The Problem with (some) Retro Gamers

[@Larry]

I 100% guarantee that if Sony/Nintendo/Sega were still making iterations of their older consoles, they would ALL be emulation based machines by now. All the mini consoles used emulation, and even Sony themselves moved from hardware to software to play PS2 games on the PS3 from the second edition. Plus emulation does improve on the original hardware, look at how Swan/Duckstation improves on the PS1, removing the polygon folding issue every single game had, and even upscaling all images to 4K. And have you tried playing on a Nintendo 64 lately? Games like Doom 64 are so blurry, they're borderline impossible to play now.

[@TheWarmotor]

The mini consoles seem to have input/audio lag considerably worse than even a first-gen Raspberry Pi. I wonder if this was an effort to maintain the value of gaming on old hardware for brand reasons, or an excuse to use the cheapest possible parts in what they consider a throw-away novelty? Either way it's a pretty crappy thing to do to fans and paying customers.

[@Mrnotpib]

It does not matter how small of a following you have i swear, Guru Larry will still find you. He is only ever getting closer every time you don’t move.

[@edmundblackadder2741]

HELLO YOU

[@UnknownZ3bra]

@@Larry hope you're doing good larry

[@Larry]

@@TheWarmotor The PS1 mini especially cheaped out on hardware, to the point Ridge Racer ran better on a SNES Mini!

[@benstein7506]

I'm glad that someone out there is finally challenging the notion that the experience of playing a game via an emulator is fundamentally different than original hardware; if anything, this notion just demonstrates a lack of insight behind how emulators work, and the idea that emulation is inherently inaccurate to original hardware is perpetuated by people who base this notion on the state of emulation 20+ years ago...

[@greenmachine5487]

Exactly. I have been emulating for over 20 years, it used to be very buggy and have serious latency issues. Nowdays, the 8 and 16 bit emulators are perfected. N64 is still buggy.

[@ArcadeCabNBud]

Beautiful 8 and 16 bits, emulated wonderfully, makes me smile​@@greenmachine5487

[@AndroidM8]

All that fuss over a games they'll probably only play once or twice just to keep chasing the dragon lmfao. Emulation is fine boys.

[@terminateshere]

Wonder if the puritans are bashing emulation to maximise the value of their own collections?

[@TheWarmotor]

If you'd spent thousands of dollars lovingly curing a collection, you would probably not feel great about a $40 SBC that can play every game on the shelf with per-cycle accuracy. It'd be like building a hot rod in the garage and then Elon starts selling a chewing gum that grants the ability to fly like Superman. Wah wah waaaaahhhh....

[@Kevinwoolford123]

@@TheWarmotor The person building the hot rod isnt doing it to be the fastest or the best tho..they do it for the passion and the sound and feel of the car otherwise we would all drive tesla with was faster 0-60s. people should just do what they enjoy without others giving an opinion on it as it has nothing to do with them what they do and dont spend the cash on. its about the games and having fun vs collecting and spending 10k on a sealed mario game to boast about it lol

[@TheWarmotor]

@@Kevinwoolford123 Agreed!

[@GTV-Japan]

The often heard phrase “I don’t mind repro carts but they should say very clearly ‘this is a reproduction!!!’ tells me all I need to know. Ditto boxes! Maybe that’s even worse..

[@rashira9610]

Yes. That and coping with how much they spent and how much of their identity is wrapped up in spending way too much money on games you used to be a le to buy for $5 at a garage sale.

[@cabbusses]

One of the unfortunate paradoxes of the Satellaview is that it's one case where it's simultaneously true that nothing runs on real hardware anymore so you need an emulator, AND that the emulation quality of Satellaview is subpar. I hate being that guy stuck on the fringe cases sometimes.

