The Priority Pass Killed Overwatch

[@UnavailableUser96]

Optional pass systems benefit those who know how to work the system at the expense of the casuals who don't know how to abuse it. Lots of similarities here compared to the Disney Fast Pass system. Both situations tanked the experience of the casual base for marginal benefit to the most experienced and knowledgeable customer base.

[@jcartist5881]

which is why pro play interests makes me sick

[@theotherjared9824]

Everyone is in the express lane and we're back to square one with the freeway clogged.

[@ceu160193]

You can bring horses to the water, but you can't make them drink. Or, in context of Overwatch, you can make DPS players pick other roles, but they won't stop being DPS players.

[@patrickrodriguez8797]

Oh yeah I remember how easy it was to abuse the Priority Pass system. I remember having so many passes despite always playing as DPS. It's because back then, I have friends who always lock Tanks and Support so I just queue on "Flex" and get Priority Pass while still playing DPS lol

[@alaeriia01]

I still say the solution is 12v12. It works for TF2.

[@Oniri245]

Even just as an option would be nice, I love 12v12 in TF2 simply because there’s enough players that if 1-3 players in your team was doing nothing and just having fun atleast the serious players weren’t interrupted, in overwatch, One player lags or disconnects and it could affect the whole team plan.

[@alaeriia01]

@Oniri245 exactly. It's okay that two guys are doing spycrab in spawn and a hoovy is giving sandwiches to the other team, because you still have nine mercenaries actually getting stuff done. It also allows for off-meta plays like camping the hanging log in Sawmill with the Force-a-Nature; the rest of the team can focus on getting the intel while I'm shoving people into saw blades.

[@bongcloudopening5404]

​@@alaeriia01plus there's also the same chance that there's also two guys doing the same thing in the enemy team thus balancing it out.

[@liundeirkil8706]

Also I don't know if you remember but people would make lfg groups, tanks and supports would lock their role and the 2 dps would flex. By doing this, the dps players would both get dps AND get tickets.

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Can't forget those stupid passes. Not only did they ruin the game by rewarding bad behavior like throwing games. They often didn't even do anything. Game said Que time 10 minutes, Priority pass 5 minutes and then you wait 15 minutes in the que. I can't count the number of times I waited so long it refunded my pass.

[@IrisXen]

On the other hand, I can't count how many times it actually took less time to queue with a pass. Because it never even happened lol.

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

@@IrisXen It was always a vague thing as well, because Que times could go faster than expected even without the pass. So the over all feeling was the passes did almost nothing good. Mean while you got a bunch of people who didn't want to play tank or support thrown into your games. DPS Roadhogs as the video mentioned, but also DPS zen or lucio players as well. Meaning even when you did use your pass to play DPS, you got stuck with teams of throwers anyways so couldn't enjoy your game.

[@GraphiteBlimp27]

Realth thank you for this video. I’m never able to explain to people the complexity of why OW/tank suffered in OW1, and it’s because I didn’t have a 20min video to do so and I forgot about priority passes (you even pointed our some issues with the system I didn’t even realize). In open queue if you played tank you couldn’t guarantee a second tank player to take the heat off you, it was essentially playing 5v5 solo tank but with less HP and an additional player to shoot you. You also couldn’t guarantee having two supports or even just one so you could efficiently resource trade. Playing Rein without a support, he becomes not a character after taking just 300 damage. No wonder people didn’t tank then! It wasn’t a problem with people not liking tank itself. Your only options were Rein/Winston/Zarya/Dva for teamwork tanks, and if you wanted to solo tank or be more DPS forward, it was Hog. Adding AFK shield Orisa and strange playstyle Ball was not going to attract people to the role. Let alone the addition of Brig and later Baptiste which invalidated DPS, but if they did that to DPS imagine how little fun it is as tank since you have even less damage! Then we get role queue and it’s instant double shield meta due to Brig/Bap and the addition of Sig. 222 Role Lock was smothered in the crib. Then all the issues you talk about in this video occur, and no wonder people didn’t like tank in role queue either. People act like tank just isn’t fun full stop, and don’t take the time to think about or consider WHY. Going forward we now have so many more tank options and very fun ones at that. We can have a system where you can reliably have another tank and support so you don’t feel useless choosing the tank role, whether it’s 222, min 1 max 3, open queue role limit on tank/support to 2, or hybrid queue. Then finally Blizzard just needs to rework all the immortalities and make sure AOE healing is either nerfed or has a drop off like Lucio’s, like they refused to do. People have told them the answer on this for years, hopefully now they listen.

