The Pope's Astronomer - Sixty Symbols

[@sixtysymbols]

See also the Papal Space Rocks: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4CsZaqYZ718kMU And tour the Vatican Telescopes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZTSeH53gZuEl9U

[@bodnotbod]

I'm subscribed to all three channels and when I saw all these Pope and Space videos pop out at once I thought "what's going on!?" :)

[@Catsincages]

Are you trying to get people to unsubscribe?

[@danielherrera2482]

I really enjoyed this episode. It’d be really cool if you could interview others like Francis Collins who are outspoken men of faith but are also involved in science

[@whiterottenrabbit]

What about the Foodskey channel? Care to make a statement that you abandoned it in favour of more profitable channels like this one?

[@signorellil]

@@Catsincages Why? It's a great interview. More of this!

[@Hallelujah_hallelujah]

Brady is a great interviewer. Asking all the questions that are relevant.

[@shorok9333]

30:19 ...

[@Mike-mu7tk]

All metaphors break down when you remove the context. I'm not relgious in the least but I love that answer.

[@djscottdog1]

He gets about aswell

[@xtrakewlguy666]

The pope's journalist prepared the questions for him.

[@NGCAnderopolis]

@@xtrakewlguy666 do you believe that?

[@fernandoschuindt1665]

"The real thing I think is to remind people that astronomy is the kind of thing you can't make a living at unless you have a patron" ouch

[@evilotto9200]

I teared up a little at not having to write grant proposals

[@wendeborn8]

Tis entirely too true

[@MarcinSzyniszewski]

@@evilotto9200 Me too.

[@LemonLadyRecords]

A massive religious figure is hardly who you want as a patron!

[@kingplunger1]

well, thats true for basically all research...

[@DH-be4ur]

Only Brady could interview the Pope's astronomer and still play Devil's advocate.

[@Whargoul1942]

I always got the Impression Brady was religious, but not getting that vibe from this video.

[@RFC3514]

He's being quite angelic, letting so much BS pass unchallenged.

[@garethdean6382]

Mind, he had a few sharp points directed his way in return.

[@StaK_1980]

As well as he should be but also I think he let the answers be answers and didn't bog down on every bit of detail

[@sirprize.7472]

there all devils. in the same satanic club. do you think the people do not know.

[@dexter9313]

As many people already said, great interview. We don't often have the chance to hear this point of view, and I think it's quite intellectually stimulating.

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

I think we should hear the points of views of all prisoners, all so-called "convicted criminals", & their opinions on ALL matters, anything. THEIR points of view are rarely heard & would be original & different.

[@noway325]

@@theultimatereductionist7592 you can find that on the internet thier views are more prominent than most peoples

[@artdonovandesign]

"The Opposite of Faith is not Doubt". "The Opposite of Faith is Certainty". (Fr. Consolmagno). As a Roman Catholic of 70 years, I find that statement to be startlingly insightful and spiritually brilliant.

[@Blutsaugher]

I wasn't expecting to find the comment section so civil, feels unreal.

[@adm0iii]

Sorry for dropping the ball on that.

[@Blutsaugher]

@@adm0iii I'm more concerned at the amount of people saying they've never heard this point of view, I think it is quite common and had been called out in debates numerous times.

[@adm0iii]

You're making very hard to come up with uncivil replies if you keep being so civil. Sigh.

[@anonymousbosch9265]

I’m reading through the comments before I decide on how dark to get and I think I’ll leave the low hanging fruit alone

[@thesunexpress]

Always remember that the world is full of assholes; everyone has one. But that doesn't guarantee they'll all show up en-masse in the KZbin comments section, for the totally predictable cliché effluence.

[@SoleaGalilei]

I'm an atheist and I really enjoyed this video. Fascinating to explore the areas where we differ as well as the points of commonality. Great interviewing from Brady - he has a gift for asking tough questions without coming off as hostile.

[@artdonovandesign]

Well said.

[@Triantalex]

ok?

[@NG-VQ37VHR]

Possibly one of may favorite pieces published by you, Brady.

[@Melomathics]

Really? You have an odd taste.

[@KU-mg9el]

Really? You have an odd taste.

[@noway325]

The last two comments confuse me

[@luiservela]

Guy: "That description would've seemed fantastical to anyone up to fifty years ago, and that description would seem primitive in a thousand years. (pause for impact). There is no description other than poetry that could possibly be timeless." Brady: Guy: Brady: Guy: Brady "That's quite a good answer, Ill give you that..."

[@vickylikesthis]

I got chills. I've always seen that passage as poetry anyways

[@christophergreenDP]

Luis Vela Yep, me too. Poetry is one of humans’ only means of time-travel!