[@TheWarmotor]

I keep a complete ROM library of every game possible up to PS1/N64 with artwork and synopsis et al. My gaming hardware of choice is a Pi3b+, paired with a really nice 27" CRT and an ugly but comfortable chair in my sitting room. I'd challenge anyone to sit down and pick up the 8bitDo SN30pro wired controller, played on the CRT, and take the pepsi challenge with any of the hundreds of old carts sitting on my display shelf. You are so spot on here, I'm glad someone finally said this.

[@dodgykebaab]

Ugly but comfortable chairs are underrated

[@craftersshaft]

youtube recommended me this and Oh My God Someone's Finally Saying It!!! the complaints about accuracy always feel like such a non-issue, pretty much every console before the 90s has been figured out and most big titles people want to gravitate towards run flawlessly, and i feel like these tweaks/expenses should only be crossed if you absolutely need to (speedrunning accuracy, hardware and peripherals that haven't been emulated, or games that run poorly, etc but no disrespect to any of the devs actually workin on cool features like that or people collecting that hardware!!) 1:34 apparently there is just a slight difference between using FCEUX and actual hardware in terms of speedruns for smb1, something about a frame of lag being gone, and thankfully most nes emulators including Mesen let you define a custom palette if you prefer more hardware accurate colors or prefer the tones of older emulators genuine hardware is cool and i like being able to boot up old random carts with the controllers the consoles came with, emulation is cool and i like the options/controller variety and not having to deal with having 100 systems plugged in at once, there's genuine use cases for both but i feel like this shouldn't be as big of an argument point as it is/as it's made out to be unless it's absolutely necessary/recommended by fans to just Skip That Version even if i dont feel as strongly about the arguments for/against emulation vs real hardware, this is still satisfying to hear because i think both ways of playing are completely valid, sometimes it's really fun to see just how overkill you can get original hardware to perform or even just casually play it with a cheap converter, sometimes it's fun to just run it on a pc and experience these old and still really fun games for the first time, and 5:24 points out the only thing i've never seen emulated properly that i think makes sense to get

[@dodgykebaab]

Pinned!

[@dava00007]

I came to therms with retro emulation, sold my collection and used to money for a down payment on a nice car.

[@dodgykebaab]

I did something very similar

[@Melsharpe95]

Emulators these days can have shaders that mimic original hardware graphics so perfectly you 'd think you were playing on an old crt. Plus those glorious fan translation roms...

[@dodgykebaab]

Fan translations are fantastic

[@PancakeDev]

The main problem with emulation is just guaranteeing a flawless preservation of the original experience, which usually comes down to details in specific games. It's a fool's errand in most cases and it's something reserved to perfectionists with ocd, not most people. It's hard to make an old game play and look the absolute best, but most people don't mind what the absolute best is.

[@TheWarmotor]

True, but a Pi on a CRT is 99.9% indistinguishable from the real thing and an actual NES going through an upscaler to a 4k TV does not look or play anything like the original. I think people get hung up on buying $500 carts and overlooking the $50 CRT.

[@Kevinwoolford123]

@@TheWarmotor on a tink4k and a good oled you can simulate any type of crt you want. I love the basic trinitron setup its beautiful and makes the retro games blurry and just as i want. i want the art to blend and become images not have giant pixels all over. it does look amazing as do crt screen but as with them no screens are the same, a random knockoff korean crt isnt as good as a trinitron and a trinitron doesnt look like a sanyo or b&o and no with the massivly aging caps all the screen unless refurbished dont look like themselves either lol im after a nice 20" trinitron at the moment myself so have to keep checking the tip and im not paying 150 quid for something that may last a month lol

[@GeordiLaForgery]

Imagine how many doner kebabs a man could eat for the price of a retro tink and a pal copy of ecco the blobfish.

