THE PROBLEM with Sword of Convallaria

[@AkoreCh.]

I would like to clarify the point of this video since it seems that there is a misunderstanding • I'm not claiming that there is nothing to do after running out of stamina or asking what to do after running out of stamina •Fool's Journey is not the game's story mode Main Point: • You have to chose between using stamina for farming character materials or progressing Fool's Journey. This isn't a problem rn since we don't need to use a lot of stamina to farm character. But eventually we'll use more stamina for farming leaving barely any for Fool's Journey • -Fool's Journey doesn't need a stamina cost bc there is already and account lvl requirement- •Fool's Journey should have either a stamina cost or account lvl requirement, not both

[@darkneoyoyo]

Or give players tons of energy pots, like most of other gacha games now

[@mchlup]

I totally understood your point. It's either push Fool's Journey or level up your characters. It'll be difficult to do both down the line. Also, those ''Journey Quests'' (the round wheel progression thing) for free items take up massive amounts of energy just to clear it.

[@habeeps4495]

ehh idk.. it's always been like this for gacha games afaik, progressing story>hit a wall>farm for a few days>continue story... i believe the difficulty wont be infinitely increasing and would stop at some point (like lv.50 or smt), but at that point you would already have 1 team built to clear future stages. so now you would want to invest horizontally and level up another chars.. like arknights for example, the difficulty stop at elite 2 lv 30 at max (boss stages) so once my team at elite 2 lv 50 that team could clear future stages, and i can invest on other char that i want to use... what they can do in the future is having a campaign/event like fgo where they cut stamina cost to half (or 0 even) for players to catch up. and multiply material rewards like genshin/wuwa/ba etc

[@AkoreCh.]

You make a great point! Thanks for sharing. I only played arknights for around a month so I'm don't know how endgame is but I did play epic 7. And you made me realize that both arknights and e7 also have this system where doing the "story" and farming materials cost stamina. And I realize that this game feels worse because 1. you don't get as much stamina 2. there is an account lvl requirement to continue which means that you hit the wall much faster compared to other gacha games. This issue is also present in arknight and e7 however I never really felt it because you get a lot of stamina refills and the cost to enter stages weren't as high. I also want to clarify that I don't think that the difficulty is infinitely increase but that it will cost more materials to build a character at higher lvls which means less stamina to progress through the "story". For anyone else who is reading this, the Fool's Journey is NOT SoC's story however it is a game mode that functions similarly to other gacha games, where story mode cost stamina to clear.

[@habeeps4495]

@@AkoreCh. oh i'm sorry if it looks like it, but i didn't mean to put words in your mouth.. my point of bringing that up is since the difficulty won't go any higher at some point, the resource you really need is to build 1 team and you could clear future chapters of the fool's journey without farming anymore.. and i do agree the fool's journey stamina cost is too high, especially if you only need to clear it once and forgot about it also stamina was never my concern on any gacha games i played since i just spent them and move to another game.. but maybe thats just because i play too many gacha games at the same time lol

[@AkoreCh.]

@@habeeps4495 all good! it does seem like you could clear fool's journey with 1 team since the difficulty isn't too hard but you might still need to build other teams for the other content. i'm not too sure what endgame will look like since i don't follow the Taiwan version hey you got to feed the gamba addiction somehow 😆

[@minakoarisato1506]

Hope they go the fgo route.

[@mchlup]

@@AkoreCh. E7 did give out TONS of stamina, very true. However 99% of it went to farming gear. I think this will be the chase with SoC too actually.

[@dinnyskips]

game is very comparable to R99, but in that game the stamina cost for story missions is significantly less than in SoC, and you get handed so much free stamina refills in R99 that you very rarely feel locked out of progressing. SoC needs to drastically reduce the cost for the story missions or give out more refills.

[@AkoreCh.]

I didn't realize this but that's prob bc of the point you made about them handing out so much free stamina. I didn't play R99 but did play e7 which had a similar system

[@dinnyskips]

@@AkoreCh. it’s both. A story mission costs like 16 stamina in R99, they give you a steady flow of 60 and 120 stamina refills, and level ups provide huge chunks of stamina refill as well. I was not once locked out of progression during R99 launch due to stamina. Now for SoC, they could keep the 30 cost per mission, as the stamina cost is clearly tied directly to voyager exp, but they need to give out more free stamina refills.