[@gcewing]

It could still be poetic without being blatantly wrong about various things, such as the order in which things were created.

[@luiservela]

@@gcewing Which, according to you, is the correct order in which things got created, If I may ask?

[@chinkle]

Brilliant!

[@xinthralgaming]

"There is no description, other than poetry, that can be timeless" 31:00 This sentence sent chills into my soul, and will carry these words with me. Thank you for this video.

[@RFC3514]

Archaeological evidence suggests that pottery is more timeless than poetry.

[@xinthralgaming]

​@@RFC3514 An interesting theory.

[@jacobphyman5115]

Made me well up. The best description of the Genesis account I have heard.

[@xinthralgaming]

@@jacobphyman5115 I couldn't agree more.

[@gmangladman]

@@RFC3514 can you dig out creation out of the ground?

[@michaelhird432]

I like this guy. He's religious but recognises freedom of belief and is accepting of non-christain ideals while explianing his and others' ideas effectively.

[@rodericktimmerman9779]

I agree. I must say that he's an excellent model of how to conduct a religious debate: understand and appreciate the salient sides of an argument (even if it loathes you), and then demonstrate why you hold your position or would compromise.

[@framegrace1]

In my experience, he's like most of the Catholic religious people I know. Specially Jesuits.

[@jttcosmos]

Yup, like others have mentioned, he's a Jesuit. They're pretty much the "intellectual" arm of the catholic church, and pretty much a force of their own. Not all parties within the church are fans because of that, but honestly think the catholic church would be in a much worse state if they didn't have the SJ.

[@framegrace1]

@@jttcosmos the current pope is a Jesuitst. The first one. I think that's the start of a change.

[@John_Ridley]

I know Guy personally, and I've never seen him ever speak ill of anyone, or not respect any person. He's a great human being above all else.

[@LeoWattenberg]

Man, this is a fantastic video. Excellent questions, excellent answers!

[@arispertesis2419]

I just want this interview keep going!!!!!!!!

[@MarkoKraguljac]

Its in his last name, great consoler.

[@mitsterful]

16:16 it's Cliff Stoll on the left!

[@GeorgePlaten]

No way!?

[@sixtysymbols]

Good spot - they are good friends.

[@Nilguiri]

Brother Guy shares some of Cliff's mannerisms! 15:20 & 30:13

[@Danilego]

@@Nilguiri omg, I hadn't noticed that but you're totally right!

[@DFYX]

@@Nilguiri I totally missed that but you're absolutely right. Even the way his voice changes when he's excited is very similar to Cliff.

[@misophoniq]

With eyebrows like that, your glasses will never be dirty on the inside!

[@UncleKennysPlace]

World class, to be sure.

[@Tfin]

Or clean. You can't strip all the oil from your hair, especially your eyebrow hair.

[@bradley3549]

I'm here to tell you my bushy brows are constantly greasing up the inside of my specs. It's a never ending frustration!

[@misophoniq]

@@bradley3549 I stand corrected. ;-)

[@mokovec]

Thanks for talking to such an atypical interviewee!

[@FreekaPista]

I keep coming back to this interview time after time. Listening to Brother Guy speak brings me so much joy and enlightenment.

[@dmk351]

really liked this series, very sympathic guy!

[@non-inertialobserver946]

Sympathic, a word that exists in most european languages, doesn't exist in english.

[@RFC3514]

Well, he _is_ a second-generation P.R. guy...

[@iliakorvigo7341]

Non-inertial Observer, "Sympathetic" is the English word.

[@RFC3514]

@Ilia Korvigo - "Sympathetic", in English, generally means someone expressing sympathy (empahty, affinity, understanding, etc.). The word used in romance languages (ex., sympathique, in French) means "likeable" or "pleasant". They share a common root, but mean different things.

[@iliakorvigo7341]

@@RFC3514 I am very well aware of that meaning, just as I am aware of another one: "(of a person) attracting the liking of others" - this is taken from the Oxford Dictionary of British English.

[@MephLeo]

I disagree with a lot of what this man says, but I sill think it's quite interesting to hear his points of view, both the personal and the institutional ones.

[@calebsherman886]

This is exactly my view.

[@LordQueezle]

That's the fantastic thing, we can completely disagree with people and still have an interest in what they are saying, especially _why_ they are saying it

[@arnowisp6244]

@@LordQueezle And yet many atheist can sound as ignorant as those who they claim to oppose. I only hears about him because of others who said he would sound like a "Charlatan" when faced with "Real" scientist.... Until I did my own research and found he had a Carl Segan metal to his name for advocating science to the public. Shows you have much ignorance can persist on those who call themselves "freethinkers".

