The problem with Project L's official name (2XKO)

[@IANDURBECK]

Project L Name. Its like they predicted this

[@reillocb]

I think they should just call it double knockout. League of Legends: Double Knockout sounds pretty good, and we can ironically abbreviate it with 2xko if we wanna

[@MangaGamified]

2XKO Knock-up Twice to win. 🤰

[@novikovPrinciple]

I've had enough time to consider that _League of Legends: X-treme Desperation_ or _League of Legends: Legendary Matches in the Arena of Opposition_ would have maximized the stupidity AND had better acronyms than "2 X K O".

[@silverdededestruction2197]

funny ass acronyms but they still work better than the actual name

[@themainkeef]

LMAO XD

[@TheSaival]

KO LEAGUE. KOL. Pretty cool name, huh? Riot hire me please.

[@raideranimator6091]

KNOCK OUT LEAGUE REFERENCE!?

[@JustAKonchu]

I for one am excited to play dos equis

[@darcmatter7560]

Not to be confused with Dos Equis

[@LumaSloth]

Wot

[@kuulkid9547]

great editing, I hope your youtube channel thrives!

[@kirbles2035]

I have two defenses for the title: 1. They want this game to stand on it's own, so putting League in the title would impede that 2. I think I know why they went with 2XKO, and if I'm correct, kind of experimental. Everyone abbreviates League of Legends to "LoL", my theory, is that they're going ahead of the curve by just making the title an abbreviation. Only problem is it sucks to say since it's a clunky 4 syllables, but I do prefer the name over "League of legends: [subtitle here]". Edit: Looking back on it I realized a bigger problem with this new name: 2XKO is one syllable longer than Project L, so it takes longer, and if it kept the name Project L, I guarantee you people would've shortened it to either "L" or "PL". Overall, dumb name, they should change it. One name I like was "Double K.O." with the acronym being "2KO"

[@MenaceLendil]

The first one doesn't make sense, if they wanted it to "stand on it's own" why use the IP at all, the game already uses the characters. That ship has set sail long ago.

[@LOL-gn5oh]

I think abbreviations should be an organic process created by the community, not something imposed by corpos.

[@Synest2]

Because that way, having a different name and using the League IP, if people really like the game they can go after the source material on their own, without feeling "forced" to know League beforehand to enjoy the fighting game, the same way some people watched and loved Arcane and then went on to play League of Legends... By having LoL on the name, people would think the game requires prior knowledge to be enjoyed, I wrote a long ass comment on this video explaining that on further detail... but in short, they don't want a new IP, they want to expand the League IP but in a more healthier way, not bringing the prejudice that League suffers because of it's toxic community or the feeling that it's a game only for League players, and not one that everyone can just sit and enjoy (like with Arcane, where a ton of people who didn't even liked League watched the show and loved it).

[@kirbles2035]

Big thing I didn't mention is before 2XKO, the devs did another game called rising thunder. They were bought out by Riot, and ever since they've been working on this. Regardless of the LoL license, this is a game they've wanted to make.

[@silverdededestruction2197]

The name still sucks, it's not even reaching the dumb names of some games like Blazblue, Guilty Gear, Melty Blood, Under Night, etc. The difference between all these games and 2XKO is that 2XKO is just directly referring to a game mechanic. Guilty Gear, Blazblue, Melty Blood, and Under Night all, even loosely, refer to something relevant to the story of the game. The Guilty Gear is Sol Badguy, the Blazblue refers to the power that Ragna Bloodedge wields, Melty Blood is loosely in reference to how it's a story involving vampires, Under Night refers to the Hollow Night and In-Birth refers specific individuals you can play as in the game. Street Fighter's many locales you combat in take place in the streets of any country. Tekken is the old word for "Iron Fist". Soul Calibur refers to the actual weapon that was meant to combat the Soul Edge. Arcana Heart can be connected to the main protagonist and the fact that they utilize Arcana's. Mortal Kombat. Skullgirls refers to mainly Marie and every woman who wished upon the skullheart. 2XKO is going to have to hamfist something to expllain the 2XKO in a non-mechanics way, and it already shat itself in the ass