[@yashizuko]

I needed some good ol "bring them back to real life" from dodgy today

[@fatyoshi1456]

To be fair, PS2, Gamcube and Xbox games (and maybe dreamcast i dont know) did support 60hz with pal consoles. I have a pal PS2 and Gamecube and all of the games i've tried have the option to use 60hz, some Gamecube games require you to hold B when you start them the first time but will prompt you every other time, and PS2 games have it as an option when selecting a language, but even if you use 50hz the speed will still match up with NTSC even at 55/25 fps

[@Krunkeridleios]

Hey dodgy! Maybe an old weird question, Why did you stop with the private server videos. I personally never noticed a difference between them today nor do I play on them. But you were fucking huge on the scene

[@dodgykebaab]

Cheers dude, but I just got bored of WoW and found I was doing the videos for views and not fun. So my choice was continue on making videos which got good views but not enjoy it; or nuke my view count and make videos for fun again! I choose the 2nd option! Also you can still see all the old WoW videos in a playlist shown on my main channel page

[@GTV-Japan]

Emulation is the way! Absolutely free! And you don’t have a room full of aging, depreciating plastic that nobody will ever care about!

[@dodgykebaab]

Apart from Densha da Go! PS1 controllers, we should hold on to them!

[@GTV-Japan]

@@dodgykebaabps I’m eating your namesake for lunch today !

[@davekendall5273]

Authentic controls can make a big difference to the experience. No modern keyboard can replicate the nostalgic misery of a spongy rubber ZX Spectrum. It does feel a bit like cheating using a modern controller, rather than my half broken 80s joystick with a button that kept on getting stuck down.

[@jodyjohnson265]

This is exactly why i am a video game pirate

[@KudaGaming83]

I know a retro steamer that says: “If you emulate games and beat it one, your victory is also emulated”. What a dumb reasoning.

[@simonebernacchia]

while real hardware might be required when developing retro games, for all other cases emulation is fine

[@michaelparker2449]

For 99.99% of games I'd be happy to use an emulator, but for those fast paced platformers the lag can completely ruin the experience so i prefer original hardware and a CRT

[@StudioBadGuy]

I'm over here emulating retro games at 240p on my Wii on my late 90s Sansui CRT. what a flawless experience 😜. Life is too short, just enjoy your games.

[@szneka12]

Corksniffer cultists are the bane of every hobby

[@MRSTU1210]

ruffling feathers again 😂

[@dodgykebaab]

That's how I roll

[@RickyMakesBadVideos]

I wasted far too much money on Cisco Heat in Kings Arcade. Thanks for reminding me.

[@dodgykebaab]

No worries! Also RIP Kings Arcade

[@zyndrolith]

man i too would love to play every game that im a fan of on it’s original hardware, but with the state of the retro game market it’s not worth it at ALL.

[@TheGodOfAllThatWas]

Your overarching point about playing via emulation being a legitimate way to experiance old games is very valid and people should remember before they speak. I think your examples of the claims that are made are in the same wheel house of the claims that are actually made (N64 controllers, 3fps, etc). Some are more valid then others, but it always boils down to: "There are some nuances that emulation doesn't quite nail, typically so the overall experience is 'better', It's hard to get everyone to agree on what's 'better', just try to keep that in mind." To some degree I think that applies to your points too. Part of the reason for pricing to go up is people trying to hold on to a piece of their childhood that they lost, and as long as they aren't doing that for greed I don't think we should be too negative toward them either.

[@LevitatingCups]

only tru words, play how you want to play, only sometimes it causes a bit of latency issues on controller, but that usually can be mitigated

[@Demandy]

It’s a travesty you don’t have more views 😂

[@EIirium]

Smash the like button so he gets blessed by the KZbin algorithm

[@moversti92]

Real. But maybe the algorithm doesn’t like his channel because of the private server background.

