The Psychology of Joffrey Baratheon

The Psychology In Seattle Podcast. Hosted by Kirk Honda. Episode: The Psychology of Joffrey Baratheon.
Sept 17, 2014
#PsychologyInSeattle #Joffrey #Psychology

[@bjornmormont6644]

"Who's the most hated villain of all time?" - David Benioff and D.B. Weiss

[@ConstanzaRigazio]

💯

[@redjirachi1]

This was made before their villain reveal

[@TheDarkRaven]

Man Joffrey VS The high sparrow would have been epic. lol. He would have killed him long before he got into power. For that alone, I kind of miss him...

[@visemarraellaeris3644]

Unlike Ramsey, people were actually able to control Joffrey pretty well. Tyrion and Tywin both intimidated him, especially Tywin and Joffrey don't always get his way. Ramsey was just a beast who wasn't intimidated by anyone and actually could fight and do damage. Ramsey is a much more capable and frightening villain than Joffrey who does much worse.

[@raffa4456]

And for some reason, people didn't hate him as much. Probably because he wasn't so incompetent. I swear, incompetence is something people hate more than cruelty. Watching someone get his way, even through immense cruelty and manipulation, people are fascinated by that and want to see how they do it.

[@godlessfornicater]

Hmmm... I wonder how much worst Joffrey would have been if he reached that age? Maybe people hate Joffrey more because he was cruel to characters viewed as sweet and honest on the show, while Ramsey we mostly see him torture and break Theon which is viewed as a traitor and "bad person" so it might not have such an impact?

[@possessedslig]

The only reason Joffrey was remotely scary was his position, take the crown off his head and he wouldn't have lasted five minutes in the real world. Ramsay on the other hand would still have been a dangerous person.

[@Youngmacho]

If Joffrey had learned to fight and many other things and was older I think he would’ve been worse like Ramsey, he’d be a real menace

[@louisebrind8326]

Joffrey was controllable and easily killed off in my opinion. Ramsey is an entirely different demon altogether. Joffrey became annoying towards the end whereas Ramsey I was waiting to see what he’d do next. He’s next act of evil was always more shocking than the next. He’s death was great and worth enough for the boss level villain he was.

[@matthewdietzen6708]

Most of Joffrey's bad behavior can be explained by observing that he was the product of an incestuous union, that he was poorly parented and made into a weakling and a coward with poor character, and that he was then made into a king as a teenager just so his family could have power, and that, observing that he was surrounded by sociopaths and killers, he attempted to overcompensate by trying to terrorize everyone with acts more vicious than what he had already seen to compensate for his own perceived weakness and the fear it generated in himself. A key scene is when he is humiliated in front of Sansa by Arya and her wolf. His entire demeanor changes after that. I think Cersei and Tywin were worse villains by far. They created Joffrey, raised him, made him king, and failed to check his worst excesses. However, it's easier to hate Joffrey because he's a spoiled whiny child, and a weakling.

[@andromeda5126]

I couldn’t say It better. Accurate analysis.

[@BJenno]

I believe his cruelty stems from how his father treated him. I’m not excusing what he did; but when you become hated by your father, it really mentally damages a child’s confidence. And I think he projects his trauma onto people.

[@jorgebersabe293]

That's half of the truth: Robert was an absent and abusive father who loved the fun parts of parenting but not the responsibilities that come with it. The other half of the truth is that Cersei made him believe that he was entitled to everything he desired, inflating his ego at every turn and anytime he had a whim, she indulged it.

[@ramsaybolton7281]

People think I'm kidding when I say Joffrey is my favourite character. Does Joffrey have borderline features? I relate a lot to him. 

[@ramsaybolton7281]

By the way, great video.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Sabaku no Gaara Thanks!

[@ramsaybolton7281]

Ben Cook I like to think of it as getting more joy out of life.

