The Princes In The Tower

[@Crazy-Cat-Lady-of-CA]

Their mom had daughters to protect. She had already got Sanctuary in a church and that didn't protect her sons so the moment she spoke up (which she normally didn't have a problem with) her daughters would have had the same fate as her sons.

[@anguishedcarpet]

"Sorry sons, I just don't love you like I love your sisters"

[@Rachel_Humphrey]

​@@anguishedcarpet Her sons would have been already dead at that point. Speaking out would have ensured that her and her daughters would have been unnecessarily endangered. Over what? Justice? There wouldn't have been justice for her sons, not with their supposed murderer poised to gain power.

[@Bllue]

​@anguishedcarpet what could she do when richard came to westminster abbey and took the boys from her in the first place? Honestly thinking about it, she must have been devastated.

[@Houseproudasamotherhen]

@@anguishedcarpet why are men in KZbin comments so dumb? Lol

[@Crazy-Cat-Lady-of-CA]

@@anguishedcarpet She tried her hardest. Richard had already taken Edward to the tower. Richard III had relentlessly badgered and threatened Elizabeth about giving him her second son Richard. Finally she had to give Uncle Dick her second son. She kept her daughters safe. One of those daughters was Elizabeth of York future wife of Henry VII.

[@AngelEmfrbl]

Their dead, thats for sure. Unless their vampires.

[@Spiklething]

Me: Don’t do it, don’t be that person, don’t be a grammar nazi, just don’t. Don’t. Also me: Its they’re

[@L-mo]

@@Spiklething It's it's

[@Spiklething]

@@L-mo LOL! Thanks for being that person too!!

[@RebeccaLynnMusic]

Their what? I'm so confused. What is theirs?

[@RebeccaLynnMusic]

​@@SpiklethingIt absolutely must be done.

[@Doubting_Thomas1]

Are all requests refused because, if it turns out to be the case, this would lay into question the current royal line?

[@margotmargot4426]

exactly I see no comments about that. Clearly the royal family is then the usurper and should not be there.

[@BeannieRey]

No, because the current royal line descends from Queen Victoria. A daughter of the Sax-Coburg in Germany. While some branches of their family descends from the Tudors, it’s traced to Henry the 7th’s oldest daughter Queen Margaret of Scotland. The Princes would’ve been executed in any case once Henry Tudor conquered the Plantagenets. If they had been left alive, his throne never would’ve been safe. As was shown by several plots tied to imposter Princes.

[@LoboxBlanca]

no. all it would mean was the boys were buried elsewhere. there is no doubt they were killed to avoid a war

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

It's always been who can win enough support to fight to get the crown. E.g. we accept William the Conqueror as king.

[@vulpes7079]

The current royal line is made up of descendants of Sophie of Hannover. Nothing to do with the Princes

[@julialevelle6384]

Honestly- this makes me want to cry. Those poor kids. 😢

[@rebecca55371]

Me too.😢 I clicked on her video because she looked like she had an accent. This is so sad.

[@rosemaryallen2128]

A fact always suppressed in all these discussions is that the mother of the Princes in the Tower brought about the murder of two even younger children herself. See the fate of the Desmond family, butchered by Tiptoft at her instigation.

[@melmee2235]

They'd had turned out like their uncle most likely...

[@rosemaryallen2128]

@@melmee2235 In that case, they would have been loyal, decisive, good administators, self disciplined, preternaturally strong, the bravest of the brave in battle, concerned for justice, interested in the law, faithful husbands, devoted fathers, and capable of inspiring great devotion.

[@TheGodParticle]

Maybe history would be a little different if they weren't murdered.. ?

[@WaitUpBrett]

Interestingly, although the 2 skeletons found in the tower were believed to be the princes in the tower and were buried as such in the 30s, when later work was being done on the tomb of Edward the 4th, 2 young boys skeletons were in with the King and Queen. Some historians think they may have been secretly buried with their parents this whole time which raises the obvious question, which set of skeletons , if either, are the princes? and who are the others?

[@saanasalonen8684]

daaamn! thats a twist!

[@laurens3857]

Was it not the queens daughters bodied?

[@WaitUpBrett]

@Tin Watchman it’s fairly common knowledge and is even mentioned on the wiki page of the princes in the tower, scroll to bodies. It mentions those found in the tower and those in at George’s chapel en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_in_the_Tower

[@WaitUpBrett]

@@saanasalonen8684 and to add a final twist, without the consent of the current monarch, no investigations can be carried out into it. The queen never consented to the coffins being opened and the mystery solved by modern DNA analysis. By all accounts though, the now King Charles has a very different view to the late Queen and may well consent to the skeletons being exhumed for testing in the future

[@WaitUpBrett]

@@laurens3857 the adjoining vault is meant to belong to them yes, although coffins engraved with the names of their first children have been found to exist elsewhere in the chapel, weird huh

[@DoctorProph3t]

Lol imagine they do the DNA and find out they’re just two random kids and the royalty had a serial-child-killer in the court. Scandalous.

[@Saint_nobody]

Wouldn't surprise me.

[@redregla1837]

Doesn't the modern day royal family have accused child predators they refuse to let face trial or be investigated and allow access to the families children? Apple clearly didn't fall far from the tree, regardless of who the kids are

[@DoctorProph3t]

@Gary Allen or die in the tower 👀

[@marcelasilveira3797]

Or, the mom menage to get them out, two kids were murder and it was assumed it was them, but the mom never said anything because the kids got to live their life.

[@isuckatusernames4297]

you'd figure they'd need more for the rituals keeping their monarchs alive.

[@katja6332]

Family, as my psychology professor used to say "show me one functioning family and I show you a liar" 😂

[@user-uu3vl2zi4w]

That's really awesome actually

[@89smokeshow]

Dysfunction is still a function. Your professor should go back to school.

[@yourmommther]

My family is functioning… I thought lmao they’re all my best friends

[@m-edesharnais5409]

I would dare say... The Addams family! As WEIRDOS as they are, they do love and support each other tremendously!! 😁

[@deannagibbs971]

@@89smokeshow dysfunction is the implication of unfulfilled function. I don’t think it’s them that needs school, bud 👀

[@dominickbradshaw]

Ughh love her accent even when talking about something so horrific. “2 small skeletons in a box” ugh sounded so soothing

[@unkledoda420]

Really, I'm the opposite, i totally hate British accents, especially when it's a little kid with a brit accent, the absolute worst.

