The propagations are looking great - is it time to up-pot?

[@Wubblyt]

Thank you for sharing when and for what reasons you repot small plants. We think similar on this 😊 Im sure it will help many who are in doubt! I like to keep my props in as small a pot as possible (unless they need water more than twice a week or a trellis). When they are small and in small pots they can stay on the top shelf of my smaller cabinet, where I can keep an eye on them and reach them easily for an extra drink of water. Once they get a trellis they usually have to move to a window (harsher conditions) or into the tent (harder to reach for an extra sip of water).

[@soberplantguy]

As usual, you nailed it here. I've come to the conclusion that most people aren't ... us 🤣 The tiny little pots most likely won't get watered. That's my takeaway anyway. From your list on Emma's page, I fell for these two Hoya: scortechinii and pulchra (which is pretty expensive here, at least the ones I found quickly). Glad you left that nice list!

[@Wubblyt]

@ Haha yes probably. Everyone grows a little differently (hopefully in ways that help the plants grow well for them). Im on top of my watering usually, everything gets water (if needed) once a week… and rough overall checkups in between. But that doesn’t work (timewise) for everyone. We do grow larger plants differently… you love clay pots, I love transparent plastic ones with a coverpot 😉 Currently still using some self watering pots since everyone was so over the moon about them…. I think thats not for me though… the medium doesn’t get a chance to dry with my watering routine 😅. Recently found that some of my Hoyas start growing leaves only when the tree fern is almost dried out, might maybe switch those to just cocochips/perlite/bark (more chunks, still airy)… not sure, will have to experiment on cuttings and that will probably take me half a year 😂 Hahaha that shortlist was tailored to what she said she liked. But I’d put Hoya Pulchra on any list (I think a cutting is around a 100 here as well), same for Hoya Scortechinii (not as expensive) Sometimes people ask “10 favorite Hoya” and I can never get under 40, then I think “maybe I should keep only those 40?” But 10 of those keep changing so I cant…. 😅 If I have to name 5 or 10 its now just the first ones that come to mind Do some of your favourites change?

[@soberplantguy]

@@Wubblyt Speaking of tree fern fiber: boy howdy does that stuff dry out *quickly.* I killed off all off a bunch of props because the top was wet from the prop box moisture, but the actual cup was bone freaking dry. Same with a plant that I left some in. Goes bone dry I no time. No thanks from me 🤣 I suppose my favs list could rotate a bit, but if push came to shove--say I had to move into a small place--I have a pretty good idea of what would make the final cut. It wouldn't be any 10, though 🤣😂🤣

[@Wubblyt]

@ yes tree fern does dry quicker…. (Its why I like clear pots to check the sides for moisture drops) good to know that in prop boxes it can be deceiving like that… I guess it would be the same with moss in a prop box 🤔 For some plants in the cabinet and tent it can take 2 weeks in a 9cm pot (not even self watering) to dry that is too long if you ask me… They are not rotting or dying though… just not…. Growing as well… (they do grow… sometimes) I have noticed that most plants that flower for me dry out in a week or a little less than a week 🤔 so trying to amend the mixes to achieve drying out in about a week (eventually) Hmm moving into a smaller house… thats a good criteria… Im thinking that maybe its a good thing to have difficulty picking favs…. Means a lot of the plants are loved/appreciated 😊 (the “meh” plants usually get rehomed quickly to someone who will appreciate them more)

[@paxleidig5327]

Instructional!? You just answered all of my most pressing questions! Nice job Dave! 😁. Thanks!

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

ALLLL of them, Pax? 😆

[@paxleidig5327]

Just the most pressing. 🤪

[@soberplantguy]

Stop it! Really?? Thanks for all your channel support 😁

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa I specialize in the passing questions *only*

[@paxleidig5327]

Seriously, sometimes I think you're watching over my shoulder. It's like we're going through the same process. 🧐

[@anawithplants]

great info! you've inspired me to start using prop boxes for my hoyas 🤗

[@soberplantguy]

Thanks for the comment, Ana. Really appreciate it!

