The "Race Debate" in America Today | Glenn Loury & John McWhorter at Harvard [The Glenn Show]

[@terence4427]

As an African American, I am so proud of Glenn and John because there is honor in the truth.

[@MsStonge]

@Jo Jo, Thank you for only proving John McWhorter right when he states this- " Yet blacks there cluster at the very bottom of the school, and black students report that they come up against the “acting white” charge whenever they try to excel. One girl interviewed there knuckled under to this teasing and saw her grades plummet, while white students interviewed talked about how, in many of their cliques, doing well in school was “cool.” You are literally bullying Terence because he is an independent thinker outside of what you think and or believe.

[@terence4427]

@@MsStonge. Thank you so much for your comment. :)

[@rodrigorodrigues5510]

Jo Jo he spends so much time talking about it because everyone on the left wants to talk about it.

[@rodrigorodrigues5510]

Jo Jo why does the writer love white supremacy?

[@omnibusification]

McWhorther... I can listen to him for days. So thankfull to have discovered him.

[@9w9w42]

Listened to *both* Harvard presentations, & I concur that this one was even better than the first. It's not that I assume Glenn & John are infallible, but rather that I find them honest, & worthy of being heard & taken seriously. (They've become, for me, an ongoing & addictive pleasure.)

[@pderitis]

Phillip Mullen I have just discovered these two great minds, and I simply cannot get enough of them!

[@delailama736]

@Jo Jo I think it feeds into the racist picture that ends up with a black man being a professor of economics at an elite university like Brown. "White supremacy" doesn't seem so bad when black people can end up in the highest, most powerful positions in society.

[@delailama736]

@Jo Jo I am being sarcastic. You aren't white supremacist if you have blacks in the upper echelons.

[@SuperWilliamholmes]

@James Gray I bet you're a white guy who knows better than two black PHD professors from the Ivy League on the subject of race and affirmative action. Typical liberal. Glen Loury talks about how the white liberals can't back off and let black people take charge of their own lives. They continue to insist that blacks can't survive or flourish without their help. They've been doing this since 1969 and the damage was done with the implementation of affirmative action.

[@TheBlackKowboy]

Glenn and John continue to address subjects with a depth that few do and I should also say with a courage that few have. Those of us who are black and share similar views generally are attacked by black and white leftist as sellouts, Uncle Toms, or self-haters when the reality is we care deeply for and about the progress of black Americans. More and more black men and women are joining the voice of Glenn and John on issues of race in America. I for one think it's past time but happy that it's occurring now. Thank you both for your wonderful thought-provoking insights.

[@Lucypetuniaggm]

TheBlackKowboy you’re spot on. Not only depth, but clarity. I would love to see Al Sharpton and others of his ilk (try to) debate these two.

[@playnejayne5550]

There is a difference between feeling good about feeling bad and oppressed and visualizing a better world and taking steps to get there. People are stuck in attitudes and policies that made sense in 1965, when the game has changed.

[@jimmylemessurier332]

As usual these two men knock it out of the park.

[@Lucypetuniaggm]

John McWhorter: “recreational anger” ... what a perfectly descriptive phrase for what are seeing among the far left on virtually every issue.

[@Malignus68]

I agree!

[@firstlast-cs6eg]

The same can be said of the right too though. And Mcwhorter isn't a republican, at least not the current model. For example, he doesn't seem to like Trump.

[@kstats8243]

Good one. I, too, noticed it. It is what we have done to gleefully label folks who partake in virtue signaling with blind fervor without acknowledging the historical context of the cause/Justice they are pushing. SJWs are so good at inducing cringe and at times laughter for me. Maybe it’s just me.