[@DanielC01000100]

This is one of the greatest videos that you've made. It very enlightening

[@IMadeOfClay]

I'm an atheist and religious people usually do my head in but this chap is awesome. Ps [19:55] "white elderly British males". I wonder if he might be referring to Richard Dawkins??

[@philadeos]

Pretty much... I'm atheist and I STILL can't read Dawkins without throwing the book across the room...

[@RFC3514]

Doesn't that make it harder to read?

[@Tankej0527]

I don’t think it is surprising when white males are certainly a majority in science, most outspoken atheists tend to be white males, and most people he would come across are white males. This feels very strongly like poisoning the well

[@RFC3514]

Elderly white males also constitute the vast majority of the Catholic Church establishment. And the totality of Guy Consolmagno. Again, as with his fallacies about science, we're left wondering if he's just supremely confident in his oratory skills to slip that description in unnoticed, or if he really has such huge a blind spot.

[@IamGrimalkin]

It is true that elderly white males make up most of the higher-up hierarchy of the catholic church, but he mentions he doesn't see them all that much. The team he works with as shown in the pictures looks a lot more mixed, (and looking it up) he's spent 2 years teaching in Kenya, which is hardly going to be full of old white people. I dunno whether he himself is 'white' or not, by his complexion he could feasibly be another ethnicity.

[@sk8rdman]

"The opposite of faith isn't doubt. The opposite of faith is certainty." -Brother Guy

[@akashp01]

oh boy!

[@frankpichardo5299]

Nope, Biblical faith is assurance: “Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.” Heb. 11:1

[@frankpichardo5299]

Seine O'More People of faith come in all levels of education. Education means nothing without wisdom. Example; Educated Atheists are usually foolish. They believe there are around 100 genders. They’re Atheists,, yet they believe in an immaterial part of a person? That’s weird. Haha!!!

[@sk8rdman]

@Seine O'More You almost certainly have met such people. It would be foolish to assume that you know the faith of everyone you've met. I'm sure many of the intelligent people you know exercise some form of faith. Those who do exercise faith and also claim certainty in it lack the insight that Brother Guy is sharing with that statement. He contends with doubt every day, and sees it as an integral part of his faith. To him faith and doubt are two sides of the same coin, and one cannot exist without the other. To rest one's beliefs firmly in their faith or doubt at the expense of the other is to exercise certainty. Thus, certainty is the opposite of faith, because in order to have faith one must contend with their doubt. If one is certain in their beliefs then they have no doubt, and thereby also have no faith. If faith is light then doubt is darkness,. One who experiences only light or only darkness can see nothing, and thus certainty is blindness. One can be blinded by doubt just as they can be blinded by faith. To truly see one must have both.

[@DerAykac]

@Seine O'More Normally i would be on your side, but to my own surprise, not this time.

[@petersmythe6484]

I am glad this interview exists. I definitely not think I agree with everything he said (typing this around 16:40, that part stands out). I just think this is good for it to be out there.

[@kennethwesterby2998]

Agreed, great intervju. Happy this is out there.

[@illustriouschin]

I think he was speaking of truths as the way the term is used in this context and not necessarily what he believes personally.

[@tauceti8341]

Guy is a phenomenal communicator both scientifically and spiritually. This one really hit home for me and made me feel accepted for once rather than shunned. It's always good to have an open mind and to remember we're all human, and we're all stardust. These were excellent videos with Guy, I really needed this rn.

[@bobcunningham6953]

I was coming to the end of this video when I had to pause it due to the noise from a large military aircraft from a nearby base. Normally, such pauses give me a moment to proudly reflect on my own military service, and the service of others. Just now my thoughts during the pause had a tinge of shame to them, that the world we inhabit contains so many soldiers and so few people of deep faith and science. This interview with Father Guy has popped me out of my normal set of relatively fixed perspectives. Something for which I'm very thankful and frankly overdue.

[@User-jr7vf]

I'm also a soldier and I know what you feel.

[@SmegEdmoOn]

16:19 The man on the left looks suspiciously like a certain glass-blowing mathematician often featured on the Numberphile channel ;)

[@RFC3514]

Can't be him, though; he's perfectly still. I know it's a photo, but Cliff Stoll would still somehow be moving like a madman.

[@BenTajer89]

It's extremely possible, they both got PhD's from the University of Arizona: Guy in 1978 Cliff in 1980

[@Anchor9Studios]

I noticed that too! In another video with Consolmagno (I believe I telescope video), a paper shown on the screen cites Stoll from SUNY Buffalo. The small world of academia.

[@OlliWilkman]

I had the pleasure of being "interviewed" by Brother Guy. I was the token local astronomer on panel at Worldcon 75, sitting next to astronaut Kjell Lindgren, and very much paralyzed by impostor syndrome.

