The Problem with Fulgrim...

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[@wolfie54321]

Daemon Fulgrim has actually been depicted as a model... in Epic 2nd Edition.

[@tappajavittu]

I was about to post this.

[@urgereturnz6540]

Alongside Magnus the blue

[@skeeter5076]

@@urgereturnz6540And reaper Mortarion. Honestly I like Epic Mortarion more than the big 40k one

[@luketfer]

@@skeeter5076 In fact for the longest time Epic was the ONLY way you saw the Daemon Primarches and it included the main four (Magnus, Angron, Motarion, Fulgrim).

[@jonathonsmith8299]

Just so folks know what we're talking about: wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/a/a9/FulgrimEpic.jpg/400px-FulgrimEpic.jpg

[@builder969channel6]

I don't think resin Fulgrim means we won't get a plastic one, the forge world character series are a lot more "realistic" than the 40k plastic ones as they tend to be more cartoonish you can see this especially with Angrons new model

[@TheStennar]

I really hope the new 40k Fulgrim More depraved after 10 000 years of debauchery. the horus heresy daemon fulgrim is perfection and 40k is closer to the monster he really is. And for bonus if you like sexy snake model you could play it 40k

[@JD86Vintage]

We got two Lion in FW Resin and GW Plastic. They were only about a year or so apart. I'm also fully expecting resin Magnus, Mortarian, Angron and maybe Perty in the new run of "Ascended" Primarchs. So this doesn't exclude the 40k option.

[@Gabdube]

As far as this fiscal year is concerned, we might get 40k rules for the FW model. But we are certainly not going to get a second Fulgrim SKU release from GW until next year, or else it'd cannibalize sales for this FW product launch (which needs to recoup its costs before the next report to shareholders).

[@JD86Vintage]

@@Gabdube I don't know why anyone would be expecting him now anyways. Look at the gaps between Magnus/Mortarian/Angron. We just got Angron months ago. So apply the Morty>Angron gap and were not getting another traitor Primarch until late 2025 at the earliest.

[@619Slipk]

So the material is perfect for highly detailed models, but more fragile and expensive af Well... At least it fits the character lol

[@millemaschere6976]

My idea: 40k fulgrim will not come out until this fulgrim hit the store, otherwise 40k version will steal all the attention

[@TabletopTime]

Thats cynical. I like it

[@demonic_myst4503]

Lol shows how lottle 40k players actualy listen to what gw state

[@demonic_myst4503]

They wont release a 40k fulgr8m till they release a codex for emperor children which wont come till the ano7nced mainline codexes have been released it definitly isnt being anounced anytime soon you have had your fingers in your ears to think that this fulgrim would been 40kcwhen they stated a resin haresy primarch was going be ano7nced

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@TabletopTime Not necessarily there, having money put into the kit does set up other issues with direct competition or waste between their own company. At the same time, this might also be something of a misdirect because Fulgrim is a focus of a lot of players while they might be working on something else there. Having something else planned for the short term for 40K is just like them there,

[@luketfer]

@@demonic_myst4503 Agreed, in fact being very cynical, this is a model to 'test the waters' and see how popular a plastic Fulgrim would be and whether they should release a 'Codex: Emperor's Children'. Slaanesh has always been the 'red headed stepchild' of the Chaos Gods with often getting the least amount of focus due to the sexual nature of the themes surrounding it. Even in the Warhammer MMO they almost completely removed anything Slaanesh related beyond including Daemonettes... Heck remember when, for a period, GW basically tried to completely bury Slaanesh as a thing? Like for a while they tried to be a more 'kid focused' (like releasing 'kid friendly' novel series etc.), they completely removed Slaanesh as an entity from Age of Sigmar etc. It was only after a change in leadership that they bought them back and we've seen them switch to a more 'adult collectors' focus.

[@dilonr9745]

A plastic Fulgrim will likley still happen, just as a new resin angron, magnus, and mortarion will be released. Similar to how there used to be resin and plastic greater demons

[@demonic_myst4503]

yes and no , problem here is weird cognitive disonance from 40k players everyone who paid atention knee a resin haresy pr8march was going be revealed it was on haresys time line same as the mk armors and dreadnought only thing wasnt concirmed ehat which primarch and they have plans for a actual full acended fulgr8m for 40k when they do the emperor children codex which also if paying atention anyone would know that wont be till after all the other codexes that been anounced

[@wolfie54321]

It seems pretty crazy that GW are going to double up on everything.... that said, I tend to prefer FW's stab at the Primarchs more than GW's, so not the worst thing in the world to have both.