[@kstats8243]

@A Dude Enlighten us, please

[@csahewitt]

Is this recreational police anger? kzbin.info/www/bejne/omLUqKF_g7iSn8k

[@AaronVriesman]

Thank you professors! Saving these points for later reference. Glenn Loury's chart on applicants to Harvard by race 20:33. Chart on admissions to Harvard by race 21:48. John McWhorter ...on reparations 27:30. ...on welfare as reparations 29:30 ...on how academics show no empirical engagement with race history and problems of black America 33:05. ...on how agitation gained civil rights and it has carried through 36:40 ...on how welfare reform transformed black communities 38:19 "aimlessly recreationally angry" 44:50 ...on how we are trained to think about race based on emotion, advocacy and identity that does "not help poor black people in any way" 45:23 by people who are not interested in any actual change 46:35 John McWhorter on solutions that would actually help 52:21

[@LiViro1]

These two guys definitely have the power to change my opinion, and that's a good thing. I now feel I have much more in common with people like them and Coleman Hughes (and Thomas Sowell++) than I used to. Mainly because I've *thought* more about the issues now, and not just *felt* about them ...

[@karenfornwalt9235]

Excellent presentation by Glenn Loury &John McWhorter. I would like to see this conversation in the wider public sphere. It's incredibly important, and my 'common' sense tells me your ideas might cause a bit of controversy initially. I think you're onto something huge

[@chaosmos24]

These two are the primary reason I keep coming back to bloggingheads.tv

[@chaosmos24]

@Henry Nice casual racism. Don't bother addressing any of their arguments or making one of your own. Dismissing them as an old racist trope is what passes for meaningful discourse, right?

[@chaosmos24]

@Henry That's actually not a fact, but feel free to make the argument. A bare assertion doesn't constitute one.

[@libertywilly7519]

Your points as usual Professor Loury are impossible to miss.

[@robertbarr6954]

Amen

[@KatiaRoberts]

I just can't get enough of listening to John McWhorter.

[@kenelliott4872]

I love you guys. I wish I was hearing what Glenn and John are saying by ONE of the candidates for president.

[@katana1960]

Good argument. Unfortunately, if this was two white men saying the EXACT SAME THING, they would not have been allowed to speak. They would have been labeled racist. These are strange times that we live in.

[@Super-Sheepy]

True I noticed there were alot less SJWs protesting outside

[@kstats8243]

Great discussion. Agreed. The double standard. Herein lies the black privilege, in this case, a positive effect of such privilege for spewing objective, reasonable views. They are right, what ails the black community is a lot more complex than just the often-shouted slavery and more slavery and systemic racism, Police brutality, etc. the reparations according to Prof John, sure, we could try with $$ reparations, but where does it end? Does this mean the white folks who have nothing to do with slavery or any institutionalized racism, is “off the hook”? The hook that they weren’t on in the first place. What gives? Does this $$ = modern “40 acres and a mule” enough to clear the white people’s name? Does this exonerate the white guilt? I cringe and deeply saddened by those who claim to be oppressed today by racism. We are not in the 60s. So delusional. Heather Mac Donald is another voice (a white one) worth listening to about the delusion that is diversity

[@Super-Sheepy]

@@kstats8243 I agree with the reperations, I am from a country that never had slaves but if anything could have been a slave. I have no desire for reperations but hey who dosent want free money? But would I have to give money to a person based on their colour even if they were not children of a slave? It's a nice idea but highly flawed

[@peacheskong2245]

White people who do research and give talks like this concerning white people would be labelled a soy or sjw and just written off. Why is that? Why is it necessary to make that comparison?

[@RonHallKungFuBro]

That is exactly why the white establishment has enlisted black men to do their bidding.

[@nathandonovan3874]

I was discouraged that no one brought up the issue in McWhorter's initial argument of where the line gets drawn between distinguishing reparation policies with general social policy. He made the argument initially that reparations had already happened because of 1) affirmative action, 2) Community Re-Investment Act, and 3) Broadening the scope of welfare. Point #1 seems like a sound argument, but 2 and 3 seem to bend more toward social policy rather than reparative policy. Overall great talk, though. I listen to these two on Loury's podcast often, and I really enjoy their intellectual exchanges.

[@nathandonovan3874]

@Jo Jo I wasn't saying those were actual reparations, I was merely saying that that was McWhorter's claim. My question to him was where does the distinguishing line fall between a policy that's reparative and one that's just social policy? He never clarified that argument, but implied in his conversation that such a line does exist.