[@dominickbradshaw]

@@unkledoda420 lol understandable

[@Clau-chauNicol]

I remember that we were told in year 8 to try to solve the mystery. All of us poured our little hearts and souls into trying to figure it out, only for our teacher to reveal at the end that no one knew the answer. We were all so angry 😂

[@pelmel1990]

Oof I feel the pain 😂

[@elisabethscott20]

Wow that fills me with rage lol

[@joshuacox5817]

We do know the answer. Its the two princes, and there are legal ramifications for old money if its acknowledged.

[@Carol-vx6er]

@@joshuacox5817that’s not the mystery, the mystery is who killed them and why. Because their mother was quiet and their uncle rose to power

[@webkid4567]

​@@joshuacox5817What kind of legal ramifications could there POSSIBLY be?

[@scotgirl778]

Oh he TOOK CARE of them alright!

[@lenapoolaw211]

😂

[@jenschristiantvilum]

"You want me to 'take care of them'?" "No no. Just take care of them!" "Got ya 😉" "No no! I didn't say that!!!!" "And I didn't hear it 😉"

[@vive335]

@@jenschristiantvilum this comment has ambiguous meanings to it, and I don't like that at all

[@jonslg240]

We don't KNOW EXACTLY what happened, but we all KNOW what happened. They were murdered within a few weeks. Those skeletons may or may not have been them. They could have been decoys. Welcome to a monarchy.

[@MrAquilina420]

Word

[@Suzette-gb7uj]

Whoa! That’s a fantastic story, I can’t imagine how this was not discovered WAY before it actually was. Those poor little boys.

[@titanoboa7165]

(Somebody who can spell 'whoa' correctly!! I am SO STOKED!!!)

[@Suzette-gb7uj]

@@titanoboa7165 that made me laugh! Thanks for the giggle 😉

[@swvacollings290]

One of the saddest ironies to me is that, I believe modern research seems to point towards Richard being correct in a belief that his brother Edward’s marriage was not valid by the laws of the Age. I think you’ve also touched on the theory that the Queen may have committed adultery with a Knight when in France, making at least one of the Princes illegitimate? That said, I’ve no doubt they were all ruthless and power crazy. Your channel is just fantastic and I love it. Thanks.

[@lefantomer]

The part about Cecily is almost certainly bogus, but the TWO secret marriages that made Eddie 4 a bigamist and PARLIAMENT to claim the kids bs-trds is true. Richard was an excellent viceroy, High Constable, and king and fools like this wide-eyed lady continue to blacken his reputation.

[@adamryan977]

But the box was found under stairs, that weren't even built when they disappeared. Furthermore in another part of the tower there were found two children skeletons in a walled up chamber before, but were just ignored. And that's not all, some account stated that their bodies were moved to a better place after their death. Leading to the finding of two unmarked children skeletons found in St. George Chapel, besides the vault for King Edward the IV. So there are a lot of children walled up in and around the Tower.

[@JhadeSagrav]

Bloody hell! How many child skeletons do they have in that place?!?!?

[@lovelycam8631]

Maybe some of the sets are illegitimate children of others. Oh well it's over and done with now and hopefully karma took care of it

[@lookeychookey4579]

Yeah this is what I thought was the story

[@TheRealScooterGuy]

Keep in mind that child mortality rates in the middle ages were pretty high, even for royalty. Other kids could have died at any time and simply been entombed. Add palace intrigue and who knows which "spares" decided to become "heirs" to the throne at some point or another.

[@ALu-nq8rf]

What amount of removed children will make it not the Tower of London anymore?

[@FocusBeyond777]

Their mother wouldn't say anything because Uncle Richard would disappear her too. This was back in the day when women were property not actual people yet.

[@redregla1837]

One of the boys was the king. He murdered the king as part of a coup- of course there mother didn't say anything. She was much less important, legally and politically

[@kirarozu]

I mean sure but I still don’t think most moms would be quiet about it.

[@DoctorProph3t]

@@kirarozu they would if their other children were at threat.

[@pcbassoon3892]

Widows weren't anyone's property, but I don't think Richard would have had any issues killing her either way.

[@satsebeli]

Women weren't property in the medieval times, not even closely

[@auzzieredneck1850]

If this happened back then to royals by the “family “ Who’s to say the same thing didn’t happen to lady Di . 🤔🤔🤔

[@abell509]

And Kate, Louis and Charolette. Clearly monarchy is bad for one's health. The only way out it murder or cancer.

[@titanoboa7165]

RE: Lady (former Princess) Diana was in the way of Charle's marriage to his long-time lover. It's English royal protocol that a royal divorcee could never re-marry if the former spouse was still alive . . . you put the pieces together. And then search the internet for 'witnesses to the Diana and Dodi Fayoud (SP) fatal crash. There WERE witnesses!! . . . .

[@mnomadvfx]

Because she wasn't a royal by blood, and was divorced. People love to obsess over her, but in reality beyond the causes she championed she was nothing special, and neither was the man she divorced who is now king. Y'all need to get a life. Edward V and his brother were quietly murdered by their uncle Richard III to take and secure his succession. Their entire male line ended with Richard's death, and the current royal bloodline all stem from the Edward V's eldest sister Elizabeth of York, future wife to Henry VII. End of story.

[@abbatrouble]

We don't know what happened to the 2 Princes but we know EXACTLY what happened to Diana. The driver of the car she was in ( Dodi's Father's driver and his father's car ) was drunk and on drugs. NOBODY in England could possibly know that at the last minute on a whim Dodi decided to switch cars and switch drivers and switch the route they were taking back to his apartment. Even Dodi didn't know that HIS driver's alcohol level was 3 times the legal limit. Dodi's father was the evil monster who started the rumors of her and Dodi being targeted by the British Royal Family.

[@twinnish]

Because the media was right there as they participated in the death and know exactly what happened. It was a car accident. There are pictures and witnesses. it’s not a cover-up. It didn’t even happen in England for crying out loud.

[@stephenbrundle4350]

This is why we love the royal family

[@tinadavy3990]

😅😂😅😂

[@storytellingchampion6438]

There's no way those kids weren't killed for political reasons. It's one of those: "We know you did it, we just don't have the evidence to prove it."

