overanalyzing that one episode of the Proud Family: Louder and Prouder

[@_dahtruthTV]

I was expecting the reboot to make amends for its errors, specifically with the portrayal of Djonay... but they dropped the ball.

[@Syren90...Aka9]

Every time 😢

[@aria4830]

It's infuriating.

[@emptyteardrops]

it was so disappointing but at the very least they changed the chang triplets cus their og designs were giving 1900s anti-chinese propaganda

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

It actually made it worse because you expect them to know better by now

[@andrewsanusi8462]

It’s somehow even worse than the original 💀

[@mileslugo6430]

They implied Zoey was Ugly. Which was crazy cause later in the Season i think the show confirmed that Zoey is like Penny's best friend (Us Parody episode)

[@skootergirl22]

Well we all know Disney hates ginger haired people

[@Thebeezzkneezz.]

And shes a ginger, why are gingers aways shown as ugly ducking, nerd or bully i dont get it Quazimoto, Randel from recess, darla from finding nemo, the bully from lilo and stitch dexter fron dexters lab Whats that about

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

I feel like there were other ways to do this, but instead they just made it very clear that to them, Zoe has no worth as a worth.

[@NotWhatIamMadeFor]

Zoey is the only nice one in that friend group! Everyone turned their back on her so fast! She had never ever done that to the other friends and they all knew it and yet as soon as they heard the notion that it was Zoey and because she was white they attacked her. They didn't know for sure....

[@Kuffkuff62]

​@@NotWhatIamMadeFor What I can somewhat appreciate is Penny seems to be Zoey's biggest supporter when everybody else turns against her.

[@CreativeNia]

I personally dislike this episode, they really did Zoey dirty in this episode.

[@BrightWulph]

I've noticed in almost any eppisode that heavily involved colourisim, Zoey tends to get the short-end of the stick. It's incredibly hamfusted and tasteless, IMHO.

[@CreativeNia]

@@BrightWulph I know right and it’s sad, Zoey honestly deserves better.

[@SkylarThompson-mu1qs]

@@BrightWulph It feels like the show is written by white supremacists writing anti racism but failing because of their shtty views.

[@WillianyAmill]

They are mean to zoey ALL the time. Zoey is the coward that is nervous and neurodivergent, shes like buttters or chucky finster. She the first one who tells them not to do the bad idea they have.... and then they do it anyways..... 🤨 And then each time zoey runs home like everyone else when they get caught youre all ready to play the l that tired ass line of "PENNY WITH HER BAD IDEAS DRAGGING EVERYONE INTO HER DRAMA, NEEDS NEW FRIENDS " Are you fkn serious..... 😒

[@IGotHands92]

If anything they over sexualized Dijanoay with giver her grown women feature and putting emphasis on her lips and stuff

[@kythekunoichi]

Very true!

[@NotWhatIamMadeFor]

The problem with that episode is that the friends turned on ZOEY! Zoey who was always the white nerd, the uncool girl. Zoey had always stood up for her friends. She never wanted to have "white privlage" even in the original episode when Penny bumps her head and goes back in time to when blacks and whites were not friends...Zoey was really quick to be her friend. Zoey always had their back and it wasn't about skin color for her. Then she got the attention of the cute guy and they turned on her! Thats not showing "girl power" or sticking together it is showing how fast you should turn on your friend. Zoey didn't know the dude only liked her because she was white and Maya had only heard it through gossip from the cousin. Maya could have been wrong! They didn't even give Zoey a chance and that's why people are mad!

[@ThatGalFromDominoes]

Now that I think about it, that episode really was bad. I think it’s just how Penny and her friends actually are. They’d care more about some random boy who is colorist than their friend. It’s not surprising for me (if you watched at least HALF the episodes where they turn on Penny for shitty reasons).

[@laurenmungaray3912]

I don't think the boy was colorist? He just has a preference for white girls just like how some people only date within their own race.​@@ThatGalFromDominoes

[@laurenmungaray3912]

How is having a preference a bad thing?

[@samaraisnt]

^colorist troll incoming. 🙄 do not engage. 🙅🏽‍♀️

[@Mybabyonthetrees]

@@laurenmungaray3912people say it stems from racism or whatever, but it’s not even like the black dude said “im only into this race and all the others are ew”

[@Urmumlel7025]

This genuinely feels like a pitying women against women sort of thing. No one's winning here.

[@rantannigacha8167]

U must be lightskinned or white??

[@Urmumlel7025]

@@rantannigacha8167 First off, I'm black. Second, it's nice to see that Gacha fans still have no empathy for others. Just how the people of your community made a fucking Columbine video. Don't think we forgot.

[@millsgurl8358]

The people behind the proud family shown their true colors in this episode. Despite having a black female representation, they constantly displayed misogynoir. That why I only trust the writers from Craig of the Creek, Moon girl and devil dinosaur, and Infinity Train to write black girls or women.

[@usedtiddyjuice]

I’m still heartbroken over infinity train being cancelled

[@tcwentertainment]

Arent there some black female writer's on hand for proud family ?

[@ThatGalFromDominoes]

Craig of The Creek doesn’t talk about race. They just portray almost EVERYTHING they can think of. LGBT even portrayed in unique ways and it’s never a big problem. The main female (Kelsey) is a lesbian (I didn’t expect that at all).

[@BKTweetyTee-cg2hf]

​@ThatGalFromDominoes, yeah, but i think since it's a kid show about imagination and such, they don't want to get too deep into stuff like race or sensuality, which is why i think they do it subtly with Kelsy

[@ThatGalFromDominoes]

@@BKTweetyTee-cg2hf I didn’t mean it in a bad way. I actually enjoyed Craig of The Creek (and the movie). The ending felt a little bit bittersweet…

[@sundaylovesyoutoo7469]

I really think the reason why the colorism episode was terrible was because for them to actually do a great job on it, they would have to look at themselves. They knew how they portrayed dijonay in the show was just plain colorist so for them to speak on it, would be hypocritical Also, you have the best take on this episode so far

[@Queen_Sakura]

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but I always hear "colorism" and "colorist" when it comes to this episode and nowhere else. Is that another term for racism/racist?

[@sundaylovesyoutoo7469]

@@Queen_Sakura I would describe colorism as the child of racism. It's when someone is discriminated against for having darken skin. The difference between colorism and racism is that colorism usually happens within the community.

[@sundaylovesyoutoo7469]

@@Queen_Sakura and no you are stupid for asking, in fact colorism is under discussed and usually ignored entirely

[@emikaneeran4490]

@@Queen_Sakura It exists within racism. Colorism is the level of mistreatment towards an individual based off the darkness of their skin. It exists in many cultures and communities. The difference between racism and colorism is that within racism, the mistreatment is due to their race, ethnicity. In the case of colorism, the injustice is directed towards people with dark(er) skin AND this usually happens within the same ethnic groups.

[@Queen_Sakura]

@@sundaylovesyoutoo7469 Wait them how is this episode colorism? Shouldn't it be racism instead?

