The Producers - Two Tribes live (Trevor Horn, Stephen Lipson, Lol Créme, Ash Soan)

So this is a bit special.
We were filming The Producers - a supergroup comprising of Trevor Horn, Lol Créme, Stephen Lipson and Ash Soan - when discussion turned to Frankie Goes To Hollywood's immortal Two Tribes, specifically whether Mark O'Toole of the band played the full, extremely difficult bassline live or not.
And then, these incredible men who have made some of the greatest pop records of all time played Two Tribes - the record they originally produced, engineered and played on. And here it is.
Blimey.
The Producers - Made In Basing Street is out on June 25.
PS. That's Julian Hinton on keyboard.

[@robertdazzleresq]

To someone who's 56 and has several 12" mixes of the original from the 1980's, this is just an unbelievable treat. Puts a whole new perspective on my 20's and makes me think about the passing years. Trevor Horn - don't ever stop.

[@veemacks7255]

I remember those mixes. Every 3 weeks they came out with a new 12" mix and I was there buying them.

[@josephschmeggins6311]

Same here. Got a few at home in Yorkshire.

[@allandrummond2420]

This is a song that changed my view of life as a kid :)

[@TrojanRuss]

You wrote this five years ago, and I'm now 58, so I feel like I know you. Saw them live 38 years ago. One of the most memorable concerts I've ever been to. Irvine Meadows 1985, Orange County, California. I was in the 10th row in the middle, and Frankie comes on for their encore. 'We want everyone to come closer," they say before they start the encore. So everybody obliges, me included. Instead of 10th row, I'm now third row standing on the arms of the chairs hanging on to my buddy Reuben when they start playing "Relax" again. Absolute chaos. People rushing the stage, jumping on stage. They finish the song, the band runs off the stage, they turn on the house lights and announce "Everybody go home." LMMFAO. Yeah, right. Band members were getting knocked over and swarmed, so I get stopping the concert, but Frankie was the one who told us to get closer. Not our fault.

[@roodytjm9282]

please.. find the twelves inches mix album.. you will enjoy !

[@jamesknightvo]

I'm surprised the walls didn't melt due to the amount of talent radiating through that room

[@deletebilderberg]

Lol Crème alone!

[@Torahboy1]

Look, children….. REAL MUSICIANS !!!

[@yidarmy3916]

not a computer keyboard to be seen !

[@allandrummond2420]

@@yidarmy3916 Excuse me , there is a lot of computers going on btw!

[@oldsaltshippers]

The dude with the bass reminds me of someone I knew in the 80's. How the mind buggles....

[@oldsaltshippers]

jutubaeh Better jokes are available for a small fee.

[@kengibson4054]

yes...Thomas Dolby..

[@frankkrank3970]

I think its Dobley... I'm here till Tuesday - try the fish....!

[@Hanzey1966]

Yeah....but didnt he killed that Radio Star ???

[@devinthierault]

Yes he was the guy from Dire Rates

[@philipford6183]

He is, and always will be, the Absolute Master. His sound defined a decade and still resonates to this day. You always know when you're listening to a Trevor Horn choon!

[@MacStoker]

listen to "videoteque by dollar" its an underrated belter... got some fairlight loveliness and superb old sampling... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZu2kK2QrMSVmZY

[@philipford6183]

@@MacStoker 'Videoteque' is solid gold Trevor Horn. Always a favourite of mine.

[@keitharnott2035]

Great stuff. Trevor Horn was always a shit hot bass player. He was just more famous for producing.

[@ericwhitehead6451]

For sure, one of the best.

[@myleftearful]

That 5 string bass of Trevors has an amazing sound!

[@markbrewster2630]

Playing with a plectrum definitely helps

[@paulcochrane1028]

Carruthers bass

[@paulwilkinson8099]

Just what I was thinking

[@stickyfox]

My cheap Ibanez would probably sound amazing in his hands too :D

[@timbeaton5045]

Probably brand new strings. Even my relatively cheapo Sire 5 string bass sounds great with new strings. ANd probably other pretty good outboard gear, too.

