The Rats Ate All The Labels For The Relays! - 1973 Bally Circus Pinball Machine Repair 2

[@MichaelWhitley-n9y]

As always thank you Ron for taking the time to make these repair videos.

[@cprossu]

Keep doing what you are doing! Your tips, tricks, and repetition on things in these videos are invaluable! The basics you teach(preach maybe even!) helped me get one of these old mechanical machines going, and I've sent others your way before when they had issues so they could watch over the shoulder of a veteran repairmen. In an age of 'factory trained technicians' I value someone who can get down and dirty with something, use their own wits and skills, figure out shortcuts and know which ones to take and which you cannot. As for people who disagree with your way of doing things, don't let it bug you at all. When I see you or Richard from Precision Transmission I know I am watching someone who's made a LIVING fixing these things up and making their customers happy. Thanks for sharing this stuff with us.

[@WreckDiver99]

Scotch Brite is your friend...it is. Preach it Richard!

[@mre9789]

Ron, good job explaining the drum switch and relay logic. It seems like magic when everything works right.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Mr E they're fun to figure out!

[@cthlhu]

I can confirm your channel has helped me repair my 1974 Super Flite!

[@briangarvin8867]

Gotta respect some 2021 digital disdain. You are a talented craftsman and have earned that right with each and every refurbished and repaired table/cabinet!! LOVE ALL YOUR CONTENT it’s my therapy to watch your experienced craftsmanship. Thank you! Fewer rodents/rats in 2022. HA

[@LyonsArcade]

thanks Brian I hope you realize everything i'm saying is in fun, I don't really hate and despise technicians, lol These things were state of the art in their time so modern tech has it's place too, it just doesn't work on this old stuff, hahaha Thanks for watching!

[@robertlefeuvre9404]

Steve Young always has our back’s.

[@LyonsArcade]

He's the man!

[@truck9moon100]

The arrogance of some people is staggering. I can't for the life of me understand a person trying to tell you how to repair a pinball machine. I mean, after all you make your living fixing these wonderful classic objects. Thank you for the show and thank you for sharing your vast knowledge. I think your channel is awesome.

[@LyonsArcade]

People are crazy man, I dont' know why people like to mess with people. You know; they never do it in person. I never have anybody say a cross word to me in person, lol.

[@truck9moon100]

@@LyonsArcade I guess they hide behind their keyboard.

[@opticaltrace4382]

Steve at pbr has the 455 bulbs in packs of 10 for a dollar each. Heard he may have found a new source for them

[@simondempsey1]

Ron I love your videos. Wished i knew about your channel before i fixed up my Williams Gulfstream a few years ago. Wouldn't of made the mistakes you tell us about not doing on the relays etc. I have watched the same video several times and always find somthing i'd missed. keep em coming!

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Simon I'm glad you enjoy them, i'm just trying to have some fun and keep the haters checked :) See you on the next one!!!

[@DonnyHooterHoot]

I used to run wire harnesses like that for control panels. Our engineer always had us run 10% or so spare wires. Just in case he or the customer wanted more options. Cool!

[@LyonsArcade]

That makes sense, I should do that when I run electrical wiring in buildings, have a couple extra here and there just in case :) Thanks for watching Donny!

[@simondempsey1]

Theres nothing to hate Ron, its all good. I love you sense of hurmour as well!!!!

[@williamwallace9427]

I watch the videos because of two reasons. The whole EM thing is fascinating AND because watching you find the most minute gremlin is fascinating. Great channel

[@LyonsArcade]

I try to find little interesting things in everything, i'm glad you enjoy it William, i'll keep on keeping on :)

[@MukYJ]

Those glass Buss fuses are still very common on boats. The boat industry has started switching to breakers but glass fuses are so cheap and easy to diagnose that they have been very slow to switch over.

[@LyonsArcade]

I don't want to switch over either :) Thanks for watching MukYJ!

