The Rarest Cymbals in the World with Gerry Porter (Hazelshould) - EP 218

Gerry Porter deals in the finest drums and cymbals in the world at hazelshould.com, and he shares his immense knowledge of ultra-rare, famous, and valuable cymbals with us in this unique episode! We talk about what makes the Istanbul K's so rare and sought-after, the power of a celebrity owned cymbal (Tony Williams, John Bonham, Roy Haynes), and rare cymbals that aren't just the usual suspects, such as hi-hats, splashes, and crashes that you should be on the hunt for! Gerry also gives us the scoop on what he thinks is the next thing in the drum world that will blow up in value and be a collectors item.
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[@jasonzerafa8784]

Got a pair of 60s new beats from Gerry, never buying cymbals anywhere else again. You’re the man Gerry!

[@Drumguy48]

Gerry is The Man - a pleasure to do business with . He gets the best cymbals and prices them very fairly

[@DAGDRUM53]

Good drummers know when not to play. Bart knows when not to talk. In this world both are rare.

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

Thanks man, I appreciate that

[@davewestner]

The Low Boy conversation reminded me of a dear departed friend of mine, Billy Conway, who was using one towards the end of his career. No hi-hat at all, just the Low Boy. He didn't miss having hats too much as I recall. He was pretty unconventional. He also had the hole on his bass drum on the batter side. Totally worked.

[@raykingstonmusic]

A Hazelshould interview!! Awesome! Gotta love Olive Garden...

[@camerondean6804]

This is my favorite guest you've had on. I love both shows he's been on, especially the sleeper show. Please have him on another dozen times.

[@fepatton]

I love this. I haven’t bought an acoustic drum kit since 1982, but I keep buying cymbals! My latest is from a couple of weeks ago - 13” K/Z combo hi-hats from a local used shop. They’re fantastic!

[@eucabusas]

Hazelshould is my go to channel when I want to check the sounds of hardly recorded Mehmets!

[@mario7frankielee]

ps.i found in my stuff a old 602 20“paiste flatride & a pair of 602 15“ hi-hat completely forgot i had them! they really sound like from a other time

[@drumdiscussion7776]

This is truly amazing story about Hazelshould (Gerry Porter). I 've watched and admired throughout time the volume of gear he has. Truly interesting. Ultimately, as he pointed out that it is usually the drummer and his technique that influence sound in a sense. Just as cymbals are all different. Drummers and techniques are too.

[@OCDrummer74]

UFIP splashes are pretty magical. Charlie used an 18” UFIP china as his crash, and the flat ride was Paiste 602.

[@liamdempsey7072]

My first drum set I got for $40 was a heap of crap but the cymbal bag that came with it had 4 cymbals. Including some matching late 70s zildjians and this early ufip 10 inch. It sounds amazing and I imagine is worth a bit now!

[@bpaboyce]

Agreed! I have always been mostly a Sabian guy, but I used to work in a drum shop, and all manner of cymbals passed through the shop…I first heard UFIP there. I have an 8” UFIP Class series splash that is my absolute favorite cymbal that I own. I’ve recorded with it dozens of times back in the day, and I can always hear it cut through and sing out, but it blends perfectly with the other cymbals. Perfection!

[@danlc95]

Thank both of you for your efforts! Hazelshould is legendary at this point.

[@bilhamcobbly2957]

Yes!! I found an old fire alarm bell in the trash.And wow!!! It’s the most,Clean cutting,Pure tone bell in my setup.luckily I had a l shaped cymbal arm that resembles an lp mount to mount upside down for perfect positioning.

[@Ramshackled17]

Fantastic conversation. Thank you guys!

[@DrummerAndyTaiwan]

Ayo Bart this is another really great episode that I had fun watching and really enjoyed, Gerry is very knowledgeable and likes to share with everybody, these podcasts are so important to the drum community, get Gerry back to do some deep dive on what ever topic you guys want, I’m here for all of it! Keep up the good work Love from Taiwan 🇹🇼🔥💯🥁🫡❤️‍🔥

[@MaxiYuno]

“there is no perfect cymbal” - well said! cant agree enough 😉

[@DjTroublemaker]

Most of my cymbals are Italian made. Pasha, Ajaha, Bellotti, UFIP, Zanchi,....They range from the 1920's to the 1960's. Outstanding cymbals

[@ghostandbell2006]

I'm obsessed with Zanchi F&F Vibra made in Italy cymbals...I may be selling some of mine hmu

[@ddude7663]

Excellent! Thanks for the great interview, guys.

