Analyzing Evil: Joffrey Baratheon

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Hello everyone and welcome to the one hundred thirty-second episode of Analyzing Evil! Our feature character for this video is Joffrey Baratheon from ASOIAF and Game of Thrones. I hope you enjoy, and thanks for watching. If you have any feedback or questions feel free to let me know below!
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[@jarrodgoforth1257]

You should do Albert Wesker from Resident Evil

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[@_The_Archive_]

Fun Fact: Jack Gleeson received a letter from George R.R. Martin after the show aired, stating: "Congratulations on your marvelous performance. Everyone hates you!"

[@celldh0825]

A horrible letter to recieve in most contexts...

[@operationangel7940]

I think the actor stated that he never actually watched Game of Thrones despite acting in it. All he knows about his character comes from the script or what everyone else tells him.

[@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppies]

Grrm is hilarious

[@SankyEON]

@@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppies his funniest joke is having an entire TV show based on his book series start, end, and wait for at least 4 more years before releasing the next installment.

[@brenttrotter88]

Pretty sure he gave up acting after this role.

[@erikdayne5429]

One minor correction- Joffrey wasn’t murdered. He poisoned himself so he wouldn’t be around when the show fell off a cliff.

[@Visitormassacre]

Truly we all reveal who we are at the end.

[@danyf.1442]

Good one!

[@1998topornik]

XD

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

That's epic fan cannon lmao

[@joshdk97]

Bruh you got me 🤣

[@petermj1098]

I like how Joffrey and Tommen have the opposite downfalls as king. Joffrey was too selfish, too mean, and hardheaded as king. Tommen was too selfless, too nice and softheaded as king.

[@jorgebersabe293]

Like Aenys and Maegor: -Joffrey was like Maegor, strong and decisive, but utterly psychopathic and thought that spilling blood was the solution to all his problems. -Tommen was like Aenys: Kind and amiable, yet weak and eager to please, who thought he could please everyone.

[@TDenterpriser]

Tommen is still alive in the books

[@whitewitch32]

​@@jorgebersabe293Margor did what has to be done, and he became mad after he was hit in head, but he did everything to save his family. Joffrey will lead his family to downfall like Mad king Aerys.

[@sugarpearl9781]

I mean…they were both abused children. They never had a chance

[@HuntingViolets]

@@TDenterpriser This video, although it mentions the kitten incident, seems to lean more on the show (murder of Ros, etcl).

[@kylehurst4584]

I hate how people take their hatred and anger out on the actor because people can’t distinguish him from the character because he did such an amazing performance.

[@LINX29X92]

He’s evil

[@eevve9894]

He said in interview that nobody was bulling him.

[@yannick245]

I think this is happening more often to soap opera actors, with a, let's say not that bright of an audience. They often _"live the show"_ and don't separate it from reality.

[@rais6036]

Nah idiots always hate on actors

[@fightvale57]

do people do that to him?

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

I love how Joffrey obeyed his mother's lessons on how wrong it is to hit a woman, deciding to order a knight to hit her for him. Without a doubt, a logical decision at the level of the undoing of the Gordian knot

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

A mental move worthy of the undoing of both of those.

[@alilweeb7684]

He's definitely a "if you are homeless just buy a house" type of person

[@insultlk]

Joffrey and Ramsay are entertaining to watch, defo the best characters for getting in a laugh. Ramsay be saying the funniest things tho

[@sibongisenikhumalo8198]

I think his "father" told him that. Remember when the king slapped the queen? He said it himself that it was unkingly

[@TheStapleGunKid]

Well it really wasn't about obeying his mother, it was a general trend: Joffrey only has others commit violence for him. He doesn't personally carry it out (with the exception of violence against a few prosititutes). When he wants someone executed or mutilated, he has Sir Illyn do it. When he wants someone beaten he has Trant do it. He's the polar opposite of Ned Stark's vew that he who passes the sentence should swing the sword.

[@Crimson28]

You know Jack Gleason did a phenomenal job when the entire world hates your character with a passion and was delighted when he died via poisoning

[@Jartran72]

And Jack is such a nice kid/man too. So charismatic in interviews. If you see him talk and smile you really get to see how well he acted out the role of Joffrey.

[@terminator572]

​@@Jartran72 its always the absolutely saintly that perform as the worst dregs of humanity isn't it?

[@margarethmichelina5146]

I heard he got married privately last year in Ireland. Good for him for finding a true happiness in real life.

[@thesenate1844]

I feel so bad for actors who get hated just because their characters are meant to be unlikeable villains

[@Prashant-xl1rv]

And then wanted him desperately back when High Sparrow took over the city under Tommens reign

[@hez859]

The fact Joffrey thought he could take on Robb Stark in sparring is actually comical

[@jeanrose1627]

In the books Joffrey IS bigger than both jon and robb even if they're older than him Physically he's a small jaime Lannister and his father was one of the best fighters so he's got a huge ego

[@htsandw4496]

In the books he fought with Robb to a draw in a swordfight. He wasn't as craven as he is in the show

[@beloved-child]

In the show he thought and bragged about sparring and killing Stannis, not Robb. Tyrion mocked him as he walked away. Didn't read books surprised he was less of a coward

[@josue.ortega]

In the books he is quite large and brawny for his age, about as old (early teens) as Robb, and practices swordfighting regularly

[@pacoramon9468]

He is way more pathetic in the show, in the books he was more physically imposing.

[@zinkheroofyoutube8004]

I'm glad someone acknowledged Robert’s influence on Joffrey, not just Cersi

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Everyone acknowledged it, it's just that Cersei was far worse, so making a video on her influence makes more sense than Robert.

