The Real Deal with VPNs (Don't Trust VPN Ads)

[@TheMaerx]

How am I supposed to know which VPN has the highest security when I whip out my card from my ridge wallet to pay for a website made with squarespace while listening to some beats on my raycon earbuds having smooth balls from using manscaped as I play Raid Shadow Legends? Edit: I was gonna add more products but it's better you read the many funny replies I've got

[@shadowmaster435]

Holy christ this is underrated as well as perfect *The Ultimate Combo*

[@shadowmaster435]

@@Ze_eT The Saga Continues...

[@HasekuraIsuna]

You're not listening to your favourite audiobook on Audible?

[@jamonesbaratoskim8039]

you re roasting like 50% or more of big to mid or even low youtubers, and i love it

[@marct.g.5468]

Loool I can’t stop laughing...

[@bluebaby30]

Anything that gets pushed so aggressively makes me wary

[@baconaterlover5399]

Yea especially since all vpn ads read very similar, I hate when companies don’t let creators deliver sponsored segments the way they want to. They follow the script almost as closely as raid shadow legends ads.

[@dester3275]

@@baconaterlover5399 Affiliate links are way better but still not good

[@hellishcatt]

Blue baby stinks! baby hush is better

[@marcar9marcar972]

To be fair Sekiro was good and that thing was pushed like hell

[@kevinm5940]

@@baconaterlover5399 I always find it funny whenever those ads have them say lines like 'this has quickly become my favorite game of all time!', because that's so clearly bullshit.

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

"Don't like big corporations and criminals rifling through your data? Pay us a monthly sum to do it instead!" First thought when I started seeing vpn ads.

[@darrengordon-hill]

THANK YOU!! "Pay us to steal your data so we can sell it

[@HunterPhenomMakoy]

Just like the companies that want to keep track of all your passwords for you 😉

[@MsZsc]

That one isnt true tho, tom scott has stuff regarding how password managers should work

[@HunterPhenomMakoy]

*Some vpns don’t tell you they store data lol jk

[@tanmaydeshpande]

@@HunterPhenomMakoy except that's not possible. All the password managers secured with a master password. That master password is typically hashed and so it becomes very difficult for the company to see your passwords

[@OceansideSpiderHouse]

If VPNs worked as advertised without any strings or caveats, we’d probably be seeing a lot of backlash from ISPs and government agencies. Seeing hardly any backlash is the first thing that made me wary when Nord started appearing everywhere.

[@kael070]

There are news articles where some vpns got sued to give details on X individual but they cant give the logs since they dont keep them. And a few were discovered snitching to the fbi Then you could make your own vpn somewhere but then you could have problems with those companies having your billing information and needing an account to make the things. Pick your own poison and try to not commit too many crimes

[@isaac10231]

Lmao that's genius. Honestly they must all be honeypots. Or at least downloading a VPN flags you in the NSA database.

[@fanamatakecick97]

That’s why i opted for a VPN that’s not Nord EDIT: if you’re curious, it’s ExpressVPN

[@robincait]

Private Internet Access at the least doesn't keep any logs on user traffic, and has proven so in court multiple times

[@boosterseat9967]

Tbf nord wasn’t the first VPN to be popular, and even before that there are plenty of options to hide your history, and most people good with computers could do it beforehand

[@laurenbryant7154]

I like how this felt like a Google Slideshow presentation

[@FauxGoon]

99 likes but a comment ain't one

[@fivetopoint]

oh god it does

[@benjaminblackbird]

the clicks lol🤣

[@parknich081]

It is a powerpoint lol

[@SpaceTimeBeing_]

@@parknich081 Nah he uses linux. It should be something open source.

[@tydshiin5783]

My motto is "If you see a product or service sponsoring almost every KZbinr/content creators, never trust the product or service"

[@cubethepixel3025]

@Logan Levulett hol up, WHAT?!?!

[@VampKat]

Agreed. There are a lot of youtubers I like/trust on a basic level. But like everyone else, they’re just trying to get paid. Definitely not buying what they sponsor 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@VampKat]

@Logan Levulett WHAT?

[@akakerness6396]

Yup, I do the same with YT ads. Like the colgate optic white ad. Since I hate the ad I stopped using colgate products and started buying another brand. (I Know it doesn't affect the company, but the ad is making me do the opposite of what is supposed to) And I know I'm not the only one doing that.

[@bluepeppermint3790]

@Logan Levulett Oh boi, gotta uninstall that one quickly. Thanks for the heads up.

[@g.ricepad9470]

Conclusion: the last time they sold privacy with no strings attached was when they invented doors

[@ABoxIsMyHome]

Haha nice sum up

[@lucky6961]

and took it back after getting keyholes and even less with snake cameras

[@Nightengale537]

Even less once they found out most doors used similar locks so they just make lockpicks for that

[@ceiliannbaldwin5592]

though even those you have to pay for

[@hrsh042]

Black films

[@Icyclean6969]

Another important point is that like he mentioned everyone knows pretty much all of the IP addresses for popular VPNs including foreign governments. When I spent time living and studying in China where having a VPN is a must all of the popular VPNs including Nord (which had the balls to charge me a $7 international fee) and Express were blocked whenever there was a politically sensitive event (which was frequent) and the only VPN that I could get to work was a shitty free browser extension one that I had as backup. Every time I see an influencer talk about how they can help you escape gov censorship I die a little inside knowing that VPNs are not a magic tool but they are just (usually monitored) information pipelines to the outside world that are known about and can be shut off.

[@NosebleeddeGroselha]

I saw in one of these KZbin sponsored bits that one of the selling points of Nord in their website is that it works in China 😂

[@VladLad]

please elaborate on the "shitty free browser extension" im broke and need a way to bypass regional blocks.

[@michaelsohn3617]

Just don't download one

[@Icyclean6969]

@@VladLad I forget exactly what it was (I removed it when I moved back) but you can find all sorts of free browser ones on the Firefox extensions marketplace. I think they one I used had like a picture of a globe with a white outline. Also if you go for this option it is necessary to point out that since it’s free they will probably be collecting and selling your logs but if it’s between that and a censored internet it’s not a hard choice imo

[@VladLad]

@@Icyclean6969 even in the west its a pain in the ass to be without a means to dodge region blocks. Here in Germany and I know in Australia it is also a problem that some videogames are just banned, Steam won't even display them.

[@unkn0wn_416]

For 98% of what we do on the internet no VPN is necessary. Still, a wrong VPN is more dangerous than no VPN.

[@durschfalltv7505]

now 98% off of fuckmyass vpn

[@durschfalltv7505]

@starshipeleven no fuckmyass was a parody of hidemyass vpn!

[@SupaKoopaTroopa64]

I had a friend who used some sketchy VPN to access the American versions of streaming sites from Mexico. One day he told me that he had to get another VPN, since his old one was actually part of a scheme to get information to blackmail people with.

[@MickTheRus]

Piracy is good reasons for vpn

[@reculate3332]

98% IS a very very big number and entierly false, do you know how big the internet is, you are no expert in this.

[@alouisschafer7212]

One thing VPNs are good for: Paying the bills of my favourite content creators.

[@supercellodude]

Paypal or crypto might be better options for supporting them depending on your preferences

[@TheGamer-yh4lw]

🤣🤣🤣

[@blehh_mae]

i dont think they even get any of the cut at all, if those ads did give any cut to content creators theyd have to give one ot a LOT of people

[@Aru_im]

@@blehh_mae there's a thing called sponsored link/url. That certain link only refers to one content creators that get the cut. But rather than cut, I think it's just to track which creator is more effective to put the ad on, so they can put it again.

