The Proud Family COLORISM Episode 🏠✌🏾👀

My reaction and review of The Proud Family Louder and Prouder Season 2 episode dealing with colorism. From Penny and Dijonay to LaCienega and Zoey, there comes a big division in their friendship over Noah. What did yall think? Let me know down below and please don't forget to comment, like and subscribe. Thank You!!!
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[@rudyolfschiermeister8167]

I just feel really sad for zoey. Her friends outright called her unattractive

[@TonyTurner]

They can be real nasty to her

[@FlyyGirl1000]

I couldn’t deal w/ the suppressed jealousy 🥴🤨 I’ll be damned.

[@quakerdx5435]

@@TonyTurner honestly, they can all be nasty to each other a good portion of the time.

[@AspiePilo82]

And Zoey was the 1 that ended up apologizing in the end. Absurd.

[@calmandfree]

@@AspiePilo82 Exactly, hell will freeze before I apologize. Especially when they called her a Red Hair Becky, I wish she apart from not going to the dance with him, wish she didn't rejoin their friend group immediately.

[@SerialDesignationaN]

They ain’t just a fake friend to Penny they are a fake friend to each other I felt bad for Zoey here

[@mangareader7474]

There all terrible

[@TonyTurner]

Thinking about it, Zoey was only just minding her business

[@SerialDesignationaN]

@@TonyTurner yep!

[@yanrokbowl28]

It's like they forget that Penny (and Zoey) ain't so above it all. But of course, let's throw all the darts at LaCienega, Dijonay and Maya only, right?

[@roadyfate9629]

I might need a memory refresher but. What's colorism?

[@jordanlaplante1131]

I'm confused so they're mad at the guy for having a preference to a type of girl that he likes but they were also willing to cheat on their boyfriends to be with a guy that they like.

[@sabrinamiller3671]

Ain't feminism grand? 😒

[@wintersupremacy]

@@sabrinamiller3671 This isnt really what feminism is about , lol

[@mikesta6337]

I don’t know why everyone is looking over this part tho🤦🏾‍♂️

[@irregulargamer1352]

Double standards. It's only ok when I do it.

[@sebastianhernandomunozrubi7131]

Because you know... Still haven't learn about accountability

[@KelShu]

I feel bad for Zoey in this episode, for her it wasn't about her skin color, it was about a boy showing interest in her; and the moment it happens her friends start hating on her, bad mouthing her behind her back, dissociates with her, and makes her feel like no guy would want to go out with her. I get why they are upset, but they didn't have to take it out on Zoey the way they did.

[@Freezient]

This. Lets remember that Zoey is considered the least attractive in their group. The show made it quite apparent with how they reacted to each others’ glow up in the first episode and when it comes to Zoey, all she got was some awkward/unsure looks from her friends and just “you got tall”

[@xlemzy]

Exactly that’s why I wasn’t 100% with them. They shouldn’t of went at Zoey like that and Penny should of said something about it but didn’t like how Zoey be doing to her in the past. So it’s like a different perspective and Penny and Zoey’s role was reversed in said scenario. They shouldn’t even of ghost her like that because of a boy, when in fact two of them are currently seeing someone and Michael is just too good for that.

[@killeryhiltons8499]

Isn’t that how most black women are lmao ..

[@cartoonking1789]

They were always trash friends

[@kezukivalentine5071]

​@@killeryhiltons8499 Only immature ones and its not limited to black people

[@LarryXLR]

Damn. They really did turn poor Zoey into a racial punching bag in this new series.

[@IronheartvsMiles]

White racism.

[@ryee5406]

FR one thing I loved about the orginal zoey was never seen as the mean white Gil or ignore the white girl or anything like that call pennys friends can suck a little at times but in the orginal she was just chilling 🤷‍♀️

[@maychongli5863]

Well now you know what white people have to go through nowadays

[@jessicamarie8299]

It’s kind of funny because they don’t realize they’re setting stereotypes against bl……: women for being bitter and jelly over whytte girls taking their men. 😂😂

[@natitavenegas2006]

And the Maya's white dad

[@briasinterlude1755]

This episode completely missed the mark for me. Yes, colorism is important to discuss, but the episode implies that Zoey is so unattractive that a conventionally handsome guy could only like her because of her race. Especially at the end where she only has Myron to dance with. There were also other white girls in the crowd, in the school, but the guy went straight to Zoey. Just poor execution. On another note, Penny and Djonay are terrible girlfriends lol.

[@TonyTurner]

That's what I also meant to say ‼ They used Zoey as a plot device and didn't really give her character justice when all she was doing was minding her business in that cafeteria. And Dijonay and Penny should be ashamed for that 😅

[@damarcusmcghee9900]

Noah was also straight up with Zoey about it. She asked and he was honest. But why was he interested in her specifically. She wasn't the only white girl available. She wasn't the first one he saw. Those questions would have changed the episode in a better way to me. Zoey was right to say they were jealous and wrong to treat her like that. Dijonay and Penny have boyfriends. Lacienaga can get any other guy she wants if she wasn't so focused on messing with Penny. Michael admitted he doesn't have a place in this issue. Maya just seems to be instigating. They just couldn't let Zoey win one time. She rarely ever gets something like this.

[@briasinterlude1755]

@@damarcusmcghee9900 It would’ve more effective if he had made a disparaging comment about black girls to Zoey and maybe Zoey was in denial or the gang found some old tweets. Noah generally needed more screen time to get a better idea of his character, rather than just hearsay about his preference.

[@hardondong3550]

This episode had a decent message but it was executed poorly.

[@purkle200]

Penny is truly like her Grandmother...

[@yanderefangirl8317]

This was painful to watch, but I did like that Myron asked Zoey to dance with him. And he reassured her that he finds her intelligence attractive, not her white skin.

[@TonyTurner]

It was sad Zoey started to doubt people's intentions with her but I'm glad Myron was there for her ‼

[@всемпривет-и1щ]

As someone with pale skin it hurt. It’s always tan white girls that get picked. And hearing someone say intelligence is attractive, NOT her white skin… ouch. WTF? stop putting lighter skin women down to empower black women, it’s ok to find white girls attractive and it’s ok to find black women attractive. Don’t put another down because you’re insecure.

[@Terranova57821]

@@TonyTurner hope Myron gets a growth spurt and glow up 👏

[@MsAlyssaB1]

Did they stay together? In the Bebe episode Myron's trying to give her a spiderman kiss and Zoey is waiting for it until Penny interrupts, I hope it's gets said they're dating.

[@FlyyGirl1000]

Myron was a last resort, bruh & you know it loll . They tried to push the whole “she needs to date in her league” narrative & that was BS . 🥴🤨💀💀💀🫠

[@AniDex]

My only issue is that they pulled the "lol you should be suspicious he asked YOU out because NO ONE ever asks YOU out lololololololol" card, and quite honestly? It's 2023; that joke needs to be left in the 90's.

[@TonyTurner]

Yeah, looking back they were cruel to Zoey and make it seem like she's so unworthy to date.

[@irregulargamer1352]

​@@TonyTurner which is funny because she seems the most chill and nice out of the whole group. This is relative though she does get wrapped up in being a shitty person herself at times.

[@Cheddar_Shred]

@@irregulargamer1352 100%

[@FlyyGirl1000]

Her friends were being super thirsty, pick-me’s, throwing themselves at that boy who wasn’t even checking for them. Their egos were popped lol

[@TonyTurner]

😅😅😅😅

[@enderclasscraft6411]

and then they say that women do not simping

[@baddiezone]

It’s so many woman who do that 😂

[@FlyyGirl1000]

@@baddiezone it’s pathetic 🥴💀💀

[@SerialChiller12101]

I wish this episode took a huge step in accountability and had Zoey’s friends apologize for directing their anger at her just because their ego’s were shattered. Also have Dijonay and Penny apologize for their behavior on how they completely disregarded their boyfriends feelings.

[@briasinterlude1755]

I also think it’s ironic how the show wants to tackle colorism, even though it’s been accused of perpetuating it in the past. I believe the only reason why Zoey was demonize was because the main character, Penny, and La Cienega would usually benefit from colorism.

[@TonyTurner]

Speak on it ‼ that's what I was saying too. It would've been more interesting to see the Noah choose Penny over Dijonay storyline 👀

[@briasinterlude1755]

@@TonyTurner Yeah it would’ve been. It’s just so weird, in context, that they both have boyfriends and LaCienega could’ve easily gotten to another boy to ask her to the dance. Yet they’re all acting so hurt lol! Honestly, they’re still perpetuating colorism when they choose the light skinned, fair eyed guy over their darker skinned boyfriends. I don’t know if that was intentional or not. 🤣

[@naebonnie]

Exactly you hit it right on the nose.

[@monca1222]

@@briasinterlude1755 This, but I never see anyone bring it up...

[@Sashakawaiicat]

They haven't stopped perpetuating it. Proud family for all its improvements in certain areas still has alot of issues with colorism.

[@ShiningSpecks]

All this proved to me is that Zoey and deserves better friends along with the two boys deserving better girlfriends.

