The "'Positives" Of The Ukraine-Russia War - TommyKay Talks

[@austinneece7853]

I agree almost entirely with all of this. You must defend yourself, no matter if you have a strong alliance or not, you must defend yourself with your own abilities.

[@sw36jl]

That is what South Korea and most Asian nations like Singapore who work closely with the USA have been doing. Frankly, the Europeans have been absolutely negligent about their defenses.

[@juliushakala5148]

@@sw36jl Most have, but gladly we didn't do the same mistake in Finland

[@okebul5474]

a bit weird to realize that now I`m watching TK video while hear explosions outside my house...greetings from Ukraine)

[@wetplant1748]

I hope you and your family stay safe. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

[@FriedrichBarb]

Bless Saint Javelin and his lock ons to be holy and true. Dont forget when aiming out window of your apartment that switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading.

[@okebul5474]

@@FriedrichBarb and using a knife is much faster than sidearm)

[@ruski6043]

Крепись брат 🇷🇺🇺🇦 best wishes from Russia

[@XandrY2K05]

I hope Ukraine can maintain its independence even if by the price of losing its Eastern half in the process but at least once that happens Ukraine will be integrated into the EU and with the help of the west it will be Much more faster to rebuild the Western portion of Ukraine while Muriupol‚Kherson‚Kharkiv‚Donestk and Lugansk remains in shambles...

[@pizzapatriot1769]

I think Tommy has a point. I think in all probability things won't escalate into WW3, but shit happens. Not saying to go all out but maybe working out a little might be a good idea, plus, its good for you anyway. Also, knowing how to operate a firearm wouldn't be a bad idea either. Also, I hope this conflict ends very soon. People in Russia and Ukraine are suffering all because of the ego of a few men. Let us hope that no matter how this ends, the lives of the people involved are able to rebuild their country and the lives that they had before.

[@nbewarwe]

Also, in america, joining the army is a good way to pay for college.

[@evilmojito4924]

@@nbewarwe unless they find a country that has a lot of oil, then ur fked

[@ostapkuri4986]

I agree man with many things that you say except the ego part, even though I agree about the ego part, but probably we speak of different people. Just to clarify, you most likely talk of Putin and heads of Russian government whereas I after following the conflict for the past 3 years and doing a lot of research on it, I can confidently say that in my humble opinion U.S is purely responsible for it in almost all ways. I know that I'm Russian even though haven't lived there for 8 years already since my parents got better job offer in Poland. The point of me saying this is that I find it, if you think about it with absolute logic and reason and not emotions, to be very silly of Ukrainians to defend their country, because they obviously got no chance. If Russia won't make progress for a long time, they will not go with their hands up saying we give up, that's not how great powers work in real world. They will abandon their policy of negotiating with Ukrainians and try to convince them into surrender instead of doing an unnecessary massacre and they will just turn Ukraine into Yugoslavia 1999, just put their cities to the ground how NATO did it. Ps. If you're interested in the topic more than just listening to what media tells you, you can watch Vladimir Pozner's and John Mearshimer's take on it

[@eisbergsyndrom5010]

@@ostapkuri4986 It is not silly of them. And I don't just say this from an emotional place. Yes, Russia is much stronger than Ukraine but the war is still taking a toll on Russia. Sanctions, protests, international isolation, economic disaster. All this makes the Russians bleed metaphorically. The longer the Ukrainians hold, the more pressure is applied, the more Russia sufferes. The more drastic measures Putin takes the harsher the consequences for him and his country. There is a practical benefit in delaying the inevitable as it increases the chance of it not being inevitable.

[@ostapkuri4986]

@@eisbergsyndrom5010 I understand where you coming from, but you must understand that a major power would not handle a loss, they would rather bomb Ukraine to pieces than take a loss, and longer they resist, worse it is going to be for them, and more families will either perish or be left without fathers.