[@Delightfully_Bitchy]

Also, the TV show really beats you over the head with how similar Joffery and Cersei are, so I don't blame people for focusing on that more. The book makes it clear that Joffery was trying to emulated his father in his own way.

[@Killerqueen69420]

You the mean the lack of

[@eevve9894]

​@@Killerqueen69420He was giving Joffrey brutal ideas like he suggested killing Bran is a good thing for him, because he cannot walk now. Robert said that when he was drunk, but he also ordered killing Daenerys because she's dangerous as a Targeryen.

[@professorsassafras]

Oh don't get excited while Robert helped dig Joffreys hole Cersei probably did the push and put the final nails on the coffin. The sad thing is Joffreys whole life is a lie told to him by cersei and he lives and dies never realizing the truth. Cersei by cheating on the king inadvertently started a war. Yes Joffrey did the execution but without cersei's cheating a war would not have happened. Also to note that Joffrey was only put on the throne out of cersei's desire to rule herself. Joffrey never realized he is not a true king or heir, to cersei Joffrey was just a ticket to ruling. And that's it, I genuinely think that when Joffrey died cersei was mourning the loss of her ticket to power more than her loss of a child. Jamie never did nothing, Tyrion and tywin are the only people who actually tried to teach Joffrey something and restrain him. Joffrey never realized that Ned Stark was right.

[@johnrivers5798]

Perhaps the most hated and vile villain on television, but you can’t deny the incredible staying power he had in the show. Truly one of the most captivating villains of all time

[@little6315]

today people criticize the direction that the writing of the tv show took, but one of the great hits was joffrey, they turned a somewhat forgettable character from the books into one of the greatest villains of tv shows, the actor deserved much more recognition

[@adamweisshaup]

@@little6315 Somewhat forgettable in the books? Compared to whom?

[@THE_GUY_ONE]

@@little6315 Instead he got so much shit, that he decided to mostly stay away from acting.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

In terms of television broadcasted fictional villainy being bated, Ramsey Bolton, the boy who backstabbed Jon Snow, Littlefinger, Cersei, and the orchestrators of the Red Wedding competes pretty hard with him. In terms of the most vile... well, we have a galaxy of those.

[@little6315]

@@adamweisshaup who cares about him in the books? he hardly appears and when he appears he is basically a cersei but only with the sadistic part, in the show at least he has something to analyze

[@personahearts358]

No matter how much we hated Joffrey, we look back on our time with him fondly in comparison to the last two seasons of Game of Thrones

[@Daniel-bb9qj]

Season 5 and 6 weren’t great either. When Joffrey died the show fell off haha

[@browniebear]

​@@Daniel-bb9qjthe show officially fell off after Tywin died along with the ommision of Jaime's confession that Tysha wasn't actually paid off by him and Tywin and that she actually did love Tyrion, which was massive in Tyion's development

[@Daniel-bb9qj]

@@browniebear yeah

[@kittylover62]

We love to hate him

[@margarethmichelina5146]

​@@Daniel-bb9qj At least there was still Ramsay who was as worse as Joffrey and more sadistic but still they don't have to give Jeyne Poole's treatment to Sansa like that as it ruins her character arc and why would Littlefinger sent her back to Winterfell by the same people who killed his childhood crush? He can't be that stupid! And then he got replaced by Euron Greyjoy a.k.a "We got Ramsay Bolton at home."

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

"It's hard to put a leash on a dog when you've already put a crown on its head."-Tyrion Lannister to Cercei about Joffrey

[@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppies]

"I AM THE KING!!" ~ Joffrey, 17 Minute video "Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king." ~ Tywin, 1 hour and 10 minute video

[@bosertheropode5443]

I AM THE KING! I AM THE KING! I AM THE KING DR HAN!

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

@@bosertheropode5443Dr Tywin

[@armouredjester1622]

Tywin was right, though. Joffrey was not the true king.

[@perfectallycromulent]

Tywin was wrong in more ways than one. There's no such thing as a "true king." that's a philosophical strawman designed to stop arguments not clarify anything. And thousands of years of earth history shows that the best way to be considered something is to say it over and over again. It's why Roman emperors put their faces on coins and put statues of themselves everywhere. i'll go with the pharoahs of Egypt, and their tireless efforts to spread their images and names, for advice on managing reputation as a monarch before a fictional example. you want people to think you are the king, you say it again and again and you make them do the same.

[@danny_decheeto8300]

Hands down probably the most hated character in that show

[@henriqueantunes457]

Nah Cersei, is worse for me. She made joffrey, and she is the most infuriatingly oblivious evil genius. In the books at least.

[@JamesJohnson-tr1gu]

Ramsay Bolton has entered the chat

[@Something8830]

‘The Late’ Walder Frey

[@danny_decheeto8300]

@@Something8830 true that mf was awful

[@ImGonnasayit]

He was a little shit and played the role well. I easily hated Ramsay and Walter more than I did him

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

*Fun fact:* Joffrey is heavily based on Emperor Caligula. In addition to having an appearance quite similar to the Emperor's, his extravagant cruelty is basically identical. It's quite possible George R. Martin was specifically inspired by the Caligula from the Anthony Burgess' book "The Kingdom of the Wicked", in which that Emperor commits acts as cruel as lunatics, such as serving his guests cooked babies or filling with semen the pillow he uses to suffocate Tiberius

[@FirstOfTheMagi]

And then he made his horse Consul! Funniest shit I've ever seen.

[@little6315]

Based on edward of lancaster too

[@TheMan-je5xq]

@@FirstOfTheMagi and supposedly declared war on the sea god Neptune I hear lol

[@FarmerSlayerFromTheEdoPeriod]

​@@FirstOfTheMagiAnd after leaving the empire in his Horse's capable hooves, Caligula looks to more important matters

[@kallemattiwaris2422]

I recall reading that the guy was initially pretty popular and fairly capable emperor. He then was poisoned or simply fell ill. After months of fewer, he finally got better, but turned into a paranoid, insane monster.