[@ramsaybolton7281]

***** I did but they kept saying they were considering putting me in a hospital every time I expressed anything and thought I was a threat to the support group so I left. They tried to contact me but I gave them the wrong address in advance.

[@ramsaybolton7281]

***** I'm tame.

[@hws8358]

Joffrey and Dolores Umbridge Ramsay for creepiness but not annoyance

[@mennyC64]

I would really like an analysis of tommen!

[@KarishmaChanglani]

There is one villain who I hate more. Burn Umbridge!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Karishma Changlani Indeed!

[@pauldourlet]

First lets get straight. A Psychopath is a Sociopath who has besides the diagnosis of being a sociopath other underlying mental health conditions.Albert Fish was a Psychopath. -One of the most evil men who ever lived..The person who I think Joffrey resembles is Giles de Rais .Serial Killers feel fear- for themselves-Ted Bundy by the accounts I read had to be dragged to the chair.Charles Starkweather went on a murder spree killing 13 people across Nebraska. Pursued in a high speed chase by a State Trooper in eastren Colorado- his car's windows were shot out . When his car stopped moving he stumbled out of the car bleeding from splinters of glass sobbing."Look at me I'm bleeding " he cried. People like Starweather ,Bundy and Joffrey have -um- comical reactions when they get hurt back.

[@godlessfornicater]

@eviltreemonster How is it well know that inbreeding causes psychopathy? Royalty was inbreeding for centuries almost everywhere. If there is a link between psychopathy and inbreeding, I would tend to think it's more about the mental state of the parents. Incest is a taboo in almost every culture (it is in GoT too) so the parents already show problematic behaviors and antisocial signs. (That's if it's consensual, if not it's even worst.) So the psychopathy of the inbred child could have more to do with how he is raised than having recessive psychopath genes? Does psychopathy even show up in the genes? I would like to see if you have studies, I'm curious about the subject.

[@Ausrastfunktion]

He actually dies at 14. He reigns 2 years.

[@maglor2414]

He was 13 in the books, he didn’t even reach 14

[@zacharyjohnson1193]

Love this from the book: "lord renly stifled his laughter. “my brother is too kind. i can find the door myself.” he bowed to joffrey. “perchance later you’ll tell me how a nine-year-old girl the size of a wet rat managed to disarm you with a broom handle and throw your sword in the river.” as the door swung shut behind him, ned heard him say, “lion’s tooth,” and guffaw once more."

[@vasilikipolychronidou6198]

Joffrey is my favorite character ever!!! I LOVE HIM

[@capybaraenthusiast101]

Yeah same, he was actually pretty funny. I even find myself missing him too.

[@LulitaInPita]

Elisha Nguyen I found the way others treated him to be more funny than him himself. Specifically sassy Sansa and badass Tyrion xD

[@Xhante]

Thank you so much for posting these recordings. I feel like I've found a treasure trove of lectures that I actually WANT to sit through and listen to. I have degrees in Psychology, Anthropology, and History. You're the sort of person who I would would love to have coffee with and pick your brain. Please keep doing what you do. I would love to hear your analysis of the triangle of Darnerys, Viserys, and Drogo.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks! That means a lot to me.

[@eugenx]

Joffrey = Caligula

[@eugenx]

Ben Cook Perhaps you are right considering Joffrey's response to his mother slapping him.. Being of course that Nero executed his own mother.

[@suspicious35]

+Darth Imperious Tyrion = Uncle Claudius

[@janebrown7043]

+ Darth. From the sounds of it - Nero had good reason to execute the egg donor - aka his mother.

[@lavinder11]

Darth Imperious Nah. More like Commodus. Caligula was anti establishment because of how they killed his father and the rest of his family. There was a reason behind his cruelty

[@LGranthamsHeir]

Joffrey = Trump

[@useresponsibly5317]

This is SO COOL that you did these series. I Read the books and I've watched the show and I love it. This is so interesting!!! Margerie was Olena's (Of house Tyrell) Granddaughter, not daughter, they did show Geoffrey's death on the show, and Nymeria (Arya's direwolf) reunites w/ Arya in Season 7 Ep 2 "Stormborn"where she invites her to join her on her way back to winterfell but Nymeria is the leader of the pack so Arya bids her farewell.