[@Alison1215]

it shouldn't have been a one episode thing but a whole plot point, shown through many episodes. Imagine: Zoey begins dating this guy and he's constantly antagonizing only djonay, to the point she leaves the friend group. Then it can be a thing where Zoey chooses to stand up for her friend and confront her bf. Lacienega and Penny could even learn a lesson from this, too.

[@kythekunoichi]

thats a good idea! that actually happened to me.

[@SkylarThompson-mu1qs]

@@kythekunoichi Yg?

[@warmlavender5525]

This would’ve been a much better plot. I’ve seen things similar to this scenario a lot.

[@VanNessy97]

If I may expand on this idea and suggest that it's not even overt harassment, it's just a series of microaggressions that really make Dijonay feel unwanted (and also make the other dark-skinned black characters give a little side eye)

[@aspebb]

I hated this episode so much. They had the perfect setup for dealing with colourism 20 YEARS+ AGO from the original series. The lighter skinned Penny and the darker skinned Dijonay. They could've called out the older show for how the lighter skinned girl had an air of grace and elegance about her, while the darker skinned girl was the ghetto rat butt of the joke that couldn't even get a boy to spit in her direction most of the time. Instead, they chose to focus on some biracial guy liking white girls and wanting to ask her to the dance. Then for some reason, Penny and Dijonay (who already HAVE boyfriends) get mad and gaslight Zoey into thinking the situation was her fault in the first place.

[@SkylarThompson-mu1qs]

A racist wrote the episode.

[@darkdream1469]

THIS!!

[@franciscocruzv3733]

“Black people can’t be racist.” An actual line from the reboot.

[@camilla_luong]

That shit enraged me. "Prejudice + power", no bitch, just prejudice.

[@remixchild]

🤦… REALLY DISNEY?!

[@cinnamorroll_miku]

I facepalmed so hard bruh ☠️

[@Koki-hc3mw]

It’s true though?

[@cinnamorroll_miku]

@@Koki-hc3mw its not, racism is just discrimination against a certain race or multiple races and anybody can do that

[@ponikoTV]

"maybe the reboot needs a reboot" yep it needs it 😭

[@miticaBEP07]

Personally I’d make the character even older, maybe college aged. This way we can justify bigger personality changes and less pedagogic plots. What do Gina, Nubia and Olei DO once they’re no longer tethered to each other and can pursue their specific interests? (also pro-tip to the Gross parents: do NOT dress your children to match each other. It’s damaging to their sense of self. Even if the plain white tees and overalls are all they can afford, there should at least be a sense of uniqueness among the girls, especially since, being different ages and sizes, they’d probably pass their clothes down to each other anyway. Look how happy Olei is once she gets to try new things)

[@samaraisnt]

put the show to rest. that colorism belongs in the past…they aren’t getting it 😴

[@tuney7319]

There’s another episode where penny’s mom abandons her in the street because she sneaked out and it’s treated like a good thing, so yeah the shows writers are really weird about morality..

[@chillcreature737]

Or in one episode where Penny shouted “Black people can’t be racist!” 💀

[@tuney7319]

@@chillcreature737 i feel like that’s just not correct at all?? You can be racist towards other minorities, you can even have internalized racism which is a type of racism, also considering the show’s past history with anti asian racism i’m not surprised.

[@chillcreature737]

@@tuney7319 yes yes yes! As a black person, it really shocks me that the community advocates against racism yet do the same thing to other minorities. And even to each other. They think that it’s not a big deal or have the same mindset as what Penny said, which is sad.

[@tuney7319]

@@chillcreature737 agreed.

[@dragonsman4733]

​​@@tuney7319 can confirm this, though it's not only minorities, as black people can be racist against anyone, same as anyone. (Saying they can't is ironically racist) For example white people and other races are oppressed in South Africa by the black majority, such as my family. If you thought America was racist, black people have gone to the lengths of trying to wipe all other races out in the country, and guess what, they still have slavery/trafficking going on. Came to the point where my grandma (rip) had to carry a gun around every time she went out.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Another video I saw mentioned the irony of how Dijonay and Penny had dark-skinned love interests, but became sidelined on who the light-skinned guy was interested in. That would've been an interesting way to counter the cono against Zoey.

[@TeaLoungeNYC]

I’m honestly puzzled as to why this is labeled the "colorism" episode. Every time I try to discuss colorism, it inevitably gets tangled up with gatekeeping blackness when it comes to mixed-race individuals or some aspect of racism. Without fail, I end up being silenced once again by some variation of "white woman tears."

[@millsgurl8358]

True. This is more of a racial preference than colorism.

[@Superlad9494]

Maya's drama stirring stuff. Maya is simply there to be worse than Dijonay. Dijonay will be backstabby, but Maya is a discordant. Discordants do far worse.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

​@@millsgurl8358As a white woman, this episode just sort of disturbed me. Why? Because it isn't just about a preference for white people, but the weird fetishism white women have to put up with. Not saying that women of other races don't have this problem, because they do, and the show did nothing to tackle it. When a black guy says "I like dating white women" there is often more to it than just that he finds us more attractive. Just a lot. And the show did nothing with this. Instead, Zoe was crazy and delusional for dating out of her league, her friends were jealous and petty, and Penny was in tears because she is the only somewhat redeemable person in this show. It wasn't nice to anyone.

[@dragonsman4733]

​​​@@rosesweetcharlotte agreed. there is a real fetish that black men have for white women, that is never called out and would've been perfect for this episode to. Bassically black men who have it refer to their white partners as 'snow bunnys' they talk about dating white women as if they are exotic objects. Unfortunately its only black people who hate mixing races who call them out on it, thus it never gets much attention.

[@CoolAnagram]

There's ways to talk about colorism being bad without putting anyone down and It's very surprising how literally everyone seems to fail at it

[@Butterism]

Louder and Prouder is the epitome of wasted potential. They had a golden opportunity to address all the errors of the original. The colorism, the toxic friend groups, male sexual harassment being played as a joke, child favoritism, parentification, parents not always making the best decisions. But they just gave us more of the same. I like how you mentioned the appeal of the og series of just have the black characters be, well, normal. They weren't mouth pieces, they were characters. Just normal people living their lives with normal problems. How impactful would it have been to show that toxic friends isn't a "black girl thing." That no means no is a fact regardless of gender. That hey, just because behavior is normalized, doesn't mean it's right. I never minded Dijonay that much cause I knew a couple of girls like that growing up. But it's still harmful. Why not have another dark skinned black girl. Why not address why Dijonay is so toxic at times. If they were good writers, they could have made it a Riley from The Boondocks situation. Mirroring behaviors they see on TV cause they think that's how they're suppose to behave as black people. I was somewhat excited for Louder and Prouder, but alas. We just got more of the same.

[@F.D-B-z9i]

This episode is exibit A of fumbling the bag this could have been a chance to highlight actual colorism in society but instead its a glorified temper tantrum

[@BatSnakegirl]

Even as someone who has just seen reviews of this show and episode, there's clearly a better story of the girls wanting to PROTECT Zoey from the celebrity kid. A sort of "we're realizing that this guy is a creep, he doesn't care about you for YOU, you need to get out of this situation," and the conflict comes from an ASSUMPTION of jealousy. But they do care about their friend and they don't want her feelings to get hurt when the bell comes to toll. And that's where you have the conversation about the weird favoritism of white women over black women from black men.

