show me where it was ever not made holy, and made into a common day, show me where the first day gets blessed. Show me why the Day Jesus Himself established is insufficient and why Sunday is better. Show me where Sunday is given such respect and reverence. And Genesis 1:14 clearly tells us "14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the "appointed times" and days and years." So obviously when some try to claim the 7th day was suppose to last forever, that is a lie because we see in the text God created these heavenly bodies so there could be years and "appointed times" (moedim

[@CarlosDiaz-mz6bn]

Can God inflict excruciating pain on souls for eternity and still be merciful,??18,20 yrs of a sinful unrepented life=burned alive for eternity,,??

[@ThusSaithTheLord-g2n]

Wow! A former adventist and a staunch catholic - great combo for misleads, misinterpretations and lies!

[@dynamic9016]

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