The Quest for Achilles: The Greatest Greek Warrior of His Time - The Trojan War Saga Ep.7

[@glowworm2]

I love how Odysseus was able to figure out that Achilles was hiding among the king's daughters by simply including a sword among the many presents for them. Then, if this was already obvious enough, throw out the ruse that pirates were attacking to see if one of them would leap into action to help.

[@alexandraguardian9840]

Unless there were Amazons, Artemis' maidens, or goddesses present. Luckily for Odysseus, they weren't there. Yet.

[@pseudomonas03]

Odysseus: "So Achilles... will you come to Troy, or you prefer that all Greece knows that you were hiding dressed like a girl, after your mom's will? ..."Achilles: "OK I' M COMING".

[@ronanchristiana.belleza9270]

Ah Question is it Bad to Follow his Mother's will? After all she's a Goddess and you would'n want to have a Goddess as your Enemy Right?

[@kiwisaraphim6622]

Odysseus "Dressing in women's clothing is gay" Achilles "well we are Greek"

[@efaristi9737]

@@kiwisaraphim6622 that's not exactly the problem, the greeks didn't have a problem with men loving men (as long as they make kids) but dressing as a girl, especially for a warrior, would be laughed at.

[@kiwisaraphim6622]

@@efaristi9737 no one cares

[@ericevin9892]

@@kiwisaraphim6622 well I do

[@babytara6860]

The story of Achilles cannot begin or end without Patroclus

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

“We have Hector!” *takes a drink* “We have Achilles.” *mass soiling of Trojan undergarments*

[@imdumb3031]

We have a giant horse made out of wood - Aristotle

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

@@imdumb3031 “We no longer have Hector.” “We no longer have Achilles…” *depressed shuffling of feet* “We have Odysseus! And he’s got an idea!” *yet more soiling of Trojan undergarments*

[@imdumb3031]

@@chiefjudgefish4193 *Wheeze*

[@imdumb3031]

@@SailaSobriquet i dont know how to read ur language

[@imdumb3031]

@@SailaSobriquet thank u 4 the translation; my radar on history is not that high

[@abbeyBominable123]

Telling the story of Achilles without Patroclus' importance just seems so sad 😭

[@imdumb3031]

Don't worry techno will tell us the full story

[@Victoria-_]

FR

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

But Patroclus wasn’t important in the story till he got mulched,

[@kharlopena7512]

This channel lowkey homophobic. They have a whole video on Zeus' lovers but only mention the women. Now this...

[@alexnull6700]

@@kharlopena7512 that doesn’t make it homophobic 💁🏾‍♂️

[@celesteclement2790]

The Song of Achilles by Madeline Miller recommend reading this book

[@angelgray8899]

✨ _"We were like Gods"_ ✨

[@sheep5875]

@Jacqueline Davis that’s the point she has said in many interviews that her books are not exactly to the story they are just based around the real story

[@arminzseashellx_7747]

@Jacqueline Davis no it is not....?

[@moondivine2288]

@@arminzseashellx_7747 In some parts I can see that Achilles and Patroclus were out of character. One example that I can think of is in the original source material Patroclus was a soldier in his own right. When he took Achilles place the person who loved him trusted that he could handle it. In the book Patroclus was just the typical love interest and with no fighting experience. Making the switch more reckless. I think in any book a person should be more than a love interest.

[@spartan-s013]

Such a shame this was so short and not detailed, there are so few detailed (if any) documentaries about Achilles

[@bradleygordon540]

That is to be expected considering the Iliad is all that we have of Achilles.

[@spartan-s013]

@@bradleygordon540 actually no, Achilles history is pretty detailled in Illiad but it's not the only story about him, Odyssey mentions him too as other versions of that mythe. Btw Achilles hasn't died in Illiad

[@lucycpe]

I totaly agree, I really love the story. If you;d want to read it, I'd recommend reading "The song of Achilles" its from Patroclus' POV and it goes until both are dead

[@spartan-s013]

@@lucycpe i have read it but i didn't like it, was too much focused on promoting homosexualism for my taste

[@lucycpe]

@@spartan-s013 yea i get that, but the fact that Hollywood made them cousins in a movie is kinda (how do you say it) obnoxious?