[@IronheartvsMiles]

white racism

[@carriel9954]

Penny didn’t do anything. She told the girls in the phone call that it wasn’t zoey fault and that the guy probably liked zoey for herself. She’s the only one that stood up for zoey in the phone call and felt bad for how the other girls treated her. Did you see penny and Trudy face when the girls basically called zoey ugly? They were disgusted.

[@princeakeem7643]

@@carriel9954 didn’t she lie and tell zoey the princess party was off?

[@mirayzie]

Penny did basically thirst over Noah in front of Kareem, it wasn’t just djonay, and she did get upset at Zoe over it but was the first one to try to fix things, she’s not perfect and she’s not fully innocent, really the only one who didn’t do anything wrong was Zoe, and I say that because it wasn’t Zoe’s choice to have Noah only like her, and she didn’t gloat about it, or hold it over her friends that he did, she was just out there trying to exist, and given that she has the more nerdy look and it’s tall and gangly, she probably doesn’t get the attention from guys the rest of her friends do, I get they had penny and djonay crushing for humor and for how they were trying to tackle this issue but they didn’t do it justice they victim shamed the only innocent party then had her apologize for everything, when she hadn’t done anything wrong.

[@Lab-Gr0wn-Lambs]

I was kinda confused why they were so mad at *Zoey* right off the bat, because Zoey wasn't even there for the initial "he only dates white girls" conversation. Like, as soon as she heard about it at the party and had time to cool off from the fight she dropped him immediately after confronting him about it. I feel like they shoulda had Zoey actually hear Maya's original comment about Noah's colourism, then choosing not to believe it. They acted like she should have *known* he'd only be into her because she's white, because.... She's obviously not desirable for any other reason? That's actually just horrible. I liked the episode and the themes a lot, the way they took is so seriously, the acting, the realistic conflict... All great stuff! But the way they treated Zoey as the bad guy rather than Noah didn't really sit right. (also what the fuck, poor Kareem?? Like are they dating or *not* jeez lmao)

[@thatrandomgirl4574]

Fr!!!!

[@meimeilei]

Also, Maya in the very first episode confronted Penny and girls for being shallow. Her accusations in the episode were also shallow!

[@soarixchannel5265]

Like Kareem is such a cute and sweet guy, you can tell he loves Penny but she was being so disloyal

[@Pheep5671]

They really leaned into her like she should have known better than to think he liked her because she was beautiful or interesting. They didn't explain, try to talk, just demonized her over demonizing him. Penny tries to get them to talk but all she really does is allow Dijonay to berate her for having no other reason he would be into her. She stood by and advocated for them to berate Zoey. All while- as he said- two of them have boyfriends??? This was UGLY. The wrong way to tell this story or talk about this stuff. They really were just jealous and went off the deep end over it possibly being racially motivated and forgot their WHOLE FRIEND as immediately as they forgot their boyfriends.

[@TheNeos07]

@@Pheep5671 my thoughts exactly. And I just wish someone had asked Dijonay and Lacienga if they would be acting this way if that Noah boy wasn't a celebrity. To me they're just being petty and cruel not because of colorism but because they're envious and denying why this really bothers them.

[@jasminecarter9594]

Now I’m a black girl who mainly has a preference for white guys but I’ve dated other races before too and honestly I see what they were trying to go for but they missed the mark. There’s a difference between having a preference and just not messin with a whole race entirely. They did zoey dirty in this episode and she should have called them out and dropped the group. Poor girl ain’t even know there was an issue and they went for her head! Two of them already got boyfriends so they shouldn’t have gotten twisted in the first place over the wrong thing!

[@Bbmoney244]

Exactly. Instead of explaining the situation, Black women just attack. You can't expect white women, Zoey, to understand certain things all the time. And if she's your friend, knowing she's white, you explain to her what the issue is. Not attack or get mad at her for some ignorant guys "preference".

[@imyourdaddy5822]

Seriously why were they mad? Were they actually upset Zoey got the guy when they already have boyfriends? That makes them look even worse now they're cheaters AND bad friends.

[@Bbmoney244]

@imyourdaddy5822 but maybe the creator wanted to prove that point. That bw even though they have a bf. If he goes with a white woman, that's it. They're angry. No matter what, which is sad.

[@pigidly]

I’m a white guy with a preference in black girls… been married now for 7 years and dating for 15 with my black wife.

[@trxphywaifalt]

@@Bbmoney244 I can’t relate to the personally, as a teen darker skinned black girl who also dates white guys. But I see this a lot, black women for some reason get so angry when white girls date black men. For the life of me I never understand why

[@plushy2865]

This episode was HORRIBLE, they took out their anger on Zoey who can't control that she's white and only went off of the rumors, nothing was conformed from him until she said he did admit it at the table scene. I do agree that they were just jealous and going off of rumors and took it out on Zoey. LaCienega implies at the conflict scene at the princess party that Zoey cannot get a date at all and that really hurts. Zoey has never had a chance to shine and find a love of her own, she's just some "ugly" girl in the friend group. I feel that Zoey could have found out the colorism on her own instead of her friends shunning her out of the friend group and hurting her for something she has no control over. This episode was ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE AND IT MAKES ME SO MAD. Made the woman the villain as always.

[@Uhh352]

Duh, the only way to defeat racism is with more racism /s Absolute garbage from Disney as usual, sad we can’t just teach kids to treat everyone the way they want to be treated. Lying to children about non-existent differences in race is beyond idiotic. Side note; it’s hilarious that you can look at disneys stock price and pinpoint when they started aligning with race-grifters

[@dimitrimoore3319]

I agree definitely

[@IronheartvsMiles]

Whites are racist and enjoy being racist.

[@Antidragon-nl7by]

Horrible in relation to the show, or in general? Because the entire reboot has been a painful mess.

[@burlapjack1464]

They were villains tho, not Noah's fault lmao

[@yesikanarvaez5027]

Still how they reacted and treated Zoey who wasn't trying to hurt anyone

[@TonyTurner]

Right, they sometimes fumble when it comes to writing the conflict scenes. Zoey was just minding her business honestly

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

This show is always so damn mean

[@marissawilson4644]

Yea but she did seem oblivious at first.

[@Neku628]

@Xbox One Did this show forget about Duke? Wasn't he Zoey's boyfriend in the original? Why did the show write him out?

[@TrenchMan93]

@Xbox One i was expecting that, like maybe he isolates her from her friends and then tries to hit her. Showing not only is he colorist, but also a cold hearted monster who uses and manipulates others. Something that someone like zoey sadly falls for due to lack of self esteem.

[@funandlala]

A great storyline would've been Zoey dating the boy and gradually becoming disgusted by the way he speaks about black girls and realizing he's incredibly shallow and superficial and doesn't like her for her personality just her skin. He would probably make Zoe really uncomfortable with his comments towards her friends and she'd grow from the situation when she's has enough of his colorist views. The episode should've never been attempted if they were going to handle the situation so horribly. In the end, The POC just seemed jealous by directing their anger towards the wrong person and Zoey ended up apologizing even though she was mostly kept out of the loop. :(

[@Tha90sKid]

Yess!! 🎯 They totally missed the mark here 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@wiardikijne5158]

💯So right. And it happens too. This episode made the black girls look toxic, jealous, promiscuous and bigoted.

[@brebre23461]

Yes this is much better! It would be a much better episode I was also thinking this myself!

[@EliasJWhite]

Yes, that would've been much better! As it stands, the episode tells us the boy is a bad person without actually showing us. That's just bad writing!

[@funandlala]

@@EliasJWhite I'm glad you agree, Elle, Briana and 90s kid ♡

[@BloodySkullx]

What I dislike most about the episode was how Zoey's friends responded to the situation, with hate. You know I've been watching this show since it first aired way back when and I've always known that these 'friends' aren't really friends. Yet they try to convince you they are but as soon as something breaks the status quoe they instantly jump on each other, I've heard arguments about it being more realistic and I just wonder what type of friends people had when they were growing up because I dropped people that were like LaCienega, Dijonay, Maya,ect. No one should settle for friends like these. Even Penny has her own problems but at least she's likeable! Especially characters like Michael (and Maya) who's supposed to be the gay inclusive but acts like a diva stereotype and then they dress him up as Pocahontas? Indigenous communities have been trying to get Disney to stop using Pocahontas for decades and it's honestly a slap in the face. I like that they want to cover topics like this but the characters all suck, the message is muddled and isn't clear what exactly the problem was. I'm not saying they can't have the others hate on Zoey for what is clear miscommunication, but the problem is that they made it 'her' problem when she didn't even understand what the problem was. Because shes the 'white' girl, she can't possibly understand anything even if we try to explain it to her in a round about way instead of just outright saying why it's a problem that the guy only likes white girls. They just dumped her like they didn't care at all. They didn't even apologize! I get what they were going for but the episode missed and was messy.

[@SARADAISNOTUCHIHA]

*cough cough* the term i believe you are looking for good sir or madame, is TWO FACED. Not all the time, like you explained but you get the point. I dislike Lacienaga and Unfortunately Dijonay and Sticky the most.

