The Problem with How We Determine Value - Retro Bird

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Games played: Donkey Kong Country (0:00), Land of Illusion (0:20), Final Fantasy IV (0:40), Tears of the Kingdom (0:55), Thunder Force III (1:20), Sonic 2 (2:58), Super Smash Bros. Melee (5:49), Cuphead (6:28), Contra III (12:00)

[@cultivatedgamer]

Sometimes the game you pick up at the flee market for 5 bucks does end up being a game you get hundreds of hours out of. I love when that happens!!!

[@jeffb.6642]

Or in my case, it's a copy of SNES Pit Fighter that I got for $5 at the secondhand shop because I liked the cover art.. ffs lol

[@cultivatedgamer]

@@jeffb.6642 Yeah, that happens sometimes too. That sucks man!

[@jessecutts4868]

FZero for me. Spent $14 on it. Love it.

[@the_kombinator]

It's still possible - Snake Rattle N Roll, Cobra Triangle, Monopoly, all for about $5 each. So much fun

[@rockguitarist931]

the flip side of that is selling your games back in the day for $5 and trying to buy them back for several hundred more lmao

[@jamesdecade]

As someone who has two young children, a dog, a house and a stressful job, I think we need to talk about determining the value of watching people talking about the value of playing video games. Because that’s all I usually manage and have done for years - and will do for years to come. Thank you Retro Bird for keeping me sane and feeling like I still have a hobby for 10 minutes on a Saturday morning before the chaos begins! 😂

[@Tetrastructural]

I play video games vicariously KZbin and twitch. Not as great as doing it yourself, but it is therapeutic.

[@Dankometer]

Elden ring was such a good value to me for 60$ I bought it on pc and ps5, and gifted a copy to a buddy! 900+ hours later and I'm still playing in preparation for the dlc

[@Lexaire]

You have one of the best video game channels on youtube. I look forward to every video!

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Thank you!

[@FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat]

“To make bananas last longer; sometimes I eat them with the peel still on.” 🤣🤣🤣 GENIUS!

[@kmatlockii]

Have to give our man credit for actually doing it on camera too.

[@benwhite1546]

Strong Griffin McElroy vibes. *Cronch*

[@YustinJ420]

Scott the Woz humour

[@CorporationscontrolNewMexico]

How did he eat that thing!

[@FaithFallRepentGraceRepeat]

@@kmatlockii RIGHT! It’s not the grossest thing in the world but the thought of doing it irks me! But when you love bananas like he does; it’s all good!

[@dongeraci8599]

Dude, the banana industry should be sponsoring you. I swear I've been buying more bananas just because of your videos.

[@holisticreviews]

Bananas add appeal.

[@leviwarren6222]

Retro Bird, brought to you by Chiquita.

[@smokkpinjekpuu]

It's brilliant -- we nerds typically don't get nearly enough potassium

[@dongeraci8599]

@@holisticreviews That was clever. I'll admit they are very.... appealing.

[@leviwarren6222]

@@dongeraci8599 He wasn't trying to be clever, it was a slip of the tongue.

[@ChesterMan-qd3xj]

As an adult, I want my games 9 hours long, like I want my movies 90 minutes long.

[@tonyp9313]

As an adult I want my games 1 hour long & movies under 2 hours.

[@ChesterMan-qd3xj]

@@tonyp9313 most days, that’s probably more accurate.

[@armyofninjas9055]

Me: doesn't watch movies or TV; wants games with 20-40hr campaigns and endless endgame (think ARPG).

[@holisticreviews]

With little kids in my family, the value ‘feature’ of tens of hours of content is a warning that I’ll never finish this game and shouldn’t even begin. A three hour one-and-done-you-had-fun? Now we’re talking.

[@Wil_Dsense]

aye, 3 hours is a perfect length (depending on the game). Especially when allowing for mistakes/multiple tries (i.e not requiring the player to be an expert at the game) and a balance of challenging and rewarding. This usually equals = Fun / (Euphoria of overcoming the challenge).

[@aortaplatinum]

Same, I was lucky to get into JRPGs during the window in my life where I'm smart and mature enough to enjoy their complex gameplay systems but also young enough to not have to worry about taking care of kids and cleaning the gutters and like taxes or some shit idk what middle aged adults do other than work and get mad at the government

[@holisticreviews]

@@aortaplatinum Work and getting mad at the government takes up enough of the pie that you’re getting an idea already!

