THE QUINTUPLET KING -- Han Jisung

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[@Amomanondoda09]

always here for jisung appreciation

[@pae7672]

The explanation just makes it better

[@Amy_skz0325]

Greatest rapper fr!

[@idkhbtfzero]

i would love to hear about jisung’s rap evolution because it feels like he’s matured into it so much omg

[@carkpop]

Sure!!! But I will spoil that he does have a lot of his "roots" from early 3racha that he's stuck with stylistically~ You can still hear the similarities from then in his modern sound.

[@idkhbtfzero]

@ oh for sure!! i just want to hear someone tell me all about his sound because he’s probably my favorite kpop rapper!!

[@lad2000]

​@@idkhbtfzeroThanks for requesting for that. I'd also love it❤

[@pae7672]

Bro Jisung loves his job more than I love life....

[@sunshinehannie]

Trueeee

[@comfynihilist]

REAL 😭 his passion is one of the main reasons he'll always be my bias

[@valkyrieuprise5821]

Han Jisung is the GOAT at everything he puts his attention to.. it’s genuinely insane how much passion this guy has for music. Damn inspirational.

[@feonix813]

the thing is, he's not just doing quintuplets, he's doing quintuplets with like accents on every two notes, which is so ???. most of the time, when we see quintuplets, it's more "standard", like RM or Jongseob. but he's doing quintuplets with such a different cadence, it's rlly cool. i believe the only other rapper in k-pop to have done anything like this is Mino? and perchance Zico? and what's crazy is (imo) the flow isn't even the best part. the rhyme scheme and the way he constructs his verse around is just immaculate. Han Jisung 4th gen GOAT

[@lad2000]

@@feonix813 No cos you wouldn't believe me if I told you I'm not okay ever since I heard that rap(the song in general actually). I'm still not over the shock I got when I heard it. He is just CRAZY TALENTED

[@anthonytoo]

I was reading this and thinking Mino until I seen you mentioned haha! Love this, Han is crazy and I didn't realize that until recently.

[@mybiasduality1655]

@@feonix813 the first time i saw him rapping ik he really something. He an amazing singer even my circle from other fandom know his vocals really that good. But I love him as a rapper more. He should drop his solo hiphop tracks once a while. His talents as a rapper just immaculates. Han don’t forget you are a rapper too

[@apxcrypha3516]

YES. I was just about to comment pointing that out. Han is actually ridiculous, somewhat teasing that double quintuplet flow with the full sextuplet (with the same 2 note accents) the bar prior.

[@MorePara8]

​@@mybiasduality1655don't worry, he loves singing but he won't forget about rapping

[@djdjsjskjdnnxsjns]

thank you han jisung we say in unison, bounce back should've been the title track we also say in unison

[@heart5958]

Han Jisung THE GENIUS RAPPER 💥💥 Pure talent!

[@l0velyfl0wer]

I really appreciate people like you who can analyse music so well - like I would never have known how great this makes Han as a rapper if you never explained it! And your explanations are clear so clear to understand

[@lizzieheart709]

1:46 maybe bc I play classical violin and have played it for a 15 years, quintuplets usually are fairly intuitive in a violin piece but the second I think about having to speak in quintuplets, it seems impossible. I’ve tried like you said and it’s insane how much harder it is

[@machinelearner108]

I played classical violin for almost as long as you but can't do quintuplets well 😂

[@lizzieheart709]

@@machinelearner108 it probably just depends on the person, I didn’t used to count when I was younger and would do rhythm entirely by feeling and it’s resulted it my being less structured about these sorts of rhythms and more comfortable shifting back and forth while I’m counting

[@mariapiccioni5974]

THANK YOU for the rhythm lesson I need people to realize just how difficult that flow is, Han Jisung is one cool mf

[@hannie_prince]

The coolest 😎

[@amyw2475]

Okay I'm a Stay and a huge Changbin fan he will always be my favorite kpop rapper because I just love his tone, delivery and the unique little sounds he makes but I would NEVER as a Stay be offended by someone giving Han his props especially since I think that Changbin has been focusing more of the group as a whole than his own growth lately which is okay that's also his job as a producer. But would I love to have a 3Racha album where he focuses more on his own rap. Hell yeah. But Han amazing and I don't know why anyone would complain about you giving him his props the man is amazing.