[@swixhayes3877]

I liked how this was said

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

For me I really hate how this episode pit teenage girls against each other. It reinforced the idea that teenage girls are all petty, catty, jealous, vindictive, and cruel towards each other and value male validation over their friendships with other girls. When you erase the race aspects from the episode and just boil it down to its bare essentials, it’s basically just a bunch of girls catfighting over a boy and destroying their relationship with each other because a boy chose another girl over them. Because why didn’t they confront Noah about his racism? Or try to help Zoey see the light? Why did they instead leap to attacking and stigmatizing Zoey? If Zoey knew that the guy was racist and continued dating him despite her friends trying to warn her, then I would understand their beef. But instead, they get mad at Zoey for no reason, without even trying to talk to her about it, and just tell her that she’s ugly and undesirable and would never attract a guy unless he was a racist POS with a race fetish, otherwise they would come out on top(and then they say nothing when she brings up Myron and just tell her “you just don’t get it”). They basically see her as the ugly girl who doesn’t stand a chance against them in the romance department and needs to stay in their shadow so that they look better. And I hate it. This episode was clearly written by sexist adult men who don’t understand anything about teenage girls and think that we all hate and have it out for each other.

[@skootergirl22]

Not to mention, Zoe is a white ginger girl, and we know how much Disney hates gingers. It makes sense she's would dress up as mrianda from the only pixar princess movie brave and what Disney did to making her into giving her the most stereotyped Scottish accent on reck it Ralph 2

[@dragonsman4733]

Perfectly timed too, considering that she would've likely dressed up as Ariel, if the character hadn't been a part of redhead erasure.

[@skootergirl22]

@dragonsman4733 but she's a pixar princess, not a Disney one even if the lamp is on the desk of mickey Mouse they own the rights to brave

[@alliestevens5264]

Blame Frozen for Brave not getting enough attention in box sales

[@a1918-b4g]

I think that’s more an issue with specifically Scottish cultural erasure. People ignore it because they’re white and most simply don’t care. Scotland, Ireland and wales have a similar issue where they have a unique culture, language and heritage that are actively being erased but it’s never discussed outside of jokes or stereotypes

[@paracosm0]

@@a1918-b4g you're the first person i've seen talk about this outside of my friendgroup

[@Zackatk555]

This and another video on colorism made me realize that South Park is the only show I’ve seen where it’s two dark skinned black women characters are pretty level headed and non stereotypical

[@IivingdeadgirIl]

which is a little surprising for south park considering South Park’s characters are supposed to be laughing stocks, even Chef was a good representation in the show

[@alysssabear]

@@IivingdeadgirIlShows that black characters are way better represented when they’re not just there for pandering, this coming from a black woman myself.

[@sorcerersapprentice]

​@@alysssabear I'd argue that a lot of the representation on that show is pretty good. Disabled characters like Jimmy and Timmy don't exist to be these pandering props. Instead they are actual characters who are treated just like everybody else. They can be the voice of reason or be as stupid and ignorant as the rest of the townsfolk. They both have personality traits, hobbies and interests that have nothing to do with their disabilities. Nobody makes fun of their quirks like Jimmy's stutter or Timmy being only able to say his name, including characters like Cartman. The boys make sure to include both of them and accommodate for them. The same can be said about the queer rep. I think that's how you do any good rep. Write a character, and just take a few things into consideration when thinking about how marginal identity affects who they are. We're all people at the end of the day, even if we have things about us that separates us. What's so hard about that to understand?

[@rosalindmccollum6012]

@@sorcerersapprentice This. Because even if they are intended to be comedic characters, they have to be characters, and have more then just jokes. If they only had jokes, it wouldn't be funny or amusing anymore, but since they have more depth, it is funny when a joke is made.

[@popcornsprinkles8071]

Coming from the outside looking in. I grew up in a VERY white town where the only African American woman was dark skinned, curly haired, and was in a position of Management at bank. Her lazy stay at home husband was white. When I moved down south, I remembered being shocked by certain comments. I remember being confused about why anyone would say that straight hair was more professional. I certainly didn't understand colorism at the time because I wasn't exposed to it. As representation becomes more pronounced, it really becomes important to bring these things up. Not only for the community but for outsiders like me who are confused about what the hell is going on. Maybe if Zoey had it explained to her, she could have been the one who was horrified. She loves her friends and would have been upset about something she would have been blind to. IDK, I'm not the one to write this.

[@happyblackwoman6154]

They were jealous of Zoey! They had boyfriends/love interests of their own, and yet they felt entitled to Noah because he's black and successful. They're insecure!

[@hayleymcgough8567]

if I was zeoy I'll stay with Noah , her "friends" treated her like trash

[@happyblackwoman6154]

@@hayleymcgough8567 Exactly! They were jealous.

[@Koki-hc3mw]

They didn’t care that he chose Zoey until they heard that he was colorist and went out of his way to only date white women. It’s not Zoey’s fault but she’s not allowed to act ignorant when it comes to racism and black people are tired of it .

[@thebiggestturdonthiswebsite]

i find this episode hilarious beacuse why tf are colourist trying to explain colorism to me (plot twist noah was a self insert)

[@NoviLyric]

You know what it makes a lot of sense if Noah was an insert too😂😂😂😂😂

[@user-lk4lt4vm3t]

18:54 THE CENSORS ARE K8LLING MEEEE

[@ChristaBlack-gn8ys]

The edits during the dude's tiktok ☠️

[@kythekunoichi]

lol thank you for noticing 😂

[@NerdialYT]

Fr, that made me giggle

[@medtle1]

That episode of louder and prouder is a very good example of executive meddling interfering with the story. People love to blame the female writer(s) for writing the episode about colorism, but based on what the episode is actually about and how conversations about colorism, sexism, and fetishization actually go, you can tell that episode went thru re-write hell (and budget cuts) because the executives of the show wanted those topics watered down to please their misogyny, which means that writer's story and experiences were watered downed and whitewashed multiple times for the show. Proud family have always had an issue with misogyny and how they portrayed teenage girls and the reboot is no different. [And of course, the same old tradition of having no women in the executive, producer, and management roles of the show; only cis straight men.] The episode stopped being about colorism the moment it started to be about zoey dating a popular biracial celebrity guy with a whyte gal fetish instead of penny benefiting from gendered colorism compared to dijonay and maya. And it is obvious that the executive producers wanted the bad guy "dating" zoey to be a popular biracial male celebrity (the "we have drake at home" version) instead of a regular non-mixed MOC that was deep into the (non-white) manosphere. Maya and KG have a black dad and a white dad. Showing a few minutes of them contacting their cousins to find out more how bad noah is instead of just maya stating she heard from her cousins about how bad noah is would have helped instead of doing a disney princess party. A proud family about colorism should have been about penny, dijonay, and maya; not zoey. An episode about manospheres of color targetting and using whyte gals to promote their harmful rhetoric and harm gals of color also would have been a really great and relevant topic for the show to address but either the creators and executives and producers were too ignorant about the subject, too scared to talk about the topic, and/or didn't think the topic was a huge issue because it didn't affect them personally. To me, it sounds like the wrtiers intended to make separate episodes about colorism, the manosphere and fetishization of white gals, a celebrity visiting their school, and a disney princess party, but budget cuts were made for some reason and the creators and exectuives and producers didn't like that two of the episode ideas were criticizing cis straight guys of color for how they treat gals of color and lgbtq+ folks of color that are the same race and/or ethnicity as them. So they forced the writers to rewrite those episodes constantly until it was to their liking, then forced them to mish-mash a bunch of episode ideas into one episode because of time and money. And the creators of the show really need to stop being boomers and stop the tired old trend of mocking and torturing teenage girls for entertainment. It wasn't funny then and it isn't funny now. Just let penny have real friends and a family that doesn't parentify her already. [Before anyone mentions lacienga, note that lacienga is not afro-latina or black. Her biracial cousin in louder and prouder is half-afro-latina because her dad is afro-latino. You cannot make an episode about colorism with penny and lacienga because penny is black and lacienga isn't black. Lacienga would need her own episode about colorism in the hispanic latine community AND interact with more hispanic latine characters that aren't her family members. Based on how proud family writes teenage girls, i don't trust them to be able to write that kind of episode.]

