The Push Matters More Than The Release To Me

The Push Matters More Than The Release To Me
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[@DamonHowattHunter]

100% facts. Push push and push again. You can get away with a lot pushing the bow arm through the shot, 10x more than just a clean release on it's own.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Agree. Never had a good release in my life. The bow arm saves me

[@SchaferMagnant]

100% agree. My release is definitely not pretty and abnormal, but I’m plenty pleased with how I shoot. A strong bow arm covers a lot of flaws. Secondly, at the end of the day doing it the same way twice is key. Good stuff Jason.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Very solid points. Consistency is everything

[@edmondwright5589]

100% right sir. Fred Asbell said if you're having trouble with accuracy, look to your bow arm. Push that arrow into that target!

[@caseysmith544]

Same thing Howard Hills Nephew said, if you are having trouble keeping bow arm from jerking or moving use a push pull, most longbows work best on a push pull.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Fred was such an amazing man!

[@SamkoTradBow]

@@caseysmith544 yep and Fred bear shot with a push pull method too I believe

[@edmondwright5589]

@@SamkoTradBow Yeah, I never met Fred but my first custom bow was a Bighorn recurve. Beautiful bow!!

[@Todd1arrow]

Great advice, hope people don’t dismiss how important that is. Learned that myself through trial and error. I think of it as the bow hand is the king and controls the shot, and the release hand is the servant and be still and not be an over eager helper.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Great way to think about it! It makes such a huge difference

[@stephenballard3759]

It took me 16 years of serious shooting to discover this principle. After reading Fred Asbell's 2nd book. A certain feeling of being locked, not into a position, but into a directional push, locked into a dynamic alignment, and suddenly my release and follow-through are SPOT ON! It was a real revelation. The front arm dominates the release. Stopped all the problems with punching arrows to the left or yanking them off to the right, stopped my release hand from flying away from my face or up past my eye. You mentioned that 20 yards zone, but this practice of pushing has allowed me longer holds and MUCH better consistency at 35-60 yards (not that I shoot at game that far.) Good shooting, brother, and let me know if you need any help with those hogs.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Very nice! Glad its working great for you too!

[@caseymclamb5890]

Definitely noticeable when you’re actually focusing on your follow through. Your videos has helped me tremendously on these topics!.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you are enjoying them!

[@kevinle9249]

Interesting. The Comanches also pushed the bow towards the target upon release.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Did not know that. Now I do. Thank you.

[@TightwadTodd]

Most Plains Nations who used the short bow did. I think thats why the short bows developed a bad reputation with many. They tried to draw the string more than push the bow. I realized this years ago watching the few old videos and studying pics of Native people shooting and why the Augmented pinch grip was successful for them. They essentially pushed the nock, from the grip .

[@SamkoTradBow]

@TightwadTodd very interesting. Thank you for this info.

[@nevadafitch5647]

You hit the nail on the head, here. I have the same problem with my bow arm and if my shooting goes to heck, it's almost always my bow arm. I know my release is not the greatest and I still use a Hill style heavy glove, pretty much always have. But it's my bow arm anyway, that decides if I make a decent shot or not. I believe I pretty much use the swing draw, but sometimes drift to a more static hold, when shooting a light poundage recurve. But my heavy hunting bows are always shot the way you do, I believe.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep the bow arm does the driving. And the swing draw feels natural to me as well.

[@bowman321123]

Great tutorial, I've seen this same thing on the Push Archery channel discussing bow arm control. Thanks!

[@SamkoTradBow]

The push crew has excellent content and course there! Great guys and great info

[@journeyman7189]

Good tips Jason. I will try this out the next time I'm shooting. Thanks Nate

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@caseyhansen4567]

New to archery here.good to see a south paw.good advice Jason. Thanks for your videos

[@SamkoTradBow]

Welcome to archery! And glad you are enjoying the vids.

[@theamputeehunter2074]

Awesome and informative video and yes I see the difference

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@jetpilot555]

Questions: 1) how many inches are you literally pushing forward? 0.5"? 0.75"? 1.0"? 2) Are you strictly straightening your elbow, or are you using other body part? Or are you launching your whole body forward from the waist up? The reason I ask is I'm trying to use Clay Hayes's full body alignment concept where he explains it with popsicle sticks where the bow wrist, elbow, left shoulder and right shoulder form a straight line. When you do that, there isn't anymore body part that can buy you another inch to push forward. That leaves pushing from the waist. Further explanation would be very helpful. Thx

[@SamkoTradBow]

I'm pushing that last 1/8th to quarter inch of slack I have in my elbow

[@douglaswm]

Both the string arm and the bow arm are important to me.