[@RAHelllord]

I use both hardware and emulation extensively because both have their charm, and occasionally the emulation is still hot garbage. I like having different controllers for different games, or play game boy games on actual gameboys, limitations of the original hardware included. However emulation is also incredibly convenient and I'm not about to bring a SNES with me when traveling when I can just bring my laptop and a controller instead. Also, the RT4K's entire purpose is actually to get an almost perfect image as a baseline only, and then apply CRT shaders to the signal so it looks like you're playing on a 40" CRT TV instead a 22" CRT from across the room. I have the previous one, the 5x Pro and that thing is really good to play my older consoles on my modern TV. Both because it gets a clean signal and then applies a nice shader to make it look damn close to what I remember from my childhood, but also because that thing actually correctly reads the signal so the color space is correct and the latency is lower. I actually tried playing my consoles directly on the TV and that was awful, same cables but the colors were wrong, a lot of noise present, and the picture latency was so high (even with gaming mode enabled) that Mario only jumped on screen after I already let go of the jump button again. The 5x actually has him jump when I press the damn button and not after. The 4k in comparison does the same, slightly better calibration to the signal, and then allows 4k filters to leverage the larger amount of pixels for better effects, as well as cleaner scaling of 480p and 720p content since those are clean integer scales at 4k. But definitely not everyone needs one. And especially nobody needs graded games, flashcarts are a thing for christ's sake. They even allow playing translations and romhacks! Also about the n64 controller thing, I thought I was having an aneurysm trying to play ocarina of time on an Xbox controller, the layout is just so bad. Thankfully modern n64 controllers that work with PC or real hardware are cheap and good and I highly recommend getting one of those for people that like the N64. They feel so much better, both compared to modern controller layouts and the original one.

[@DarkwyndPT]

I like to play retro PC games, and when it comes to playing DOS games, I use DosBox and ScummVM. There are still people who argue that it's not the same as playing on an actual retro PC machine. I play my old PC games using DosBox/ScummVM, and I don't see any difference.

[@Kevinwoolford123]

pc games are a whole different beast as with arcade games on windows pcs are EXACTLY the same on windows 11 lol its def the same experience for sure so you game on bro

[@erikkarsies4851]

With some games PCem (or 86box) gives more the old pc user experience, but off course DosBox an ScummVM are fine too.

[@marcinflisak317]

I buy retro consoles because I am more interested in the hardware than games. I want to study the hardware so I can try programming for it. I also have no problem with using a flash cart.

[@creechrfeechr8094]

It's absolutely amazing what a Reddit community can convince itself to spend.

[@burprobrox9134]

You’re silly, those “authentic” and “rated” high priced games are a money laundering scheme. Guy buys game for $200 then flips it for a grand, $800 cleaner

[@Rillant]

I used to be a believer of hardware only as a better experience for GB/GBC/GBA. Until the Anbernic RG35XX SP came out. Using shaders and overlays I can get the screen to look exactly like my real hardware, but with a back lit screen. The form factor feels exactly like my original GBA SP. I'm never going back!!

[@90sNath]

2:37 technically legally you still have to do that to emulate... so they probbaly are thinking "just put the roms on real hardware, problem solved"

[@JustJame_]

People don't want to play retro games, they want to play with their memories. I do like the original console look over the cleaned emulator but luckily the shaders and filters in emulators are good at recreating that feeling of having a console hooked up to an old Bush TV that was in my bedroom. I wish companies added more shaders and filters in their classic games that recreate that old CRT TV/RF look and not just shitty scanlines.

[@nines_tv]

Agreed. Emulation is good enough, the original controllers were functional and we loved them because they were super durable, but any modern controller is much more comfortable nowadays. I love the look of the NES controller but those sharp edges were real, the 3rd party market existed for a reason. The only real difference in playing in OG hardware is no "Save States" but you had ways to cheat back then too with Game Genie for example. So how much you can get from *Emulation* comes mostly from how you approach it.