[@nathandonovan3874]

@Jo Jo Again, my comment was specifically about what McWhorter was saying. I was interested in where HE thought the line was drawn between what is considered a reparation and what is considered general social policy. At no point in my original comment did I ever state or claim what *I* considered to be reparations or what I even thought of the matter. I'll just ignore your part of your comment calling me a racist. That's just beyond ridiculous and hyper-trollish. If you want to have an actual nuanced discussion about reparations, though, I'm all ears.

[@nathandonovan3874]

@Jo Jo My apologies.

[@prenuptials5925]

I was screaming in cheer at my TV when John said "end the war on drugs". There has never been in recent history a bigger waste of time and resources, for little to no results. Holy shit, why this is still going on is absolutely beyond me.

[@AMikeStein]

No one wants to come out and admit that it was a waste because that would mean that the us government is fallible. That’s why I think a lot of states are slowly legalizing at least pot and the stigma of drug addicts is very slowly going away when you look at addiction a little differently.

[@playnejayne5550]

Five minute shorts of the best segments should be posted for those with short attention spans. Prager University shows how. These guys need to be more influential.

[@Dash277]

It's not that people don't care, it's that they can not face this problem honestly as Glenn does.

[@larryjake7783]

I agree

[@russelld2925]

Glen at his best.

[@exponent8562]

Loved the talk, just wish it was 3x longer.

[@enshrinehd]

This is such exciting stuff......it makes me feel hopeful

[@hillwin10]

Hold on -- I need to go "pop some popcorn" for this one. Very excited!

[@Naberius359]

Did you use quotes because you're not popping popcorn? Kinda weird.

[@hillwin10]

@@Naberius359 I utilized quotations in order to emphasize a well known phrase. No, I was not actually popping popcorn.

[@Naberius359]

@@hillwin10 Quotation marks do a bit more than emphasize. They cast doubt on the action: Can you believe Betty when she said her and Steven only "watched Netflix" on their first date? That's why your usage is a bit strange. It's like, are you popping popcorn or not? If not, are you truly excited for this video? Etc.

[@hillwin10]

@@Naberius359 Well, perhaps you are more well versed than I am -- I work in the sciences. I apologize. It is just my casual style of writing.

[@davidking7344]

@@Naberius359 I totally agree with your tips on accurate usage of quotation marks but it seems a little excessive for a random comment on KZbin haha

[@harryn3690]

“That has to be celebrated lustily, looking America in the eye.” Must we celebrate it lustily? Call me old-fashioned, but I want America to buy me dinner and flowers before that.

[@adamsmith3413]

The Great Society programs are the equivalent of a banquet and the Rose Bowl parade.

[@williamjmccartan8879]

As I said in the subject line of the email I sent my niece on the video, intelligent people discussing a difficult topic intelligently. Well done gentlemen

[@malkeh53]

"Word salad"... Good one, aimed at the likes of Michael Eric Dyson

[@anthonygeorge9932]

Great minds speaking truths. That is why they are not given mainstream exposure.

[@edwardobrien8930]

I love that McWhorter used this forum to plug phonics. Of course, he is right. It's a better way to learn how to read. It's uncontroversial and might make a significant difference.

[@galaxytrio]

This is spectacular reasoning and public speaking, and bears repeated watching.

[@TheyCalledMeT]

it's impressive and fascinating how civil, constructive and reasonable those talks can be. the sad side of it .. imagine how it would play out if the same words and arguments would be brought up by a white person.. keep up the good fight, love your content!

[@valencia4215]

As usual with Glenn and John - great job!

[@paweex3655]

Epic

[@cypheir]

I would also like to add that, as a pre-med at UCSD, my adviser was a black female pediatrician... During a student meeting, she asked us "do we need more medical professionals of "color" and would they be able to serve black patients better." I said no, we need good, well trained and educated doctors who are there to help people. She corrected me that black doctors could service black patients better than a white doctor could due to cultural reasons, and having less black doctors was a disservice to the black community for this reason. Sadly, this is one major reason I quit trying to be in medicine, I didn't feel like I belonged. Woke people will not be happy with this... but I've been fucked over by affirmative action... so thanks for this. How long until women start making the same claim, I wonder... edit: I wonder if there is a better way to get cultural diversity in somewhat homogeneous work place populations without forcing lower preforming individuals into them?