[@darkdream1469]

This 👏👏👏

[@vampybyte7812]

From a white woman's perspective, this episode felt gross, terribly written and the conflict was started from a rumor. A rumor Maya couldn't even show any proof of. She just points to him going to zoey and another white girl as proof. How the girls chose to treat zoey in this situation, especially when at least 2 of them already had partners, Was incredibly petty, spiteful and jealous for a rumor that came from a third party they don't even know. Maya herself is iffy with credibility in this show. Now coming from my own personal experiences, white women do experience fetishization as does any woman from any race. Its clear the writers didn't even think about the fact this happens to all women of every shade, size and background. They even had the audacity to make it zoey, a red head. Red heads are fetishized A LOT in media and in real life. The fact they couldnt even have the girls be concerned their friend might be fetishized just doesn't sit right with me. Don't even get me started on them having Michael claim to be part native to get away with putting him in pochantas's costume. When disney's telling of 'pochantas' has heavily been scrutinized for fetishizing and romanticizing a story about the first Native american girl to be kidnapped from her home. No one who actually was descended from her or her tribe would be caught dead supporting that movies message. Especially since that movie made it seem like natives were equally in the wrong for wanting to protect their home and people. I can't tell if that was the writers being stupid at understanding the backwards thinking of including that alone in an episode about colorism, or if it was disney themselves trying to cover their ass for even acting like that film is even remotely ok to promote now a days when we all know better.

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

All this. The Pocahontas part especially bothered me.

[@fubukifangirl]

Maya is just the type of person who likes stirring the pot.

[@korystephens3318]

​​@@fubukifangirl they should've recasted Sticky instead of creating that harpy. She effectively made Dodie from As Told By Ginger looked like Millie Helper from the Dick Van Dyke Show

[@Freezient]

Louder and Prouder is such a disappointment. The show is visually gorgeous, incredibly, but as soon as I saw that colorism episode, I know the creators don’t really have good intentions, or maybe they do, but it filled with this weird hatred. That episode also falls flat cause Zoey is shown to be the ugly friend, we had a whole episode from the original dedicated to the other girls giving her a glowup, so to some watchers, the other friends just comes off as angry not because of colorism or race related reasons, but because how dare the ugly one of their group gets an ounce of attention from a pretty guy. Also I think Maya had potential to be good, but unfortunately she’s just an online activist who is a big hypocrite, I know this show points this out too Also about the colorist family thing with the dad being darker and mom being lighter, Little Bill is way ahead of its time having a darker mom and lighter dad, pretty sure Little Bill’s brother and sister is like that too and also Little Bill himself and his black female friend

[@zierragacha5089]

That friend of Little Bill's is actually his cousin

[@zierragacha5089]

Honestly this episode made me hate Penny's so-called friends even more

[@Passions5555]

Even Michael was awful in all of this, and he is usually not as trifling and mean as Penny's other friends. He jumped on the bandwagon.

[@zierragacha5089]

@@Passions5555 Yeah, he was no better when he left the party with them

[@SailorMya]

The writers seem to have a surface level understanding of the "woke" topics they write which shows in the fact their viewers come away MORE confused about colorism then they did at the start... I'm a white women who never even heard the term before this and I honestly figured it was a new phrase for mixed color relationships if one of them is bias which it kinda is but not the FULL meaning by a long shot... (surface level...) They had the chance to tell a meaningful story only to fumble it hard because honestly the "harder" stories shouldn't boiled down to "girl drama! lol"...

[@angeldeleon1130]

Hello @Ky The Kunoichi, you really brought up a lot of great and important things that a lot of people should know about, and I have also noticed colorism in the Latino community in both Hollywood and Mexico. I know they always have stereotype’s on us being criminals, thugs, drug dealers. I know those exist but not all of us are like that, but when they do try to put in positive representation of Latino I noticed that they only put in more light skinned or in this case white skinned Latinos in their movies and shows, and they get better roles like playing doctors, lawyers, scientists, while the brown skinned ones just play the same roles of thigs etc. I just wish that Hollywood would stop doing this and actually try get more brown skinned Latinos and make them get better roles. Also you really have a beautiful voice. Please don’t think I was being creepy.

[@_dahtruthTV]

& Whoever wrote this episode failed miserably.. Did any black writers have a hand in it, that actually understands colorism?

[@kythekunoichi]

the writers, including the creator are all brown and dark skin black people - including two brown skin/dark skin women! so I am very confuzzled.

[@besugarb4655]

@@kythekunoichi Why are you confused dark skin black folks DID write this! No one hates and destroy black image more than black folks. Its worse than if it was white or asians writing this

[@medtle1]

One of the writers of the show said she wanted to write an episode about gendered colorism and an episode about racial fetishization intersecting with misogyny (and the manosphere) based on her experiences. What needs to be kept in mind is that what the writers write is not necessarily what makes it thru the final draft. [Anyone who has seen the numerous deleted scenes of pixar's Brave knows exactly what I am talking about.] That episode clearly went thru several re-writes until it was something the creators, producers, and exectuives liked, so very likely a lot of the actual discussions of colorism, racial fetishization, and the manosphere got cut out in the end while also mish-mashing a bunch of episode ideas together into one episode.

[@joanjones6882]

Do you happen to know where they are from? Just asking because the black experience is very different on the east v west coasts. ​@@kythekunoichi

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

​@@medtle1The thing is, this is a worthwhile discussion. But yeah, the end result is a mess

[@potatofairy8535]

I hate how they treated Zoey like she was so ugly no one would ever want to date her and then got angry at her for not seeing their point of view when they didn't even bother to look at her's. This is literally how toxic relationships can form and sends a really bad message to anyone who may have similar features to Zoey. It unintentionally sends a bad message to any girls who might have a crush on a guy who dates a friend who has a different skin color than them, making them feel inferior or something because of something they can't control. All because the episode didn't really address the true issue. This episode could have done something great and showed the difference between preference and colorism, heck it could have even touched on the subject of toxic relationships, but instead, the guy who was displaying these feelings towards Zoey was hardly a focal point of the show. It's such a shame to see, especially when you know the OG show could have added so much nuance to a topic like this. I feel like one common thing people who are black, white, or mixed can share in the dating scene is being turned down by someone and being made to feel like your skin color is disgusting or gross to someone else. Or, if you're mixed, possibly that you're not enough of one side of yourself, whether it be not dark enough or not light enough.

