The Quintinshill Rail Disaster | A Short Documentary | Fascinating Horror

"On the 22 May 1915, a fully-loaded troop train was passing close to Gretna Green in Scotland. The train was bound for Liverpool..."
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[@FascinatingHorror]

If the safety of others depends on you doing your job right... don't cut corners! Stay safe out there, everyone.

[@sylwia7060]

This is a high quality channel-looking forward to see your channel grow💪, Greetings from your nr one fan in faraway Norway ✌

[@LegendofLaw]

And if you can't handle the pressure of dealing with that type of responsibility, you NEED to find another career/job.

[@Shared-Experiences]

I love that you give a twilight zone like lesson to every video.

[@homefront3162]

Don't preach

[@estherl2407]

Wow, so sad

[@SunniDae333]

6:18 "Still, the worst was yet to come" WHAT MORE IS THERE

[@evegreenification]

My inner psychopath started rubbing their hands together at that line.

[@UltraGamma25]

@@evegreenification dude..what?

[@itwontcomeout5678]

This was the reaction we all had at the beginning of 2020.

[@STARDRIVE]

@@itwontcomeout5678 And I imagine 2020 was just an appetizer for the roaring twenties 2.0...

[@THICCTHICCTHICC]

3 trains have crashed.... AND THAT'S NOT THE BAD PART

[@lesleyb5591]

The BBC made a documentary about this a few years ago. This suggested that perhaps the railway authorities told the signalmen "ok, if you take the blame for this we'll give you another job as soon as you get out of jail." The reason for this was so investigators wouldn't look too closely into wider practices that could have contributed to the accident and the high death toll such as using wooden carriages with gas lighting and apparently trying to keep normal civilian train services running at the pre-war rate whilst expecting staff to also deal with the extra war traffic.

[@kyliepechler]

Ah, well that would explain them both getting off fairly lightly - only serving 1 year in prison - and then being re-employed in the same job. Thanks for that information, Lesley B.

[@KatTheScribe]

This is along the lines of what I was thinking. Yes, the signalmen were negligent, but not intentionally so. The railway, on the other hand, is responsible for adequate staffing, safe practices & for having procedures in place to prevent things like this from happening. Cutting corners is nothing new, unfortunately. The signalmen could have prevented this accident had they been diligent in performing their duties. That said, it was wartime. Stress was high, no doubt affecting everyone's thought processes. I'm sure they paid the price in living with the responsibility for this disaster for the rest of their lives.

[@WyattRyeSway]

That does make sense. I’ve never heard of this tragedy before.

[@myragroenewegen5426]

That's just where my head was going. Some mistakes you just shouldn't be ABLE to make that fast. I'm sure there must be safety things today that would have helped those signalmen. I really feel like it isn't much their fault and I can't imagine how terribly the ppublic would have treated them or their feelings of guilt.

[@benconway9010]

Basically head people were cunts then? No change there then

[@stevemartin6144]

I knew one of the soldier survivors. His namw was Charles "Charlie" Crooke. He was badly injured, lost 2 or 3 fingers and suffered permanent brain damage. After months in hospital, he was discharged from the army and in the 1920's immigrated to Canada with his sister who forever looked after him. His memory and speech was forever altered. When asked about the crash he would repeat over and over again, "Tea...two biscuits". It was only learned years later from a lesser injured survivor that at the time of the crash, Charles and mates had just been served tea and buscuits. That is all that he could ever recall. I met him in 1971 and met him almost daily to 1973. He never worked again since 1915.

[@Texaslawhorn]

Poor man

[@YourFoolishPride]

WOW. Holy hell, man.

[@ezragonzalez8936]

Wow sounds like the poor soul was permanently shell-shocked PSTD its possible he remembered much more but the horrific memories coming after "tea and two biscuits" was too much 😢 any chance you know when and where Charlie died? Thank you for sharing this intensely heartbreaking story 💔 cheers from Salt Lake City Utah!

[@user-lf3wr8rh7r]

@@ezragonzalez8936 The brain can block horrific memories in order to prevent complete mental breakdown, thats why people who witnessed horrifying crimes can recall them under hypnosis!

[@Jnow20]

@Walter Melon LMFAO OMG the last part of your comment is amazing!!!

[@1SpicyMeataball]

Dang, when you try to do your bro a solid and end up crashing three trains.

[@julian2626]

I hate it when that happens you know

[@flyingfish5054]

ah yes relatable

[@RCAvhstape]

When Good Guy Greg turns into Bad Luck Brian.

[@SWAGCHODE]

@Helium Road did you just walk out of a time machine? or escape from a cave???