[@richardclarke376]

Mr. Horn you are a genius.

[@brosephyolonarovichstalin2915]

SJaddy correct. He kinda exploited FGTH although there is no doubt his productions are immensely good. He lost his court case against Holly Johnson over it. ZTT really underpaid FGTH to maximise cashing in on Horn. That’s why if you go to I tunes and try to buy the long (best) version of welcome to the pleasuredome with the simply BREATHTAKING baseline, you cannot buy the single only the album. That’s not FGTH that’s all about ZTT music. So Horn enriches and adds his genius to it but he really ended up screwing them over. Horns wife was a businesswoman. Pretty ruthless by all accounts. Heartbreaking story of genius level talent clashing with someone else’s original idea. But the music was just incredible. To think it was all made around 1984 is pretty impressive. Frankie was an incredibly underrated band generally. And it was all over after 4 years. All I got told as a kid were they were gay. So I was t interested due to the uncool factor but my dad always said the bass lines in Frankie were another level. He was right.

[@richardclarke376]

@@brosephyolonarovichstalin2915 was it mark o'toole on bass? People said they used session musicians but that may have been jealousy, at the time it was cool to hate on FGTH

[@garethhughes6739]

@@richardclarke376 On the recording, probably not. At one point Norman Watt Roy from the Blockheads recorded bass parts for the first FGTH album, but the end result was so heavily sampled, processed and buggered-about-with that who/what actually 'played' bass on the recording is uncertain. However, skip to 10m20s in this - kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5OmdnlqqL6Gn7s - for proof that M O'T is perfectly capable of playing it!

[@Hopgoodd]

I second that!

[@juliandark01]

They did this at Cornbury Festival (Oxfordshire about 2016) and it was amazing. They then brought out Seal (he was brilliant) and Stuart Copeland (The Police drummer - OMG!) - the best two hours I've ever had at a festival. They finished on Relax!! Wonderful, wonderful! Will never, ever forget that Saturday afternoon at 2.45pm!!!

[@teaboyuk]

They did, I was there. But, Seal didn't sing the FGTH songs because he didn't wanna sing about gay sex I presume, Ryan Molloy did, who'd done the Frankie reform gig. He did an ace job.

[@bendavies5806]

Trevor Horn. What a talent. So underrated.

[@3DPeter]

Hahahaha, Trevor Horn is and was never underrated my friend because he's one of the biggest and best producers and musicians this planet has ever seen.

[@skyhawk747]

He is a music God!

[@simonjiy]

video killed the radio star wasn't really underrated though

[@Thirdfish]

More talented than the band that faked it.

[@sirandrelefaedelinoge]

Here it is the ubiquitous _"underrated"_ comment on every You Tube video...

[@steves2609]

Love finding nuggets like these on KZbin. Some unbelievable talent here

[@michaelwoods1171]

Your right there pal😊🤘

[@jameskvo]

So much talent in one room - I'm astonished that the walls didn't melt.

[@1800astra]

Lol Créme's grin is infectious, what a great sound they make. Thanks for the upload!

[@challengerjetdriver]

Stumbled on something absolutely priceless.... WOW!!!

[@RikiNewtonMusicianSongwriter]

That’s a fabulous bass sound from Trevor Horn - the original producer of Two Tribes - Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Horn made some great music ! The Power Of Love - is a masterpiece. Cheers 🥂

[@Barristerboy]

There are some things that are so good in life, no one can change the fact that you heard them. I'm going to be grinning all week

[@johnpomfret5146]

Wish i’d put a £ to the side for everytime i came back to watch and listen to this. Pure artistry!

[@sarac.3259]

Same! Artistry and I think alchemy. Oh to see some musicians playing live.