[@pderitis]

/\'Cypheir I am a woman (obviously ha ha) and I will never make the kind of claim your former medical “professional” did. I have a male general practitioner, he has always taken good care of me and served me well over the years. I have a male gynecologist, he has served me well over the years and always taken good care of me. End of.

[@csahewitt]

Foolishness - affirmative action benefits women, people with disabilities, veterans and any minorities. The current law is not designed to be specific to black people. www.dol.gov/general/topic/hiring/affirmativeact

[@robintropper660]

LOVE IT .... "at the expense of my people" AND at the expense of my people too and at the expense of other peoples and at the expense of getting us all to live together in harmony and mutual appreciation!!!!!!

[@robintropper660]

@Jo Jo : more than 50 miles? For that matter, how about going as far as Congo or Somalia? .... listen to what they are actually saying. Yes, there are serious and dangerous trouble-makers out there: there ARE ALSO people of every description doing everything in their power to stop the madness brought on by looking at the colour of someone's skin before getting to know them.

[@elspeth8476]

So how do we support black American kids and families and help the kids to become achievers? This is way worse than I ever would have guessed. It is depressing.

[@pdumpsterful]

How? Kids need good parents and need taught well and then they can achieve anything they want

[@firstlast-cs6eg]

58:15 But that uncomfortableness is exactly why we need to avoid segregation. People need to get use to each other to avoid being prejudice against each other. I would be more OK with charter schools if they were truly profit free. Hard cap on administrator pay. Limits on advertisement. And I do believe schools should be near where students live. Kids spending hours on buses is not good on multiple levels.

[@joshfranklin9941]

There are no better commentators on racial issues today than Loury & McWhorter.

[@pdumpsterful]

Thomas sowell is brilliant

[@lewiscullen8312]

Excellent presentation, thanks!

[@robertryan1663]

Absolutely superb presentation. In the school my children attended the vast majority of the students we're already reading in kindergarten. This was because their parents took it upon themselves to give their children this advantage. Someway somehow this has to happen for all children regardless of their economic status.

[@PlainsPup]

1:18:00 - Yes! By all means, study issues pertaining to black people or any other group. But why specifically in an "African American Studies" department? Do it in Political Science, Economics, Literature, etc. Great point.

[@geangarcia2673]

Great discussion 🎉

[@bubblybubbles9052]

The biggest issue currently is how black people view the world. They see racism everywhere and in every one... Black people currently seem to have the most hate in their heart/racism out of any ethnic group I have spoken with...

[@pdumpsterful]

This is because of the Democrats and the media and what they have been taught. Its despicable! The Democrats play the race card because they can't win the white vote

[@firstlast-cs6eg]

The issue is, charter schools can be sort of for profit, which means part of tax payer money goes to advertising and administration in a much more disproportional relationship compared to public schools. Also unlike buying a product, kids can't just easily switch schools when it shows to be failing. I believe you should address public schools that aren't doing well. But if you got the band-aid of charter schools, that seems less likely, not more.

[@jeffyboyreloaded]

i think you can make the case that Harvard's admission policies aligns with market demand for their graduates, more specifically since organizations are scrambling to hire credentialed, well educated black grads to drive "diversity", it's in Harvard's interest to be producing black grads to meet this demand and thus further their brand by having alum at top firms and institutions

[@csahewitt]

That's frankly not true. Companies may hire minorities, but that has nothing to do with actual black americans (i.e. non-immigrants). The diversity push in corporate america is focused on women - period. I know, I talk to boards of directors, c-suite individuals, HR managers etc, in my work role, and the focus is on WOMEN, in large part because women (largely white women) are demanding equity. Black folks have no advocates and no receptive ears towards our claims for equity. You, for instance, would be a good example of a non-receptive ear.

[@MElixirDNB]

excellent talk, thank you all so much! Wish more people could watch this and take a break from their incredibly irrational bs

[@hjpev6469]

"Recreational anger" Man, that is such a good term.

[@carlgottstein]

This is great...