[@marysaunders1770]

Your explanation of Joffrey Baratheon is very enlightening. I reflect on him and have a whole different out look on his character. Thanks for that.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks, Mary!

[@stefanfilipovits9221]

Awesome video, very insightful.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Stefan Filipovits Thanks!

[@buergi]

Fantastic podcast. I really enjoyed it and would appreciate more episodes on Game of Thrones.

[@leaharvey5201]

I was hoping you would talk about Joffrey’s relationship with Marjory. Do you think he was faking being nice to her, or did he finally felt loved and accepted (what he desperately needs but never get from his father) by her and that’s why he was less cruel for a period of time?

[@Vetrarland]

I think Margaery did a masterful job at manipulating Joffrey, it seemed like she was probably the person he ended up respecting the most. She knew how he worked and how to handle him to the point of him pretty much only listening to her and if she was unhappy with something, she knew how to voice her concern and he backed down. It looked like he felt seen and accepted (I'm hesitant to say loved because there's very little love to be seen in him), Margaery took interest in what he liked and not only talking about it but also taking a part in it. Take the crossbow scene for an example, no one was probably interested in his new crossbow then Margaery comes in and acts excited about it, compliments its looks, wants to know how it works and asks if she can hold it. The look on his face after she asks him if he thinks she could kill something and seeing Margaery holding the crossbow with him like he's thinking "I've found someone that gets me and is worthy of my respect". That's just one example but overall I think he didn't think of her as beneath him like pretty much everyone else and enjoyed her company since Margaery kind of had him wrapped around her fingers. The question would he have eventually abused Margaery is questionable. He could have gotten bored with her especially if Margaery started slipping up on keeping him under control. It could've continued the way their relationship was and Margaery was already helping with shaping him into a better king, not a great king but you can see he did things she suggested that made him look like a better king in the eyes of the people. When she convinced him to walk together to the balcony and greet all the people, being hesitant at first but when they did go together and wave to everyone he looked happy and almost impressed when he looked at Margaery. Long story short, I think Margaery was the only person he ended up respecting and enjoyed her company, to the best of his abilities. With Margaery's manipulation skills she honestly could've created a powerful kingdom. Joffrey was still very young and that's an age where you're being "molded" as a person and with Margaery by his side who has the ability to mold him, to the best of her abilities of course.

[@leaharvey5201]

@@Vetrarland thanks for your answer! Very interesting 🙂

[@fabo36]

i found this to be very interesting...thanks for the upload

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

FabyBaby 36 Thanks!

[@extrememarioplush6859]

I love these. So interesting, it changes how I'll look at the characters re-watching. I'd love more game of thrones analysis

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Theon soon...

[@marysaunders1770]

From my own thoughts on Theon... his character went through the worst type of trauma based mind control... omg it really shocked me. To think that is a very real way of mind control and played out right in ones face is scary.

[@ICEMANdrake214]

Wow this is an amazing analysis! I'm currently in college for Psychology, and I found this to be extremely enthralling. From a die hard Game of Thrones fan you did very well! P.S. I would love to see one on Tyrion Lannister.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

ICEMANdrake214 Thanks!

[@jefflowe6327]

The Hound and Jamie Lannister would be pretty epic. They're some of the most grey characters in the series.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

An episode on The Hound is coming soon

[@alexandriafitts9262]

I liked both of these guys....Jamie being my favorite. I think it's because he's so hot

[@mokc913]

Can't believe I put this playlist off for so long - it's great! Thoughts on sadism: normal people might recognize cage fighting as consensual. I've struggled to keep watching football myself, knowing all the research coming out about brain injuries, and see cage fighting similarly (personally). Unless there are incredibly strict regulations and agents can give fully informed consent, it triggers tf out of me. When that level of consent is met, though? I have no guilt, and can definitely see the cathartic, even attractive nature of it Thanks as always for the content Dr H! I don't comment or react often, but if you/the team see this, very much appreciate what y'all do! It's inspiring and motivated me to get back in school for psychology myself:)

[@sunnypie2]

I've never read or listened to the books nor seen the tv show, but after listening to your analysis I am very much interested! Great analysis :).