[@AmarilloMusicAB]

@@RCAvhstape I bet Tinsley sure felt like Scumbag Steve after all that

[@mulgerbill]

I'm a railway signalman of 33 years service. Our basic training at the time was six weeks of ten hour days followed by three six hour, one on one examinations with 90% being needed for a pass, fail any and you had to retake the whole programme. Day two at the training centre was devoted to history, Quintinshill was the first case covered. To this day, it's the lesson that's stayed freshest in my mind. I should add, that at the time of the incident, there was other people not necessary for the working of the line in the box, this distraction no doubt adding one more layer to the sequence of unforgivable errors that led to this tragedy

[@milanstevic8424]

jesus christ, their jobs involved just 2 main lines with a siding each. how distracted you had to be?? it was a war time and a busy railway section, with trains full of coal, people, and stuff occupying it at all times. I expect it was a full banquet in there, if one can forget the entire train, temporarily parked in one of the two main lines, and he just got off of it! but ultimately, the actual mistake lies with whoever designed the system to be run by only one person at any time. you can't have a single programmer nowadays and expect a bug-free software product, even in a stress-free environment (which is rare, don't get me wrong), and I can't fathom how anyone assumed this kind of accident NOT to occur at some point.. to be honest, with all the accidents I've heard so far, on this channel and beyond, I can't quite understand the lack of imagination and/or lack of communication that seems to be typical in any organization with critically moving parts. I just can't. it is so irrational. it's always the same "they've been cutting the costs" "they've employed too few people" "they've been cutting corners" "they've been employing cheap cutters to cut the corners" "they've been cutting the cutters that were cheaply cutting the corners and then there was a loose bolt, and then everybody burned and their families didn't get a dime, not even for the burial, because such disasters are considered the God's wish and it was the signalman's fault anyway" oh c'mon for fuck sake, am I the only one angry because we let this happen constantly? can't we already adopt the meta thinking regarding this, and I mean as a species??

[@sockshandle]

@@milanstevic8424 it was one mainline actually with two sidings for the up and down lines

[@Deere55]

@@milanstevic8424 You have a point but don't get carried away by binge watching these videos. These incidents are extremely rare, it isn't an epidemic of human stupidity. Think about how many trains, roller coasters, and ships operate every day without incident. How many theaters have a show without burning down. How many building there are that are designed perfectly fine. How many people go inside of a cave without dying. On and on. It's easy to get a little overly concerned about this, when watching videos about every incident of the last 150 years.

[@milanstevic8424]

@@Deere55 tell me that when you lose a daughter in a horrible fiery ball because the air traffic controller talked too fast, and not because she wanted to or because she wasn't capable for the job, but because she had 15 planes on hold, all attempting to cross each others' runways while maintaining 50 year old procedures, but one pilot was tired because he didn't want to lose job at a company that was slacking on keeping their bolts tight. and so the rarities will conspire that day, killing two planes worth of people in a ballet of Jet A1. whose fault it is? is it god? the pilot will survive and feel guilty for the rest of his life, which is just 2 years of horrid trials and media persecution until he is found hanging next to his 15.000 hours flying certificate and a medal for combat in Vietnam. "These incidents are extremely rare, it isn't an epidemic of human stupidity." it's not about frequency, it's about *severity* . there is no practical reason or explanation for any of this to be happening. it's majorly irresponsible to treat critically moving parts like you're supposed to throw a bag of garbage or boil an egg. "what's the worst that can happen?" -- well, it can precipitate into a disaster larger than life, because these little irresponsibilities work a lot like the butterfly effect, everybody's holding back or postponing their faculties until it all aligns just right, and it all falls down on some random walker by. in big transportation, that's usually something with 300+ souls on it. not everything should be viewed through statistics alone. people aren't grains of sand. heck, not even grains of sand are grains of sand, it's just that their differences do not matter from our vantage point, so there is an obvious threshold at which individuals begin to resemble faceless populations, and that's usually from a corporate point of view. if this above really happened to you, you'd flip your point of view 180 degrees, therefore I have to assume that you're 1) biased, 2) employed by a corporation, or at least 3) nowhere near the every day reality of human beings. regarding statistics, which one is better: a) a mosquito bite every day for the rest of your life, or b) a single stiletto through your jugular.

[@Deere55]

You got me, I work for Greed Inc.

[@RocRolDis]

Gotta wonder who got it worse. The soldiers who died in this tragedy or those that made it to Gallipoli

[@BrettonFerguson]

Gallipoli definitely.

[@RocRolDis]

Bretton Ferguson That’s my feeling as well.

[@Catglittercrafts]

WWI was an awful horrifying war no matter where you were

[@WyattRyeSway]

Good point

[@soxpeewee]

Imagine surviving that to get your butt shot off jeebus

[@timfondiggle2582]

*Looks to comments to see how bad its going to be* First comment: "i respect the captain who shot his men rather than let them burn to death"

[@richardd408]

Jesus.....

[@timfondiggle2582]

@@richardd408 right?

[@bogdangabrielonete3467]

JonTron: Off to a good start now

[@kimberlyoldschool]

😳😳😳 BRUH

[@NM-wd7kx]

It's grim, but I'd definitely rather be shot than burn alive

[@j.peters1222]

Imagine being an officer and having to put down other men in uniform (some of which were under their command) because they would otherwise be consumed by fire and suffer a most agonizing demise. That had to be a very difficult decision to make and certainly one I wouldn't want to have to make.

[@agotti4933]

Bravery because wow. I would rather be shot than to burn to death. This channel really makes u think!!! God bless them all.