[@PandoraHearchu]

This... is going to sound really weird, but seeing the designs next to each other made me realize that I genuinely need to know *who* exactly it was that decided it was a good idea to make Dijonay's head shaped like an onion. She stands out so much and not in a good way, because everyone else looks "normal" and then Dijonay has a weirdly pointy head. Like, she looks great in both the Cinderella outfit and in that "future" design, meaning that they *can* draw her like a normal human being. But this begs the question *why* is her head so pointy? It actually almost seems malicious at this point? Why do this to her? I know this is a weird thing to be bothered about, but the fact that Dijonay is the only one who has this weird pointy head-shape just makes it look so... odd and stand out even more?

[@Melon_Soda5]

16:30 my younger sister has a gorgeous afro and she recently told me and my mom that she wants to get it straightened because she doesn't like it. It's her hair and she can do whatever she likes with it, but I feel really bad and I wish there was something I could say to make her feel better about it :( She basically always keeps her hair in box braids (mostly because it's more managable), but I just feel kind of helpless. My family's mixed (black and white) and my sister has more afro-centric features, meanwhile I'm on the lighter side so I don't really feel like it's my place to tell her what to do. I see so many other dark-skin black girls my age or younger wanting their hair straightened and it just makes me feel really bad :(

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

Tell her that her hair is beautiful the way it is, and that she shouldn’t feel ashamed of it because society tells her that only girls who are white are pretty. And then show her clips and pictures of beautiful Black girls rocking their Afro hair.

[@catracing]

That moment when Suga Mama woke up when the TV was turned off looks like my grandfather (mother’s stepfather) so even a Slav can notice something familiar here

[@MrSophire]

As a Hispanic, i never liked this show. I hate how they portrayed the Chang triplets, were more concerned with giving the Hispanic girl a punny name instead of an actual name. Aura instead of sunset and Reina, means queen in Spanish would have been better names and fit a snobby character. I hated how Oscar was treated. I am not black so I don’t understand the dislike for other black characters in the “ white” shows. I like Venice, Garold, and others. Were people first. I did see them as black but it was in your face where they consistently tell you that they are black. As a Hispanic I prefer when they do this with Hispanic characters.

[@Bliss226]

Their names aren't puns, they are named after streets in California.

[@rottingfruit9410]

@@Bliss226wait omg I get it now

[@giovanmorabonilla6400]

​@@Bliss226 but why? I'm not from America btw

[@zooweemama4203]

@@Bliss226that’s just as bad!

[@kokocrispies]

I had no idea she was Latina until watching this video. And now i learn her last name is literally boulevardez?? Wtf?? I like a good pun but these are limited only to those who know Hollywood streets, went even then how is it funny?? I legit thought she was another light skinned Black girl

[@IGuessItsSketchyT]

2:28 That show didn't age well...😅

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

And the worst episode wasn’t even this one. It’s the one glorifying abuse where Trudy locks Penny out of the house because she was out late with friends.

[@ReesesBees]

I've seen videos talking about that episode, and the comments were FULL of people claiming that what Trudy did wasn't abuse, or that Penny deserved it instead of simply grounding her inside the house and taking away her allowance or telling her she can't hang out with her friends/boyfriend for a month. That would've been a MUCH better punishment than locking her out and telling her to go to Suga Mama's house, alone. At night.

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

@@ReesesBees 💀

[@almi8151]

I knew I couldnt trust new proud family at all when I saw Michael. They took a gay male character virtually devoid of harmful stereotypes and they corporate yassified him beyond recognition not to mention hes annoying. It physically pained me to see him.

[@krismarshall3803]

If they were older I would believe it, but in what way in hell is a 14 year old gay boy dressing like that? Hollywood doesn't realize that most-to-all of the yassified gay boys out there actually start it once they graduate highschool. Before then its mostly going around looking emo or androgynous. Because its easier to fit in school that way without the constant target on your back. Like I actually liked OG Michael's fit tbh more than the reboot.

[@laurenmungaray3912]

It's weird how they are demonizing a boy for having preferences, there are people that only date people in their race and other people that just don't care about someone's race. Plus, they were already taken!

[@NoviLyric]

19:10 replacing every time he says 🥷🏾 was so hilarious LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO “non-European”, “21 savages”😭

[@Neku628]

It's really telling that Dijonay is always being ranted about. I read a comment about Penny being petty because Dijonay had a talent at poetry. The comment just insinuated that Dijonay was always trying to backstab Penny, even though the poetry episode was just Dijonay having a similar talent to Penny. Yeah, Penny was just paranoid throughout that episode. I am not going to say that Dijonay was more talented than Penny at being poetic because that's what got Penny paranoid and just spiteful. I don't even like that trope that, "There is always someone more talented than you." Recess did it and pretty much had all of the kids, especially the racist caricatures from the kindergarteners just stop doing their gimmicks and hobbies. That trope just reeks of having a superiority complex, as if it's saying, "Hey, you should still keep doing what you're doing, even though so and so is way BETTER at it than you are." Yeah, there's always going to be someone more talented and better at something than me, but at the same time, there are also people that are less talented and worse at doing something than me. I should just do what I like because I'm not trying to seek validation from the majority while dogging on someone else for not having the same or similar talent to me. The Recess episode just had the perfect Gary Stu just being outcompeted by the kids that just stopped their gimmicks because they weren't getting validation anymore for practically their namesake like Upside-down Girl. But back to the point, Dijonay critics just come across as pessimistic if not paranoid, especially when it comes to the poetry episode. Can't someone that is usually demonized like Dijonay just be talented and not as double-crossers because they are portrayed that way in most of their appearances in the show? Why don't we even get to see more of Dijonay and Zoey's home life instead of their families just basically being reduced to cameos? But like you said, given this show, they will just flanderize Dijonay's home life and just make her out to be more of a racist caricature of dark skinned, African American girls then all of the other times, Dijonay's family and home life is shown.

[@rosesweetcharlotte]

Let us just all agree that everyone in this show is a bad person

[@phlpcockrell]

It was weird they showed michael had been going to the princess parties since they were little when he was In the closet In the first series. Also the episode really should have addressed Noah's perspective or reasoning, but no one talks to him (on screen). They just hear a rumor about him at the beginning of the episode, immediately believe it, because no way a guy could like Zoey over them unless hes prejudiced. Great friend group...and turn on Zoey, when all she did was accept a date from a guy. Then SHE has to apologize to THEM. And the guy's clearly straight, but even Michael is mad at Zoey like she took his mans.