[@Steinjung]

Same for me. With 4 kids, full time job, friends and other hobbies, although I like to have my daily 30-60 minutes of video games, I usually target games that are estimated at 5 to 10 hours at most. I made the "mistake" june 2023 to buy Elden Ring because I was curious. And although I played about 280 hours of it and it was and incredible journey I'll never forget, I ended up playing only that one game from june of last year to Febuary 2024 haha. Lately I've been playing Axiom Verge which is really really shorter and still and excellent game. I'm halfway through and think I'll have to put in a week to finish it.

[@Wil_Dsense]

@@Steinjung Dude I’m playing Axiom Verge as well! It’s Insane that one guy not only made the whole game himself, over a span of about 5 years, but the sound track too, which is also amazing… some of my favorite game music I’ve heard. the game and music are both masterpieces in their own right. Even the concept for the game, it’s very cool and gameplay is innovative. I think it’s way better than Metroid Dread which is basically unplayable for me because of those fucking EMMIs. One guy made a better game than Nintendo on his own. I’m kind of stuck on Axiom Verge, I was wondering around for ages not knowing where to go next, but it still remains fun to play and not tedious/obnoxious like Metroid Dread is. I guess the problem with leaving Games in the ‘midlog’, is that you might forget what you did last, and then lose momentum about what to do or where to go, happened with me in TOTK, also. But I’m more excited to play Axiom Verge! (Thanks for reading). 👍🏼

[@lightning_round]

Super random but I just wanted to say I love how you capture your gameplay footage!

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Thank you! I really appreciate when people say that because getting that footage requires a lot of finessing to get it the way I want.

[@tom13king]

@@RetroBirdGaminghow do you even record a CRT without the banding and flickering?

[@RetroBirdGaming]

The main thing is to adjust the camera's shutter speed, but it takes a lot of tinkering on top of that.

[@ParlayGod-f2s]

Forgot that would happen to cool he answered ​that @@tom13king

[@jeanclaudevomdeich4234]

Brother i love you... You're channel is a lush and uplifting retreat. Love from Germany 🇩🇪🙏

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Thank you for that! Cheers to you out there in Germany!

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Although internet people are screaming about the switch to digital. 90% of deals in the online stores are better than the ones I see at retail. Just to clarify, IRL retail, that copy full of dirt from EBay at 5 USD that might not work is on a different ballpark.

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Also can we cry for a second about the price of retro? Xbox360 will kill their online store soon and now every Xbox360 is going up in price!

[@ben501st]

For me, I consider games that I enjoy playing with friends extra value. After all, friendship is priceless.

[@fizz872]

The Okami backlog joke gets me every time 😂

[@GoodVibeCollecting]

I've always determined the value of a game by it's quality over quantity. DKC is definitely one game that's worth every penny. It's a short game by today's standards but it's one of those games where you experience something new each time you play it. You DO deserve to Donkey Kong.

[@raggamuffinmcgee]

It's fun to play alone or in a coop situation as well. Both DK and DK 2... so good.

[@GoodVibeCollecting]

@@raggamuffinmcgee And DKC 3 as well even though it gets the most hate of the three games.

[@nickatmacomb8965]

That bite out of an unpeeled banana was pretty hardcore!

[@Blas4ublasphemy]

LA Beast-like...

[@autoneurotic]

I just had a conversation with my coworker about this the other day. He has some games he's put hundreds of hours in (3 or so modern games) and didn't see the value in shorter, older games. I can find value in both. It's fun to get lost in a big, massive world sometimes. Other times (most times) I want something more appropriate for shorter bursts of play. If I only have 40 or 45 minutes to play in a given day, I want something I feel I sink my teeth into. Retro games often fit that bill.

[@leeartlee915]

While I agree with you in general, I feel the pricing structure of games to be all out of whack. For example, I had no issue paying $70 for Tears of the Kingdom. However, I do not think RE3 remake was worth $60. I waited on that game until I get it for cheap (think I picked it up for 7 bucks via a digital sale). And I don’t think I am alone in that thinking. The indie scene has a much better grasp on having different tiers for their games. Hollow Knight I think was 15 bucks when it came out and what a deal that game is. At the same time, they are charging $50 for the Mario vs. Donkey Kong remake. I’m not sure if these companies will ever get their act together but it would be nice. My first rule! If a game is from 10 years ago or older, you cannot charge full price for it. I’m looking at you Super Mario RPG and TTYD.

[@Nordlicht05]

I really like games which are long but at the moment it's a turn off. I don't get fun out of it if I have limited time for this. I want but I couldn't. At the moment.