[@CGTradez]

I used OQ Comp to work on my Wrecking ball knowing I was gonna be only tank & probably not have a support either, it taught me self sustain & now he’s one of my best tanks along with Winton & Sigma in OW2. I’m my groups tank player because I can flex to any tank we need…OWL also taught me play styles & gave me more knowledge on how to improve

[@GraphiteBlimp27]

⁠@@CGTradezYeah it is possible to make it work, but I’m just explaining why people dropped the role in OW1. I still played tank but a lot of it was suffering. Ball is a great hero for solo tanking, and why I’m in favor of open queue role limit to 2 tanks & 2 supports. So theoretically you could run triple DPS/ball or quad DPS ball/Mercy (or whatever modern version people can come up with), but at the same time it prevents GOATS or similar tank/support stacking.

[@XxConTrol98kb27]

Top left corner White dot I want to rip off my eyelashes

[@meat3958]

Ffs I didn’t see it until a saw your comment. Thanks. 💀🤣

[@lucjanl1262]

Do it

[@-user_redacted-]

4:30 are we suggesting that the real reason they ditched 2 tank was to compensate for a lack of tank players that they caused? Sounds like Blizzard.

[@realth8572]

They’ve explicitly stated that queue times was the primary concern behind OW2 going to 5v5.

[@-user_redacted-]

@@realth8572 ahh, I honestly hadn't looked into that. Just seen people claiming that one tank is "healthier for the game" without any elaboration.

[@Miraihi]

@@-user_redacted- In reality without a second tank the game became a team deathmatch. The frontline has gone completely.

[@nihili4196]

​@@realth8572They said various things over the years, and both confirmed and denied that 5v5 had anything to do with queues. I'm honestly sceptical about what Devs say officially, given that they're notorious for stating things that aren't true.

[@SamoyedSagas]

​@@nihili4196Just because your dumbass heard different things from internet comments doesn't mean that happened. Blizzard has only ever confirmed 5v5 was for queue times, not once denied.

[@f687sNFM]

Its so hilarious at this point how much blizzard tries to avoid addressing the real problems because they conflict with their vision and make band aid solutions that make the problems worse or add new problems

[@mattevans4377]

After playing Marvel Rivals beta, I've realized tanking was flawed from the start in this game

[@sownheard]

Jeff caplin was right on making PvE Them not finishing pve is what killed the hype of the game

[@IvanRodriguez-pw4gq]

THIS! I always felt that MOST who chose hog was just a Dps player wanting to skip queue times. I always felt that I was forced into Orisa, Hog, Zar. I always felt that I was getting punished for playing Rein. I just couldn't explain why. Always just "skill issue". Not that it matters anymore, just uninstall.

[@huyphan7825]

For a company motivated by the "path of least resistance" surely ABK would've considered the most obvious answer to no one wanting to play tanks. Make tanks fun. Not "make tanks strong". Not "make tanks weak". Or "mandatory". Just make tanks fun.

[@hogndog2339]

Problem is that the amount of people who want to play the tank role is just inherently less than those that enjoy playing damage or even support

[@huyphan7825]

@@hogndog2339 So that must mean Support and Damage must be fun to play. So make Tank fun just like them

[@LangLong]

Junkerqueen, doom, ball, Winston are fun to play, just tanking itself is very stressful and complicated. Then you have your team saying tank diff after only 1 or 2 mistakes.