[@matthonrado9735]

In homers Iliad, Zeus had to intervene Achilles's rage because they feared, that that alone can elude fate, and Troy isnt meant to fall yet. He killed hector knowing he would die after that, all for Patroclus. And people think Patroclus' relevance is just when he died, if he wasnt relevant in the whole 18 years that they have been together, Achilles wont do such thing :)

[@thepoorsquire9294]

Overly enthusiastic Achilles stan here with a PSA that the story of Achilles on Skyros is a separate tale from the Iliad and directly conflicts with the timeline set forth by Homer. It comes from an unfinished poem by a Roman poet who attempted to write Achilles' origin story. While the story is fascinating, and might be rooted in truth (for example, Achilles did land on Skyros), but it is likely embellished greatly, building upon embellishments of poets that came before. My personal opinion is that Homer's account of Achilles might be the most realistic, since Skyros is on the way to Troy and it would make sense for Achilles to conquer the island as a side hustle, especially since he supposedly landed there after a storm blew his fleet off course from Phthia. It's not a big island to begin with. He does indeed have a son (Neoptolemus) with the princess, who goes onto play a major role in winning the war after Achilles dies.

[@nathanbuckley7151]

More Achilles please, one of the most under rated Greek heroes

[@asasipogi]

how is achilles the dude that has brad pitt acting as him in a highly grossing hollywood movie underrated?

[@kiwisaraphim6622]

Said nobody in history

[@omniavanitas7893]

Underrated?! Achilles?! Underrated?! From what parallel universe are you?

[@nathanbuckley7151]

@@asasipogi I love Troy as a film but that version of Achilles isn’t as good as the Achilles from myth and from the Iliad

[@kiwisaraphim6622]

The man killed a demi God that no weapon could harm him with his own helmet lol under rate

[@kannansatheesh3075]

Even though he was exposed by the clever Odysseus , the bgm made Achilles look awesome. Goosebumps 💥💥

[@denniscleary7580]

Achilles has been my favorite Greek Hero since childhood. I agree Brad Pitt as Achilles in Troy was the best thing in the entire movie

[@PapaLobo94]

Right? I’m surprised he got snub for an Oscar nomination for his performance. He did fantastic in that role

[@omegaking7864]

I like Achilles my favourite Greek hero

[@MrDontKnowWhatMyPasswordIs]

I only know Achilles from Beyblade

[@ericevin9892]

Mine is theseus

[@lani_plays]

❤️

[@ericevin9892]

Cool,mine is Theseus

[@olethros217]

Mine too

[@ancientsitesgirl]

I just discovered a great channel!!! ❤ I've been making videos about Greece lately, so I'll learn a bit. I'M WATCHING IT 😮

[@shantirelaxingmusic5285]

Hello! 🌹

[@rennor3498]

And when you think that Alexander the Great claimed descent from Pyrus through his mother's side.

[@reddhafallen7289]

Achilles: My apologies for hiding Odysseus, my mother ordered me to hide and I didn't want to leave my wife and son. Odysseus: I understand why you did it, you should see how I tried to get out of this.

[@Angelo-tj8ll]

👋🏻 I’m from HK. I love Greek story 💓 . Thanks a lot 🙏🏻

[@savagedarksider5934]

I love this so much. Awesome.

[@iamtamadtv6018]

I am excited for Episode 8

[@agniswar3]

They say that Patrocles was Achilles's lover. If this is true then he was bisexual. Other sources say that they were extremely close friends while mention them as cousins.

[@acientwomangreek1733]

Cousins in one movie man..

[@thepixelpony4640]

The cousins part is just from the movies. I believe Patroclus was his lover because it's quite funny to see them that close and only think of them being friends

[@agniswar3]

@@thepixelpony4640 yes but there is also a thing called bromance.

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

@ThePixelPony 46 find me a quote from the Iliad that backs this up.

[@Eleni1002]

@@thepixelpony4640 It's not actually. They were distant cousins in the Iliad too if I'm not mistaken. The movie just made them first cousins.

[@phantomeye5199]

👏 Wow that was great story about Achilles the greatest warrior of his time.