[@danielwendling7240]

Tough subject, lots of different opinions in the best way to shoot traditional. I try to focus on a smooth release and not over think things too much. Know the correct form but have a smooth release. Thanks for the video, glad I’m not the only one struggling.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@joedaniels4646]

I really do try to do that, but it's extremely difficult because I can't completely lockout either arm from injuries ... had them snapped back hyperextended and now only about 85% of full extension ... I'm 6'5" and only have a 26.5" draw length when it should be about 31" so I really can't afford to bend my bow arm at all. But your tips and video's are always good brother ... thanks for sharing and God bless you!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you are still able to shoot. And just think the shorter draw means shorter arrows and shorter arrows pass through quicker!

[@joedaniels4646]

@@SamkoTradBow You always think positive ... I like that! I love your trad bow shooting tips!

[@walkingwolf8072]

You can pick up an inch and a half draw increase by using a thumb release. I found every release is clean using the thumb, and I use a Cherokee bend in my bow arm which is an automatic push on release, as well as never having string burn.

[@matthewy8923]

You did great Jason. It's right to push forward. For Asian traditional bows, pushing forward is the standard shooting method.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it

[@kevinmaughan4290]

i agree, thumb draw, kathra technique. Comes so naturally with practice, arrow on the right side

[@george2099]

Great tip! I need all the help I can get! Thanks

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@landonstokes4731]

I needed to hear this. Great advice.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@allendunfee5725]

Great advice. I'm definitely gonna pay more attention to that. I agree about 20 and within also.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep the closer the better

[@michaelearl2477]

Clay Hayes says a similar thing, might not even be a noticeable push but the intention

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thats a great way to say it

[@patgarrett3746]

I've been shooting high and left lately and was wondering what I'm doing wrong. I think you just gave me the answer I'm looking for. I'll definitely try this tomorrow evening after work.Thanks!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Hope it helps!

[@MrTemplerage]

I learned to shoot at Y camp from a Cherokee followed by the Archer's Bible, 1968. So yeah, I'm self taught...a lot of mistakes and bad habits but I learned to point with my bow hand and push the release. Personally I ended up sighting with my dominant eye, both eyes open-string and arrow tip as sights but only as an aide to the instinctive shot. So that's how I take this advice, and thanks.

[@MrTemplerage]

BTW-gorgeous bow.

[@DK_1983]

Thats part of the kathra technique. You dont pull/release teh string, you push the bow out of your fingers.

[@SamkoTradBow]

It works great and really helps keep everything in line

[@DK_1983]

@@SamkoTradBow oh yea i agree. I shoot horsebows and you can literally shoot any spine arrows with the full technique bc they dont have to travel around the bow so there is no paradox. I even lile to do this also with modern recurves just to aæiminate any potentiel mistakes and then hitting riser.

[@MrRourk]

Gary Chyne used to call it Western Khatra

[@charleyhendersonj.r.6297]

Thank you very much for this video this was exactly what I needed I've been trying to switch from compound to recurve and couldn't get my grouping to do anything but go left let you know what's going on later I'm trying your push

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@pathfinder5804]

New to the trad bow thing and having a ton of fun!!! Never been more frustrated ever!!! I bought a cheaper recurve off Amazon to start shooting. I’ve got it tuned good so on good shots it shoots darts. However I’m fighting being consistent a bunch. I’ve got it down after two months shooting to being able to hit a 24x24in target every time at 20yds. During my hr long sessions though I will shoot a dozen groups that are inside 6in pie plates but seem to get more groups that are all over the place left right and up down. Having a hard time settling on a solid anchor for some reason!!! Think I’m there most times but arrows flying all over would tell different story. Coming from compound where I could shoot 3in groups out to 50yds this is killin me. I know this is a different ball game and can’t expect miracles but I’d take consistent groups no matter where they hit. I could work with that. One arrow low right next high left next bullseye doesn’t work. Having fun getting frustrated though!!! I have noticed what your talking about in this video though and when I do the push it’s noticeably a better shot!!! Luv your videos they help a bunch.

[@SamkoTradBow]

Won't be long and you will be shooting 3 or 4 inch groups at 15 yards and 5 or6 at 20. Has to be a consistent anchor, have to push either the bow arm, and have to have good follow through. But most of all remeber that 20 yards should be an absolute max hunting distance. Real world hunting should be 15 and in. So being a good shot at say 25 yards is irrelevant in the hunting world. But being nice and tight at 15 is what your looking for in my opinion.