[@HeatherOatmeal]

Even with having had plants for many years, and more than ever these last few years😅, deciding when to up pot is still one of my biggest struggles. Thanks for another great video with lots of helpful tips from your experience! Also, it's nearly 80° here in WI today, too 😵‍💫

[@soberplantguy]

I'm not wrong--80 is crazy?? Glad you're finding some use from my silly little videos. Thanks for so much channel support 😊

[@HeatherOatmeal]

@soberplantguy it's downright bananas for this time of year! It'll be so much better than the snow we've gotten some years for the kiddos going trick-or-treating. 🎃👻 If by "silly" you mean awesome, then yes, yes indeed 🤗🏆

[@soberplantguy]

@@HeatherOatmeal "Awesome" does sound better 😁

[@peggymalabuyoc9150]

Hi Dave, Many thanks for another video with good information and fun content! I always enjoy potting up my cuttings and watching them grow in to large plants. Thanks for your tips and inspiration! Take care. 👌🪴🥰

[@soberplantguy]

It's the best, isn't it 😁

[@peggymalabuyoc9150]

@@soberplantguy Absolutely! 👌🪴🥰

[@Aquamarine.Aubrey]

Another great topic! I, too, like to root my hoya in the medium that I want to grow it in. I needed this reminder about how hoya (and plants in general) get significantly more thirsty when they get rootier. I have a few "cuttings" that are probably actually plants now, and I've been wondering why they aren't doing that good in their little dessert cups. the answer is- I'm not watering them enough now that they have an actual planty root system 😂 DUUHH!

[@soberplantguy]

I have these moments all the time! "Oh, duh, *that's* why!" Thanks for the kind words, and all the channel support 😊

[@deemari577]

Ugh! Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I don't... 😕

[@soberplantguy]

@@deemari577 Sometimes I very often don't get it right 🙃

[@deemari577]

@@soberplantguy Just threw out 5 hoyas in a matter of days 😫😫😫

[@soberplantguy]

@@deemari577 I am in complete empathy with you. I had to toss a few plants myself. Some of the really delicately rooted Hoya just didn't recover from the root mealies. And of course those were gifts, and quite, quite nice. I hope 5 is it for you!!!

[@orchidenere]

Great info Dave, thanks

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

💚

[@soberplantguy]

Thanks for all the channel support--it really means a lot!

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa 💚🪴

[@cydfall4897]

I’ve needed this video. I’ve been going through a plant overwhelm. Ended up giving away a load down to much more manageable collection now and there’s so many Hoya that deffo deserve an up pot. 😂

[@soberplantguy]

I'm glad you did that for yourself! Too many people struggle to make it easier for themselves 😊

[@mn4169]

As always, good solid advise and not DO THIS!!! Look forward to your uploads. Waiting to see if I win an auction for a Jennifer, hope so. Got my hoya heuschkeliana variegated yesterday. What a beauty! Wanted obe for so long. Varigation is stunning. Have a lovely day Dave. Greatings from a wet and windy southern Sweden♥️♥️

[@soberplantguy]

Thanks for sending the wet and windy weather our way 😁 I like a rainy Fall day. And thank you for the really nice comment. I sure do appreciate it!

[@mn4169]

@@soberplantguy You make me happy with your easy go voice.

[@soberplantguy]

@@mn4169 Ah, thank so much!

[@newmanmansell760]

Beautiful Hoyas Dave😌🙌And good advice on growing☺️🙏

[@soberplantguy]

Thanks for all your support! Glad you enjoyed you 😊

[@yvie925]

Thank you ❤

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

💚

[@soberplantguy]

I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa I hope you don't receive notifications from KZbin 😆 Your phone would be very busy this morning.....

[@Diane-ex1os]

Lmao , love your favorite Substrate yummmm. 😎 O boy it’s like you were reading my mind I was going crazy wondering if I should take my cuttings and and pot them there in Perlite roots look great but was afraid to go the next step. Thanks Dave for your advice as always 👍🏽and Happy Halloween 🎃 to you. ✌🏽

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

🎃 💚

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

Yes! Me too! I just took the plunge into a more permanent substrate for a few plants Dave sent me! They’re killing it! 🤗 So cool to start new, secret planty adventures!