[@SARADAISNOTUCHIHA]

@BloodySkullX

[@IronheartvsMiles]

white racism is the problrm

[@lexyruse603]

Honestly Micheal in the original show was a sweetheart. While I find him funny in this show, they completely changed his personality. I guess maybe you could argue the bullying and finally standing up for himself changed him, but idk. While his original character definitely had some stereotypes, it wasn't over the top. Although I still catch myself laughing when Micheal says "Hi Mr. Proud!"

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

He should have dressed up as Jasmine, or as Ariel in her pink or blue dress. 😭

[@hannahdavis5725]

The lack of communication or trying to get Zoey to understand and just tearing her down is what really bugs me. I get it, people get really frustrated with having to explain things but at the same time it's incredibly difficult to actually rectify the situation when you legitimately don't understand what's going on and all you're getting is hate from it making it even worse and putting you on the defensive. Especially since Zoey is already the punching bag at times and from her point of view, it probably felt like someone liked her for her.

[@IronheartvsMiles]

Whites are racist and understand.

[@Smarty2able]

But who cares? If Penny and DIjonay have a man, why do you care about someone else's preference? They're hypocritical for liking NOah and so let Zoey have her cake too.

[@TonyTurner]

That's what I was saying too ‼ They already had boyfriends but was worrying about what Noah thought of them 🤔

[@Smarty2able]

@@TonyTurner and honestly I feel like the episode was good because some of us have friends like that. They're never satisfied even if they have their own thing going on when it comes to relationships. So it's like the bigger picture is why can't they see that Zoey is just as worth it to date like the rest of them someone who Is attractive. Because she's always supposed to be the outcast of the group? Nooo

[@saralane7413]

Y’all are still treating racism as a preference. It’s disgusting.

[@TheDatabaseNetwork]

That's the one thing of that episode I didn't get. Don't Penny and Dijonay have boyfriends? I get it's like a celebrity crush, but don't the boys have a say in this?

[@FabschOblivion669]

@MissDiamond exactly. Nobody would bat an eye at a black man saying “I only date black/dark-skinned women”, but it’s racist if he says “I only date white/light-skinned women”. I hate double standards

[@Danny_Does_Drawings]

Zoe made a good point about Myron. The only reason they got upset over Noah was because he was conventionally attractive. If Myron had the same reasons I doubt they would have taken it so personally. Noah is definitely shallow but they really did Zoe dirty.

[@nova3617]

Noah: OH NO HE DATING Zoey BECAUSE HE ONLY DATES WHITE GIRLS!!!!! Myron: Meh.

[@thetruesoulofanaquarius9302]

Colorism is definitely real. Notice how the lightskinned black girl and the Latina girl feelings were beyond hurt because they weren't chosen.Not realizing this happen to us brown/darkskinned girls on a regular basis.We hardly ever get chosen over the lightskinned women, white women, Latina women Asian women etc. Another thing Penny the lightskinned character was coddled and got affection from her Suga Mama due to her feelings being hurt. The darkskinned character/girl feelings are usually ignored and told to get over it.

[@azazelgrigori9244]

Would you like to go to the Valentines dance with me?

[@yesikanarvaez5027]

Seems more shallow than it is about colorism

[@thetruesoulofanaquarius9302]

@@yesikanarvaez5027 yes it is part shallow too.

[@TonyTurner]

@@yesikanarvaez5027 It seems like both. Specifically canceling out other races just for one.

[@samueldystany]

I didn't even watch the show , yet .. how Penny is upset when she already had a 'boyfriend " so she was going to dropped her boyfriend for a one night dance.

[@Kardel_VA]

They treated Zoey so badly that it was down right heart wrenching. The girls acted so selfish, notnto mention the disrespect to their own boyfriends.

[@enderclasscraft6411]

If I had a girlfriend and she left me for a guy she doesn't know and is famous who has never heard of her whom I tried to kiss in public, she can already be considered banned from my life, I do value myself and I'm sure that if she did that she would be unfaithful to me

[@drewhaynes1874]

I think they should've handled it better. I don't think they should've been mad at Zoey. They should've called out the "preference" as just discrimination there shouldn't be a "preference" for skin tone. They did more demonizing to Zoey than the actual issue Feel like the og show would've dug into it and explained why it was a toxic and unhealthy mindset

[@yesikanarvaez5027]

I know right? Also is choosing a lady for her age considered colorism?

[@TonyTurner]

I felt like they were close to coming up with a better plot but lost it along the way, and right I wish they just dug a lil deeper ‼

[@drewhaynes1874]

@@yesikanarvaez5027 ? Age and colorism aren't related....

[@marissawilson4644]

For girls that age, it is realistic.

[@Firebreakerhayes6904]

You're so right they should have done more on the topic

[@adrielayson749]

Bruh watching this episode was so hard... cause they blamed Zoey for something out of her control. How come no one got on the guy's case for having a preference? I get it they're kids, but it doesn't give a good message about how to tackle colorism. I especially hated how Maya is supposed to be this righteous character yet she can't practice what she preaches to everyone. Only her gain or specific people lmao.

[@TonyTurner]

It would've been much better if Noah chose Penny over Dijonay. That would've created a bigger conversation around colorism within the black community. The writers used Zoey as the scape goat easy way out.

[@funkydanieluk]

The guy finds white girls attractive....why is that bad?

[@donttalktomeyoureannoying8736]

@@TonyTurner I agree 100%. Zoe was a copout to skirt along the lines of the issue without really being direct

[@IronheartvsMiles]

white racism is bad

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

@@TonyTurner Or if they chose Lacienega over Penny and Dijonay. It's not about colorism so much as it's about racism and misogynoir. But the thing is that Dijonay and Penny already have boyfriends!!! Why do they care that a guy doesn't want to date them because they are Black?! Their boyfriends are handsome Black men who genuinely love them!!! They could've just made it about Lacienega and Michael(and make the boy bisexual) instead of whatever this mess was. Idk, I'm just...at a loss for words here. 😭

[@dallasbad89ify]

I felt bad for zoey. She didn’t realize what was happening and they came at her all the way wrong.

[@calmandfree]

Just dogpiling on the poor girl, even Maya of all people whose whole personality trait is explaining to people why they are in the wrong.

[@marissashantez6051]

She should have just dated him. Wether or not he preferred white girls he was attracted to her. Why wouldn't he be? Men love red hair and freckles on a cute girl.

[@IronheartvsMiles]

i feel bad because the white racism

[@xElmaniix]

​@@marissashantez6051 It's the same way a lot of people don't want to date those who'd fetishize them for one aspect or another. Many prefer to be with someone who will like them for who they are. Not because their skin is a specific color, etc. After all, Zoey dating him would've been a complete loss for her. Since the guy wouldn't have cared about who she is as a person. I mean, did you see how fast he jumped to the next person on his list? Absolutely no hesitation, which means he didn't like her that much. And Zoey deserves someone who will actually love her. Plus I'm proud of Zoey, she at least had the courage to ask him. Unlike the chickens, she calls "friends" who felt it was easier to pick on someone completely out of the loop than potentially get hurt by hearing it straight from the horse's mouth.

[@marissashantez6051]

@@xElmaniix The whole "fetishized" thing sounds awfully thin. Anyone who is with you likes you for you. And you are made up of your parts. One of those parts is your skin color, your hair color, your style, your voice....and Zoey dating him wouldn't have been any kind of loss. Obviously he chose her. he had choice of other girls with white skin, so he found HER attractive. Why would he jump to the next person if she rejected him for no good reason? What is he supposed to do? Mope? They didnt have a relationship. Any normal non stalker would basically do the same. Like "Youre not into it, some else will be" I suppose at least she did ask him. The only way this episode could be good is if she started dating him, and stopped hanging out with the gan really.....but the funny part is that the show uses her as a stand in for how they feel white people should act. The show kind of has a fetish.

[@popcultureoverdosed]

I feel like this episode could've been done better. The girls had no right to be mad at Zoey and having a preference isn't always the same as being colorist.

[@halonostalgiatheater7440]

They literally ARE jealous, that's the point. I don't like how they turned it around to just be cruel to Zoey without any repercussions

[@Deadman6]

I think the worst part of the episode is the petty, jealous friend group is vindicated for their god awful behavior. Not even the adults try to step in and say how awful they were being, they were just as equally outraged as them.

[@Takejiro24]

The fact that Penny and Dijonay both already had boyfriends while doing.....this will not sit right with me. Like.....girls, your boyfriends are right there and you are deliberately broadcasting how little they actually mean to you by openly going after another guy. With Dijonay acting like this, I'm not surprised; I can take it or leave it. But....Penny? The same girl who's been practically on her hands and knees asking her father for permission to finally date boys? And she finally gets one (a GOOD one at that) and this is how she treats him? Wow. Just.....wow. I'm glad this didn't really have any permanent consequences because what would even be the point of those times of convincing Oscar?

[@TonyTurner]

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[@Bizarrebrilliance]

Several times in the season, they showed how the women in the show weren't loyal & were hypergamous. They never once showed any of the men they were dating thirsting after another girl. The writers of the show did a great job of presenting how the youth of today interact with each other. Even in the original series, it showed how Zoey was Penny's only real friend. Although she wasn't as interesting & didn't have as much personality like the others, she showed the most loyalty.