[@davidbrechin1559]

I figured Slaanesh was doomed back during the start of AOS when Archaon's dragon only had 3 heads

[@jamesmacken9501]

FW: ''Here is a road map for the next few months that includes a corrupted resin traitor primarch for the Horus Heresy to be announced at this time period.'' *FW Does exactly that* 40k players: ''We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed and we've been quite possibly bamboozled.''

[@Andrewlang90]

Far right theory: They haven’t released a plastic Fulgrim model yet because they are trying to figure out a way to bring him back as a loyalist Primarch.

[@TabletopTime]

Thats easy - Trazyn has a perfect clone of Fulgrim in stasis that Fabius Bile made. Handwave him free and he is loyal and just. He shares the memories of Fulgrim, minus the demon corruption, he feels only debt and regret for his originals mistakes and seeks to fix them. But Fabulous Bill sold him for some geneseed.

[@LB-ru4xs]

@@TabletopTimebut the clones only have the physical bodies of the Primarchs, not the warp stuff within, so they’re incomplete.

[@bigtyg21]

@@LB-ru4xswasn’t that part of the big deal though was that the fulgrim clone was 1 to 1?

[@DRTisKING]

​@@LB-ru4xshave Clonegrim lead a band of 30k Loyalist Emperor's Children also in Trazyn's vault to steal Fulgrim's soul back from the Pride of the Emperor. Because a Mirror Cracked is garbage.

[@ReadThisIfYourG3y]

@@DRTisKINGimagine him going to Istvann V finding the purple shattered remains along with some thousand sons armour, then realising what fulgrim did to rylanor. Then we have reasons for daemon to come back

[@Ben-fk9ey]

This was basically chat/the community reaction: Fulgrim announced 🤯 30k only 😬 Resin 🤬

[@Karloss00]

Then the "No 40K rules"

[@demonic_myst4503]

Only the die hard 40 k players gave a shit to be mad its apart the primerch series their all resin haresy models

[@demonic_myst4503]

This was also on the haresy roadmao anyone who paid any atention to games workshops activities kenw this was going be haresy and resin the roadmao outright stated a resin primarch for haresy would be revealed alongside the nee armor mk and dreadnought

[@Xfactor3521]

​@@demonic_myst4503typo god

[@chrism.7760]

Pretty sure, that plastic Flugrim will come rather soon, but only after the 40k EC fans have bought the expensive resin modell. Then they can announce the plastic modell and people will buy a second Fulgrim. GW will be like: stonks 📈

[@kitsunoyumi]

Ya know what? I think that we would've had this problem regardless of when FW released Fulgrim if they didn't hold off until the Plastic Emperor's Children came out. Since we don't know when that's coming out, if ever, FW might've just decided to bite the bullet and release Fulgrim now.

[@baconboi4482]

The warhammer communities reaction to GW models sounds like Pokémon communities reaction to anything

[@origulator]

I think that because Forge world have been retiring a lot of their medium-large kits they probably wanted something new in that size range to fill the gap left behind. I also think that a daemon Lorgar or Perturabo would've been far more appropriate because their chances of coming to 40k are far lower.

[@shadowstep1375]

I could see daemon Lorgar coming to 40k. Hell I would love a codex for word bearers and would easily drop so much money on new word bearers models.

[@Uncle_Anthoni]

I think since they are doing all of the primarchs again in HH, they did Fulgrim first as a feeler to see how the user base would react to it. If the rumors are true, and he's supposed to make an appearance at the end of 10th, he's already being designed and tested now. It's a free way to get buzz going for EC.

[@awesomlawson]

Love Dave's little lore videos, i could just listen to him talk for hours while i paint

[@TabletopTime]

Tabletop Time loves your little comments

[@erraticuk]

Injection molded plastic "high initial tooling costs" could be off set by actually selling the product. But everything seems to be limited run and either out of stock or never to be reproduced. If your product sells out in minutes you need to be firing someone. I dont know why but they simply dont produce enough stock.

[@TabletopTime]

I think its because they produce the kits in their england factory and its just beyond capacity. They need to build a new location. Dont outsource. Keep it local and strong for the UK, but build more output!

[@mikewicked.x]

​@@TabletopTimethey tried outsourcing plastics to China 10 or so years back, and they were terrible. QC went out the window. They do need to increase their current facility though.

[@kingofthedead1282]

I think one of the biggest key differences between Horus Heresy and 40K is the artistic style of the models. All Horus Heresy models look somewhat more realistic, even their demons. So the Fulgrim here matches that.