[@JEFFALITY]

​@@leeartlee915I actually ended up replaying that game several tunes. I love the shit out of that game. Sad it wasn't good for you.

[@leeartlee915]

@@JEFFALITY Which game are you referring to?

[@JEFFALITY]

@@leeartlee915 RE3 Remake

[@brandons7634]

The older I get the more I appreciate shorter games, for a lifestyle with a full time job/parenting/ etc.. a single player campaign is perfect around the 7 hour mark, if it’s more than that I tend to become discouraged or something new comes out before I can finish it and I want to play that one, I may be the minority but that’s just my take

[@leeartlee915]

You are not alone in that my friend. I use to salivate when I discovered that game would go on for hours and hours. Now, I just feel overwhelmed. I would love to play the new FF7 remakes (I even own them) but I just can’t commit to that much time on the couch. That’s why the few RPGs I do play no a days are exclusively on Switch. I started Persona 5 on my PS, got about 20 hours in, and never came back. But when it was released on the Switch, I started up a new game and before I knew it, I was 45 hours in.

[@tr1bes]

Understandable. Now, it's a quick session of 30-45 minute game.

[@tomothywalker]

Yep - games that drag on unnecessarily give me the Jimmy Brits these days. Give me 10-20 quality hours and I’m a happy chappy.

[@adi_niko]

Agreed. My number is 7-9 hours game length

[@Jacob82222]

@@leeartlee915when I have time I like to hop in a online halo 1 or 2 match I’m still good at it and it never gets old can finish a match in under 10min

[@VintageFiendClub]

Okami has been in my backlog for years 😂😅 every time you reference it it hits home harder than you think

[@franco7363]

Agree 100%. This is why we need Sega to be Sega again and forget the damn trends made by Sony. Games now feel like 20hrs+ Repetitive Soap Operas that almost NO ONE has the time to play. The beauty of Arcade games is that they are high quality and fun and consume vey little time with super high replay value. Hope @sega is listening…

[@COIFISHGAMING]

As a Cuphead Guru seeing 1 HP with Chalice on Normal Root Pack with lobber and spread hurt my soul haha. Great vid.

[@SKvldlf]

I literally just bought tears of the kingdom. Got it in the mail yesterday and about to play it for the first time tonight.

[@Wil_Dsense]

Have you played Breath Of The Wild yet? if not, seriously consider starting with that first! I wish I had done that.

[@SKvldlf]

@@Wil_Dsense I did play it. I think I put 150hrs into it.

[@ドリフト180X]

It’s a fun game, I think you’ll enjoy it, I sure did

[@SKvldlf]

@@ドリフト180X I think it's great so far. I'm looking forward to playing more today.

[@TadashiNazuka]

Value is what its worth to you. Most of my favorite games are 90s Arcade Ports that are less than an hour. But ive played them a thousand times.

[@Patrick-tw7nr]

Same as most of my favorite SNES and PS1 games back in those days were Arcade Ports of fighters, shooters and beat em ups. I never played JRPGs in the 90s or early 2000s. My gaming taste changed when RE1 launched on PS1 and got addicted to the horror genre as there was nothing like it at that time and was hooked immediately

[@TadashiNazuka]

@@Patrick-tw7nr yea Arcade Shooters are my favorite genre from growing up in that era. A Great forgotten genre these days, but my most played on a regular basis because of nostalgia.

[@ClockworkBard]

I can't say I didn't get my money's worth out of Ikaruga. I've dumped tons of hours in it. And there's even more content waiting for me if I eventually beat stage 3.

[@justsayin4632]

😂

[@timculhane625]

I think it's on the playstation store also

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Hahah :)

[@Trustyfilms]

Anytime I don't know what to play, I stick Sonic 2 on. Paid top dollar for it back in the day (four months' pocket money), but boy did I get my money's worth!

[@thelongboarddude95]

Man, your videos are super entertaining and have such a high production value while being somehow refreshing for being relatable. Really happy I found your channel!

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Thank you and I'm really glad that you found the channel as well!

[@TheGunmanChannel]

Bread bag clip gag, and gagging on bananas all in one video now this is one for the ages!!

[@tomsmith3758]

Game length can definitely be daunting the older and busier we get - I really enjoyed the Unicorn Overlord demo and could see myself getting a heck of a lot of enjoyment out of the depth of the systems… IF I had the time. As it goes I couldn’t justify the spend on the full game as I realised I just wouldn’t have the time to commit to mastering them and would most likely never complete it. Settled in for a 3rd playthrough of Metroid Dread instead.