[@p.abenayake6006]

omg, you guys, I was thinking about Achilles ten minutes ago.😱💖💖👍👍👍👍

[@pradnyabhat3900]

Ikr sameeee.. just half an hour back they uploaded this 😅

[@p.abenayake6006]

@@pradnyabhat3900 *But I saw this video ten minutes ago.* lol

[@battlestar8879]

"No one is perfect eventhough Achilles was very strong"

[@containedhurricane]

Nobody makes colossal Greek war movies like Troy anymore

[@mop2254]

It's the time of the super hero movies and sci-fi teen movies.

[@YuuSHiiiN]

Wouldn't really work for the standards of today's movies. Shorter and more fast paced without really getting to know characters anymore or building up towards major events.

[@thegreekgeek9016]

Thank goodness they don't. The Trojan war was depicted as a thing that took place over a few days and not ten years. No chryseis. Paris and Astyanax live. No Hecuba, no Cassandra, no Hellenus, no Deiphobus, no Polyxena, no Troilus, no Aeneas and I could go on for days. Menelaus dies. Agamemnon dies. Achilles is alive during the sack of Troy. No Neoptolemus. It's a farce if there ever was one.

[@containedhurricane]

@@thegreekgeek9016 It's not accurate, but it's highly entertaining

[@thegreekgeek9016]

@@containedhurricane You talking 'bout Brad Pitt yelling Hector?

[@humanity600]

Diomedes: Hold my Spear.

[@brandeb29]

LOVE LOVE LOVE The video's but could you PLEASE make them a little longer😊

[@Tekmirion]

Very good!

[@ThegoldenFang20]

I love this so so so So awsome I love it

[@Tony52R]

It's a mythology. Nothing but a tale

[@ernameria]

And they're simply telling a tale

[@dragonking1097]

If only we could get this soundtrack. This song is incredible, I would listen to this when thinking of great ideas for art if possible. If only the channel could make a playlist of their music, or point us to whoever composed the music.

[@MusicLover-my6fo]

Achilles and his "friend" Patroclus 😏

[@lilywhited6902]

His “good friend”

[@peterroberts7684]

Wise and cunning Odysseus,the one Man Achilles considered an equal..

[@dymonddavis7847]

It easy to figure out that one of the daughters was Achilles because the daughters picked the gifts they loved the most while he pick up the sword

[@blackstripes0812]

Ah yes his "friend" patroclus, why does everyone downplay their relationship honestly

[@gypana]

So you think that every male to male friendship has to be homosexual?

[@blackstripes0812]

@@gypana no but I think when two people were literally lovers it should be stated as such

[@adrijaghosh5410]

@@blackstripes0812 exactly

[@adrijaghosh5410]

@@gypana you shouldn't just rely on this single video to pass judgments.

[@blackstripes0812]

@@adrijaghosh5410 a lot of Greeks had gay lovers, heracles actually has a temple dedicated to one of his

[@ghostlightdc]

The armor you've depicted him wearing would not exist for about 700 more years.

[@browhattheactualfu-2659]

What kind of armor would he be wearing then?

[@therion5458]

@@ghostlightdc Homer described Achilles as wearing a special suit of armor. Achilles' armor included "silver" reinforced ankle protection. So it seems appropriate to depict Achilles in some type of "advanced" armor for the time period. The classic Greek Corinthian helmet, traditionally made of bronze, isn't somehow terribly far displaced in time or complexity that it somehow couldn't have been fabricated by some metal worker in the late bronze age. Why should Achilles be stuck with wearing the generic Dendra armor of typical infantry?

[@ghostlightdc]

@@therion5458 because that armor was not generic. You would have been lucky to have it or any armor. Homer wrote centuries after the actual war. The archeological evidence tells us what people most likely wore during that time.

[@therion5458]

​@@ghostlightdc If it was not generic then how can we assume anyone was wearing Dendra armor in that time period outside of two or three individuals? If armor was that specialized and rare, then why should Achille's armor fit any specific mold? It seems appropriate to assume that a special warrior like Achilles would have some type of unique armor that didn't match the other armor of the time period.