[@corneliastreet2491]

Rumors mean nothing lol. There are popular rumors about lil Richard moving to Essex and becoming a bricklayer that have exactly as much evidence as claims that either of them were murdered by anyone, much less Richard III specifically 😂 could’ve been one of the tudors, could’ve been illness or malnutrition from poor living conditions, could’ve been suicide, they could have not died at all. Like many people have said, those two were just two of many bodies of children found in, at, beneath, or around the tower. The accounts also describe that at least one of the sets of bones wasn’t the right size for a boy of his age, not sure about the other. There were different sets of bones found with their parents. It’s all rumors on rumors, twisted by Tudor propaganda designed to make Richard III worse than he already was from all the things we know for a fact he did, aided by Shakespeare’s “history” play, which takes as many artistic liberties as all his other works of fiction and is about as based on actual Richard III as Elsa is based on the original Snow Queen. 😂

[@daddy_1453]

No. Its more like "We don't have the political-military power to have you face consequences for your crime even IF we had evidence. You could make witnesses dissappear, threaten judges or just call everyone involved a traitor and execute them"

[@chichivladinski]

Did evidence matter that much at the time?

[@wesleywashington1251]

​@@daddy_1453This is precisely the kind of power Trump is after. The ability to call someone a 'traitor' and have them executed. His supporters either don't realize how dangerous he is or just don't care.

[@afriendlyfaceinthecrowd]

Actually, it was good King Richard III who invented the system of posting bail, so prison reform was one of his many achievements for citizens at that time.

[@pcbassoon3892]

Visiting the tower of London, something about seeing the little court yard where they were last seen playing really got to me.

[@julz3tt3]

yes, me too

[@flxmkr]

Now they’re pillars of the community.

[@adam_p99]

They were last seen in the “bloody tower”.

[@pcbassoon3892]

​@@adam_p99 It was just outside the bloody tower.

[@christinedowie2859]

I've been to Auschwitz. I know that feeling. 😢

[@lunarbaby3]

We need to do a petition to get the bones tested! 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿WE ARE THE PEOPLE!! We have the rights!!

[@lefantomer]

Permission has been granted by Charles. Get on the Duke of Gloucester's case, he's supposed to handle it now.

[@mustang8206]

Not under a monarchy

[@gagesparks5898]

What a weird hill to die on vs oh i dont know how corporations own everything and are killing the environment for profit...or any number of important things vs some child skeletons that are literally a drop in the bucket of child skeletons found there

[@peepeepoopoo8692]

@@mustang8206 you’re delusional then.

[@pinballrobbie]

The Royal family like to keep their secrets .

[@johnevans5706]

So I think there is also a theory that Richard became king to protect them and remove them as a target for assassination. They were kept safe at the tower until Henry Tudor became king and had the boys killed. Richard was apparently well liked at the time, and his portrayal as a villain was down to Shakespeare.

[@shpeen8835]

It's all a Game of Thrones rewrite 😢

[@JayNDez22]

​​@@shpeen8835how so? This happened long before game of thrones

[@SuperLoves4]

@@JayNDez22 it is a philippa gregory rewrite actually, none of the sources of around the period think that the princes were alive before their mother helped the tudors gain power

[@ZiggyWhiskerz]

Oh that's Phillipa who has a HUGE hard on fire Richard. Her whole doc is a joke. 😅

[@NewWaveWill]

On top of that, Richard made the boys illegitimate meaning he had no reason to kill them. Henry Tudor however, posthumously re-legitimised them when marrying their sister to make his royal connection stronger. All the Richard propaganda, by Thomas More and William Shakespeare mostly, were created during Tudor reign making them very much biased. Creating the image of the evil hunchback uncle was far too easy when Richard had scoliosis and kept his nephews in the tower. I think he’s one of history’s most misunderstood figures.

[@grigorirasputin5020]

Little Richard, rather than pursue a career in Royalty, later became a well-known musician.

[@jdsbees3257]

A-wop-bom-a-loo-mop-a-lomp-bam-boom!

[@Bsknten]

My thoughts exactly

[@YourLocalMedic]

Wait what's this a reference to i can't remember

[@grigorirasputin5020]

@@YourLocalMedic The musician, known as "Little Richard".

[@astralclub5964]

Did she say “strap in” or “strap on”?

[@gensimonster5274]

Richard III was the recipient of possibly the biggest hatchet job in history. He was undermined by savage PR work, & betrayed during the Battle of Bosworth Field. This put Henry VII, the first Tudor King, on the throne; he was Elizabeth I's grandfather, & the Queen's favourite playwright, William Shakespeare, wrote the story of King Richard III. So this play is about as trustworthy & accurate as the rattlesnake that promises it won't bite you.

[@JENBARAK]

Thank you for pointing this out. It’s important to know.

[@lalannej]

The English invented "regime change".

[@Wakeupgrandowl]

Are you saying that all our knowledge or Richard III is inaccurate and there is no contemporary reporting that can be considered truthful?

[@istoppedcaring6209]

@@Wakeupgrandowl medieval chroniclers were unreliable as can be, that being said we can deduce that we just can't know

[@jonathanwilliams1065]

And Richard IV was completely erased from history along with his son Edmund the black adder

[@nrprabhu555]

Great Christian monarchy and culture. Bravo!!!!!

[@alexismyers6053]

I stumbled on this story in high school and have been fascinated by it ever since. Like, it’s always saddest to me when it’s kids being hurt for political reasons. They don’t fully understand what’s going on or why.

[@alwaysyouramanda]

This is why we wouldn’t actually have a Batman in real life. The estate lawyers would make sure the kid didn’t survive

[@diezeljames7910]

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[@aliceputt3133]

I personally knew a 36 year old whose rich parents died in a plane crash when she was 16. The Executor brought in a psychiatrist because she was upset, like that wasn't normal. They drugged her then did electroshock on her until she became mentally incapacitated and needed nursing supervision. At 36 she was very childlike and the estate was still managed by the Executor. Never saw anything so sad or disgusting. Reminds me of the Rose Kennedy and Brittany Spears situation.

[@pcfultimes]

@@aliceputt3133 people can do the curelest things. I'm wondering how is it charges weren't brought up on them?

[@mr.chartier9256]

Nothing has changed.

[@julia061174]

I seem to remember reading that historic documents shows that Richard regularly sent money for princes food and other needs in the Tower and only Henry VII stopped the funding. (and, as we know, history is written by the victors)

[@jazzlynshanice1]

Still doesn't make it ok. U locked them away and stole the throne

[@Mialikesthings]

@@jazzlynshanice1That was due to fear of assassinations towards the boys.