[@huyphan7825]

@@LangLong Then that also contributes to making Tank unfun.

[@LangLong]

@huyphan7825 yeah, but how do you fix that? Pretty much every game that has tanks has a similar problem

[@Venant91182]

Now you have players who are just grinding the battle pass with less motivation to be competitive. This competitive element of OW has always been a problem since 'winning' is linked only to whether your team gets the win. Its quite common to get total mismatches in games where one player is going full send tryhard while several other players are in NPC mode. The game would be much better if the primary reward was for individual contribution, but it seems like it would be too much effort for them to design a system capable of actually determining an individual contribution score.

[@johnmckill6003]

Its just not possible. How can you correctly award some one who 1v3s and gets an elim and dies while their team cleans up the remaining 4. Too much to the game.

[@contagious_noob3651]

Its impossible to make a solo contribution ranked system. Oh you are playing support and barely got heals? You get practically no points it doesn't matter that your team steam rolled them. Oh you are playing tracer and was constantly drawing pressure away from your tank and making space well your damage wasnt high enough so you lose points.

[@iyxon]

A loss makes the next win easier... ok woah, I never thought of that. Not being sarcastic. I see why you left that point for last.

[@iyxon]

Like I'm covering my agape mouth in horror

[@placidflunky6642]

I've been waiting for this one, been talking about this one on stream for a while

[@Xenbiotic]

4:24 I thought scarce was gonna come out from behind that tree for a hot second there

[@ReshyShira]

You know, why don't they toy with just not having a fixed queue and instead just let players play what they want and then struggle and fail on their own terms?

[@yeetadog]

that mauga gameplay in the background is so good who's the player

[@mastersparkles1584]

Love the video! But i did notice you cut your edits to late sometimes and you can see you walk forward to what i assume is your script. Just some feedback. Idk why it bothered me so much lmao. Again though great video. I didn't play during this era so this is very interesting.

[@Jon-rv9oh]

Great video and hopefully Samito reacts to you so that you get more exposure. I main tank both in OW1 and OW2, and farmed the 40 tickets when it came out. I played mainly QP at a gold / plat level and so I always got games within 4 minutes even with dps. But this issue really was a problem in higher ranks, which wasn't helped by development being dead.

[@notmynameX]

The game currently trying to match as fast as possible over having a balanced match is bullshit. Load into a game already over, get a priority pass to get into a match quicker with even less care put towards the balance. Giving a tank player priority to get into a game faster is a slap in the face. We want balanced matches, not the quickest ones the system can make

[@itz_yoboi_tree]

It's part of the reason why I believe they like having 5 tiers of every elo. Faster ques

[@muzankibutsuji8919]

You say this but you probably didn't sit in the 10 minites+ ques in overwatch 1. You can call the matchmaking as "unbalanced" as you want, but in the end, it's better than spending 13 minutes in que when you're plat.

[@deadhelix]

if you’re talking QP (which has quick in the name) I hard disagree I would prefer random fast matchmaking over sbmm in a casual mode, now for comp yeah it makes no sense when you get a lobby where the rank range is plat to high master maybe even gm, I would rather have a lobby where everyone is similar ranks otherwise climbing just feels like rng instead of an actual competition

[@autoimmunedefficiencysyndrome]

This... is not true.

[@contagious_noob3651]

​@@muzankibutsuji8919exactly i remember trying to get into ow1 late in the games life and i dropped it after a few hours because of the long ass cue times

[@GREED_EU]

Relf has legs?