[@sumisuokami]

it's not that it's resin, it's the fact that it's forgeworld. you pay a premium price for: mould slips, bubbles, release agent that can't be removed and of course.....warping. So many companies produce perfect defect free resin minis i wish forgeworld would up their game and lower prices. RANT OVER!

[@childrenofthesun471]

It is the fact that it's resin cause the parts are thin and can snap easily

[@sumisuokami]

@@childrenofthesun471 who made it that way?

[@childrenofthesun471]

@@sumisuokami all resin is fragile tho and can snap

[@sumisuokami]

@@childrenofthesun471 those wings do look weak as piss, just imagine the pain a few bubbles will cause. I have many big winged resin models (not gw) and they are fragile compared to plastics, but forgeworld do suck at quality control (except if your leakycheese) you must admit that.

[@childrenofthesun471]

@@sumisuokami oh yeah I'm not defending forgeworld, I don't even buy minis from there I just get recasts lol

[@Infernal_Puppet]

I don't understand the point of this video. The model is clearly for the Horus Heresy and is part of a new range of Primarch models for the game, of course it was going to be resin. When the Emperor's Children come to 40k there will certainly be a plastic model. Fulgrim being in resin was a pleasant surprise for many Heresy players, because it means we will be getting resin sculpts for each of the demon primarchs which fit the aesthetic of the game better than the 40k plastics.

[@acledfloyd]

He has been a model before, as an Epic 40K model that is so cute.

[@adamkibble7865]

GW doesn't always make sense, but it does try to make cents... Also as a comparison the Blood Bowl rumors were spot on. Took almost a year between releases, but we did get a Vampire team with a Big Guy

[@exceldamage1861]

to your final point, that people are upset that they think this means he isnt coming in plastic, i have to disagree, at least for myself. im sure he will be along in plastic in the next year or four. I think the problem is that the reveal didnt mention the game system until we'd had a chance to really bask in the model's glory. if it had opened with the horus heresy logo, it would have been a very different story. additionally, knowing that a plastic one will eventually come, and seeing how perfect this sculpt is (at least in my eyes), i feel a bit let down by the probability that the plastic kit just wont look nearly as good as the resin one.

[@TabletopTime]

This is an interesting take I hadn't considered - A hype bait and switch on the reveal? Thanks for sharing! I also would be concerned about the comparison between the two

[@atlas6538]

​@@TabletopTime they didn't bait anyone tho, they had a hh roadmap with a "new primarch" on the horizon, I am sure a lot of people didn't see or pay attention to the roadmap but that's on them, not gw

[@Randomsquirrel666]

I think the big thing causing anger is just it being Forge World in general. If you look at announcements for The Old World people are angry there too. The community just for the most part doesn't want Forge World stuff.

[@The0Stroy]

Emperor's Children and anything Slaanesh related is too "spicy". Muderous blood soaked psychopaths of World Eaters? Ok. Constantly puking and diarrhea of Death Guard? Ok. Twisted magic of Thousand Sons? Ok. Sexiness and suggestivness of Emperor's Children? Oh noes, we can't make our minatures lewd!!

[@nicholassinnett2958]

Can't deny that fan expectations were a big problem here. GW said a Primarch was coming for 30K, and there's never been confirmation of a plastic EC range happening, just one or two allusions to Fulgrim in-lore, the same old rumours that people have been parroting since 2016, and people seeing a pattern when GW doesn't always follow through with those anyway (remember Codex: Alien Hunters? Me neither). But here we are. And I'm glad Fulgrim's in resin/by FW, honestly, for all the medium's issues (which are mostly - but not entirely - FW quality control issues, not resin issues, honestly). There'd just be too many design compromises to make him work in plastic, and he'd probably end up looking way more cartoonish if he had been. IMO, the plastic daemon primarchs look like they stepped out of a comic book, thanks to the sculpting style GW has moved towards since they started doing all their stuff in CAD-designed plastic (which I'm sure has a lot to do with it working better in plastic than more organic styles). Fulgrim, on the other hand, looks like he slithered out of a Renaissance painting made by someone who was way too fond of hallucinogens, since they can sculpt without having to worry about whether an overhanging detail will snag on the mould and break off.

[@neon_necromunda]

Just before you said resin I was saying in my head "the only thing thatll stop me buying it is if its resin" but lately with forgeworld they arent finishing the 3d printed masters and leaving very ibvious layer lines on very expensive minis

[@thejdi]

Please next time when you do a talking 'head' video take a seat and relax. It's so wibbelywobbely. Hard to watch for me. (Story is great though1!)