[@streglof]

Isn't affirmative action incredibly demeaning? What you're basically saying is "well, since you're black, you can't be expected to do as well as us whiteys" that's not encouragement, that's DIScouragement.

[@ivandate9972]

this will heard for a long time

[@marksoldiers230]

Make Mechanical Engineering your college major and you won't have to worry about affirmative action. The soft studies (sociology, history, literature) you can fake. Mechanical engineering can't be faked -- you have to have the right stuff to comprehend it and learn it.

[@Lucypetuniaggm]

I just had a flash. Public schools are failing our children. The statistics on those - particularly blacks - graduating without basic reading skills is horrifying. I know we had the Headstart program a while back, but from what I’ve read it wasn’t effective. The fact that phonics enabled McWhorter’s daughter to read at age 3 really struck me. What if children at that age were mentored one-on-one using the phonics program?

[@Ilumiflow]

Thank God for the precious few well examined champions of individual sovereignty, autonomy and dignity for all. Regardless of any arbitrarily chosen metric,these principles are primary to upholding the idea of universal freedom. In order to uphold these principles one must not transgress them. Therefore Freedom should be self-perpetuating if well enough understood. For anyone of conscience, their is a mandate to promote the necessity of non-violence and the need to abandon Primal motivations toward conflict as any viable means to an end. If you would please humor this last Refuge. I have to imagine a benevolence underlying things , I would hope this Force would like to help us with this now. I would petition for gentle hands but thundering feet in regards to this enlightenment!

[@RohgishSun]

when is someone going to start assessing the factor that the children themselves have no personal investment and interest in being a part of a system that they know by grade 3 despises their existence? these children can do the test, they can do the work but they'd rather disregard all of it because they have no interest within it. These children have the inevitable self-worth interest of not being a part of something that doesn't respect them the same as you who're on the panel had back in the 60s and the 70s...it was your generation that permitted the United States to place a Band-Aid over your indignant rage and now the wound has seeped through... and because we've been watching your failed assimilation tactics...now you're trying to find ways for these children to reconnect themselves to A system that they can clearly see does not value them.🤨 these children cannot merely be handed degrees, jobs, or access to colleges for them to quell their subconscious inadvertent attempt to install a self defined respect of their humanity, to merely become another tertiary citizen acting like they're on primary status.

[@laertesindeed]

@EB Children don't have any fucking idea what a system is in grade 3.... least of all the false narrative that you place there. Nor do successful people of all races become successful because as a child they think a system values them......that is ridiculous. Frequently, the most successful people were not valued as children and they applied themselves anyway, applied their will, overcame the challenges themselves, earned their success.

[@SuperWilliamholmes]

@@mxiivx7610 Glen Loury calls this "the soft Bigotry of low expectations" and it's on display right here by white liberals like the one above who still think it's up to them to save black people. Unfortunately the story this bleeding heart portrays is false, but is adopted and driven into kids as soon as they can understand what is being said on TV and social media. Can you imagine telling a kid they can never succeed and that they are hated by white people? It's fucking disgusting. It make same feel sad. Then you drill into them a righteous contempt for The United States of America and the American flag and tell them that every institution from grade school to government is against them because of their color. Can you imagine telling children this? And it's exactly what their families (in many cases) and white liberals tell them. And wonder why they don't do well. Glen Loury talks about fathers being in the household and the dignity of making it on your own steam as the two biggest factors of success in life for black kids. Do you think Glen's father and mother told him that shit? What about Shelby Steele? John McWhorter? Rohgish Da Buildmonger must not have kids or realize that motivation comes from the nurturing of parents and the fostering of discipline and motivation. The thought that a young black elementary student has given up by second grade because of the crushing blow of white establishment disdain is preposterous. This is the kind of ridiculous shit that is perpetuated by woke white liberals who have been baptised into the religion of antiracism and all other insane leftist identity politics.

[@mstrred76]

Brilliant.

[@JOHN----DOE]

AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS REPARATIONS. Exactly. For women as well as minorities. And look what women have done with reparations--outperformed men academically, because they worked like dogs and didn't assume they could get away with mediocrity. Time to step up to the same standard.