[@deolly]

Get ready for Samito to react to this

[@holydoggo4822]

A priority pass would be pretty good if it didn't get to be stacked beyond like 3 total passes and a pass should only be given for playing a less desired role win or lose

[@UrsaJeager]

Static cams of gameplay in the background is so fresh ngl

[@TheEpicPancake]

Yeah, I really appreciated there being a system in the game that made it functionally impossible for me to play dps for years on end. I'm a pretty flexible player. I like playing all roles to some degree. I think I earned the handful of games I threw trying and failing to play Hanzo by trying and failing to carry my team across the finish line playing the other two roles. I do not, however, like ONLY being allowed to play tank and support because there is a 20 minute difference in queue time for a dps game even when I'm partaking in the stupid priority system. It definitely moved me towards quitting the game, at least. It's a bullet I wasn't willing to bite, and when the game stopped being fun as a result of it I just moved on.

[@moji_jojo1730]

Being a tank main and never being effected by the pass system directly :) Being a Zarya main specifically and every match ending up as a Zarya/Hog mirror match just because I picked my main :(

[@lotoko_woomy3373]

1:30 IS THIS DOWNPOUR FROM THE HIT INDIE GAME RAIN WORLD AM I DREAMING !!?? (this deserves a sub)

[@peterwake5265]

What a video though, from Peppa Pig, to Relf’s wiggle dance, to … Jeff!!! … and a subject matter that is a black mirror comedy composed of a conga line of flexing Roadhogs, it’s priceless. Spilo has nothing like this. Really loved the effort and wit that went into this, whether it’s the clips, or wiggly Relf teleporting around Blizzard World.

[@eaglest0554]

As the person that used to play dps Moira/D.va/etc well before role select was even added, I can thoroughly say from first hand experience that you need a certain amount of getting good at teamwork before you lock in one of those roles. Sure I would regularly go quad gold with moira, but I absolutely would've had a higher winrate if I actually put in the effort to keep the team together and maximize my healing. Even now when she's not nearly as strong as she was back then, I can easily turn team fights into 5v2s by just infinitely keeping people healthy and switching to damage to recharge. Not as flashy, but many times as effective.

[@NiteRacer]

That meme intro is hilarious

[@maxrosefoxanime7225]

I remember useing this system and everytime i keep geting in matching that was pretty much close to end that whole system was done because I used to only match flex and I still only flex

[@IndeedFlute]

you think i won't notice the shirt ,relf?

[@VolodyaTheFroge]

If i remember correctly Rodhog/Zarya comp was just a flavour of the month cause blizzard gigabuffed Rodhog at that time, and Zarya was just a very good combo with Hog cause she covers his weakness to CC/Ana nade.

[@actual8129]

just 2 min into the vid BUT i used to absolutely love overwatch. I quit the season after role queue was added for me personally and my friends that was what killed overwatch.

[@monsterjj9917]

As someone who hasnt played Ow since Echo was added to 1 im surprised they arent still using the passes

[@coyote2733]

When I started playing (2020) I wanted to play tank but for months I would get hard flamed bc the tank players were all way better than the rest of the lobby… except me ): So everything you say here is true, AND it lowers the amount of new permanent tank players the game receives because it made tank such a toxic role

[@whimpyzee8779]

“And when everyone’s priority, no one will be” - Syndrome

[@CantankerousCannon]

All this is ignoring the actual worst change to overwatch. Role Queue. It has caused 10x more problems than it solved, and ruined certain players entire playstyles (like myself). I completely quit the game the season after it came out, because it was so contrary to the entire original selling point of the game.

[@yurazah]

any game ive ever seen that introduces priority regrets it, its good for the people who get it then immediately after it gets even wore for everyone else

[@themanwithaplan1460]

Very good intro

[@softhearted8509]

How 1 type of videos will get me videos

[@drilltank-6603]

I can't help but think of one underlying, core problem that makes this pass system a band-aid for: How did Overwatch screw up the tank role so badly that they *need* this system in the first place? This didn't come out of nowhere, this tells me that the role isn't well liked and wasn't even from the outset. Something about the role composition of the game is fundamentally broken, and until it's acknowledged and addressed this will just keep happening.