[@SKB.16]

what i also like as a european you feel that unity even more if you country borders another country im so happy that the EU exists and it makes europe like a big family and i also felt rly bad for these ukrainians even thought i dont have any family in ukraine it just felt wrong sitting here and watching while they are still fighting Edit: Thx for the Likes & agree

[@animentis8987]

True

[@Nick_Sivo]

Actually no. Volunteers are going on their own and the army consists of reservists, so there is no harsh conscription as Tommy said

[@ALEX20hoc]

Zelenskiy already issued general mobilization order and there are reports of some men captured at the border trying to evade service and flee the country.

[@reasonvoiceof]

@@ALEX20hoc nah general mobilization doesn't mean scraping the barrell, there are several levels of mobilisation targets and regular people are the last to mobilize, we don't need conscription anyway we have so many volunteers that conscription is unnecessary

[@ALEX20hoc]

@@reasonvoiceof sure doesn't mean that everybody got sent to fight, but men between 18 and 55 are already forbidden to leave the country.

[@yevheniidynnyk7930]

@@ALEX20hoc It's not a big problem for us. We'd rather die fighting for our country than live in an autocratic putin's shithole

[@worldwidexxl]

@@ALEX20hoc country needs to work even in a war, this rule doesn't mean all men going in the army

[@raihanwidodo1042]

I feel people now especially gamers know how to shoot a gun and they feel if their country got attacked they'll be like " oh I know how to shoot a gun hurr durr" but they don't know how to read terrain map, cleaning a gun, military leadership, basic tactics, walking in 30kg+ gears, etc. ARMA roleplayers might know better than average people but again, war is no game

[@DaDARKPass]

Even then, Arma operations often try to still emphasise the fun aspect and don't try to add all the realistic details which are boring, and provide no added challenge from the player's perspective.

[@14roma88]

in Ukraine we have defense of fatherland lessons where we learn basics of a military and gun shit

[@reasonvoiceof]

Хуйня такая лютая, форму блять покупать надо за 600 гривен

[@linusjklett]

As a German I support a mandatory year or semester of civil service, meaning that everyone needs to work for society at least for 6 to 12 months and you can choose what to do, like Army, Healthcare, Security, Elderly care and so on… And before people say: You only want that cus you wouldn’t need to do it, I would need to do it as it would probably be between 18-25!

[@muninnsays9296]

I’m 17, also German and I support it, however I’m not exactly sure because it would cost a lot to start it up again and the money could be better used on modernising the Bundeswehr.

[@nervachadikus]

I don't think Tommy realises that, even if every country NATO had voluntary service, its still so much stronger than Russia. So, while putting the armed forces on higher readiness is good, stuff like conscription and that yearly training stuff is, in my opinion, unnecessary. The time when it is necessary might come ofc.

[@hasselnttper3730]

"even if every country NATO had voluntary service, its still so much stronger than Russia." - That's true, but the US pays for most of that strength. Our own armed forces would be much weaker without American satellites, drones, logistics and other military infrastructure. That's why it's so important for our nations to spend at least 2% on our own military forces, or we might risk bankrupting the US. It happened to the Soviet Union.

[@Lancynical]

@@hasselnttper3730 And when the US hypothetically disappears from NATO, it's a free-for-all for Europe.

[@hasselnttper3730]

@@Lancynical And China becomes the world's only superpower like the US after 1991, while the US becomes poor (and maybe fragmented) like the former Soviet Union.

[@muninnsays9296]

@@hasselnttper3730 the Americans brought it on themselves, every time we brought up an EU army before this year they threatened us because it would take away their power. They don’t want powerful allies they want more useful vassals. Fuck them, I hope they and the Russians end up bankrupt.

[@DaDARKPass]

@@hasselnttper3730 The united states spends a lot on military, but it's not going to bankrupt itself on military. It's the largest gdp in the world and is able to afford massive infrastructure plans that will improve upon dozens of areas.

[@davinnicode]

It‘s funny because should their be a need for Germany to defend theirselves in a war it will backfire extremely that every small feeling of patriotism is condemned immediately in this country. Why would people want to fight for a country where a lot of people don‘t have or don‘t want to have a connection to it anymore and basically hate those people who have a different view then them? Germany is totally unique story when it comes to these topics. Of course foreign policies were basically ultra defensive but even more so are there shortcomings in domestic policy which have been felt since the loss of WW1. Hitler abused the situation to the unimaginable and now Germany is country without a real identity not knowing which direction to go.