[@EBM4545]

We should put these two smart gentlemen on all of the Democratic Presidential debates or at least let them be the moderators.

[@larryjake7783]

Oh god yes...I want all of the democrats to answers to this intelligence

[@subhenduc]

In the two charts showing reading levels by ethnicity, both shows date from 2005. Is that a mistake?

[@markballard1515]

Here's the problem with welfare being reparations. One, assuming we're in a zero sum game, wealth is relevant. You can't offer something to everyone if it's purpose is to allow one group to bridge the gap. Two, welfare is only available to those who are unemployed or underemployed. One would have to forego employment to receive it.

[@davidjfesta]

0-25minutes: enlightenment with an intellectual shotgun surgeon.

[@DeRocco21]

the racial equity debate will have to comport with constitutional equal protection and anti discrimination laws/supreme court rulings

[@sydneyhall1702]

Prof Loury i think you are starting to see the light.

[@johnbarnesNnaptown]

So what Glenn Loury is a member of The Council on Foreign Relations. That doesn't mean anything.

[@globalfamily8172]

Antiempirical - I was looking for that word.

[@oo88oo]

16:00 Loury is reading the graph wrong. The graph does show, however, in support of his argument, that White Rejects scored better than Black Admits, which is ridiculous. (Loury seems to be confusing the Black Rejects distribution for the Black Admits one.)

[@buddyacesmxbc1055]

Why is there always an emergency on black topics and not any other's?

[@jpsaverino]

Harvard moderators have excellent taste in IPA. Go Michigan beer.

[@CMDUrbanTactics]

I can't respect a 1 sided presentation without any cogent, qualified opposition present. Any social scientist could shoot many of their statistical summations up to resemble Swiss Cheese.

[@CMDUrbanTactics]

@ZoSo221 ignoring statistical facts presented by the opposition in place if accepting falsehoods makes you willfully ignorant.

[@CMDUrbanTactics]

@@williamh5780 being intellectually lazy never advanced any agenda or life. Try reading some books when you leave the trailer park.

[@SuperWilliamholmes]

@@CMDUrbanTactics John McWhorter debated PHD professor Nikhil Singh for over an hour. Look into it. And you could start by telling us just what these two black professors are wrong about, exactly. I bet you're white.

[@CMDUrbanTactics]

@@SuperWilliamholmes it's not MY responsibility to educate you. Try to rely of books at the very least over KZbin. You might learn something one day.

[@SuperWilliamholmes]

@@CMDUrbanTactics I'd say that too if I didn't know shit about what I was talking about! LOL

[@russell6011]

If you argue that culture A needs to be represented in X company based on affirmative action by lowering the standards of admission to the job and then you dont point out that if these individuals are succeeding in these jobs once granted access, you are intentionally being dishonest for your own political agenda. Also, if you show that these "less qualified" individuals can still succeed at these careers if just given the opportunity, it dismantles your ivory tower that you believe you have to graduate from or have a background from in order to succeed in these careers. And I mean culture, not race, because one is cultural the other is biological. There's no such thing as a culture of race because no one race is unified under that cultural value. Its a category error. However, if you are using affirmative action to be forced to hire from more cultural and genetic diversity because on paper everyone was no different in ability, then that's just good policy because its human nature to promote your own team so you need policies to counteract human nature.

[@FarahA27]

I have a question: Do one of you two believe that there is only one race: the human race? And that we are all differing shades of melanin?

[@kiorde]

indeed, very interesting

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

substantive choice for God's federal hegemony of free will kingdom

[@stefanmittler8458]

Allways a pleasure listening to these two gentlemen. Both of them much smarter than I am. Yet every time they fail to adress the elefant in the room. It is the low average IQ, stupid!

[@TomGrey56]

PHONICS - yes! It's insane that teachers don't teach kids how to read using phonics. Most important single skill in school, and too few poor, especially poor black kids, are being taught with phonics, how to read. AA in college is a failure partly because of K-6 failure to teach kids to read, by not using phonics.