[@lorenerd7627]

So if you click on their sponsored link enough several times you could farm specific creators reveneue

[@ValentineC137]

Broke: paying for a VPN to watch geolocked content Broker: Just refreshing your Tor connection until it connects to the right relays

[@epicm999]

MIT called. When do you want your scholarship?

[@epicm999]

@@waldotheranger3987 Yeah, I've done it before. This is just 5 dimensions ahead of what we normally think about.

[@epicm999]

@random Better than nothing

[@epicm999]

@random Amen to that

[@epicm999]

@Creatotron *pulls out raven* The broker doesn't exist.

[@octapusxft]

I started to take the VPN Ads more seriously when they switched from the dubious "we protect your privacy" into the more straightforward "we help you get past region locks"

[@Bond2025]

NO company is going to protect you in any legal dispute for $5 a month. Most VPNs and secure email services are honeypots.

[@alexparaskeuopoulos4169]

I used a vpn and people still knew that I was watching porn and kicked me from my grandma's funeral

[@Rafael57YT]

Wtf

[@lolellordfiera3771]

???

[@nmmeswey3584]

Did you make sure it was turned on? How could they have known...

[@jarlboof]

Were you beating your Johnny?

[@navnarva1948]

obviously you werent using nord vpn mate

[@imLourelin]

I've never felt so informed, yet I understood nothing

[@johnnystankiewicz295]

I think you just didnt give enough attention because its easy to understand

[@DJ_DubieWubie]

@@johnnystankiewicz295 No. For some people, it's super easy to understand, like me and you. You need to remember that not everyone has the knowledge of wikipedia.

[@johnnystankiewicz295]

@@DJ_DubieWubie you dont need knowledge of wikipedia to understand at least a few things from this video.

[@diegoxavier9107]

VPN good to prevent random dudes from looking at what you do on internet in public. VPN good to prevent internet service provider from seeing your website stuff. VPN good for hiding IP and allowing access to otherwise blocked content. VPN gives data to VPN company instead. VPN claims they don't keep data. Trust factor is added. But, user has no way of knowing if VPN is lying. Basically using a VPN is trusting the VPN company instead of internet service company. Doesn't really change anything

[@fastertrackcreative]

Basically you don't really have more privacy with VPN than without as you're simply transferring it over to the VNP servers so don't know what is collected, but it is more secure when using a public unsecured wi-fi vs not using VPN. VPNs can be used to mask your location but not reliably.

[@snubcube]

VPN Uses: Ban evasion Watching region locked movies on Netflix Hiding your IP Pirating

[@des-oe1vl]

Thanks for mentioning Pirating, lets be honest here, you would only want to hide in some way if you did something wrong.

[@MegaSovietRussian]

@@des-oe1vl nice argument, by the same logic you don't need free speech if you don't have anything to say

[@NDMO2468]

@@MegaSovietRussian I mean, pirating IS wrong. The question is whether or not you care about it or not. Lmao. Free speech has nothing to do with it. Piracy IS against the law.

[@TherealTenmanI]

@@NDMO2468 correct, speaking is wrong. Good point. Better stay silent.

[@lord_khufu]

@@NDMO2468 can i get arrested for pirating some video games to try and have fun while i can ? No one cares if i'm pirating stuff in my country, in fact i usually do that with my friends and siblings since most adults here doesn't really have a credit card, we live using cash money lol.

[@eduardorpg64]

If you read the Terms of Service of those "No Logs" VPNs, they always say something like "we still need to log some data since the government asks us to" or something like that. I haven't found a single "No Logs" VPN that doesn't say something like that on their Terms of Service. And that's what they say publicly: they probably log even more information about you without telling you.

[@LightPink]

Does mullvad have logs?

[@feru1071]

What the fuck are you doing that you read several VPN TOS?

[@feru1071]

@@Sea_Star yeah my keyword was SEVERAL

[@Sea_Star]

@@feru1071 what the fuck youtube keeps deleting my comment my reply: "Honestly, VPNs are probably something you want to read the TOS for." I stand by that

[@hv7460]

ProtoN vpn?

[@aeiouna]

For those of us in the Western world, they're not really necessary. However, I have a friend who is currently an American expat living in China. If it weren't for her VPN, we'd barely talk to her.

[@caninelynx0747]

yep, vpn is the only way for me to watch this rn

[@brots3]

What’s the western world again

[@AN-ou6qu]

@@brots3 it’s Europe and North America I believe?

[@FlyboyHelosim]

@@AN-ou6qu Well if it's North America then it must be Central and South America too.

[@aeiouna]

@Lord Inquisitor Shadowlord TEFL opportunity that was much better than the situation you're in living in the US

[@MyReviews_karkan]

I've never made a purchase based on an ad or a sponsor message. That often pushes me away from purchasing what's being advertised/shilled for. Am I the only one?

[@robdom91]

Same. Goes against my golden rule: A good deal never comes to you! A good deal is what you have to find for yourself!

[@avisekhghosh2757]

Unfortunately, most of the people are not that smart like you.

[@f23anone82]

Not sure it's truth though. You might be thinking, that if you haven't bought some shit immediately after an ad - then you're safe, but actually there are lot's of ads, which work just for brand recognition. So month and years after you saw an ad, you still might connect some specific product with some brand (i.e., like Xerox) , or in case where you need to buy something you have no experience with - you still might end with the choice you've heard of

[@MyReviews_karkan]

@@f23anone82 What I meant is that I've never seen an ad/a youtube shill then went "oh yeah, let me go buy that". You're right, there is no escape from advertisements. It is just impossible, but I do research everything I want to buy, especially if it was heavily advertised.

[@robdom91]

@@f23anone82 IMO the difference is in the state of mind when you make a purchase. I prefer to search up a few alternatives or at least do a little research of my options. I might choose the very same product I saw in an ad, but the decision was mine in a pace dictated by me. I didn't let an ad decide for me by making me do an on-the-spot purchase.

[@eyeborg3148]

I always find it funny when VPN companies act like they’re “outsmarting” companies like Netflix when you get to access region-locked content. The reality is Netflix doesn’t give a shit and might actually be happy you got to see the region locked stuff (so you continue to use their service to watch the shows you want). The reason it’s region locked is due to contract terms when they produced the show. Netflix definitely knows plenty of people use VPNs to bypass region locks - if they wanted to they could easily just blacklist all VPN IPs from using Netflix but they don’t. VPN companies aren’t “outsmarting” anyone.

[@jakerockznoodles]

I have a bit of a conspiracy theory that some of these VPN companies simply shill for the likes of Netflix. Both parties get something out of it. VPN companies get customers thinking they're getting this great workaround, and Netflix have indirectly given more people an incentive to use their service, while also having plausible deniability if media companies come at them with lawsuits.

[@personthing88]

@@jakerockznoodles makes sense

[@Lowlightt]

They have tried to block VPN usage on Netflix, many times, VPN's continue to code around these blocks and its currently a growing war between vpn's and vpn blockers concerning Netflix and other paid streaming services.

[@miscalotastuff733]

heard netflix is going to start cracking down on vpn breaking region locking. this maybe due to rhea oops diarhea and the movie companies flaking out.

[@NetralFN]

They are not outsmarting they just tried make you see other film or something

[@DodgeThatAttack]

VPN ads: "What if you have a data breach?!" Me: "What if my vpn has a data breach?"

[@hoaxghost3268]

the most bizarre vpn sponsorship ad i watched from a youtuber was this guy talking bout how "yes this vpn had a breach of security in the past year- but theyre better now!!"