[@davidrosas2127]

Holy shit I never realized the fact that Joffrey was just hunting like his “father”

[@Druzica18]

me either holy cats (ha ha)

[@clubkid13]

Joffrey was so evil he even caused Jack Gleeson to suffer

[@spoonbrero]

It sucks Jack Gleason got so much hatemail from crazy fans, he absolutely nailed the role - I hope to see him in more stuff in the future

[@olofacosta3192]

He apparently didn't . He has said in interviews that he never got any hate for the role

[@Kingedwardiii2003]

@@olofacosta3192he did and so did Leena Heedy who played Cersei, Jack I think is pursuing a degree from a Christian university.

[@olofacosta3192]

@@Kingedwardiii2003 he's said in in a interview that he didn't get any hate for his role as Joffrey. Lena did get some awkward interactions though

[@margarethmichelina5146]

​@@Kingedwardiii2003 What I heard is last year, he got married privately in Ireland along with his friends and family. So, he's been coming a long way.

[@FabalociousDee]

@@olofacosta3192 Thank God! He seems like a genuinely nice guy IRL.

[@pasajerodelabrujula8261]

Superb acting by that kid, regardless of how much he was hated. He was Caligula level of acting on par with Jay Robinson. Might be an overstatement, but for a essentially a child to evoke rage from people watching him play Joffrey is a testament to the level excellence he achieved such acting.

[@quitcallinmebill1699]

Wrong. He was an awful actor. Lindsey Lohan was a better actor

[@c.f.bellairs1055]

@@quitcallinmebill1699 boring troll strat, try again

[@bruhistantv9806]

He was 19 when he started acting as Joffrey, not really a kid. Good youthful genes nevertheless

[@shaanalam3872]

@@quitcallinmebill1699 bait

[@RmsOceanic]

The books heavily imply that Joffrey's tangles with Bran Stark didn't end with refusing to comfort Lady Stark. An assassin makes a failed attempt to kill Bran with a dagger that is eventually traced to belong to King Robert. The implication is that Joffrey took the dagger and gave it to the assassin to do the deed with. And there are two possible motivations for this act: Either his general cruelty, or a horribly misguided attempt to earn favour from his father, for after learning of Bran's crippling, Robert lamented that keeping such children alive might actually be crueler than letting them die.

[@tianamIV]

That second possible reason honestly makes him in my mind actually seem like a child. I think it’s easy to forget Joffrey is a child but that really paints it clear for me

[@vivvy_0]

@@tianamIVit’s sad we never got to see any scene where joffrey talked about it

[@tianamIV]

@@vivvy_0 right!

[@olofacosta3192]

Another thing to note is that Joffrey seems obsessed about torturing sansa after she seems him weakly beg for his life. As if he's overcompensating for her seeing his weakness. He does the same to Tyrion after he slaps him as you noticed and it seems to be a Lannister thing lol(never forget a slight)

[@louwinters508]

Tywin was similar. He didn't like people laughing because he thought they were laughing at him. All three children are all Lannister. I'm pretty sure Tywins wife was also a Lannister. So there has been no new blood for a while. Tommin resembles Tywins father in personality. Joffrey resembles Tywin and Cersie but is also a bit of a coward in the show at least.

[@olofacosta3192]

@@louwinters508 Tyrion is like a mix between Tytos and Tywin too

[@korawitbuttramee618]

@@louwinters508 Joffrey is also a coward in the book as well when it was clear he was in actual danger. He acted all talk, but the moment he saw his own blood, he was reduced to a sniveling crybaby screaming for his mother to save him.

[@jjleblanc8151]

Joffrey is what happens when an evil nature meets power at a young age, if he had lived longer he could’ve been one of the most evil characters in television history

[@axelhopfinger533]

Don't forget the factor of extreme privilege and shelteredness with simultaneous complete absence of personal responsibility or any moderating benevolent influences by persons of trust. Kid really had no chance turning out as messed up as he did. Spiled rich kid raised by a posessive, psychopathic single mom with an absent father and too few male figures of authority to teach him boundaries and develop his character.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Also, don't forget he got raised by a spoiled narcissitic mother.

[@Jackal_El_Lobo34]

He’s a textbook Malignant Narcissist that rivals the likes of Marque de Sade in terms of sadistic sexual evil and vial cruelty.

[@LockedDownSpectator]

In the spirit of the story, he really was not going to live long into his teens, to be fair. He will have made too many enemies even Tywin could not protect him from. For instance, I don’t think a hothead like Loras would have stood for him abusing Margaery.

[@cuckertarlson3329]

Na bruh. Ramsey Bolton was way worse. Because joffery was cruel and evil yes but he was also a coward. Ramsey was more evil and not a coward at all

[@danyf.1442]

I remember watching the purple wedding episode at a "game of thrones viewing party" in a bar. Literally the whole crowd cheered when Joffrey died...that's quite telling lol!

[@ayuwoki453]

lmfao that's hilarious

[@reynanlamsen2007]

"Rest in piss bozo lmao"

[@isabellesutherland2137]

Please do an episode on Cersei Lannister. The actress did such an amazing job portraying her and she’s by far on of the most interesting characters in the show.

[@raymondsims7042]

She’s one of the best characters in tv history

[@360entertainment2]

“He’s monumentally stupid”, I couldn’t have said it better myself. If Joffrey had the kind of control chances are his kingdom would’ve been easily conquered, he would’ve overlooked any advice given to him by more experienced leaders and probably would’ve tried to hang out in the front line. I can only imagine him screaming from a dirty cell in the North or complaining about a water leak in the cell of an Iron Isle dungeon. Hell, him freaking out in a sky cell would’ve been hilarious too!