[@isabelmarcano2761]

I agree. Changbin is my ult and the reason I got interested in skz music, and even though I haven't seen that type of comments I don't understand why some people would undervalue jisung's rap. I also think that Changbin is more focused on the group than himself, and on top of that I've noticed that at least last year, he expressed a few times he wasn't satisfied with his work. But yeah, for me even though everyone loved bounce back, I think stayville hasn't given this rap the recognition it deserves

[@lad2000]

​@@isabelmarcano2761Exactly that. I don't talking about how sick this rap is. They keep talking about other raps that aren't even as crazy as this lmao😂.

[@mishameli]

in han jisung we trust 🙏

[@Amy_skz0325]

Yes! Han Jisung in rankings made by PROFESSIONALS always ranks as the best and most versatile rapper of Stray Kids ❤‍🔥❤‍🔥 Shout-out to mind blowing pure talent 👏👏 Han Jisung you're GOD!

[@MorePara8]

Both Changbin and Han are objectively the best

[@babyboo9658]

It's ok to appreciate Han Jisung. U told the truth dear. Han Jisung is also my favorite & his rap is so smooth & cool. I love his voice

[@vintage8177]

I’m sure you already know this, but just in case…Jisung explained in the Intro video why Bounce Back couldn’t be the title track. I agree that it’s a better song than WOW, but he explained that because of its harsher tone (which I love, by the way) they had to consider their younger audience. Anywho…love your analysis and I love both Jisung and Changbin for their unique qualities and talents. Thank you for highlighting them! Edited: To clarify, I believe the track was toned down because of the younger audience, but was not used as the title track because of the harsher/aggressive nature of the track. Or something like that 😜

[@TheNightxSky]

That's not what he actually meant when he talked about the younger audience... He was talking about bounce back when he said that. He specifically said bounce back was HARSHER than what it is now, that he felt the need to tone the song down considerablly for the younger audience. The reason they most likely chose WOW was because it is more catchy, they do this with all of their title tracks is they pick the catchest song, gods menu, Maniac, case 143, thunderious to name a few.

[@vintage8177]

@@TheNightxSky I watched the Intro video back to clarify….I do see what you’re saying. At about the 9:10 mark Jisung does say they couldn’t go that far with the title track…I believe he was talking about the aggressive nature of the track.

[@kamakazines4901]

Thank you for explaining this! My rap knowledge is rudimentary at best, but I'm always drawn to Han's style of rapping the most. Even without the technical knowledge to explain why, it always SOUNDS like he's playing around with conventions that he has long since mastered, and that kind of swag is so satisfying ❤

[@bella-bu9en]

Same here 😊

[@MsPaint1]

Same, love Bini. AND Jisung deserves his flowers

[@susyfrnco]

Jisung and Changbin are the best of their generation, PERIOD.

[@alii3210]

HAN and Changbin are both GOATS rappers but personally I always loved Han rapping style more and I feel like a lot of people sleep on HAN when he’s hella talented as a rapper his skills are immaculate bro can do anything 😫🔥 I honestly would love to see both of them in RAP:PUBLIC specially HAN bc I know he would kill every single beats ahah + he’s really good at doing freestyle rap too!! Oh also he needs to drop more solo rap songs or even an album at this point ofc I love his melodic singing/rap songs but I desperately need him to do more rap songs bc one song aka I GOT IT is not enough for me😭

[@dkashyap8053]

Han jisung 🔥🔥

[@CaIIistocake]