[@celvinjohn-hayes2878]

how about dont be so damned entitled. gw has made a model not for 40k for once. warhammer will always be an expensive hobby. it always has been. forge world is in a wierd spot when theyre the outliers in that their resin is so much more expensive than the other creators for no apparent reason. but its always been that way. the horus heresy, in my opinion, is for the more adult warhammer enjoyer. people that meticulously look after their models so the fragility of resin isnt a problem. 40k will get plastic fulgrim, but chill out. angron has only just come out theyre not going to give up the last big primarch for chaos 6 months later. people arguing that it should be usable across both games can calm down too. theyre in a completely different scale of size than 30k so the plastic ones would feel monstrously large when theyre not meant to be the size of a knight, and alternatively the new fulgrim would be dwarfed by angron in 40k. im being very sharp here i understand, but as soneone who has moved on from 40k to what i believe is the vastly better game, id like to reiterate that 40k players need to calm down. not everything is for you all of the time

[@Nigelius]

I think resin Fulgrim falls fully in line with the Ascended Primarchs, I think 30k is going to tackle the siege of terra towards the end of the edition. What’s going to inform 40K Fulgrim design more is how Ascended Angron, Magnus and Mortarion come out. If there’s a blend of 30k aesthetics with the pure daemonic mutations (ie wings) in their design then 40K Fulgrim could be radically different from even the Daemonic 30k sculpt. I wouldn’t be deflated, just patient. I can honestly see EC coming in 10th, TS came in late 7th, DG came in 8th and WE came in late 9th. Late 10th seems ideal for them.

[@jeremyedwards4426]

Literally even with all the other issues 1 thing would have avoided all the backlash, rules for him in 40k the game people actually play and care about

[@GingerBee788]

I believe plastic Fulgrim and emperors children are coming, if you look at the current trend with they're releases its at the end of editions, we only just got Aggron. So I'm guessing end of 10th in 3 years we'll finally get Fulgrim.

[@foreverfornever1124]

yeah I think most of the community outside of starving EC fans knows they are coming to plastic eventually. However, bit of a stretch, but if we did get Fulgrim for HH it may slightly hint at EC and Fulgrim not getting their turn this edition. It in fact could become Perty and the Iron warriors representing the Dark Mechanicum this edition. It sort of aligns with the introduction to Vastor and the rumors of the traitor guard and Dark Mechanicum coming to 10th edition. That would be a bit of slap to the face to EC fans

[@d-emprahexpects]

Take it as it comes, it's a fun hobby regardless of new releases. Existing stuff is awesome 😉

[@bobbyg8474]

Love the content, but for god sakes, stop wobbling the bloody cameras!!

[@ClarissaMeyer]

Rumours can be a lot of fun, but as you say, one has to take them with a grain of salt. I was really worried that the soap "box" was going to explode!

[@dahSweep]

A new Primarch model from FW has been in the roapmap for Horus Heresy for a long time. This was no surprise, and for me it's the correct choice. 30k is moving into a new era, and with the setting being set more in the later stages of the heresy now it makes sense to release the Daemon Primarchs. I might also be biased since I prefer 30k over 40k, but a lot of 40k players in this case are acting like spoiled brats. God forbid that GW gives some love to other games than 40k for once...

[@TabletopTime]

I would prefer daemon primarchs who will probably never get 40k models. Lorgar, Perturabo

[@ovan2190]

I want to believe that there's still a chance for a plastic Emperor's Children and Fulgrim , he may look like different than the resin one but I feel like we're getting a possible preview. It's wishful thinking but I think something positive needs to come from Resin Fulgrim other than how awesome he looks

[@iiruniaalice1764]

the only thing that I'm wondering is: would that mini survive a battle report between jazza and dave? *flashback to the last time they had resin minis with wings hitting the floor*

[@BigFrenchNose]

Resting your arm on a snowy piece of terrain with a black hoodie was a mistake. Look at your sleeve now!

[@TabletopTime]

I did notice 🤣

[@ShallowVA]

It's a good thing the Emperor's Children probably all have a humiliation fetish the way GW have treated them the last couple of decades.

[@jaanikaapa6925]

This is second daemon Fulgrim mini. First was the Epic model.

[@Wolfineer_]

Great video! Extra shakey cam made me nauseous though so had to podcast listen, but a really good breakdown of the situation. It's a great model and will look gorgeous on a display shelf but it's not realistically a playable miniature with those wings and too expensive to break pricetag.