[@LtGhost-tb3kq]

I feel sorry for Nationalistic (not Ultra-Nationalistic, learn the differences) or Patriotic Germans, they’re extremely oppressed and are taught to basically hate their country all because of past mistakes of an angry dictator.

[@DaDARKPass]

Germany still does have an identity, and people would still want to fight for their families and freedom; It's just not so patriotic.

[@sadhungrybutatleastimhones1862]

Absolutely agree BUT I also fear that instead of becoming more disciplined and stronger against outer threats, we will see further extension of state surveillance and other 1984-sytle "security" policies, like we saw them after 9/11. They use outside threats as an excuse to greatly limit the freedom of the general population.

[@aaroncabatingan5238]

They'll probably use this as an opportunity to monitor the political parties and groups funded by the Russian government. Which they should have done so years ago.

[@sadhungrybutatleastimhones1862]

@@aaroncabatingan5238 Yup

[@DAN-sf6jd]

Tommy is right, everyone needs to know the basics to survive if something bad happens, and the men whould know how to defend themselfs but heres the thing. In countries like Benelux or Germany and western Europe in general, like 98% of the population doesnt know what war feels like and how is it to live in a state of war. Then there are the balkans and ukraine. Almost all men between the ages of 45-65 know how it feels to shoot a gun and fight, same with Ukraine that has been fighting since 2014. Theres of course the prencetage of people that are willing to defend their homeland etc. I belive esspecialy now all governments of Europe should promote civilian military excercises and similiar things.

[@morkmello5367]

It also helps bring a revolution

[@STARGUN8687]

Tommy is saying facts. Serve in reserve once a year is gonna be only for your good.

[@kingofrivia1248]

I disagree with one thing, if we talk about the military its important to also conscript the women. If there is a draft it needs to be all men and women. I dont care that they are women im not risking my life when half the country can just stay athome.

[@miguelpadeiro762]

Do you know who played a major role in keeping the engines of war running during ww2? You can't just send your entire healthy adult population into the battlefield.

[@Normalguy1690]

Trying to become a combat medical technician. Currently they are going through my medical records hopefully there’s no problems and I can get out there.

[@mnessenche]

I disagree to fight for my country for that is not the category for a "just war", I am , however, in agreement to fight for freedom for that can be the only category for a "just war" - if there is one at all.

[@sarge3294]

I don't disagree especially when talking about countries closer to events like what we are seeing unfold in Ukraine, but in the USA, any form of military service is a massive commitment. You have to sign an eight year contract of service with four of them being mandatory active duty. Reservist occasionally serve full time as well. Luckily, the USA has a strong military culture and our military is mostly composed of people who genuinely want to work in the military as a long term career. We also live in a relatively safe part of the world. Thus, the American HoI gamers need not leave their room for anything if the world catches fire.

[@davinnicode]

I think the US have done it the right way integrating the army into society of the country. Participating regularly at all kinds of events and directly presenting them as an integral part helps a lot for the cause. In Germany the reputation of the army has become somewhat abstract. People have no contact whatsoever with it and therefore have no imagination about what they actually do. The services are basically separated from society. I mean it is hard to move the reputation of an army in to the main lights when people are extremely pacifistic and not even slightly patriotic

[@adamp4045]

I'm joining the Swedish navy in setember as a mechanic :)

[@tulipalll]

👍 awesome!

[@elarmino6590]

The serious thing is that wars are ALWAYS resource wars or breaks of hegemonies or systems of global order Moscow is threatened by Ukraine indirectly, its large natural gas reserves make Ukraine a serious competitor at his doorstep threatening his energy supremacy over Europe, this is how a "mono"productive country thinks, the same thing happened in Iraq against Kuwait.

[@glebius6831]

Hello, I am a young Ukrainian who plays HOI4. It would pretty difficult game, but we'll prevail.