[@SpeedyWeedyYT]

It’s so refreshing to hear a different take on this episode, because I had no idea the real depth of this issue! Great job on the video! By the way I want to point out that Micheal is dressed as Pocahontas to honor his native heritage, which is ironic because you’ll never meet a Native American who has something nice to say about Pocahontas

[@tylernereim8295]

Love the video, although I kind of have reason to pause in terms of your analysis of the way characters are presented as masculine/feminine coded. See I don't think it's inherently an issue to present certain female characters as being overtly masculine but rather it's the combination of masculine traits and framing that masculinity as undesirable and the impetus of jokes about the character (essentially framing women with masculine traits as inherently a bad thing) that is the issue. And while I find the underlying criticism to be valid (associating negative traits with darker skinned characters), I just think a greater deal of delineation is in order. But you know that's just what I think. And I wrote this comment 14 minutes in so apologizes up front if you end up addressing my criticism later in the video and I've just jumped the gun.

[@oceansolstice608]

Same it bothered me that she seems to have a problem with masc women?

[@66DoodleGal]

The creators of Proud Family clearly don't understand what real friendships are

[@jaderoze9156]

It's literally 2024 and colorism still exists. That is hard to wrap my head around.

[@solarichan]

Not only that, it was more like a “he said she said” situation. It never showed Noah himself doing anything necessarily and obviously wrong without the other characters describing what he’s doing, and maybe if that actually was the case, it’ll be just a teeny bit better.

[@labellenoiseuse5007]

I'm so glad that there's someone in the fandom sphere who covers topics surrounding colourism/misogynoir!

[@sapphic.flower]

I was so excited for the reboot and hearing it would handle modern day subjects like queer rights and colourism. But the reboot is such a drag to get through and I'd come out feeling more frustrated than appreciative. The show just felt really behind? Like we're at a point where representation is treated more casually and accurately already but Proud Family was still acting new and bewildered to stuff like gay rights or having autism (those episodes were capital R Rough). The show creator and staff are honestly not educated enough themselves to be able to put out PSA's. It's a shame because you'd think years later, they'd improve upon dated tropes but they just stayed in one place..

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

I feel like the Proud Family tried to debunk certain bigotries(both in original and reboot), but actually perpetrated many others ... such as sexism, colorism, classism, anti-Asian racism, and ableism to name a few.

[@espergarfield]

Let's talk about how Penny and Dijonay both HAD boyfriends while also trying to get with Zoey's

[@MorganRimming]

All imma say is this, you can tell not one black woman was present in that writers room during the making of this episode. Imma leave it at that, and leave it alone.

[@kythekunoichi]

....I cut it out the video but there were two black women writers, the main one being KyLee Evans. and the director was a black woman smh ...

[@Unskippable_Cutscene]

i didn't think about it this way. the afro-textured hair is gorgeous and i envy girls with thicker hair like that. i always thought showing hair styles like Dijonay's being in a thick, poofy afro-like style in the college episode was good representation as many white folk seem to think those kinda of styles are messy and not pretty. having characters with those styles gives representation and shows them in a better light as an example of being pretty and neat. that was my opinion until watching this video. i thought by showing those kind of hairstyles was good representation for coloured girls as to be proud of their hair type. i didn't know it was harmful representation

[@kythekunoichi]

Afro textured hair is beautiful, the issue is they assign it to negative portrayals of BLACK (not coloured) girls and women which leads to negative implications in the media. Remember; there had to be a law passed in the USA recently that made it illegal for employers and educators to disqualify and dismiss black women for wearing their natural hair to school/work. (And the law only passed in 14 of the 50 United States)

[@selfunique8052]

Thank you for this video. This episode has nothing to do with colorism but it keeps being referred to as the colorism episode. I was so confused and still am of where this label is coming from because no where in the episode title, description, or episode itself is the word or act of colorism ever mentioned. And yes the show, the OG and reboot, is made with colorism and probably won't address it until they're ready to take accountability for it. Nevertheless, I'm also relieved to see an opinion (other than my own) about how Penny and Dijonay at the most (if they didn't have boyfriends) have a reason for feeling the way they did. They were happy for Zoey when Noah asked her out until it was rumored that Noah exclusively didn't like girls of color. And everyone viewing this episode now sees Zoey as this poor innocent girl despite, at least in my opinion, Penny being done the worst in both series by her friends. Zoey rarely sticks up for Penny but makes Penny cry for not sticking up for her this one time. And now this episode antagonizes the black girls in the show and makes black girls come off as bitter and jealous. People are watching this episode and feel the girls are racists who are jealous and bullying Zoey, and this is bleeding into their thoughts on reality. I truly don't know if they'll ever fix the issues with the show. It has so much potential, even the characters they introduce like Noah, and then they just make it so hostile and negative. I really hope the third season is better but it's been what twenty years? If that's not enough time idk what is lol. Anyway, sorry this comment was long but this is the first video on this episode I can fully relate to. Also, I watched the Juneteenth episode. I don’t think it was that bad but I think they said something about slaves building the country and people didn’t like that too much 😂.

[@Urmumlel7025]

I am going to be honest here. I really don't think this is the show to do continuity like that. Everyone here got the short end of the stick.

[@tarnw3301]

You're right. Zoey rarely sides with Penny, but I still felt sad for how the girls ostracized Zoey.

[@helixsol7171]

Didn't one of the characters literally say the word "colorism" at some point?

[@naturalplayboy94]

I don't remember if they refer to it specifically as "the colorism episode" but the creators have used the word "colorism" in interviews to describe upcoming Season 2 episodes and their themes, as well as "exploring colorism via the Dijonay character" which... doesn't really sound like this episode at all, but it also doesn't describe any other episode either, so.

[@selfunique8052]

I agree with the replies and I do NOT agree with Zoey being treated the way she was in this episode because she had no clue Noah was like that. The only thing is that Dijonay and Lacienaga are always rude and even worse than this in most episodes; it’s part of many shticks in the show. So Zoey can’t be surprised about how they’re behaving here because her character shtick is co-signing their behavior. Viewers also shouldn’t be surprised because Penny’s friends have stayed on her back since the OG pilot 😅. And they’re surprisingly happy for Zoey… until they hear about Noah. Some of them took it out on the wrong person (Zoey). Ironically, however, it was Penny who reminded them it was just a rumor, but they didn’t listen to her because they never do 😂. Also, I might be mistaken. I don’t recall a character ever mentioning colorism in the episode but I could be wrong. Nevertheless, the topic that was explored in this episode was not really colorism. I should probably check out the interviews because that would be helpful but I’m not quite understanding which episode explores colorism with any characters let alone Dijonay. Maybe it’s the one where she meets her boyfriend? I have to rewatch it but I truly don’t recall it being a major topic in any of the episodes, unless it was brought up briefly in a few lines. Nevertheless, S2E6 had nothing to do with colorism, that’s a completely different topic. It would be colorism if, for example, Noah said he only liked light skin girls, or if he pursued Penny and she finds out that he has hatred for dark skin girls like Dijonay. That would’ve been better in my opinion because they’d probably have to show his behavior on screen if he’s with Penny. It’s crazy how this dude was on screen for like all of five minutes and caused this much chaos. He should’ve been a real villain/antagonist if they were going to do this, just like in the OG series a guy Penny was talking to turned out to be a jerk. But we saw it on screen and he served as an antagonist. Seeing Penny have to decide whether Noah is more important than her friendship with Dijonay or how Penny feels about darker skin girls, or having Noah overcome his thoughts about dark skin girls through Penny or other characters teaching him would’ve been a better way to handle colorism. But because Penny is now in a committed relationship, those episodes from the OG series where she’d meet a guy (ex. S1E8, S1E16, S1E21, etc.) and learn something in her brief time with him can’t really be done here. If the girls were slow to date like in the OG series, there probably would be less boy issues so soon in this new series, and maybe Zoey could’ve had her own love interests at some point without it being just something to move the plot forward or cause conflict between the girls. I apologize; this was long 😅

[@m.i.action8148]

I didn't really learn about colorism until I was older. While I was taught about racism from a young age, colorism didn't really pop up in my household with my mom and sister being light skin, my sister and I being brown skin, and two of my other sisters being dark skin.