[@themightyparthos]

Unfortunately the reality is these boys were going to die a horrible death either way, they were going to Gallipoli. Simply another Churchill blunder that cost more peasant blood and treasure.

[@TheSuperHarrygeorge]

@@themightyparthos uninformed comment.

[@user-lf3wr8rh7r]

Being a leader of fighting men means they have to make difficult decisions every day! During ww1 these decisions would not be understood by today's standards, im sure, pretty much every officer that i served under would have made the same decision!

[@lucaskoring4500]

BREAKABLE WINDOWS. THIS IS WHY WE NEED EM.

[@asiantom4935]

this channel is very underated EDIT: Okay for context the channel was still at 1-10k subs when i made this comment. And yes i know if i edit this comment, the heart will disappear.

[@Yana-bd8qg]

DrTheKay don’t be one of those assholes bro

[@caddy272]

Makes a good point. And is followed up by basement haters saying dont try to get asskissing.. Lolol what a world we live in Ignore them homie.

[@drewsmoma]

I totally agree. 3 videos in, and I’ve never heard of any of them. That’s a rarity for me. R.I.P to those who were lost. 🙏🏽 Awesome channel.

[@Howiesgirl]

Agreed! Just found it today, & I'm binge-watching. I better go subscribe now!

[@thomasdupont1905]

it's my third episode in a row, I just subscribed and liked thinking that and then came across your comment

[@thefeatheredfrontiersman8135]

Don't mess with cave systems... Don't mess with medical equipment... Stay away from amusement parks... Don't flood the sky with balloons... Consider the safety of others in the work place... Or else!

[@Kasey1776]

you do realize you’re more likely to die in a car crash then a theme park?

[@thefeatheredfrontiersman8135]

@@Kasey1776 truth! But I have a soft stomach so I never really liked theme parks.

[@Kasey1776]

Ah, I see.

[@sda9995]

Don’t go hiking alone

[@_-.Everlast.-_]

Brush your teeth!

[@fadingstarlight]

Yea I like how they are short but you get all the info without a lot of nothing filler. I just came across this channel today and already watched like 4 haha

[@YourFoolishPride]

I am addicted after finding this today.

[@neurotictigers]

Me too! Lol

[@jennarobin2748]

Same here!! Today is my first day!

[@monica012077]

I watched 2 last night(one about a amusement park) and today I've watched 2. I'm hooked lol

[@Hexxedtone]

every word you speak is true baby. my God that is a turn on

[@kevincollins2184]

I respect the officers that put their men out of their missary as oppose to let them burn to death.

[@Frazzled_Chameleon]

Today, those men would likely be charged with first-degree murder and sent to jail.

[@kcbh24]

You mean misery, I presume?

[@jacobsaccount9353]

@@kcbh24 no! He doesnt! Why dant you learn to spall properly!

[@kevincollins2184]

@@kcbh24 yes that's what I meant didn't catch my mistake

[@SAC-xz5gl]

I assume it makes people feel superior to point out spelling mistakes made by others. Usually it is a typo or just someone not paying attention, But you go....we all know how much more intelligent you are now. Definitely superior!!!

[@jackieconnor7092]

My great grandmothers brother Alexander Brown was on this train. Thanks for this video I've always wanted to hear the story. His death certificate initially had cause of death as Railway Crash but was later amended to say Assumed dead and body never recovered.

[@dinascharnhorst6590]

Oh, how sad!

[@dragonlover7133]

So sorry to hear that x

[@Havarti_Samebito]

Honestly, thank you so much for the diagram. I don't think I would have understood what was happening otherwise, and my confusion would've really distracted me from the more important aspects of this tragedy.

[@Its_like_the_T-Rex]

All of these stories are like a PSA for why regulatory health and safety agencies exist. Good god so many deaths. Great channel ❤

[@AlexanderBruyns]

@TheDarkerKnight Uh, what happened? lol

[@blondy2061h]

Truly. I always find myself rewinding halfway through to look back at what year this happened, then researching what reforms happened since after.

[@theideaofevil]

I had to learn a brief history of OSHA to get safety certified for an old job. Health and Safety regs are all written in blood.

[@StrazdasLT]

Too bad they only start doing their job after someone dies, ech?

[@cathyaudette1060]

I am stunned by the horror of this event. I can only imagine the screams from those trapped and burning, and those who underwent amputations to free them from the wreckage. It may sound strange, but thank God for those men willing to shoot those hopelessly trapped before the fire could reach them.

[@theeveraftercrafter1271]

I think I'd rather be shot and killed than live without a limb.

[@jennarobin2748]

I agree

[@gorillaau]

@@theeveraftercrafter1271 I'd hate to die like that but better than a "field" amputation.

[@JulieWallis1963]

If you’re going to “thank god” give him credit for the crash too!

[@mottthehoople693]

@@theeveraftercrafter1271 depends on which limb

[@yoitired]

Imaging being one of those signalers, watching this disaster happen, knowing it's all your fault for not being more careful just a few minutes ago.