[@dlmofva51]

Going to need some references on that....

[@credenzabelladonna-fatale2487]

Didn’t H7 do something similar to Catherine of Aragon after Arthur’s death? I dimly recall reading that she and her ladies were skulking through palace corridors in rags because of some issue with the dowry, before she ended up, so to speak, with H8 to-be.

[@lynneallison1296]

The children weren’t locked away. The Tower was used as a place of safety for the future king. It was comfortable and the boys were allowed to go outside with guards.

[@tonyd5564]

That's a monarchies troubled past. No stopping them. 😅

[@dontuoharris2362]

The royals don't want to give up their claim to the throne.

[@cracklingvoice]

Except that Edward IV and V were of the House of York, Richard III was of the House of Lancaster, and the current crop of monarchs (going back to George V) are of the House of Windsor. These are distinct and separate families. Hell, if you really want to get into it. The House of Windsor is descended from the House of Gotha-Saxe-Coburg by the patrilinieal line from Prince Albert, Consort to Queen Victoria. Victoria was descended from the House of Hanover, which reigned over England beginning in the early 1700s. By that time, the houses of York and Plantagenet were defunct in all but name. Your comment makes no damned sense.

[@janbarstow]

(laughing) quite the opposite! Murders and espionage have been done by all royal lines to maintain power! It’s not pretty.

[@7jcjg]

@@cracklingvoice NERD!

[@rosemaryallen2128]

​​@@cracklingvoice Be assured that Richard lll was the brother of Edward lV and uncle to the Princes, and was as thoroughly of the House of York as it was possible to be. As to the 'rightful' English monarch, she lives in Australia, and is directly descended from the third Yorkist brother, who pre-deceased Edward and Richard.

[@Angel4UTwo]

@@rosemaryallen2128. Yes it is correct Richard III was a York. However he had 1 child who died before Anne did so how is there a claimant stating so?? The only son who lived came from Brother George Duke of Clarence. So Teddy being Earl of Warwick and well we know what happened to him and that ended the Plantagenet line. The warring York line ended with King Richard III.

[@susieg4624]

Don't forget that the person who said they were missing and who said they were murdered by Richard was Henry VII and his officials, who had a vested interest in defaming Richard. Henry's claim to the throne was very weak, through his mother Lady Margaret Hall who was a descendant of King Edward III and passed a disputed claim to the English throne to her son, Henry Tudor. Henry was known for being sly and manipulative; Richard was considered honourable and courageous. Richard was the last king to lead his army in battle; Henry made sure he himself was not in any danger. Following his seizure of the throne from Richard III in 1485, Henry VII executed rival claimants to the throne and then married the Princes' elder sister, Elizabeth of York, to solidify his claim to the throne. Her right to inherit was dependent on both her brothers being dead.

[@Egilhelmson]

Henry VII’s claim was by Right Of Conquest, only. He ignored any other possible grounds, like descent via lines which had given up any rights to the throne, when he dictated what Parliament put in the law which gave him the throne (rather than one of Richard’s heirs).

[@lucyk2371]

Well.....seems like everything worked out pretty neatly for Richard at least for a little while. He just underestimated Elizabeth Bauford sp?....

[@user-rg7uz8of9r]

Richard GOATed

[@aaronpatton15]

Henry VII’s mother was Lady Margaret Beaufort. Lady Margaret Hall is a college at Oxford University

[@user-qb4xq9hq9f]

100% this. Henry Tudor had a huge motive to kill off the princes, while Richard had effectively none. He already had them declared bastards, he was crowned, and they were safely under guard in the tower.

[@KimM13744]

I heard a theory that Henry Tudor was actually the one who had them killed as they were a threat to his rule. Richard III already had them declared bastards before he became king they and we're seen in the tower for a while after that. Plus the idea of Richard III being a big bad evil came mostly due to Shakespeare's historical plays portraying him as such. The Queen at the time was Elizabeth I, the granddaughter of Henry Tudor. Therefore her rule largely relies on the legitimacy of his. Smear campaign against Richard III? Shakespeare not wanted to get arrested or lose his head? I don't know. Dont know how true this is but it does kind of make sense to me. 🤷‍♀️

[@DunkanDoughnuts]

The Princes murder serves Henry Tudor far more than it serves Richard. Always been my opinion they were killed on his behalf, especially as his FIL had access to them at the time.

[@koletonnelson6310]

Well, Henry *did* go on a full purging spree to wipe out every member of the Plantagenet bloodline he could, up to and including harmless old ladies, so. It absolutely fits his MO.

[@j.a.m5083]

Henry Tudor was in France, it’s unlikely his mother who was had them killed. She formed an alliance with the princes mother Elizabeth woodvile her daughter Elizabeth of York would merry Henry Tudor and be grandmother to Elizabeth the first. By the time Henry who claimed the throne by conquest, was king the boys where already missing presumed dead for years, he married their sister to make their children the combination of the two warring sides yorks and Plantagenets, the tudors where an off shoot of the Plantagenets. The Tudor rose was a combination of the white York rose and the red Plantagenet rose. To further symbolize the ‘peace’. If he had killed the princes in the tower I doubt he’d go on to have a super loving and healthy relationship with their older sister who maintained that her brothers where killed in the tower by Richard. It makes more sense their uncle who took them from their mother by force, (who was seeking safety in a convent at the time) then had them delegitimized and took their throne. Had them killed, because he had complete control over their lives, they where in his custody, protected by his guards. Henry Tudor didn’t have access to them.

[@j.a.m5083]

@@DunkanDoughnutsHenry Tudor wasn’t married at the time of the princes death, he would end up marrying the princes sister Elizabeth of York making his father in law the late king Edward, who was also the boys father. I think you mean his step father? But he didn’t have access to the boys, Richard had complete control over who had access to them.

[@DunkanDoughnuts]

@j.a.m5083 yes I mean his stepfather, and yes he did. It was his stepfather who was tasked with caring for the boys while they were in the tower on Richards behalf.

[@kimlegendre3715]

Sounds like what the RF/Charles/Camillia/William need to be confronted regarding Princess Kate, Princess Charlotte and Prince George whereabouts since December 28, 2023! JUSTICE FOR PRINCESS KATE!!!