[@soberplantguy]

I'm delighted that this was helpful *and* timely...! Thanks so much for the kind words, and for contributing 😊

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa I wonder if you have any New Hoya arriving today..... Best guess: yes.

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@@soberplantguy 💚💚💚

[@leannhillier-jv8wf]

Where can you find those pots. I’d love to try them. I do like Terra cotta but I’d love to try those. Another great video Dave! Love them! Thanks for always having great info!

[@soberplantguy]

The national chain I can find them at is Flowerama. They came down in price so drastically this year!

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

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[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa Thank you for the kind green heart 💜

[@helenesolomon]

Thanks for the good info. My Kalimantan took four months to make a leaf, using a thin acrylic support for it. Our Jennifer is finally growing like a weed. So happy. Peace to you.

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

I wish we could post pictures here. I’d love to see your Jennifer

[@soberplantguy]

I'm glad I stuck with it, but what a struggle 😂 Glad 'Jennifer' is doing well !!

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa I bet that could get *really* out of hand 😆

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@@soberplantguy Hmmm, why do you say that? 😆

[@Mav4jc]

Thank you, Miracle Plant Guy!

[@soberplantguy]

Holy cats!! Thanks so much--it really means so much ☺

[@karenquinn8166]

Thanks Dave for another helpful video.

[@soberplantguy]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! And they you for contributing 😊

[@lisaanglim9588]

Hello Dave! Looking forward to watching this video.

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

Hey girl, heeeey

[@soberplantguy]

I hope it didn't disappoint!

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa Oh, hello, it's you 😉

[@heatherstephens9295]

I so appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us Dave. This was super helpful & hearing you dispel the myths gives me confidence to give things a go 👍👍 My Jennifer is still alive 😂😂. I purchased this after watching one of your videos!! My Undulata is holding on (barely) but still have my fingers crossed for it. As you can tell I’m still pretty nervous with some of these varieties so your videos are super helpful & it’s great I can flick back to them to refresh my memory when I get stuck. Till next time, take good care of yourself 🤗🤗🇳🇿

[@soberplantguy]

Thanks so much for watching from soooo far away! I haven't added the undulata to my collection--yet. One for next year 😊

[@Mspoor70]

I was correct, great info , thanks so much 👏👏👏

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

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[@soberplantguy]

🤣 I'm glad that you enjoyed it!

[@paxleidig5327]

Ooooooh, I've been waiting for this one!

[@soberplantguy]

Hope it doesn’t disappoint 😊

[@Mspoor70]

Me too, and no it doesn’t disappoint …haven’t watched yet but I know already 😁

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@@soberplantguyyou never disappoint. Underwhelm, yes. 😆 😜 🤗

[@soberplantguy]

@@Mspoor70 I sooo love your optimism 😁

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa Let's get Kathleen to chime in on this one 🤣

[@aplantprocess]

I totally thought the roots had to fill up the pot for growth to take off. It’s what I heard from someone on KZbin that I love and it’s been my default perspective. What’s strange is that I have many Hoyas that have taken off right after I potted them (I tend to root them in water). Each time, I’ve been like what a neat exception to the rule 😂

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

So many myths to dispel! Fun! 😆

[@soberplantguy]

Ah, yes. One of *the* most repeated myths in the Hoya (socials) world. As noted, there are exceptions (and of course, I showed one withe the H. globulosa, and that's just an example that could be *me* specific). But my base line with Hoya is that they will grow fast and well from the beginning, and what can I do to promote that. Thanks for the nice comment 😊

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa I really should have included some footage from visiting my friend's greenhouse this summer with *thousands* of Hoya growing fast and well.... Ah well, next year 😁

[@faithewarren-agee5604]

Good info as usual, Dave!!!!!