[@Moldylocks]

He would never be in the frontlines of any battle, he's a mama's boy, she wouldn't let him, even if he had the balls to go (which he didn't). Although I agree with the rest of your points, he definitely would've sown distrust all around everywhere he went, the allies his father has secured would join other legions real fast if he had any real power.

[@jeremiahsymonette4781]

Unlikely. He not dumb enough to get in the way of those who know what they're doing. He woulda just enjoyed the spoils of being king while taking credit for all the real work that got done. Like he did when tyrion saved the city from stannis. The only possible thing that could happen is a rebellion because the kid was sadistic

[@favoredhustlekai]

I feel like the mental illness and incestuous blood line had a lot to do with it. He basically was like his great great grandfather book wise

[@louwinters508]

Really. I don't know anything about him. I'll have to look it up.

[@favoredhustlekai]

@@louwinters508 the books give a great insight but the shows GOT and HOD are worth watching as well

[@louwinters508]

@@favoredhustlekai I've watched both but not read much of the books. I want to wait till they are finished if they ever are. I looked up his great great grandad Gerold is it. He doesn't seem much like Joff. Although yes he was a sneaky murderer apparently.

[@allye4228]

If it was because of incest why don’t Myrcella and Tommen have similar personalities to Joffrey? It’s mainly because of Robert’s neglect and Joffrey being the crown prince would have a mother as terrible as Cersei would devote all her attention to him.

[@tianamIV]

⁠​⁠@@allye4228 genetics work like that. One kid could get some genetic vulnerabilities to things other kids won’t. This genetic vulnerability to mental illness and development of psychopathy was triggered by his environment (the factors you named).

[@noble9864]

Joffrey's an evil SOB, but I can't deny that he's got a great sense of fashion.

[@helenrose5383]

True! He is the best dressed in the whole of Game of Thrones, better than Cersei, Daenerys and Tyrion.

[@FabalociousDee]

He was pretty dripped out. 😄

[@ashleyjones2137]

@@FabalociousDee lol! 😂

[@Enforcedformula]

I got to meet him at a convention in 2017, I remember having a great conversation with him, and about how a character like it Joffrey can evoke so much emotion and he was nothing but the nicest person ever

[@minimalbstolerance8113]

A lot of actors who are best known for playing villains are really nice guys in real life.

[@zman1982]

Vile Eye, One of the most cruel, sadistic characters in TV history. A co-worker I believe either threw an object or wanted to throw an object onto the TV for how Joffrey treated many characters during his wedding ceremony. That’s how great a villain he his. It would be great to analyze these characters: Ramsey Bolton - Game of Thrones Castor Troy - Face/Off Franklin Saint - Snowfall The characters and theme from Reservoir Dogs The Governor from The Walking Dead comic

[@pysky4u]

Add little finger (he’s the most interesting)

[@MrfrogAXN]

Jack Gleeson was amazing as Joffrey, truly a character I love to hate. Thank you so much for making a video on him.

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

He was so perfectly casted imo

[@frederickshaibani5655]

An astonishingly good performance. Gleeson retired from acting and later went to grad school back in Ireland if I'm not mistaken. He once replied to my tweet when I said I loved his performance and he couldn't have been more grateful. Truly the polar opposite of him as Joffrey haha. I heard a rumor that one of the reasons he gave up acting was because being publicly identified with being such a monstrous character really took a toll on his mental health. Seems like a quality bloke, so I hope he's happy with whatever he's doing!

[@FarmerSlayerFromTheEdoPeriod]

He might be evil, but you cant deny the Joffmeister was an entertaining villain.

[@ashlielove6513]

I feel so bad for that kid, he did such an excellent job 😂😂😂😂

[@silveratlas2706]

Jack Gleeson was just outstanding! He had the potential to become one of the best actors. Even tho his carrier ended too soon, his performance as Joffrey will be remembered for years to come.

[@fahimalvi9521]

A product of incest, disliked by his “Father” Robert who he always wanted validation from, pampered by his mother since day 1, never facing any consequences and growing up in the most powerful family in Westeros. He was a recipe for disaster. In a way his attitude reminds me of Nero. Btw can you do an analyzing evil episode on The Human Condition trilogy? Both the movies and the books are masterpieces.

[@arvintyree1109]

Joffery reminds me of the eldest son of saddam hussein, Uday. He was a nasty piece of work he only got away with so many evil acts because of his father and too was born from incest cause his father and mother were cousins. Joffery only got away with his crimes because of his powerful family

[@ledam2654]

@@arvintyree1109 Child of twins is very different from child of cousins

[@makutas-v261]

Exactly, he is way more fitting for Nero rather than Caligula as all these comments are saying.

[@anaihilator]

It's said extreme coddling and lack of consequences breeds narcissists

[@jorgebersabe293]

Joffrey also resembles Carlos de Austria (1545-1568), eldest son of Felipe II and his first wife, María Manuela of Portugal. His mother died giving birth to him and his father was too busy running Spain to even spare some time with him. Carlos loathed his father, yet craved his admiration and approval.

[@Visitormassacre]

I might be one of the few people who feel pity for Joffrey. When you learn more about the people around him, you know he never had a chance. Cersei was cruel and indulged him at every point, Tywin saw him as a tool for his "legacy", Robert didn't care for him at all, etc. He was the product of all t the people in his life and was all their negative aspects turned up to eleven. Children often try to act like those closets to them and emulate those directly around them the most. What was Joffrey if not the apathy of Robert, cruelty of the Lannister House, and the twisting evil that infected the Iron Throne?