[@lynaeeakettgreene7208]

As a mother it must have been incredibly devastating and terrifying to know that your young sons are now a target for any and every power hungry heir and as a woman your ability to protect them is only as good as the men supporting you.

[@mcmanus260]

Sadly she and her clan stirred up a hornets nest which led to all this when they attempted to seize the throne. In GoT Cersei Lannister is based on her and the Lannisters partly based on the Woodvilles. Edward IV made Richard III Regent but as soon as Edward died Elizabeth rallied her Woodville allies and had that overruled in favour of a ruling council were her and her relatives had a majority. She effectively was making herself regent instead of Richard. This was a coup she attempted that created two factions among the Yorkists, the traditionalists who rallied around Richard & the Woodvilles & allies. Edward V's age meant he was only going to need a regent a few years and he had been raised by Elizabeth's brother so was firmly a member of the Woodville faction. When their became no reconciliation between the two factions (which Elizabeth in part contributed to) removal of Edward V as king was inevitable (though of course still awful what Richard did). None of this ofc would have happened if Edward married for political reasons instead of for love. Richard would not be able to put aside the grandchildren of a major English lord or of a relative of the king of France. He could to a jumped up family of knights.

[@tinadavy3990]

Went/ goes with the territory... .

[@1steelcobra]

There's also the fact that Henry Tudor (Crowned Henry VII) did a lot of historical revising when he seized the throne from Richard III.

[@diarradunlap9337]

Yes, but one accusation Henry VII never made was that Richard III had the princess murdered. I, personally, think they were removed to the north of England, where Richard III had his powe base. I could be wrong, though.

[@titian5672]

And Shakespeare was more than happy to brown-nose.

[@ozwunder69]

Henry vii is in Brittany from 1471 till 1485

[@ydduar5932]

​@@diarradunlap9337You are.

[@tscimb]

Now THAT'S power. Used horrifically, but absolute.

[@seanstephenson7081]

Yet another example of why birthright leadership is absolutely ridiculous...

[@abigaildiamante9096]

they had fabulous hair wow

[@eggchomp]

those are all wigs to hide the side effect of syphilis :)

[@eggchomp]

those are all wigs to hide the side effects of syphilis :)

[@senseishu937]

​@@eggchompwhat did everyone get syphilis back then? 😅 The more and more I learn about history the more I'm grateful for being born in an age where we've got painkillers 😂

[@eggchomp]

@@senseishu937 yeah, pretty much haha! specifically the more prominent male figures as they were more likely to have sex

[@user-ho7mg9ol7w]

​@@senseishu937 not everyone had it. It was expected of aristocratic men to take a mistress. If either had syphilis then in the early stages they'd be unaware and pass it on to any partners. The treatment for syphilis was mercury, which is how we know Henry VIII didn't have it as he was never given mercury

[@cisium1184]

You can't say "Little Richard" to certain generations of Americans without us immediately hearing "Long Tall Sally" in our heads.

[@someguy2744]

"A-wop-bop-a-loo-mop-a-lop-bam-boom!" Tutti Frutti, 1955 (Little Richard)

[@maga6252]

The self proclaiiiimed architect of rock n' roll!!! 🙌🤣😅😂😎🇺🇲🇬🇧

[@abysmaldepths4721]

He called himself, "The Quasar of Rock and Roll"

[@professordolt7159]

Tutti frutti good booty.. look it up 😂

[@NicleT]

Totally correct. It automatically put the needle in the groove.

[@petermcgowan1705]

Very kind of Uncle Richard to offer to help out.

[@SteveDave29]

Very well done. We all need a new injection of history like this. It inoculates against ignorance. The intrigue doesn't hurt, either.

[@tinadavy3990]

Yet, leaves us again in a conundrum...

[@bigblue6917]

Henry VII could also be the one responsible for their deaths as his claim to the throne was very shaky. with them out of the way he had no rivals to the throne.

[@kirstybrown1185]

I read that as “mystery strap on” and was so disappointed when you actually said strap in. Thought we were gonna get a different kind of history lesson today. 🤣🤣🤣😅

[@Xxsnipedawg72xX]

A story about two missing and dead little boys and youre disappointment stems from strap ons not being involved? 🤔

[@christinesmith3711]

@@Xxsnipedawg72xXto be honest a story about historical strap ons would be much more of a feel good story than a story about the murder of two young kids.

[@Hascienda27]

Looks asif A few people here like pegging then 😂😂

[@Broockle]

It's just how they talk 😅

[@SavagelyBadAtLosing]

​@@Xxsnipedawg72xXI don't think the boys are really gonna care anymore

[@JC-kk5wg]

Devious relatives and helpers no suprise.

[@edkrakenn]

Wild how the Royal family are STILL trying to cover it up.

[@GomushinGirl]

They're . . . not? None of the modern monarchs are descended from Richard III. There's lots of reasons to not have the remains DNA tested, first and foremost of which is that they've been handled so poorly, there's likely no evidence at all to be gained.

[@phoenixgate007]

I feel like you don’t get to refuse that DNA test.

[@TheBeetress]

QE2 refused to let the bodies be exhumed again. Maybe KC3 will allow it? They have Richards DNA now.

[@lulu111_the_cool]

Oh the church will have a say in it. To just randomly dissect a corps.

[@prettyevil6662000]

@@lulu111_the_cool 'Randomly'. As if there aren't multiple child corpses all over the tower and in the crypts that no one knows who are. That's not random, that's just trying to figure out who all the corpses belong to.

[@TheAchilles26]

Royal privileges. It was Queen Elizabeth II refusing. Apparently, Charles is seen as likely to permit it once he's coronated

[@katimillard5924]

That's so sad though. Those poor boys.

[@Moose-iz1uo]

Richard III was the rightful King of England in those days.

[@vikj1255]

The royals are no more high status than anyone else.

[@stephaniemomma]

I love that King Charles is actually allowing a forensics investigation 🥰

[@stephaniemomma]

@Gary Allen he’s much more open minded in general. Let’s not forget Elizabeth refused to allow Charles to marry his bride of choice, but rather forced him to marry Diana. He also made a statement a few decades ago about being more inclusive of Catholics and Muslims, which also gave me hope.

[@nihiliststar]

That's super cool! Do you have a link to more information about this?

[@icarusbinns3156]

@tinwatchmanwasn’t he found under a parking lot? (Terribly sorry, I only know the American term for it)

[@georgina-a]

​@icarusbinns3156 Yes, you're correct. We call them car parks. Richard III was found under a car park in Leicester (I'm guessing that @tinwatchman has got Lancaster and Leicester confused).