[@InnocentMan99]

Wow. Thank you for the music Mr Horn. I’d never heard of you until I saw Video Killed the Radio Star....and then you suddenly appear as a member of my favourite Prog Rock band Yes and my eyes were opened. Saw you with Yes a couple of years or so back with Yes again in the Albert Hall. Brilliant.

[@3DPeter]

A nice little fun fact: Video killed the radio star was the very first video on MTV. And when you want to know what a superb perfectionist Trevor Horn is, then watch this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ6TgoR6gtSFhrc

[@RyanSeven1111]

How the guy on shaker can keep such flawless timing to that rhythm I don't know.

[@chinesefake]

Exactly what i was thinking.

[@DrTune]

It's a robot arm

[@frankkrank3970]

How do you know a drummer is at your door? The knocking speeds up !

[@armondtanz]

He gets a rest at 2:40

[@1414yorks]

i can manage about 5 minutes shaking my wrist and thats after years of practice

[@mistermister8]

Amazing. Trever Horn an awesome talent.

[@andrewmaguire4476]

Wowza completely mind blowing I saw FGTH live at Newcastle City Hall in 1985 and two tribes has always been a massive favourite of mine and to see this video gives me goosebumps, Trevor Horn you are a genius!

[@neilfalconbridge5395]

If I could play like that I wouldn't go out at night 👍👍

[@stevebandit1964]

For anyone my age this was iconic, Frankie were truly unique ... 😎

[@graemeraw8894]

Now you know who masterminded it

[@deletebilderberg]

@@graemeraw8894 Yeah. Paul Morley.

[@mikwhiting938]

I like this very much. Only 9 years too late! lol

[@Left-handed-liberal]

Why am I just seeing this in 2024? Had no idea this even existed. 😢

[@RodM.Peters]

"You rely on luck for that one!" cracked me up, as if any of these dudes ever had to rely on that to pull out such fantastic music.

[@gepisar]

i thought he had said "relied on electricity for that one"...

[@1MMIOneMinuteMovingImage]

Wonderful piece of music. Good to see Lol Creme is still alive and well. Always been a big 10CC fan

[@VickersDoorter]

I have the original Fairlight sequence which I found when I acquired Alan Parsons' Fairlight Series IIx around 1987. It consisted of just the bass and drum tracks, but was a superb piece of programming.

[@TrojanRuss]

Fucking brilliant, gentlemen! I saw Frankie in 1985 at Irvine Meadows in Orange County, California, and it was one of the greatest concerts I ever went to (and I was at the Depeche Mode 101 concert in 1988 at the Rose Bowl). Thank you for your contribution to the enjoyment of a great band.

[@markward9949]

Love that KZbin throws up suggestions like this. Old man rockers live jam showing everyone else how to do it. So great to see Lol Creme in action, and Trevor Horn on the bass is genius, but how do you keep that bloody shaker going so perfectly?? Brilliant!

[@basvanderborg4524]

This is not popmusic, this becomes classical music!

[@supafly424]

how can anyone there think this would become a classic hit?

[@FrankSiemerink]

Trevor Horn, respect for the best producer ever…I love every record he produced, his signature is always recognizable ❤❤

[@Stakker]

that coda at 2:30 is always so hopeful and euphoric and in context provokes the jingoism the lyric then confirms. " TELL THE WORLD THAT YOU'RE WINNING". ir's a bit beatles in India too, right?

[@johnny0468]

trevor horn and those guys ....super talent!!!

[@GORDONMCGOOCHAN]

Awesome performance, thanks for posting. Brought back some happy memories for me, I was a studio manager at Sarm for a couple of years around the time of the second Frankie album.

[@guellegure]

What Trevor did to it in the studio with the synclavier, ppg and fairlight is what Two Tribes is made of. Without Trevor there would be no Two Tribes. So maybe this was Mark's and Holly's raw idea...but it's Trevor's song.