[@kyliepechler]

And then they were re-employed again in the same job by the railways after their jail time. Therefore being reminded of the deaths they were responsible for, every day they went to work from then on.

[@ninaorozco2115]

@wanda hughes possibly... I wouldn't want to even revisit the area that through my fault had caused so many deaths.i do wonder how they could continue doing it...

[@ladycenobia5147]

@@ninaorozco2115 back then it might not have been as easy to change jobs as it is now? I imagine if you had a trade or education you pretty much stuck w a job involving it?

[@wiggshosp]

@@kyliepechler No they weren’t! Meakin never returned to the railway. Tinsley was re-employed by the Caledonian albeit only as a lamp man, at Carlisle station - a very different level of responsibility to operating a main line signal box.

[@kyliepechler]

@@wiggshosp I was only going by what was said in the video. 11:40

[@Magikalic]

Honestly, I have massive respect to those officers who took the decision to end their mens lives themselves. I think that nearly everyone would prefer to die from gunshot then being burned alive, but to make that decision I can't even imagine how desperate the situation must have been.

[@agotti4933]

I wander if a specific honor or medal is available for service men that have to make such decisions with such a rare situation.????

[@themightyparthos]

@@agotti4933 WHAT??? Give an easy incentive for some psycho to earn easy "honor"? Putting someone or something down is no honor, it is a last ditch ripcord. Some folks join the military simply to find "honor", at any cost. Peasants are cheap fodder.

[@indy_go_blue6048]

@@themightyparthos Then there are those willing to let others die for them while allowing the freedom they died for to be taken away by crooks.

[@MikeBarbarossa]

I was wondering- after shooting the soldiers, did they turn their guns on themselves

[@escapetheratracenow9883]

It's like the poor souls trapped in the World Trade Center towers, jump a thousand feet or burn in agony? A horrible, horrible situation to be confronted with...

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

...The saddest thing is... it's not like most of them would've lived much longer anyway. They died _en route to their own deaths._

[@polarisnorth]

I had this thought immediately when I heard they were bound for Gallipoli. Talk about a no-win scenario.

[@Platanis2008]

That's not for the signalmen to decide...

[@bluealice1386]

@@Platanis2008 the signalmen didn’t *decide*, they caused an accident through negligence. I wonder how many men from that battalion actually would have died in Gallipoli compared to the deaths from the crash. I don’t think we can say for sure which would have been better.

[@Platanis2008]

@@bluealice1386 Going to war was the soldiers' choice. Surviving or dying there, it was their will! I bet if you asked them to die from some stupid signalman's error, they wouldn't accept... And yes, the signalmen decided to kill them because they decided to act the way they acted. If they didn't decide to act the way they acted, then they wouldn't have decided to kill them...

[@8kmar]

Maybe someone was gonna die in the war but lived bcuz of the crash

[@TheDoppelgangster]

That's the clearest explanation of what happened I've seen - thank you!

[@FascinatingHorror]

You're welcome. I always try and make things as clear as I can, so I'm real pleased to hear that!

[@DiD86]

Mine is even more extensive. There’s a LOT more not mentioned here…

[@davidaskew217]

It's true that some people were shot to give them a quick death due to their suffering. My great grandfather worked in Gretna Green at that time and told us this story many times. Very sad.

[@rogerhinman5427]

I can fully understand his forgetting the local was still blocking the line. I've gotten out of my truck at the store thinking only of what I need to get. And then remembering I left my phone in the truck and turning around to discover I forgot where I parked the silly thing. Human memory can be a really fickle thing.

[@m4rs12]

That maybe so, but as mentioned in the video there was actually a safety mechanism to prevent this error from happening. These guys were just not diligent enough to follow it through.

[@harrybetteridge7532]

@@m4rs12 It was human error possibly bought about by working extended hours because of the lack of manpower & extra rail usage due to the war. Now days because of this accident a train or carriage on the line would complete an electrical circuit that would ensure the signal for the incoming train to continue couldn't operate removing the possibility of human error.

[@iankemp1131]

@@harrybetteridge7532 The stress question was looked at during the inquiry and also the books written since. In fact the traffic was not exceptionally heavy and the signalmen were working their normal shift times with no extended hours. WW2 was different, when railwaymen were working under blackout conditions, bombs at work and home, interruptions from air raids, huge amounts of enforced overtime. And yet only two major accidents occurred during the war (Norton Fitzwarren and Eccles).

[@iankemp1131]

@@harrybetteridge7532 Electrical track circuits were being installed at the time but had only reached major junctions or particularly busy locations. Quintinshill was regarded as relatively safe and low priority. By the 1960s track circuiting was indeed pretty complete on main lines.

[@ladycenobia5147]

I definitely feel this. I've very scatter brained and I can't tell you how many times I've forgotten stuff at my job. I could never do a job like this, nursing, air traffic controller..etc.

[@matador521]

Absolutely outstanding. A picture paints a thousand words, a moving picture even more so, and the diagram gave me a much clearer understanding of exactly what happened than I ever had before. The commentary also was informative, and appropriately sombre and respectful; the photographs were well-chosen. I subscribed on the spot although I have not seen this channel before.