[@thorondor5465]

Lol that word Xenophile :D

[@giubob1862]

Opposite of xenophobe

[@trrr938]

@@giubob1862 let's be xenophobic

[@jaltsu9283]

@@trrr938 it's really in this year

[@ZinvictanGamer]

@@jaltsu9283 let's find a nasty slimy ugly alien to fear

[@besacciaesteban]

Tommy: "Imagine germany has a huge army" Putin: "That's the excuse i would need to finance doubling my own army!"

[@RV-cv2yt]

But comrade Putin, with what money?

[@miguelpadeiro762]

@@RV-cv2yt Breaking news: Putin announces Blyatcoin, Russia's new cryptocurrency that will replace the Ruble and "save Russia" "Invest pls" -Vladimir Putin

[@RV-cv2yt]

@@bodiant5887 Oh , wait, but no one is gonna buy it...

[@MisterJae_wastaken]

I agree very smart tommy!

[@sinoroman]

comfort doesn't last forever

[@JRBendixen]

Good on you tommyk

[@wowomah6194]

Putin literally looks like a James Bond villain right?

[@cpt7752]

I remember tommy calling his chatters stupid not too long ago for saying a military was essential. And he was saying soldiers are useless. How ironic.

[@Supergforce777]

What someone changed their mind when presented with evidence. Can you imagine if everyone was like Tommy

[@tulipalll]

I think it's inspiring. Good on him for having an open mind and changing it when faced with reality. More of your 'irony' would be nice

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

Breaking news; Grisha beats up Tommy.

[@Nickel_Eye]

what mod is this

[@sigma5437]

Dude, there is like 200-300k of people with combat experience from 2014-2021 years. Also a lot of people who served in soviet/Ukrainian conscription army

[@DaDARKPass]

Yes, and they're winning. The 200k-300k strong military is paying off. This is especially considering that before 2014, their military was like 2000 men strong.

[@sheikhmufasafasagan1973]

I aint even in the eu , but still my country is still threatened by a neighbouring country , so i have already tried to get into military by doing a military medical school exam wich i failed cuz of my poor eyesight but still i dunno if it would stop me from joining the reserve and i dunno if it is the same problem in eu ?

[@samtheman4931]

What country

[@sheikhmufasafasagan1973]

@@samtheman4931 morocco

[@reggie69.]

I heard morocco was best friends with Algeria

[@sheikhmufasafasagan1973]

@@reggie69. people yes , gouvernements hell no

[@Glumbus1]

@@reggie69. i have heard the opposite

[@reeuss4932]

Some people here dont realise that Russia has largest nuclear arsenal in the world and everybody knows that. So question for some people how Nato is treatening Russias existence if direct confrontation would lead to fallout? And besides not a single NATOs country has serios border dispute with Russia.

[@danielboymuk1344]

Don't heard about PRO systems?

[@miguelpadeiro762]

@@Vel_D Don't put your confidence on paranoid and mad dictators. If Hitler had nukes, the world would be ash. He made it clear that the German people were as better off dead if his nazi Germany was to fall. Putin is starting to be surrounded diplomatically, economically and militarially: UN ostracism; harsh economic sanctions; Finland and Sweden open to joining NATO. Putin's card deck is growing thin. Once he's empty handed, using said empty hands on a certain red button might be tempting.

[@Logan0o]

What we can learn is that the armed population is the only way forward

[@MindfulMilitant]

Unfortunately for the Ukrainians the chickens are coming home to roost.

[@naitruan]

I give about a rubel for your thoughts. Which, by the current EZB exchange rates, is 0,00€.

[@devildogu1284]

Damn tommy talking bout sth he doest know with the the certainty of an expert

[@GG_1318]

My country can go to hell. I would rather go to jail than fight for it

[@Supergforce777]

From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. We stand with you Ukraine

[@sadhungrybutatleastimhones1862]

Yep, that's it. Learn how to give first aid and to operate a rifle and a Panzerfaust and you can go back home, refresh that every year for one weekend. I'm generally very pacifistic, but that should be absolute standard.