[@SaturmornCarvilli]

Shoot 'em ups are my favorite genre of video game, but a 40hr shmup sounds like torture. I want the game play loop to be about 20-30 minutes to reach the end of it. Any longer and I lose too much concentration and focus to do well. Shmups are all about gameplay density. About 15 minutes of a good shmup feels like a couple of hours in pretty much any other game.

[@leeartlee915]

Yeah but that genre is known for having tons of replay value. So dollar to hours value is pretty high on those games.

[@Dorelaxen]

It kind of depends on my mood. Sometimes, I just want a shorter experience, something that I can finish over a weekend. Other times, I want that open world and no boundaries. Sometimes I just want to start up a Fallout game and wander the wastelands. Other times, a quick little jaunt through a point and click that takes just a few hours to finish.

[@ドリフト180X]

I actually enjoy shorter games, that backlog isn’t getting any smaller if I’m stuck playing the same game for 100 hours. Also there are games I enjoy enough to wanna play again, so again shorter is nice so that way I can go and replay said game again.

[@DrinkyGhost]

This has an interesting tie in with some video's I have seen with emphasis on aging and gaming. Still love games but time is a factor amongst other things in life. Lays bare what we may prioritize when we were 8-12 years old versus our 13-20's and 30's and 40's.

[@chrisjohn85]

I’ve replayed my older jrpg’s several times now. I’ve just come to terms with sleeping less in order to get my gaming done. I’m a night person anyway. However, I’ve recently started ff7 rebirth. With 60 hours of playtime I can honestly say that 50% of my time in that game is spent on game features that I don’t enjoy. Short or long, if a game is enthralling and fun that time is well spent for me. Great vid!

[@ryanrank3070]

I watched this while eating a banana. It's the only way to watch retro bird. But I took the peel off.

[@ianswift3521]

you lack the real monke powers.

[@TravisKershaw]

Love your videos! They bring me joy in a cruel, no bananas world.

[@squidwardtentacles2736]

quick case and point: The original re2 is pretty short, but I've played it countless times. The replay value is quadrupled with 2 characters and the A/B scenarios but it's also just a fun run.

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Yeah, that game is a fantastic package.

[@squidwardtentacles2736]

⁠make a game fun and give them reasons to replay it, including some different experienced or choices and you got yourself a guarantees goods game.

[@originalsleepyjon]

I still play my copy of Final Fantasy Legend 1 that I've owned since childhood. And I play it every year just about still to this day. That's a lot of personal value for a tiny Game Boy cart ❤

[@Totavier]

One thing that I like from the old games aside of the quality and decent length, it's that some of them can leave you with the strange but good feeling that when you re-play it again either sooner or way years later, it feels like you are playing for the first time, no matter if already know everything that you has to do, still has that good feeling. The other day I was talking with someone about it and with some comparisons, when I played both games of the Yooka-Laylee (the 3D and 2D game) while I loved both games, it didn't gave me the feeling or desire to ever re-play again just with one time was enough, contrary to the old games like Banjo-Kazooie and Donkey Kong Country 2, no matter in how many times I beat both games but I always has the desire to play it again in somepoint and when I re-play them, it feels like the first time. And also it happened with other titles too like the first Silent Hill on PS1, Animal Crossing or F-Zero GX on GameCube and LittleBigPlanet or ModNation Racers on PS3.

[@almonster12]

This Retro Bird fellow is a man of the people... the kinda guy you'd like to have a banana with! I find that, for me personally, more hours of gameplay does NOT equal more value. I place a higher value on a game that gets to the point. I've gotten more enjoyment from small $20 indie games like Cuphead than from big $70 AAA titles. Those indie games feel more like the games I loved as a kid.

[@TyGuy9001]

Honestly, you hit the nail on the head with Cuphead. I would've paid $60 at release for that no questions asked. I love games like Cuphead, the indie scene has been killing it for the past 10 years, it's nuts how many good games you'll find for dirt cheap online. I gotta say though, I've NEVER seen anyone eat the skin off of a banana before. That's something else wowza. I can eat a lime, peel and all, so I can relate somewhat. I feel like the only thing you didn't exactly touch on were multiplayer games. Those can have so much value whether online only or in person couch gaming. Some of my favorite games, and the ones I poured years into, are multiplayer ones.