[@webspaghetti]

A really well told story with great narration. The graphics were excellent and explained the incident clearly! Subscribed.

[@FascinatingHorror]

Welcome on board!

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

My mother: "Having ADD isn't an excuse for avoiding positions of responsibility" Me, having watched this: "The Hell you say"

[@capnskiddies]

She's right. Maybe Railway Signaller isn't right for you because you would need to work alone, rely upon self-checking skills, calmness under pressure and accurate recall & application of rules. There are plenty of positions of responsibility that would be less demanding and wouldn't involve shift work

[@mysterylovescompany2657]

@@capnskiddies I'm an Executive Assistant. :-)

[@capnskiddies]

@@mysterylovescompany2657 well there you go

[@sarahamira5732]

I mean, seriously tho, people really do need to take ADD and ADHD more serioulsy

[@sarahamira5732]

@@AjaxCochrane not to mention that ADD and ADHD can be debilitating. Individuals with ADHD that extends into adulthood actually have a shorter life expectancy.

[@holdencross5904]

I'm British and I am disgusted that I have never heard of this incident. Truly sad at the loss of their lives.

[@invisibleman4827]

Maybe it's high time somebody made a movie about it, or a series on Netflix

[@mariao6813]

I discovered your channel yesterday, and I binged. You quickly became a new favorite. Greatly researched and put together.

[@icannotpretend5834]

The day signalman got his extra half hour sleep and he was still absent minded. Edit: Dang!!! They both went back to work for the railways after going to prison. It was definitely a different time

[@thomasdupont1905]

By today's standards, the company would be at blame. Shifts shouldn't be longer than 8 hours to ensure employees are able to maintain an ideal state of vigilance

[@kyliepechler]

Yes, it was atrocious that they only served 1 year in prison and then got re-employed in the same job they killed over 200 soldiers with their incompetence!

[@soxpeewee]

I mean what are the chances they'd kill people again. Smh

[@kyliepechler]

@@soxpeewee No Carol, That is not the problem. The two particular men would probably be extra careful with their work, after seeing 200+ people burn/die after such an horrific mistake. The problem with them being re-employed in the exact same job they were in after killing 200+ people, is that this sends a message to every other railway worker... "Don't be too concerned about making an avoidable mistake that kills people, the railways will still employ you again after it" That promotes carelessness.

[@Josh729J]

@@kyliepechler yeah but humans make mistakes. two ppl should be monitoring like pilots etc. Even a genius etc i wouldnt have 100 percent trust in

[@AB-uz1tl]

Either remember the screams of men you could have shot, or remember the pull of the trigger, splatter of blood, sound of the gun for the rest of your life. A choice made in seconds. But most likely remembered both in the end.

[@jenniferloving9054]

Yeah, but with one choice, you would at least have the assurance that they didn't die in excruciating pain!

[@esteemedmortal5917]

Wow, never heard this story. That was kind of those people to spare those who were trapped from an agonizing death. Still, if that didn’t give someone PTSD, I don’t know what would.

[@LittleKitty22]

Yup, that was proper PTSD, unlike nowadays when everybody and his dog claims to have it because they had their lawnmower stolen!

[@reachandler3655]

@@LittleKitty22 I don't know anyone who 'claims' PTSD from having a lawnmower stolen! I also don't know anyone, including myself, who wants PTSD; but at least now it is a recognised condition and there is help available. Back then those who suffered would have been considered weak minded malingerers.

[@HO-bndk]

@@reachandler3655 No, they were not. The British army of the time had a progressive and sympathetic attitude to psychiatric casualties and went to great lengths to study and understand the phenomenon. Nobody was ever punished for being "shell shocked". Don't believe the ignorant myths.

[@reachandler3655]

@@HO-bndk That's what I was told by an ex army nurse, referring to commanding officers not medical personnel.

[@amodernalchemist432]

Holy shite! They were hired back on the rail yard!?! That's even crazier ffs

[@Tearsheet]

WWI was madness upon madness. It's sad to see how a travesty like Gallipoli extended even to its mobilization.

[@amodernalchemist432]

@@Tearsheet I totally agree with you👍

[@WyattRyeSway]

Someone in a comment up above this said the man was told by the company to take responsibility and he would be hired when he got out of jail. That’s what happened I guess.

[@AngryHateMusic]

If you think that is insane, check out this guy and why they hired him back the day after they fired him... kzbin.info/www/bejne/paCyoZJ7eZaCeJo

[@iankemp1131]

It was standard practice in those days for railways to show loyalty to their employees and vice versa. Other railways also re-hired employees after they had caused accidents, but they would never be re-employed in safety-critical positions. Tinsley and Meakin were both demoted.

[@umbrellacorp.]