[@p40v1der13]

The censorship was so funny 😭

[@dinosaysrawr]

In an interview with Slash Film, Bruce W. Smith said this is the episode he's most proud of, and it's like, dude, noooooo. The reboot is tons of fun and does many things right, but is unfortunately still plagued by some of the blind spots/biases, unnecessary and unfunny meanness, and moments of anviliciousness that dragged down the original show. This episode honestly feels like they originally set out to do a story about gossip and mean girl bullying and then tried to forcibly reshape it to have a colorism moral at the 11th hour.

[@kythekunoichi]

SERIOUSLY?! WooooOOOOooow that explains so much.

[@remixchild]

🤔… It’s almost like this wasn’t supposed to exist in the first place!!!

[@thegaybookpixie]

I am so happy to hear a POC's thoughts on the reboot. Cause all I've been hearing is a white person's POV about it. And honestly, you hit most of the points on the head.

[@FairyPrincessNia]

All of the pieces are there for an insightful commentary on colorism, but they couldn’t put them together right.

[@adriennemoore8170]

My biggest gripe ever was just the lack of solidarity as GIRLS/WOMEN. There is no privilege in women being objectified. Just felt so off-brand to not do an episode that above all other labels women are women, they should have each others backs, and objectification is bad no matter who it is or from whom.

[@cloclo5290]

I’m black and white(both my parents are half) and black men will be disappointed when I tell them I’m black. They assume I’m Samoan or Hispanic. It’s so weird to me..

[@reicho3034]

If Penny wasn’t already dating Kareem and they weren’t blaming Zoey, maybe this episode could have worked? Unfortunately not.😅

[@DeeLiteFull]

I have always hated how they did the darkskin characters

[@Ghostie_boi567]

I’m gonna take mental notes because I need to be able to write characters in my stories without having the things from shows I watched growing up that were actually very not cool I can’t do wording right now 😓

[@islagames4828]

19:16 Obama stuck around is wild

[@lilsoggins]

Besides liking white girls what exactly did this guy do wrong? It would’ve made more sense story wise to have him like her for her looks, and disregard her as a person, but I don’t remember them doing that at all. It was just her friends having a problem that he preferred her over them. Really awkward and weird situation and lesson .

[@genevieve7676]

It's like they were mad that Noah liking Zoey didn't fit their narrative of Zoey being the "ugly" friend.

[@Koki-hc3mw]

Stop being purposely obtuse. It’s colorism plain and simple to reject an entire demographic of people. Not 2 people are the same and colorism is basically saying I don’t like this entire group of people for reasons based on racism and self hatred.

[@Symphonia30]

I’m not usually one to call out writers is a cartoon shows but I just gotta ask, what were they thinking with this one? But I still stand by the ending being the only good thing about the episode where Myron ask Zoey to dance, and the whole scene alone is wholesome.

[@Palindome]

There's an episode where penny is locked out of the house (because she was being a 'rebellious teen'), this was in the middle of the night too. Penny is then forced to live with sugar momma and gets abused by her. Penny is forced to cook and clean for sugar momma, she doesn't even get to eat breakfast (which she made herself) on her first day there. Not only that, she also has to cook and clean for her uncle too. There's a montage in the episode that shows the various things sugar momma forced her to do, which includes BEING BAPTISED. Eventually, sugar momma gets injured and breaks several bones, penny now has power over her. Instead of getting revenge, penny starts taking care of sugar momma while she recovers, because 'she learned her lesson'. When penny finally gets to return home her mum says "I got my daughter back". The outright abuse penny goes through is portrayed as a good thing, I was genuinely appalled when I watched the episode

[@ChristaBlack-gn8ys]

0:50 Those shows were iconic not just old 😭

[@TeltStory]

I sometimes wish I was a black person, so that I could understand the depth of it. I think that the fear of the dark is the origin of racism. I hate how darkness is treated as unknown, evil, scary, lies, threatening and demonic instead of about dreaming, fiction, the power of the unknown to equalize, curiousity, passion, finding a path. I know light sometimes gets treated as strict, oppressive, overpowering, illusion, snobby, but more often it's treated as good, true, guidance, heroic, holy, just, uniting.

[@ALtheuncommonicedragon8360]

Great video! So when celebrity guy went up to Zoey I thought framing was more typical “cool guy likes nerd girl” and story was gonna focus on that. I didn’t think at time in scene colorism was at play. Like we’re so often taught about inner beauty/seeing past surface that’s how I read it. Was kinda surprised (but not turned off to theme) when went in colorism direction. But like it falls apart so quick cause girls are acting petty. They are acting on word of a rumor from new girl most cast doesn’t like in other episodes. And they don’t put in effort to investigate the validity of rumor or even try to confront Zoey about it. They just gossip & cut her out. It’s disheartening on so many levels cause so many easy ways this story could’ve been written better to not vilify the girls for resenting colorism & to actually give Zoey an arc where she meaningfully confronts this issue. But they don’t even let her be flawed like that cause her friends are ones effectively antagonizing her.

[@genevieve7676]

The message about colorism falls apart especially when light-skinned characters like Penny, Lacienega, and Trudy are considered the prettiest ones in the show.

[@darkstarmoonshadow]

I hv respect for all races, i look at a people not by color but personality, (color doesn't define people) And discrimination and racism discusts me.

[@DianaDxD]

Same here and I watched this whole video simply to be informed cuz I'm white but I know that this problem needs to be discussed

[@SorceressRose]

It's honestly weird, I remember episodes from the OG series that involve Zoey also being a poor friend, when something happens and it ends up being Penny alone, betrayed by all her friends, because Zoey ends up joining the wrong side. However, this episode that situation doesn't happen to Penny, it happens to Zoey and it's made x10 worse by adding in things like she was white and how she isn't pretty enough, etc. They can't go a single episode, where it gives focus to this group of friends and doesn't make it seem like the worst toxic friend group ever. It's made worse when Maya, the SJW, activist, etc is there to make the friend group more toxic with her point of views that are just so bad and toxic. She's really the worst added character and LaCienega being the rich spoiled narcissist we've known since the OG series isn't the bad one in the friend group anymore.