[@panikk2]

This particular brand of comedy just really hits the spot in a way other channels can't

[@benstaude101]

Way to turn a potentially negative subject into a positive video. Well dont banana man 🍌. Still love replaying Super Mario Land on my Gameboy for the very reason you mentioned, it's enjoyable!

[@skycollide5068]

Persona 5 Royal is one of those games I really enjoyed but was so relieved to finish. 118 hours of enjoyment was well worth it. Best bargain was picking up Final Fantasy III at a pawn shop for $6. Something about the cover drew me in as a kid. I didn't know anything about Final Fantasy at the time. One of my top 10 games to this day.

[@tonyp9313]

I quit Persona 5 because it was way too long. To go back & forth to school to your restaurant where he sleeps shouldn't be hours doing that before you go into a said mission. Terrible game.

[@riffcrypt8438]

I legit believe that game is dogsh11t. I spent 15 hours I can never get back and all I got was a childish visual novel with a ever so slight sprinkling of an RPG. As a fan of mainline SMT I was pissed. Never touching Persona again.

[@skycollide5068]

It's a hard one for me to recommend to most people I know. The school part definitely felt like a chore. You just got so little done each day. I ended up enjoying it as a whole. I'm new to SMT and went into this blind. Thought it was a really cool concept. I plan on playing SMT V at some point.

[@milp00l]

Great video on a great topic! I know I’m not the only one when I say I really look forward to your videos each week. I’m still pretty new to the hobby, and I’m so glad I found your channel early on. You’ve truly become a huge part of the hobby for me, giving me valuable insight and perspectives, and always encouraging what I think are healthy attitudes toward playing/collecting video games. All the while being fun and positive. Keep it up, man! 🤙

[@scrub_jay]

When you say new to the hobby you mean collecting or gaming in general?

[@milp00l]

@@scrub_jay kind of both. Played them as a kid in the 90s and early 2000s, then took a 15-ish year break from playing much of anything. Just got back into it over the last couple years, and RB was one of the first channels I found that I actually liked 👍

[@scrub_jay]

@@milp00l Cool, well welcome back to the hobby :) there are some incredible games released in the last 15 years!

[@Riz2336]

The problem with longer games for me is if it's a 20 hour plus game I have no interesting in playing through it again. Whereas shorter games hell yeah I'll play through it many times

[@tonyp9313]

same here

[@AnthonyWabo]

I agree with absolutely everything said in this video INCLUDING the bananas!

[@PabstOban]

There have been only a few games in my vast gaming history that were not short games, and as SOON as I beat them... I beat them a second time. -Final Fantasy - NES -Phantasy Star 2 - Genesis -Dragon Force - Saturn -Chrono Trigger - SNES -Vandal Hearts - PS1 -Dragon Age - PC (Beat this one 3x back to back) -Skyrim - PC -Persona 4 Golden - PC (SUPER long game, and second time through I 100% it) These are games that just were so immersive and I got SOooo into them, I didn't want them to end, and when they did, I was so bummed I just beat them again.

[@leeartlee915]

I bought Chrono Trigger brand new from Toys ‘R Us. Think it was $70 in 1995. Worth every penny.

[@DivisibleByWaffle]

Sometimes, the value of the game is the impact it leaves on you, not just the length or quality of the title itself. Pokemon Red and Blue gave my brother and I something to bond over when we were kids, and the Zelda series sparked my imagination and started my love of high fantasy and adventure genres. Those things are utterly priceless, you know?

[@beanburritos6393]

Just remember: you DO deserve to Donkey Kong!

[@jimsoczka9668]

My sweetie pie n I play through beat em ups all the time cause most are shorter and really fun to play together. On the flip side, I recently made it through POW on nes wich I love but was a very difficult slog. I was relieved to get through it but it'll be a long time before I play it again.

[@mattpotter6758]

Another fantastic video (as always) so much joy on the Banana bits aswell HA!

[@tom_marsden]

I like shorter games because you can start playing them on a whim and easily find the time to complete them. For example, I'm playing BOTW right now (about 30% through) but decided to fire up Super Metroid several days back and was able to complete it in 7 hours or so and it felt great. I probably got more satisfaction from beating shorter game rather than just sinking the equivalent time into progress on a longer one.

[@Galacticglorp40]

im thankful for this content Retro bird, a good laugh and awesome retro games. Thats all i require. It makes a difference.

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Glad to hear it!