[@boop2908]

I can't unsee the sleeve of your hoodie getting whiter the more you lean on that terrain. But yeah I thiink within the next couple of years we will get a 10th edition update to the Emperors Children includng a plastc Fulgrim. What Forge Worlds Specialist Design Studio and Games Workshops Citadel Minatures do have little to no bearing on what the other is workng on, Fulgrms HH sculpt isn't the nail in the coffin that many are making it out to be.

[@kellyedwards421]

I remember overhearing some people complain about forge world models and I didn't understand why. I've watch you guys use forge world models just fine. Thank you for explaining the reason why forge world isn't for everyone

[@matrixminis]

I can't speak for the Emps Childrens fans.. but as a DKoK fan.. I hold no hope or expectation with GW anymore.. Rumour mill is nice, and its exciting when the the rumours become reality. But given how GW in recent years has just butchered some of the most beloved armies/units from the game and even more so in the launch of 10th, the removal of any support/rules for units that are still being sold on GW/FW and are loved by fans (Yes I'm looking at HH Dreadnaughts + Krieg Engineers with this one), its hard to have trust or faith that anything the fan base wants will actually happen. At this point I just wait to see what happens with reveals and if I'm lucky and there are some nice new units I want cool. If there's not, then I'm not really any further disappointed because frankly I'm already disappointed by GW, they themselves, I am not a fan of. For me, it's the games, the community (including YTs like yourselves), the models and the lore that I'm here for. Besides, with 3d printing as it is now, who needs FW when I have my own means of production sat on my desk. Really cool video though, love the work you folks are doing lately!

[@DanteMac26]

I just got Lion back, so I've got nothing to complain about really. But, I was surprised they said no 40k rules though. That just seems... weird. As in, what reason do you have not to sell this model to 40k players? Why would you want to limit it to only 30k players and painters? ('Cause you know that's gonna be a Golden Demon winning model.) Did the recent backlash after all the Heresy models were taken out of 40k have something to do with it?

[@jonathantheslow]

It definitely wouldn’t have been as bad if they went with any of the other Primarchs, especially if it’s the one that I think should have been next, Lorgar. He has rules for his ascended form (I think, but I’ve been wrong before), he isn’t one of the 4 monogod Primarchs, and he isn’t the only monogod Primarch that hasn’t gotten a plastic release alongside his legion. GW should have realized that releasing Daemon Fulgrim in 40k takes priority over releasing him in 30k for just about everyone. Also, as an extra note, I say this as someone who dislikes Word Bearers quite a bit.

[@shumbojrimp8274]

I mean, they delivered what they promised, but what they promised was something that NOBODY wanted. I didn’t even know that Horus Heresy was a game until this model, and as someone who wants to make a Custodes army but refuses to use Forgeworld models, who is this for? Hobbyists and collectors, not people who actually play the game? Genuinely, who was this for? I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone speak positively about Horus Heresy as a “game.”

[@tappajavittu]

I don't know how to feel about the decision made by James Workshop anymore, I was very hyped when I heard Epic 40k is coming back, then it turns out it's just Horus heresy in a smaller scale (boring), now deamon Fulgrim is just for Horus Heresy and resin, can't wait to see how they fuck up the Old World.

[@thomasohanlon1060]

Honestly, I do not care about what G.W. does or doesn't do. I watch T.T. videos for tips on painting and modifying figures within what I build, that is WW1 and WW2 and the occasional U.S. Civil War figures.

[@Acetropy]

I honestly don't feel like this release conflicts with plastic fulgrim. I wouldn't expect the EC range to get released before 2025, or more likely 2026 anyways. Until then they're going to release multiple Ascended models. I don't know how many ascended primarchs there are going to be, i assumed its only going to be chaos primarchs, that ascended during the heresy. But that might be wrong. So i feel like, it might actually make sense to do fulgrim first, to get the maximum time inbetween of plastic and resin fulgrim. When fulgrim comes out, this model might be 2 or 3 years old. Also on a design-perspective, it would make sense to start working on plastic fulgrim at the end of the design-process of resin fulgrim. They now have a design to build upon.