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

sunnypie2 Thanks again, Sunnypie! The books are great.

[@sunnypie2]

PS: I love your psychoanalysis of "real" and fictional characters. Most fictional characters are based on real life individuals, so your analysis seems to be meaningful. Keep em coming! ;)

[@Dalbert342]

Psychology In Seattle Compared with Ramsey Snow,Joffery is good guy

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Dalbert342 I agree! :-)

[@tcpgblizzard]

N7 Titan Yeah, Ramsay is an evil bastard (Literally). Even more sadistic than Joffrey but smarter and more cunning. Luckily though he has nowhere near the power that Joffrey had.

[@LouiseAndersen1991]

These podcasts are really good. Please continue them. I know you're gonna do Theon soon, but what about Cersei? I think she would be very interesting to see from a psychological aspect

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks, Louise! Sure. Yeah, she'd be interesting.

[@HarryPotter812970]

I didn't read the books, so hearing all about this other side of Joffrey really surprised me. It seems like Joffrey is more 1 dimensional on the show compared to the books. You don't see much, if any, of his human side. I was shocked when you talked about how the book Joffrey sent the assassin to kill Bran for mercy, even if it was only to impress his father. I could never imagine the show Joffrey doing that.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks! Yes, the books provide a more a nuanced presentation of him.

[@dread205]

Your voice reminds me of Dr. Katz from the 90s show Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist. Calming!

[@cehyeddudottir4180]

Whoa, very interesting indeed! Thank you so much for doing this. I thought Joffrey und was auch very interesting character and even though I've only watched the show yet I really enjoyed your video. I am also writer and roleplayer and I really like to try to analyze my characters. I am not auf professional though. So this was very interesting and even somewhat inspiring and I am definately interested in more about the characters of these books!

[@TacoJim]

I've been in a bad way recently and some of these videos explain a lot about some of my problems.

[@PinkShoesAreSnazzy]

woah just cut myself from reading that comment.

[@tcpgblizzard]

Psychology In Seattle The only thing I'd disagree on is when you said if not for the Red Wedding the North and Robb Stark would have probably won the war. Actually, by the time the Red Wedding occurred the Northern cause was pretty much lost, the Ironborn has taken most of the western coast of the North and the held Neck, his army had been badly depleted by a number of defeats and the Karstark's leaving, the Iron Throne had just brought the Reach back into the fold (And House Tyrell are the second most powerful House in Westeros after the Lannisters), Dorne was back too along with the Stormlands and soon the be the Vale. So all in all it was only a matter of time before the Iron Throne came out on top. Just nitpicking though. Forgive me, lol

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

***** Good point!

[@leaharvey5201]

I did a little bit of research and I find this : « Inbred children commonly displayed decreased cognitive abilities and muscular function, reduced height and lung function » It’s coherent with the fact that people made fun of him for « looking like a girl » and not being good at fighting.

[@Timbot2002]

Please a video on the Psychology of Ramsay Bolton

[@marthaamum8907]

Ramsay Bolton is WAY WORSE

[@TheSchemer1]

+Martha Amum and way more badass!

[@marthaamum8907]

True so true

[@TheSchemer1]

It's weird because whilst characters like Ramsay Bolton and Gregor Clegane are morally worse than Joffrey and Meryn Trant respectively - the audience is compelled to route for the first two because they come across as cool, competent and badass whilst the other two are just cowards which makes them pathetic!