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

🕷️ 🕸️ 💚

[@soberplantguy]

Thanks, Faith 😊

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa 👻

[@Tara-il6mj]

Happy Halloween from Cincinnati O🤗IO.🐸🔮Thanks Dave 👋🏼

[@soberplantguy]

Thank you! Hope to visit your lovely city someday soon 😊

[@brittneyswales47]

I’ve been binging your videos for the last 24 hours. Thank you for being so welcoming and genuine with your content and style. I recently become interested in Hoya and am 100% falling down the rabbit hole. If I may ask two questions, (I have many more but I want to be respectful of your time and generosity 😂) 1. I recently got some cuttings in what looks like a peat mix. How quickly should I get it out of that mix and into a more permanent substrate? 2. Where would I go to purchase Hoyas from you? Thank you!

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

You’re amazing! Welcome to the coolest KZbin channel in the world.

[@soberplantguy]

Oh, don't be respectful. Ask questions 😊 Personally, and you will come across this in my videos, or will see it very soon (because I hardly ever miss a chance to say it 🤣), I don't wait to put Hoya in my substrate. One, I want to know what the roots look like, and to know that I'm not introducing root mealies. I'm so likely to mess up watering in someone else's mix. It's just happened too many times--including very recently to my AH 'Black Magic' because I was saving repotting for a video. Rotted the roots straight off. That's not the advice you'll find on FB, but I know, and know of, many experienced growers who do exactly the same. Cheers from Iowa City 😁

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa In this case, I feel a little sorry for the KZbin world 🤓

[@brittneyswales47]

Thank you so much for answering so quickly! I’ll be repotting them when I get home from work then. I can’t wait to watch more videos!

[@soberplantguy]

@@brittneyswales47 I forgot to answer your other question. For plants, I can be reached at [e-mail]. I'm mostly getting ready for next year at this point, but if you've seen something you're interested in, let me know. Next year I intend to have a better shopping system available. That's the goal, anyway 😆

[@Mav4jc]

So glad I found your channel. I stopped listening to other youtubers and started following my own heart when my plants kept dying. Then you showed up, reaffirming what I've decided to do. Thank you. How do I get in on purchasing one of your plants? This is so wild. Did your ex marry mayor Shin? What's her style? LOL Be blessed. Peace. Be Kind, and remember... Stay Groovy Y'all.

[@soberplantguy]

Makes all the difference to trust your own experience, right?? As for plants, I'm pretty much working on next year at this point. But, if you saw something you need right this minute I can be reached at [e-mail] Thanks again for you super thanks, very kind of you. And to show how uncool I am, I didn't get the Mayor Shin joke. Neither did my wife, but she's not as cool as she thinks she is, either 🤣

[@lifeasme]

Where do you get those pots you keep speaking of? Love all your videos!

[@pudik2008]

I second that! 🌿🪴

[@soberplantguy]

@@pudik2008 I'll stop by my local nursery today and grab a few. If the barcode leads me to somewhere easier to find these than Flowerama, I will update you!

[@wootlesswocks]

Great video !

[@soberplantguy]

You always give such a generous review! I really appreciate all your support 🙂

[@wootlesswocks]

@ it’s very timely, as I transition some of my cuttings into larger containers. It’s where most of my losses happen, along with changing the substrate.

[@lisaanglim9588]

Except for you I’ve never heard, or seen basalt clay pots. Where do you find them?

[@soberplantguy]

Thrifting, and Flowerama so far. I'm going to try to find an online source for everyone. Stay tuned...

[@amymarshall1829]

For me, if I have something that is in a pot that is unstable, I will 100% up-pot it. Otherwise, I'd be looking at the situation that you had with your Obscura and a lot of uttered cuss words. When I got my Meredithii, she was in a little 3 oz cup. That cup had no chance of being upright with those big leaves. I up-potted her immediately and have actually had to up-pot her again since then. (Meredithii gets whatever she wants. She is a star.) Regarding Cao Bang . . . is every Globulosa FKA (formerly known as) Villosa actually Cao Bang? Or do you think that Cao Bang is just a variety of what was FKA Villosa? I think I was hoping the former was true, but now I'm thinking it's actually the latter. I really wanted a Cao Bang and bought a plant that the grower listed as Villosa. It's nice, but not as awesome as yours and Miro's. The leaves of mine aren't as large and rounded as yours. I have Cao Bang envy -- which I agree sounds like a personal problem. haha.