[@Kevinwoolford123]

Nes pad was perfection and never as a child or adult did i find it sharp lol neo cd pad was peak perfection for fighters as was the mk2 saturn pad and before you say buy the bluetooth modern neo cd pad and saturn...i did and they are nowhere near the same in feel or accuracy

[@nines_tv]

​@@Kevinwoolford123 I get what you are saying but you are clearly biased, your channel is all about collecting this stuff. For each it's own, I respect your PoV, but the NES controller was never ergonomic and I don't agree its the pinnacle in any technology. They were very durable, I'll give you that, you could throw them away hard and nothing will happen. I can say though, that I don't need an original NES controller to get to experience Mario Bros, but if you do, more power to you. Regarding Neo Geo, idk, that stuff was unaffordable back in the day unless you were rich, but its well known that wired controllers > wireless so I'll take your word on that.

[@Kevinwoolford123]

@nines_tv I'm a gamer not a collector i don't buy tat only what I will play 😊 no bias at all 😎 nes and famicom are my fav system of all time but the neocd pad is god tier. Never had one growing up but now i have a cdz, 2x mvs and 2x aes 😅 the pad did come out on ps2 also and is incredibly good

[@johnrussell8086]

I love both real hardware and emulation. I'll buy something I love only if it's something I will always pick up and play, Sega Rally for example. I have a retron five which is emulation but I have the option of cartridge and SD card so I can play stuff I own and stuff I'll never pay for (looking at you gun nac). The console itself has been given a bad name for lag but runs perfectly fine for me. I've even tested it against real hardware and games I know well and see no issues. There is always a cheaper and more reliable way to play now without the worry of real hardware.

[@GrinninPig]

I mean you're never going to miss something you never experienced, but I agree they are wrong trying to say the same experience can't be had. You can almost always get the game running perfectly via emulation these days. Maybe a lot of them don't realize how far emulation has come? And yes, some just want their collections to remain valuable. I love emulators, especially through a crt, but I've seen some nice crt overlays recently too

[@yashizuko]

This argument can be applied to souls game so much 😂

[@Supersayainpikmin]

I'm still going to be using original hardware for the time being while I still have the chance (there's going to be the point where its no longer a viable option), but recently I've been getting into Retroachivments, so I had to set up a few emulators, and I've been really appriciating how fast it is to boot up a game after I tune the emulator just the way I like. Honestly I don't care about fancy GPU accelerated shaders, just being able to play the games on PC with high accuracy, and everything GameCube and prior has delivered for me. I would reccomend trying individual emulators before RetroArch, though. IDK if it's just me, but controller support is a massive pain and the emulators don't seem to be as well maintained.

[@chfgn]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone claim that games play differently on emulators. I’m sure they’re out there, just like there are people who will try to shame you for *not* using emulators, but I think most of this argument is about the vibe. It feels different to plug in a cartridge and use the original controller. If you don’t care about that then that’s fine, of course, but the whole point of playing games is about how it makes you feel and if you feel better using an N64 controller then that’s meaningful. It’s also possible to use real cartridges on emulators (see Analogue consoles, Atari 2600+, etc) or play roms on real hardware (see Everdrives, jailbroken 3DSs, etc) so the OG-vs-emulation argument isn’t even a 1:1 split between collecting and downloading. Either way, I agree with the moral of this story: there’s no wrong way to experience art, so however you prefer to play is the right way.

[@Dirt33breaks]

John Linneman is gunna live this video!! lol and i totally agree!!

[@StevenCusic]

Your not wrong. as much as i like playing on real hardware for me personally old 2d looks the best with a de-dithering + GTU50 shader for just the right amount of pixel softening with Variable refresh rate and a custom desktop resolution, add to that proper audio filtering software (I'm a synth musician including working with game console/arcade chips) giving me the best experience, one thing i can say though all this does look better on the 16:9 HDMI crt but not by much also the crt isn't 65 inches. as for 3d pretty much more of the same I've already waffled on about

