The Real Difference Between Franciscans and Dominicans W/ Fr. Gregory Pine

Fr. Pine shares his take on the differences and similarities between the Franciscan order and his own.
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[@worldonfire6154]

"The only Dominican I had met so far was St. Thomas Aquinas in a book" - you really are a Dominican, Father.

[@RobinPoe]

I converted to the Catholic Church out of an intellectual pursuit of the truth. God in His Providence sent me to the Dominicans. I think they were very helpful by their precise explanation of Doctrine. Is it any surprise that St. Thomas Aquinas is my favorite saint?

[@puglessmcarthur5613]

Precisely why I became interested in Catholicism. Most Protestantism in America seems so watered down, both in tradition and in teaching. I could study Catholic theology all my life and not even know half of it. An atheist once told me it is “truly the thinking man’s religion”.

[@guate4]

It would be a good idea to find out what God actually says.

[@lalaithan]

God saw where your gifts could be cultivated and used best. I'm a Lay Dominican. 😄

[@shoshishoshi127]

Same here. I love the way St. Thomas made theology more sophisticated and logical.

[@minimaxmiaandme.4971]

Me too, I converted because of the Catholic pursuit of knowledge, my faith grows every day because of the Catholic teachings...

[@aldobhary173]

Nice video. As a Franciscan friar I really appreciate this. It will be so good if you interview a Franciscan friar too.

[@antropatico]

I did all my schooling with franciscans and this is a treasure I received that is with me until today The Peace Prayer Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace; Where there is hatred, let me sow love; Where there is injury, pardon; Where there is error, the truth; Where there is doubt, the faith; Where there is despair, hope; Where there is darkness, light; And where there is sadness, joy. O Divine Master, Grant that I may not so much seek To be consoled, as to console; To be understood, as to understand; To be loved as to love. For it is in giving that we receive; It is in pardoning that we are pardoned; And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen.

[@sarahisatitagain]

This pray is so beautiful, but if I hear it as a song I will cry immediately. It moves me beyond explanations.

[@philryan3540]

Difference between Jesuits and Dominicans: Dominicans were formed to fight the Albigensian heresy, while the Jesuits were formed to fight the Protestant heresy. So which order is better? Let's just say when was the last time you have met an Albigensian?

[@franciscoscaramanga9396]

Yeah, man, great joke about genocide.

[@unam9931]

@@franciscoscaramanga9396 they killed Catholics

[@iammsmorales]

Bahahaha! Well done 😅

[@crossbearer6453]

@@franciscoscaramanga9396 If u mean of the ideology, then ok The ideology sounded like a fundamentalist cult which hurt people more than helped them

[@buffetlover458]

It seems like the Jesuits were formed to undermine the Church, they should go the way of the albigensians

[@zenodotusofathens2122]

Jew here. Very interesting discussion here about Dominicans and Franciscans. I always admired St. Francis. Don't know much about St. Dominic. Good interview.

[@zenodotusofathens2122]

@@ryanscottlogan8459 Not thinking of becoming a Catholic. I did go to a Jesuit school, Fu Jen Catholic University [in Taiwan]. I think there are lots of insights in different religions.

[@tradcatholicloyaltorome727]

@@zenodotusofathens2122 but Catholicism is the fulfillment of Judaism. Christ is the promise

[@zenodotusofathens2122]

@@tradcatholicloyaltorome727 Thank you for your kind thoughts Sir.

[@NGAOPC]

@@tradcatholicloyaltorome727 Christ is the fulfillment

[@tomforde6696]

As a Capuchin Franciscan I have studied alongside Dominicans, worked with a Dominican as my boss, and got my MA from a Dominican Institute. I found I agreed with Fr Pine but I would add that the Dominican Rule is the Rule of St Augustine while that of all Franciscans is that of Francis and they are very different. Dominicans, as Dominicans have told me, are essentially monastic in their structures whereas the Franciscans are not at all. In matters of thought I have heard that Dominican thought has emphasised the role of the intellect while Franciscan thought emphasises the role of the will. In addition we were right about the Immaculate Conception of our Lady.😉

[@EmmanueleCasadio]

👍🏻 yess😂

[@kyleenzler94]

Yes, but then again Duns Scotus was wrong on the Categories ;)

[@jennawilson2225]

At my first lay Dominican inquiry meeting, they said, "If you've met one Dominican, you've met one Dominican." It's something I wasn't expecting, but this helps explain that a bit, especially Matt's succinct remark about following the Rule vs following the man.

[@bengoolie5197]

You can't beat the "Dogs of God!" God bless the Dominicans.

[@iammsmorales]

Hounds of the Lord man! His faithful watchdogs! :D

[@sarahisatitagain]

Now you caught my curiosity. How they got that nickname? I googled it but the results are kinda... bad. I think you meant as a compliment right?