[@laertesindeed]

@Tom To be honest....I think phonics is also a mistake. Not quite as bad as sight-reading where you have to memorize an entire full word.....although I don't know anybody who does that other than dyslexics. But rather....learn to read by going one letter at a time. Don't skim, don't skip, don't assume some letter might be there without looking.....mentally acknowledge each and every letter and how it would sound, how it would sound while next to another letter, how it should sound differently because of context, etc. Learn root words, learn prefixes, learn suffixes, learn historical events that caused some words to be borrowed and incorporated into the language you are reading and therefore why it should sound different to what you expect. To borrow from the video.......learn how to pronounce "riposte" and so many other words.

[@Malignus68]

53:30 I disagree that *_any_* kind of voluntary contraception would make much difference. America has made baby-making a career choice. No baby, no paycheck.

[@cr35t23]

United Airlines just announced today that passengers should expect to die as they will now hire based on race. Expect planes to fall from the sky.

[@sailorforlifebestti3366]

Good thing they have two sided debate though. SMH

[@sailorforlifebestti3366]

@rxp56 I guess they need a safe space. I can understand.

[@natjohanssen2909]

These guys are great. As an educator, though, I'd like to add some points based on my experience. Where are the schools that don't teach phonics? Phonics is only part of a broad language acquisition approach. Next, school districts vary in their requirements, and within that, schools, but there is a broad problem of incompetent principals and APs. Not that there aren't some good ones out there, but too many are on a power trip, treating their schools as their own little fiefdoms, abusing their power, putting their interests above those of students and mistreating teachers. They make impossible demands and provide too little resources. They do not implement programs such as PBIS and Restorative Justice with fidelity or they completely misinterpret them to mean students can get away with murder, including abusing fellow students and teachers. But at least they're bringing in that Title 1 money. They don't understand the way special education is supposed to work and end up wasting valuable resources. Then, there is culture. America as a nation does not value education. It is valued even less in poverty stricken areas. Identity politics is making it worse. Charter schools are a slippery slope rife with opportunities for fraud. Private charters are in the game of privatizing all education. The problem is not teachers or their unions. Education has become big business, except for the students and teachers. There ARE ways to make schools better.

[@stefanmittler8458]

Glenn Loury & John McWhorter are smart people.They really know how to dance around the elephant in the room. Or did I miss anybody mentioning "average IQ"?

[@pderitis]

Stefan Mittler they didn’t directly address it here, but they did an entire long video about it on the bloggingheads channel.

[@shreyaskumar5695]

Can someone explain the racial preference in law school graph?

[@fanOmry]

Same grades. Different standards.

[@boatygatling4782]

Good to see this discussion taking place. Unfortunately the genetic argument for the performance gap continues to prove itself as time moves on. Blaming the majority of this problem on the "environment" is getting old.

[@GoldieTamamo]

Maybe you should team up with the autistics and asperger's syndrome sufferers, and board the topic of improving cognitive development, disembark from making this a matter of tribe, and make it a matter of neuroscience.

[@boatygatling4782]

Praise be Adler and his work on Individual Psychology but I fear the next advancement of cognitive enhancement rests in CRISPR. With a complacent West suffering from a gradual decline in IQ may we pray that such advancements come sooner than later.

[@GoldieTamamo]

@@boatygatling4782 Psh, here's hoping we can get anywhere with Crispr-Cas9, it's going to be quite the game of ethical Twister implementing it in humans. Perhaps China forces our hand and comes to the rescue with some unforeseen discovery. I'd just as happily gene-edit the shit out of myself and discard the concept of race, if I had the luxury to do it of my own accord with my own specifications, rather than as part of some creepy eugenics initiative.

[@jeffyboyreloaded]

bro I would've gotten into Harvard easily if they only looked at SAT score...1480 and black and I would only have needed a 1250 according to this

[@kstats8243]

Jeff Otieno damn you should receive an honorary degree. Serious though, that is a good score and I hope you were able to go far with that. SAT was a bitch to me.

[@badnomad357]

Wow! Not a talk to follow just listening in the background. Also not too great to follow reading graphs on a phone screen but very impressive information.