[@tomstickland]

Have a listen to the demo versions here on youtube. They are structurally identical to the finished versions.

[@urzapolariz]

I think that's a terribly myopic perspective to take on the creative process. Horn as a wunderbar Producer makes music BETTER, but he has trouble coming up with original concepts and ideas. There's just as much to be said for the people who make original concepts and ideas as the people who polish them into shiny finished pieces. To give only one part of the creative process credit is unbalanced at best, and tragically inaccurate at worst. If Trevor Horn were such a creative musical genius, he wouldn't have signed dozens of bands to come up with original concepts and themes, he would have just been a one-man band and done it all himself.

[@bendyman_72]

@@tomstickland But totally laughable compared to the finished version.

[@Dougieheccarealoaded]

Your romantic fantasy regarding the production is cute but completely misguided

[@harveylimpopo3042]

Utter nonsense The Peel Session version has the full version of the song but raw Horn polished it up as he does ZTT made brilliant versions of the song

[@Bram1970]

sorry guys, this is really fuck´n good, thx a lot. All my history is going on in two seconds.:))) Sorry about my bad english, hope you understand my "german" english, this is all for me.:))) Best of all cheers from Essen Germany Tom

[@jumpstar9000]

So very cool! It's like the Tubular Bells live version. Never knew this existed. Thanks for posting it!

[@gillperry6214]

Chills - can't beat the 80s 😊

[@caeserromero3013]

Can't imagine One Direction doing something like this in 30 years time....

[@hanstun1]

Nor Frankie... :)

[@a.j.carter8975]

♥️🇬🇧😀breathtaking. I'll never forget the ending to the fim supergrass with Robbie...

[@helos9197]

Can't get that bass out of my head. I've been humming it for days now. One of my great memories of the 80's.

[@dariusforster4811]

brilliant Musicians, genius Trevor Horn

[@dominicwhiting668]

In the studio for 90125,and Big Generator total genius and all round Nice guy. ❤️

[@MsLeigh1958]

So so glad to see lol creme again from 10cc fame.

[@pvtrichter88]

all this talent here just UN GODLEY!!

[@krollpeter]

Every time I see him I get angry. Mix the artistic ideas from the next three Godley & Creme albums after separation with the lushness of the next three 10cc releases... it it it ... noooooo

[@geoffreylogsdon162]

Lol Creme is my hero

[@xmurazikysqdanirkk6045]

Killer bass sound! How the guy on shaker can keep such flawless timing to that rhythm I don't know.

[@glyph2011]

Good god, this is fantastic!!!!!!!

[@ardavidsonjr]

Back in the day, when artists actually knew how to play instruments, this was known as a jam session. Sweet impromptu instrumental.

[@gamingwithcallum6087]

Will you shut up? People can still play instruments now

[@deletebilderberg]

Except Frankie Goes to Hollywood 😆

[@mikekaraoke]

@@deletebilderberg Well we all know they could play their instruments, Horn and the group made several versions of their first single, "Relax". Eventually, Horn created a dramatically different arrangement without the band, using electronic instruments such as a drum machines along with a live kit and the Fairlight, an early sampling synthesiser + then with guitars etc.... But on the 2nd album Liverpool, they all played their instruments on the record which is common knowledge!

[@Heselbine]

How utterly marvellous

[@TheMaverick177uk]

This is brilliant

[@captainshivers]

Still such an intoxicating driving rhythm!

[@minsterhill]

Holy wow what is this? So glad I stumbled on it. Fantastic!!!

[@CraigMarshall_HDvideo4K]

Dear old Lol Creme seems to be thoroughly enjoying himself! Good on him. I always thought he got a bit of raw deal when he split all those years ago from Kevin Godley.

[@MonoLith2049]

Pure gold! What an amazing video, thanks x

[@zyancalikola]

Some of the greatest producers and musical visionaries of popular music ever together in a live performance. Thanks so much for digging and upping!