R.I.P. 🕯😢⚘ May the soldiers and civilians find peace. My Respects, from Germany. 🇩🇪

[@AnjuDieQualle]

@rihardo123 only because someone lives in Germany, doesn't mean their ancestors were Nazis. You hypocrite are pretty discriminatory yourself, huh

[@AnjuDieQualle]

@rihardo123 you are a special kind of stupid. You're not even reading what I wrote. You probably don't even understand what I meant. There is a huge percentage of foreign people that moved to Germany ever since the second world war. The likeliness that this person has actually German ancestors is not that high.

[@WTCrazykid073]

Rihardo... The Nazis invaded their own country first... Many Germans were falsely led and forcefully made to follow the Nazis, and many didn't. Germany wasn't the enemy, Nazis were...

[@gldntchr7122]

@@WTCrazykid073 You get your information from a cereal box? They were voted in over like a 10 year period, they weren't "invaded". They were well liked because the alternative was communism and starving because of war reparations/debts.

[@nevercommitsuicide]

@@gldntchr7122 wrong. Many people hated the nazis but couldn’t say it in fear of death or jail. And others got tricked into thinking they were good.

[@adambartlett7955]

i believe in WWI in England, to improve recruitment, they had "buddy battalions" (i think thats what they were called). Anyway, the thinking was, if you could get young men to join up with friends and keep them in the same unit more would join. Well what happened was if a unit was decimated a whole community would lose a high percentage of their able bodied men.

[@phillydelphia8760]

They were the 'pals battalions' I'm pretty sure. It wasn't a practice that lasted for the whole war, as inevitably more than a few were close to wiped out in the early stages, I think.

[@escapetheratracenow9883]

In WW2 five brothers called the Sullivans, went down when their ship was sunk. Such a situation was never allowed again in the US Navy. Might have been four brothers but either way it was horrible for the family back home. Every town and city in Northern England last vast swathes of their young boys when the Pals battalions were cut down by German machine gun and artillery fire in the Great War. July 1st, 1916, saw 20,000 British soldiers killed in less than 4 hours. The war to end all wars- a fitting epitaph, if only it had been true.

[@elizabethcampbell938]

It was the same in Scotland.

[@GodzThirdLeg]

@@escapetheratracenow9883As a reaction to the fate of the Sullivans the US armed forces as a whole implemented policies to ensure that no family(or at least as few as possible) would suffer a similar fate.

[@mollybennett3291]

This is part of the reason today siblings aren’t allowed to serve in the same batilion on the same ship or in the same areas/ warzones, to try and lower the chances of a family losing more then one child.

[@susanlansdell863]

I read about this years ago but I understand more clearly now how it happened thanks to your diagram and excellent narration.xx

[@stefansoder6903]

As a railwayman I am happy to see that you got every detail right!

[@geordischmidt]

I can sort of forgive Mikan staying on an extra thirty minutes, but I'm less forgiving of Tinsley. The guy arrived to work on the same local train that had been placed on the Up line from the Down line. How could he forget the very train he had just ridden?

[@jenniferbrewer5370]

Tinsley should've done time in prison for this.

[@nickbritt1145]

Blame also lies with the fireman of the local train, George Hutchinson. He only signed the train register and did not remind Tinsley personally about the local being parked on the up line or check if there was a lever collar on the up line’s signal lever. The worst part? Hutchinson asked Tinsley for a pen and Tinsley didn’t even bother to see who was asking for the pen as Tinsley was so focused on filling out the missing time tables.

[@christinad4432]

How does this channel not have at least half a million subscribers? This channel is so fasinating and each video is so well done. Not even 23k subs? If you ask me, This channel deserves so much more

[@kcbh24]

It's only a year old. These things take time. There's a million KZbin channels.

[@that.ll_do_pig]

23k 4 days ago? He's definitely going to grow quickly then because he's already more than doubled. 😊

[@ManMountainMetals]

1.04 million subscribers 🥳

[@jimbegin6554]

The first I knew of this disaster was from the excellent book “Red For Danger” by L.T.C Rolt, which I read in the 1960’s. And, more recently, “The Quintinshill Conspiracy” by Jack Richards and Adrian Searle. This book does indeed show, along with other failings, that the railway company was probably covering up some very slack practices. Thank you for a concise video showing the build up to and horror of this avoidable accident!

[@jshadows4118]

KZbin recommended this. I am not disappointed.

[@thomasdoubting]

To die on the way to such a pointless war... lost for words 😷

[@angelicanordstrom33]

6:18 "Still the worst was yet to come" HOW IN TARNATION IS THAT EVEN REMOTELY POSSIBLE?!

[@brisket5588]

You don’t have enough subs man. the amount of effort you put into this channel is awe inspiring. Thank you for keeping me up until 3 am again!

[@claraholcomb3421]

I started at 2 am and it is now 8 am can't stop watching am a new subscriber 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@smooshiebear80]

Yet another reason why the “enlist with your neighbor and serve in the same unit with him” was a bad idea.

[@cathyl7944]

Or brothers! So many horrible stories of family generations dying together

[@cleanserene6330]

Just found your channel, very professional and respectful, and incidents I actually haven't heard of...I've been binge-watching all day...new subscriber

[@video125com]

Although well made, this account fails to mention the MOST IMPORTANT contribution to the loss of life. The fact that the carriage doors WERE LOCKED!!! After Quintinshill, train carriages were not locked again for decades.