[@MrMann-vb6xt]

i think your the best you never look down on any game cause a game can mean alot things to someone. i like deadly towers from the nes. when i beat it i was like finally. it was a game that hated me. for me nes games i played the big name games pretty easy but not this one. got my garage sale $1 worth. still have it. keep up the great content and no foul language used so all can enjoy, thank you for that.

[@PrydaCro]

Great video thumbs up 👍👍👍👍

[@qactustick]

That point you touched on near the end about older games being seen as 'lesser' is something I find a bit disheartening as well when it comes to talking about them. Like there's this perception that's been built up over time that a game arbitrarily loses value just due to the passage of time, and I disagree. I'll often hear people complain about 'full price rereleases' of older titles, and yeah, some of them can be blatant cash grabs if they're games that were probably not worth that price in the first place, but take just about any game developed by Nintendo and they're played and enjoyed by large groups of people basically in perpetuity. I'll die on a hill saying that a game like Super Mario World could still be sold for $60 today because of how much fun there is to be had with it. It's not worth less just because it's over 30 years old.

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Yeah, the way I hear people talking about holder games really disheartens me sometimes too.

[@SkyfallHD36]

Another good video. I play most of my games on and off over time, coming back to a particular game whenever I feel like it. So length has never been an issue for me

[@helicopterjets]

Your videos are a fantastic value!

[@lovelesstv]

i have no idea what Chrono Cross on PS1 is worth and i don't really care. i know that i'm enjoying my first replay since launch, i'm STOKED on getting the story and music through again, and i look forward to NG+. i'l gonna get those party recruitments i missed and enjoying the art once again.

[@TerranKitzmiller]

Appreciate your content. Even tho I was born in 94, I still have a huge appreciation for retro games too, mainly ps1 for me, also added some of your favorites to my collection too, ty for that ❤

[@oasisbeyond]

Love short games, I can play 10 of them a year enjoy them and then play huge games that takes weeks, Months, and kinda glad is over. Hellblade 2 will be 8 hours max? Thank you if awesome, maybe I'll replay it too.

[@HugoBonami]

Uncharted 2 is a more recent game that got the length right for all that you go through. Many Sega arcade games on the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast were, sadly, often too short without any or much additional content for the home port.

[@JohnnyCProduction]

This is something that really hits home. I don’t have the time to really dive in and play a lot of games no so something that is over 100 hours long, I will never be able to really enjoy since I won’t be able to play it at a good pace.

[@markjones7822]

just found your channel and i am loving your videos, laugh out loud funny. keep up the good work

[@courtneyjensen]

One of your best banana scenes.

[@AlonzoRolando]

Anytime DKC is an option for a choice - always DKC.

[@tguit-fiddler5692]

Could we get a behind the scenes video just to see your face immediately following eating that banana, and many more of your "dad stunts"?

[@RetroBirdGaming]

It's usually just me staring like a dufus at the camera to check that I captured it okay :)

[@myvirtualtoyz7338]

Very good points. I've played some of the modern, long, condom games like Skyrim and Batman Arkham series and while I had fun finishing them, I'd only replay them if you pay me. At the same time I love replaying games like the Crash Bandicoot series and various fighting games. It doesn't matter how long is the game but how fun it is and how often you like to come back to it.

[@JMann0614]

New, and really loving the channel, content, and humor. ❤ TY

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Welcome to the channel! Glad to have ya :)

[@NegativeGamer418]

My motto is this, Is the game fun from beginning to end and would you replay it? If the answer is yes, then the game did it's job no matter the semantics surrounding it.

[@tonyp9313]

The shorter the game the more likely you'll replay it vs a longer game.

[@NegativeGamer418]

@@tonyp9313 True, but I can easily replay games like The Witcher 3 even though I've put in over 300 hours into the game, but that's only because the game is awesome to play. It won't be any time soon lol, but still, eventually.

[@lissyvale629]

Star Fox 64 (called Lylat Wars over here) is a game I've consistently enjoyed playing through again and again since childhood. In fact I just played through it again a week ago and enjoyed it immensely even though I didn't beat my earlier records or anything, then three days ago I couldn't help but want to play through it again and I still didn't beat my best record but I was very close and more importantly had a great time yet again. The game is just simply fun to play through and that is what lends it such strong replayability. Even now as I'm typing this I can feel myself wanting to jump into yet another playthrough, so that is what I'm going to go do! ^v^ Awesome video by the way, Retro Bird! Brought back good memories both old and new!

[@Sly88Frye]

I've always been more into the games that don't take as long to play through. There are some longer games I play occasionally but not that many of them. It really just as a matter of whether I have the time to play the longer games and most the time I just don't have the time.