Never really understood the need for people to establish either Changbin or Jisung at the better rapper. You get two great rappers in one group. How much better can it get? Great analysis by the way

[@lad2000]

Solo stans of course

[@athpn9745]

I think for him it's because every year he always rank every kpop rappers in tierlist, and earlier this year (and I think also last year) he did put jisung above changbin (before that he always put changbin above Han) and I think there's a lot of people that didn't happy with that even when he put his reason in the video. He also once defend jisung from akgae that said that "Han do not deserve to be called an ace because his rap is so basic compared to changbin". I think thats why he feels the need to address that changbin is still a great rapper and his bias eventho he praise and defend Han more lately, even when he put Han higher in his "best rapper tierlist". As he said in this video, there's people that think he is now changbin haters just because of that. Personally, I have seen a lot of time where 'stay' said "Changbin is the only main rapper in stray kids and Han is the lead rapper because Changbin is better than Han", especially when there's newer stay that ask about "who is skz main dancer, who is skz main rapper, who is skz main vocal". And that's not true, bcs both of them deserve to be called main rapper and keep surpassing each others. It's just that recently Han has done more impressive rap, hence his statement.

[@qball1818]

Hannie praise 🤩 ty! I learned a lot and appreciate BB even more now

[@ayunirwani3928]

Bounce Back is a top tier . Thak you to share the explanation. So detail. 🙏🏻👍🏻❤

[@juanfernandez1585]

I love how you break down these raps from K-pop. It's because of you that I got into k-pop rapping! Love you man. Your content is super dope.

[@diakins]

All I understand is that it’s one of the best songs ever! I love the sound of this song!

[@jay_jade94]

They way I'm not really into rap, I don't understand anything about what you're saying but Han made me appreciate rap more and he's my favorite for a reason, this video exaplain the reason, I'm just obsessed with his rapping skills. 6:58 Absolutely agree, he is showing a lot of his skills that's why I still think he's the best in the group, people thinks that Changbin's energy and dark tone is what makes him the best of the best, is not that it's a lot of different things and Han is a lot more versatile that's why I think he's the best.

[@HnLyssie]

Han Jisung Ace

[@rawlin6932]

i have been waiting for this

[@hannie_prince]

The best most talented rapper fr! What a genius 👏🔥🔥

[@iceamericano97]

ACE JISUNG

[@Osato_June]

I am always seated for Han Jisung Appreciation ❤🎉

[@Amomanondoda09]

YES I NEEDED A VIDEO ON THIS

[@r.wy16]

i agree what u said about han and changbin and i would do the same as well put han above cause han has a ability to rap fast and use different flows and even mix them and like u said he is mix of zico and mino i totally agree with that

[@xfsfwn]

As someone who used to play drums in a marching band, i see triplets, quintuplet, septuplets, all those, sht almost EVERY.SINGLE.DAY. And yes, IT IS NOT FCKING EASY especially if u have the broken tuplets 😵😵‍💫 And this is exactly why i love raps in a song piece. I freaking appreciate all these rythms these rappers put out in a song. It's not just about the syllables count or the speed wtsv. It's these details that made it even more MINDBLOWING. Just like percussions are the heartbeat of a music score, raps in a song piece are similar in a way ykno. AND DAMN I JUST LOVE IT 🔥 And thank YOU for explaining all of this to people out there musically, so they could appreciate the track even more than they already did. I KID YOU NOT I WAS AS EXCITED AS YOU ARE WHEN U EXPLAINED THROUGH THIS WHOLE VIDEO. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[@juliaailuj1239]

yes!!!!!! thank you for talking about this

[@liviajordaorodrigues1510]

3:42 OMG, I ALMOST DIED HERE, JISUNG IS SO.... I DONT HAVE ANY WORDS TO DESCRIBE OH-MY-GOD, thats why i stan Jisung lol And man, I really like the way u talk about Han, Changbin and another rappers, so much respect, I appreciate that, thank for explaining this part of Bounce Back and valorizate Hans rap!