[@icannotpretend5834]

6:25 Omg!! Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. It did.

[@limeycheesehead97]

I've only recently found your channel and have now binged all the episodes. Your narration is brilliant - keep up to great work! I'm now subscribed and look forward to future episodes.

[@judescinnamon]

At least the surviving soldiers (except officers) were sent back home instead of being shipped out to the war, despite there being a shortage of cannon fodder.

[@ZGryphon]

As opposed to, say, Shackleton's men from the _Endurance_ expedition, who survived a months-long ordeal in Antarctica, then finally made it back to England just in time to be turned straight around and hurled into the meat grinder.

[@hannahkate3732]

Very much underrated and extremely well researched and narrated.

[@dizzy6799]

Damn how old is this channel? Should have millions of subs with this quality

[@SilverWealth_Draper_Mint]

You should open a similar channel.. All they do is repeat same stories over and over...Best wishes

[@DeathKorpsMailman]

Honestly, given how Gallipoli played out, I'd say this was almost a mercy for those soldiers.

[@Theyrecomingtogetyoubarbara]

I don’t even feel the photos of the scene do the horrific tragedy justice. When you announced the number of fatalities I was completely shocked.

[@elizahamilton5599]

I forgot which video it was but when he the death toll in the hundreds I legit went “holy shit!”

[@TheTacosAreHere]

This is literally one of the most bingeable series, I think I've come across yet on KZbin. Perfect for listening in the background while working and delivered in a way that makes it absorbable, yet not like listening to a lecture. Incredible work.

[@johnjephcote7636]

The lever collar had been introduced on the Midland Railway after the Blea Moor accident- an earlier case of a signalman forgetting a light engine and inadvertantly sending it ahead of the Scotch Express.

[@earlt.7573]

Thank you for presenting this subject matter in way that is factual and respectful. No tawdry dramatics, no sensationalism, no flippant carnival like narration. Your videos handle tough reality in a manner that sheds light on human tragedy, while doing so in a dignified way that respects those people caught in the actual events.

[@martinauld670]

I walk past Rosebank cemetery every day and I had no idea this was what the Gretna memorial was commemorating until watching this random KZbin video.

[@thomasoates3003]

I was wondering when this incident would be covered (especially spooky given I'm near Quintinshill today). Another superb video.

[@gaiar.d.rosendahl8300]

I really appreciate that animation used in describing this event. It's very well made, and easy to understand.

[@petermburke3964]

You have a great story telling talent. Awesome detail.

[@wendyharper9454]

This was detailed in Tom Rolt's "Red for Danger" and well worth reading. So many mistakes by the railway companies, so little care for safety and so little willingness to spend money, that the disaster was naturally blamed on the workers!

[@fiofofionomoto]

I appreciate the diagram explaining what happened - these things can be quite complicated to understand and visualise, so it really helped!

[@CallofHayden]

Hi, I’m sure you’ve got video ideas already planned and in the making but there’s an event called the Halifax explosion and it’s pretty interesting.

[@jefferyindorf699]

Yes, I think it was the biggest explosion before the trinity test.

[@kimzee59]

One story I would love to hear people talk about is the Thorpe Rail disaster. In 1874 in a small village named Thorpe just outside Norwich in England, there was a head on collision of 2 trains on a one way rail that ended up taking the lives of 27 people. They also had over 70 with injuries requiring hospitalization out of a total of around 220 passengers. It had been caused because there was an error with the communication which ended with both trains going down a single rail. It ended up causing people to implement new safety features into their trains to prevent an accident like that from happening again. While it wasnt a huge death toll, it still is something that has always interested me because of how severe it seemed back in the 1870s when it happened.

[@SeverityOne]

One detail about why they slept late: they came by train. To arrive on time, they would have had to take an earlier train, which was like an hour earlier.

[@harlee9595]

How did I only just find your channel. Exactly the content I like and with history I've never heard of before. Very underrated :)

[@DisgruntledPelican17]

I discovered this channel yesterday and I'm almost out of videos! I love your channel, please continue making excellent content :)

[@tobyhinds5809]

Nicely done well spoken and concise don't change a thing

[@pepperwestwood]

Never heard of this one wow. Top job as always mate! 💯

[@sarahjanegrobler4396]

Very clear and calming voice. What a terrible dissaster and he was *worried about himself but caused this horrific pain and agony, heartbreak and loss* I dont think he could enjoy life after this. I wouldnt!!!! Very sad event.

[@Writergurl]

I’m watching all of your videos from newest down. I love historical disasters for some odd reason. Keep up the great content.

[@dessmith1387]

Lever collar not in place, and rule 55 not carried out. No track circuit interlocking. Line blocked, Train accepted, Conflicting movement.

[@Olympusontop]

Best Documentaries channel. Absolutely amazing

[@agotti4933]

So glad I found u all and this channel today!!! This channel makes me pray more and realize how precious life is!!!

[@gladysmufalli5614]

I had never heard of this incident, great video once again.