[@drastia2246]

Yeah R1999 is the most clean and smooth gameplay experience i have in a gacha game even though it use stamina.

[@hugonoya]

The journey is eventualy ends .... so you will have stamina to farm

[@DeadToy-01]

You only need to do fools journey once thats why. Most of the gameplay is locked behind tower, spiral, and arena. Maybe in the future there will be more guild functions but IMO thats 3-6 months away, 3 if they already had it planned.

[@SlimTk7]

i agree on everything you said its quite repetitive and i agree with all your points im on day 3 f2p level 25. its just you need the mindset just like every other casual gacha, being patient and wait for this x amount of days to hit a certain point, and there aren't many whales in this game which im glad cus other pvp gachas game do have but this is well balanced in terms of the system. Keep in mind just follow the unit tierlist you don't need copies at all in this game just powerful hereos that give buff, heals, damage, etc..., always remember if you hit day 100 your pretty much endgame at the point for a f2p, so it isn't as bad compare to other gachas including the gear being not randomized is also a good thing requires no rng at all.

[@AkoreCh.]

Thanks for the tips. I 100% agree gear rng sucks! but I continue to play games that have them XD. Sorry I often struggle sharing my thoughts real-time so some things come off as unclear.

[@jrpgaddict7726]

I agree, these ppl dont understand that the rewards vs progression wont be able to keep up, its a drop in the bucket..... Or... u P2W to keep up wich is the end goal since its a Gacha.

[@StrikerTVFang]

It sounds like you want to play Spiral of Destinies then. Fool's Journey is just a mission based tool for unlocking more of the gatcha features (which is why it is timegated behind stamina). You instead want to take your favorite characters into Spiral of Destinies where you can level them up on a separate progression system without spending stamina.

[@AkoreCh.]

I'm not asking for things to do after running out of stamina my concern is progression later on. Since we need stamina for Fool's Journey & farming materials eventually we'll need to spend more stamina for farming materials leaving barely any for Fool's Journey. And I don't see a reason for having Fool's Journey requiring stamina because we will still be timegated by our account level.

[@KarseFarrence]

I disagree. I have not run out of stamina. In fact I need more time to play haha to do it all 15 hrs a days are not enough lol. If you go back and forward from Fool's Journey and Crossing Worlds and doing the necesary quest of Voyage Momento, Cornutopia etc and you will have more stamina potions, level ups to get more stamina. Also you get 60 stamina 2 times a day for login at certain times. In conclusion if you do things in a structure order you will have enough stamina to keep playing.

[@KarseFarrence]

Update on What I said: I ran out of Stamina on Level 32-33. So it's getting slower on the Gacha Side.

[@muizxmuiz]

Story should never use stamina. kinda a stupid decision for dev to do that.

[@StrikerTVFang]

You don't need stamina for the story... the Fool's journey isn't story mode. Spiral of Destinies is the story mode which you can play for hours upon hours. No stamina is needed.

[@NotOomay]

It doesn't...

[@LewdEve]

Fool's journey is not the story bro

[@habeeps4495]

always have been like this for gacha games tho... this kind of games supposed to be your side game where you login, spend stamina and play another game or do something else.. the devs put some kind of limit so you play it everyday or pay them to progress faster, like any other mobile/gacha games gacha games where you don't spend stamina to progress the story are relatively new (like genshin and such), but even those have their own "downtime" to progress their story...

[@bluebin2242]

im sure u know already but yeah that's not the story mode.

[@kazuryouh3781]

Wait, is that already at the 'end game' situation? Or it still like in the mid game?. Because I got hooked by the pixel art and wanna try the game but can't imagine myself as a beginner stuck due to stamina (also nice cut at the ending)

[@AkoreCh.]

It's hard to say but I think this situation is not going to be a problem till account level 45+. Don't worry about being stuck due to stamina, there are game modes such as tower of conquest, pvp, and story that require no stamina. You'll have to do The Fool's Journey to unlock these but as a beginner you'll be able to get through the chapters really quick. I would say to check out the game for yourself since it's free and right now they are giving out a lot of free stuff Here are some codes: SOCCREATOR SOCFORCE SOCTLP SOCMTASHED SOC20KDC

[@kazuryouh3781]

​@@AkoreCh.Alright, thanks for the heads up. Might actually try this now

[@DeadToy-01]

If you played other gacha games you hit mid-late game day 2 or 3.