[@NigelMelanisticSmith]

Watching this a month later, and I had already forgot the official name lol

[@_Adie]

That's the type of name Shun'ei would make up

[@Eidlones]

It's not a marketable name at all. It doesn't roll off the tongue, it tells you nothing about what the actual game is about (Or that it's even a game, someone who doesn't know, could think it's a new computer mouse or something), and it sounds like the development name. It's like if they called Mortal Kombat, RBBLK (right bumper block)

[@AshZucchini8168]

1:25 there’s this youtuber named Graeldon who is playing every single sfw steam game in alphabetical order, and he hasn’t gotten to 2 yet. So. That’s who they’d be targeting with that. Also ftr League isn’t the first MOBA to do this for whatever reason. Smite has a a 3D Platform Fighter spinoff called Divine Knockout, with no reference to Smite in the title despite the characters clearly being chibi versions of the exact same designs for the gods used in Smite and both being by Hi-Rez

[@flowchartkenYT]

I agree with all your points but I think their goal is to be separate from league of legends and let the game stand on its own. All of their separate league ip games have unrelated names like legends of runeterra and team fight tactics. Still a weird choice and weird name. Great video 👍

[@GrayCatbird1]

It seems to me Riot is very deliberately trying to avoid explicit associations between its spinoff projects and LoL. The same can be said of Arcane, it has the league logo but it’s rather secondary. I think the logic is that they’re trying to reach a significantly broader audience than og players, one that knows nothing of League (or even have negative preconceptions about it).

[@avgfgcfan]

my theory for the name of the game is that the higher-ups have a syllable capacity that they need to fulfill for all of League of Legends projects (ie. teamfight tactics) 2xko fits both the syllable count while also somewhat being recognizable as a fighting game title. the problem with it though is that it's a generic title

[@shadowmaksim]

Part of me is wondering if the name is more of an attempt to take advantage of search algorithms or something. Like, by having it start with "2", it's automatically going to be placed near the top of alphabetical search results. Stuff kinda-sorta like that. Though really, this is nothing new weirdly enough. "Hextech Mayhem" and "Conv/rgence" are both "LoL" spin-offs but they don't directly contain the name. Well, they kinda do but more of an off-hand subtitle, "X: A League of Legends Story". Thinking about it, there also was "Arcane" that was treated similarly. So I wouldn't be surprised if the final/full title would be something like "2XKO" followed by a subtitle with "LoL" in it.

[@njun8375]

Honestly, i dont hate the name 2XKO as a subheader (like how others are "IP name - Subname", so making it something like "League 2XKO" sounds 'leagues' better than before

[@GUSYROSA-qj2pk]

I really can’t understand how did they decided on that name and went with it.

[@devastatheseeker9967]

So guys are you all excited to play *PROJECT L* when it comes out?

[@NoNsToPxs]

Wish it was not tag game, I will try it, but probably gonna drop it after a week or two

[@devastatheseeker9967]

@@NoNsToPxs why? What makes it being a tag fighter worse?

[@NoNsToPxs]

@@devastatheseeker9967 not worse, I just don't like tag fighters

[@devastatheseeker9967]

@@NoNsToPxs ...that means you think tag fighters are worse...

[@NoNsToPxs]

@@devastatheseeker9967 it means I don't like it, it doesn't mean they are bad

[@hoshi314]

the true test of the name for me if this game somehow won Fighting game of the year award, imagine geoff keighley trying to say the title only to stutter and stutter again, that is why i call this name stupid. People outside the league fans and FG fans are gonna stutter horribly

[@sodathejunker]

Still hype as ever for the game I just have no idea why the official name is a damn acronym. Literally calling it LoL: Double Knockout or Dual Cross Knock Out or something to that effect would be more memorable. Things like MVC and VSAV and UNIB and BBTAG work because the community gave them those nicknames affectionately. Totally different energy.