[@samserrecchia9236]

that’s why George is such a terrific author. practically all of the characters he writes can be sympathized with. his strongest writing skill imo is his characterization

[@Moldylocks]

@@samserrecchia9236 Totally agree. Especially when you compare it to the shitty one-dimensional heroes and villains Hollywood gives us on a regular basis over the last decade, it really is a massive difference having characters that are complex, with both good and bad qualities. Even some one-dimensional revenge-action flicks have heroes and villains with more depth than most (modern) Disney heroes for example. I miss good writing, and good movies.

[@KrivitskyM]

You can feel pity for him, but unfortunately I believe he was gone past the point of changing and the only improvement for his life would've been removing him from the position of power. An evil farmer or a ship worker Joffrey would've been annoying, but nowhere near destructive as King Joffrey.

[@Killgore-ip2yq]

​@@samserrecchia9236 Even Ramsey Bolton?

[@cashthecurator666]

Honestly, I can’t help but pity Joffrey. He was coddled and indulged by Cersei, abused by Robert, and neglected by Jaime. Maybe if Joffrey spent more time with Tyrion, despite his mom likely feeding him lies about Tyrion, he could have ended up better. Tyrion could have been Joffrey’s light at the end of the tunnel, kind of like how Iroh was for Zuko. Or heck, how Jaime was for Tyrion. In the end, Joffrey was a horrible, pathetic little shit, but he’s also kind of a villain of his circumstances. Not to mention, he’s completely insane, and the fact he’s so young and so out of his mind is even more tragic. Compare that to Ramsay, who not only knows and admits that he’s evil, but he’s proud of it.

[@jeanrose1627]

Tyrion isn't a saint in the books and it's clear than he doesn't like his nephew at all

[@Moldylocks]

Having a bad upbringing doesn't excuse the choices you make when you are growing up, surely there must be some personal accountability when he tortures prostitutes? I don't think you should spend energy feeling pity for people like that, especially fictional ones. I'd save my pity for the actor himself because of the idiots who made him quit acting because they are so dumb they can not tell the difference between a show and reality.

[@IsaixLD7]

One thing I think you forgot to mention is the fact that Tommen and Myrcella were probably neglected by Robert too, so clearly something was wrong with Joffrey himself (The fact that he was meant to be king and Cersei's favorite didn't help too of course)

[@LBF522]

Good points.

[@louwinters508]

They were spared the spoiling and moddycoddling that Cersie inflicted on Joffrey. She treated him like her golden boy. Although she loved the other two I don't think she really doted on them as much. I think she was obsessed with Joffrey and treated him like an equal at a very young age. I do agree a lot is inate personality traits. Tywin and Cersie both show psychopathic traits. And Cersie is extremely narcissistic aswell and somewhat sadistic. Tommen seems more like Tywins father. All these people are so closely related compared with normal families because they are born of incest. Tywins father is as closely related as a grandfather to Joffrey, Tommin and Marcella. And Tywin almost as much as a father. Plus although absent to the other two kids I don't think Robert despised them. And with his bastards he indulged some if them when he felt like it but never was a father to them.

[@anjafrohlich1170]

They probably got more love from Robert. Mircella would've been his 'little girl' and Tommen might've been weak in his eyes but he was the youngest and had two siblings in between him and his mothers influence. They both also had their older brother as very dislikeable prime example of what not to be.

[@rodneymckay8860]

Joffrey was one of the best villains ever. This kid was unapologetically pure evil who seemed to only fear karma, combat, loosing and Tywin. Recommendation: STEM from the film Upgrade.

[@beloved-child]

Jeffrey feared anything real or tangible outside his king shell. He's a coward, and always was a soft lil bitch.

[@beastieking1]

Seconded on STEM

[@user-wq8sd2qc4u]

In the books, GRRM draws a direct line from Tywin to Cersei to Joffrey: -in ACOK, both Cersei and Joffrey greet Tyrion with "You." To which Tyrion comments on where Joffrey learnt his courtesies -in ASOS, both Tywin and Cersei greet Jaime by immediately blaming his hand on Catelyn Tully and swearing vengeance... to which Jaime corrects them by saying it was Tywin's own mercenary who did it Tywin's life philosophy of Lannister superiority + his total sexism means Tywin's legacy always had a huge hole in it - even if Tywin were to perfectly recreate himself in a male heir, disregarding the female sex means maleducation will guarantee a Cersei situation, where the next generation progressively degenerates as a malprepared daughter cannot properly prepare the next line That is, Tywin ignored his daughter, the very person who is supposed to train the Lannister king... so Cersei couldnt make anything but a Joffrey given Tywin's lack of education. Thus, GRRM is stating that Joffrey is a logical end to Tywin's ideology........ In the words of Sansa: "Bright, shining, empty".

[@evilmerv4645]

Wow, I never thought of it that way

[@olofacosta3192]

Yup. After reading AFFC Joffrey almost comes across as what Cersei would be if she could transform herself to the male she always wanted to be. Total power that allows her/him to torment everyone around them,but still far too stupid and cowardly to be a decent ruler. What's funny is that Tywin dislikes both his daughter and his grandson and realises how dumb they are,but can't see that they're basically like that because of him

[@Ashbrash1998]

I also want to add that in the books Robert has a hand in making Joffrey as well, he was a abusive, raping drunk, he almost killed Joffrey once, verbally abusive and showed Joffrey how a king can do as he will (and also making Cersei more evil). Cersei had a hand in it too, but it said several times that Joffrey is trying to emulate Robert. With parents like them, he never had a chance.