[@John_Ridley]

Anyone who doesn't have impostor syndrome is probably in the worst part of the Dunning-Kruger curve. I am honored to know a bunch of people who are SO much smarter than I am, and I think every one of them is waiting for "them" to find out that they don't really know what they're doing.

[@OlliWilkman]

@@John_Ridley It wasn't so much about the smarts, though of course I was very junior compared to the others, barely a year after my PhD. It was just that I was a nobody sitting on a panel with these big names that everyone obviously were there to listen to. But I did manage to relax eventually, and even got some laughs from the audience and my fellow panelists. It was by far the most fun public appearance I've ever made.

[@Triantalex]

ok?

[@Kardinalfel]

I get a "Klein bottle guy" wibe of this Guy. Just full of interesting things to show and talk about :)

[@sean..L]

His voice is similar.

[@qwertyuoip1234]

16:16

[@RFC3514]

Plot twist: it was Cliff trolling us with Jesuit BS all along.

[@gidifihrer3966]

He looks so excited to talk about his work so passionate about science and theology it’s great

[@arnowisp6244]

Indeed, he even has a Carl Segan medal for promoting science to boot.

[@chinkle]

Brady, I’m so thrilled with this set of videos. Thank you for introducing us to Br Guy! I am moved by his insight into the intersection between science and religion.

[@andrewhunter2520]

The opposite of faith isn't doubt The oppositite of faith is certainty (right around 15:45) Beautifully said

[@danielshurina4200]

Amazing interview, thank you Brady for sharing your platform with this amazing intellect.

[@GameDesignerJDG]

This is probably my favorite all time video. Brady is not an academic, but he is a genius. The questions were pointed and clever in a way that I could never accomplish. Guy is an equal genius, but very much the academic and theologian. Having the two talk to and argue with and commend each other is an incredible experience. I'm surprised this video doesn't have a billion views.

[@rorybrooks1969]

This is a wonderful video, and a powerful illustration of how following both scientific and religious practises is not mutually exclusive. I used to be one of those overconfident kids who wholeheartedly rejected the idea of religion and claimed that I “believed in science”, without ever really knowing what that meant. If I had seen this back then, it might’ve done something to change my perspective. It is inspiring to see how modern religious leaders are acknowledging the part science has to play in our understanding, and welcoming the progress that science has produced.

[@PKAmedia]

"being at the Vatican means I don''t have to write grant proposals *so many scientist world wide, jealous oh so rising*

[@Abstract3030]

This is brilliant. As s scientist, I was looking for something like this.

[@ronaldderooij1774]

I am in every part of my body and brain an atheïst. But if somebody could convert me, it is this man and this man only. Every time I listen to that man, I have the feeling that his ideals are even higher than mine in life and in general. That bothers me somehow. I like to think that (for my reality) I have the best and the highest views of what life is and what it should be of anybody on earth. And then he comes, telling me things that I think "oh, that is extremely deep" and that bothers me as an atheïst. I don't know if anybody understands this comment, but at least I do, halfway.

[@RFC3514]

So what you're saying is you are easily swayed by smooth PR talk and deflection? ;-)

[@ronaldderooij1774]

@@RFC3514 No, I am still an atheïst. But he gave me food for (hopefully independent) deep thought.

[@energyboat4682]

Just keep open-minded, that is the best thing you can do. Remember that we are not on this beautiful Earth for an infinite time, so never get comfy with one set of ideals. Be calm and open to the philosophies of all people, and through all the noise and nonsense you are almost guaranteed to gain some wisdom where previously you had felt certainty.

[@DForce26]

Dude...This guy's reasoning was full of fallacies...I can't see why people like him so much...

[@AlexanderShamov]

@@DForce26 Because he's non-confrontational. I guess people just like being reassured that it's all fine, there's no conflict, no cognitive dissonance, those who believe there is are just a few insecure white dudes, and let's just all be friends, nevermind the irreparable damage being done to our culture and society.

[@TheDigitalrunner]

Really interesting and professional video, Brady. Had no idea this position existed until now! This guy is really well-spoken and you always seem to ask the questions I want to hear asked. You've given me a lot to think about! :)

[@bg954]

I like that Brady took on the challenge of a philosophical question with a Jesuit brother, very ambitious ! ;-)

[@MrMas9]

Absolutely fantastic interview !

[@MarcoRoepers]

I wondered if Georges Lemaître was one of his predecessors. Lemaître was very important for the discovery of the development of the theory of the expanding universe. He was a Jesuit and a scientist in the Vatican as well

[@johnboyd782]

LeMaitre was not a member of any religious order; he was a diocesan priest and physics professor at Univ. Louvain. He did attend a Jesuit high school.