[@BlummerDrummer]

What a hero! Hazelshould! 🙌

[@samthorne488]

Great interview!

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

Thank you!

[@zachary813]

I believe Meinl is still hand hammered. I have a 23" K Sweet Ride, and I can't stand the hum. It groans! Now I want to check out the Meinl 24".

[@philipnestor5034]

Great interview. I’ve watched a number of videos and they’re all great.

[@davewestner]

Compliments to the host and guest. Very entertaining interview.....nice to see a face on the Hazelshould.....been browsing that site for years. Unfortunately haven't bought anything from it yet, but I'm waiting for just the right cymbal....then I'll jump on it.

[@KeyFobRob]

Wonderful interview!

[@jaypetach5598]

Bart: Sometime in the next couple months I'd like to do an interview with you for a course about podcasting that I'm scheduled to teach this summer at UC Blue Ash. With your long-running podcast, you'll make a great interview subject. Please let me know if this will be possible. Thanks. Jay

[@nickhughes6791]

I believe the frying pan was designed with Dafnis Prieto, cool piece!

[@lucyfuir6386]

A friend of mine had an old krut cymbal back in 1990. It was written in red ink.

[@cristianmolina8148]

Gerry is super nice dude..I am chilean guy who have bought him like 5 cymbals..very, but very good experience..He is excepcional fast answering any question and shipping... actually I bought once a signia snare..it was like in one week in my house (chile...) very nice experience as well. btw his reviews are funny as hell, i think the best in business..that paiste 404 hi hats review was legendary..

[@justhadrums]

Your description of the zildjian orchestral cymbal you have up right now about killed me, soooo hilarious and true.

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

Ha thanks for watching!

[@brent3760]

This was fantastic! I am a cymbal addict! I love this!!! My favorite cymbals are old As. I love them. Specifically, the Non trashy Trans Stamps, Block Stamps and Late 50s Small Stamps. Love those. You can use them for any style! Love em!!!

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

Super cool, great cymbals. Thanks for watching Brent!

[@brent3760]

​@@DrumHistoryPodcastOne of my favorite podcasts! Never kids an episode!

[@EricBaileyDrums]

I saw Gerry with Dick Dale and sold him a cymbal after. Obviously a great guy and he ripped on a vintage double bass ludwig kit. Cool interview

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

Thanks Eric! That is cool about seeing Gerry live - he is always ready to buy a cymbal :)

[@drumgeekinfo4572]

I have an 8 in ufip splash and as mentioned it is the best cymbal I own so beautiful in the way it releases the sound "Pishh"

[@SalMichael]

Gerry is a good dude, good service. Great gear.Also Bosphorus are still completely handmade and are amazing.

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

A good dude indeed!

[@brent3760]

Ringo played Zyn, Zildjian and Paiste.

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

Ah yes - Zyn. Thats what I was thinking. Thanks Brent!

[@brent3760]

​@@DrumHistoryPodcastI knew you knew it, but just couldn't think of it. Glad to help and chime in 😊

[@mancuniancandidatem]

I found an 18 inch Zyn cymbal that somebody was throwing out in a skip. It is a beautiful cymbal. Smokey, thin but mailable so it won't crack. You can even ride on it on a quiet gig. It's absolutely magic.

[@musicalchairs777]

I wound up with a small splash, fairly old looking, with a large bell and small hole that has a number 2 written on it in black marker. I saw the same cymbal on Stewart Copeland's kit in some old live Police videos, except the 2 (same handwriting ) was written on the underside of his. I'm trying to find out what I have but can't find any info. No stamp. no serial number, nothing but the 2 written on the top of it. Weird.

[@HERBYWALLACE3]

Had a ufip 16" crash in the early 80s, sounded great 👍

[@madmaxx010]

I have a 13" Zildjian K Custom bottom hat. Heavy hammered and unlathed, like the rides, and 4 scallop cut outs like the Amir bottom hats. No idea on the worth, because I just can't find any to judge what they're selling for.

[@peterwilborn3233]

Gerry is the BEST.

[@a5dr3]

Matt Chamberlain bought this old A I tested out for a few days in 1996. I said no then changed my mind a few days later but it was gone. I’ve always regretted not buying it. I was 18 and my jazz ear hadn’t developed yet. Anyways, I still remember how good it was and would love to hear it if anyone knows Matt or his videos where he’s playing an old 22.

[@Formula-602]

I sold Matt some old Turk K’s…..one,he took right on a plane to England..to record with Tori….