[@JaxBox1]

With Penny It didn’t fit her character either

[@Just_niaxx]

Thank you!!!

[@mikesta6337]

Yup, and this is just a cartoon. It happens in real life all the time and its probably gonna get worse.

[@TheNeos07]

While colorism is a serious issue that we as Black people have had to deal with on many levels, it feels like the episode could've done things better. First off, it's understandable to be attracted to a celebrity, but Penny and Dijonay were wrong to push Kareem and Darius to the side to get with Noah. Lord knows if the boys had done something similar to that they would've been called out on it. Secondly, Maya shouldn't have been repeating something that for all they know could have just been a lie. And thirdly, it was so wrong for them to dump on Zoey because of Noah's behavior, which again they could have been wrong about. While Noah did turn out to be someone with preferences that are wrong, Dijonay and Lacienga treating Zoey like she just doesn't get "it" was just wrong and they come off blaming the victim card and hurting a friend. Honestly, this episode was emotional rollercoaster that could've done better. And another thing that's frustrating is that no one calls out Penny, Lacienga, and Dijonay for their behavior or even Noah, who was just a plot device, for why he dates white girls just for being white.

[@sixfeetundertheradar6080]

They also never told Zoey about him only dating white girls so she had no clue it could be anything BUT jealousy until the princess party. Had they just told her what Maya’s cousin said Zoey things would’ve been much better

[@Cobra3111]

As a black guy myself why is it wrong that he prefers white girls to black girls? I mean if you just find them more attractive it's his business. If all you see is colour and only and not the woman then yeah that's messed up. Speaking of that I mean if only the colour matter only and not about how you click because you could rather date a race you find better looking and still turn down someone of that race because you guys didn't click and that's fine too.

[@MrSophire]

Cobra so true, I never seen Penny nor any of the other girls being attracted to people who were not black. Do black woman have such low self esteem that they need everyone to be attracted to them. People can’t help who they are attracted to. I am Hispanic, I never colorism in the Hispanic community but I am not living in Mexico, so I wouldn’t know. Plus the Girls only liked him because he was famous, how is that not as equally bad.

[@itsmiffymel]

@@Cobra3111 You answer your own question with your 3rd sentence. Just wanna let you know.

[@itsmiffymel]

@@MrSophire Not all black women have low self-esteem but you do have to realize that there's a society reason, especially with beauty standards/colorism/etc., that still affects not just black women but men as well. Just because you don't experience colorism in the hispanic community doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Colorism is very real.

[@nymbus4376]

It's just a personal preference some people have when pursuing a romantic relationship. I'm half Latino and I've always preferred darker skin women over lighter skin. There will always be people who read to much into this preference for all the wrong reasons.

[@TonyTurner]

Thanks for sharing your perspective ‼

[@denisewilliams8708]

While I commend them for trying to do a episode on colorism, there were just way too many problematic things that drowned out the message. First off, colorism is the discrimination against those with darker skin tones, typically among people of the same ethnic or racial group. A colorism episode would’ve made more sense if Noah only liked light skin girls. Secondly, Penny and Dijonay had boyfriends. Boyfriends that were into them and actually darker in skintone than Noah. So it made them look very unrootable and hypocritical to be angry at Noah for not wanting to date them(when they already had boyfriends). This made no sense. And lastly, Zoe was not told that he only date dated white girls. So for them to be mad at her more so then the guy made no sense. If Zoe had been in on the conversation, but still wanted to press on thinking that that wasn’t the case, then I could see. But she was not.

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

I've only heard fans describe it as the "colorism episode" not the writers themselves. So it sounds like the fans don't know what colorism is.

[@ashi4274]

This was a serious topic and a horrible way to go about it. Extremely shallow and demonised the wrong individual. This was about insecurity, jealousy, and selfishness more than ANYTHING. Wow with friends like those who needs enemies? It makes you question what kind of morals is this show pushing out disguised underneath social justice themes…idk

[@TonyTurner]

Yeah I think they took it too easy on Noah's character and was harsh to Zoey for no reason. She was just minding her business. They had a great set up but not the best execution

[@madired3382]

Honestly, they shouldve been mad at Noah but instead they were mad at Zoey, trashed her behind her back and excluded her from the party they've been having for years. Like wtheck? Support your girl, who has a guy interested in her for once. They were litteraly shocked that someone could like her. They couldnt be support for ten minutes? I mean Penny tried, but she couldve been a little louder, cause we've seen it. Proud family can talk about major issues all they want but if you ask me, the main issue in this series is this toxic friendship they have..

[@TonyTurner]

The toxic friendships and mistreatment is a real problem especially in the original show

[@jasminecarter9594]

@@TonyTurner oh it totally was! They’re all fake friends.

[@laurenmungaray3912]

Wth did Noah do? They already had boyfriends but they wanted Noah to ask them out? Having a preference isn't a bad thing..

[@MsBrendalina]

This episode would have been so much better if Zoey was the one with the conflict. Like, Noah casually says something disparaging about Black girls to her. And she's taken aback. But she's also conflicted because she likes getting attention from this handsome celebrity because she normally feels ugly and undesirable. And then her friends hear about it somehow and are angry at her FOR A VALID REASON because they're hurt she let Noah's comments slide. This would have allowed the conflict to happen without making all the POC girls look like jealous jerks and without demonizing Noah simply for choosing Zoey as his date

[@meimeilei]

Penny and Dijonay have boyfriends. If they were concerned that some suspicious guy likes their FRIEND, they should talk to her and not get angry at her. They in some way offended her, saying that she has nothing to bring in the table other than her skin color, since she is not as pretty as them. They made it look like they are just jealous of Noah, when the episode should focus on the problem from a real perspective, not some teenage dating drama. Zoey hangs out with them - as the only white girl in the group. They should already guess that she might be naturally into who they are - a non-white man. So, this actually makes it look like she was the one liking Noah and they felt that "their man" was taken by someone who is not them. But it's Zoey who is with them and not that actor...

[@TonyTurner]

Honestly, I agree ‼ at first, they made it seem like Zoey was being stubborn and not listening but she was just going with the flow. Penny and Dijonay already having boyfriends just made them look stupid acting like that

[@meimeilei]

@@TonyTurner Yeah exactly, you're right

[@purkle200]

Penny is basically the unintentionally unsympathetic trope (this applies to both Suga Mama and Trudy as well). The show wants you to feel sympathetic to them but it's hard due to all 3 being extremely toxic. Then there are character's like Oscar, Papi, and Zoey who the show wants you to dislike and view them in the wrong depending on the episodes narrative but that falls flat when all three despite their individual flaws seem to always get unfair treatment. Papi (Suga Mama needs to learn about boundaries and that no means *NO* and be called out for her abuse and not it be sweeped under the rug as some poor attempt to be like "See! She loves her son deep down but is hard him to push forward!") which all know is completely nonsense.

[@IsleofJaya]

When I was 3-4 years old in Day Care there was this Hispanic girl passing out stickers. I asked her if I could have one and she told me no because she didn't like the color of my skin (my mom describes it as caramel colored). I didn't understand until I was much older what that meant. It never bothered though.

[@TonyTurner]

Smh ‼ That's just ridiculous. Thanks for sharing that

[@kaykaysparkles8951]

I’m so sorry 😞

[@kaykaysparkles8951]

It’s sad that this happens

[@joebaumgart1146]

I had a lady at work who I used to be cool with until she saw me give a high five to a sweet little Black boy and said to me "Now you got to wash your hands, you just touched a niglet!." I immediately had her fired. I cursed her out in front of everyone. That behavior is disgusting to a grown adult, let alone an innocent child. Racist white people assume anyone who looks like them must think like them. For all the horrible things they say to your face, they tell us a lot worse about you.

[@laurenmungaray3912]

That's so rude....

[@luluzin5022]

The message falls flat because the two girls who already have boyfriends would rather go to the dance with a guy who has lighter skin. Calling out Noah's colorism in that situation is hypocritical because they are doing the exact same thing.

[@dazziegby7801]

That was a clever way to say colorism goes both ways, with Penny and Dejanae even having a thing for that light skinned performer even over their own boyfriends. This was such a smart episode! Making me want to get back into the new Proud Family because I really fell off.

[@TonyTurner]

Both new seasons really have some great episodes ‼

[@TonyTurner]

@I Love God Amen Both ways in that Penny and Dijonay were showing it to their darker skinned boyfriends for favoring Noah over them. If Noah looked like Myron, they wouldn't have cared.

[@TheFool12-12]

It was not at all a smart episode. It was pure propaganda "slaves built this country" like gtfo. Black people gotta stop playing victim and telling lies.

[@TonyTurner]

@I Love God Amen That's what I'm saying. It affected their boyfriends who are darker skinned

[@TonyTurner]

@I Love God Amen Nobody ever said it went both ways skin tone wise. We were saying it went towards the boyfriends too.

[@718Films_]

Zoey still apologizes at the end even when she the victim of thinking guy genuinely liked her for her.