[@icarusbinns3156]

@@georgina-a definitely adding that to the ‘names I want to know’ Thank you!

[@lubumbashi6666]

Considering Richard III was practically given a state funeral, it's worth DNA testing the princes

[@itskarl7575]

And that in spite of the fact that the DNA tests did _not_ match.

[@gloriasowle8083]

Mother was quoted. "If you had 2 priceless jewels, would you put them both in the same jewelry box?" Which as led to the question was the younger child possibly not one of the princes. Maybe the mother sent him to family across the sea.

[@JeremyHarlen]

The winking has me dead 😂😂😂😂

[@cdean2789]

I wonder why the Royal Family refuse a DNA test.

[@peepeepoopoo8692]

You obviously think it’s because of claim to the throne, but this would actually have no affect on that.

[@cr3237]

Richard only got hold of the eldest boy, Edward, to start with. The younger boy, Richard, was in sanctuary with his mother and sisters. His mother, Elizabeth, refused to let him be with his brother for a long time after their father's death. Finally Richard managed to persuade her to release his nephew into his custody only for the two boys to later disappear. There are many theories why no one made a fuss, but one of many is that the boys weren't considered legitimate and that a servant of Richard killed them without his knowledge or consent and Richard didn't know what to do when he found out. If he acknowledged what his servant did, then people would think he was complicit, so he havered and just left it. Just so sad for those two boys. I wish they would be permitted to do DNA testing, it would answer alot of questions.

[@JoeBaldwin-vq7ed]

Pretty sure that little Richard lived, and entertained millions of people.

[@michellemorrison9663]

Their mom, Elizabeth Woodville, couldn't say or do anything. She had daughters to care for, and as far as we know, she also didn't know what happened to her children. She was given sanctuary. That's what kept her safe. This is what led to the end of the war of the roses. Elizabeth Woodville had to sit on the back, grieving, while securing her daughters' futures one way or another. And she did it with Margaret Beaufort. Henry VII and Elizabeth of York (Woodville's daughter) were married. This is how finally the Lancasters and Yorks were united. End note. Elizabeth Woodville couldn't have known, given that she was away in sanctuary and stripped of her "Dowager Queen" title. If she knew, it was on her best interest to stay quiet.

[@vivianbenge2331]

Draper has a voice, inflections and entertaining presentation worthy of a historical series. Perhaps on some such as Netflix or some purveyor of history programming. She reminds me of a teacher I had in my youth who made history accessible. She revealed it as the precious resource it is for helping people gain life perspective beyond the limits of one lifetime.

[@ianbailey4667]

My money is on Henry Tudor having had them killed as they had a better claim on the throne than he did

[@pikachuisshook5535]

Good thinking. And by defacing Richard's memory, the Tudor claim to the throne was strengthened further

[@DoctorProph3t]

It’s pretty simple to reckon Henry Tudor when you apply cui bono. Who has the most the benefit from the princes deaths and the besmirching of Richard? Maybe it was like OJ Simpson of the day. Everyone knows he did it, there’s just no evidence or official ruling to document it. And the meme of “Henry did it” died with time.

[@kingkiller5325]

But hadn't they disappeared way before Henry VII deposed Richard.

[@ianbailey4667]

@@kingkiller5325 they vanished from sight 2 years before Richard was deposed, but there was a decree by Richard in July 1884 about 'The Children should be together at one breakfast

[@Crazy-Cat-Lady-of-CA]

Richard III did it. Had Henry VII or his mom had done anything, Richard would have shouted to anyone what they did to his "poor nephews" and would have shown off the bodies, had the bodies inspected and had a grand burial for them. But no, Richard did nothing and said nothing.

[@t.b.616]

It's the wink 😉 for me. Lol

[@skycloud4802]

It's like the king personally sent this woman to kill the princes in the tower.

[@davidlangley2064]

Back in the 80's, I saw a movie that depicted the events you described. He had a servant kill them and bury them in the structure. May God bless us all, in Christ Yeshua's name I pray, Amen 😇

[@callnight1441]

For anyone immediately thinking it was obviously Uncle Richard, there is actually a lot of evidence and an entire movement dedicated to Richard not being the culprit. This was just after the Wars of the Roses and Eddie IV and his wife had a lot of enemies. Plus, many didnt see their marriage as legitimate and therefore the two boys as not legitimate. Much of what we know of richard comes from tudor times...the dynasty that overthrew him

[@LilyUnicorn]

Ummm sure but for there to be no talk, no news or mention in courts and other publics...is very odd

[@kartos.]

Yeah but they also tried claiming Shakespeare was wrong about him having a back issue and look who was right on that account. 🤷

[@janamihalova4058]

@@kartos. But he had no hump or anything. He had a scoliosis but he was no cripple. He could move normally, he even fought in battles and he had both legs and arms ok. so yes, Shakespeare was wrong.

[@thomasalvarez6456]

@@LilyUnicornCourt didn’t always let loose talk spread all the time anyway.

[@faithcastillo9597]

It's called "care, custody, and control", in terms of insurance responsibility. Whether Richard committed the act himself, had someone else carry it out, or, if someone misunderstood what Richard might have said, or simply taken into their heads to harm the youngsters, is irrelevant. Richard, an uncle they barely knew, took custody of the boys, making them HIS responsibility. Therefore, if something should happen to the boys on Richard's watch, HE is responsible. Their deaths are on his hands.

[@amyw6808]

The new documentary about this with Judge Rinder (Channel 4) is very interesting. Lots of evidence to suggest both boys ended up in Portugal and The Netherlands, and even may have planned a failed invasion to retake the throne.

[@klp917]

I saw this. It was fascinating!

[@susanpolin2619]

I VOTE to TEST DNA on ALL CHILDREN Found. The TWO in the Tower. AND the TWO Buried with the King & Queen. 🙏🇺🇲

[@satinsteeldad]

England don't talk about the Queen's twin sister who's in a home and always was kept away from her sister

[@erniethered]

I was fortunate to visit the Tower last July and saw the tower where the princes were found. Very interesting storytelling from our Yeoman Warden about it!

[@MolloyPolloy]

The Royal family have been up to no good since time began. Poor kids. RIP.

[@kartos.]

and yet we somehow have Richard apologists.

