The Pronunciation of New Testament Greek by Benjamin Kantor - Book Review & Recommendation

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[@PatriciusOenus]

I'm so glad that I stumbled upon this video - even 5 months late. It is great that Kantor is doing the hard work of tracking the textual evidence and documenting it so thoroughly. Thanks for this review, summary, and teaser.

[@iberius9937]

I'm glad to hear that these are excellent works by an excellent scholar, language teacher and philologist! I might check them out, myself. That man has done some excellent work for both Koine Greek and Biblical Hebrew.

[@darkodjogo96]

I bought the book and as a New Testament scholar I must say I am trilled. Great book, very detailed, it will be so useful on my classes. Thanks, Luke, for bringing Kantor's master piece to my attention and thank you, Ben Kantor, for the book.

[@polyMATHYplus]

I’m really glad you like it! It had a cherished position in my quick-reference bookshelf.

[@scripturial]

Im so happy to see the growing amount of sound linguistic methodologies being applied to biblical language related studies. Dragging biblical scholarship and seminaries into 21st century (with regards to linguistic methodologies). Even simple things like beginning to use IPA is an improvement. I can't help but wonder if IPA will ever make it into seminary Biblical Greek related textbooks.

[@polyMATHYplus]

Well said! Kantor is at the vanguard

[@Thindorama]

I didn't even know it was possible for an actual academic textbook or university course not to use IPA in language studies of any kind.

[@scripturial]

@@Thindorama I always thought it was weird that most US Koine era (NT) Greek textbooks use US English words to describe how to pronounce Greek letters. We first have to work out how an American would pronounce the vowel to know how to pronounce it. Although to be fair, not many people learning first century Koine/Biblical Greek would have the inclination to learn the IPA system. I at least think it should be available for those that want it.

[@dreamermagister8561]

Your content helps me so much and i am sure many more too is appreciative of your works

[@achavanak]

Thanks for the review. I preordered the short guide because of a recommendation in another blog, but I'm very interested in your thoughts and pleased to know that you find it a helpful and accurate resource for this time period.

[@polyMATHYplus]

Most definitely! The larger text is the real gold for me.

[@HighWideandHandsome]

I saw these books online and began eagerly awaiting your review of them. I've purchased and been reading through the Short Guide.

[@polyMATHYplus]

Oh great! Yes the books are truly stellar. The full PNTG is phenomenal.

[@irenelapreziosa]

Molto interessante! 👏

[@polyMATHYplus]

Grazie, amorcule mī!

[@sigilmedia]

It seems obvious that Koine Greek by its nature would have a huge amount of variation when you consider the variety of non-native pronunciations of modern English (leaving aside the British/American distinction.) The frogs movie was great btw, thanks for recommending.

[@polyMATHYplus]

Great point!

[@francisdec1615]

It's a thing even in rather small languages. This is a humouristic song from Lysekil, a small town in my home province in western Sweden: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKu8iHWooMqsf6s "The Eel Fisherman's Waltz". Half of the fun with the song is that the pronunciation is almost totally different from standard Swedish. One example: "Jä får nokk feska ål tess jä stupar", which in standard Swedish would be "Jag får nog fiska ål tills jag stupar" - "I'll probably have to fish for eel til I die". Another: "Men de va hôl i bônn, så jä ble våd" - "Men det var hål i botten, så jag blev våt" - "But it was a hole in the bottom, so I got wet". Even if you know no Swedish at all, you see the difference. This dialect is rapidly dying, but in 1977, when this was recorded, half of the inhabitants in Lysekil and its surroundings sounded like this. And Swedish only has 10 million native speakers and maybe 1 million non-native speakers. Koine had what? 50 million? And modern English has almost a billion native speakers and 4-5 billion foreigners who master it in varying degrees.

[@sigilmedia]

Neat, I love Swedish!

[@jahanas22]

I'll have to look into getting one or both.

[@iberius9937]

7:03 I definitely detect a much more native Greek intonation and accent in his Buthian pronunciation in his latest videos.

[@IonutPaun-lp2zq]

Is there an equivalent book to Latin pronunciation ? Sorry, if this has been asked many times before. I'm looking for something that is up to date with the latest scholarship on this subject. If something like this does not exist, then what is the best book I could buy ?

[@ЮрийКрючков-ы7с]

To memorize all these "outstanding data" would take the rest of my life.

[@joshuacantin514]

Based on your video, do I extrapolate correctly that Ben indicates Koine spoken in Judea had more conservative varieties that kept phonemic vowel length and pitch accent as well as more innovative varieties that lost them? (with the ratio probably leaning more towards innovative the later in time one looks) And, in the short guide, does Ben describe both pronunciations, but simply recommend the more innovative variety for learners or does he just describe the more innovative version? Based on the table of contents, I think the former, but I am not certain. And, thank you for this book review!

[@polyMATHYplus]

Thanks for watching! Yes, Ben gives a timeline with overlapping conservative and innovative varieties, and demonstrates in IPA both potential variants in each time period on p. 777 of the PNTG. Really wonderful section. My opinion is that a few of his reconstructions might be too innovative by 50-100 years in some places, but that’s quibbling. Ben does a little to explain the conservative varieties in the Short Guide, but mostly makes the case for the Buthian Pronunciation as his pedagogical preference.

[@joshuacantin514]

@@polyMATHYplus χάριν σοι ἔχω!

[@PedroMachadoPT]

I find it odd that the short guide has things that the longer book doesn’t have.

[@raven6681]

Since there are many ancient Greek "pronunciations", it means that there are many wrong "pronunciations". The thing I find interesting, is the need for a "correct" pronunciation by non-native Greek speakers, which has nothing to do with modern Greek pronunciation. Non-native speakers, learning to speak ancient Greek, in a pronunciation only non-natives will understand (if both have learned the same pronunciation ruleset), when the millions of native speakers that live in this planet learn and understand ancient Greek in modern Greek pronunciation. It's like being English and saying to an Italian that pineapple pizza is the way to go. This sounds less silly than Boris Johnson reciting the Iliad. (Huge respect by the way for reciting, silly pronunciation nonetheless.) An interesting video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHTci5yJp75mbrc

[@jasonbaker2370]

Great review! Ben is such a great guy and I had to snatch these books up the moment they went on sale. I can’t say I did as good a job as you at taking notes in them lol It’s amazing how quickly you digest the information in them I’m jealous ❤

[@polyMATHYplus]

Ben is a fantastic scholar and human being.