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

@@DeadToy-01 2 or 3 days to finish chapter 3 and unlock all modes? Sure. But by that point you should still be around level 25 or so. And most of the story, as well as more efficient grinding stages, are locked behind higher levels - which caps at 60. We are nowhere near the end game.

[@gazzmania150]

Yeah it really feels like you run out of stamina too fast. Like I get there's also arena and the 3rd section of single player... which doesn't seem to reward anything? or maybe I missed where you get rewards But pvp also feels like it's done in 10 min

[@viki803]

But in the main story (Spiral of Destinies), after you finished the story, you CANT CARRY OVER ur progression at new game+ (items, gear, lvl, money) If u want to see different ending you must GRINDING all over again from the point you start!!!!! BAD GAME EVER!

[@GhostofVaIe]

Hope they remove stamina

[@wdaceroyal5658]

I absolutely see no problems with anything you said, if you hit a point where its difficult to progress the go farm, so what if the farming takes up most of your stamina? do you want to progress further in the fools journey? then farm. use your stamina wisely, is it bad to strategically manage your stamina? knowing if you can progress fool's journey or farm to get stronger to progress further in fool's journey? there isnt anything hard to manage, im basically where you are at right now and i see nothing that could be concerning. just know how to spend your stamina and use it wisely, there is time for progress and time for self development to progress, if your stamina i empty play the story, it doesnt have stamina. Fare well. Also i think its just lying from the title "THE PROBLEM" with Sword of Convallaria, when what you have spoke about wasnt really a genuine problem or anything or something that needs to be fixed. -WD

[@AkoreCh.]

Rn I can't progress the the Fool's Journey not because it's too difficult but because my account lvl is too low. So to lvl up, I use up my stamina so I can reach the required account lvl to continue the Fool's Journey but now I don't have any stamina to do the Fool's Journey. Do you see the problem? This isn't strategically managing your stamina, this is a game design so that it takes longer to progress our accounts and waste more of our time by gate keeping content much faster. There is no need to have a stamina requirement if there is already an account lvl requirement since we need to use our stamina to lvl up our accounts already. Instead of allowing us to spend all our stamina for farming materials we have to spilt it with progressing the Fool's Journey. Yes if the content is too difficult then go farm but rn I have to farm since it's the only way of lvling up my account and then when I'm done I can't even play the Fool's Journey because of the stamina requirement. Farewell

[@wdaceroyal5658]

@@AkoreCh. I still dont see the problem, you are farming to level up yes but its still a win-win situation because you are getting materials, and again, if you are out of stamina, play the story mode, if you are out of keys then do something else, there isnt a rush. if you are rushing for whatever reason then sorry cant do nothing else than to play another game and wait, i still dont see the problem.

[@AkoreCh.]

​@@wdaceroyal5658 If i don't need the materials why should I have to farm them now instead of just waiting till I unlock higher lvl farming stages? 1. If they keep only stamina cost for Fool's Journey and no account lvl req you can progress your account through the Fool's Journey till you need to farm. 2. If they only have account lvl req and no stamina cost then even after farming and reaching the account level you can still progress Fool's Journey. Rn you're forced to farm materials then can't progress Fool's Journey bc you're out of stamina. The point isn't that there's nothing to do after running out of stamina but that the current system of req stamina and account lvl for Fool's Journey is terrible

[@wdaceroyal5658]

@@AkoreCh. Well everyone has their reasons, but i still dont see a problem with it so agree to disagree Fare well

[@AkoreCh.]

@wdaceroyal5658 Fair enough, ggs

[@hazamax2139]

Ngl, gacha FFT sounds awful. Like, do I have to pray for RNG each time I want a new class? Fuck no

Stamina over? Go play Destiny, simple!

[@alankarellen64]

This game is perfect delete this video😂

[@Camp2Kill]

It's a single player game, there is nothing to keep up with. Just play your energy through then get on another game. It's not made to be a main game its a time waster.

[@LewdEve]

I agree to this