[@shroomer3867]

Overwatch players try not to cry and seethe when trying out new characters and tank roles challenge impossible

[@Wolf-kx8li]

as a person who dislikes the creator of overwatch and the way the game has been taken, i'm honestly not surprised as to how poorly its been handled, i'm almost impressed how the creator played his job as many of the off-role tank players did, and is still making money and making more seemingly random decisions to hope for something good to come from it

[@themanwithaplan1460]

Pineapple pizza is good

[@yeetadog]

be quiet

[@gorillagroddgaming]

Go back to r3dd it

[@eaglest0554]

It's honestly impressive how hard blizzard fumbled overwatch. They literally could've just not touched it for that last year or two, either let people run their own servers or just keep enough of them running, and just left it, and it probably would've gone down arm in arm with tf2 as the cult classic team shooters popular enough to stay running steady at least a decade down the line.

[@kaivos]

Bring back hero bans. 2 tanks 3 Dps and 2 supports and make it to a weekly system FOR COMP ONLY.

[@Shrimp4Gura]

The weekly bans were bad, when they banned mercy the support queue times were awful cuz they all quit for the week.

[@nihili4196]

I mean, hero bans were done by a cat. We would either need voting system before every match, which would be long process in itself, and that would also make people leave.... Or don't bother with bans at all

[@Shrimp4Gura]

@@nihili4196 the cat picked one time and it was only for overwatch league

[@cia4u401]

wtf you have legs?

[@schwolmart]

I prefer quickly made matches but I have long support queue times at high-ish rank

[@Warlockhound]

Im actually a tank player that quit ow1 because I was tired of roadhog every game on both teams

[@shadowlordalpha]

I would much rather fight 6 tanks. Should have been balanced around having a balanced comp so a balanced comp would destroy an all 1 character one

[@liundeirkil8706]

REALTH PANTS ARE SHOWN WTF IS HAPPENIONG?!?!?!

[@mannypacbeloud5786]

Ngl i been playing overwatch for years and Ive never had queue times long enough to complain Then again im smoking or rolling in between games

[@toastercult2027]

as a tank main who always duoed with another tank main this didn't affect me like at all

[@bobthebromosapien7496]

Personally, I do not think that the 6v6 testing will go well without a ton of tuning and overhaul. All new modes and maps are made for 5v5 (kind of like how the old ones were made for 6v6) Heroes have been entirely reworked to better fit 5v5 instead of their origins which were built for 6v6. All new heroes are designed for 5v5. A solid chunk of players will have zero knowledge of 6v6 gameplay since they joined during OW2 and its 5v5. I think 6v6 can work, but it will need a ton of reworking and overhauls to be viable. If they just toss it in after confirming its playable, it will be awful and not even a fair judgement of the mode. Unfortunately, I do not put it past Blizzard to just toss it in and let it drown.

[@tessie555]

it's staring at me...

[@TheFutureYoutuber]

I'm not gonna lie, I don't really understand the logic here. Maybe my knowledge on hero-shooters is too shallow, as I have only really played a bit of tf2, and a buncha garden warfare, but what exactly is the point of the queuing system in the first place? As far as I can tell its either something to help minimize server costs or a way of distributing more players into a more varied team with all 3 roles I think. I don't see why you'd need to do that in the first place though, as it feels kinda arbitrary to say "Hey! Either play the class that is most needed right now, or wait a significant amount of time because you want to choose your class", which sounds quite unfun.

[@gayslime]

The victim complex of the average OW DPS player should be studied. How do you think the game is against you when so much gets changed around your feelings, to the detriment of the rest of the game?

[@meat3958]

Honestly though. All support and dps players do is screech and cry. How do they think tank players feel 💀

[@sownheard]

Jeff caplin hasn't worked on overwatch 2 for over multiple years 😅

[@pocenha]

Next episode: How George Lucas killed Overwatch and my childhood!

[@MemoriesGamer612]

oh yeah i forgot about that priority pass

[@DennisYangI]

Honestly, I think the priority pass is just part of the symptom of their e-sport catering forced 222 balancing BS.