[@Mailed-Knight]

@@olofacosta3192 Cersei is old enough to be responsible for own shortcomings.

[@olofacosta3192]

@@Mailed-Knight well Cersei IS worse than Tywin. Much worse really. But he had a massive part in making her so vile

[@victoriawillingham5791]

Jack Gleeson deserves so much more credit, he played this villain SO well.

[@Jgm-gm9wi]

My only problem with Analyzing Evil is that I’m going through these videos faster than new ones are posted. A very enjoyable series.

[@Venedict77]

He was my favourite villain from Game of Thrones. Phenomenal performance!!

[@rodneymckay8860]

GoT may have produced more of the best villains than most novels.

[@judsondriscoll3308]

Let’s go! Glad you’re finally covering some GoT characters. Can’t wait to see your video on Ramsay Bolton.

[@raymondsims7042]

He should do littlefinger and Cersei as well. He should make a video on Jamie Lannister as well

[@jeffersonadams8711]

One thing that I found interesting was how GRRM was quick to point out in one of his interviews (I can't remember which one, as he's done like 1,000 of them--since he has nothing else he needs to focus on, apparently) that Joffrey and Tywinn seem so irredeemable because they were the only two main characters who never had POV chapters. Related to this is the character of Tyrion. As I read online: "We see Tyrion as the hero because we, the readers and viewers, often see things from his point of view. But the people living in King's Landing _DON'T_ see him as we do, and they've clearly got a different picture of the type of man he is." I'm not trying to imply Joffrey or Twinn would be sympathetic if we saw things from their vantage points (we might even be _more_ disgusted by them), but I've just always found that interesting.

[@nunyabiznes33]

Not only was he a hated character, Jack Gleeson played him spectacularly that it's never boring when Joff is the scene. It's a pretty good combo methinks. A villain that's just vicious woulf have been less entertaining to watch.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Yessir! Joffrey was one of the most despicable villains on the series and the books. Everyone is mine to torment!

[@studdedleatherlace]

Joffrey Baratheon. The boy we loved to hate. The actor is out of this world considering he's a really sweet kid irl and was THAT hateable on the show. And I could watch that death scene on an endless loop forever, unbelievably satisfying to watch and absolutely hilarious 😅

[@marcellinodadon1103]

_...i'm going to watch it again right now..._ 😆...

[@studdedleatherlace]

@@marcellinodadon1103 I miss GOT so much. And I cannot hide my disappointment that George R.R. Martin took so long to write the books that they had to take it upon themselves to end the show. I don't even mind an ending that isn't happy. I actually tend to like more messed up/sad endings but the direction they went with that ending and some of those characters was just rough. So unsatisfied with the final two seasons especially.

[@zapallo566]

@@studdedleatherlace not martin's fault, d & d just suck

[@studdedleatherlace]

@@zapallo566 I mean, he's partially to blame but at the same time, you can't push the creative process I guess 🤷🏼‍♀️ But yeah those dudes basically ruined it, it just felt really rushed like they were just trying to hurry and finish before the actors got too old. Which was exactly the case imo

[@quitcallinmebill1699]

He's a terrible actor. One of the most untalented in hollywood

[@user-ob4sq6fi3s]

The way you presented Joffrey accomplished something I thought that I'd never be able to... I felt something resembling sympathy for the way Joffrey was raised. Everyone deserves far better parents than Cersei and Robert

[@myujmes]

I can hear a softness in your voice, gentle like you're speaking to a lover at over the phone on the back porch of your childhood home, trying not to wake your parents, speaking into the warm dark wind of the night. absolutely beautiful, thank you Vile Eye.

[@jpraise6771]

I'm sorry but what are you on about😂 Just ask this guy out or something lol

[@landismithCOJ]

A real villain. No face turn, no mercy. Excellent work by Jack Gleeson. Side Note: is Sephiroth doing the narration now???🔥

[@HumungusO_o]

Thought the same damn thing hahaha

[@tamiwatchesstuff]

Absolutely agree. Every great performance of a villain character requires said actor/actress playing that character to not do a face turn. The audience knows it immediately and can’t suspend their disbelief in the fictional story presented to them on their theater/television/digital device.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Absolutely love your channel man! Do Ramsay Bolton ne Snow next! Hes a whole other level of evil even compared to this little shit.

[@aegonthedragon7303]

I think the best way to describe him is depraved. Just a black hole of irredeemable filth.

[@Alduin_el_Compadre]

One of My favorite details about how he was raised comes with the Cat and her litter story. Cersei tells the story as simply a child making a mistake, an accident born out of curiosity that should not be looked too much into, and Even shows hatred towards Robert for his understandable disgust at the scene Meanwhile, Stannis side of the story paints it in it's true form, a child comiting a wicked act and not being properly corrected. As a bonus. In some of the Audiobook formats, the narrator gives Cersei a dismisive tone during her recounting, while giving Stannis (a man that has seen and suffered from The horrors of War) a diagusted tone of voice in his recounting.

[@cynfaelalek-walker7003]

Joffery might've died by poison, but it was his parents who killed him.