[@ghostlightdc]

@@therion5458 There are 3-4 different armor types we see among Mycenaean warriors of that error. The Dendra style is one and was probably the one that offered the most protection and perhaps helped birth the myth of Achilles. I would recommend the Elite Series books for great depictions of the armor of the time period. There is one on Mycenean Greeks and also the Sea Peoples that give great examples of Bronze Age armor.

[@loveaviciigr9625]

Could you please make a video about the story of Achilles and Briseis? I really enjoy and adore your work, and I would love to watch a video of this couple...❤

[@Rachiuwu]

i would love to see that

[@kavyachauhan1063]

Can't wait for more episodes, please upload faster

[@jagirl966]

Sources are sketchy on how old Achilles was when all this was happening. He didn't need to go to war, as he wasn't one of the suitors for Helen's hand. Not to mention, of the Golden Apple fight happened at his PARENT'S wedding, how much time had passed since then? Couldn't have been more than a decade. Or did the goddesses fight for so long that he was a teenager, at least, when Paris made his choice? If so, how much time passed before Paris took Helen? And he had a son, who was a teenager, by the time Paris shot Achilles through the heel? Then, how old were the others? Okay, I'm stopping, I'm getting a headache and you guys are probably getting one, too.

[@Leon-mk1wn]

Im gonna watch *Troy* again i guess lol Such a great movie

[@petertodorov1792]

Patroclos was not only Achilles' friend but his cousin as well

[@big_cloud6199]

They werent related at all 💀Thats just something from the movie that they made up but they arent cousins

[@apeiwong07]

@@big_cloud6199 correction: they were gay lovers

[@Bluewaterdice]

'trained with his friend patroclus'...HIS LOVER MATE

[@Davis2005inactive]

Achilles was bisexual

[@humanity600]

Depends on the version though the lover is probably the original.

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

@True Psychic Emperor Iliad is the earliest source. Try and find a quote in there that says theyre lovers. I’ll save you some time it ain’t there and only starts in classical Athenian thinking. And even there it was a debate.

[@humanity600]

@@chiefjudgefish4193 no need to come at me, I literally said probably. Jesus.

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

@True Psychic Emperor sorry didn’t mean to come off that harsh.

[@julianmarsh8384]

National Geographic had an article on the Trojan War and said that a record had recently been found, telling of a great captain who led his men against a great city....he met and defeated the city's champion in battle but then himself was struck by an arrow in his heel and subsequently died...so there is the nucleus of Homer's story of Achilles...

[@acientwomangreek1733]

If it's not like song of achilles i don't want it memememeh

[@regina2023]

ugh samee!

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

Why? Song of Achilles is horribly interpreted fanfic that has more to do with yaoi manga tropes than Homer.

[@themanticoreart9170]

same! also- hey! i know you! xDDD

[@themanticoreart9170]

@@chiefjudgefish4193 you didnt read, it did you....

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

@@themanticoreart9170 Yes I struggled through it to the end. I Hated it. The whispy drooping wall flower character Madeline Miller turned Patroclus into bears absolutely no resemblance to the savage battle hungry character who appears in the Illiad. He's fame hungry and spends most of his speaking time in the Illiad urging Achilles to forget his quarrel with Agammemnon so that he can go out and win greater fame for himself. He is not a moon eyed passive romantic pining for the impossibly perfect Achilles. Patroclus is a hero in his own right with his own reputation as a warrior and was a suitor of Helen to boot. For gods sake Patroclus duels and defeats Sarpedon a son of Zeus in one of the most violent and bloody clashes in the whole poem. And he enjoys it! Madeline Miller did nothing but write a purple prose harlequin romance.

[@Unknown15908]

The song in the back is awesome what is it called?

[@lustralustra]

Highly coordinated...

[@websyhd762]

"Friend" Patroclus 👀

[@captainvalourous6668]

Ah yes that one Green Haired Rider who challenged his Archer Mentor in a fist fight on a certain aircraft 😅

[@humanity600]

*Culture* 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@oscarluigie5718]

Rider of Red: Achilles Archer of Black: Chiron

[@np-zj4sf]

what is the name of the music used in the background?

[@GunLut]

The fact that Patroclus wasn't mentioned once in this video is just wrong.