[@MarcoRoepers]

@@johnboyd782 Thank you

[@noway325]

@@johnboyd782 if he was a priest he had to be a member of an order doesn't he ?

[@johnboyd782]

No. A priest does not have to belong to a religious order.Those not in an order are ordained for a particular diocese. My brother-in-law John is a priest of the Archdiocese of Dubuque,Iowa. This runs a college in Dubuque. Like LeMaitre, John was sent to get a grad degree to qualify to teach at His archdiocese’s college.

[@TalalAlkhadra]

the joy this brought to me watching... ahhhh! GO BRADY GO!!! You interview mighty well... and with the ease and flow of an A Class narrator of the great works! atta boy from this old man here!

[@JamesWylde]

This is one of the best videos I have seen for a long time. The view that Bro. Consolmagno holds is refreshing and his openness to discussion & reconciliation (I don't like that term but it's the best I can think of) of traditionally divergent views is thought provoking (I think he intends it to be so?) and rationally articulated. I hope to meet this man someday.

[@xlittlep]

Thank you Brady for this wonderful video. As a devout Catholic and all-around curious science-enthusiast, I really enjoyed it.

[@jimkennedy4509]

This is a fantastic interview

[@nosuchthing8]

I can see why the pope chose this guy

[@ThomasMalenfant]

That's great to see this kind of interview can be out there ! Good job Brady !

[@lucianopiscopo4331]

This is a very good production, the interviewer's voice is very clear you great backdrop too. The rest of the production also very good, graphics and historical matter was well presented. Very well done and can I add also the sound level was high enough so no need for captions.

[@austynhughes134]

Easily one of the best videos out there Brady.

[@Squossifrage]

19:49 let me guess, Dawkins and Hitchens...

[@maninspired]

Yeah. His explanations for why they do what they do indicate, at least to me, that he has no clue.

[@jacobscott2597]

Writing off all atheist thought as insecurity really says a lot about the bubble he exists in, and his intellectual honesty.

[@Squossifrage]

@@jacobscott2597 projecting much?

[@jacobscott2597]

@@Squossifrage No

[@dimomarkov8937]

@@jacobscott2597 where exactly did he "write off all atheist thought"?

[@captainmaay]

That is definitely one of my favorite interviews, Brady. He is a really interesting person. Thank you for introducing him to us

[@sabouma]

Really interesting video and Brady, you're indeed (like other people are saying as well) a great interviewer!

[@expchrist]

"There is no description other than poetry that can be timeless" - that's a good answer!

[@luiservela]

Brady. You just scored a home-run with this video. IT.IS.FANTASTIC! Thank you.

[@tobiasheal]

I really liked that Brady took the time to ask about the research that Guy was doing as well as asking all of the obvious questions about the intersection between science and religion (which I think Guy answered extremely well).

[@TeamMuchers]

This is a really great interview!

[@HenrikoMagnifico]

He's like the Steve Jobs of Philosophy

[@ommurg5059]

12:30 this is when the typical condescension and "Tsk tsk oh you you almost had it" starts, its the same every time, no matter how nice or patient you are, I personally am still tired of these Apologetics and brush offs and false equivalencies to try and conflate unyielding faith with a pursuit of true knowledge, not pouring over old scrolls written by madmen or debating semantics of phrases dozens times translated for 100's of years, no, REAL pursuit of knowledge. The fact Religion has an ENTIRE wing of study called Apologetics is crazy to me. "Yes we know its crazy but here is how it may not be if you look at it just right and take away all context." To compare what we can all agree on and experience as reality to faith in any given thing is absolutely disgusting, and I hope not done on purpose. Not being able to see an electron with my eye IS NOT the same as believing in some omnipotent being. TO even suggest that, seriously, is just.....yuck. I respect this mans candor, his drive and his lifestyle, but the way he arrives at his positions and characterizes others while glorifying religion does not engender me to any of those at all, in truth they sicken me. I am sorry to go on this screed I value religions place in the world but hate its, excuse the pun, holier than thou attitude. Still a great video and a great man, I just really hate these typical talking points and seeing them on this channel. Not they they don't deserve to be heard, just that I personally am tired of how old and disingenuous they are. Coached in niceness and surrounded by straw men to disarm you to his half truths, but so much of what he said was just huge reaches so many times. I don't mean to sound so mean, I truly do respect this man, but his equivocations were allowed to go by and it really bothered me. I apologize.

[@AlexanderShamov]

You don't sound mean, you sound rightfully angry. And I think the fact that his nonsense is normalized, while you're the one who feels the need to apologize, indicates a serious problem with our culture.

[@roblaquiere8220]

I need to comment that I agree with you. You said it perfectly here.

[@bencheevers6693]

This was an exceptionally good interview.

[@Kowzorz]

This guy has a certain Sean Carroll cadence to him.