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

Um. Ngl, I struggled to comprehend this comment 😆 Can’t wait to know a lot more about everything! And thank you!

[@soberplantguy]

Oh, good. A question I can answer 🤣 The species villosa was reclassified to globulosa. Cau Bang is the region of this plant. You have probably seen/and or have the long leaf version (very often described as that). It is also known as the one from WMZ (Welsh Mountain Zoo), where it was cultivated. I have a preference for the one from the Cau Bang region for it's leaf shape, but they are both pretty 😊

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa You'll let me know if my explanation made sense, I hope 😁

[@amymarshall1829]

​@soberplantguy Thanks, Dave!! I have seen, but don't care for, the long-leaf Globulosa. I think it looks like a string of pickles. It is fair to say that I GREATLY prefer the leaf shape of the Cao Bang to its long-leaf sibling. 😊

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@@soberplantguy one would hope.

[@lorettastyles5523]

Great info Dave 👏. Most of the info on youtube are really balony. I get excited everytime you post as I know "more good info" 😊

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

Seriously- ALL of my plants are healthier thanks to Dave! Not just the Hoyas (who are living their best lives for the first time).

[@soberplantguy]

I'm glad I chose such and edgy word to describe it 😆 Thanks so much for the kind words!

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa Your plants look fantastic. I don't think I had anything to do with that 🤩 (Ok, I *know* I that I didn't)

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@@soberplantguy wrong. 😑

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa I'm trying to learn that not everything is about me. You're not helping.... 🙃

[@lisaanglim9588]

Ok, I’m jealous of your weather. We’re having a dreary day. Rained for four days. Now we’re gonna rain for four more. Only in the fifties. 😮

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

Oh Lisa. What are we going to do… probs buy more plants 😆 let’s be honest. Best medicine for the SADS if you ask me

[@soberplantguy]

I think you just sent a little our way, which is cool. I like a nice rainy Fall day or two 😊

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa But what if she had intended to stain the new living room plants shelves outside? What if that's the case?? (Or is this just very specific to me?)

[@lisaanglim9588]

@@hanstera_deliciosa you’re just plain weird

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@@lisaanglim9588 thank you so much!

[@lisaanglim9588]

I’m not comfortable going dry either.

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

This comment without context could mean so many things…. You’re an enigma, Lisa.

[@soberplantguy]

It's usually the danger zone, for sure....

[@soberplantguy]

Yes, yes indeed

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

Remind me to ask you about ‘Batcave’!!! I just remembered I want it… 😚 🤗

[@soberplantguy]

No, remind me 😁 That plant is doing fantastically well. Not just well, *fantasically well*

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@@soberplantguy ok! I will remind you if I remember 🤗

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@ I am reminding you to remind me.

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa Sure, I can take care of that now: don't forget to remind me.

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@ 🤗

[@kathleenwarner4046]

Thanks Dave! Please share the accession number of the Onchyoides (sp?).

[@soberplantguy]

It’s the AH-445. Not the one marked “New AH-445”

[@GreenWitch1]

What problems have you encountered with plastic pots? All of my plants are in clear plastic pots with aeration. I let all my plants dry out b4 I water. When I water, I really soak them. They’re all doing very well.