[@seanj1984]

If you are into model trains there is also an eraser looking thing for cleaning the tracks is a very mild abrasive for cleaning electric contacts 😀 👌 😄

[@firemedicjm911]

Bought my first pin last week, Thanks to these videos I have already been elbow deep into fixing it up a bit, It's in great shape but needed a little love. Not an EM but that will probably be my next purchase. Keep up the great work, learning a lot!

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching FiremedicJM... you may not know this if you haven't been watching for awhile, but the reason I started doing these videos is because I want to inspire other people to save these machines, I can't fix them all but you can fix a few around you and I can fix some here and Bob can fix some there, etc... together we're going to save ALL OF THEM Thanks again man.

[@markjackson1444]

Great video Ron. Great explanation of the relays & score motor. .... I bought the wax you use. Wow.... what a fantastic product. A1.

[@danijelcar5184]

Great job done for shore 😎👍

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Danijel, we appreciate it!!!

[@Mack-op1vw]

Awesome explanation on the score switches man, incredible what they came up with, I was looking at the score switches wondering how the hell it turned without activating everything, and couldn`t see enough gearing to individually revolve the cams, cool video.

[@MrMattDat]

Great video & a lot of fun to watch. The color of the wire & outer wrapper on the stepper motor at 23:00 looks uniform, so my guess is not cooked. Plus the color in the chewed wrapper looks uniform through the width & the depth of the paper.

[@LyonsArcade]

That's a good point, thank you for watching Matt!!

[@fishon8406]

Hey, when talking about how the 500pt relay works, do this. Wire that 5-bump wheel switch to the bell! Ding ding ding ding ding!

[@johncantrell614]

Traditional fine sandpaper is fine for the cleaning. In the marine trades, we were always told sandpaper was good, but to never use emery cloth on contacts, because the emery is like an insulator, and can be ground into the contact material if it is not cleaned well afterwards, and can make it where you don’t get as good a contact because of it.

[@LyonsArcade]

I now have people telling me to do the exact opposite things :) Thank you John, I trust you better than the other guys, lol I have your contact burnishers too but I filmed this before that....

[@johncantrell614]

@@LyonsArcade no problem, I think you will like those when you get a chance to use them. They clean and polish contacts fairly well using a little light pressure to pinch the contacts together, while you move the burnisher back and forth a few times. 🙂

[@JacGoudsmit]

A millimeter is a little bit over 1/32 inch. (It's actually 10/254th of an inch, by definition -- or rather, an inch is 25.4mm exactly). So 1/16" is about 2mm. I would say the paper on that stepper coil didn't burn or evaporate or whatever; it was eaten by rodents. Thanks for posting, Ron!

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Jac, little over 1/32 I can probably keep that straight! We'll see you on the next video!!!

[@pezjohnson]

So much work going on here. Thanks for going through the process. Speaking about old parts. I'll email you guys about a chime box for Capt. Fantastic. Set one up at the house and it had the Wico sound board rather than the chimes. Ick.

[@LyonsArcade]

They make a replacement one believe it or not....

[@PRRGG1]

Ron, I used to use super lube on TV broadcast video tape mechanisms and cameras. There IS a precision tube version that is out there, just haven't seen one in a long time. That is indeed a good product.

[@Indiskret1]

Enjoyed it as much as my 10 hour slow cooked chuck roast together with a cold beer. Just waitin' for them clowns to be alive again! 😁

[@LyonsArcade]

Send In The Clowns! Thanks for watching Indiskret1!!!

[@STREETCARCULTURE]

Really enjoy your channel dude 👍🏾G'day from Australia

[@LyonsArcade]

Thanks Street Car Culture, we appreciate you watching over in Australia!!!

[@thomasatwell8896]

Great video and btw that's a sweet night rider. I drive truck and have a soft spot for that machine 😁

[@LyonsArcade]

It's one of my favorite games, I was surprised that it's so fun, it's very similar to the other ones but more fun, and the theme is great. Thanks for watching Thomas!