[@sarahisatitagain]

​@@iammsmorales can you help too?

[@iammsmorales]

@@sarahisatitagain it's a Latin pun, domini- canes (like canine) means "Lord's dogs" which sounds like Dominicanes which is Latin for "dominicans" :) so they acquired the name

[@sarahisatitagain]

@Bona Fide ohhhh. Dang it was kinda obvious. Can't believe I didn't get it hahaha thanks so much for explaining to me!

[@AbrahamFramirez-hr5zu]

Thanks Brothers in Christ , all my love to Franciscan and Dominicans brothers all around the world ❤ Proud to be Catholic

[@jansmith3613]

St. Francis of Assisi attempted to imitate the life of Christ in the fullest way he could. In keeping that commitment the Franciscans have, in their various orders, embodied just how diverse and necessary the seeking to understand Christ's life and sacrifice is and how it can manifest in diverse ways to meet a variety of needs.

[@johnnyg.5499]

A respectful joke here about the topic: WHAT ARE THE THREE THINGS GOD DOES NOT KNOW?? 1) WHAT THE JESUITS ARE DOING 2) WHAT THE DOMINICANS ARE THINKING 3) HOW MANY ORDERS OF FRANCISCAN NUNS THERE REALLY ARE I heard this decades ago......and still get a kick out of it!!

[@peterpatenaude6684]

Nice to see a mention of the Franciscan monastery in Kennebunk, Maine.

[@johncolumba7945]

Great interview. Nicely explained.

[@illuminatingmanuscripts1800]

Love the analysis, found it both illuminating and interesting, and ultimately learned quite a bit in a very short amount of time. Thank you for the knowledge.

[@Gyudles]

I grew up on the New England seacoast on the border between NH and ME. When I was a kid, St Anthony's Monastery in Kennebunkport was one of my favorite places to visit with my dad.

[@ryangray9971]

Thank you. Learned so much more about this order

[@soroushfetkovich5084]

Excellent explanation!

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Surprised there was no mention of how the Franciscans hold Christ to be a human person who is simultaneously divine while the Dominicans say that Christ is not a human person but rather a divine person with a human nature. Given the Council of Chalcedon's use of the term "miahypostasis", it would seem to favour the Franciscan phrasing. However, noone before St Thomas Aquinas could explain how Christ could be one person with two natures, which is why St Cyril of Alexandria spoke of one nature (miaphysis) of God the Word incarnate.

[@AnalogKid333]

I am familiar with the monastery in Kennebunk, Maine father spoke of. I’ve spent countless hours there.

[@francissweeney7318]

The Truth is always worth spreading.

[@lefooo]

It's an old story but, when Aquinas was asked by Lord what is it he wants for his great works, Aquinas told Him that he only wants Him. And Lord gave him franciscan spirituality. I just made that up but still...

[@flugzeug10]

Fr. Pine , you spoke very fast on this talk about the difference between S. Francis and our Fr. Dominic. However, I listened 3 times because looks you are very knowledgeable on the subject. Thank you very much. GOD bless.

[@RobinPoe]

The Dominicans taught me about the Catholic Faith, resulting in my conversion, so I'm on Team Dominican. Besides, my favorite Saint is a Dominican - Thomas Aquinas.

[@bobpolo2964]

All believer are saints of God, are they not?

[@Dankschon]

@@bobpolo2964 In potential but not in act. This means that by default, those who are in Christ are called to be saints, but lots of us can't quite achieve such status due to constant sinning.

[@bobpolo2964]

@@Dankschon Two questions: are you under the impression that the status of sainthood is earned? And can you name one believer that no longer commits acts of sin in behavior or attitude?

[@Dankschon]

@@bobpolo2964 From God, yes. No because that'd be in itself be a sin. Yet, the invitation that the Cross of Christ offers is to imitate, not to be perfect. Those who loves God the most, are the ones that God calls saints.

[@bobpolo2964]

@@Dankschon You're a saint if you love God the most? Where is this revealed in Scripture? I would like to study those texts

[@victoriapalferez-siri5952]

Good explanation

[@sarahisatitagain]

This was really nice but I was not expecting Count Dracula to pop up! Hahaha

[@carloscordova4715]

Could you get Fr Casey Cole on your show? That would be pretty cool.

[@georgesmith364]

yeah

[@stanleyhoover4244]

Thank you. Most informative. Holy Week Blessings. SGH, OFS

[@jamessheffield4173]

You know the joke. the Franciscans and Dominicans were fighting in heaven about who was greatest, so they decided to ask Jesus. Jesus responded by saying we are all equal signed by Your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, S.J. Pax Christi.

[@vh405]

Get Father John Hollowell on, Matt, please. Keep up the good work!