[@stagga89]

This was an intensely interesting interview! Great job Brady

[@ObjectsInMotion]

Interesting note on Galileo!: It was actually papal astronomers that brought up evidence against Galileo during his trial. They had been observing stars for years looking for stellar parallax, which would prove that the earth moved, but failed to find any. It was based on this evidence that they concluded that Galileo was likely not correct in his heliocentric theory, not on any biblical understanding. Even galileo's telescope wasn't powerful enough to detect the very slight change in stellar positions. It wasn't for hundreds of years that the first instance of stellar parallax was discovered, finally proving the theory correct.

[@RFC3514]

This is misleading (or very naïf) apologist nonsense. People aren't put on trial for "incorrect" or "incomplete" astronomical observations. The fact that he was _on trial_ to begin with makes it pretty clear that *his "crime" was challenging the infallibility of the church.* And for that, it's _irrelevant_ whether he was right or wrong. Any "scientific evidence" against him was basically a propaganda move, to try to discredit him, because the church *had* to be right. Its power (the power to put random people on trial simply for disagreeing with them!) depended on maintaining that lie. *If any "papal astronomers" had taken Galileo's side, they would have been tried and convicted along with him.* The fundamental point (and historical lesson) of Galileo's trail is not one about astronomy. It's about how the Catholic Church (and religions in general) deal with dissent. Also, there is absolutely no need for "stellar parallax" to "prove the theory correct". The sky could be completely dark except for the objects in the solar system and it would still be trivial to conclude that the Earth is not at the centre of the solar system. And Galileo didn't come up with the theory, anyway, Copernicus did (also, it wasn't exactly a theory, but let's not get into that). And Kepler figured out the orbits. Galileo simply confirmed it experimentally (i.e., he "proved" it - without any need for stellar parallax observations). What was demonstrated about one century later (by observing distant stars, with better telescopes) was that objects _outside_ the solar system don't orbit around the Sun (i.e., the Sun isn't the "centre" of the universe - in fact it's not even exactly at the centre of the solar system).

[@arnowisp6244]

@@RFC3514 "It's irrelavent whether he was right or wrong." And that begins to discredit your own statement.

[@RFC-3514]

@@arnowisp6244 - If you think that, then you didn't understand my "statement". The trial wasn't about how accurate his calculations were, or even if his model was remotely correct. The trial was about *blasphemy.*

[@aelolul]

Truth seeking understanding, and understanding seeking Truth. What a great way to describe the relationship between religion and science. Excellent video!

[@KataisTrash]

I must say, this video was very interesting to listen to.

[@dollabz777]

"The opposite of Faith isn't doubt, it's certainty." How incredibly profound.

[@user-iw9hj3fi1z]

*Send me a Direct message right away*

[@MattSeremet]

12:00 "like black holes like electrons" wow Brady didn't even finish his sentence and he's already on the defensive. There wasn't even an argument to be had... My biased self can't finish this. The rhetoric is always the same. Just like he said, they "don't want to make it all up on their own" [so they feed off the well of never-ending philosophical retorts provided by others in their cult]. Side rant. I wasted 6 years in Catholic school when I could have been at the well-funded public schools in my town doing chemistry and biology in their labs or art in the studio instead of studying why you can't be whole without the new testament.

[@tubalooney]

Well said

[@commenter3287]

Brady, I am a big fan of your work. All of the channels plus HI and The Unmade Podcast and this is probably my favorite thing you have done. You are such a fantastic interviewer.

[@eduardogordon6787]

Fantasic interview Brady - The questions were direct and yet very thought provoking. I really like how Brother Guy was able to answer everything with such grace and clarity. He's clearly a person who's spent much of his life philosophising about the spiritual aspect of science and the reconciliation of that with todays world. I think at heart all people who are religious or scientific at heart are philosiphers just coming from a different place, trying to figure out how the world makes sense and so it was great to hear the thoughts of someone who has feet firmly in both camps and wants to bring them together.

[@TheYermilov]

One of the best videos on this channel.

[@soberhippie]

How does one grow such magnificent eyebrows?

[@pauld8747]

MiracleGro.

[@davidsisk9013]

Great Interview!That Astronomer is very intelligent!!His answers were very spot on ,brilliant!!

[@bighugejake]

This interview brought to my attention that the previous (retired) pope is still alive. I forgot about that. What a strange thing.

[@arnowisp6244]

Popes only retire upon death. It's unheard off until now for two living Popes even if one is retired. (Outside of conflicts on who was Pope centuries ago) So yeah, its really strange.

[@tga240]

As someone who grew up in a literalist, fundamentalist church, but has rejected their ideology (but not Christianity) as I have gotten further into science, this was fascinating. A lot of well thought out arguments. A lot of things that would make the people at those churches mad...