[@weyayemanjoe3082]

Awesome great work Ron, Also nice to see Donnie has got the guttering Done on the roof A big Thumbs up from me on all ya Great videos 👍 👍👍

[@weyayemanjoe3082]

Anybody know what Happened to John's arcade 🤔 I've not see him on for a long time

[@LyonsArcade]

I believe John had a lot of other things going on and got burnt out a little bit, he does a lot of editing and each video would be a ton of work to put up I think. I don't do as much production so it's easier for me to make videos... I'll tell Donnie you said Hi, we're going to have a really fun video Friday on his channel!

[@scottgm321]

I just realize you can’t spell “wrong” without Ron. 😮. I love it when guys like you make fun of the “you’re doing it wrong comments”. I use brake cleaner and steel wool! I would if I had a pinball machine. SP is from the movie The Jerk. It stands for Special Purpose! Thanks for the video and the laughs.

[@LyonsArcade]

I haven't seen the Jerk since I was like 7, I didn't understand it then, lol Now when I watch Steve Martin he's usually playing a Banjo! Thanks for watching Scott, you're doing it wrong though :)

[@101fng]

@@LyonsArcade Steve Martin is an AMAZING banjo player. He’s a modern day renaissance man.

[@demofilm]

I must say that score. motor looks pretty clean

[@LyonsArcade]

Ain't it beautiful????

[@demofilm]

@@LyonsArcade yes it does, especially for something that was used by rats. i have seen much worse.

[@pigeoncatcher1]

You might want to look into a fibreglass pencil for cleaning contacts, I believe they’re very good causing very little wear.

[@LyonsArcade]

The only problem is they don't cause enough wear in some instances, I had some alkaline damage I was cleaning up recently and tried with the fiberglass pen and it couldn't take it off unfortunately....

[@pigeoncatcher1]

@@LyonsArcade I wasn’t sure if it was something that was available over in America, not trying to teach grandma how to suck eggs, I’m sure your way works for you, I’ve used the same methods too as a mechanic.

[@PlumGurly]

To make an LED work as a controller in the control section, you'd likely need an LED, a transistor, and a relay. So if the LED blinks at a good rate, it could control a transistor, and the transistor could control a relay. Kludge fixes like these might need to be needed. Or, a 555 timer could do the job. Let the timer chip (and the passive parts to slow the speed to what's needed) control a transistor and a relay. Or let the timer drive a triac. As for things like broken control cams, it would take a lot of doing, but one could probably design an FPGA/CPLD board that drives transistors and relays (or transistors and triacs).

[@dylanfriel7242]

The reason the barrel fuses are used in marine systems, is because if the fuse gets wet it will pop, but the panel can be dried, and the fuse replaced and the unit will work again. In a breaker, water can short out the voltage runout or hot bar and negate the function. Electrical fires on a boat are a real problem and barrel fuses prevent them.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Dylan, that makes sense!!!

[@EsotericArctos]

I like seeing you go over the details in each video. I find it a bit annoying if someone does a repair and then says "See video ...... for details on this part". I want to see it in the video I am watching :). Ignore the people that say it is not Sand Paper - Technically probably Sanding Paper would be accurate. SP does still stand for Sand Paper. Ultimately, regardless of what the call the paper, the process is still darn sanding. It is still Sand(ing) Paper :) Most "Sand Paper" doesn't use Sand, even the extra course stuff, these days. Most use some kind of glass as the grit. Occasionally some companies do call it glass paper, but most still call it sand paper. As far as bits that fall off - Even with a file you have fine bits that fall off. It's kind of irrelevant as long as you dust things off after. Thanks for the great videos. I appreciate you letting us in to this part of your life. Almost start to feel like family sometimes between this and Donnie's channel :)

[@LyonsArcade]

we'll save you a seat at Thanksgiving, Brendan, haha! I'm just trying to have a little fun the people picking on me don't bother me too much... Sometimes when I start seeing the comments I go 'Uh oh, is that another video I was complaining about people complaining in " hahaha I didn't think about calling it Sanding Paper, I may just start saying that and let people DEAL WITH IT. Glad you enjoy the videos man i'll tell Donnie you said hi... we're doing a 'cross over' video or two on his channel Friday and then probably next Friday, I bought a CNC machine so I can make my own cabinets! Thanks for watching as always man, take care.