[@equilibrium5280]

@@hoaxghost3268 was it Nord VPN

[@hoaxghost3268]

@@equilibrium5280 possibly, its been so long i cant remember

[@kiwi.kiwi.]

100th like

[@PhilosophiceRetardari]

@kracc bacc F

[@thesxex]

the actual reason VPNs are popular, profitable, and have weird ads is that they can't directly claim to be for piracy, but anyone who pays for one absolutely knows that's what they're getting. reminds me of radio ads i used to hear a few years ago from a local garden shop advertising "special grow" gear. legally they couldn't explicitly state it was for growing pot, but anyone in the know knew that's what they were trying to sell.

[@apreviousseagle836]

you nailed it.

[@darthlazurus4382]

Same thing happened during Prohibition in the States. Wine making kits were legally sold, and the instructions given actually started with words to the effect of, "Do not follow these instructions or you will make wine".

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

Well also not many people pirate otherwise streaming services wouldnt be making money

[@AskDrannik]

It's also why, when your local head shop sells bongs, they call them "water pipes" and explicitly state they're for "legal tobacco use only". In fact, the shop will usually kick you out if you even say "bong". By the way, why hasn't a reggae group named an album "Legal Tobacco Use Only" yet?

[@imwastedhere]

@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 their is to many streaming services right now it's crazy i see why people do piracy sometimes you just want to watch a movie that is lock to a certain streaming service. Stream services are becoming like cable

[@rachdaadilla1201]

I do use vpn cause in Indonesia they blocked some of the websites which contain things the government didn't want to see, for example: reddit. Hell, even some university website also getting blocked whenever it contains articles regarding studies regarding the indonesian government. Especially from Singapore univ and Australia univ alike.

[@upshitdownshit4200]

The Indonesian government has banned Reddit for being the most unfunny place on the internet, it is for your own good.

[@dava8058]

They probably banned reddit because the massive amount of NSFW r/, same with imugur, etc

[@endofpixel3712]

To be fair if I could spare people from seeing reddit I would.

[@vovabars1234]

jiv jiv jiv lmao true,staying further from Reddit is important to one’s mental health

[@vovabars1234]

F more like 80% of reddit

[@misterlinkloquendo19]

The actual use of VPN is bypassing the 4GB limit on MEGA, For that they are more useful!

[@kentreed2011]

BUT it slows down the download speed.

[@waycnf7229]

@@kentreed2011 ok don't care

[@cosmii]

@@kentreed2011 fuck that i already get 5MB/s anyways

[@dhruvakhera5011]

@@cosmii 40 mbps is still better than 30

[@oshxdxw]

@@dhruvakhera5011 man you know about the mbytes to mbits thing dont you

[@_ashB]

Thank you for this, VPN ads have just always seemed incredibly scummy and misleading to non-techy people. "Military grade encryption" when they use the same encryption standards as everyone else, "Protect your traffic" meanwhile they get to see anything your ISP would. Some of the youtubers pushing this stuff genuinely seem to not know better, I swear I've heard someone unironically say it "encrypts your IP address".

[@manictiger]

Yeah, that jargon bugs me. Wifi's literally "military grade encryption". AES256, the standard for pretty much everything right now.

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

"Military grade" usually means "cheapest" -- always makes me laugh when I hear youtubers stumble through their read-off ad and it pops up.

[@willow5945]

@@appalachiabrauchfrau I know a guy who works at a Royal Canadian Navy shop, and let me tell you that military grade clothing is...something all right.

[@rpnvg]

@@appalachiabrauchfrau Eeeexactly. From vehicles to issued kit & clothing. Military grade doesn’t mean the best, it just designates “this is the cheapest we could get without something falling apart within 2-3 years”. The *only* instance I have found “military grade” things to be better than commercial grade are in the night vision world. Night vision intensifier manufacturers like L3Harris and Elbit Systems of America will purposely bin intensifiers that meet 18UM military spec requirements. Everything below these thresholds get sold on the civilian/commercial market. Typically, these commercial intensifiers have small blemishes or “dark spots” inside. A lot of people will choose to save $400-500 and simply buy commercial spec intensifiers for their NVG’s.

[@worf8964]

“This video was sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legends”

[@ipapermc]

Your pfp matches the yt dark mode

[@worf8964]

@@ipapermc That’s the point

[@ipapermc]

@@worf8964 ik

[@mountain_hills]

@@worf8964 jokes on you im on light mode

[@randomuser5443]

@@mountain_hills You’re insane and most de destroyed

[@Sleepy_Cattt]

You wont believe it, "let's talk about what VPN's are actually good for" and then I get an ad "10 reasons to buy a VPN"

[@joevegaxv]

I don't believe people still browse the net in 2021 without an adblocker too. Use vanced KZbin if you're on Android.

[@ellie7077]

@@joevegaxv vanced KZbin is a life saver

[@Plasmy271]

Vanced KZbin?

[@Orchidlettux]

@@joevegaxv Le sigh, I’m broke asf. Plus I’ve got nothing worthwhile anyway

[@fusrosandvich3738]

for the type of person who doesn't like looking up stuff out of curiosity in case they accidentally get put on a list, what is vanced youtube?

[@Calajese]

VPNs, only useful for torrenting, but useless if you live somewhere where ISPs and the government just doesn't care if you torrent.

[@Calajese]

@Odin Son If it's from a service (e.g. Netflix) just download it, way better experience then whatever shitty web experience they offer

[@Calajese]

@Akira a good side effect of this country being a shithole

[@Calajese]

@@SteveVedder122 agreed, fuck Brazil

[@avisekhghosh2757]

@@SteveVedder122 i love how u ended up like that. I wouldn't even mind if you say to me fuck India like that

[@RamkrishanYT]

Also porn, if it's banned in your country, like mine

[@captainwobbly7617]

Would have been the funniest thing ever if at the end he said “Thanks for listening, but before you go let me tell you about today’s sponsor NordVPN.”

[@michaelsbasement]

1:16 In this image it looks the vpn is actually sending your data to hackers lmao

[@tronche2cake]

ikr

[@helpfulapple3125]

It looks like the shield (the VPN) is blocking the red glow (the hackers). But yeah, it does look a lot like they’re sending it to them...

[@mell0w87]

I didn't even realize it wasn't until I read this comment :/

[@yipyap6161]

The porcupine's brother is spying on his internet activity....

[@fanime1]

Lol

[@dominicsacoolguy]

I've noticed a lot of VPN ads have shifted focus to the region locking thing, likely because that's the main thing an average consumer will understand and it's one of the few things someone who knows what they're talking about can't refute.

[@coolwin7710]

VPNs are not made for the "average consumer" they are made for people that have some sort of understanding on how networking works. The "average consumer" doesn't know what an IP is or how a VPN routes your traffic. A vpn provider could say "We don't keep Logs" and when you read their TOS or the fine print they say that they do.

[@gamermapper]

What about travel to China

[@Lowlightt]

@@coolwin7710 You are seriously underestimating the effort of these ad campaigns. The average consumer has seen a VPN add enough times to recite it by now. As such they have just enough knowledge to think they need it. This is what happens when you run adds everywhere all the time like this.

[@coolwin7710]

@@Lowlightt The problem is that VPN ads spread misinformation, such as the fact that you can protect your privacy online. When you create an account with a VPN, chances are you are asked for an attribute that connects to your real identity. VPN ads state that a VPN is a magic tool that will protect your privacy and they are right and wrong. For example, if you use a VPN for gaming, you are increasing your security and privacy by hiding your IP address to prevent DDOS attacks and doxxing. However, if you sign up for a social media account on main platforms, you will be asked for a phone number, which is linked to your identity, which defeats the whole purpose.