[@georgelane6350]

'Apologist' is an odd word to choose. We literally have no record of what happened to them, but their uncle was violently deposed from the throne so it would make sense for them to hide.

[@glasscardproductions4736]

There's an odd group of them that come to a church just half-an-hour from my hometown and they're _very_ weird.

[@3katfox]

Hold the f*ck on. Is this real? Is this a British thing?

[@glasscardproductions4736]

@@3katfox, it isn't even common, but they are loud af.

[@MsMayhap]

I wouldn't call myself a Richard apologist, but it's interesting to know that the vast majority of information we have about Richard was written 80+ years after his death by Tudor sponsored historians. Not saying he didn't do it, just saying there's way less definitive proof than we previously thought.

[@seebarnes6588]

The UK has had issues protecting children for centuries then til Rotherham, Sevile

[@rw9207]

"never come out"?? .... But they both look so FABULOUS!

[@JudithLyonz1977]

Richard III has gotten a bad rap. He was never anything but loyal to his brother Edward IV. There is one Machevalian figure who benefitted from the Little Prince's death: Margaret Beaufort, the mother of Henry Tudor, later Henry VII. She still had powerful friends who could have gained access to the vulnerable young princes. Their death paved the way for Henry to battle Richard for the throne. Elizabeth says nothing because of fear that she and/or all of her daughters will be killed and a marriage was negotiated between her eldest daughter, Elizabeth of York, and Henry Tudor. It was a crazy messy time for heads with crowns. Our modern perceptions are shaped by Wm Shakespeare but.... His plays we slanted to validate the Tudor claims to the throne so it is advantageous to show Richard as a monster who stole the crown and Henry as effectively, avenging the death of the brothers in law he never knew.

[@tomriley5790]

Yep the Tudors were still on the throne when Shakespere was writing anything that cast doubt on their legitimacy would have likely led to things ending badly for Shakespere.

[@sleepnow3053]

Ohh now that's changes things

[@mnomadvfx]

"Their death paved the way for Henry to battle Richard for the throne" No, the only difference this made was when they would have died. Henry would still have invaded regardless, and with nothing but a youth to inherit the throne the nobility would have defaulted to accepting a powerful invader with Lancastrian blood.

[@thecolourfulpill]

​@@mnomadvfx I think OP meant that it was an excuse for him to do so (at least that's how I understood it).

[@thomasalvarez6456]

As I study more, Richard seems less guilty. By all non Tudor accounts (most of them made up by people like Shakespeare) describe him as a good man.

[@reinadegrillos]

I think the Tudors had more reason to kill them than Richard.

[@SuperSarahbop]

It’s been family lore for as long as I can remember that James Tyrell was hired to do the deed

[@johnhenry4844]

That’s insane, Richard could declare them illegitimate as much as he wants but they are still a massive threat to him

[@GomushinGirl]

@@johnhenry4844 They weren't, though? As adults they might have been, but domestically people were relatively nonplussed by Richard taking the throne - if anything, folks were relieved not to have a child king.

[@johnhenry4844]

@@GomushinGirl You know children grow right 😂, and it’s an aristocracy, the peoples opinion don’t matter

[@GomushinGirl]

@@johnhenry4844 Other nobles matter. And Richard let a fair number of adults who were also threats wander around, so there's no particular reason he'd be in a hurry to bump off kids. In the meantime, please point me to the popular uprising of people who really wanted minority rule . . . oh, huh, weird, no takers?

[@AI-mg3hy]

Now that Spin Doctors song is stuck in my head. Thanks!

[@gbond1010]

Now it's in My HEAD! I hate that song!

[@ElleWTH]

Same.

[@snaojao8136]

Kate Middleton is missing too. Nothing has changed.

[@roselong2407]

New book: Phillipa Langley, The Princes in the Tower. Heard her interviewed on History Hit, pretty sure she makes the case Lambert Simnel was Edward and Perkin Warbeck was Richard

[@user-zs8cb3hq2b]

The thing is, if DNA proved that these skeletons weren't the prince's, and if it could be proven through genetics that at least one prince lived and had children who's descendents were living today, then someone else is the rightful king or Queen of England!

[@elenna_alexia]

No one is the rightful king or queen of anything, it's about power and the perception of legitimacy. There's no magic royalty genes.

[@Promislandzion]

I doupt that line would be seen as legitimate today. Doubt everyone on of the princes descendants would have been married and had kids. Also there are royals alive today who belong to families who once ruled a country, like the Habsburg’s are still alive but they are not the kings of Spain or Austria.

[@Alastair_]

The actual rightful king of the uk is a farmer in Australia i believe.

[@ZnamTwojaMama101]

​@@Alastair_Real name?

[@tanithrosenbaum]

@@ZnamTwojaMama101 Yes, he probably has one of those too

[@deadsmiles7169]

So to this day it's not the Royal family. It's cousins to the Royal family.

[@Jshaw71]

Sad... also when someone says I'll take care of them, watch their tone, and them, for a while

[@kibblewibble1]

There was an excellent book laying out the case that Richard took over as the king in name while the kids were supposed to be being raised before taking over for him. It was only after he was killed and the usurper Henry Tudor took over that the kids disappeared. He DEFINITELY needed them gone to legitimize his takeover. Richard never showed any hint or intention of killing them and by all contemporary accounts had massive affection for them.

[@MacaroniJudas]

Oh, that sounds fascinating. What is it called?

[@vikisena]

I recommend “The Daughter of Time” by Josephine Tey. It’s a fictional account of a police man trying to solve this mystery while stuck in hospital with a broken leg. He concludes that there is no contemporary (ie from that time) evidence that Richard III killed the boys, or even that they died during his reign. It approaches it unemotionally and logically. It’s short and well written. Enjoy!

[@esg4364]

I think it’s called the daughter of time

[@ICU-mw7su]

Then why would the skeletons be the boy's ages at the time??

[@AlexConnor_]

@@ICU-mw7su Richard was only king for 2 years, if the Princes had been murdered afterwards there would not be much difference hundreds of years later.

[@belugasmith]

My favorite line from the movie, “Red, White and Royal Blue,” is when Alex tells Prince Henry, “They can’t just lock you away” and Henry responds, “*We’ve really got to get you a course in British history!” Sad so many Americans probably didn’t get it any more than the maypole reference!

[@VS-iv5uw]

The wink had me laughing. XD.