[@meat3958]

The flossing clip in Times Square was painfully accurate and equally as cringe as the real deal 😭

[@cringyquackhead]

Add the pass back and let the bronze and champions who get value from it pair together and let those who wait, get matched in balanced lobbies

[@Artivulet]

Rain World music spotted

[@vgcontroller101]

6:43 just put the Death Wings in the bag bro

[@yurazah]

the pve did not kill the game, if they had actually finished it, it would have gone crazy, taking 2 years off for no reason killed the game

[@EvilGlennV2]

They could have just removed the stupid fucking role queue system and have people pick their role when they load into a match. But no, Blizzard would rather let the game die than revert the crappy system they created

[@l_clone]

I just want to play reinheart

[@kayleptwomoons1007]

Bunch of babys.

[@sownheard]

Im going to say the real shit if players dont wanna play tank its the devs fault for not making tanks just better to play

[@mrdrprofessor8849]

They clearly didn't see what happened with Disney Fast Passes over the years.

[@JustShotsForMeh]

Almost made me swallow my cigarette with the initial clip

[@sleepiesnake]

smoking is so nasty try to quit trust your life will be better and longer

[@Bluemansonic]

16 minutes to say "Smurfs ruined it by throwing lower ranks"

[@MofoMan2000]

One pass for losing is peanuts. One pass is feck all.

[@d4mephisto]

Meh. Everyone misunderstands overwatch. Team 4 were MMO devs. Especially my hero, Jeff. Not a joke, I genuinely idolize the man. Overwatch died because it was never allowed (because of Bobby Kotick and Activision) to become the PvE game that team 4 always meant for it to become. It was kept stuck as a PvP game, preventing what it could have been from ever coming to fruition. RIP Overwatch PvE, the dream of you died when Jeff quit Blizzard. But hey, I would've quit too if I learned that my vision was no longer possible. I don't blame Jeff at all. Overwatch PvP was just a proof of concept for the game. It's such a shame, we could have genuinely had the next WoW on our hands.

[@mag1ckyle799]

If you make a game, that people love to death, that's fun to play for casuals and competitive players, that wins Game of the Year as the first PvP game ever to do so, why would you change it. Bobby Kotick is a piece of shit, but the one thing he was right about was that Blizzard should've hired more people to work for Overwatch so that you could have a fully staffed team working on the live service PvP game so that Jeff can go work on his PvE dream game. Jeff's "dream" was no longer possible due to his own poor decisions (like the priority pass system), not because of anyone else. He was the director of Overwatch. His job was to make the best game possible. And that's what he did in 2016. It wasn't what he wanted, but it's what everyone else, including his customers, wanted. His job is to make the customers happy, and that is not what he did because he chased his own selfish ambitions. Don't idolize people. No matter how good you think they may be, everyone is always capable of making mistakes. Nobody is perfect.

[@ronald6563]

looking sexy realth

[@wysh6107]

everything you said in this video is wrong, every issue you said the priority passes caused are 100% mental issues on all sides not at all caused by the passes at all, like take the roadhogs and other selfish tanks being picked, is that a bad thing? since when is playing a specific hero in a hero shooter a bad thing? its not, people hated roadhog because roadhog's flaws in his design, i say this as a hog main since 2017, people hate hog because of poor design+jank, this is entirely on the hero's fault not the priority pass

[@retroblaze1427]

Priority pass made me a support player 💀

[@Ccscenario]

the 6v6 test needs to come already

[@RafaelGoulartDF]

to take longer?

[@Shrimp4Gura]

Blizz: who wants 6v6? Dps/support players: We do! Blizz: ok, who wants to play tank? Dps/support players: * silence *

[@suep]

it didnt rofl

[@magoshyyem7436]

i like ow1 orisa

[@meta-memes9060]

Tanks should be smaller and with less hp

[@BigSunn0]

Who cares? It's gone and happened a long time ago. I mean I don't disagree but this video is 21 minutes long.