[@renno2679]

"When KZbin Money Isn't Enough" For people who have it as a full time job, it really isn't, especially nowadays.

[@hornyfuckinturtle]

Then it isn't a job, it's a hoby

[@averiethechicken]

@@hornyfuckinturtle that’s like saying people who work at McDonald’s full time, who can’t afford rent, are doing it as a hobby. Its not a hobby. Working in media is a very important job, its inspires millions, it keeps you entertained and happy. KZbinrs spend so much time and effort to keep us happy, there isn’t enough time in the day to get a “real job” and still produce videos with good value. Its not their fault KZbin punishes them for stupid stuff, like swearing, or very strict copyright laws. Horror/true crime channels suffer so bad, even though they give such good content.

[@hornyfuckinturtle]

@@averiethechicken the only reason mcdonalds can get away with paying people next to nothing is because people agree to being paid next to nothing. It's their own fault for chosing something that doesn't pay the bills.

[@averiethechicken]

@@hornyfuckinturtle bruh you say that but still eat at restaurants. Those are jobs that we NEED, McDonald’s is a global franchise who can afford to pay there workers more, but don’t. But yeah, keep telling them its their fault.

[@hornyfuckinturtle]

@@averiethechicken you don't need to work or eat at restaurants. Make your own meals. It is their fault. They agree to not being paid, ensuring mcdonalds doesn't need to increase the pay to attract people to work

[@degiguess]

Glad to finally see someone articulating something that I've thought about a lot but never discussed because I didn't feel like I had enough knowledge to act like an authority on the topic. It's always amazed me how a handful of KZbin ad campaigns are enough to convince the average person that a VPN is practically as vital to your security as an anti-virus.

[@apreviousseagle836]

Anti-virus isn't really that vital to your security either. What people really need, is to have backups of their important data, offline, locked in a cabinet, and get into a routine of doing differential backups weekly.

[@apreviousseagle836]

@Bvcv I vfv Well then, dude, you have nothing to worry about. Have your Windows CD ready and blow it all away and reinstall Windows anytime you have a problem.

[@ysqys2176]

A VPN is practically as vital to your security as norton anti-virus

[@degiguess]

@@ysqys2176 completely false

[@thundercockjackson]

anti what now? you mean the defrag tool?

[@A_Box]

Also useful for browsing NSFW content while on campus wifi.

[@alface935]

FBI Enters The VPN Chat: Did You Miss Me?

[@whuddup1249]

Wait wha-

[@tenforty524]

tom scott?

[@realcartoongirl]

lmao i would rather use celluar and vpn

[@A_Box]

@@realcartoongirl VPN is enought, you just want to get through the firewall. Also unless you are using the phone as a hotspot, you are stuck with a tiny screen and awkward keyboard.

[@spleen387]

Everyone seems to forget (or doesn't know) that VPNs are also good for playing games that only support LAN multiplayer. Which is closer to the original intended use of VPNs

[@funkdefied1]

But do VPN companies like Nord VPN make that possible? My work has its own VPN that lets employees connect their home computers as if they were on our LAN. But it’s not a big, international VPN like Nord. It’s just a free service our router offers.

[@Herkan97]

When I was young, it was Tunngle and Hamachi or something like that. Seldom did the latter work. I don't know if games nowadays release in such a way that those methods work anymore. The most common one we used it for was Warcraft 3 before Reforged. A lot of port forwarding talk and such that made hosting and joining a hassle. It was probably our modems all that time, because they were from the ISP itself and they're not known for being good. But use Tunngle and those problems ceased to be. Others can also join, so it's like the logged in option, except everything works. But the best thing about LAN working with something like Tunngle, is that you can go back and play the old version. Legally you can't or at least legally you can't get the old game anymore, probably. Piracy as always being the way to preserve games, old and new.

[@Zorgdub]

"A lot of these youtubers, they don't know much about VPNs." That's why the only one I listened to on the topic was Tom Scot. Dude knows what he's talking about.

[@just-mees]

the most underrated feature of vpns is accessing blocked sites on school/campus

[@pwrsocket]

Wait, they can block sites just with their wifi?

[@just-mees]

@@pwrsocket of course?

[@just-mees]

@@SkyenNovaA enjoy waiting 10 seconds for any webpage made after 2005 to load

[@pwrsocket]

@@just-mees i didnt know that

[@coca-coladog2242]

The only reason I would use a vpn is for watching Netflix

[@scott-ry4cj]

same

[@BRAZILIAN_MIKU]

Same, when I really need VPN for seeing something, I use the opera gx free one

[@rosheafan]

True, they remove the pokemon animes except for the first one and the one that's newest at the time, and the one before it, so the unova anime is gone which means i cant cringe at stupid ash and "yOu'Re SuCh A kId".

[@m-pc5334]

@@rosheafan wait there’s more than the first season of the first anime and sun and moon?

[@rosheafan]

@@m-pc5334 journeys

[@dacho707]

virgin western VPN user vs Chad Balkan Torrenter

[@HeyaGlizzy]

I am Chad Balkan Torrenter

[@dacho707]

@@HeyaGlizzy based

[@HeyaGlizzy]

@@dacho707 hah I'm literally from the Balkan and I'm torrenting since I was 8 so I would consider myself quite the chad, no VPN ddos me will ya when I'm downloading my Minecraft torrent

[@dacho707]

@@HeyaGlizzy where from balkan? od kade si?

[@HeyaGlizzy]

@@dacho707 Iz Hrvatske

[@fritzophrenia3146]

I feel like there's this sort of gentleman's agreement between youtubers and viewers that ads shouldn't be taken too seriously. It allows creators to make additional income, which I'm on board with, and viewera simply acknowledge this and do not buy the product

[@cliffordwagner]

I hate KZbin/Google, but I pay for KZbin premium so that the people I watch get paid, and I don't have to suffer through the pointless waste of my consciousness.

[@g.ricepad9470]

I don’t like this kinda stuff of “gentleman’s agreement” when there are minors watching

[@serfraust]

@@g.ricepad9470 if I was smart enough to not fall for this junk when I was 7 years of age, surely teenagers can do the same.

[@Leap623]

Sure, generally speaking, but I don't think companies would keep spending on these adds after all these years if it wasn't profitable to do so, so there has to be a sizeable-enough group of people falling for it.

[@blorglord]

@@serfraust your singular experience does not define probability chances for an entire demographic. there are more people with less strength than you that would fall victim to this. get off your high horse.

[@zdavzbr]

Long story short: using a VPN is the easiest and most reliable way to reasonably secure yourself in the internet (together with an antivirus of course) but all that security can go down the drain if something happens with the service itself

[@bruh.5620]

yeah why is everyone hating on vpn, it still works, just not as good as they say.

[@precisodeumvulgo]

i think you missed the point

[@SimonBuchanNz]

Umm no. Long story short: you don't need a VPN.

[@Nikolaos-Koemtzis]

Mutahar always says, you don't need an antivirus. Just don't visit suspicious web-sites.

[@helgenlane]

Long story short: VPN is only good for piracy and region locked content.

[@pinkiepingas]

How ironic, I got an ExpressVPN ad while opening this video...

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

That's not irony it's simply the adsense working.

[@Assault_Butter_Knife]

>not using adblock

[@tacticalguy6473]

@@Assault_Butter_Knife >phone

[@SibaNL]

@@tacticalguy6473 >vanced

[@tacticalguy6473]

@@SibaNL how can i not get fucked by OEM lock?