[@A-TALKING-TOASTER]

The writers of that show or making himself look like a bunch of petty ass monsters A bunch of old blk boomers telling young blk girls how to act

[@johnpattison6744]

Watching it again I realised that Noah disappeared after the cafeteria scene, he only shows up again at the end without any lines of dialogue. They could have cut down the sugar momma storyline to make more room to explore noahs psyche and his interactions with zoey, or had it be a flashback for when sugar and penny talk.

[@TonyTurner]

EXACTLY ‼ Love Suga Mama but her storyline was real unnecessary

[@kanchomerocks12]

This episode is a perfect example of my feelings towards The Proud Family as a whole. I can see the writing team's passion in the way they're perfectly willing to address topics like this without a filter on. But the execution just drags it down real hard for me and prevents me from actually liking the series. For a show that gets as preachy as this one, it's way too comfortable treating other very serious topics like child neglect, toxic friend groups and physical abuse as entertainment fuel. And it expects me to take take the side of characters who are honestly awful people. I'm just not gonna feel bad for people like Dijonay and LaCienaga when they are consistently terrible. And Sugah mama often being presented as this wise cool grandma never sat right with me because she has been established to have been a terrible parent towards Oscar, constantly favoring his brother while neglecting, belittling and beating him all his life, and yet somehow we're often meant to laugh at Oscar getting disrespected and beaten. Similar issues plague this episode. It paints Noah as the bad guy for only dating white girls, but he never actually goes out of his way hurt anyone, he's never mean or even dishonest. His biggest crime is being shallow, while the gang except for Penny were constantly shit talking Zoey and planned to kick her out of the group behind her back and have constantly done terrible things in the past themselves, especially Dijonay and LaCienaga. It's good that Zoey stopped going out with Noah, but realistically she should have also cut ties with everyone in the group except for Penny.

[@Jay-gurl]

Honestly I'm not sure what to make of this episode. Yes, Nolan only dating Zoey because she's white and nothing else (not even caring enough to go to a dance alone suggesting he really didn't care as much as Zoey) is wrong. A type or a prefrence doesn't mean dating just a skin color but a type of personality and person. A guy can have a thing for red heads but still likes a girl for who she is in addition to looks. However, its BS none of the girls are called out for blaming Zoey for the situation. They should have asked Nolan and if confirmed, than tell Zoey so she can make her own choice. Zoey did nothing wrong and was subject to something shallow and narrow-minded yet she's the one ganged up on by her supposed friends. It's cruel. I will say though, colorisum is such a touchy subject because rather we want to admit it or not, most of us do have a prefrence to a skin tone. Personally I've never dated a person of darker skin tone and don't know if I ever will simply because they aren't whom I immedatly gravitate towards. Same for our darker peeps. Most of em do tend to date close to the same culture simply because it's familiar or what they feel drawn towards. Nothing wrong with that. But if only dating white is colorist, than only dating your ethnicity is too. So.. yeah. It's a subject that's hard narrow down simply because we all do tend to like onec type verses another. Still, I love the show tried to address it so future girls can be aware of it.

[@TonyTurner]

Hmmm...interesting analysis 👀 Thanks for sharing ‼

[@yanrokbowl28]

I know. Imagine if the episode was done the same way, with Zoey as black, and the other girls as white.

[@kikiblue7169]

the thing is the moment one of zoey's friends looked at her and said "when has ANYONE ever asked YOU out?" was the moment any feelings for them went out the window, not one of them called that out during or after? some friends. Also the fact the girls were flirting with that guy with their boyfriends AT THE TABLE doesn't sit right with me either. The guys should not have to just be ok with that. Why didn't they break up with them right there.

[@DeadricSummoner]

I think a lot of people really missed some things in the episode even what you’ve pointed out. - Hating on Zoey only caused a divide in the group. Under normal circumstances no one is going to stay in a friend group if they all designated you as unattractive. - Penny and Dijonay had WHOLE BOYFRIENDS and ignored their existence for the actor and was pressed over his preference which is something a lot of people are guilty of. I’ve actually retired from the whole talking point simply because whenever I’m in talks with women desirability politics is brought up and it looks like you’re settling for someone outside of what you really want and let’s be honest here, those are the first to jump ship at the slightest opportunity which is why a lot of men prefer to disengage in desirability politics in general. - Colorism is often an annoying topic because it’s more so about dating, but a lot of darker skinned people grew up being called ugly by grown ass adults.

[@L0c4l_Idi0t6]

This might be a bit long here so bear with me. Nothing is wrong with not being attracted to people of your own race/people of a specific race. My main issue is when the person with their racial preferences displays blatant racism towards not only other races they aren't attracted to, but their own as well. Here though, that isn't really the case. Noah did not outright disrespect Penny and her friends. I also think that Zoey did not deserve the treatment from her so-called friends either. It's even worse knowing that Dijonay and Penny have boyfriends. Zoey deserved better. If this episode wanted to tackle colourism, they should have focused on Penny and Trudy maybe...

[@MsBrendalina]

I really hated this episode because it absolutely fails at its attempt to educate about colorism. It blames Zoey for Noah's preferences (which goes along with the sexist trope that girls are responsible for the behavior of the boys around them). And it makes colorism look like a joke by distilling it down to "the POC girls are salty that ONE boy picked their dorky White friend over them". Episodes like this are what happen when middle aged men are hired to write teenage female characters. LOL

[@TonyTurner]

Honestly, the writers really didn't dig deep enough and used Zoey as a scapegoat

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

My question is how is it the “colorism” episode. He didn’t only like lightskin girls. He only liked white girls. Plain and simple.

[@jillevers1432]

I can see it’s the issue, I just hate how they have to make Zoey a subject issue for this. (They done it towards Penny on other things so yeah it hurts 😢) Zoey been there for all of them with every serious issue, and I just hate bullies. Also thanks for bringing up the boyfriends, they have to show how girls who are with them and hit on other guys and not how the others feel. If you ask me, I think this episode is really showing how a girl can feel, and not a boy. Boys have feelings too.

[@TonyTurner]

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[@clarissawestbrook2203]

The Proud Family was one of my favorite kid's shows growing up in the 2000's. It's great they have some episodes that focus on real world issues such as colorism. Colorism is a huge issue especially in the black community. It needs to end. I commend them for tackling this issue. All shades are beautiful and worthy of admiration.

[@TonyTurner]

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[@darkmask5933]

The flaw with that logic though is people are allowed to have preferences even if you don't agree with them, Noah was never rude, he never said "no thanks I don't date dark girls", he just asked out the girl he had a preference towards. Elephant in the room, but notice Michael also shot his shot with Noah at the start "I'm Michael and I'm the baddest bitch", yet no one is demonizing Noah for not being willing to date a boy ... because that would be silly. Noah does not owe anyone a date to prove he's not racist. The girls had every right to feel hurt over being rejected, but not to lash out because of it.

[@patilly100]

@@darkmask5933 THIS!

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

@@darkmask5933 *rolls eyes* You don't see the obvious difference between sexual orientation and only being willing to date white girls? 🤦🏿‍♀

[@darkmask5933]

@@imthebossmermaid3648 I'm saying there's nothing you can do about it, and the healthy thing is to just treat him or her as not being good enough for you and move on. It doesn't matter I'd they won't date you because your the "wrong" skin color, too fat, wrong gender, you cannot do anything about it and they aren't worth your time, because even if they just don't like you, they don't owe you what's in their pants.

[@FireMadeFleshII]

I guess they can only cover so much in a 22min episode, but like you said, I wish they expanded more on the boyfriends' feelings & how/why they just accepted Penny & Dijonay back after that Noah thing. Imagine if the roles were reversed & their bfs were sweatin' another female the same way they were despite her popularity on a TV show.--And imagine if Noah was actually attracted to Penny or Dijonay...what then?

[@TonyTurner]

Right ‼

[@EdwardNewgate58]

That was something that also I kinda hated about the OG show as well. When it came to Trudy talking about celebrity crushes, it was all fun and games. But as soon as Oscar brings up his or even makes eyes at another woman, it's a problem. Take the episode about Thingy, for example. Penny spends the whole episode thinking that Oscar was cheating on her mom, and at the end it's revealed that's not the case. And then Trudy states that the love between her and Oscar could never be compromised, and jokingly says "Unless Denzel needed a private veterinarian", and they all laugh at her statement. But then, Oscar jokes about getting with Halle Berry if she wants his Proud Snacks secret formula. How does Penny and Trudy respond? By giving him dirty looks and dropping his not fully casted, broken foot on the floor and leaves him to suffer in physical agony. The double standards there still gets on my nerves to this day.

[@renji90998]

At first I was like Penny. I didn’t start hating Noah until after he confirmed he only dates white girls. Even more messed up that he asked out another white girl not long after Zoe dumped his ass. She really deserves better. I understand the girls reason for being upset, but they were taken out on the wrong person. Dijonay was definitely in the wrong for uninviting Zoey at _Penny’s_ party and drawing her as Maleficent.

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

How did you do the italics?

[@renji90998]

@@imthebossmermaid3648 just use the underscore(_) key in between a word(s). You can also use (*) for *bold* and (-) to -cross out-

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

@@renji90998 _Thank you!_

[@laurenmungaray3912]

Noah did nothing wrong tho...