[@davesnothere7427]

I have never worked on a EM machine. I have never worked on anything analog or solid state. I have never worked on anything digital. Ram, rom, don't no that stuff either. Transistors? Diodes? Resistors? I see the beginnings of computer technology and how it's evolved over time and I'm intrigued.

[@LyonsArcade]

That's what I like seeing in them too, just like you said it's the beginning of computer technology and it's fascinating that these engineers who came before us could figure this stuff out. I've been working on that Night Rider EM machine, and going through the schematics, and I was looking at how they do some of the scoring, and the timing on the score motor, and it is MIND BLOWING the stuff they figured out. Night Rider was one of the very last EM machines the engineers got a crack at those relays on, so they were able to do their very best before it went to Solid State. They've got a little circuit, where you have to knock down all 10 drop targets to get 6,000 points and reset them all... but after you do that, you only have to knock down 5 and get 3,000 points. How in the world do you figure that out?

[@KaPH33n]

Save all the games!

[@LyonsArcade]

We're trying to :) Thank you for watching!!!

[@ray73864]

Wait, sandpaper is only for wood? Hate to be the person who thinks that..... Sandpaper has a variety of uses, and if you find it good for using it with what you use it for, Ron, then that's a perfect use for it :) I use sandpaper for getting rid of rust for instance. Also great for opening jars, since the sandpaper grips onto the lid (I mean sure, they have special silicon / rubber things for doing that, but whatever).

[@LyonsArcade]

I had a lockdown bar earlier tonight with all kinds of scratches on it, I took this sandpaper and had at it... I made sure to go only in 1 direction and it kind of 'grained' it, really looked a lot better after I was done! Brendan was making the point on another comment that it's paper you sand with, HAHAHAHA Thanks for watching Ray!

[@Silent-Lucidity]

Looks like there may be another source for the 455 bulb, but if not, someone can design a 555 one-shot board to control light timers and that tilt flasher.

[@MeatVision]

Those damn gamer rats

[@LyonsArcade]

They're always up to something!!!!

[@jasonudall8614]

Its the fault finding and the like that I come for ......play fields not so much .....love the back glass artwork but hey we don't have to be the same

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you Jason, we appreciate you hanging out with us!

[@seancurry2863]

I'm one of your people - I watch them all. BTW, did you know that the Paris Public Transit System is called RATP?

[@LyonsArcade]

hahaha does that mean something different in French :0 Thanks for watching Sean!

[@doublebulbing]

sandpaper is better than scotch bright pads. Amazing how much green residue the cheap green scotch-bright pad will leave behind.

[@LyonsArcade]

I never used those much, probably because they cost more than the sandpaper, ha! Thanks for watching Marble Head!!!

[@Zerbey]

Hope you can figure out the bulb issue, LED bulbs seems sacrilegious for such an old machine. Very interesting repair video as always, one of these days I'll buy my own machine as a project and make a fool of myself thinking I can repair it just based on watching you do it so effortlessly.

[@LyonsArcade]

I'm going to just have some made in Chy-Na if I have to, lol Thanks for watching Chris, you can absolutely fix one. If you find one around you cheap... IT'S YOUR DUTY to fix it Chris, we've got to save all these things. You have the knowledge, lol

[@MrVectrex]

Well! 16 of an inch is like 1,5 mm, and a quarter is around 6+ mm. Let me tell you. This is why a quarterpounder with chees is called: Royale with chees in some european countrys. Why the heek couldent we get along with one scale to measure things? I think the inch scale is more legit, even though I live in Europe. Thanks for another good video Ron.