[@filipvadas7602]

What makes Joffrey fascinating is that its really tough to separate how much of Joffrey is his *nature* and how much is the result of the way he was raised. You could make the argument that he was always going to come out spoiled rotten ,but at the same time: 1. Cersei imprinted her own frustration and spite into him, alongside her father's brutal philosophy, hoping to effectively sit on the Iron Throne through Joffrey since she couldn't do so on her own ,due to the heavy patriarchal society of Westeros. Only for her to unintentionally twist him into a vicious, powerhungry little shit like herself. And one she ended up not even being able to control by the end. 2. His real father was absent from his life as revealing that he was the product of incest would *destroy* house Lannister and reveal that Robert's brothers had a legitimate claim to the Throne. And speaking of... 3. Robert himself was as absentminded from raising his "children" as he was in actually ruling. Literally the only time he paid any attention to Joffrey is when he'd do something stupid and would have to discipline him. And instead of sitting down and teaching Joffrey *anything* about the real world , he would just run off to a brothel or to go drink himself into a coma or go hunting. Meanwhile , Cersei was free to undercut any lesson Joffrey could have learned. Humility being one of them. 4. Tywin was hardly even a factor in his life until he basically had no other choice then to get involved to fix his messes for him. At which point he all but ruled instead of him. 5. Tyrion was quite literally the only impactfull *positive* influence on Joffrey. Every time he literally slapped him and laid into him for being a sadistic idiot was akin to an orgasmic experience. If Tyrion had been a bigger part of his life maybe he would have turned out better ,as he would have actually taught him something on top of reprimanding him, unlike Robert. Overall, Joffrey was a *fantastic* villain. Hateable, fully entertaining and effectively the catalyst for the entire story. The actor also did a *phenomenal* job of bringing him to life. Its almost too fitting that the show , basically, died with him.

[@andu1854]

Also the track record for inbred children is not good in the Game of Thrones universe,

[@jakealter5504]

@@andu1854 it was good for some of the early Targaryens

[@Moldylocks]

@@andu1854 It's not really great in our reality either...

[@castironspine]

Now that the show has wrapped up, I think Barry would be a really interesting show to make videos about! Lots of complex characters and moral dilemmas. Great job as always Vile.

[@TenebraeXVII]

It's notable that in the books, Cersei actively cultivated Joffrey's personality and when Robert disciplined Joffrey over killing the cat, Cersei promised to kill Robert in his sleep if he ever struck him again.

[@jorgebersabe293]

Robert didn't discipline Joffrey. Hitting your child so hard you almost killed him is lashing out in reckless fury, not discipline.

[@ok.4720]

I know you guys like to hold Robert's hand for everything. But that wasn't disciplining him. Robert hit him so hard that he knocked out two of his baby teeth.

[@DogginsFroggins]

Actors and writers did an amazing job with this character, so much so that the actual actor got hate offscreen.

[@Nachobusiness328]

Yes! Now we need a video on Ramsey and Roose Bolton!!

[@andrewsalings7362]

This actor really played the character so well. It’s so sad he faced real life fallout for how evil he was able to make the character in his portrayal.

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

Just goes to show how dumb humanity actually is.

[@Firguy]

It's always the actors who play the best villains who get harassed, like Paul Reiser and Andy Robinson.

[@IloveOtherPplsMsry]

Joffrey's death was nothing short of cathartic

[@oscargoldman9854]

Between your voice,the subtle background music, and the way you analyze people, every video is perfect

[@xavenstelmack1411]

Hey Vile I would love to see a video on the villains from Puss In Boots The Last Wish. I suggest covering them in one video due to the amount of screen time they get and they all correspond with the movie's messages and themes.

[@marcusholder6508]

When putting them on the ranking, Horner would easily be S tier, while Goldi would be an easy D tier, but I honestly have no idea where to put Death.

[@blending_in]

​@@marcusholder6508 death is god tier lol

[@marcusholder6508]

@@blending_in I mean on the ranking of evilness, the one from this channel. Jack is clearly the most evil which is why he's S tier, while Goldi isn't evil at all which is why she's D tier, but Death is more complicated. He's doing his job, but also takes things personal. We don't really know a lot about him, which probably makes him harder to anylyze.

[@AdaptiveApeHybrid]

Excellent timing imo. I'm on my 29385736th reread of the entire series and I actually just read the Purple Wedding last night lol. I love that chapter so much.

[@The482075]

I noticed that he is being compared to Roman Leaders. Augustus, Caligula, and Tiberius have done some messed up stuff. However it is Cafe Nero that keeps me awake at night.

[@nathantheghost7768]

Another excellent video Vile Eye! I hope the Lich from Adventure Time gets a glimpse of your vision.

[@Braylinmora]

YES THAT WOULD BE GREAT HOPE YOUR COMMENT GETS RECOGNITION

[@slimeruthlessroyals1026]

The cast claim his character was essentially the exact opposite of the actors personality. That’s how you know talent. Similar to Joaquin Phoenix in gladiator

[@jorgebersabe293]

Jack Gleeson even cited Joaquin Phoenix's Commodus as one of his inspirations.

[@deathnote-dd2wu]

best channel on youtube! and joeffery was a s.o.b btw i have more suggetions t bag - prison break jax teller - sons of anarchy vic mackey- the shield hitman agent 47- hitman video game franchise

[@jacobmaher1149]

He played his role so well he had to retire from acting since people just hated him

[@RuSosan]

It's a damn shame really.

[@ok.4720]

That is a lie. Jack retired because he wanted to.

[@multimediafan6777]

I really love the interviews Jack Gleeson did with Oxford Union! The difference between an actor and his character could not have been greater...

[@nathangorman9216]

keep up the great content suggestions for next videos t bag - prison break jax teller - sons of anarchy vic mackey- the shield hitman agent 47- hitman video game franchise

[@freddogrosso9835]

T Bag was cancer made person. Perfect performance.

[@jonwaune9224]

nice video suggestions for next videos t bag - prison break jax teller - sons of anarchy vic mackey- the shield hitman agent 47- hitman video game franchise

[@OmnipotentSpud]

When he died on the show, as it was airing, a friend of mine posted, "Choke you little shit. CHOKE" and not a single person who commented was confused. Even his grandma was like yassss. Honestly, one of my favorite early adulthood tv memories. Jeoffrey sucked so bad he united generations.