[@thevideogamecabinet3681]

I fully agree with what you said about Tears of the Kingdom around the 9:10 mark. I personally beat the game and put 170 hours into finishing all the side quests. But I am positive most people now (young kids and adults) shove games on the backlog and never finish them.

[@leviwarren6222]

I honestly feel like time spent has a significant impact on the value of a game for the individual. There are plenty of bad games that we've all spent time on that we value. Sometimes we know they are bad games, sometimes we don't, but I don't think that has near as much to do with the value we place on a game as the time we spend playing it.

[@0x44_]

That video had a lot of quality jam packed in. I'm an indie dev this subject weighs on me. I don't wanna include any filler and am thinking about the subject of my multiple planned endings; wondering if they ultimately all just count as a single play-through for my core audience. Will they ever wanna replay the "bad" endings? With 3 endings planned, I'm aiming for 15-20 hours for the first run, but ultimately I do want players to want to replay all 3 again and again. Anyhoo, just thinking out loud. Love your humor and thanks for the content!

[@colt5189]

That would be like waking up to Freddy Krueger every day.

[@TheFakeBenWalker]

I don't understand the context but I like it better because of it

[@catsaregovernmentspies]

Except Freddy is in your dreams, so you would actually go to sleep with him every night, instead.

[@user-pv9pv4xf9c]

Playing MUSHA on normal but with a 0 death challenge is incredible. It's very doable, not impossible, yet still challenging in the perfect way. It's very intense.

[@hyrulegend9786]

Ahh sweet Final Fantasy 4 is my favorite aswell 👏🏻☺️💕Love your videos as always!! Keep up the wonderful work brother!

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Thanks!

[@BKDDY]

1:40 like FF7 Remake. The horrific padding.

[@Wil_Dsense]

Here before Retro Bird made the comment saying what games he is playing. I was just going through the channel, finding any videos I haven't seen yet, and bam! a new video uploaded. I would love to hear your favourite top ten Games for SNES and SEGA Genesis/Mega Drive. Ideas?

[@morganerickson439]

Super Mario Bros. is a VERY short game, but in 1985, when I was just 13, it took me MONTHS and MONTHS to beat it. I frequently put in hours per day, pausing the game and leaving it powered on (no saves, remember?), until I was able to FINALLY beat the game. These days (I'm 51) it takes far less time to get through it because those hours of play helped me learn the gameplay and patterns. Certainly got my money's worth on that one! (Used my paper route money to buy it myself!) Didn't hurt that I didn't have many games to choose from. I was broke, my parents were broke, and rentals were only for a day or 2 when available.

[@danielordonez412]

Listening to Silence of Daylight, Bloody Tears and Monster Dance alternating while going endlessly from left to right and from right to left killing monsters without making any progress has added more value to my life than you can imagine.

[@bananonymouslastname5693]

There's a big divide between the values that players assign games versus collectors and speculators. For me, not just the play time, but the quality of the experience and the memories that it both gives and that become associated with the game comprise its value. Some games I've only played through once or twice, but have left such an impression that I hold them in higher regard than games I've spent far more hours playing. Conversely, collectors and speculators tend to place more stock in provenance, potential monetary appreciation, and difficulty to obtain, especially to complete sets. The time value becomes about the time spent hunting instead of playing. The monetary value becomes about either how it may grow or how easy it will be to flip, and the memories about the acquisition, sale, and perhaps meeting people along the way or spending time at conventions or swap meets. I used to base my buying decisions on price risk- if a game was only a buck or two, how hard is it to get a dollar's worth of fun out of a game? Every once in awhile, I still do, but over the decades, especially as the internet suddenly became available in the palms of our hands, I tend to be a little more careful to research what I will buy, even if it's cheap. I'm not a reseller, so I want not just a low monetary price, but I want the time spent to provide the best fun I can get.