[@naturalplayboy94]

The implication that I got from Noah's TV interview about wanting to go to the dance with a "perfectly normal girl" was that it wasn't just a "preference" for white girls that he had, but that he specifically had a problem against black girls in general. Of course they never expand upon this at all, because he doesn't get a speaking role for the rest of the episode. The way that they put down Zoey for what is essentially a rumor that she doesn't even KNOW about until the princess party is dumb too. All in all, it feels like they wanted so many topics to be discussed that they forgot to hone in on one consistent moral and stick with it.

[@TonyTurner]

Agreed ‼

[@sixfeetundertheradar6080]

I think it should’ve been a two part episode so that it could delve more into everything

[@TonyTurner]

@@sixfeetundertheradar6080 Me too ‼

[@naturalplayboy94]

I also think the dance with Myron at the end would have meant more if Myron hadn't already previously been shown to be an unlikable weirdo that hits on everybody... like, that's the best they could give her? Kinda muddles the heartfelt moment they were going for.

[@sixfeetundertheradar6080]

@@naturalplayboy94 yes!

[@therover3941]

I don't know why djionne and penny who have boyfriends even care about being rejected, the other girls I understand but, girls you are with someone.

[@TonyTurner]

EXACTLY ‼

[@Olimar92]

Colorism is an issue, but the episode does not feel like it covers it very well. We don't get anything on Noah directly until the end of the episode, and even then it's just Zoe confronting him about a rumor. The party ends with "He only like you because you white. You're just jealous. You don't understand." I understood what they were wanting to do, but they didn't explain anything properly. The group was broadly acting like Zoe was unattractive and that the only reason Noah liked her was her skin tone. Zoe obviously feels uncomfortable hearing this fact, and brings up Myron when asked if anyone had asked her out. Zoe being defensive makes sense when you see that she is the whitest girl around when the show is a majority of People of Color. Her family barely shows up in the series as well. She even asks Myron if he only likes her because she's white. Zoe is going to have that question floating in her mind after this. I have sympathy for Zoe because she was made the target of everyone's feelings about Noah. They uninvited her because of what someone else did. Not to mention they took Maya's word as the truth and looked no deeper than that. And her source was her cousin. They never tried to give any actual reason as to why they believed Noah was Colorist. They went "We believe this new friend more than we care about you." Why are they giving Maya more clout in their group when she's almost always reading a book while around them, and the newest member of their group. They turned on Zoe so quick just because Maya says "Noah only dates white chicks". This friend they've known for years is dropped because a guy likes her. Zoe deserved more consideration than "This guy is Colorist, that's Zoe's fault". If it was a jealousy focused episode, it would be a bit better. Penny and Dijonay would still have Boyfriends, but running on the Jealousy of Zoe being asked out by a Celebrity would have been better. It also feels like what the episode was about and the Colorism was put in after. I mean Maya just saying "He only dates white girls", Noah's absence even though he's the issue, everyone attacking Zoe for no reason and the ending break-up seems so odd. How to improve the episode? Make Noah a bigger presence and show that he has the preference for white girls, and make the girls more concerned about how this would affect Zoe if she ever found out. Again, Zoe is the nerdy, white girl in a school of People of Color. She might start thinking the only reason people like her is some form of Colorism, and could harm her friendship with the rest of the girls. But those are just my thoughts.

[@bewarebewear1507]

I didnt like the episode for many reasons: -They were all bashing on zoey so hard and just trying to make her the villain over their own jealousy, seriously they all treat each other terrible -I hated how penny and dijonay left their boyfriends to talk to another boy -And this may be just my own perspective, but its just a preference when it comes to dating romatically, as a gay latino I am mostly just attracted to other latinos im not really into other races romantically but that doesnt mean I wouldnt befriend or treat others with respect.

[@jenniferearl1170]

This episode is more about interracial dating than it is about colorism. Colorism is discrimination against darker skin tones, normally within the same racial or ethnic group, like within the black community. Dijonay even said that Zoey cant understand colorism, so why use Zoey as an example of colorism instead of Penny? Its automatically assumed the guy only chose Zoey because she's white, they just met the guy and dont know his dating history. The show ends with their assumptioms of predjudice being true, he only liked Zoey because she was white. So, what was the moral of this episode? When you see a dark skinned guy with a light skinned girl we should assume its because of colorism, and always blame the victim?

[@AVYONE]

You’re so on game in many ways. Your ability to tell the truth inspires me. You tell the stories most are afraid to tell, or are gate keeping for personal reasons. Thank you.

[@TonyTurner]

Thank You ‼🙏🏾

[@Angel-vb7bb]

They should’ve showed colorism for men TOO which they could’ve cuz they rlly just ditched their boyfriends for a lightskin with colored eyes. ☠️ it kinda defeated the purpose? & made penny & D look like hypocrites. ^ That’s the only things that bugged me but other than that great ep

[@TonyTurner]

EXACTLY ‼ That's why I kept pointing that out 👀

[@Angel-vb7bb]

@@nikkiloveslife4841 true but they also didn’t focus on only the dark skin girl getting discriminated against in this ep. They threw in the light skin & latina in also + it does happen wayyyy more to dark skin girls & way worse treatment. :( Dark skin men hardly get the same treatment but it DOES HAPPEN. It’s a kids show tho so they didn’t get too deep into it & they handled the topic pretty poorly imo.

[@mitchellburris193]

Some date older people for their maturity. Some date younger for their lack of experience. Some date different people to break out of common and some date similar people for comfort. There can be reason for preference not just out of the blue.

[@technologycansuchit8156]

My experience with "colorism" came from being one of the only white looking girls in school. I was bullied and called racial slurs and accused of having a better life than the other kids therefore I deserved hate.. When in all actuality I was worse off than a lot of those kids. Living out of a motel or the car with my mom. Not eating at home, wearing gas station flip flops and no jackets for the winter months. Being told by kids with new clothes, phones, and backpacks, with new haircuts that I was a problem. That I didnt know their struggle. And I'm not even white I'm just a light skinned Latina. They just assumed. Kids told me they weren't allowed to hang out with me because I'm white. I didn't even know what that meant. I was taught about race this way. And a lot of the black kids I asked about similar things happening to them said they had never been spoken to the way I had.. Don't teach kids this stuff. Don't teach kids to view the world as victims, don't teach kids to view themselves as less than. Because that shit sticks.

[@thunderbird1921]

Heck, I'm a white guy and I was hated on by a number of kids at a middle school I attended just for being what I was, even though I acted very kind toward them. It got so insane that one black kid told me "You better be scared of us *plural version of n-word* whitey boy!" I was HORRIFIED. Growing up, that language had NEVER been tolerated in my family, for generations (my grandfather as a young doctor in the 1950s actually went out of his way to care for minority race migrant workers). Now this black kid was using that horrible slur like it was some term of power for his people. There were a couple other incidents by black students toward me that I'm not sure would be fully appropriate to share here, but were likewise awful and frightening. Until going to this particular school, I had NEVER had problems with black kids (although it might be noteworthy they were better off economically than the kids at this one), and I do not for a minute blame black people as a whole for how I was treated (thankfully though my parents got me out of that school after one year). There is however, definitely racism within at least part of the black community that REALLY needs to be addressed (at a couple of other schools I attended, the black and white kids got along great, but both of them would sadly draw insensitive caricatures of Mexican and Chinese folks and make jokes about them either being fat or wearing stupid hats). Racism or racial insensitivity is wrong no matter WHO it is aimed at.

[@SonicJowii]

Colorism is a serious issue, but I do not believe this episode addresses that issue (and if this was an attempt, it was done poorly). Like others have previously said, there is a difference between having a preference and being full on prejudice against someone based on their skin tone (or a colorist). The fact that this idea of preference is briefly mentioned and rejected in the episode let's me know that this is a one sided think piece. I don't plan to watch this season at all, but I hope the other episodes are effective.

[@mmurph]

The one thing about this that makes it funny is Michael having the same reaction as the girls. He didn't have a chance. 😂😂

[@TonyTurner]

Lol that's why I didn't even mention him in the conversation

[@TheGreatBunthulu]

My only problem with the episode was just how quick the girls turned on Zoey. They directed all of there anger on her insted of Noah. I get it was out of jealousy but still. I know there kids, but that hurts getting dog piled like that.

[@WillianyAmill]

atleast it was satisfying to see zoey defend herself. she never does that, they drag her into everything or they never listen to her when she's trying to be the voice of reason so they don't get in trouble.

[@laurenmungaray3912]

Why would they be mad at Noah? The guy is obligated to be interested in them and only them? Didn't they already have boyfriends?

[@angeltv3112]

I was really excited for season 2! While the original Proud family did talk about topics like colorism, racism, to name a couple, I believe the revival really dived into topics like that more and more. When I saw the episode about BeBe being on the spectrum of autism, I felt that one spoke to me. When I was around 5 years old, I was diagnosed with a learning disability which at the time the doctors I went to named it mental retardation, something I'm still sensitive about years later as an adult. But thinking about it now, autism wasn't talked about a lot in the early 90s. It took me years to realize that maybe I am on the spectrum.