[@DaftSheep]

They could change it now. Remember: Square was calling "FF15" "FF13 Versus" for years before changing it a year or so before release.

[@Raynfgc]

the editing in this video is awesome holy also the fact they have such a short 4 letter word be such a mouthful to say is not good, regardless people will still play a ton of this game even if they named it 2xkc3p0101cmeio

[@kacecrimson8297]

I honesltly though it was trying to remind me im not living to 3000

[@Synest2]

I despise the name 2XKO, but I disagree with your opinion on this video I think that with Riot Forge they noticed a overwhelming majority of players were League players, and they were quite niche, Project L is not supposed to be a small, indie title, they're aiming for something big, hence don't want people not playing it because it has league of legends in the name, they want to bring new people, for the game to stand on it's own and then if the player wants it, it's up to him to go after the source material, it's not like they're hiding it's a League related game either... I mentioned Riot Forge because when recommending "Ruined King - A League Of Legends Story" to my friends (which I think is a pretty amazing game btw), what I heard the most is "it looks fun but I don't know shit about League", searched for people's opinions about the and seen the same comment being repeated online quite a lot, and I guess Riot doesn't want that. It's the same reason why companies sometimes reboot or remake a series instead of making a sequel, very few players that are new to a series are going to play "Somewhat known but not wildly popular game 2" because they're afraid that not having played the first game may impact their story understanding or their experience in general with the game, and not all of them are willing to play the first game because the second one looks amazing, so rebooting it allows for new people to discover the franchise... When NieR Automata released for example, being already in the NieR community for a long time, I've seen countless posts of people asking "I've never played Replicant (first NieR game), is it ok for me to start on Automata?" Arcane is another thing to think about, do you think it would have had the same amount of success had Riot names it "League of Legends: Arcane"? League has its niche but it has a pretty bad reputation for people who have not played it, so most people would have likely skipped it, and like I mentioned before, if you search for it, you'll find quite a lot of people who watched Arcane and wanted to get into League asking for tips on Reddit, Discord, even Facebook groups... They do not hide the fact it's based on League of Legends, but by not sharing it's name, you don't create that sense of being "forced" to know the source material to enjoy it's successor. So in short, they want to expand the League of Legends brand but at the same time they want the shows and the other games to be something different, something that people can enjoy without feeling "forced" to get involved in the MOBA part of League, and I do expect that Project F and that the MMO will also not have "League of Legends" in it's name

[@NoNsToPxs]

Tag game + name I can't even remember. It's like riot wants me not to play their game

[@Stammer6]

It's also awkward to say and doesn't abbreviate into something recognizable. It probably matters a lot more than we'd think, too. I've noticed more and more how important marketing is to a video game's performance, and having something that rolls off the tongue, even if it's a fan-made name like "Mahvel" is super important. Even League itself. People can just say "League" or "LoL" or pronounce it "lawl". Either way it has a flow to it. People are going to associate a clunky name as a clunky game.

[@conradojavier7547]

put a subtitle " a League Fighting Game".

[@KeluargaDesa-sb6qo]

Could you try reviewing the Yakuza series after this? Its gonna be a blast

[@Theheartless99]

Another great video

[@topocart4753]

My biggest issue with the name is its readability. It's not easy to read or pronounce, and you can't even abbreviate it since it's already an abbreviation. There are some wacky fighting game names out there, but the community is able to shorten it (e.g: Under Night In Birth -> UNI). 2XKO is just a mouthful.

[@ajahfool5892]

Yo this video is fire

[@Venzynt]

I can accept 2XKO in the same vein as UMVC3. UMVC3 at least stands for something and makes sense tho lol

[@KhrailGaming]

Name is fine.

[@PaganPilot]

If your *fighting game's name* sounds more like a *fighting game tournament,* you're doing something wrong.