[@koolaid33]

I think both are equally important. Longer games may not be as consistently quality as a shorter title, but just in general they do typically have more content, regardless if you saw all of it or not, the time spent making it or whether or not you relegate it to your backlog. Something like Red Dead Redemption 2 just has more content than Super Mario 64 will, though that isn't to say SM64 is worse or better than RDR2 for this, it's to say that they are obviously different experiences. A big open world with tons of missions, side quests, collectibles, skill trees and other things to do is hard to compare to a linear game made 20 years ago, with less collectibles and content overall, a smaller budget and a smaller development window. I don't think either is really 'bad' or 'not worth it' because of the length of the content, unless the game is like 30 minutes long and $50, then I'm going right over it because no game I can beat on my lunch break twice deserves to receive anything more than $15. Regardless, I just feel this comparison isn't very just. I'm sure those older consoles would output bigger & longer experiences if the developers had more power, funds & time to make it how they envisioned, and hell there are older titles that are still some of the longest games around, the one that comes to my mind on the spot is Shenmue 1 & 2 on the Dreamcast & later the Xbox. The restraints stopped them from fully realizing their ideas, but now those restraints don't exist anymore. Deadlines are no longer so strict, budgets are bigger, teams are bigger, hardware is very powerful now, & newer formats like the recent disc discovery that could let you store multiple terabytes of data on a single disc, VR headsets & mobile phone gaming have given developers more opportunities than ever to make a game how they want it. So to loop it back around, I hold the opinion that they can exist in tandem, older & newer titles being different is just the ways of the times. The same movies that flew in the 1950s were not flying in the 1980s, & those 80s movies are not flying today.

[@daltonoakleyjr391]

A link to the past and Ocarina of Time are perfect examples of high replay value vs Tears of the kingdom . Short and divided up into 2 halves versus an open world with too many side requests

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Yeah, those are a couple of my favorite games to replay.

[@GameplayandTalk]

I do prefer shorter experiences that get me wanting to come back again and again, versus a long experience I only want to play once. However, I do like to mix things up by tossing in some longer modern games in particular (most recently, Elden Ring, the other Souls games, and now Tears of the Kingdom).

[@RetroBirdGaming]

Sounds like we actually have pretty similar taste. The games you mentioned are all some of my favorite modern games :)

[@ushbag]

I re-play Mike Tyson’s Punch Out all the time because it’s still fun for me.

[@derpnooner]

I spend the most time on games that have quick pickup-and-play design. Fighting games, puzzle, and racing. I have young kids, so hour+ sessions are hard for me to muster. It’s kind of funny looking at my Steam playtimes and seeing 100+ hours on games that I play 15 minutes at a time. Short, sweet, get my fix in small, but regular intervals. 40 year old gamer problems

[@richfutrell753]

I'm just gonna say it. Where does this weird accent come from? "Dankey Kang Can-Tree" "Haspitalized" "Saw-nic" "Rayman-iss an tha tame ya hayad with it" "Gash, ya knoo, I doon't have anything ta play right nayow" This is definitely rust belt...VERY close to Canada...Wisconson?

[@RetroBirdGaming]

It's actually just how my younger cousin and I would always talk when we'd be joking around (which was constant). We grew up in California :)

[@RhetticusRex]

Thanks, Man. As AVGN's Neighbor Nerds teaches us, it's okay to be happy. Last dinner I had a single ordinary salted tomato segment, that I kid you not, was as intense as a foot massage, but blink and you'd miss it.

[@mhans311]

7:17 I gotta admit that caught me by surprise. Now THAT'S commitment.

[@michaellentner9141]

I had a copy of roadkill for gamecube growing up, not a very long story, but i had more fun replaying that game than much longer bigger games

[@TimewornUncle]

In my experience. I think the best amount to pay for a new video game is about 1 dollar for every 1 hour it takes to 100% the game on the first playthrough. That means Breath of the Wild, which took me 125 hours to 100% on my first playthrough, only cost $60. I real bargain. (I did not feel like it was padded with fluff.)

[@itsjustagamechannel]

Being that I’m not a completionist, and play games more to experience them, rather than to beat them, I’m definitely a fan of shorter games. Then if and when I beat the game, it’s a reason to celebrate 🎉

[@diegoparga9324]

I think the Hitman trilogy is quite a good bang for the buck. I bought the 3 games and some dlc and needed nothing else to play for five years or so.

[@johnathanrhoades7751]

I just picked up Dragon Quest 5 as a phone port. It’s so good! Retro games definitely still have a place for sure.

[@moonstone9292]

So its not the length of the game that matters, but how you use it?

[@anthonye81]

The closing point about game duration being more quantifiable than “quality” (fun factor, etc) is spot-on. It’s just too subjective, assuming the game is actually competent and not broken. Before online demos and magazine cover demo discs, we had to rely on magazine reviews. Back then, promos for games would boast about number of levels, or how many megabits of data the cartridge had, but these had no bearing on how much fun they were to play.

[@MrWrightWay]

Pause menu music!!! LOVE IT!! Lol