[@klausehrhardt4481]

There a lot of diferent forms of piety and devotion. No one can fulfill all of them. By reading a couple of books on the life of the Saints and the works of the Saints by themselves, one quickly comes to realize that. Most people look at catholicism from the perspective of Dogma, by wich one may picture it as monolith of doctrine, thus forgetting the huge variety of mindsets and disposition among them, specially at the medieval Scholastic period. After all, what the reason for so many councils? Under the label of catholic anyone may find much more than usually suspected at first sight.

[@Crandaddy81]

Another great one, as usual!! Next time you want to do a comparison between Dominicans and Franciscans, though, why don't you invite Fr. Casey Cole, OFM of the KZbin channel _Breaking_ _In_ _the_ _Habit_ to have a discussion with Fr. Pine?

[@StJosephsCreatineEnjoyer]

I agree, also nice profile pic! 👍🏻

[@Crandaddy81]

@@StJosephsCreatineEnjoyer Thanks, you have a pretty cool profile pic too, lol!

[@Trump-ld1qh]

@@Crandaddy81 what is your picture??

[@Crandaddy81]

@@Trump-ld1qh A Gustave Doré sketch of Dante and Beatrice gazing into the Beatific Vision from Dante's Divine Comedy.

[@emilyharrison631]

" don't know much about the Carmelites" lol, don't forget Benedictine

[@johnathanblauw2608]

I do love and deeply respect Fr. Gregory Pine, so definitely no shade, but I've got to say, as studious as he is, I'm surprised, saddened and slightly but charitably disappointed in his lack of information and story of the life of Saint Dominic. There are some beautiful and excellent writings and biographies that tell us of his life! He's my confirmation Saint, so I've tried to go out of my way to learn more of his story, and haven't read as much as I could or should, but I'm surprised that Fr. Gregory hasn't learned much of his hagiography

[@itssmorphintime8496]

Would you consider speaking with OFM Richard Rhor or OFM Casey? Those two are indirectly how I ended up to find your channel.

[@GuitarBloodlines]

hopefully not

[@messengersofdivinemercy]

But these are all technical terms.... For example the total number of Ordained Priests in the Franciscan Order will certainly go 4 times greater than the total number of Dominicans. Apart from all these differences they are Brothers... like Dominc and Francis were in deep Friendship..

[@Jkp1321]

I just look at it as Dominicans are educated teachers as the defenders of orthodoxy, especially as priests, and Franciscans are cool bearded hippy guys who make music and play basketball to evangelize and aid the poor

[@iammsmorales]

Good answer!

[@robertlehnert4148]

Old joke... How are Dominicans and Jesuits alike? Answer: Both are highly educated preaching and educating orders to combat the major heresies of their founding eras; in the Dominican's case, the Albigensian Cathars and in the Jesuits' case, Protestantism. How do Dominicans and Jesuits differ? Answer: Results. There are NO Albigensian Cathars.

[@j.g.4942]

That's hilarious! I know a lutheran greek lecturer who was kicked out of a jesuit seminary because he rejected active homosexual ministry (gay priest/pastors); it does feel the jesuits have changed direction

[@robertlehnert4148]

@@j.g.4942 my theory is even while the anti-modernist oath of Pius IX was still in effect, Jesuits got special dispensation to study it supposely to know how to refute it but a critical percentage ended up being "converted", and in succeeding generations, the radicals boosted like minded brothers over the more orthodox, including the lavender mafia as witnessed by the McCarrick fiasco

[@LIZMAC27]

Classic.

[@highonimmi]

@jg wow. That sux😢

[@franciscoscaramanga9396]

Do you actually not know about the Albigensian Crusade, or are you just cool with mass murder?

[@guidosforza9007]

Both friars make wows os poverty, obedience and chastity. They are not laypersons, they are friars or monks of minor friars.. Alright, Saint Francis and Saint Dominic had different charismas. They both were Spaniards. Both orders are a blessing for the Catholic Church. They have Been working for 800 years. Saint Ignatius was also Spanish and his life was exciting to learn from. The Company of Jesus is another huge gift from God to the Church. He was so certain that our Lord would provide that he didn’t care about financing or having a cent, the three of them started their projects without a penny.Their work and Institutions are still there , alive and kicking, unlike other human or political enterprises. The same applies to Saint Theresa of Kolkata, Saint Josemaria (this organization is composed of laypersons, they are not monks or nuns) Saint Faustina Kowalska, Saint Benedict and the Cistercians. And many more.They are the work of God, not human endeavours.

[@lizbueding2626]

One slight correction: St Francis of Assisi was Italian.