[@LyonsArcade]

Didn't the Imperial measurements come from Europe ? Hmmmmm

[@MrVectrex]

@@LyonsArcade Yup! i think it did acctually. Sorry! 😅

[@richjacka1]

Because saying I have something 6 inches long sounds way cooler than saying, hey, I have something 152mm long, want to see it?

[@fred_derf]

@@richjacka1 Yah, but saying I have something 15 cm long is way, way cooler than saying I have something 5 and 181/200 inches.

[@StuShoots]

inches is fine with me! Im old school!

[@LyonsArcade]

hahaha thanks man. I'd hope all my UK brothers and sisters are with me at least :) See you on the next video!

[@VaxxedStories]

To get those relay labels, how about going to the Internet Pinball Database and find another owner of this game and ask them to take a photo of their bottom board.

[@LyonsArcade]

I just labeled them by hand

[@ChozoSR388]

Not even gonna lie; I don't even own any arcade games or pinball machines; I just A- Enjoy them to no end and B- Just like to see how they work.

[@LyonsArcade]

We're happy to have you ChozoSR388, glad you enjoy them! I love messing around and figuring out what's wrong with them and what I can find inside that shouldn't be there, or that was some brilliant thing some person designed 50 years ago that deserves another look. Thanks for watching !!!

[@wackyworldofwindios3476]

Good morning Joe. Questions? What is the size and weight of a pinball, and do all games use the same size pinball's?

[@LyonsArcade]

Since the 50's most games have used the same size, it's a 1 1/16"" steel ball bearing. Not sure what it weighs... Now, if you watch all our videos we've ran into a few that used different sizes like our Bally Rapid Fire which isnt' really a pinball, or the Williams Pennant Fever Baseball game which isn't really a pinball either. Check out www.PBResource.com/balls.html if you want to see all the different kinds and sizes... most anything with flippers though uses the exact same ball.

[@Jeroen_a]

@16:24 maybe marine because you can see the filament as a little submarine? idk... i'm just guessing :)

[@LyonsArcade]

That makes sense to me Jeroen :) Good an idea as any :) See you on the next one!!!

[@johnneilokowitz2682]

I would never fast forward, I might something that I really need to see.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you John!

[@cklinejr]

I love your attitude towards the commenters. Lol.

[@LyonsArcade]

They try to start trouble 😀

[@waynegram8907]

JOES CLASSIC, I'm confused about the difference between a normal switch compared to a "zero position switch"? The zero position switch must have more switch POLES or a different mechanism not sure really. The RESET relay gets turned ON by the score motor? and the RESET relay gets turns OFF by the ALL the zero position switches being closed?

[@LyonsArcade]

The zero position switch is just one that opens or closes when the mechanism it's on gets to it's 'zero' position... they use it so they can tell if something has reset or not. The start button on the front of the machine turns on the coin relay, which then turns on the reset relay. the reset relay is held on until all the zero position switches get open, then it no longer has anything holding it on (because the switches are open and no longer have power traveling through them)... Thank you for watching Wayne!!!

[@waynegram8907]

@@LyonsArcade thanks

[@daveweston5158]

Hi Ron! I've got a silly question for you today (but then again, have you come to expect anything less from me?); When working through cleaning relays on EM pinball machines, is there any advantage to testing the switches/contacts with a multimeter as they are cleaned to confirm continuity (or lack thereof, if the switch should be open), or would that be considered a colossal waste of time?

[@LyonsArcade]

We usually end up testing continuity if we find issues later on but it'd take a lonnnnnnng time to do them all as we go through. You could do it that way though if you took it easy and went through switch by switch, I usually spend 30 seconds or so on each relay so it doesn't take too long.... Thank you for watching Dave!!!

[@Jeroen_a]

Come visit our circus, people. and see the "biggest" show on earth, the "most dangerous" and "amazing" acts you can imagine, see our "spectacular" seal show. "Roar" with the tigers and enjoy yourselves with the clowns. try and do not get your eyes mislead by our magician with his "bedazzling" show. and see our "extreme" acrobat act!.. Step right up, get your tickets at the cassier!