[@Tajealos]

Cons: - Not for 40k - Resin - He wing too big he gonna break Pros: The door is open to make an even more twisted and daemonic Fulgrim in the future This is Fulgrim at the end of the Heresy, so 10,000 years is plenty of time for him to transform into something even more hideously beautiful I wanna see something absolutely over the top and extreme Give him a gorgeous, perfectly sculpted face, or a mask reflective of that former appearance, on a demented, hideous Keeper of Secrets body with an enormous coiled Naga tail Make his model ripe with intricately sculpted fine detail, while simultaneously being something genuinely unsettling to look at Just as Slaanesh would want

[@deadknight1402]

A problem I can see with the Emperor's Children being coming up is their association with Slaanesh. GW is a company that wants to make a lot of money. So, naturally, they've been trying to expand the audience for years--even in directions that make literally no sense and are the worst ideas ever. Well, Slaanesh is about as bad for marketing as they get. This is the god most associated with Sex and Drugs. Models associated with Slaanesh have bare titties hanging out. Nothing's gonna get advertising or general audiences cringing and going away quite like Slaanesh. This seems to have been enough of a problem for GW to just flat-out delete Slaanesh when Age of Sigmar was released. Sure, we have Slaaneshi armies back in AoS, after people had been complaining about it, and even still, the Prince of Pleasure is still locked away, and the armies we do have tend to shy away from the unapologetic sexuality of Slaanesh in favour of other characteristics, such as Greed and Gluttony.

[@AlexJaneway]

Yeah, I am disappointed it isn't a plastic 40k Fulgrim. However I am glad for the EC 30k Players who want to be more tainted 30k list. But whenever we ever get 40k EC, the DP Fulgrim at least he should match up with the aesthetic they choose.

[@tristanellis-mascoll1171]

Okay I want to be blunt: if you want to establish the rule of the demon primarchs and their respective legions being remade, Magnus is the exception, as he came long before the rework of his thousand sons. But lets face what we have: Mortarion and the Death Guard kicking of 8th. In 9th we got ne thousand sons and end of 9th we got the World Eater rework. So its probably safe to assume that Emperors Children will be getting their new stuff about 2/3 into 10th. So about the time players usually get less new stuff, because they know the next edition is lurking around the corner the upcoming months. Also this Fulgrim model pretty much breaks it to even the last of us, that HH is a completly different game.

[@looselycollected7505]

I feel like anything in resin from Forgeworld should either be a display model or something massive like the Titans. Plastics should always be your tabletop standard for play pieces. I suppose I don't have a dog in this fight, as I don't play Chaos. But I dream of a return of Corvus from the warp. And I'd rather he return in plastic for play and resin for display. Give us a choice to play. But ultimately I also don't play tournaments. And I have 3D ptinters. So maybe I'll find decent proxies I can print or buy and just move on.

[@Meuduso1]

I honestly don't think that the EC as a faction are dead, not at all. I strongly believe that even GW in all their....interesting ways of thinking at times won't just abandon a clearly established pattern with the main four Chaos Legions, started off by the Thousand Sons in 7th, continued by the Death Guard in 8th and last updated with the World Eaters at the end of 9th so making EC the thing at the end of 10th only makes sense. That being said the Fulgrim reveal was incredibly surprising, them saying that it's only HH makes me think that there's no reason why there shouldn't be a model in 40k but more importantly, what the hell is it gonna look like now? The 40k Fulgrim would be a daemon Primarch 10 thousand years later, to be fair most of that time he spent in the warp where there is no time, on his own personal pleasure planet but still, maybe the model he will get in 40k differs from the 30k one a lot. The 30k Fulgrim is how I think most people imagine Daemon Primarch Fulgrim to look like so what if they go and turn up the daemon WAY more with him, higher levels than Angron

[@TimeLapsePrints]

Three plastic primarchs out of four. If nothing else, that set expectations. And I think reasonably so. At least give us some NOISE!!!!!!

[@WarlockOfWiFi]

I’m just happy my Twitch chat entry made it into a TableTop Time video 😂❤

[@yellheahtris]

I have a playlist of your lore videos like this to listen to while working in class - and even though I can't really have an opinion on releases either way - it's interesting to hear from mega fans. I dont paint a *lot* of warhammer, but Ive had several resin D&D minis meet their crumbeled fate from falling off my desk, or even just tipping over. I love them for their details and beauty, and hate them for how clumsy I can be. While I completely understand my accidents arent anyone else's fault, I definitely see the anxiety around a really big, resin model. Really interesting video! Id like to see more opinionated "talk with me" videos : )

[@andreasell1830]

The only fix very fast i see from gw was the mkVI space wolves heads, after i think One year (maybe less) they fix what the comunity want. Fulgrim is a waste in resin. I think gw now work time-produce is 1-2 years.