[@mario7frankielee]

my searching/hunting years are long gone. but i had my years which emptied my bank account &filled my drum barn! nowadays i just buy sticks & brushes😂 ps but i still enjoy listening to hunter/gatherers speaking about their „trouvailles“ 🙏

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

That’s super cool. I’m sure you have tons of great stuff and had a good time doing it - but you are right, the best cymbals are what you are playing! Thanks for watching

[@madchops82]

1st stamp 20s?

[@tangosierra9649]

I want a Paiste Sound Creation 24” Dark Ride! Cymbal Gods PLEASE

[@alanduncan1980]

You could literally open a store that only sells vintage Supraphonics and Acrolites. Those drums are guaranteed to sell all day, everyday.

[@georgebenson3826]

👍

[@dharmageddonnow]

I bought one of Kenny Aronoff's Brady snares from Hazel Should. It was used on a JM album. I was not worthy lol.

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

Wow that is awesome!

[@terrydonegan1622]

I own some Soultones which are no longer made I'm told

[@michaelmohaske1877]

I own a set of 13 Zildjian new beat high hats my first kit was patterned after pearls kit.

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

Very nice!

[@loganhobbs2612]

I recall buying and selling a few things YEARS ago from Gerry on the BAY of e. He had another seller name before he became Hazelshould. Does anyone remember what his seller handle was? I don’t.

[@craigshewchuk9018]

Hey I have a rare 60s ride that is 24inch it has these star pattern hand hammered marks and is super heavy and dry, cannot find it in any catalog

[@brookiestorer5231]

He's a sharp guy...

[@scottstruif3939]

Roy Haynes told me he has no idea what the diameter of the flat ride was that he played on Now He Sings, Now He Sobs.

[@Formula-602]

18?

[@jimflys2]

Honestly, I believe the Tama bell brass snare is not all that rare. They were offered in their catalog as early as 1980. Phil Gould was playing one with Level 42 in 1982. They were made through the 80s. Not a limited single run drum by any means. But with Nevermind it has become iconic and " rare". But there are thousands out there. Most guys just keep the. No, they ard not worth 15,000 or 10,000 of even 5,000. Great snare. For playing. 2,000 max. Seriously. But the deal is, there are a lot of hobbyist drummers who are lawyers or doctors and will pay ANY amount for it. They drive the price. Drummers drive the lore. Players make anything sound great. Don't even get me started on a crappy old Acrolyte. Yes. They sound good, but there are more of those than any other snare. Not worth more than 125.00. Really.

[@DrumHistoryPodcast]

Very good points. "Drummers drive the lore" is well said

[@sydneypollak]

Ufip hats are even better than their splashes

[@jannes219]

Can you pleas make a viedio whith rick allen drum sets

[@chizzadbc]

Y’know, I’ve been thinking a lot about cymbals…

[@kiplingtturner]

😢

[@The_Other_Ghost]

Guitar center thinks it's a used Sabian 29" ride.

[@ghostandbell2006]

I play and collect sabian sound control rides and flange rides .. I have many I'm keeping and many I'm selling and if anyone is interested please reach out i'd like to get these to good homes.. The 20" aa sound control is my favorite cymbal of all time. #hmu

[@ghostandbell2006]

AA, HH and HH Hi-Bell Sound Control Rides & Flange Rides

[@mr.145]

El Sabor too?"i have them with the flanges

[@ghostandbell2006]

@@mr.145 yes the el sabor has a flanged edge but are heavy and don't sound like the sound controls rides or flange rides

[@mr.145]

@@ghostandbell2006 interesting,ive got the 20,16, and harder to find 18

[@ghostandbell2006]

@@mr.145 I love the innovation of Sabian. there is nothing like a flanged edge

[@kevinkosmeder6769]

No rare crashes?

[@brent3760]

There probably is, but I would say anything from the 50s and 40s that are 18" and under would be rare crashes. If you can find an 18 or whatever Trans Stamp, that would be a rare crash.

[@presterjack9764]

Jazz players don't believe in crash cymbals. The rare vintage cymbals that are 18" and under are still called ride cymbals. Kind of an arbitrary distinction that was created later in cymbal history.

[@DEVUNK88]

are all cymbals mad in Turkey? are their any mfgs in america? asia?, euroupe?

[@tomnaumann2104]

Zildjians are (now) made in America, Sabian in Canada, Paiste in Switzerland, Wuhan in China. So, yes.

[@RustyCrawford-cc1zy]

Kmart D r a n d