[@TonyTurner]

Thanks for sharing this ‼ That episode was very much needed

[@angeltv3112]

@@TonyTurner Thank you. Yes I agree, that episode was long overdue. Not many animated shows touch on those topics.

[@shannonenglish8081]

I think its okay to have a preference because you can't control who someone is attracted to. If someone likes you then they will try to date you if they don't, they don't have to.

[@ablackmanreviews608]

The topic of this episode was colorism but it low key felt like it focuses more on toxic friendship. It’s no secret that the group has had a history of being bad friends to each other. It’s really messed up how the entire group disregards Zoey as their friend and leave Penny in the middle to try and reconcile things but ultimately giving in to peer pressure and cutting Zoey completely out. I’m not surprised to learn that the producers could possibly be colorists (most of Hollywood is) but I am surprised they went this route for the episode. I would’ve preferred that the group confronts Noah on his preference, colorism, and behavior rather than have the group blame Zoey. So much untapped potential for this episode. If I was Zoey, I wouldn’t have apologized for nothing. She didn’t do anything wrong.

[@ajstudios9210]

This episode was trash. They treated Zoey like trash. Penny and Dijonay straight cheated in front of their boyfriends and have the nerve to be in their feelings over some celeb not liking them for their skin.🙄

[@XxLordDarthVaderxX]

The red hair is punished because the light black guy likes the red hair but the Penny and the blonde black girl never get punish because they like the light black guy. That is hypocrisy, nobody learned nothing.

[@anonymousperson4209]

I don’t understand why this is an issue for people. If someone finds black or white people more attractive then that’s what they like, you can’t force someone to like you just because you think they should. Gay people don’t like a certain gender, we can’t help our gender. Obviously if it’s become more of a feti** then yeah that’s an issue and yes obviously racism is bad, but someone being more attracted to lighter or darker skin is just a preference much like liking v’s better the d’s.

[@13579hee]

TBH it would've been better if they touched on colorism by having him only like light skinned Black girls or mixed girls. Black people are quick to address colorism when it shows up in the form of people liking White people but they have a harder time addressing it when its a Black person prefering lighter skinned Black & mixed race people because tbh thats a form of colorism that MOST Black people have themselves.

[@TonyTurner]

That's what I really wanted to see ‼ Noah choose Penny over Dijonay and the plot after that

[@krismarshall3803]

I feel like the writers forgot how all the girls in the OG series had a crush on Johnny Lovely...you know......a white guy. And how Penny liked an Asian character for an episode during the Romeo & Juliet play? You didn't see the Chang Triplets bowldozing Penny down and telling her to "BTFO, Asian's can only like Asians"

[@Bunny2319b]

I totally forgot about that lol

[@keepitapostolic.]

I honestly thought I skipped an episode. I was thinking that Kareem and Penny broke up the way she was so excited about that boy. And Kareem didn't seem to care.

[@thechubbibunnie]

I don't really like Micheal being Pocahontas. Could've been any other Princess that wasn't so controversial

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

This episode tried to have an in-depth dissection about colorism but it totally missed the mark. The main issue is that all of Penny's friends criticize Zoey and the episode treats them as having righteous furry for doing so. The problem is, if they are trying to discuss colorism *they should have been made at Noah, not Zoey.* The episode has the gall to treat Penny's fiends treating Zoey like dirt as a commentary on colorism when Zoey didn't do anything wrong. She was asked out, she didn't know why Noah liked her, and all of her friends turned on her. The episode completely missed the mark here, it's blaming an innocent person for the crime of colorism. And the worst part is, the episode thinks Penny's friends are in the right. They say Zoey "doesn't get it" and later Zoey agrees with them, as if the show is trying to say something about white fragility. But when Zoey learned about this, she went and talked to Noah as a good friends should. Zoey was not in the wrong, but the show treat her like she was. I think this episode does more harm than good. The reason a lot of people aren't vibing with modern social justice movements is because they feel like they are being blame for problems outside of their control. And they feel like that because some people really do blame them for things they have nothing to do with. That's what happened here, the writers earnestly think Penny's friends were in the right and so the moral of the story is flat out wrong. That false moral reflects the false way the writers are view real social justice issues and they are doing more harm than good because instead of solving those issues, they are blaming and alienating people. That just creates more enemies and fails to address the real problem. Like in this case, if the girls were really mad about colorism or Zoey only being dated because she was white, their chief concern should have been Zoey. They should have been like "You can do better than him, he only cares about what you look like". But instead, they are all just made as Zoey because she was chosen over them. That's jealousy and it doesn't help that Dejonay and Penny both have boyfriends. So why are they so upset? They want something that they can't have anyway, care about a loser who doesn't even care about them, and blame their friend for the loser's actions. Dating someone for their color is wrong. But newsflash, what Penny's friends did to Zoey wasn't right in the slightest either. They blamed her, excluded her, and insulted her behind her back and to her face. And in a lot of ways, hearing that from your "friends" probably hurts more than being mistreated by a random celebrity. This show failed hold Penny's friends accountable and didn't talked the issue of colorism properly. All this speaks to the writer's own flaws and biases because it were those flaws and biases that leaked through in the moral of this episode.

[@ramboram03]

Why is this show geared towards small children its full of adult themes and indoctrination.

[@14omoon]

Man Zoey should've went in on them for the way they dogged her out, their attitudes were COMPLETELY uncalled for!! 😡 And I wish they had Oscar and Trudy mediate better when they were having that blow at the Princess Party!! Those are my gripes about this episode.

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

At this point I think that it's pretty damn clear that the writers hate Black women. They not only did Zoey dirty, they did Penny, Dijonay, Maya, and Lacienega(ik she's not Black but still) dirty as well, because instead of talking to Noah about it or telling Zoey to ignore him(or Penny getting him cancelled lol, which would have been nice to see), they just made Zoey the villain in their narrative. A lot of Black men who only date white girls hate Black women because they think they are angry, ratchet, aggressive, and masculine, and are jealous of white women's beauty. And that's exactly what's going on here. Because despite the fact that Zoey is drawn as the "ugly" friend while the rest of the girls are more conventionally cute and attractive, it still feels like they're trying to say that Black girls are just jealous that they can't be as pretty as white girls and get "picked" by Black guys. And let's not even get into the colorism of Penny and Dijonay ditching their darkskin Black boyfriends for a lightskin dude. And I can't believe they had that line with Maya and Dijonay's boyfriend at the end. Yes, because Black women who question the "preference" for white girls from Black men are just bitter and violent and aggressive! Of course! That just confirmed it for me: the writers hate Black women.

[@TonyTurner]

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[@NomadicWanderer11]

It’s not uncommon for people to find certain physical features more attractive. Some people find tall people more attractive while some prefer to date shorter people. Noah didn’t really seem to know any of the girls at the school so decided to ask the girl he finds the most physically attractive. Last time I checked NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO DATE SOMEONE THEY ARE NOT ATTRACTED TO!

[@deontaymarshall5704]

As a light skin yellow man. I find myself attracted to dark skin women so I was never on that colorist train at all. Majority of the women I've messed with were dark skin females I love me some chocolate 🍫. I look at it as it was more for me if some of these men wasn't checking for them, the ones I've came across be so beautiful and so fine I be like yall crazy ash. Give me all the chocolate 🍫 I'll take them.

[@TonyTurner]

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[@yaminogame]

Given how the episode was presented, I say the message was very muddled. Like Kareem, I asked why everyone was so upset over a rumor? Up until the moment we found out the rumors were true (at the every end of the episode mind you) I agreed with Zoey that the other girls were simply just jealous Noah did not choose them. Poor Zoey did not deserve that kind of treatment from her so-called friends. Not to mention no one even tried to explain to Zoey about the situation and how they felt about it. They just accused her of “stealing” Noah and immediately dipped from the conversation. How was Zoey suppose to understand if you do not even attempt to explain? We also never get Noah’s thoughts and feelings on the subject. For all we know, he is not against dating other types of girls, he is just more attracted to white girls. Or maybe he had a few dating disasters and it has affected his dating preferences. Or, off chance, he probably thought Zoey was the prettiest girl in the room to him. Again, we do not know! Noah is not featured outside of the initial scene he was introduced. The shows presentation of the subject on colorism, was ultimately mishandled and presented poorly. the core friend group mistreated Zoey for no good reason and everyone’s worst traits were on display, no one even tries to talk or have a civil conversation, we never explore Noahs physiology on the matter, everyone was mad over a rumor that was never confirmed until the very end, and why was anyone mad anyway?! IMO, Zoey needs new friends

[@krismarshall3803]

I mean it literally was jealousy they were feeling towards Zoe, Bitter-Jealousy. Like at first before Maya had to open her big honker about the rumor and fuck things up like she usually does, it would have been more "I'm kinda annoyed with you Zoe but I'll get over it", but the rumor just dialed everybody's toxicity up to 100 and it turned into "How come the black guy isn't dating me, a black girl? He shouldn't be dating you, the white woman." Which is text-book jealousy. Even when handling the situation on the colorism aspect of things.