[@Kctcreeper]

I have a theory about plastic EC. I have a feeling we will not be getting a plastic Fulgrim. At least not this edition. I do believe that EC will be getting a 40K Refresh this edition as there have been rumours that the EC molds are now finished. These are supposedly from the same people that predicted the roadmap for the end of 9th which was accurate. I think Fulgrim will be the resin model purely because they'll want this one to sell before they release a plastic one which will 100% Steal the spotlight. I don't like this theory of mine but I'm willing to acepet it as what will happen. They pushed the Horus Ascended model quite heavily after it's release. I think that this will likely happen with Fulgrim. So EC with the Resin Fulgrim seems plausible to me

[@stevencavanagh7990]

GW: heres Fulgrim accsended, us: Boo wheres his 40k version. GW: what would be the point of going balls deep of the bat, no we'll show you his ascension before we revile the final form. Wait.

[@foreverfornever1124]

GW hinted at a primarch reveal for HH and we literally just got Angron and a World Eaters refresh in less than a year for 40k. I dont see how people could be upset that we didnt get EC or fulgrim now. But I will say GW could have chosen any other primarch other than Fulgrim right now. Now what would be a shock is if its not in fact EC and Fulgrim we get in 10th but Perty and the iron warriors in plastic representing the Dark Mechanicum since they are essentially one in the same. That would be the slap in the face for EC fans for sure

[@akumaking1]

GW should embrace 3D printing

[@footrot17]

I like building models

[@jaqssmith1666]

11th edition box set Loyalist Fulgrim and his Sons of the Phoenix Vs, Demon Fulgrim and his Emperor's Children.

[@y-adouradou446]

Gosh.. the meltdown of 40K players.. You guys are gonna have a plastic fulgrim and an EC line very soon, maybe next year, as it is supposed to be following the schedule. It's really tiring to see all the players who have a youtube channel crying for a 30K model like you guys are not gonna have one

[@hailon_rias7341]

It still really is hard to get excited for the model when it has the drawbacks, like if it was a plastic 30k model, I think most people(despite the long term chaos players) would be happy to even have that cause then they could buy it easily, make it easily and paint it EASILY just as a model, so basically fuck forgeworld

[@mistalina13]

After a certain size point with resin stuff it basically becomes a garage kit. Lovely for display but playability you really would have to be careful. D: That model *is* super gorgeous though.

[@MordantMiniatures]

Little do we know, this is actually a prime slaaneshi ritual lmao. Slaanesh is supping deeply on the mass disappointment and torment of so many hobbyists, and it's fueling the creation of the full 40k fulgrim kit! @TabletopTime

[@redacted8374]

There will be a 40k fulgrim 100% but not within months of angron releasing. It will outsell resin fulgrim. Im waiting on an amazing puratrabo model though so will be waiting decades

[@hollowknight4630]

Fulgrim is one of my favorite characters in 40k and all I’ve wanted was a 40k faction for the emperor’s children and it seems like I’m gonna be waiting a while now

[@allonewordcaps]

I have no idea what Dave is talking about. Mostly I’m here for the mini painting and battle reports. But I watched the whole video in support of TTT. I would like to say something about the lighting and how centered Dave is in the video. Gosh you have done so much better in the past. And the going back and forth from hand held camera to tripod. Cutting off the top of Dave’s head. Once more for the bad lighting. I did like that he was standing with the Space Bears set. So cool. Can’t wait for that to happen. Seriously I love TTT so much. Really do.

[@leSmokySmoke]

ok so I have no understanding of the matter at all, but I have a question. if it is so obvious that everyone knows and agrees that the material used for this model is JUST inferior.. WHY does GW made with it instead of plastic???

[@JescoJimBo]

I love working with resin! Fulgrim is not that bad to work with. I also love the Creature Caster stuff. It's amazing and fun to work with. Get Good!

[@andrewamann2821]

Unless something has changed, Corvus Belli's minis aren't white metal, they're proper, leaded pewter...

[@AceFrahm]

Bad audio recording quality captured more room noise than Dave. Dave is mumbling with poor diction in this video. And holy crap hold the camera still, the shaking doesn't add "drama" it induces motion sickness! It is one thing to have a bad recording combined with a bad recital of the script, but to then wave the camera up & down TOO so that we can't even read the captions to follow along without getting nauseous is cruel to us, and doesn't respect our time & attention

[@robling1937]

1. I have a homebrew white scars successor that fell to slaanesh and are sort of a chaos biker gang, so outriders and noise marines from the emperor's children would be sick! 2. OMG, get a tripod hahaha sorry, the hand held cam shake was making me dizzy lol

[@NathanLazyBear]

I liked your recap of the rumor and trends, I am a little let down he wasn't for 40k, we had a similar release with Lion el johnson, I remember almost the same disappointment when the horus heresy model was released. I felt the excitement in the community when Lion El Johnson reached 40k, I think they are missing out on a lot by not releasing more of these kits. If they want to justify the price of these kits, there should be more of an aggressive release cycle. They can afford to take the hit at this point. I'm going to focus on my hobby projects and keep on keeping on.