[@houyo]

This is Riot's fault for retconning the League of Legends out of the League of Legends lore. Now their biggest brand aspect, the name of what was once the literal most popular game in the world, makes no sense and can't easily be slapped onto spinoffs. Like how all the spinoff league games are just completely new names like Legends of Runterra, Arcane, or Wild Rift. I'M STILL MAD ABOUT THE LEAGUE!

[@thecolor3]

They dont need to have league of legends in the title, but using a keystone or something would make the name much smoother without it being LoL: the fighting game. (Lethal Tempo, Press the Attack, Fleet Footwork, Grasp of the Undying, etc.)

[@zerdodylan]

me looking up yasuo lethal tempo gameplay

[@symphonixblades]

​@@zerdodylanand not finding anything related to a fighting game XD

[@santiagorodriguezfrancisco5658]

Let's be honest, also people are thinking is a REALLY generic name, but for me I don't really care let's remember mortal Kombat and street fighter are also generic title

[@DryAgedMignon]

Weird name choice but they might pull in characters from other ips

[@JoThNoMi]

Honestly, not associating the name with lol is fine by me. Especially knowing lol bad reputation...

[@darcmatter7560]

It could've been Lethal Tempo

[@Nersius]

Balance, HR, Naming: Rito Gaim's Trifecta of Awful.

[@irlShively]

They could just call it double kill, like in league

[@andrewstickadius4333]

I would rather called it Project L or League Of Legends In-Arm instead of 2XKO

[@AngrySilencer]

I'll probably just call the game "Double KO" or "Project L". 2XKO is not very convenient in conversations... four syllables and all of them vastly different from one another. It's like saying four words.

[@Reapxrsmind]

You should play a game called killer instinct I think you'll like it i think🙃

[@E_van714]

I would have used some sort of league of legends reference. Would have helped sales

[@numa2k147]

Don't worry about sales.

[@zerdodylan]

thats the exact opposite of what they want they want it to stand on its own, AND distance it from league there is a stigma around league that makes normal people tend to not interact with anything related to it

[@askbruce.4318]

sales for a free game?

[@sanimonz1831]

@@zerdodylan "stand on its own" uses the same character that are in LoL. why do people make this point it makes zero sense

[@zerdodylan]

@@sanimonz1831 Stand on its own as in they don’t want it to just be a league spinoff. Riot Draggles confirmed on Reddit a bit back that they want it to be a “forever fighting game,” and that they do want to expand on the league universe. They do want to use the incredible IP they already have. They don’t want it to have “League of Legends” in the subtitle to become and stay a popular game. That’s what I mean by stand on its own.

[@xdr22]

KOLeague

[@ahorseofcourse7283]

2XKO is awful and generic, but if they want to lean into the double knockout thing AND strengthen the tie to LoL, they should call it League of Legends Proudly Presents Double Impact: Legendary Domination Offensive. Riot fans would absolutely love to get their hands on LOL PP DILDO.

[@E_van714]

I'm gonna call it "battle for the grid 2 high budget edition". Lol

[@user-RachelAlucard]

How does this name related to league😂

[@LOL-gn5oh]

Man, even a lazy name like "League of Fighters" would be better.

[@guesta9822]

Call it League of Fighters.

[@Nemesis_T_Type]

Terrible name. It doesn't even roll off the tongue. Riot could've just named it League Fighters but they over think it.

[@gc3k]

I'm not too bothered by the name but the logo is is lazy and thoughtless

[@PollutersInc]

L name.

[@Horchata256]

Nah bro, I don't like it cause I lilke hating on Riot.

[@numa2k147]

People are complaining for no reasons. Not trying to be mean but you can play SF6, T8, SSBU, MK1 KOF, LoL, or any other of those acronyms. Also don't worry about a corporation's sale fam, they have the budget to market the game, as long as it's good, we're good.

[@dziewiaty]

You know these are not actual names, right?