[@HierophanticRose]

Its funny meme without much historical study to give out example of the Gamer years whenever Germany and rearmament is talked, which is on the surface a dumb point ignoring 1000+ years of "independent" German history away Frankish sprachbund and previous history even, and Nazis are only approx 15 years of it. My real fear is actually not that at all, but that this would cause a runaway military industrial complex, which would not benefit the German economy in the long run Then again 120bn a year for a country as big as Germany is not that big by itself to cause this

[@squidontheside5496]

The problem with tommy point of view is that he doesn't understand anything because he doesn't have all the informations

[@giubob1862]

4:40 lol

[@ConstantineTheGreat1453]

Who deicides what they’re doing is evil

[@nevermindthedoves3950]

I do. And I say it's evil. Done. Story over.

[@nicolasg8091]

Basic human decency? Or are you so lost you can’t even tell left from right?

[@miguelpadeiro762]

Morality, which is defined by human empathy. It's a basic notion. Putin has started a needless war, forcing Russians and Ukranians to shed blood for a stupid cause, whilst 1+ million civilians (rising to up to 5 million) have already left the country as refugees. The infrastructure? Destroyed? Say goodbye to the country you knew, Ukraine is in the process of being destroyed and will only rebuild post-war. This is war, war is misery and suffering. Now let's go back to the notions of what decides what is evil and what isn't. Morality. Human empathy. And with our empathy we can feel something right here: this isn't right. Suffering and misery that is uncalled for? That if this man didn't decide to invade said suffering and misery wouldn't exist at all? So we can conclude: this is an act of evil. Selfish ambition. Arrogance. From Putin, not Russia. The Russian soldiers are sent to die for Putin's megalomaniac ambitions, not Russia. He's a evil, paranoid parasite. The only good quality of Stalin is that he lead Russia to victory against the nazis, lead the Russian soldiers that fought for their motherland, their own existance. Putin is very much like Stalin, paranoid, full of himself, callous, ruthless. But he changes in one thing: he isn't a hero. He isn't leading Russia in a defensive stand against nazism, like he tries to make it sound like, he is waging offensive war. And he won't pay for it, the Russian and Ukranian peoples will.

[@ConstantineTheGreat1453]

@@Vel_D foreign policy interactions are not the same as interpersonal.

[@TrapFenix]

why you have to sacrifice yourself in a war that you will not get anything from it as german guy why you have to fight for ukraine

[@feuerwerkisttoll2935]

nah dont want to go to war even if russia attacks germany the times of million men armys are over so 200-300k constriptors should be reached without me

[@МихайлоСоломаха-х3ъ]

Слава Україні!

[@danielboymuk1344]

Слава СРСР.

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

Nah man. I am a pacifist to the core and hate nationalism in every form. Unless somebody was about to institute an ethno-state, a theocracy or something similarly reprehensible I would not fight. I would not fight "for my country" only for my values. ps: on "Putin has already lost" I agree. Not because of the west investing, but just because of the situation on the ground in Ukraine. He still has not broken them and invasion is the easy part. Occupation, guirellia warfare, partisans, protests all that is still coming. If he wants to set up a puppet government in Ukraine he needs to stabilize it by force for quite a while, which is expensive. I dont think that this investment of his pays off any time soon.

[@nicksonnek7641]

Germany massively buffed it's Military it's now stronger than russia

[@leilagorrilla4842]

no, it still nothing, it's not because you gave a budget of 100 Billions that the next day it's the 2nd best army. The german army lacks men, training, experience and equipement, they have to build an army from scratches

[@Θανάσης-κ2γ]

Putin isn't evil Tommy has just never looked at geopolitics

[@stargamerest612]

Russia's move to fully invade Ukraine has taken most of the world by surprise. Even people like Mearsheimer who said that NATO shouldn't expand eastwards didn't expect a full invasion from Russia. Also Putin's actions have been very irrational recently.

[@barramaccannes6374]

@@stargamerest612 Depends on how you look at it. Deterrentents only work if there is precedence. With this Putin is showing the world that he is ruthless and is willing to escalate should there be a need to in the future among other things like having Ukraine as buffer between NATO and Russia, etc. In other words business as usual in the world of geopolitics. It just happened to be in Europe and with Hollywood's main villain aka the Russians, news stations are having a field day. Had this happened in Sudan or something no one would give a shit.