[@StremmeR]

One wersd thing rtd you dont do esd with a mic xsd one your table trfd is hammer gfd it ol; after nearly opl'; each l';/ word sda. just like you dont do that on a keyboard, thank you.

[@teepee431]

Show the audience for god's sake.

[@doctorich]

Why? Most people are probably just listening to the audio.

[@sheikha6]

One sided debate. These brothers are dishonest.

[@yuehhtewbb427]

The only race debate in america is how fast i can race out of this failure of a country and go to poland or russia.

[@yuehhtewbb427]

The good countries in the world don't let americans in.

[@yuehhtewbb427]

These countries have a future, America doesn't.

[@pdumpsterful]

Blame the Democrats. They are flooding our country with illegals turning us into a third world hellhole

[@jlangfitt1]

So Dr Loury's solution is ........?. Am I wrong but if we follow what he advocates then a place like harvard would consist entirely of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese? Is that really a desirable outcome. He talks of "inadequate human developement" so does he advocate devoting a majority of resources to improving schools and teachers and kids having money for lunch and supplies. Ah but that would be unfair also even if historically the exact opposite has been true.

[@jlangfitt1]

@Kytsche I wish you hadn't called me a clown but if it makes you feel better or superior well that's what youtube is for.. I heard John McWhorter make 3 specific suggestions. Maybe you can boil Glen suggestions down one sentence.

[@jlangfitt1]

@Kytsche I just didn't hear a half dozen suggestions. Dr Loury talked for the first 25 minutes and at the end as much as says I don't have the answers but I do know the right questions. I'm 70 and in my lifetime I've seen a great amount of progress with substantial movement of a large percentage of black people up the economic ladder and with that come all sorts of good things. Reorientation of thinking just doesn't seem that clear. I would favor beside Dr. McWhorter's good ideas as far as I know about them, a concentration of educational resources, recruiting and paying well the best teachers, trying some creative ideas whether in charter or public systems, and expecting people to take personal responsibility. This is all going to cost a lot of money so money should be devoted to this rather than the current situation where the richest areas get to spend a majority portion of the money.

[@thedchen]

Ah, but what would be undesirable about that?

[@PianoMeSasha]

you can tell what economic class John is in when he talks about "where your gonna send ur kids to camp."

[@SuperWilliamholmes]

Sending your kids to camp isn't a luxury of the rich. John worked incredibly hard for a long time to get where he is. Are you disqualifying his opinion because he's not underprivileged? And you spelled "you're' wrong. It's best to spell correctly when trying to discount someone's relevance.

[@aipkjbf]

If you actually care about the substantive development of african americans, you ought to support eugenic programs.

[@sydneyhall1702]

Mr. Loury: Why do you always talk about admission to elete colleges when you talk about AA? Didn't President Lyndon Johnson speak at Howard University and commit millions of dollars to that college as part of AA? Are you against government support for HBCU's? Dont you know that without AA as an issue you wouldn't have a job and be sitting there getting paid to talk about it? Why dont you speak at Howard University instead of always talking to whites at elete Universities? So you disagree with Prof Henry Gates about AA?

[@roothogordie1451]

*sigh* Go to your state school, get a scholarship. Excel at something useful. Be an American. Eschew "eletism". It's not for the likes of you or me.

[@plezworld5758]

Most “debates” have at least 2 opposing views. Although, Loury & McWhorter are very smart and offer cogent arguments for their views (re: affirmative action & reparations), the audience missed an opposing viewpoint. Absent the opposition, both of their arguments are mere Black-face pablum from the white supremacist playbook and fall on deaf ears from those who’d benefit from this very important dialogue. Neither of them acknowledged the role of affirmative action in bolstering their lofty roles at elitist Ivy League universities!

[@jayhall4214]

What! Are you trying to say that affirmative action was just compensation for 400 years of slavery living in heilish circumstances like an endless Saw movie?

[@IamThatDude]

Affirmative action is NOT equal in education, the way it is in jobs. Using a masters program to make the point is insane. How about regular jobs? He build his point in an outlier. #Fail

[@donjohnson8255]

More puppets

[@perezmoore4333]

More puppets? You are a complete idiot. As usual, you and your type bring nothing to this debate.