[@princebuster93]

Bravo....simply brilliant

[@Captain2Pig]

the 12" version (annihalation) is still one of my favourite tunes, as is 12" of relax so i wouldn't take anything away from Trevor but for Two Tribes every single musical element (chords, melody, arrangement including all the main riffs, rhythm/tempo, lyrics) are all there, unarguably, in that 1982 recording of it. Trevor, along with possibly as much input from Steve Lipson, used the most expensive musical equipment on the go for their input, and Trevor acknowledges the power of the raw product.

[@benedictearlson9044]

Absolutely. Not sure what they remember but the bass line on the Peel session (before Trevor had heard of them) has the bass playing the riff exactly as they copied it for the record albeit on a 4-string bass. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHvJmYWro5xmb5Y

[@Fakename70]

Carnage!

[@LochlanBoebel]

Killer bass sound!

[@kathowed]

Fantabulous, of course, but how much fun is Lol Créme having! So joyous to watch.

[@theviewfromthepanopticon1852]

THIS ..... is just fookin' AWESOME :]

[@Bringidon]

just makes me smile

[@KitagumaIgen]

Frankie goes to middle-age? Mind blown - IT WAS JUST YESTERDAY!!!

[@rembeadgc]

The only guy to share the bass chair on a Yes record while Chris Squire was still living (as far as I know). Oh, the other guys sound decent too.

[@Gasboy8]

Don't you just love the sound of a bass guitar!!!

[@talibe801]

yes.great sound,the foundation of any band.

[@Neodude991]

Yep. Why I've been playing bass for 10 years..

[@talibe801]

@@Neodude991 good.

[@meh5812]

the godlike Bass guitar

[@sidstewart7399]

I play 4 instruments...people are baffled when I say bass is my favorite.

[@bkrbyex4339]

They should've involved Jimmy Page in this project

[@Jonathan-A]

English Folk Tradition. Wonderful. Anthem for the 65ers. Ta Trev. (Sad that Mr PleasureDRome passed away) Cheers

[@Fastolm]

Trevor Horn playing THAT bass line!!! Great

[@soundoftheatom]

Wow! No seriously - wow! Trevor Horn is a friggin' musical genius.

[@MultiverseAndy]

So lovely.

[@deirdrestewart4394]

First class amazing !

[@AnonymousCowardX]

Wow this is amazing... sometimes it is worth to surf youtube for hours lol - good ole Trevor Horn. Amazing.

[@hamburg1306]

It’s the ‘carnage mix’ of Two Tribes.

[@paulgriffiths8488]

Amazing

[@kryptonenz]

there is an interesting article online somewhere with Andy Richards one of the main keyboard players on this track and he talks about how it was put together... "ultimately the sound on the record is a PPG bass sample playing the really in-your-face bass line, and the Synclavier playing a slightly softer one.” Apparently it took 3 days to program that into the Synclavier, wow !

[@johnnybowe]

Real outstanding talent!!

[@eduardoenriquez3609]

He's the one "radio kill radio s.."

[@danielstephenson7558]

God watching this is like a supergroup discovering lightning in a bottle. and then being able to fill that bottle whenever they feel like it.

[@rudo747]

Well Trevor is from sunderland and is a superb musician who has produced many artists with a difinitave. Sound that will stand the test of time ,he is a superb musician and composer, producer .

[@Deebz270]

Smokin.... But the imagery invoked is still the Spitting Image muppets of Ronald Reagan, Konstantin Chernenko and Thatcher. One of the best anti-war songs of all time. . Trivia: Godley and *Creme* directed the video of Two Tribes.

[@Autumnblueskies1]

Wow- just wow! This sounds sensational!! Takes me back….

[@carlosgalvez9312]

I knew Trevor from the Buggles, but didn't know he was a great producer for other bands also. He's a genius.

[@markbrewster2630]

Seal's 4th album (Prayer For The Dying/Kiss From A Rose) all Trevor Horn..