[@coldspade1590]

the first time i consciously clicked on a video because of the thumbnail

[@FrenkTheJoy]

The ad script some of the youtubers use is so stupid. They'll be like "I like to do my work in coffee shops" when they're living in a giant-ass two-story house that has at least 3 bedrooms in it because they're always switching up which room they're filming in, and like how fucking worried are you about the "creepy guy typing away in the coffee shop stealing your data" when they're just writing a script?? Also I'm like 99% sure that using a vpn to watch some other country's Netflix selection is illegal, but they're just advertising it like it's a cool feature. I just used a recommended vpn from r/piracy to download torrents without my isp noticing.

[@fastertrackcreative]

You know sometimes the rooms might be sets, right? Which means the same space could be redressed to have different looks. Pelagea basically created a fake bed for a set.

[@TheMasterUnity]

Don’t care if that Netflix shit is illegal, I want to watch a good show damn it

[@silverhand861]

Don't think it's illegal to use a vpn for Netflix, but it most definitely breaches their terms of service

[@eljanrimsa5843]

@@silverhand861 Lol, knowingly breaking a contract is illegal.

[@silverhand861]

@@eljanrimsa5843 well, that's true. Otherwise they couldn't sue and actually enforce the ToE. Rare occurrence though

[@reinathefox6600]

This has really got me thinking in the trust we have with companies.

[@ovencake523]

we must seize the means of encryption

[@reinathefox6600]

@@ovencake523 the plan

[@ovencake523]

@@reinathefox6600 how many years will the plan take?

[@reinathefox6600]

@@ovencake523 I don’t know, it’s all on what you want. Ask me again in a month

[@reinathefox6600]

@kracc bacc Always double check, and if it helps. Check out competitors or opposition and formulate your own opinions on the companies. Nord got me first too, but then it also matters I learned about like he talked on. It matters where the data servers are held. Honestly, cyber laws are wonky

[@m.sierra5258]

I feel like you forgot the most important part: if you are behind a router, it has a NAT and firewall that prevents unwanted connections to your pc. With a VPN you completely bypass the firewall and give the VPN provider unfiltered access to your PCs ports. I trust my Fritz Box more than all the VPN providers.

[@clared5812]

What’s a fritz box?

[@gracelandtoo6240]

@@clared5812 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz!Box

[@freedustin]

...did you disable Windows Firewall or what? Firewall is software, whether is running on router or PC doesn't matter its the same thing.

[@mikeymladi9279]

And I rather wanna go on icognito mode than paying like 5-10€ for a vpn..

[@xBunniesHeartx]

@@freedustin it isnt the same thing. router firewalls and software firewalls are different. windows firewall can be disabled, yes, but the protective firewall measures of a router is an entirely different thing. please use google before you try telling someone they're wrong.

[@kutaoizumi4189]

I never bought the whole "now nobody can read and store your precious data!" Like, you're paying a company to handle your data...how's that any different from NOT using a VPN? I don't wanna be the guy that says that companies are evil or something, but c'mon! You shouldn't be trusting a company to THAT degree when it comes to such things. Of course they're gonna use your data somehow, everyone does!

[@chili1440]

yeah like you need to sign up with your email which is still user data. even if they’re not selling it they’re still USING IT to set up your account

[@lolschrauber]

Shifting trust is the key term. People aren't aware of this usually, but "your evil government can't see it" is usually enough to convince people

[@ArtemisKitty]

Thank you SO MUCH for this. I'll definitely be referring people to your video, as you explain it a lot better than I do. I've been a network technician (certified at one time or in all of the big 3, with MCSE/MCSA being the only one I kept up with really) for a few decades, and while yes, I DO absolutely love VPNs for what they are... that's just it. I know what they are and what they aren't BECAUSE I have used them for work. The average consumer has no clue. Most of these ads so blatantly misrepresent what they are and can do that it makes me twitch.

[@InverseOfficial]

"Don't Trust VPN Ads" *literally gets a VPN ad before the video begins*

[@dabigdadyz]

how to keep yourself secure: use vpn use tor use vm *USE NEIGHBOURS WIFI*

[@iamtrash288]

I know it's a joke but still, it's a very dangerous thing to do

[@erenwayne]

You really possess some strange kind of power and balls to do so.

[@vineeth3170]

what is vm?

[@iamtrash288]

@@vineeth3170 virtual machine

[@erenwayne]

@@vineeth3170 Virtual machine

[@BabusGameRoom]

I got so many ads for VPNs and internet security while watching this video. I love irony. The last one was hilarious, it started with a dude watching his money drain from his online bank account like a pinball high score in reverse while sound effects from Space Invaders played.

[@milan8037]

I want to use this moment to thank you here, because I really considered to pay for a VPN service to protect data. The thing is, I have barely any knowledge about topics like this and usually the only sources explaining that to me want to advertise it(aka misinformation) or are just too complicated for me to understand since I'm about as techsavvy as a 102 years old great grandma. So thanks for putting information in easy to understand terms for people like me, it helps more than you might think :D

[@MACA_Zeon]

102 damn!

[@milan8037]

@@MACA_Zeon obviously not 102 but I'm about as techsavvy as I imagine a 102 years old person to be 🤔

[@flyingstonemon3564]

@@MACA_Zeon Milan the Millenium Learner... Final boss of tech support jobs

[@KevinRAAMAAAGE]

I don't care about internet Historian advertising, I just like his ad cinematic universe. I almost never skip his ads. Nord man was just resurrected, so that'll be good. I honestly don't know how he gets those approved.

[@KeshiaRambles]

You should see Commentiquette's ads, then

[@Youcifer]

@@KeshiaRambles those are great, too

[@narobii9815]

Huh, seems like a lot of fear mongering exists within security market. Kinda reminds me of mcaffe and norton being largely not different from the prebuilt stuff most systems we have today.

[@bjorntantau194]

They're even worse. Basically every piece of running software increases the chance of one of them having a security vulnerability. And in order to work malware scanners have to run with system privileges. So when one of them has a vulnerability a piece of malware can target that and easily gain entrance to your system. This has happened in the past and will keep happening.

[@pioneer_ten]

SPEAKING of mcaffe, my laptop (an hp laptop i got from my grandma) keeps getting mcaffe popups. every time i turn it on. sometimes ill be playing creatures of sonaria and trying to run from a jot or smth and BOOM, mcaffe popup preventing me from moving my mouse until i interact with it and tell it no like 50 times.

[@sebastiang7394]

That’s just not true. Nowadays that windows has its own anti malware scanner that works very well yes it’s kind of true, because Windows Defender does a very good job and replacing it with another anti virus isn’t going to help. But in general anti virus is very good at detecting known malware. Which is 99%+ of attacks an average consumer and most companies will face. Even most complicated attacks will eventually just upload and execute a piece of known malware to your computer or server. So even if the actual vulnerability isn’t patched it adds a layer of protection. The thread of facing an attack that will leverage your anti malware is very small compared to the chance that it will stop a known malware from running. There is a reason a lot of liability insurance will require anti malware software. Yes anti malware isn’t very helpful against very targeted attacks by skilled hackers but that’s just something most companies and private persons don’t face. Security is always relative it’s not absolute and it’s a cost/benefits calculation. Every bike lock can be broken in seconds with the right tools. But yet you wouldn’t claim that locking your bike Is useless. Now if your running a Linux desktop antivirus is not needed because common viruses are just not developed for Linux because it has too few users so it’s not worth the effort for malware authors. It’s a different story for servers actually anti malware does a decent job of detecting bitcoin mining scripts, php shells and a lot of other stuff hackers will upload to Linux servers.