[@OscarDirlwood]

He was? "his faithful friend patroclus"

[@kampireimmaculate1809]

Ayo but like I have theory that the fates set his mother and him up, cuz they said if Hector died, Achilles would die but instead it's Patroclus' death that caused his downfall

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

Patroclus isn’t important till he dies.

[@aimanman1268]

Amazing warrior

[@333angeleyes]

If Odysseus was really as smart as they say he was then how could he have not seen the irony that he was mad at another king for exposing him trying to hide from the war, yet, he had no problem doing the same thing to Achilles.

[@SezarOroo]

So... basically, Palamedes unmasked Odysseus as NOT crazy and forced him to join the war and Odysseus hated him for this and like 2 days later, Odysseus did the same think to Achilles?

[@eugenioluengohernandez8550]

A possible mistake? As I believe, Pyrrus was not yet born when Achilles left for Troy.

[@lucycpe]

just wondering, I have just read "the song of Achilles" and it there says that Patroclus is a weak and skinny boy/man who is Achilleses lover.

[@quitecontrary.]

I think that’s just a retelling, it’s not necessarily true. I’ve seen someone comment that Patroclus was a strong warrior.

[@jacket-1989]

It's a book, not the real story, the autor even said that it was inspired but she modified many things.

[@lucycpe]

@@jacket-1989 ohh okay thanks, i didnt know that

[@sreekanthcp1053]

'Trained with his friend patroclus' People who read song of Achilles:- 👁️👄👁️

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

People who read the Iliad instead. 😎👍

[@riyasriv]

@@chiefjudgefish4193 i see you replying to every comment about this book… go outside. make a friend. touch some grass. find something better to do and let people enjoy their favorite books in peace

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

@@riyasriv I see this argument has raised it head.. why are you so concerned when somebody isn't shy with a dissenting viewpoint regarding a book? Is your appreciation of said book so fragile you can only see glowing praise for it? Read some other books on the subject and the era. Let people argue about things they're passionate about in peace.

[@meryzf]

@@chiefjudgefish4193 actually if you read the Iliad there is a tone of evidences that show that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers😂 just study bro

[@jacket-1989]

@@meryzf oh i did. The "evidences showing that they were lovers" could be used in every good make friendship. I literally have at least 4 friends as close to me as patroclus wzs to achilles. Bromance is something.

[@antonispanajiotispapastama8821]

💙🇬🇷 ACHILLES DEMIGOD HERO 🇬🇷💙

[@STEAKnyfeCYRUS]

...Thanks

[@hekasis]

"And they were roommates"

[@jacavanheesch4593]

yeah his "friend" 0:37

[@ravenbridges6078]

Odysseus's soldier: there's pirates Achilles: PIRATES LET'S GO!! oh um I mean I'm a princess an there's pirates I must go Odysseus: rolls eyes* come on i got u Achilles

[@yusufgazi7]

Odysseus, Perseus, Theseus and Heracles: am I a joke to you

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

Heracles is the greatest Greece hero of any age

[@thepixelpony4640]

@@durrangodsgrief6503 wrong.

[@durrangodsgrief6503]

@@thepixelpony4640 how

[@humanity600]

Diomedes: Make way, coming through.

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

@True Psychic Emperor the fact that any further stories about Diomedes after the Iliad are lost is a massive source of frustration.

[@antonispapastamatis6413]

💙🇬🇷 ACHILLES DEMIGOD GREEK HERO 🇬🇷💙

[@elodjiejaijphilipah]

what's the name of the music?

[@mapestonina]

Wow!!

[@vishnuchandran9788]

Wow. He one of my favourite character in Greek Mythology. By the way 'TROY' Movie was good. That movie was introduced me these peoples. The Cast of the Movie was good.

[@srijitadas8619]

Even though it's mythology... The video is kind of wrong about achillies's story 💀 he never met his son. But here 3:25 , the art looks as if achillies's son was sad to bid farewell to his father, when actually he never met his father

[@grual]

In the story I heard of Achilles he wasn't put into the Styx to become invulnurable but instead he was held over a magic/holy fire which gave him his power. Is this actually a real story or am I misremembering?

[@lillianheath9666]

there's two different version. in myths such as these, over time they tend to change. storytellers put their own twist on it, misunderstandings are created over the centuries- so neither one is more correct than the other, they're simply different versions. so you can pick whichever one you like more! I grew up with the River Styx version, but the holy fire is also a beautiful version as well!