[@Kevinwoolford123]

im happy to pay £600 on an arcade game vs £600 on a shit ps2 game. The difference is the arcade game is cheaper now vs back in the day. graded games is a mental market. I do love modding all my systems for the best image and sound and using a tink4k because it gives me a 65" crt image with bfi etc and looks amazing with lower lag but i appreciate emulation also. ps2, ps1 and n64 3d games look disgusting but emulation actually makes them look amazing. I do get the argument but saying whats the point when its someone else spending their money on what they love is only their business. people using the tink4k arnt going for the emulation look but the nearest to crt look on the big screen without the crt and not to impress anyone but ourselves as idgaf how anyone else sees it as its my money and my setup lol. The argument is dont let real hardware snobs put you off using emulation not whats the point in someone spending money on a tink4k to look like emulation (when thats not what they use it for) real hardware is a shit hand me down tv with rf not elitist 5k pvm with bnc giving rgb on a modded system as thats so far from the original experience. the real point is gaming is gaming so enjoy it however you want and dont shit on other peoples preferences...this is the way. If a post saying emulation is better a comment will always say - real hardware is better and vice versa...sega vs nintendo...xbox vs sony it never ends. Just play your game and dont shit on others for doing what they want to with their earned cash

[@calvincrews3885]

My first emulator game console was the Power Games which it had almost every game from the NES console the second was the intellevision controller and now Family computer system which it has 620 mostly double up and I enjoy it more as the first emulator

[@charleshultgren7804]

Im ngl, ive never heard anyone have this opinion on emulation. Im a retro guy myself. I play ps1 and gameboy, and im in a few retro gaming subreddits. Emulation is such a common topic to discuss that there is a flair to tag you posts on most retro subs. People talk about rom hacking, emulators, rom dumping, all of which require emulation. Im not saying your wrong, yeah people can play games however they want. I just have never heard any retrohead shit on others for playing a game how they want to.

[@branojuraj9063]

im retro gaming meself. im 42 y.o. and playing my atari everyday to beat that one game (bruce lee)

[@WWammyy]

I use all three, real hardware, software emulation and fpga as per convenience. My preference is real hardware on a CRT thats the best most authentic experience as far as I am concerned. But I do have a retrotink 5x hooked up to my LCD Monitor with shaders + composite it looks quite close to my CRT. But sometimes I just use emulation if I want a quick game without having to unpack my old consoles shaders are quite good. Mister through LCD or CRT is also a good middle option

[@FunkyStudios]

joe & mac and rocket knight mentioned

[@PitchWheel]

I agree!

[@lordfarquaad4174]

Dodgyyyyy make longer videos I need more

[@szep_i4268]

I miss WoW vids

[@Aikobos]

There's nothing wrong with emulation, but you're comparing it to a pretty bad setup. Just RCA right into an HD TV.

[@angryretrogamer7313]

First of all, the sandwiches in the intro look delicious 😋. I love emulation I have super console x and it's the greatest gaming machine. 95% of the time there is no difference in games being emulated compared to original hardware. There are some games that have differences when being emulated like Mike Tyson's Punch-Out. It's still completely playable though and not that big of a difference. Without emulation I wouldn't have any of these thousands of games that I have on my super console x.

[@The_Lucent_Archangel]

Is DKOldies a scam? No!

[@flameboi4209]

I would argue that the N64 should be excluded from your argument that console and emulation are basically the same. But idk I haven't emulated N64 in a while. I've been involved in the emulation scene for several years now and i bought an everdrive and RGB modded my N64 because its only within the last like 3 or 4 years that N64 emulation actually got usable, and I generally avoided it because of that. And I'm not saying this to be a purist here, those who know know exactly what I'm talking about.

[@bit-ishbulldog2089]

I've never used a upscale device, probably never will.. I know exactly how to get the best results natively on my LCD or CRT. Euro SCART, RGB or S-Video. Or component and VGA. RF and composite if the system only supports that. Never had an issue with emulsion but if I have that choice then original hardware is my first choice. Liked the video it made me laugh, especially the cased "graded" GTA.. Some people are bloody idiots.