[@Awesomeduud]

And his twenty good men

[@TheSchemer1]

It's SER TWENTY of HOUSE GOODMAN!

[@hellshing4866]

I think Joeffrey tried to impress his mother. In fact, Cersei loved Robert from the beginnning (at least, when he was king, before, she might have loved Rhaegar). As she said to Ned, the first night they had, Roberts whispers "Lyanna" which was an humiliation for Cersei because she was inferior to a dead woman. That may be the reason why Joeffrey tried to impress his mother. To proves her he was ready to rule, with her, so she could have her revenge.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Agreed.

[@ngominh259]

You forgot many occasions which he disobeyed and insulted his mother. Joffrey did try to impress his mother, but I think this is not his main motive. He strove to be a man, a king. So he looked for the closest thing he had for such a figure: Robert. Robert drank, Robert whored but Robert mainly looked down on others - giving Joffrey the notion of being kingly. So I think Joffrey took this and combined it with his abusive nature (from killing animals out of curiosity) to rule.

[@lizett3465]

The theory about Cercei being in stress because she was worried about the hair and eye colour of her first child doesn't fit into the whole GoT story. The whole first book drama is built around the face that Jon Arryn was the first person ever in Westeros to discover genetics :D If people in the story understood how inheritance of such features works, there wouldn't have been the whole plot around Joffrey and Gendry.

[@jacknicholas5508]

Ramsay Bolton is more hated.

[@jonathanwedler4345]

I like him

[@Tigerheiress]

subscribed!

[@izzyako9193]

But I love joffery💝

[@KatTheEmpress]

Just spent an hour listening to a diagnosis of a man's imagination. How beautiful

[@ShahdAdelle]

Can you add English subtitles please? English isn't my first language and I find some words I don't understand Subtitles help me to pick words I don't understand and translate them in order to improve my English

[@eliasstebbins3457]

you are fantastic! please do littlefinger (petyr baelish) that would be awesome

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks! Will do!

[@CuteXone]

I can name a worse villain in the game of thrones. It’s Ramsey.

[@lauchzwiebel]

joffrey is my favorit character

[@regertz]

I agree that the most interesting thing about the vicious Joffrey is that although fictional he is very similar to a number of real rulers in history. As always the real thing is better or worse.

[@colinsands1366]

An interesting idea would be to psychology examine the mindless killing of bandit hordes in post apoclyptic television, video games and movies. I think I have a general idea on why these groups would act the way they do if they were real but I would love to hear your opinion on it.

[@Maukijktyt]

Colin Sands that would be interesting

[@PenguinNinja45]

Ramsey Snow would be great

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

RoseDawn Yeah, I'd love to do an episode on Ramsey but he lacks sufficient back story. Whereas Joffrey's story is available to us: his early childhood, his parents' relationship, etc.

[@tcpgblizzard]

Psychology In Seattle Have you thought of doing one on Petyr Baelish? He has some back story, more than Ramsay but less than Joffrey, which you can go on. And he is *the* master manipulator and gameplayer in the series... he has everyone dancing to his tune, even the likes of Tywin and Varys etc. When you see just how much he has done and just how many cards he may have up his sleeve, I honestly think he's one of the greatest villains in literary history. So subtle but so very dangerous. Great video btw, I don't know much about psychology but I got through the whole hour and a half in one sitting.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

***** Thanks for kind words! Hmmm... yeah, Little Finger would be fascinating and he has a back story that might explain his motivations.

[@tcpgblizzard]

Psychology In Seattle Ah, you deserve kind words, I really enjoyed this video and I'm going to watch a few more of yours as a result. Very interesting. If, *if* you ever do a video on him, I would suggest looking into all the theories about him (If you haven't already of course) just so you know the full picture of everything he has done and is doing and what might be motivating him. For example some people think he's a Reyne and is avenging his House... although I don't believe it at all.