[@another505]

Amazzzing answer at 31:00, you should interview him more!!!

[@NoahSpurrier]

One of my favorite 60 Symbols interviews.

[@thomasnesmith5426]

So what about all the religions that disagree with other religions? How do you reconcile that? There are no tests or experiments to demonstrate one is more correct than the other. All you can do is cite "faith" that you are right. At least when science conflicts with science you can start looking for a way to test which is right or wrong or the reality is a combo of the two.

[@Metroyeti17]

Thank you so much for this interview, Brady. I've been a huge fan of your channels for ten years now. To me, learning about physics and astronomy and chemistry has deepened my love of theology. I love that you share perspectives from people ranging from Dr. Moriarty to "the Pope's astronomer." He's voiced so many things I've struggled to put into words my whole life!

[@m00nsplitter72]

It's not a common occurrence to be captivated for over half an hour by a KZbin video but this was a welcome exception.

[@sixtysymbols]

Thanks for watching!

[@hfelippejr]

Wow, I've just finished the trilogy-or the trinity ;-), as it says on the video description-and I'm amazed at the entertainment, knowledge and profundity of these videos. Thank you so much, Brother Guy, Brady and James.

[@MrJopi79]

Great interview, Brady!

[@francescovultaggio2540]

This video is amazing, it really touched me in a way difficult to explain. Your questions are really inquisitive and his responses thought provoking. Amazing, i am going to try and find his books!

[@E_Clip]

17:16 Well then you can take any statement as an axiom, but that doesn't make it objectively true, it just makes it a subjective axiom. Axioms exist mostly in Mathematics and Logic and they are in no way a basis for the Scientific Method. Science nowadays is almost devoid of Axioms, even those few that exist arent taken seriously and some are even challenged. The key word being challenged. That is why science and religion are incompatible. Science allows for challenging the knowledge we gain, religion doesnt. He even says so himself shortly after that timestamp when he explains how he deals with contradictions to his axiom. And i find it funny how he stresses that this bit of science contradicts that bit of science. Sure, that happens, but when a contradiction happens, we try to solve it and make sense of it, discard what's not true and establish a new truth based on empirical evidence. Its called the Scientific Method ... or simply progress, take your pick. Science doesn't worship at the altar of an unprovable/subjective axiom (no pun intended), therefore it can and will contradict itself at times, until we figure out why and how it contradicts, and arrive at a better - more truthful explanation. Will that be the final and definitive explanation? Most likely not, but it will be closer to the truth than before. Im trying to think of an equivalent of 'God is real' in Science. Since science doesnt care about axioms, there probably isnt an equivalent. I do think that perhaps the Big Bang would be at least close to that? Dunno, in my mind I guess it kinda makes sense to equate them at some level because they both describe how it all began. If you've got a better idea, please let me know. Most scientists I think accept the idea of Big Bang because at the moment it makes sense based on what we know and observe. But many do not like the idea of Big Bang, its still a contested theory. And if it turns out to be not true? Scientist will accept that it isnt true because newfound evidence points to a different explanation. Pick any theory that is believed to be true, scientists will never ever stop questioning it. That is why science and religion are incomparable and I think its very dishonest of him to try and say that they are similar, sorry they aren't, they diverge right from the get go. Sorry no amount of sweet talk (gotta give him credit for that he is very well spoken) and niceness will sway my pragmatic mind. Nice try though, he almost had me before this timestamp, but after that ... well it kinda all went south pretty quickly. There is no point in discussing objectivity when the foundation of his argument is a subjective axiom that he never questions or challenges. Cant get more anti-science that imo. But then again, I could be wrong in my conclusion or how I interpret his views. Would love to see Prof. Moriarty react to this video though. Make it happen bois!

[@chillsahoy2640]

I truly appreciate this honest conversation with Brother Guy Consolmagno. My personal disclaimer: I am very much an advocate of science, and atheist. But if you push me to pick, I'd say that I can be somewhat spiritual. Not in any kind of supernatural sense, but in the sense that science helps us understand the sheer beauty of the natural world. The universe is weird and bizarre and unlikely; and the fact that it happened to result in a planet which ended up being the birthplace of a species called Homo sapiens, which became a way for the universe to know itself (to borrow a phrase from Hank Green), is a beautiful concept. To anyone curious about spirituality I recommend you look up the scene in The Last Jedi where Luke explains the concept of the Force to Rey. As an atheist, that is the most compelling and sensible explanation I've heard for anything that departs from pure scientific facts, without being all about faith and belief in physically impossible events.