[@guidosforza9007]

@@lizbueding2626 you’re absolutely right, he was Italian and in my top 5 saints. He is very near God, he loved infinitely, gave himself completely to Christ and his sons and daughters and lived poverty to the limit. He even loved Creation and animals very much. May he help us from Heaven

[@GuitarBloodlines]

They're still laity unless they are ordained as priests

[@de-located]

and his mum was French@@lizbueding2626

[@guate4]

What is more important the church or the Word of God?

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Christ is the Word of God, and the Church is His body. Is it then any wonder that the Bible says the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth?

[@archsword2446]

Augustinian Villanova U and Merrimack College student prayer “ “ Lord, make me chaste, but not yet”😂

[@annettebeckett4671]

Taught be Dominicans as well

[@petermacander5039]

The Franciscans, Dominicans, and Carmelites should all organize intramural inter-congregational sports teams and duke it out productively!

[@kyleenzler94]

Maybe if the Dominicans went back to their old Office, it wouldnt be just "the Rule of St. Dominic". There is so much devotion in the old Dominican Rite to St. Dominic. Dominicans lost a lot of devotion when they switched the less devoted LOTH in 1969

[@JimRPickens]

I don't mean any disrespect but Franciscans are like jazz is musically, its all over the place. I may not understand what a Dominican is saying but I won't be confused about what they are saying.

[@edoardodalpra4742]

I only know Franciscan friars so I'm team Franciscans on this topic

[@elenimichailidis2642]

the 1st holy bible is in Greek

[@joanmaltman9580]

I grew up thought all priests were Dominicans

[@joanmaltman9580]

Were Dominican's because grew up with Dominican nuns and priests

[@Ty-td8ig]

@@joanmaltman9580 I grew up thinking the same, except that all Priests and Nuns were Augustinian.

[@almabeston7777]

There is not difference in Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the Holy Lord God’s promise!

[@spykezspykez7001]

I’m sorry, but I need to ask. Why the headphones? You’re practically face to face, don’t understand.thanks.

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

It's to hear the recording.

[@jhford1234]

I will take the Norbertines :)

[@nickkraw1]

Check out Father Casey Cole if you want to see an astounding Franciscan preacher.

[@francissweeney7318]

Both Dominicans and Franciscans were the inquisitors.

[@reformedstoic1581]

Vatican Catholic has great videos on the inquisition. You have been mislead.

[@francissweeney7318]

@@reformedstoic1581 If you listen to the vatican you reject The Truth. They are so corrupt that they even changed the 10 Commandments written by the hand of God.

[@shayalynn]

I know right Francis. Its disturbing that people don’t really care about what happened with the Inquisition. Surely God remembers the spilt blood of the innocent. It cries from the ground.

[@sthabisozibani]

Me see Pine, me click link

[@fabioparra2711]

This is just baaaaahjj

[@Optim40]

Please don't ever pin religious orders as being against each other in anyway, in whatever form, even as a form of entertainment. That would not only be disrespectful towards the integrity of the orders. But also a sign of immaturity, lack of respect and giving into temptation for nonsense like that.

[@GuitarBloodlines]

have you ever met franciscans or dominicans? they 100% have a friendly rivalry in fact a franciscan friend of mine told me to consider picking St Bonaventure as my confirmation saint instead of St Thomas Aquinas because Aquinas was a dominican

[@PostApocalypticSure]

Benedictines dah besttt

[@AbrahamFramirez-hr5zu]

DRAKULA?

[@Seeeeeeeeuhhhhh]

why can’t y’all just worship god

[@freevpnemailfree4738]

That’s what we’re literally talking about: religious orders who worship God all day!

[@richardbenitez7803]

St francis sang and danced in his preaching. He would write his own songs. He would combine his own songs, dancing and spontaneous preaching. Francis was only 5’4, very ordinary looking. But his personality allowed him to command attention. St Dominic was not a very interesting saint. He was a good preacher and determined to work for god and the church.

[@eddierivera1860]

Richard B. Dominic not very interesting? He didnt seek attention, he pointed people Godward.

[@lowlightevangelist9431]

Matthew 23:9-11 (KJV) And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

[@phibadohling7250]

Don’t u call your biological father as father?

[@lowlightevangelist9431]

@@phibadohling7250 John 5:39-40 (KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

[@calebadcock363]

What do you call your biological father? Is dad sufficient? lol

[@placidopenitente656]

That’s the problem with people who believed that definitions of words are immutable …. the books in the Bible were written thousands of years ago using language that is purer in form than in the present days

[@Eye_of_a_Texan]

"But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers." bible.usccb.org/bible/matthew/23 See I can do it too. If you're going to post out of context Bible verses, at least try not to be this passive aggressive about it. If you take the part about fathers literally, then you must also take the part about teachers literally, in which case, why are you here trying to teach us the Bible? www.catholic.com/tract/call-no-man-father