[@realth8572]

6v6 test is due, incentive systems are important for blizzard around about now

[@gary_vfx5559]

Ah yes, a shit system that made an already shit dead game more shittier

[@9lonerr]

unironically your a top youtuber in my opinion

[@andrewkvk1707]

So the pass as a concept didn't kill the game, basically every way it was implemented was designed in such a way to cause issues that weren't explicitely necessary.

[@Bluemansonic]

Disliked cuz the 6VS6 tests are not going to work

[@shannonolivas9524]

A system thay encourages hoarding of resources and selfishness? Is this man talking about capitalism? The problems seem obvious after this analysis. 1 ticket for a loss and 6 for a win, you can theoretically just throw games (or a soft throw) to lower your SR so you can win more tickets. The win payout is 6:1, way too high and incentivized gaming the system.

[@mr.smalllegs5725]

realeasing more tank characters will make more people to play the role by diversifying the gameplay

[@freezedriedicecream]

mauga moment

[@aolson1111]

They have released more tanks and that never happened.

[@theSato]

Roll my eyes every time I see a clickbait title like this. It didn't kill overwatch - the game is still alive and well, in the top 10 multiplayer games, and it has stayed there since OW2's re-launch. Also, as much as people complain about "abandoning the game" during OW1's time -- let's be real. It was a $40 game that made almost no money beyond the first year. Of course development of new stuff had to slow down to a stop after several years of free updates. It's pointless to hemorrhage money on a product you aren't making anything on that many years after launch. It's the whole reason OW2 re-launched as an F2P game and leaned toward a skin shop -- a more long-term, consistent income to fund content and pay devs. (The loot boxes in OW1 never made any meaningful money - the game gave them out like candy and everyone got everything they wanted (and more) without spending a dime) As much as people cry and say these were 'bad decisions' (stopping updates on OW1, re-launching as F2P, removing loot boxes, adding a skin shop with paid-only skins) - they are actually good decisions that have saved the game for players who actually love the game -- we get new content regularly, tons of new heroes -- but also opened the door for new players to play as much as they want, without any disadvantages, without a $40 bouncer holding them back at the door. The community is healthy, the game is healthy, there are hundreds of thousands of us enjoying our free game daily -- people who say "OW is dead" or other similar statements are really coping because they want to see the game (or Blizzard) fail. That's really what it amounts to.

[@meat3958]

People have a 15+ minute que time in SILVER/GOLD duo or no duo. Que times don’t lie 🤷‍♂️

[@ForTheJerusalem]

Ruin balance with bad character design > try to fix balance with role queue > fail to fix balance with role queue > ruin queue with role queue > try to fix queue with priority pass > ruin everything with priority pass > try to fix queue with 5v5 > ruin everything (queue included) with 5v5 > try to fix everything with 6v6 I wonder how they will ruin the game next.

[@SocialDesignFlaw]

It’s hard not to see the clear desire to “get back to Titan” in the OW1 dev team’s decision making. Months long waits for numbers patches, lack-lustre design structure for Heroes, and hand-waving surface systems like Priority Pass and LFG that barely constituted a new coat of paint. At this point the amount of Trained to Troll reflex in the playerbase is very difficult to contend with, having expanded well beyond the priority pass issues and into general prioritization in gameplay. I don’t know that anything could reasonably start to fix that even with a shift to 6v6, beyond the promised hope (and influx of players who abandoned OW before the TtT kicked in) of a brand new game in the franchise.

[@AlineMaline1]

just copy the way league of legends works, they have been doing this for years and it works just fine because there was some thought behind it.

[@kezif]

nah, competitive based 6v6 format, aja fundamental game design is what killed overwatch

[@HegeRoberto]

I don't even play comp at all. For me the expensive skins and zero ways to earn them without paying what killed the game

[@rinnnnnnnnnnrinRinOnishi]

Lol