[@MrDudeFace]

i collect actual game hardware from the pre wii era and i honestly think that emulation is better in just every way if you want to just play the game and nothing else. you dont have to buy some obsure av cable so you can get video, you dont need to take delecate care and watch every micro movement when handling hardware and even if you get all that right, the video can be fuzzy or just really bright, (kinda like in 1:29). TL;DR: If you just wanna play the game and nothing more, use an emulator. You get a better experience. (edit: also yeah cased games are fuckin scams)

[@Timic83tc]

PAL ruined gaming for decades

[@pocketwyvern98]

Bit hyperbolic

[@Timic83tc]

@@pocketwyvern98 nah it was that bad,

[@pocketwyvern98]

@@Timic83tc People make far too big a deal about a slight speed difference in multi-region games that weren't optimised.

[@Timic83tc]

@@pocketwyvern98 it wasn't slight, it was usually game breaking.

[@pocketwyvern98]

@@Timic83tc Mate, I was there

[@creechrfeechr8094]

Strong stuff, but it's right!

[@erikkarsies4851]

Ah fortunately you do value the good old CRT. I'm not OCDing on this kind of stuff but a lot of old emulated games will look better on a plain old (S)VGA monitor ! Even older DOS games. (Well to be honest : I did buy old PC speakers also to make the sound more authentic also. (For 2.50€) And also I think the CBS Coleco sounds horrible without the RF distortion! )

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

Actually not _all_ PAL games ran slower, a few were optimised to compensate for the difference, but most certainly did until about the GameCube/PS2 era.

[@hyzenthlay7151]

Ufff... I get what you mean, and the whole complete set collectors with thousands of games in a basement... but I don't respect the trolls on KZbin that go to those videos and just type out "jUst gEt A rAspBerrY pI". Like, truly, if you're in that category, then may your earholes turn into arseholes and shit all down your neck!! Me personally, I like original hardware because I like to fix and mod them, but for example, I have a MegaCD, but no original games for it; they are all burned CDs. I get emulation, it can be very good, hell I have an Evercade system myself and that is pure emulation!! But the feel of real hardware makes it different somehow. As for the PAL vs NTSC thing, on most consoles that's easy to change so you can choose what frequency you play, and some games are original in PAL, which means that it's not the PAL that's too slow, but the NTSC is too fast. Thanks to fixing consoles and old micros I have a nice collection for a very modest sum of money, and I have just as much fun bringing them back to life as I do playing on them later. I think it's best to just live and let live, if you like emulation, great, if you like original hardware, good, and if you like both, good for you!!

[@tyronejohnson409]

YES SIR

[@TeeArCreep]

if you're gonna do emulation on PC; Don't use retroarch, it's not good anyway yeah emulation rocks

[@dodgykebaab]

I’m really into Retro Achievements, which have given me a good reason to go through all the old classics on all platforms

[@Sajgi]

I would love to add that old devices take a lot of electricity. I think there is also something wrong with running games that can be easily run on anything right now and takes much less wattage. Also CRT technology is weirdly glorified . When I first swapped on the LCD I really enjoyed it. It burns so little electricity than stupid CRT. There is also a big topic with rom-patching, modding consoles and how to archive games.

[@dodgykebaab]

Good point

[@NoNameForUYoutube]

Where I live electricity is dirt cheap, so it's not an issue. Finding a reasonably-priced, good condition and not-crap CRT is very hard though. So, what do I do? I use the MegaBezel shader that now comes with Retroarch. And it looks great to me (as long as your PC is beefy enough to run it).