[@1996Pinocchio]

There is a way to see if they keep logs or not: Wait until the FBI asks them to hand out the logs, and then seeing them not being able to comply. You just have to wait until they make that request public

[@eljanrimsa5843]

Lol, they are not allowed to make anything public when they comply with government requests and hand out data to the FBI.

[@Alexander-vo4gv]

I love the thumbnail but the only reason I use a VPN is torrenting anime I can't get on crunchyroll premium.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

I mean theres plenty of pirate streaming sites, with better user experience than crunchyroll and isps never give a shit about so no vpn needs there

[@stankymcspanky7906]

Check out Aniwatch. You gotta provide an email address to make an account but it’s got the best UI and there’s absolutely no ads.

[@ZVLIAN]

@@V2ULTRAKill yeah exactly

[@engineerxero7767]

@@stankymcspanky7906 I personally use fastani, but hey, that’s pretty cool

[@hutek4202]

You don’t need to torrent anime there are quite a few websites that stream it for free

[@fsLeg]

You should also add that using VPN for circumventing geo lock is oftentimes against the service's ToS, so your account on, say, Netflix will get eventually banned (there are cases of that already) with no refund. Also, Tom Scott talked about this topic (don't remember the date, could be after this video). He was reached by a VPN provider, reviewed what he was supposed to say, made some changes not unlike what you made this video about, and the VPN provider refused to sponsor him with this modified pitch.

[@everythingiseconomics9742]

There are cases of that already? There are? Can you show us a single one?

[@fsLeg]

@@everythingiseconomics9742 I can, but links aren't allowed here. One of a few artists I follow on Twitter had his Crunchyroll account banned specifically for the use of VPN. I highly doubt he's the only one.

[@TwoBs]

@@fsLeg That’s CrunchyRoll, though … you said Netflix. However, your point still _kinda_ stands, but I believe the ban isn’t solely for using a VPN unless the termination message of the account specifically states it as being the reason (which I haven’t seen yet). You have to remember: streaming sites with a monthly subscription check and log where your account is signing in from/accessing it. Ever sign up for something and later get a notification stating “a new device has logged in from (city, country)”? Most sites keep tabs on that stuff. When you sign up for these sites and enter payment information for the services, there’s usually a system in place to keep tabs on where you’re signing up from and they monitor where your devices connect from. For instance, mine will always show 2-3 certain devices that is connected from a local town that the IPs will always point to (a general area). It’s been that way for 8-9 years. Now if I start using a VPN and changing it to a different country every time I go to watch something, and start accessing the other profiles on the account from other countries through that VPN, as well, then the system isn’t going to flag me from using a VPN. The system is going to think my account has been “hacked” with my login information being abused. Continuously doing that and never having my usual IP on that account again is a good way to get the account removed, which is what I think these companies are doing instead. They don’t _know_ specifically what VPN you’re using or if you’re even using one. They’re just gonna’ think your account is no longer a yours and taking measure to lock said account. Forgot to add: The majority of VPNs are using banned IPs. That’s one way they’ll know (the only way they’ll really even know). If you’re using a VPN that a lot of others use and you connect to an IP they’ve banned, then yeah, they’ll think “VPN” or “abuse of the account login” or do a combo of the two and terminate. Lesson: stop using shitty VPNs. People saying they’ve been banned probably log in from the banned IPs using “free” VPNs and do it so often.

[@gertjan1710]

@@fsLeg You can include links by removing the h t t p s : / / part

[@utterlyumbral3694]

@@TwoBs lmao enjoy that nord money shill

[@goldenratio_phhia]

my mom said I spent too much time sitting down so for this whole video I was also dancing great video btw! thank you for making it, I didn't know any of this so it was really informative!!!

[@dhwwiiexpert]

Modern Problems require Modern Solutions.

[@OrangeIncarnate]

If you start to see any ad frequently just consider how much money those ads cost and as such how much they must be ripping you off to make those ads worth it

[@Hotsaucebauce3943]

Me playing raid shadow legends with raycon earbuds on nord vpn with a ridge wallet and while chugging g fuel while audible is playing in the background

[@bitchwormpuddin1499]

dude you forgot to wear your raycons and listen to audible while gaming.

[@Felixr2]

Using optimal multitasking methods learned via skillshare

[@nou4898]

and your physics course from brilliant

[@HaidaWay]

The only affect a VPN has is telling a hacker "this guy has a VPN. He's not really from Tulsa. Not like knowing his city fucking mattered anyways."

[@NetralFN]

Lol

[@alexandervowles3518]

Effect*

[@prime_optimus]

Or not getting caught pirating from a torrent website.

[@bonkmaykr]

roblox: source of good memes also roblox: anticheat does not work on Linux

[@bonkmaykr]

@Ayaan K this too. my friends used to cheat on roblox all the time

[@iuploadsometimes]

@Ayaan K WAIT ROBLOX'S ANTICHEAT IS KERNEL LEVEL???

[@encrypt3d587]

yo wait it doesn't? might have to load roblox back up :o

[@fustiian]

yeah it’s actually cringe. you’re trying to play a Lego game and their anticheat is dum

[@bonkmaykr]

roblox ceo said there would be a Linux port 7 years ago that would eliminate anticheat issues It's 2020 and that still hasn't happened

[@Wkterr]

Everything said in this video is stuff I've been saying for years. A VPN isn't a magic bullet to make you hidden or anonymous. Having a completely anonymous connection is incredibly difficult. Even setting up a VPN server yourself isn't enough (you still have to pay for hosting somehow, and even if you pay using an anonymous cryptocurrency like Monero, it still won't do your anonymity any good if you're the only person who uses that VPN server).

[@Brrrrrrrrrrrt]

Im disappointed that this video wasnt sponsered by a vpn...

[@urhsusnikvrecic1478]

I just realized how much the danish flag looks like super smash bros logo lol

[@Brrrrrrrrrrrt]

@@urhsusnikvrecic1478 yea ik right?

[@ranfonaforanafo1601]

@@urhsusnikvrecic1478 lol

[@cupcakewithouttheicing]

So glad someone else made a video about this and that, based on recent comments and the fact that I also got it in my recommended, more and more people are seeing this. Tom Scott made a great video about this a while ago too, and ever since watching that I always roll my eyes when KZbinrs (even those I like) do VPN sponsorships

[@DWN037]

The video: knocking on VPNs for 11 minutes Every ad, every time, without fail: #1 VPN this holiday season

[@ADreamingTraveler]

What's crazy is NordVPN had a security flaw and even when people became aware of it their sponsors still kept recommending it even though the security flaws were active for months after

[@coolwin7710]

Finally someone that understands what a VPN is. A VPN is useful for going on sketchy servers, mainly anarchy Minecraft servers or GTA 5 lobbies. They also don't mention that VPNs give you second class citizen status on the internet. You can't play on a lot of servers simply by having a VPN, also websites will constantly ask for a phone number. Also, VPNs are primary used by Pirates that want to ignore DMCA strikes. Companies or server owners use VPNs to add an extra layer of security. However, VPN ads on KZbin state that if you use a VPN that tech companies won't be able to keep your data is simply false advertising.

[@bfkbfk1]

This was really informative, I usually only use VPN for changing location in regards to media but understanding the lack of anonymity and tracker protection is useful

[@dorukhan8707]

One of the best channel on KZbin definitely, I always open your videos knowing I won't get bored and often even get some good knowledge. :))

[@baconaterlover5399]

This definitely needs more views. I’ve seen too many sponsored segments where they spout out the same dribble when talking about vpns and it sounds way too similar to company talk for my liking. The only time I used a vpn was to access Reddit on my schools wifi back in high school lol, don’t really see another reason to use it.