[@higonakamura1236]

No... I think it's another child blessed by Demeter in Persephone's story.

[@savagedarksider5934]

Hera: Marry me ! Aphrodite: Marry me ! Persephone: Marry me ! Athena: Marry me ! Me: Hmm, I chose all of you.

[@agniswar3]

From were this meme came from? It is literally in every Greek mythology related video.

[@agniswar3]

@Max Agnew I know don't know everything but I know majority of the stories.

[@Vaelithar]

His *"friend"*

[@kmoustakas]

I love how you call us Hellines. We hadn't been dubbed 'greeks' by foreigners yet.

[@northerners2828]

Is there no one else? Said achilles 😀

[@ninazenik5981]

"i am made of memories"

[@antonispanajiotispapastama8821]

🇬🇷 Achilles Demigod Hero and he was the son of Peleus, a Greek king and Achilles was the son of the Thetis, a Goddess, and Peleus, the Greek king and King of the Myrmidons. 🇬🇷

[@synonym2115]

GREATEST WARRIOR EVER!!

[@piuma_bianca]

Music?

[@ttendonsonga7587]

Can you do a video about the arcangels

[@allmagicguy]

No mention of Achilles brother Bofadies at all.

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

1:29 So….he’ll return dead and a champion? 🤔

[@millicentcampbell8502]

2:01 looks exactly like him

[@chancedelgado6520]

What was his real life story

[@ishtarbabylon4869]

Great movie btw ..Brad Pitt was perfect as Achilles

[@alextayoyong3712]

Odysseus... The great mind of Trojan War.

[@WCLCooke]

Am I the only one who thought that the Achilles in this looked like Brad Pitt?

[@antonispanajiotispapastama8821]

🇬🇷 ACHILLES DEMIGOD GREEK HERO 🇬🇷

[@themanticoreart9170]

I was thinking about Achilles whole day and now i see this video ._. I-

[@candyqueen_00]

A hero from the start I see✨🛐 I like how even tho he had a gf and a son, it still didn't mean he felt any different about his beloved Patroclus

[@Raghav_Abhishek]

Why dont u try Reading Indian Mythology.. we would love to see a video on Epic MAHABHARATA....

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

I’d love to know more about the Mahabharata. But they sheer length of the thing combined with having no cultural context for it scares me.

[@chokfunglimbu5603]

Just friends 😢

[@antonispapastamatis6413]

🇬🇷 ACHILLES DEMIGOD HERO 🇬🇷

[@mjt0194]

He was a giant

[@jasslee1989]

"with his friend patroclus"

[@aubreyyoung6664]

Achilles is very brave

[@jacksongibbs8998]

He used to be an adventurer like you

[@ubitchesbettayuhlikeari-an7877]

" Deidamia, Achilles' girlfriend, with their 4 yo son" Me, who just finished Song of Achilles: *NO hihi*

[@elijahandrin4477]

Just checking something. Marem.

[@CaptainMera]

"""Fateful friend""" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 HON THEY WERE LOVERS.

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

Where in the Iliad does it say they were lovers?

[@apeiwong07]

@@chiefjudgefish4193 it doesn’t some people just like to think of them as such because of their close relationship such as me

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

@@apeiwong07 which is an incredibly toxic way of viewing male relationships.

[@apeiwong07]

@@chiefjudgefish4193 dude, it’s not gonna hurt anyone for shipping them is it?

[@chiefjudgefish4193]

@@apeiwong07 yes. Creates a toxic view of masculinity.

[@TheKrazykwasi]

So Odysseus was passed at the other guy for fooling him into joining a war... now he's here doing the same thing to Achilles. Lol.

[@waylin6161]

The man who hurt the gods

[@ttendonsonga7587]

Yes!!!

[@andrewgraziani4331]

2:47 I thought of Curley of 3 stooges dressed like a woman.

[@KoeiKatsune]

Sorry not sorry. Theres no solid evidence of the trojan war let alone achilles personal life. Gonna flip the coin here and go with Patroclus was achilles best friend/cousin as them being lovers doesn't sit well with me.