[@michaelparker2449]

The reason CRTs are rightly glorified is having zero input lag, because the extra milliseconds of input lag on LCDs and even OLEDs is very much an issue especially on fast paced games that require fast and precise control

[@lanoiarnold]

5:05 i’m an adult with friends and a job so i buy analogue co consoles because i don’t want to sit around fucking around with emulators like a teenager when i want to play a game emulators are for the most friendless of dweebs

[@ArcadeCabNBud]

but you've got time to fk around on here spouting bs though

[@dodgykebaab]

Imagine not being able to hack a PS4 and install RetroArch for your living room

[@lanoiarnold]

uh i'm good on "hacking" a ps4 to install some bunk emulator os, i already told you i'm an adult with a social life - i'll stick to analogue, works a lot better than retroarch anyway

[@ByeBaybe]

same tbh

[@Bloodybradmusic]

“Time to compensate for my complete lack of a personality with ableist slurs. I have not grown as a person since reading Mean Machines Sega”

[@dodgykebaab]

Anyone that unironically uses the term “ableist” is a cunt

[@Bloodybradmusic]

@ are you saying you don’t think discrimination against disabled people doesn’t exist? Regardless this is kind of a sidebar to the main issue of you not being able to write a decent script and so just resorting to the 90s game journalist fallback of padding out your outline with rude words - I cannot see you going places with that approach

[@dodgykebaab]

@@Bloodybradmusic I'm saying if you can't take a joke, do one. Or roll away, whichever!

[@Bloodybradmusic]

@@dodgykebaab this would be an embarrassing thing to say if you were 11 years old m8

[@dodgykebaab]

@@Bloodybradmusic being offended at jokes and crying about it is so egotistical. Preaching to everyone that they have to share your bullshit point of view even after you’ve been told they are not interested, just shows that you’re a self obsessed, virtue signalling clown.

[@pocketwyvern98]

"Why spend all this money" because they want to. For someone who thinks people shouldn't care about others using emulation you certainly seem to care alot about how over people are engaging with the hobby.

[@ButcherGrindslam]

Nope. Retroarch is garbage. It's better to use not ALL-in-ONE emulators like Mesen, SNES9X or even KEGA Fusion. PAL "San Andreas" is optimized.

[@ValryshaClips]

I think a lot of it is people trying to justify to themselves why they spend ludicrous sums of money on additional original hardware when people can get 99% as close by just using their existing machines. If you want to spend such sums, go ahead, do it out of your own love of the game and consoles. But I think people believe it confers some sort of status, which is pretty amusing.

[@AAjax]

Complaining about how other people enjoy the hobby, like using emulators, is toxic. Still, you've completely ignored differing input latency and display latency, between real hardware and emulation on a modern PC. Emulators with run-ahead (which isn't a universal feature) can reduce input latency, but there's nothing emulators can do about modern display latency. The latency differences might not matter to you, but I can absolutely feel the difference in certain games. I say that as someone who has decided recently to go all-software emulation, and sell off my OG hardware and my MiSTer FPGA.

[@belstar1128]

i had a bad time with emulation in 2010 were i would follow the instructions step by step and it didn't work anyway and the emulators would never support full screen and were usually in a tiny window but its better now. and real hardware is too expensive and now its also starting to become so old they are all breaking down so you need to know soldering to fix the capacitors and other things it seems like most consoles have a 30 year lifespan.

[@metronome8471]

Loads Guardian Heroes Xbox 360.

[@90sNath]

Ok yeah nvm, you aren't pro emulation, you are pro piracy disguised as emulation. I hate real hardware enthusiasts as much as the next guy but come on. You can just pirate on real hardware bro. Just say piracy better jeez

[@dodgykebaab]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKKkdXidhd6rfbcsi=LwFnvP1VFp9kEy1F You’re telling the guy that had this collection in 2003 that I’m not pro emulation, actually I’m pro piracy? Really?!?

[@mridk118]

emulation letted me Experience the retro games for a person that never owned a console and i use a ps2 controller rip off and it feels great playing those games on my pc

[@mikeonthecomputer]

To be fair, there's a lot of obscure/not-so-popular systems that are poorly emulated, even in MAME. Real hardware can sometimes provide a better experience. The key words thee are obscure and not-so-popular. Probably everything you want to play already has perfect emulation.