[@pwrsocket]

piracy, shady business, unblock sites, and watch region lockde stuff.

[@Grace-tg4oy]

I have been suspicious of vpns once I noticed that yters who had any tech knowledge (some ordinary gamers, that guy who trolls scammers, etc.) would never have a vpn sponsor.

[@ultimategohan1551]

I just watched a video of his and think he had von sponsor lmao

[@facegh0stschannel449]

Got 2 ads for VPNs while watching this. What a gem.

[@cunningham.s_law]

with tls 1.3 you can now do encypted dns so the isp does not know with website you visit the Chinese gov banned tls 1.3

[@nostep3966]

aaaand now you're shifting the trust to cloudflare or whoever you are using for encrypted dns.

[@ILovePancakes24]

@@nostep3966 better than naked dns

[@bitnatures]

​@@nostep3966 DNS always required some sort of trust from a user point of view, even if you run your own recursive resolver. All TLS does on DNS is encrypt the information between you and the DNS server. There are many more indie DNS providers that also provide TLS. The problem with HTTPS is that certificates are controlled by a central entity rather than client-server based. I find that TLS without a central authority is much better albeit less convenient.

[@nostep3966]

@@ILovePancakes24 your isp will still see where you are going as after your dns server gives you the ip you are looking for you will go to that ip through your isp. All you have done is make it so both your isp, and the provider you chose for dns have logs of your activity. Use a vpn instead with their dns and then you are at least down to one entity to trust

[@jordangone9729]

My ISP can see my search results? How embarrassing and scary.

[@danw1955]

Heh heh, thank you for this. I trust my Firefox 'add-on' VPN more than I trust Nord or any of those other commercial outfits. How long did it take them to finally admit they had a data breach? 6 or 8 months or more? What a joke. Anyway, if you want to be relatively anon, the TOR network is about the only way to even get close.

[@dogeteam2235]

really? they had a data breach loool

[@vovabars1234]

doge team 2 those mfs are incompetent

[@des-oe1vl]

Tor is really good, I trust it more than any advertised or paid service VPN anytime.

[@cynderbueno]

There was no data breach fam

[@eljanrimsa5843]

i agree. if you want to do something anonymously, don't give your credit card info to a 3rd party because you saw an ad on the internet

[@zyansheep]

What if we made something like tor, except everyone is an entrance and exit node. and DNS packets are handled separately so as to not send them over the internet unencrypted.

[@egg5474]

bandwidth would be the main issue, a 5mb average upload speed can't sustain much, you're in an extremely small minority if your yours is 50mb or higher. You could probably make it work with enough users but that would be way more than the onions we have right now

[@wilfridtaylor]

The only problem with that is you would have people doing all kinds of dodgy stuff from your ip and you have no control over it. Just ask anyone who runs a tor exit node the problems they run into.

[@zyansheep]

@@wilfridtaylor yeah... I guess ip addresses would be reversable even if you are sending stuff over https. Every website would have to implement tor hidden node functionality.

[@MrCoconutMadness]

Firefox now supports dns over https

[@satibel]

the problem is that you need to ask the server for whole files (unless you want half a website), so time correlation attacks are still a thing, since the server can log which entry points got the data, and then you could correlate which time packets of the same size got to the isp and now it may even be easier since you need less data. you might wanna look at the etherum network which might be capable of such since data isn't stored on a single server. also you still run into the freedom dilemma since making hiding easy for regular people is also making it easy for bad actors (though there's a fine line between heroic resistance and terrible terrorism.)

[@PhoenixLive_YT]

That thumbnail tho

[@JodyBruchon]

Idiots: "VPNs maintain your privacy!" Me: "Cookies...cookies, idiots..."

[@skwizzzb3904]

idiots can't digest information unless it is presented like its an apple ad or somethin

[@ImNotQualifiedToSayThisBut]

Get a cookie blocking extension

[@vovabars1234]

Skwizzz B exactly

[@-Burb]

Use incognito mode and your cookies will be deleted when you exit

[@isotetra1912]

@@skwizzzb3904 I can digest cookies so take that

[@oscwavcommentaccount]

You can setup a VPN on a VPS. But then you're shifting your trust to that VPS provider unless there is no way for them to get info about the instance.

[@112BALAGE112]

Physical access = full access. If you rent a server, you must place complete trust in the hands of the owner.

[@satibel]

you could get multiple vps and randomize endpoints but that's not much better

[@KSPAtlas]

Not really an option when you host a web server, a Gemini server and an XMPP server all on 512mb RAM

[@RainytheNB]

There's no reason to pay for a VPN when TOR is completely free.

[@anthrazite]

Tor is pretty fkn slow tho sadly

[@fe1ip3]

@@anthrazite Gota go fast

[@MobyTheLion]

@@anthrazite least it's alot better then internet explorer

[@diggerman7022]

Connecting to TOR is very obvious in your internet logs, it makes you look really suspicious and could make your ISP keep a closer eye on you. Mostly because of pirating but also because of black market contraband.

[@thatonepersonwhoeatscheese7348]

a lot of websites block tor

[@vimicito]

This video absolutely nails it when it comes to commercial VPN companies. I run my own VPN servers using WireGuard on Hetzner. It's actually quite easy to get WireGuard running, once you consider these "peers" to be nothing but client/server in the actual client/server model. But while I do run my own VPN's, privacy or security was never part of my threat model. My goal was to string my own local networks together over the internet. Now, running my own VPN's over multiple VPN routers (which are not the same as those combo routers!) made me ask some questions. With my own VPN where I can always choose to route everything over a network I control, does the network I connect to still matter? My answer turned out to be no, with a caveat. My reason for this is not the ISP or the website knowing who I am. It is the operator of that network itself knowing who I am, and what devices I use. And that... Well, the VPN will still only be active after the local network. My setup was a router device that would expose a Wi-Fi access point, do DHCP and DNS, route it all to the host, and then run a VPN on top of that. This gives the operator of the host network very little info over who you are, short of MAC and hostname (DHCP sends this out I believe). Your own VPN can give you confidence over your network properties, commercial VPN meanwhile delegates that to people like me, those who actually run the VPN. Now, I do not do this commercially, don't even bother asking. This is just for myself, to string networks together. Peer-to-peer connectivity is enabled, most commercial VPN's don't do that. All they care about is that glorified tunnel, but that's not the point to me. It wasn't even the point of VPN's, full stop. Businesses were supposed to use it to string offices' networks together.

[@thekillersandvich1150]

when you complain about VPN ads but have crypto stuff in the description the irony is real

[@OrangeOzarka]

yeah only took me like 20 minutes of comment scrolling to see someone mention that

[@seeibe]

What irony?

[@justrandomotaku]

Nothing wrong with asking for a little support for the channel? Kinda like patreon? But maybe he doesn't want to pay platform fees and find crypto more secure

[@Kurayamiblack]

I think the irony is that he's explaining why you shouldn't trust VPN ads while simultaneously asking you to trust your information to crypto, since you have to give ALOT of personal data before being able to use it instead of anonymously sending him direct money.

[@seeibe]

@@Kurayamiblack He actually has a full video up explaining how you can use crypto anonymously. Personally all my crypto is mined, for instance, so I could easily use it to donate without sharing any private data.

[@ape69420]

True you don't know if VPN services are logging your traffic. I would recommend PIA for VPN usage, since someone was brought to court and hacked something trough PIA VPN with a PIA ip. The court demanded the logs from PIA but they where like we don't log anything. Judge "insert black dude saying BRUH here" the charge where dropped because of insufficient proof. So PIA was really proven not to log anything.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

Also can be purchased via pre paid gift cards.