[@fonRihten]

​@@stargamerest612 Well, NATO declined Putin's request for Russia to join in the early 2000s, then the EU didn't respond to his Munich speech in 2007, so what is irrational in protection of Russian interests when the Westerners don't want to be friends with you while knowing about NATO preemptive nuclear strike doctrine?

[@stargamerest612]

@@fonRihten NATO would never attack Russia, it's a complete delusion. It couldn't even stay in Iraq and Afghanistan, it can't possibly expect to keep Russia under it's control. Also, Russia has nuclear weapons, NATO is more rational than Putin.

[@fonRihten]

​@@stargamerest612 Sure, when people say that you lack democracy and after these fine democratic people install brilliant examples of it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya (btw, Gaddafi believed he was a friend of the EU countries' leaders until they bombed him) and Syria, then cast people of the said countries aside because of lack of competence or whatever reason, it is so reassuring and rational to have these fine democratic people's bases along with their missile defense systems (that can make your nuclear weapons useless) right next to you so much 'lacking' democracy.

[@ingamevirus3043]

Fun times. German man publicly supporting AZOV and far right. When Ukraine stabilizes, Things in EU will start to get interesting. Especially now when Ukrainian far right is starting to go public, giving press conferences and laughing and threatening at people who are denying there Involvement in Maidan revolt. "We now have the most amount of Javelins in EU. Except perhaps Britain." A direct quote from one of there conferences by one of the group leaders. Americans are just now realizing what there politicians have done and there asses are starting to chew there underpants.

[@andreygusak]

You should also realize that this "neo-nazi" from AZOV are called nazis because they hate russians (I'm ukranian and I hate russians who are responisble, not all of them) a nd the whole world can see why. Yeah they are far-right, just as the far-right in USA, and other european countries, and not WW2 nazis, as russian propaganda told.

[@sickrantorum693]

I support the Ukrainian "fascists" over the Russian fascists because the latter are the invaders. Deal with it.

[@ingamevirus3043]

@TheMaxntoby Zelenski is an actor. He is not a president. he is a joke.

[@ingamevirus3043]

@@andreygusak here is an American explaining it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZfEcqyfhZ2Kq8U

[@andreygusak]

@@ingamevirus3043 yeah, right, I’m living in Ukraine for 26 years, and I should listen to AMERICAN about things in my country. That’s the deal with both USA and Russia - they always stuck their noses in other countries.

[@pardusmk2595]

Он такой смешной ,серъёзно ,очень жаль что даже он не видит истинного положения вещей

[@pardusmk2595]

@PhD Meilin чел не агрись, я тебе не кремле бот или ураинская шавка(надеюсь объяснять что такое рофл не понадобится) я просто про отношение вне стран СНГ к ситуации

[@erikrose4411]

Russian bot detected

[@eugenevonwolfgang3758]

@PhD Meilin То ли дело украинские СМИ и телеграм каналы, там только правду выкладывают.

[@pardusmk2595]

@@erikrose4411 eh, i was waiting someone like you

[@pardusmk2595]

@Ttwo i reject your rejection

[@VunderGuy]

Big take away: NATO is a giant paper tiger and Russia has the ability to eliminate the air force and navies of most of its members if it wanted. Also, Germany is super weak and compromised.

[@baul997]

But here's the thing NATO is an alliance so putin wouldn't face the navies and air force of just a single nation at once but the combine once that's what makes an alliance

[@citymorgue8462]

So far Russia looks like a paper Bear with how it’s been doing

[@tulipalll]

This comment aged poorly 🤣

[@DaDARKPass]

Imagine saying such a stupid take. Germany, Belgium, and Austria are home to some of the best military arms producers, Germany's military is bigger than the Uk (which is saying quite a bit considering the Uk's military is one of the best in the world), and Turkey's Drone technology has proven itself in the 2020 conflict in Armenia (unfortunately).

[@22imon]

canceled

[@VipaC_]

WA

[@scavulous6336]

Me when I'm canceled (I do not care)