[@fearoffrying]

This needs more views! I thought you were going to go easy on them after the glowing (and deserved) intro. I really enjoyed this show as a kid, it felt nice to have a little black cartoon safe space, but like yourself I grew up and noticed the colorism and negative tropes for what they are. It's so sad that the reboot had a chance to take this show in a better direction and instead doubled down. You made so many great points, can't wait to check out the rest of your series!

[@kythekunoichi]

thank you so much! and its funny that you say this, because I went VERY easy on them LMAO The final version was my 3rd draft - I was nervous about being misunderstood lol

[@Mojo_Jojo9869]

ok but even if Noah only dates white girls it’s a personal preference in attraction. It’s not racist can’t force people to date anyone. Her friend’s are jealous they weren’t picked. I’ve been told I’m not dark enough before it goes both ways sadly it’s just preferences. Find someone who loves you for you.

[@tokenhollow]

Also great video. Your videos have been a recent addition to my feed and have been really enjoyable to listen to.

[@mmecharlotte]

I've never been a fan of the show, even the original. There was this weird hateful tone to the series that I picked up on as a teen, and it never sat well for me. Did I like that Penny was a black girl like me? Absolutely. But I didn't vibe with her or her friends. Those kind of kids wouldn't be in my crew because they'd cause trouble within it, they ain't loyal, and they'll sell you out in a heartbeat.

[@destinyawaitsyouofficial]

I watched the whole series, and the treatment of Hispanics/Latinos is similar to this. That joker looking dude that hangs out with suga mama is super stereotypical, and la cienega as well (rude and loud being a stereotype). In her first appearance in the rebooted series, they show her as super hairy on her face, which is a common stereotype within the Hispanic community. The fact that they made her dress as Elena because us Hispanics have no Disney Princess other than her 🤦🏻‍♀️. Their is so many more examples but imma just let ya do your own research

[@jacksparrowismydaddy]

yeah I didn't see Dejonaise as ghetto either.. I just figured she had a precocious personality, was an extrovert and because she was a kid exposed to the daily assault of beauty standards girls are bombarded with since elem entry school she's still trying to form her self. in high and middle school kids try to reinvent themselves so we do cringy ass shit and I didn't see her as any different. I guess thats how folks get away with sterotypes because we can reason out the benefit of the doubt. I feel so lied too, they did my girl Dj wrong.

[@vico3887]

20:57 this is not true, plenty of men have preferences against their race, brown/latino boys not wanting brown/latino women, white boys not wanting white women, asian boys not wanting asian women. it’s not talked about often in terms of other races, but it definitely happens where women are down talked by their own community for their skin color. this is not to negate your point because i agree wholeheartedly, and it is less common, but it’s not exclusive.

[@calelkestifer3570]

after hearing the summary of the episode, I can't help but wonder why they felt the need to portray Dijonay's hair as fake. What did that contribute to the rest of the episode, at all? Really weird that they would start with "the darker skinned girl has this undesirable trait" and then follow it with "isn't it weird and infuriating that Noah prefers Zoey???? Sympathize with Dijonay, please" like... they go out of their way to make the viewpoint that they seem to be trying to narrate from actively harder with that opening.

[@TonyTurner]

Great video ‼

[@aceelle6557]

I just wanna say, I don't think this was overanalyzing at all, you did a wonderful job putting all the things I felt watching this episode into words and then some! Though I totally understand the "overanalyzing" was probably just a silly/lighthearted self-dig or smth, I just wanted to say really liked how you *Actually* tackled all the issues with this episode- and this series- that I think so many people who were enraged by this don't even have the capacity to consider just based off their own experiences. I know I certainly didn't consider all of the stuff you mentioned in this video until you said it, and I think that it's pretty amazing that you did that. Thank you for taking the time to make this video!!

[@fubukifangirl]

The only colorism in this episode was Penny and Dijonay being willing to dump their darker-skinned boyfriends in favor of the lighter-skinned Noah.

[@ryanhillbom792]

Zoey is a genuinely pretty girl and a sweetheart, I have to admit I was genuinely convinced that this guy actually was interested in her for her, it's very unfortunate that that wasn't the case but it wasn't her fault the guy or her friend's were being jerks 😢😢😢😢😢

[@vico3887]

the shows obsession with shaming white people for being white is why i don’t want my little sister to watch it. too much hate in this world, i don’t want to teach her that. ofc i want her, as a black girl, to see shows with girls like her so things like moon girl or craig of the creek are what we watch.

[@acacacacacacaccaca7666]

We could have gotten more house of mouse*sighs*

[@Boxingdragon9479]

I know and sympathize that the video is on colorism. But Also want to bring up another episode that made me angry and showed writers’ opinions. Penny is trying to get one of the Chang triplets to do an assignment and they call her out on Model Minority Theory. Penny yells “Black people cant be racist”. Her SJW friend says Penny is right and how a person needs to be in a position of power in order to be racist. And minimizes Pennys racism as just being rude. “But black people CAN be rude” And they never readdressed it again. This pissed me off. No Penny, that wasn’t just rude. That was 1000% racist

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

I remember that, too. 😭

[@laciewilliams16]

“Wanna hear a not so fun fact?…cool” Idk why but that had me rolling

[@liv1522]

I was never allowed to watch Proud Family growing up because of the colorism in it and the ghettoness. My mom made sure to explain to us how colorist and racist the show could be.

[@fluffynyasquirrel]

its so ironic that they made this episode about colorism and snuck in anti indigenous racism

[@5505daniel]

not the "nutmeg"💀💀💀💀💀

[@idkaname1085]

Episode was strange in many ways. Maybe I am just dumb but though Penny and Djonay already had boyfriends? To the point they are also that that dance at the end of the episode. And if that's the case why are they chasing some teen starlett? I also feel that if the show was written in 2000s when it originally aired the moral or lesson might have been about well relationships. And take your pic on that too. You could go for the mixed race couple angle, social strata (both white and nerdy vs cool or black or how the star dude would obviously be way richer then Zoey), etc. Instead the episode just sorta rags on Zoey with her so called friends outright saying "you are so pale and nerdy, the only reason he likes you is cause he's got white fever!" then gets justified later. The boyfriends of both Penny and Djonay despite having very little screen time come off as more reasonable somehow with Penny's boyfriend saying something like "Why does this even matter?"

[@WeebGuru6]

Bro they gaslight the living heck out of the dudes and treats them poorly my gosh Zoey gets it bad but the dudes get it just as bad

[@MelonTartVA]

I honestly think they should’ve either spoken to Zoey about it, explain why they’re hurt or even confront Noah about it and see if it’s true. Explaining to Zoey why they’re upset would’ve made this episode better. But the fact Dijoney expects Zoey to understand is so wrong. I’m a white woman and I want equality for both races. The fact that Zoey was blamed for Noah’s discrimination is so wrong.

[@Moon525]

Thank you for bringing up all these points in the video. I never knew about these points, and learned a lot!

[@AnyWhoAlly]

Let's be honest, this episode was all an excuse to rip on the white character without repercussion, because she "deserved" it for being white. This wasn't "girl power" or anything, it was pure hate for the one character who was always kind, awkward, socially shy, etc.