[@LyonsArcade]

Man over here they shut down the famous Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey circus and the world hasn't been the same every since!!!

[@Jeroen_a]

over here they have forbidden wild animals in circusses.... it has never been the same since

[@theodorethompson9032]

Once i had to repair a locomotives wiring the raccoons ate a bunch of insulation off the wires. Put the HVC covers back on people...!!! Does your schematics give cabinet layouts?

[@LyonsArcade]

Most of them do yes.... it's in the manual, most of the games came with a manual, and a separate set of schematics. So the schematics show the electrical relationship and the manual shows where each relay is and what each switch is wired to.... Thanks for watching as always Theodore!

[@yesitreallyisme]

UK link works fine

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for checking yesitreallyisme :) We appreciate you watching!!!

[@yesitreallyisme]

@@LyonsArcade I use it all the time sincr you told us of it. Keep the vids coming.

[@pauldzim]

Maybe it was the rat pee that kept that first stepper unit so clean

[@GHILLIESARCADEANDMORE]

Cool

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you for watching Ghillie!

[@markhandrahan4520]

Sorry Ron, I failed to use your link for my last Amazon order, I'll do it next time. Will Donnie be playing this machine when it's finished?

[@LyonsArcade]

We might have to get him to come by :) Thanks for watching Mark, we appreciate the thought at least on the Amazon thing :)

[@demofilm]

1mm 1/25 Inch 0.03937 Inches 2mm 1/16 Inch 0.07874 Inches 3mm 3/32 Inch 0.11811 Inches

[@cweve]

Contact cleaner and DeOxit.

[@MRNBricks]

If you can’t find which relay is which, I can send you a pic of my mech board. It still has the labels.

[@LyonsArcade]

Thank you MRN Bricks, I figured it out though and wrote it in, with Sharpie :) Thanks for watching!!!!

[@derofromdown-under2832]

That's terrible you don't know millimetres... LOL I have to admit that I grew up using the imperial system, but I eventually migrated to millimetres, metres etc., as is the standard here in Australia... Ignore the scotchbrite fan boys and just stick with what works for you... 10/10 for this vid...

[@LyonsArcade]

There are two types of countries in the world, those that use the Metric system and those that walked on the moon I SAY GOOD DAY SIR Thanks for watching Dero we appreciate it

[@justjoe942]

Have you done the trouble shooting video for this game? If not, when do you think that one will be coming?

[@LyonsArcade]

Not yet, but it will be coming next week. We will have videos on this machine this Friday, then Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday next week, see you then!

[@justjoe942]

@@LyonsArcade Thanks, dude.

[@firemedicjm911]

Don't use sandpaper, Use a grinder with a good grinding wheel and then bathe the whole thing in WD-40...Right?

[@LyonsArcade]

WD-40 really gets the grime off if you set the shit on fire after you spray it on there :)

[@firemedicjm911]

@@LyonsArcade lol

[@ovalteen4404]

"SP" stands for "Sleeping Pills". Duh.

[@jasonudall8614]

On the subject of "we call it this not sandpaper"....... Amicably disagreeing ....is the way of gentlefolk.

[@LyonsArcade]

I'm not much for proper terminology

[@jasonudall8614]

@@LyonsArcade I am not much for absolute right/wrong....many names for same thing.. not wrong just different

[@lileveretteyoakumiii]

Yodel ay hee hoo

[@LyonsArcade]

Yodelay Hee Hoo where you have you been Lil Everette???

[@lileveretteyoakumiii]

@@LyonsArcade Long story

[@rustychopps]

salt n pepper

[@seanj1984]

I got number 5 wahoo I will eventually be first

[@12345nope12345]

#58 for me

[@LyonsArcade]

You've gotta be quicker on that trigger finger :) Thanks Sean!!!!

[@seanj1984]

@@LyonsArcade I know right! 😂😂