[@haveialigned]

ngl it's been disappointing as a Changbin stan to watch his raps fall further and further off, even after he acknowledged he used to rap better and wanted to get back to it. I can't fault him for being more focused on other aspects of keeping the group going, I'm sure it's tough now that they're at this level of fame, but I don't think we're ever getting that Changbin back. The fact that he didn't want to do a 3racha album said it all, in hindsight. Luckily we have Jisung still showing out. I've always agreed with the take that Jisung is technically "better" despite gravitating more towards Changbin's work. Hopefully we'll keep getting great raps from Jisung, even if the duo aspect isn't there anymore

[@peachybaby33]

So real, two things can be true at once! I was wondering when I was going to see people talking about this, it blew my mind hearing him rap it out the first time. Incredible talent!

[@bella-bu9en]

Thank you so much for educating us so that we can appreciate Han more ❤

[@tinahonomichl6547]

Awesome explanation. Thank you so much!

[@americanoch0wa]

I am so thankful for these type of videos bc I really am so uneducated in music and all it conveys, specifically in rapping. But I get to learn a loooot with these videos, thank u!!

[@STAYwithSKZalways]

For me Changbin and Han are amazing rappers and together their are like a bomb. Their are the best rappers of their generation 🔥

[@prmtv]

Ahhhh I love different things about both of them. I dont think I could pick between them 😅 they are on the same tier for me just in different ways. It would be really cool to hear Changbin do multiple quintuplets as well. I think he's been playing around more with different vocal tones this year, which I'm also here for.

[@mavis.riley.johnson]

dude triplets make me want to quit music - i can't even fathom what a quintuplet would sound like. like, i can usually vibe it out but if i saw a quintuplet in a band piece, i think i would cry.

[@Niki_Nader]

Thank you for your explanation❤️

[@riskyriskywiggywiggy6954]

both changbin and han got good flows and talented rappers for real but their recent songs...😭 didn't do them justice. nowadays their songs more like easy to sing for everyone. they focuses on that fair line more cuz stays were annoying bout it. it makes the jewels of the groups, what skz was once known for: hip hop, and strong raps and rappers kinda put aside??? 2018-2021 skz were peak of skz music for me. 22-24 where skz got more popular and got many akgaes that can't accept their faves got lesser lines 😭 they wanted fair lines all the time where it makes their music quality went down so much. coming from a stay since 2018 that stan skz bcz awaken changbin's rap, hellevator rap, the voices rap. mirror rap and many more.

[@haveialigned]

Agree completely

[@zzz7103]

Agree. Rap focused groups always suffer because fans want “fair line distribution” for vocalists/dancers and that puts them in disadvantage. They developed the sound for the group to give other members more lines and that’s weakened their music, because rap made it special. The vocal line is Average at best, so the music have weak vocals and weak and simple rap parts. The complexity is gone, because they try to balance all members lines. I personally do not care about line distribution, if the song hits hard. But many people love their bias more than they love the music of the group. It is common problem in k-pop

[@von1glik]

​@@zzz7103 Their vocals are def not "avg at best". It only feels that way coz they allow the weakest to sing. Seungmin, Han, Chan song with a little spice from Lino and I.N would be fire. They just should do units but titletrack cant have units and the most popular members cant sing and barely mumble a rap. Akgaes would riot if they were in songs as much as they should.

[@SoraiaLMotta]

it is indeed impressive. Not a rapper, newbie musician , but some music styles doing grouping / multiples of 3, like waltz , and 5 are more intuitive to create some groove/ syncopation then 4.