[@the1andonlytitch]

Psychology In Seattle The hound would be good as well he must suffer some form of post traumatic stress disorder after the mountain burnt the shit out of his face

[@charredtodeath2205]

Ummm it wasn't that Cersei didn't want to have Robert Baratheon's child, it was the fact on their wedding night, the person he called out to was not her but Lyanna - the dead sister of Ned Stark and the woman he loved. It kind of... damaged her pride as a Lannister that boasted good looks, I suppose.

[@srreina8117]

Charred to Death no she actively sabotaged Roberts pregnancy attempts. In the books the only time she got pregnant with one of Robert's true children, she drank moon tea, a natural contraceptive in their world, and shortly after the baby was lost. She said as much to Eddard in the first book.

[@raidosoo5734]

How do explain Tommen and Myrcella though? They are different like day and night compared to Joffrey.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Raido Soo Good question. Often, in families, we find that one child tends to take on the family pathology. Perhaps Joffrey was elected to be that person.

[@shaunflavour6366]

To me, Jofferys personality would make a lot more sense if he were an only child. My best friend growing up was an only child, he would take pleasure in beating up his cat, punching it for fun. I find only children to be strange and selfish people. The eldest of siblings (like me) usually has a sense of responsibility over the others, which Joffery doesn't have at all.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Yes, for various reasons, children in the same family often have very different personalities: genetics, family role, sibling order, etc.

[@JHowesitgoing123]

+Raido Soo Don't the books offer a little more explanation? Cersei wasn't nearly as 'invested' in those children as she was with Joff. The show makes it seems like there's genuine love, but there isn't, she's possessive, but not loving. Maybe the extra attention she gave Joff helped tip the scale. We also have to consider the idea that something might be wrong with him, like an actual personality disorder or mental illness, you find that often only affecting one of many children.

[@andromeda5126]

@@shaunflavour6366 Just wanted to say that I’m the only child aswell and I would never even think about beat my animal up. I was actually pretty empathetic with it and normally played with It. I even cried when It broke It’s leg and stuff. We’re not all like that.

[@l.tc.5032]

Id say your right he does match the classic symptoms of CD I'd suggest putting him on MST for treatment. He'd be a doosy of a case but I have hope.

[@karinzohar9387]

please do an episode about sansa!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Will do!

[@FLHBR]

Here's a suggestion: Lance Armstrong. He's a cancer survivor, which must have been traumatic, and he is a professional athlete, which demands a great deal of sacrifice and egocentrism. I wonder if this formed his personality to the point that he became the kind of man who manipulated other people to keep his program of deception intact during his career. I'd love to know your thoughts, Dr Honda.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Good suggestion. Coincidentally, I was just thinking about doing an episode on him. I think his childhood would be interesting to dive into.

[@Waltham1892]

Joffrey Baratheon: Personality Disorder, Cluster "B".

[@andromeda5126]

🤣🤣💀

[@srreina8117]

Could you do Robert or Stannis? Or even Cersei?

[@godzillafanatic385]

This is fuckin awesome

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

godzillafanatic385 Thanks, Godzilla!

[@arcanewonders9641]

I liked the parts of the video that went into Joffrey’s relationship with his father. I liked it in a very interesting way *wink*.

[@zacharyjohnson1193]

Somehow you've made me feel bad for Joffrey. Imagine if he had a good childhood and exhibited good mental health. He and Sansa could have unite the kingdom against the white walkers.

[@gypsyqueen411]

That scene where Joffrey was killed was SO epic! I think everyone wanted him d e a d. I didn't read the books so the series was great.

[@totesjokin]

Dude, you work right down the street from me! I live in Belltown :D

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Hey neighbor!