[@patflann29]

Now I’m not necessarily equipped to say this, but. I always felt that of the main human villains in GoT, Joffrey appeared more as a psychopath as he was cowardly and coddled and only wanted to do things he wanted. Ramsey on the other hand, I always felt was a sociopath as he had genuinely no emotions and most notably compared to Joffrey: No fear. Joffrey is constantly sniffling and crying, Ramsay gets eaten alive by dogs and until they bite his face off is convinced they won’t touch him

[@KR4FTW3RK]

Joffrey is a petulant child. Ramsay is like a force of nature.

[@patflann29]

@@KR4FTW3RK also a very good way to view it lol

[@kookiemonstergirl532]

This was such a great analysis to this character, so vile and yet such an interesting addition to a great series

[@NG-ue4th]

Watching Tyrion strike Joffrey was just so satisfying "And now I have struck a king, did my hand fall off?" 🤣 🤣 🤣

[@blujungi]

I love the timing of me finding this channel + a friend of mine starting to read GoT without knowing ANYTHING of the franchise!!!! This feeds my need as an old GoT fan + i hold back spoiling him :")

[@Sabermoose]

Anyone who says I am the king is no true king

[@greenkoopa]

King Koopa disagrees, but his first name is King so I'm not sure how this fits.

[@spadinnerxylaphone2622]

It's interesting how Robert and to an extent Cersei seem to be the only people Joffrey has anything resembling love for. Robert seems to be his role-model and he even cries at his death.

[@scottbarnard6259]

As the final season of “Top Boy” has aired on Netflix and all episodes have been released, It would be great to see an “Analyse Evil of Sully” one of the main characters in the whole series.

[@susanmartin3762]

With absolutely NO WARNING or slipped secret from the cast or crew, Joffrey's death was a complete and totally AWESOME EVENT!! It remained in my "Top 5 Unexpected Moments for the 8 seasons of that show! Ned losing his head was another one of the "worst unexpected moment". I have 3 more but I'd have to look them up😅

[@Dreadfort-ho8lg]

Fantastic. Finaly a character of GoT again. Ramsay, Roose and Petyr are also worthy of a take.

[@patrickbarnes9462]

Thank you for these deep dives into truly vile characters. Your voice reminds me of Douglas Rain, known for the voice of HAL 9000. I could so see a malevolent AI being masterfully played by you. Cheers.

[@therandom.cowboy5526]

Would love to see stannis Baratheon, he’s an extremely gray character and it would be fun to see your analysis on him.

[@Knight860]

I know some historians see Edward of Westminster as the basis for the inspiration behind Joffrey, which is true to an extent since Game of Thrones/A Song if Ice and Fire is inspired by the Wars of the Roses and both Joffrey and Edward were the subject of accusations of being illegitimate (those being true in Joffrey's case), but that's pretty much where the similarities end. I see more of Richard II in Joffrey in his vindictiveness, narcissism and someone who likes to sound more intimidating than they actually are. When it came to an actual fight, both Richard and Joffrey were pushovers.

[@Narukami_GJD]

Thanks for another great episode, Vile Eye! For a future video, I would highly recommend Silco from the Arcane series. He’s an incredibly interesting character with several fascinating layers, so I think you’d enjoy analyzing him.

[@proffnanners]

Such a great character. Dude absolutely nailed the role.

[@szofi_h6rle]

I LOVE these videos! So well reserched and structured. I would love to see one with Stanis

[@Wells13555]

I love the narration on this one. The delivery is so soft and dark at the same time.

[@SoulSearcherr]

No joke I was literally scream "DIE DIE DIE" when he was choking in his final scene 😂😂

[@toneriggz]

As hated as he is as a character, I thought he was great for the series. He’s a character who isn’t physically powerful, isn’t particularly intelligent, very emotional and worst of all, he wields so much power that he shouldn’t have because he’s a bastard. But that shows how unfair this world is (and the real world is). There’s some sense of justice when he dies during the Purple Wedding, especially in such horrific fashion but the damage he caused was irreversible. He was the perfect villain for this world.

[@shamalidisanayaka5093]

totally agree

[@donshipman8441]

He played this part so well that Im almost positive in real life he gets cold shoulders in public. I’ve never hated a character so much in any media. Brilliant acting!!!!

[@matthewjaco847]

Awesome video as always. I admire the amount of care and detail that goes into each of your essays. If you find the opportunity, I would love to see you do a video on Lord Matsudaira Naritsugu from Takashi Miike’s “13 Assassins”. In a lot of ways, that villain reminds me of Joffrey with his spoiled sadism and stupidity.

[@maxmetropolis8518]

Guy who played him did a damn good job.

[@tucobenedicto1780]

One of the best actors ever. Had a huge effect on the audience. Job well done!

[@biggyls4297]

Great work! But we need one for Logan Roy. Pleaseeeee

[@user-ur5ug1xn3y]

hands down best breakdowwns on youtube, heres more suggestion t bag - prison break jax teller - sons of anarchy vic mackey- the shield hitman agent 47- hitman video game franchise

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

We need a video about the Northron boy who backstabbed Jon Snow. Banal backstabbing evil, even when made a first time by an individual in the midst of their loss of innocence... is a special kind of evil.

[@pretzelman945]

Lmfao

[@poorwhitepeoplearefailures2396]

Lmfao shut up. Ollie’s motives are understandable

[@7870JAKE]

Man I was so happy to see this on my feed. The Tywin video was one of my favorites.

[@jrgenvellesen7800]

Hope you do a video on Ramsay Bolton. Quite possibly the most sadistic villain in GOT. And a very memorable performance by Iwan Rheon.

[@82dorrin]

His death scene was one of the most satisfying moments in the show.