[@KL00100]

The recent portrait of Charles is accurate.

[@angharadstone4779]

Time to revisit this topic with the new historical documents uncovered across Europe

[@tremorsfan]

You forgot to mention that Richard had already declared Edward illegitimate by the time of their disappearance. So he already had the throne secured.

[@biosparkles9442]

lol that's not how that works, you can have someone declared illegitimate all you like but if people with money and power want you dethroned and have a son of the previous king available to them, they will put in enormous effort to overthrow you with said son. The motivation to declare them illegitimate is the same motivation to make sure they're dead.

[@WRanger87]

Just because he declares it illegitimate, doesn’t mean everyone else will see it that way. The only way they can never rule is if they are dead.

[@rl3293]

Yes, but having both of them alive posed a continued threat to Richard.

[@dlmofva51]

So...?

[@somethinglikethat2176]

Regardless of what he declared they could have been a threat in an rebellion/civil war.

[@ryedoll]

And people wonder why a bunch of Europeans escaped to a new land to create a new civilization😂😂

[@franpinkard3147]

Ya gotta love this lady😅😂

[@SusanneMBarrett]

I tend to think that Henry VII killed them; a really fun read is the fictional mystery Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey which "proves" that Richard III was innocent of the deaths of the Princes in the Tower. This mystery has been declared the greatest mystery novel by the Crime Writers' Association.

[@misskate3815]

Thanks for the book rec!

[@helenemuscagorry244]

I think it's Henry VII's mother. She had high power friends who could easily gain access to the two princes and get back the crown to the Lancaster house.

[@chipwanderlust113]

Yes, me too. Why would you publicly volunteer to take care of children only to kill them? Everyone would suspect you and you must know that surely.

[@kartos.]

​@@helenemuscagorry244 Then why wouldn't Richard announce it to the world and use that to his advantage politically? It makes no sense. Only the person hiding the crime would stay silent on it.

[@Iggystarkk]

Your KZbin shorts are some of my favorite. Thank you for teaching us!

[@fayekalantzis4523]

I agree ♥️👍💎🙏

[@user-qg5wg9ut2o]

I Love your storytelling ❤🎉❤🎉❤🎉

[@DTBaker-gq4fd]

So much for integrity of the lineage….

[@MrGearoid65]

This is so accessible . Congratulations on a brilliant series of shorts. 👌👍👊

[@cttommy73]

As many people pointed out, Richard III had the least reason and more benefits to keeping his nephews alive. Since their father was a bigamist, that means they are illegitimate and thus, unable inherit the throne. And as we saw, their deaths gave Henry VII all the justification he needed to launch a war with Richard to take his throne. And even most of the stuff about Richard III is really from the prospective of the Tudor line, so really, if nothing else, we can at least say as far, their uncle had the least incentive to murder them

[@ambermyers1330]

Thank you! I was looking for this. I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve argued this, especially after his skeleton was found!

[@SuperLoves4]

oh no, the uncle that declared them illegitimate based on a marriage between two people who were already dead and couldn't testify certainly didn't have any reason to get rid of his brother's kids that stood between him and the throne compared to the guy who claimed right of conquest!

[@johnhenry4844]

@@ambermyers1330 This argument is so flawed, Richard can declare his nephews whatever, doesn’t change the fact most of the country disagree with the declaration and still viewed the princes as the rightful heirs They disappeared under his reign, Richard never showed them to be alive and they threatened his rule the most

[@hiramdominicus7413]

Lovely caring family 😉😉

[@margaritarodriguez7584]

That's some real Game Of Thrones

[@jamieglover4853]

Get a petition going.

[@zang9147]

Politicians never change.

[@ForeverForys]

Holy h3ll ...that's insane. The wicked evil that permiated Royalty is absurd. Those poor innocent boys

[@sgtprestonoftheyukon2423]

The royal family literally has skeletons in their closet .

[@anerdwithglasses7429]

The same requests for DNA have been refused for the 2 skeletons found that were assumed to be Anastasia and her brother. The skeletons were found in another hole not far away from where their parents and siblings were found. The church took the bones and buried them but refused DNA testing...the bones of the girl were the right age and height and the boy had a bad leg so it was assumed to to be the lost son and Anastasia but no DNA means technically they are still missing on records.

[@joeobyrne9348]

I don't know if you ever saw, but the historian Phillipa Langley who lead the research to find the King under the Car Park in Leicester, found evidence suggesting the young Edward was sent to live out his days with his half brother in Devon as long as he stayed quiet about who he was. They think his mother and Richard made this deal. That explanation would certainly explain how odd this all is. For me, better than them being murdered.

[@thecolourfulpill]

And politically, it would have made more sense? I feel like killing two kids would have been a killer (HAHA) for his popularity, which was already falling (which led to Henry VII "taking over" the throne anyways).

[@kartos.]

That's highly sus, tbh. If either of them felt the desire for power, it could have gotten bloody again. Seems like to loose of a thread.

[@moringsdaughter]

​@@thecolourfulpill The problem with this theory is that Richard was being blamed for their deaths in popular opinion already. If he knew the boys were alive he would have produced them as evidence that he wasn't evil. At that point he wouldn't need to worry about their claim to the throne or identity because they had already been illegitimized.

[@melissabiemans9991]

I'd neve heard of this evidence. Was it part of the documentary about the dig in Leicester? I"ve seen lots on that, but never anything further. It makes sense though, that it would be the Richard society that would continue to dig (no pun intended) for details on what happened, given the unknown but widely accepted history was written by Tudor courtiers and fellows (Shakespeare being the widest) likely to smear Richard's name and make Henry VII look better. I'll have to go looking for Phillipa's information on it. I personally like the theory that it was Henry VII who found them alive in the tower and had them killed to prevent anyone speaking of them and overthrowing him, and blaming Richard was just 2 birds (or a king and a duke) in one stone.

[@MsChess19]

I didn’t watch the documentary, but I watched a historian’s rebuttal of it. She found their new evidence weak and circumstantial; by all contemporary accounts, people alive during the period assumed that Richard killed the boys, because they vanished from view before Henry Tudor was ever on the scene.

[@islandsicedtea]

they still refuse DNA testing to this day?? thats so NOT telling at all 🙄

[@klp917]

Look up the PBS Special Secrets of the Dead: The Princes in the Tower. It explores the almost certainty that both boys lived into adulthood in other countries and were part of a movement to take back the crown.