[@alcullum9548]

I have a feeling that 2025 is going to see a big release for Aldari, Drukari and Slanesh in 40K in some sort of big story line. The Earliest any of these will be out is summer 24 but I think they will hold off a bit longer as a lot of minis are needed for all 3 factions. No proof of this just my gut feeling is all.

[@S.A.S.H.]

I think the root of "why" lies with the separation of the Forge World games and the main games in GW. Does that separation makes sense? Not from a consumers' stand point certainly, but unless we are privy to their organizational and financial data behind this sort of decision, we can only speculate.

[@VaneHartless473]

We are almost certainly getting a 40k Fulgrim eventually. My worry is what could they do that this release doesn't? before this release my ideal fulgrim would be almost exactly this model but in plastic. and maybe feathered wings. And after that jewelist pun i guess i can see there is more potential after all.

[@ragnarokragnarok7702]

The only issue I see with this video is that your "gw works in mysterious ways" gives more credit to them than is likely due. It's a company, the problem is certainly a mix of bad timing and communication.

[@Rohnon]

Problems with Resin? Skill Issue Problems with Price? Recasters got your back

[@TonyE727]

And then 3d print modelers are going to come swinging in to undercut GW. And they're going to be like 😱

[@bubbahms1]

Going to be honest, I thought Fulgrim already had a model, so when I saw the announcement a few days ago I thought they just updated it. I had no idea there was so much controversy over it until this informative video. Please note that my ignorance comes from the fact that I only pay attention to the model ranges for factions I care about (such as Tyranids, Tau and Chaos Knight) and ignore the rest as they don't interest me.

[@9jester9]

Camera operator drunk again? Very annoying…

[@dococ3272]

Whaaat??? GW did something completely against the consumer and went back on a previous promise? No way no waaayyyy

[@swoosh94]

I still have hope that we'll get a 40k plastic EC range at some point. It just will be 3yrs down the line towards the end of the edition, along with either Russ or Khan for the loyalists!

[@joeriley2745]

I was glad fulgrim wasn't in 40k yet because my theory is rogal dorn will be next loyalist and they will give him the emporers claw weapon to replace his hand and then perturabo will come back to fight him

[@ChampionOfSkyrim]

Games Workshop is the only company that can't get resin right. If some dude in China or Japan living in a garage can make a resin gundam kit without these issues, GW should be able to figure it out

[@rileyernst9086]

You recieve my spittle good sir for your defamation of resin as a modelling medium. I've only ever had minor issues with FW resin, and like 90% of my army is resin.

[@justinland9533]

It's obvious that this was just GW failing to read the room, of all of the primarchs to be revealed Fulgrim was the only one that could have been controversial

[@samuelkohn7282]

I didn't heard any rumor, when I saw the announcement it was so obvious that a demon primarch would be for 40k that my eyes didn't even register the HH logo in the video.

[@Frosty-kz4om]

I'm actually excited to see how much more extreme and excessive a 40k Fulgrim might look in comparison to this ascended model.

[@AJBunBun]

I hate resin. Fulgrim should have been plastic and should be able to be used over both systems. Silly Games Workshop!

[@Ian-242]

Dude relax,,a feel u but ,as previous commenters have commented! Plastic fulgrim is coming 😂

[@tuppytheducky]

Chaos primarchs and factions bookmark editions and herald a new one, we aren’t at the end of this edition.

[@kabuki_kitten7129]

you know how fulgrims been sitting around on the pleasure world, I say 40k fulgrim should be bulky and look gluttonous less so leath cobra snake guy thingy but a big fat python

[@Spark_Chaser]

People assume a corporation is a singular being, able to respond as things change, like a person. In reality, it's a multi-part monolith, not always aware of what one part is doing, and making decisions off of slices of input. This latest release is likely a result of one part not looking at what the other parts were doing.

[@fomod_]

>1:25 >still shows old Berzerker models but a conversion

[@LinkiePup]

GW told us a new primarch for 30K was coming on their calendar time line thing. I knew it was going to be resin because they said Primarchs where going to be resin. I’m disappointed because I thought it was gonna be Jaghatai Khan on a bike. Guess I am the least disappointed member then??

[@jamesmacken9501]

The said during a Q&A at the event when the roadmap was revealed it wouldn't be khan on bike