[@pathfinder5804]

It’s funny to me cuz my anchor while shooting my compound is so rock solid but this trad shooting im having tons of trouble being totally consistent with it. I’ve tried gloves and a couple different tabs. I’ve settled on a Yost predator tab as I like the feel of the solid piece in my palm. I’ve watched all of your videos, Jeff Phillips and some of Tarls from Gunshy and you guys have given me a great base to start from. I’m not instinctive at all so I’m using the arrow as an aim point currently. The big jump shooting for me right now was watching one of “The Push” videos where he explained using a combo of string walking and gap. So I’ve learned that a small crawl down the string has made my point on at 20yds and my 15yds hold about 4in low. Don’t know if that’s how I’m gonna stay but my groups went from actually missing a 24x24 target every few shots to being able to keep it on target 100% of the time. Trying to decide what kinda bow to order as a step up from a beginner Elcheapo since I see it’s clearly something I’m loving!!!! Problem is like my rifles my eye likes short compact stuff and not sure that’s the best thing!!!! I’m looking at Centaur, BigStick and Big Jim Thunderchild. Figure they are all out around a yr wait so order now and by the time it gets to me I should have some stuff figured out shot wise.

[@MONKLJ]

Exactlly

[@chuckbert3117]

I’m not sure about the bow pulling to the side on the release, I think that would make shooting consistently a real challenge. I try to keep my bow steady for proper follow through.

[@SamkoTradBow]

It should not be pulling either way. It should be going straight to the target

[@chuckbertison7277]

@@SamkoTradBow I must have misunderstood the video.

[@SamkoTradBow]

@@chuckbertison7277 I was basically saying to push the bow arm towards the target to make sure it doesnt go left or right. Pushing the bow forward into the target will keep the bow arm from moving off line.

[@chuckbertison7277]

@@SamkoTradBow 👍

[@bradlauber9097]

It's like blowing a balloon up with air the balloon expands slowly on both sides of the balloon. Try to recreate that push pull with your form

[@SamkoTradBow]

Fantastic analogy. I like it.

[@gunghobows]

Great video!

[@SamkoTradBow]

Thanks

[@jessecales7170]

Great video! Where do you get your Gold Tip shafts?

[@SamkoTradBow]

Glad you enjoyed it. I sesrxh online for gold tip blems and buy em from who ever has them in stock

[@jessecales7170]

Thanks Jason!

[@user-wn1jf2ml8b]

Jason have you ever tried swing draw .just wondering

[@caseysmith544]

I kind of do a Pushing Swing draw where end is a bit of push for my draw as well for my needs to where on all including using no sights on a hunting lever bow should I ever use one or some rare finger draw compounds like some Bowfishing, SAS 1990's models, or Gen--X I have elbow a tad bent down the lane target, Leverbow and sight as I would go more target stance or Compound with a release and sights is different and arm holding bow is nearly 100% straight as weight of either bow like in Compound/lever or weights in target help keep bow steady from vibration. Anyhow, all of my styles micro bent elbow, Swing draw with push helps to draw a heavier bow in 50--55 pounds a several times or 45 pounds more then several times in more traditional hunting or English longbow style setup with no weights and/or vibration devices on bow for vibration dampening.

[@user-wn1jf2ml8b]

@@caseysmith544 ok what I’m talking about is Howard Hill swing draw or John Schulz swing draw from his video and stuff he and others have written about only person doing it currently is Nate Steen of sunset hill longbows that I know about .

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yes thst actually how I shoot is a swing draw. I start my draw as I'm raising my bow and come to anchor about rhe time I'm lined up

[@Greg-l8r]

If you want to see proper release, then watch Howard hill

[@SamkoTradBow]

I have. its a great release. He was a master on all things archery.

[@keithdraper7826]

Where do you get your arrow wraps from?

[@caseysmith544]

I think he cuts some longer ones down? I see a similar looking/color one can be found on 3-Rivers.

[@robbydallis760]

Don’t know about him, but if you’re looking for a lot of options with customization…look up White Water Archery, you won’t be disappointed.

[@SamkoTradBow]

I get mine from 3 rivers archery

[@earlfultz8603]

I also try to hold my bow on my target until the arrow hits it helps with my accuracy and I break a lot of arrows

[@SamkoTradBow]

Yep follow through is very important. And something I often over look or forget about