[@BewitchedWolf]

I think the episode was garbage all around. They only reason they liked the guy was because he was rich/famous, LIGHT SKINED, LIGHT EYED. They clearly have a preference and to top it off we’re gonna throw their men away for him! We are gonna jump on someone liking a specific race but not call ourselves out for picking a choosing specific members of our own race for their color, traits and features. Garbage all around.

[@TonyTurner]

Right I wish they dug deeper ‼

[@TrxstMonty]

Unless they changed it I find it weird that Sugar Momma is giving relationship advice about not being appreciated while having a history of chasing after a man that actively talks down/jokes on her to her face and shows disgust (even if she can’t understand).

[@jennisellers3271]

as a zoey myself (the only white girl in the gang) I felt really close to zoey in this because when i was in 9th grade an attractive black guy asked me out, and all my friends were so confused "why not go out with the black girls?" it hurt because i felt flattered because he chose me out of all those beautiful black girls. They should've explained it because i mean put yourself in zoeys shoes, she probably doesn't get a whole lot of guy attention at that school. So pretty interesting episode good take on colorism man

[@TonyTurner]

Wow. Thanks for sharing that ‼

[@jennisellers3271]

@@TonyTurner thanks for making this video! it's awesome.

[@withjust-a-bite1396]

Kareem and Darius‘s reaction is probably the smartest thing that any of the teen characters did in this episode - there’s no point in trying to reason with anyone who doesn’t want to hear a different opinion. I honestly can’t stand Maya. She reminds me way too much of so many girls and guys - including my own sister back when she was living in San Francisco with her ex - that I know who are way too quick to jump down the throat of another person just because they “commit the crime” of having a different opinion or are willing to listen to differing thoughts just have a better idea of the whole picture even if they don’t agree with those views.

[@kaiumeda6341]

This episode would’ve worked if the actor admitted to it behind Zoey’s back and they got it on video, and the showed it to Zoey and she doesn’t believe them which then causes the big fight

[@diamndz1021]

I'm surprised they didn't do that

[@duckdodgers3574]

>A girl gets asked out by a popular boy that everyone wants >All of her so called friends, get angry at her,, turn their backs and blame her, even though two of them already have boyffriends. >Said girl is only aceppted back AFTER she breaks up with the guy and apologizes with them No wonder Noah prefers to date white if the rest of the crew are the representation of how girls of color act, girls that the second a better guy appears they would dump their boyfriends and chase sfter the new one. This episode is just like Maya, says that the're is a problem but does nothing to explore it, much less to understand it; no,, she just sat there enjoying seeing the girls fight while she pretends that she's still painting; because if a black boy only dates whites was such a big problem, she sure as hell didn't confront Noah about it Like you said, it would beneficial had Noah and other men had viced their opinions; is not a subjects that can be solved in one episode and it would heve been better if Zoey and Noah dated through seveveral episodes and the rest of the crew actual behiving like friend and trying to explain Zoey the situation without being rude to her.

[@pumpkincat4594]

I just found it sad that at the end zoey is kind of framed as the bad guy, she didnt know and her friends acted like she was crazy for thinking that anyone genuinely liked her, istg they bully her in every episode, it kinda took away from the message of the episode tbh

[@Cerithiel321]

This episode felt hella off. Like why did the group care so much when most of them already had a BF. How was it Zoey’s fault when it was Noah’s preference? I wasn’t feeling this episode at all Zoey should’ve dropped based on how the group treated her.

[@cerebralsamurai8382]

The group thinks so low of Zoey that they completely ostracize her because a good looking dude chose Zoey over them it makes you wonder how any of them are friends to begin with

[@amberincrease]

They didn’t explain AT ALL the difference between commodification and preference. These little girls are terrible, none of this was Zoeys fault. She needs better friends, same with penny

[@withjust-a-bite1396]

I was so happy to find out that the show was getting a continuation, but I have to admit that I’m really disappointed at the fact that a lot of it is also just a more updated continuation of a lot of the less spectacular stuff that happened on the OG version too - especially the continued fact that Penny really needs new friends and Zoey still not really having a backbone. Dijonay’s thoughtlessness and selfishness was a big reason for why she was never high on my list of fav characters and LaCienega… oof… Look - I’m Latina and the girl rubs me the wrong way so much that I’m surprised I don’t have bland spots. Granted, I do remember episodes from the OG where they learned something about themselves or owned up for their bs behavior and I know it’s the same for this renewal too, but I just feel like this behavior is a lot more blatantly obvious now what with the show incorporating a lot more of the modern elements that is really common with pre-teens and teens today. Does that make sense or am I the only one feeling this? Anyway regarding this episode, I really like when shows - especially animated ones - touch on serious and uncomfortable topics, but even then that’s kind of a… I guess I would call it “Russian Roulette” sort of move because it can either be done amazing and honest way or shows just the ugly without any type of positive or healthy lesson/growth and just goes more along with unhealthy stereotypes or social views… This episode, in my opinion, was definitely a mix of both of those and I’d say my heart goes out to both Penny and especially Zoey through out it. We all know for a fact that Zoey is not the most secure girl and that’s something that’s been obvious since the original series - sure she happens to be best friends with three of the most popular girls at her school, but that’s not gonna stop the fact that she certainly sticks out from their friend group, and not just because she happens to be the “Nerd or White Girl”. So you got to imagine what that must feel for her to hear and see her friends reacting so badly to the fact that this big-name celebrity who - happens to also be a really cute guy - is interested in her instead of her much prettier and outgoing friends… and all because she just so happens to be White? That has to hurt…

[@kat4782]

I think its peculiar because if the roles were reversed (only liking black women) no one would care. I have been rejected for having white skin but no one sees an issue with it. I think if you are going to see an problem, see it from all sides. I don't know how they would've handled it if the roles were reversed so no hate to this video, I just wanted to mention that it is a huge problem for everyone.

[@TonyTurner]

Thanks for sharing your perspective ‼

[@ryansantos9844]

Amazing they're all terrible friends. They all laughed, including Zoey, at Penny when make up boy was making fun of her, and now they all, including Penny, just excluded Zoey because they were rejected. Dijonay just exposing Maya and her brother for having two dads and 0 consequences for her, just Maya and her brother. I really want to like this show, but how they all terrible and doesn't seem to realize that it's bothering me.

[@naebonnie]

The whole episode irritated me they all hated on Zoey like it was her fault he only like white women. Also Penny and Lacenia always get boys. We never really seen Dijonay with a boy until now. It’s funny how Penny never realize her lightskin privilege. Then it irritated me because how does Dijonay and Penny both have handsome boyfriends but are mad about a boy who doesn’t even like them.

[@TonyTurner]

Spot on ‼👏🏿

[@fmor2779]

They couldn't replace Zoey with a black girl because she is a red head, so they had to done her dirty with a guy that finds her cute, but couldn't work out. And what was his sin? He just finds white girls prettier. Over a prefference. They make such a big deal about a guy that has a prefference it almost feels like a spitfull black woman was devastated that her crush had a prefference for white women and called that racism for whatever reason wrote this episode. What is gonna be next? If someone doesnt want to date women they are gonna call it sexist?

[@Mariathinking]

People are allowed to have preferences. We shouldn't controll people's sexualities (unless it's illegal) But society does play a large role our preferences. The way we can fix this is just having diversity in who pop culture calls beautiful and attractive. If there's equality in pop culture/environment then the preferences are down to genetics, and we can't control that.

[@tylermclean7943]

As a white person I watched this episode with a higher empathy towards zoey's point of view. She didn't show any real interest in this guy until he showed an interest in her. Then all of her freinds sh!+ on HER becouse of his preference. She's not just white she's also really tall, ginger, glasses, and braces she duesnt have alot of guys coming to her door. Then a guy finaly walks past her more pretty friends to her and says she's the prettiest. That had to feel good for her and for her freinds to make her feel bad for it has to hurt. That last scene of her alone made me hurt. I half expected that last minute confusion she said he made was a lie she came up with cuz she chose her freinds over him. I liked how the show addressed the colorist issue and I can appreciate how the rest of the girls feelings were hurt. But it only gave a passing lip service at how Zoey would feel from being treated badly becouse some1 els has an opinion about her skin color. Would it have been any worse if he only dated tall redheads with glasses.

[@tylermclean7943]

@{The Autumn Wind} red hair is fun and I'd gladly play conect the dots on any girl anywhere she wants me to but it's the teenage boy who's secure about himself enough to bring home a girl taller then him that's guna be worth a damn. Props to Miron for climbing that hill like the future CEO he is.

[@ucNguyen-uh4jz]

I kinda hate how the rest of them tell Zoey that she only had white privilege and she's not pretty enough compared to them And CLEARLY enough that Zoey was always insecure about her look, just one time they could have at least tried to not bring out that. They straight up said that she has white privilege , that's so fake af

[@soarixchannel5265]

Imo the message is to go where you're wanted. If a guy doesn't like you for what you are, he's not worth it anyways. If anything he's missing out. Know your worth ladies!!

[@killgoretrout877]

lol the message of this show was black men should only date black women but black women are fine to date whoever they want and openly try to pursue relationships with other men while still dating other men