[@pasqualinapoppa2380]

Hi I love listening to you I live in England and was a psychiatric nurse for many years untill things got unbearable I now work as a support worker and am on minimum wage! I am still passionate about people and through listening to you I would like to re-train in some kind of theraputic capacity. I listened to this for the second time and I remembered a film my ex tried to make me watch it was called The human centipede I got about half an hour into it and found it deeply disturbing it should have alerted me to his personality ,but I unfortunately didn't listen to my gut as you can imagine this relationship near enough destroyed my life I would love to hear what you think ? Sorry I am not a Patrion as I am struggling financially at the moment but but will definately sort it out as soon as I can, keep up the good work. Also you are incredibly cute it had to be said!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Thanks! I'm so sorry that happened to you. Abusive/scary partners can (as you said) destroy others' lives. It sounds like you got out of it. Good for you.

[@MichaelJacksonFan001]

I really like this. It was really education. I was a fan of Joffery. I was wondering if you could do an episode on Lysa Tully. She's not my favorite charcter but hearing a professional take her personality would be cool.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Ellen McLeod Thanks!

[@edinscot56789]

Joff is a result of his upbringing more than anything else. His siblings were normal, so I reject the notion that its genetic.

[@jakofthefrost]

Gonna be honest, I never put together that Joffrey was the one who sent the assassin after Bran, for some reason I always thought it was Cersei or Jaime

[@Maukijktyt]

Do walder frey please, i love watching your video”s👍🏻

[@kanayabhattacharya2165]

There is one more villain, maybe not more hated, but more dangerous and unpredictable - Ramsay Bolton.

[@azaanwaseem2292]

I suppose Griffith of Berserk would be a good contender.

[@MontyQueues]

he's a nice guy overall !

[@joshuacupido4907]

yeah

[@hhattonaom9729]

Turns out the most hated villains of all time were the actual show runners. Truly ironic.

[@halo091]

in most medival fantasies and I think in medival times some swords were named

[@oscarhaydenperditionbound1195]

How about a psychoanalysis of Tony Soprano?

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

+Oscar Hayden (Perdition Bound) Ooo, good idea.

[@oscarhaydenperditionbound1195]

+Psychology In Seattle Thank you ☺️

[@songbird6414]

Joffrey’s so fun because, regardless of his incredibly infuriating actions, he’s still just a kid. That’s all. Personally I’ve so far found Cersei to be a much more irredeemable villain(only at season two though). She’s just cruel.

[@petermj1098]

A kid who murders and plays with prostitutes bodies with a crossbow

[@ajayakumarkareepra6631]

I would say amon goeth from Schindler's list is little bit heatable as joffrey

[@pavelslama5543]

1:24:11 Meanwhile me, who´s probably a sadist - my 3 most played PC games: farming sim 22, Assetto Corsa (car racing sim), Railroads online (railroad sim)

[@fernandaespinola8183]

Great analysis! I just wanted to comment that while it might not be scientifically proven or accurate, in the ASoIaF universe, mental disorders as a consequence of inbreeding (specially among siblings) is heavily hinted at. The Targaryen are a clear example and along their family tree you could safely say that about half of them were catalogued insane or decent/great rulers, there was even a known saying among common folk and nobility "every time a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin". The problem with inbreeding is that because siblings have very similar DNA, there's little genetic variation and thus any potential genetic problem that one or both parents may have is more likely to 'show' itself on the offspring.

[@marleneg7794]

Poor Sansa.

[@Nesree0]

Griffith from Berserk is probably more hated.

[@spadinnerxylaphone2622]

I kinda feel bad for Joffrey. Like dont get me wrong, the stuff he did was horrid; but he was obviously mentally unwell and had next to nobody guiding him the right way

[@LulitaInPita]

1:03:39 *"Does the disturbance in behaviour cause clinically significant impairment in social, academic or occupational function? ... I would say yes, because eventually someone killed him." * LOLOLOL!!!

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Ha!

[@nyxnecrodragon4256]

Cersei did want to marry Robert but it changed on their wedding night when Robert called her 'Lyanna'. Referring to Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister and Jon Snow's mother who ran off with Rhaegar Targaryen.

[@1000Demons]

Ramsay Snow! Ramsay Bolton! Same damned series!