[@Pfhorrest]

Why is it that religious people always start talking about Gödel and axioms when we're not discussing a formal axiomatic system at all here? We're not picking axioms and proving things from the ground up (in science at least), we're looking around us and ruling out any possibilities that are not consistent with how the world looks. Science is not foundationalist. He even say in this video, science doesn't prove anything, math does.

[@PWBERRETT]

Most of the people posting here probably would find a church sermon quite boring and unsatisfying. But here is a man of faith honestly and intellectually discussing the big issues in life and putting forward his views and experience, and these same viewers, even those who disagree with his views, admit that this video is engaging and relevant. I think this proves that religion is still relevant in our day and age, not in terms of providing simple answers to complex and difficult questions , but in terms of saying to us that life is about struggling to explain these essential questions. This video also demonstrates that given the right format and interviewers theology can be engaging to viewers and fill a critical need. We have just been privy to a long and thought provoking discussion on religious matters but because we choose to watch and listen rather than be forced to go to a particular place to do so, and because the subject matters is discussed in the context of the things and interests that we have, we find this a much more pleasant and engaging way to cover the subject matter. I think there are lessons for churches in all of this namely in the way the church relates to it's audience and members.

[@darkjannn]

Mad respect for the quality of this interview, Brady. As always, your questions are spot on. I do however feel that you could've pressed the point a bit more when Brother Consolmagno simply stated your definition of science to be that of religion. Obviously, some people treat science as a religion and some theologians can even treat religion as a science, but the underlying processes of how to find (any approximation of) the thruth are fundamentally different! Still, I'm happy this showed up in my feed and I'll certainly be interested in similar videos in the future.

[@vidroiualin2060]

agreed, but it's not a debate. The man was answering a question in the way he saw fit, and respect for Brady that he didn't fall into the "let's try and correct the guy on his answer" moral trap, even if he disagreed with it. When you interview someone you don't act as if you know the right answers and you're checking his to give him a score, you ask the question and let them give you an answer, even if that answer might be wrong.

[@andrewkelly2028]

What a wonderful video! Thank you for the interview.

[@artswri]

This man is a truly rare person. Articulate without flaw, rigorous without mindless dogma, hard-edged but lovingly so. And Brady's interview execution is extremely well considered, deeply penetrating, but also respectful and lovingly performed. Everyone who has a spiritual aspect to themselves should listen to this (and that means _everyone_!!)

[@awjaaa]

^^^^ this

[@thomasgamsjager7045]

Excellent questions, excellent interview. And it is a joy to listen to a person who really knows what he is talking about.

[@Chariotuber]

I love this interview! As a religious person in science, many of his views are almost exactly my own.

[@MichaelSteeves]

Guy put into words many of the things that I think, but have a hard time expressing.

[@Froggeh92]

the philosophy going on here is absolutely fantastic

[@Depressed_Dinosaur]

Brady, This may be your best interview yet. Brother Guy is fantastic, and should be the next Sagan. Thank you, yet again. Subscribed, belled, and patroned!

[@TechnoCaveman1]

It was such a delightful experience listening to brother Guy, a truely fascinating person. Brady, man, you are such a good interviewer, so insightful and probing. Thank you for this video, this has to be one of this channels best videos.

[@AlaskaSkidood]

Wow, I wish more Christians would talk about science and religion like this! It's so hard to overcome the stereotype of blind faith, every word of the Bible is literal, critical thinking is bad fundamentalists that give more reasonable people a bad rap.

[@philadeos]

Yeah, Fundamentalism is a blight. It's terrifying how many people have set their destiny to that doomed philosophy. It doesn't bode well for the future.

[@j.k.6865]

All Catholics in general are like that. You're probably thinking of protestants.

[@AlaskaSkidood]

@@j.k.6865 Ya, I'm thinking of Protestant fundamentalists. I don't think I've heard of Catholic fundamentalists; I'm sure they exist, but I don't think they have the political or social clout the Protestants do in America.

[@Kommandant7]

What a wonderful conversation: great questions, killer answers.

[@JamesV1]

He looks like a wizard in an RPG

[@RFC3514]

Very much a priest. With a high score in diplomacy (and eyebrows), but still very much a priest.

[@joshuarichardson6529]

Now that's we've seem the pope's astronomer, can we interview the pope's Game Master?

[@airmakay1961]

Terrific interview and an insightful peek into a religion-science relationship different from what this atheist is accustomed to. Go Brother Guy!

[@jelmerl1458]

I'm not religious myself, but I have a lot of respect for Mr. Guy. To always question everything, take nothing at face value and then decide on your beliefs is truly inspiring, wether you share his beliefs or not. Deep respect

[@tiborpejic2341]

This guy is fantastic. I would've love to read a book about religion, science and life from him.

[@CypressPunk34]

Great video! It's always interesting to hear perspectives like this.