[@soberplantguy]

I tend to rot them. I just do not have good success. Most people do, I just don't. That's why I often say "Don't grow these like I do" 😆

[@LavenderDaisies]

Thanks for the information. I have a question that sounds just SOOOO dumb. I know. Please bear with me. How do you know when a Hoya is “thirsty”? I hear people say it all the time. Being new to Hoya, I’m not sure how to gauge that. With such chunky soil medium it’s not easy to read with a moisture meter. It’s not always accurate in the chunky soil medium. And YES, I’ve heard since before my 1st Hoya that they are like succulents and like to be DRY. And that I’ll root rot them if I don’t let them dry out. I know that isn’t your belief. I’m just trying to figure these Beautiful Plants out. I have quite a few Hoya that I have obtained in a very short period of time. Like 100+ in the past 5-6 months. I’ve lost 2. One was root rot. So that of course scared me to death. And I think I went the opposite of overwatering to perhaps under-watering. The other was right after a repot. I’m going to try the mix you are now using and see if I have better luck. I am typically and over waterer by nature. I have to show lots of restraint not to overwater. Just so you know my watering nature. I am not seeing much growth in any of my Hoya. I haven’t potted many of them up from their little 2-3 ounce cups. Again, didn’t realize I could with not a lot of roots. So this video was great. After your examples, I feel good about moving Many of them up to my cups like your square 2.9 inch or whatever they are. They are just like yours you put one of the last ones in. Maybe they aren’t growing being in their little starter cups, growing roots. They don’t look bad. They look “fine”, Healthy, just not growing. I hear Flat mites can be the issue. I don’t have a microscope yet. Hopefully someday soon. How do you treat for flat mites? Can I treat and see if it helps? I know there isn’t just one perfect answer for what I’ve asked and described. Hopefully you can give me an idea or 2 to get me going and Hopefully see some results. OH- I also have an IKEA cabinet. It’s got lights, keeps its humidity in the 80-90% generally just by having lots of plants in there. I do put a humidifier in occasionally if it’s lower. It has fans. But it still has the glass shelves. No wire or clear plastic ones they have now days. Most of my little ones are in one of the cabinets. So they get consistent light, humidity, heat etc. That’s all I can think of to give you information about that might help you help me! I appreciate your great videos and all I have learned the past week by watching you. Again, I’d appreciate ANY info and help you might give. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! 2025🎉

[@soberplantguy]

Actually, with the mix I use, chunky as it is, I have no problem using a single prong water meter (emphasis on *single* prong). Unquestionably there will be trial and error. Pot weight is good, but if you have a zillion different plants with different weights of pots, I find that only partially successful. I really do rely on that meter when in doubt. As for flat mites, I don't own a microscope. You will very easily see the cauliflower nubs left around the new growth to indicate that you have them. Personally, what more confirmation do I really need? 🤣 Sulfur is very popular and effective, as is PureCrop one for much more money. There are also speciality miticides available that I've never used, but friends tell me they're successful with. The key is this: don't give up treatment too soon. They have a very, very long life cycle, eggs taking many weeks to hatch, etc and so on. Good luck on your Hoya journey, I'm so happy to have you here!

[@loribeaulieu8529]

Can you tell me if you “buffer” your coco chips or just soak them prior to using?

[@soberplantguy]

Until recently, I never had, and have never had nutrient lockout like those pot growers are obsessed with talking about 🤣 But, I did have a bunch of plants that just looked so off, that I figured, why not try it. It made absolutely no difference because the problem was nutritional, but from root mealies. And there starts my spring/summer nightmare 😤

[@Cricri30047]

❤❤

[@soberplantguy]

💚🪴💚

[@yukimibarker7186]

Omg...chocolate

[@soberplantguy]

ok, thank you! I wondered if anyone was going to comment on my hilarious joke, or just assume I'm nuts and carry on with the video 🤣

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

🎃 💚

[@soberplantguy]

Did you notice the cool handmade pumpkins off to my back right?

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@ 😉

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa I hope it was kosher to put a real pumpkin in there?

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@ so much Kosher

[@soberplantguy]

@@hanstera_deliciosa Phew. Don't want to get on the wrong side of a crafter.

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

I don’t get the Jennifer…. Probably because I don’t have one…….

[@soberplantguy]

Without the specific clone I have, I probably wouldn't get it either. I think 'Germany' is probably one worth looking at, too, for that classic Hoya look. Or is the variegated carnosa the classic look?

[@hanstera_deliciosa]

@@soberplantguy I’m not sure!🤔