[@witchbxtch0330]

just over a year ago i had to stop watching Fascinating Horror’s channel because i had watched LITERALLY every video he’s uploaded…. IM BACK AND READY FOR MORE, these videos get me through my work day!!

[@calebcarty8552]

These are so addicting to watch. Very well done!

[@MaryFaulds]

I keep watching these and they are so sad, but I appreciate the respect you give these stories.

[@DeeManson]

Omg, I just found this channel :) This is a gem! ♥

[@Carolbearce]

Wow, you do an awesome job of narrating and tracking down these horrific parts of history. Well done.

[@6966neil]

At 8:38 on video, one of my great-uncles is standing in the lines of soldiers, towards the end, on the right, looking young & shaken. He lived in Leith, a few other brothers served in WW1, and all survived (more or less). But that's all I know about his involvement in the disaster.

[@kell6078]

I really apprecaite that you respect these tragedies by keeping to the facts and not offering sensationalized theories or opinions. Great videos, thank you for your excellent work.

[@barryphillips7327]

How the hell can someone have traveled on a train to work and two or three minutes later have FORGOTTEN about it???????

[@bigsarge8795]

Someone like me probably - i know all the words from a song i heard in 1985 but i cant remember what i had for supper two nights ago

[@stormbornapostle5188]

The same way parents can leave their toddlers in the backseat of a car on a hot summer day, I suppose.

[@Sorarse]

Probably because it wasn't him that signalled it on to the up main line and then neglected to put a collar on the signal that would have protected it. As said in the video, there were a lot of other things going on in that signal box taking his attention when he cleared the signal that resulted in the original collision. I am sure we can all think of memonets when something has slipped our mind, even though we may have only been thinking about it a few moments before, Unfortunately for Tinsley, and everyone that died in that accident, what slipped his mind was to have devestating consequences.

[@modelsteamers671]

It's an easy mistake when you are busy. A lot of early train crashes were as a result of signalman forgetting things.

[@foxwyrick1]

I appreciate these videos, learn so much about tragedy that was not taught in school. This was something that could have been avoided and the senseless deaths make me sick.

[@elias08]

I always find it interesting when you explain rescue work taking place and most photos just show men and women standing off the side just staring into a pile of wreckage.

[@danem2215]

I wonder how much of that is just sheer disconnect from reality. It must've been absolutely surreal to see that much wreckage and mutilation at a time when that wasn't just something you can find on demand; it's something I'm still not comfortable with after a long time online.

[@vincitveritas3872]

Missed going there on anniversary this year due to Covid. Next year 22nd May at 06.49 I'll pay my respects

[@moragmacgregor6792]

Wait. *Three* trains collided and the troops were bound for *Gallipoli?* Bad day.

[@joselineayikoru2310]

Just subscribed to this channel & am obsessed!!!!

[@dansweet2499]

Hopefully we can get it to grow and have more videos can come out.

[@v.e2035]

The way you present this makes it feel as tragic as it truly was. A very eerie feeling of loss.

[@c.cornetto300]

Yet another awe-inspiring, truly fascinating tragedy. Deadly accidents can be so interesting 🤓

[@Shared-Experiences]

Right. This is like a sophisticated version of "1000 ways to die."

[@jacobsaccount9353]

@@Shared-Experiences who?

[@Shared-Experiences]

@@jacobsaccount9353 it's a cool show that used to come in TV. Remember that time when everyone had cable?

[@bird6439]

I’m gonna be real, I came across your channel less than a week ago and I’ve already binge watched like half your videos. These are like the perfect mini documentaries and I’m so glad you popped up in my recommended!

[@uncreativename3440]

Absolutely loving this content. Your narration and research is impeccable and of excellent quality. Subbed to see more soon! :D

[@MrPete1x]

Thank you for showing this. A documentary with clear spoken words without loud rubbish music spoiling the video.

[@shononoyeetus8866]

Honestly, if I had to choose between being quickly mercy killed in this train crash or staying for days in a shitty trench before probably getting shot anyway, I’d take the train crash

[@susanrobinson910]

Thank you for showing the graphic of what happened. It made it so much easier to follow what was going on.

[@Jimmyismycat]

just found the channel, instantly in LOVE !! Keep it up :D

[@stookinthemiddle]

Wow, I've lived in Edinburgh for a decade and nearby my entire life, visiting Gretna Green often too when travelling down south, and I never knew about this disaster! Great video! (I'm currently binging all your uploads, this is a great wee channel, should have much more subs than it does already!) Keep up the great work!

[@voiceofreason1208]

"Switchman sleeping, train one hundred two, is on the wrong track and a headed for you..."

[@shadowrider9735]

This is the first documentary where I can finally make sense of where all the trains were and what was happening at the signal box at the time - usually I end up losing track of the parts in play (not quite unlike Tinsley, I imagine) and end up confused and or skipping on ahead. Thank you for laying this tragic disaster out simply enough for my scatter-brain to follow along, whilst keeping all the essential details in play.

[@yes24__]

honestly ICONIC channel! can’t wait till you have a million subs!