[@KaoruMzk]

I find it funny how most of these VPNs sponsorships mention how you can unlock other region's Netflix. Netflix, at least the American one, blocks most VPN servers; the two big ones that you keep seeing on KZbin are particularly useless if you want to access it.

[@DrakeDaraitis]

It’s worth noting that you can tell in some cases if a VPN company keeps logs if they comply with subpoenas. There’s a name for the wording on a company’s website that basically shows they haven’t complied and if that wording goes away, that means they complied.

[@Xplasma1]

I think using a VPN makes you more of a target. Your video touches on this, but here's my reasons: I think every major form of encryption has a government backdoor. In fact I would be extremely surprised if it didn't. Using a VPN puts you in a much smaller pool of users, which is easier to search through. I think in most cases you're safer using your regular internet connection, because your traffic is part of a massive global pool of billions and billions of connections, and even with A.I. assistance there is so much traffic to look through that someone would need to have motivation to go after you specifically. So, unless you're already on somebody's list, you have security through obscurity.

[@maxthexpfarmer3957]

I’m pretty sure most encryptions are open-source, so it would be extremely difficult for a government to get or hide a back door to it without a quantum computer.

[@Xplasma1]

​@@maxthexpfarmer3957 Far as you know. Yet what you know is what you've been told. You don't really know what's going on in your computer. All you know, is what its user interface tells you. Like you probably didn't know that Windows had had NSA backdoors in it since the days of Windows 95. The root servers that are the backbone of the internet are US based, and it's pretty much a guarantee that the three letter intelligence agencies have accesses and protocols that we don't know about.

[@arodd2892]

I think you should just research the encryption schemes. All it is is math and probabilities of breaking can be calculated to be very small depending on the algorithm. What you’re talking about is insecurity of other aspects of a computer not the encryption scheme itself.

[@proloycodes]

@@maxthexpfarmer3957 and thats why, dear readers, you should not talk about stuff you know nothing about.

[@chenkaichuang8305]

Encryption doesn't work like that, the government can't backdoor math.

[@Gornius]

> Purchases VPN subscription > Proceeds to immediately log in into their: Facebook, Google etc. > MUH PRIVATE INTERNET

[@mac1991seth]

Also no MFA, remember password, use my social media for Disqus everywhere, same e-mail to every social media, forum, streaming service and a coup de grace Googling instead of Ducking in a not-private-mode.

[@tribot_leader]

@@mac1991seth whats a mfa

[@mac1991seth]

@@tribot_leader Multi factor authentication. Sometimes also called 2fa.

[@Bond2025]

Stupid people do that using Tor too!

[@antikommunistischaktion]

It amazes me VPNs don't advertise on the actual merits that they provide like public WiFi access points or Bittorrent.

[@ginogatash4030]

Well they do advertise on accessing region locked content.

[@Solvernia]

They do though

[@antikommunistischaktion]

@@Solvernia They don't though. Some do actually advertise the public WiFi argument heavily but anything involving P2P they hide on their site, it's never an advertised feature.

[@chasefreedman14]

Absolutely amazing thumbnail, that is godly

[@autumnmatthews3179]

All I use my VPN for is porn so at least I guess they won’t know which category I go to, just that it’s porn. I can live with that

[@Florida_Cracker]

P-DaFile detected

[@RoastedToastedPoops]

@@Florida_Cracker with that pfp I'd wager he is zoocuck

[@Jester4460]

Uhhhhhhhhhh :/

[@Florida_Cracker]

@@RoastedToastedPoops they all go into the blender

[@sectorsweep14]

@@RoastedToastedPoops not just any zoophile, a troon zoophile 🤢

[@DREADFALCON13]

What good are VPNs when we're entering an age of the consequences of No Privacy on the Internet whatsoever.

[@emilydavidson8844]

Yea cuz ddosing isn’t a thing

[@emilydavidson8844]

@@buffkangaroodog someone might ddos u so if you use a vpn your internet won’t cut out

[@emilydavidson8844]

@random wdym what? Someone could put ur ip in the chat if you destroy them in pot or smth, and then your vpn will protect you so everyone else doesn’t ddos u

[@mill4318]

@duskdancer 2 I know this is 9 months later, but are you still tired bro? You need a hug or smth?

[@Kynatosh]

Military grade encryption isn't this the same encryption as the https things

[@laurenconrad1799]

Thank you so much for this. Tom Scott did a similar video and I really appreciate both. I know how hard it can be to make this kind of video if you want to be a full time KZbinr for money. I’ve also noticed that recently, VPN sponsorships are touting their ability to get onto Canadian Netflix from the US and focusing less on the security features because the British Netflix access is the only useful thing they do anymore and the security features are kinda BS at this point.

[@Londobelle]

Thank you for this video, I always felt like there was something off about VPNs and this explained it really well to me.

[@danta3177]

I only use VPN when i play GTA Online and surfing on reddit My country banned Reddit and my ISP Banned Gta Online 😂😂😂😂😂

[@cakeisyummy5755]

Let me guess, You're Indonesian?

[@danta3177]

@@cakeisyummy5755 😂😂😂🤙

[@electrobot9871]

Redditor

[@niggacockball7995]

your country banned reddit? holy shit thats even weirder than my country banning pastebin

[@vgamedude12]

Banning reddit? Holy based

[@ironjohnson9443]

Brainlet here, wasn't there some wireguard thing in the 5.6 kernel that was supposed to 'revolutionize VPNs' or something to that effect?

[@hariranormal5584]

What? Did kernel 5.6 ever have that kinda implementation? Man i compile kernels blindly.

[@kilvesx7924]

doesn't really affect VPNs themselves, wireguard is just a better and faster implementation of the VPN protocol. The VPN service providers still work exactly the same way.

[@zehph]

Unless you use Mullvad or other provider that supports it wireguard won't change anything. But WireGuard looks really cool and more adherent to the unix philosophy

[@BartholomewBadrotten]

@@zehph Yep...Mullvad or TorGuard.

[@catpluhhh]

There are so many alternatives in nord, xpress, cyberghost and etc. is Tor, Softether, OpenVPN, Wireguard, SSH Injector (SSH, so slow as Tor or as fast as normal ISP; depends on your servers) note: softether and openvpn is pretty underrated and also wireguard...

[@Helladamnleet]

"Most VPS don't have an anonymous was to pay" >Shows Bitcoin as an option

[@neighbor472]

LakzerK3 doge coin bro :^)

[@vovabars1234]

Someone is gonna get BOGGED

[@user-lk2vo8fo2q]

@LakzerK3 there are many ways to purchase bitcoin anonymously

[@user-lk2vo8fo2q]

@LakzerK3 so you should have said "buying bitcoin anonymously is more difficult than buying it with a credit card" rather than "bitcoin is not really anonymous".

[@Maverekt]

This guys video on Monero explains BTC and anonymity

[@ForkedMan]

Ok KZbin, I finally watched it. You've been recommending this to me for a solid YEAR now even though I was never interested in VPNs in the first place. I swear this video would pop up at least a few times a week continuously. KZbin REALLY wanted me to see this. I never downloaded a VPN.

[@Benni1000games]

Small correction here. The user agent doesn't contain any of the stuff you mentioned. It only contains what version of what browser you're using. All the other data like installed adddons, screen Sizes and so on must be accessed using js APIs. Noscript solves most of that

[@lisar5005]

wow i´ve really felt pressured to purchase a VPN because it has literatly been everywhere and now I´m so thankful this video showed up in my recommendations