[@lindsaychambers]

You got me.. I can’t think of a worse villain.. because I understand why Darth Vader became Darth Vader.. in the end.. you felt for him.. I mean all the happiness and cheers everybody felt when he died on the show.. yes.. the little shit got it.. which is messed up because he was still a little kid.. but he was just that awful.. but when a psychologist gives a conduct disorder diagnosis.. I mean.. without major changes that’s one stop away from a psychopath or similar diagnosis yes.. pretty much a nice way of calling a kid a psychopath.. yeah.. by the way.. that’s a little bit my little sister.. not entirely.. she didn’t hurt animals.. but rarely does everybody fit an entire bill.. everybody thinks I’m adopted when they find out who my family is..

[@KatakunaAlex]

Ramsey Snow.

[@alexandramiller4932]

ok bro. I have never met a single person who genuinely hates Joffrey. Dolores Umbridge is WAY worse.

[@fabo36]

Nymeria never gets found :(

[@marie-christineroth9390]

FabyBaby 36 She will return. What would be the Point of having her running around with a pack of over hundred wolves if they are not gonna come back as a weapon?

[@francoisturcotte3982]

question: would you say that Joffrey is a sexual sadist? At least in the show it seems to be the case. He doesn't show much on sexual tendencies or attraction. When Rose the prostitute try to get off his clothes off him he doesn't like it, but he seems to be excited by seeing Rose mistreating the other prostitute. When Margery tells him she could kill something with the crossbow and would he like it he almost seems sexualy attracted to it. idk just a thought, I always saw Joffrey as a sexual sadistic who torture people because it sexualy excite him while Ramsey does it just for the sake of doing it because he's a pure sadist who love suffering. what is your thought about this?

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

I forget. Did I talk about sexual sadism in this episode? If not, yeah, he exhibited some of those traits.

[@francoisturcotte3982]

@@PsychologyInSeattle you do but you don't mention he has or maybe i didn't catch it. Anyway thx for confirming my impression on this matter!

[@VictoriaTraducciones]

Olenna is Margaery's grandmother, not mother

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Right. My bad.

[@Unholy_Mango]

Nobody hates Skeletor

[@misssincere5762]

His Dad probably knew something was off with his kid and felt like he could be it out of him. 🙄

[@jorgebersabe293]

Yet Robert made no effort to solve it. Robert likes the fun parts of parenting, but not the responsibilities.

[@faisalkamal4319]

Mommy and daddy time 🤣

[@giangione82]

emm i'm listening this playng "Plague Inc"...i'm sadic?

[@jeffreypalmers9161]

Not a main villain, but Shou Tucker from Fullmetal Alchemist is pretty well hated by any fan of the series for a particularly hideous thing he does in order to keep his State Alchemist status.

[@faisalkamal4319]

Lott's of c@#$, name there sword

[@liquidmark5081]

I can think of worse… Ramsey Bolton. He’s basically Geoffrey only actually competent.

[@user-yz6em4ng9u]

RAMSAY BOLTON AHHHHH

[@fujimaruhusky2700]

deloris umbridge

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Fujimaru Husky Ooo, that'd be a good character to analyze!

[@zardox78]

They probably took out the "sadistic personality disorder" classification because people didn't like the way it sounded. The word "sadistic" became commonly used, with a negative connotation. Kinda like "retarded". It just sounds like an insult, because it's been misused as one, more often than not. And even when it isn't being used as an insult, the fact that it SOUNDS like one automatically offends those with delicate sensibilities and/or those predisposed to find and take offense wherever they can.

[@PsychologyInSeattle]

Interesting. I could see that.

[@EM-gx9iv]

:o

[@alexhaleniuk4852]

Ramsay Bolton is MUCH WORSE

[@realSimoneCherie]

Joffrey tops Ramsey because he had more power as the King. A sadist with a throne is worse.

[@desmondandtheirqueerdragons]

Ramsey snow might be hated more