[@rafferty246]

Brilliant

[@andrewganley9016]

Trevor Horn and Lol Creme what a combo!

[@BartvanderHorst]

Trevor used samplers synthesizers musicians *and* composers singers and blends it together with brilliant cement of his own. This brilliance is felt when the song is deconstructed as in this video it is still interesting to listen to.

[@johnny0468]

what a great insight to that album x thank you its a huge lesson in song writing xx

[@hamburg1306]

“Show him how it must be done.” Wow does he ever!

[@graemeraw8894]

The tone on that bass is brilliant

[@waynegoldpig2220]

Without a shadow of a doubt the second best produced single in musical history. Welcome to the Pleasuredome was the first.

[@coolhand1966]

in your opinion

[@waynegoldpig2220]

@@coolhand1966 refute it.

[@mackgoldenprince1874]

Trevor Horn : The Master of epic sound production.

[@nickjones8867]

AMAZING

[@LeeStaffs1]

4 blokes you would love to have a pint with. Amazing musicians.

[@DoctorShopper01]

Trevor Horn is a true music genius (the others aren't too shabby either) who has been behind so many great tunes from YES to Frankie Goes To Hollywood, The Buggles and t.A.T.u. I had this stupid smile on my face listening/watching this took me back... Mid '80's, Melbourne, Chapel St., Central Station Records. So many vinyl EP remixes of Two Tribes it was hard to keep up. But fun trying. Pure marketing brilliance by ZTT label, which released the song. It is the likes of Trance & Dance these days but thank you Trevor Horn et al. for the awesome toons.

[@martinraxyz]

Pablo Escobar t.a.T.u ?

[@allisontyler-howells5239]

This is just brilliant

[@divernater]

Wow! stripped back with Trevors massive bass,, Superb!!!!!

[@43lochness]

Mature musicians who can actually play , having a jam , Warm' s my heart . The so called chart "topping " garbage of today should pay attention .

[@baward]

Pensioner mix ;-)

[@tekvax01]

OUCH!!

[@drchunkybiscuit9973]

How about, They're all better than you mix. ;-)

[@johnny0468]

if you love frankie goes to hollywood as i do ,norman watt roy was a huge input on the bass lines on the hit singles ...finest bassist in the uk x

[@mindtpi]

There's several videos of Mark O'Toole playing the bass line live on KZbin absolutely perfectly. The baselines aren't terribly hard to play, they're just fast and you need to have good timing to get it to sound good (my favourite is Welcome to the Pleasure Dome). On the record version it's definitely a sampler playing the baseline but I'd have no doubt that O'toole is playing along slightly underneath (possibly gating the sampler?). Anyway, I think he was extremely under-rated and somewhat maligned as a bassist, his baselines have a really good groove to them and they're fun to play

[@diegorhoenisch62]

Trevor Horn has explained that the bass line was sequenced. It seems rather improbable that the bass would be used to trigger a gate as that would defeat the purpose of sequencing it. Cheers, Alan Tomlinson

[@johnny0468]

@@diegorhoenisch62 kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3zcZquiaZmXiKs

[@patriciahealey2927]

O toole smacked

[@orgryte1]

Brian Nash tells in his autobiography that Billy Idol wanted Mark O’Toole to join his band, so I guess he was/is a pretty good musician.

[@cetrella]

There are plenty of recordings of Mark O’Toole playing this live, both before and after the Trevor Horn recording. In fact, most of the Frankie songs from the Pleasuredome era were based around Mark’s energetic bass lines. “The World Is My Oyster”, “Krisco Kisses”, Welcome to the pleasuredome”, “Disneyland”, etc. That was the trademark Frankie sound and had nothing to do with Trevor Horn.

[@52girliegirl]

How music should be enjoyed! Love that Lol smile. Always my favourite he just had fun😎

[@neilgrafton6549]

Love this ❤