[@qs4029]

I feel like he keeps on evolving and coming out of left field to deliver something new musically seemingly every other month. Bounce back should've been the title track (might be an unpopular opinion but I also feel like get lit and Item hit harder than S-class as tracks though LALALALA was a great title track), and I don't understand why there are so many different versions of Walking on water, the Hip-hop version I get but I honestly hope it's not for chart manipulation purposes, though I don't know how charts operate in Korea. IMO there's a lot of in-fandom hate for Han, because he challenges a lot of peoples bias's for their position, from a technical standpoint, there's only one vocalist better than him, Seungmin, and if he's also a better rapper than CB, as well as getting love for being the one member who is consistently live and stable on stage, getting love for the few dance breaks he has and for Hanpop being so consistently good (even when the title tracks are iffy) and consistently charting with his 0T8 and Solo tracks without streaming efforts or promotions -and all this despite the fact that the man had literally only 3 solo promotions in the first 7 years and was securely chained in JYPE's basement, I'd be pissed too. Like dude is set up to be invisible and fail and yet still prevails on the back of his talent alone. It seems like ANY time he's praised, there's backhanded jokes made or another member just has to be brought up..

[@Mewmein]

If I could favorite your comment, I would 😢

[@lad2000]

​@MewmeinFr. This comment says so much

[@machinelearner108]

Could you expand on how you think Han is set up to be invisible and fail, more so than any other members, except maybe the visuals? IDK but your comment sounds like you think Han is the one and only superior musician in SKZ. I don't see the in-fandom hate for him more than for any other member. He's not a better rapper than Changbin but is considered the same level. I also think your comment about Han-pop being consistently good while title tracks aren't good is kind of disparaging to the works of 3racha and Versachoi because there's a reason those are title tracks. Every member thought they were the best song in that album for the role of title track. You do realise Han worked on the title tracks too right? It sounds like you're blaming Chan and Changbin for worsening the quality of those tracks whereas Han is a better composer?

[@djdjsjskjdnnxsjns]

there's a lot to unpack here but let me just ask in what was releasing more than 1 version of the song is chart manipulation? 😭

[@mavis.riley.johnson]

@@djdjsjskjdnnxsjns the way i see it, releasing multiple versions of a song or album is like throwing a plate spaghetti at a wall and hoping some sticks. it's basically a streaming incentive, and with albums the pcs and stuff are an incentive to buy more albums, increasing the sales and chart performance.

[@j_yyh]

I couldn't wait to see your review of this song!

[@osaruojo8923]

HAN JI SUNG glaze I'm sat

[@giftyokai6536]

Hiiiii just wanted to say i love u and ur videos very muchhhhh

[@Gemini_1970]

Happy reaction ❤❤❤

[@machinelearner108]

If every single Changbin rap and every single Han rap were all made this year, and in a random order, then who would you put as the better rapper? (so basically taking recency and improvement/worsening out of the equation)?

[@MorePara8]

I want to know his answer too

[@anthonytoo]

👏👏👏👏

[@rina-nv5yr]

Damn I love Han! Also I’m studying music theory and learning to compose music so believe me, when I saw this I RAN. Thank you for explaining all this, I do appreciate a good lyrics but rhythm in rap is uncharted territory for me. I definitely should look into it more

[@MorePara8]

Thank you for making this video and appreciating Han Jisung, he's one of the top rappers in kpop and he's one of my favourite too (top 2 of my favourites). I'm happy we got this verse and I love the song in general, my favourite part is this verse + I.N's part before it. But I don't think Han has done more than Changbin in general. Recently? Yes and it's even obvious. But in general, considering everything since pre-debut 3racha? No. I personally think they're on the same level. Matt what do you think about rap in Ultra by Changbin and Mark Lee's rap in his new song with Lee Youngji? I know you don't like Ultra as a song but what about the rap? Edit: Didn't Jongseob also do a quintuplet?

[@carkpop]

Yes, Jongseob & Yechan have both also done quintuplets ^^ But uh ... Ultra is probably changbin's best rap on the album.. still not where I want him to be nor really anything to talk about on it (although maybe I could find something if I gave it a few more listens?). Mark I'm 100% gonna cover in his own video OH MY GOD.

[@MorePara8]

@carkpop oh yeah Yechan I forgot. Yeah I agree on the fact that it's still not where I want him to be but I appreciated the verse. Yesss video on Mark soon, thanks

[@Jeong.in.P1eces_Riize.is.7]

I never realized the JYP in the Background 💀😭

[@starryalpacas]

Every day I pray that Changbin will wake tf up and get on here and DELIVER. Because we know that he's capable of it

[@machinelearner108]

Same. He hasn't been doing so well the past few years. Han overtook him by a huge amount recently. Whereas in past years it's been Han and Changbin roughly equal.

[@Eduplation]

Will they release the original version of “bounce back?”

[@Koji00]

Nobody know but i hope !

[@carkpop]

What's the "original" ver of Bounce Back?

[@Koji00]

@@carkpop Han said (in their INTRO videos of the ALBUM ''HOP'' at 09:01) that the version we have was toned down because it was too aggressive for the audience, we could think it was more aggressive in the lyrics but maybe his flow was also toned down whether it was technically or in its length ? Who knows.

[@Didididid-han]

😳🔥

[@NoopyP]

Bigger Quintuplet King is Paddy, smh Matt you should give him credit

[@ot7276]

Lmao... "do a quintuplets, do a quintuplets" 🎵🎼

[@reina2081]

Not discrediting Changbin, both Changbin and Han are amazing rappers, but Han has always been better. Changbin stands out more to some because of his distinct tone and fast rapping but Han's versatility/ability is very underrated. There's a reason Han won against Changbin in their rap battle.

[@carkpop]

I think Changbin was doing much more intricate raps technique wise during the early to mid years of SKZ, but Han’s always been right there with him. Saying Han’s “always been better” is a bit of a sly towards Binnie cause they’ve always been nearly interchangeable at the very least.

[@mariapiccioni5974]

Really disagree, you cannot listen to the first years of Stray Kids and 3racha music and come out with that conclusion

[@machinelearner108]

Are you talking about the pre-debut rap battle? Han won because he is better at freestyle than Changbin and that was a free-style battle.

[@reina2081]

@machinelearner108 yes and imo the best rappers can freestyle

[@reina2081]

@mariapiccioni5974 I've been a fan since the beginning. Yes that is my conclusion

[@stillastrayyayayaya]

Hey, I know this is controversial at the moment. But could you please address the plagiarism allegations about Stray Kids' "Walking on Water"? Could you musically deconstruct the specific part in the song that is considered similar to Kim Taehyung's "Jump" verse? I would really appreciate a musician's perspective on it since there are so many people saying different things.

[@carkpop]

You don't need to musically deconstruct anything. Kpop fans (in every fandom) misuse the term "plagiarism". Music is built on being inspired by something, and twisting it into your own song. Hear a cool rhythm? Melody line? Chord progression? .. etc? You then use it in a song of your own with your own taste to it. You steal/borrow from artists who've come before you. It's beyond normal in Jazz, Metal, classical, etc ... "Plagiarism" is only an effective description when there's a blatant copy of a song. Like literally one for one copying everything about something. I think anyone who listens between Jump & WoW can hear the differences with a similar structure at that part. Did SKZ get inspired by that part of the song because they liked it? Did SKZ & BTS both get inspired for that sound from another song that we don't know about? Did they happen to sound similar by chance? Idk it could be any of those but "Plagiarism" is a grossly misused term amongst kpop stans.

[@stillastrayyayayaya]

@carkpop omg thank you for taking out the time to respond to my comment! I really appreciate your comment because it does ease my fears I had about all of this. I guess all the slander and hate was getting to me. As a dedicated STAYARMY since 2021, I didn't want to see another "plagiarism" allegation ruin the reputation of another hardworking and talented group. So thank you once again!