The Real Fate of Rudeus Greyrat | Mushoku Tensei |

Old Rudeus, Oldeus, Future Rudeus | Mushoku Tensei | LN Volume 26 | Rudeus Children | #rudeus #eris #mushokutensei #rudeusedit #erisedit #animeedit #amv #shorts

[@HordFacts]

Artist Credit: www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/105427394

[@ongsoon1336]

u need to make a video about his 3 wife if they didn't meet with rudeus...well i already know what was their fate if they didn't meet with Rudeus...

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

time travel this is how he fight god

[@stefansecara8669]

Wait what fr fr this is what happens in the anime?

[@samuelesanfilippo222]

make a short regarding the miko of reincarnation she like appear for a single chapter but she is one of the most tragic being i've ever seen, made me almost cry damn.

[@HordFacts]

​@@samuelesanfilippo222 already did kzbin.infovN57PgHWLLs

[@shouvik8267]

And that og Rudeus is so strong that the alternate Rudeus will probably never be able to compare. He lost everything and lived his life for revenge, he created his own magic and time travel magic to sacrifice himself and change the past.

[@xviperresolute7767]

Sad part of time travel is that it's not you that are gonna change. It's the alternate you. I hate realizing that what he did is basically for nothing cause present him did not change. (I assume OG him did not change cause the vid said alternate)

[@shouvik8267]

@@xviperresolute7767 He knew it. His life was already ruined. He didn't have anyone, everyone he loved died or left him due to Hitogami's scheme. That's why he time travelled to make sure that the past Rudeus doesn't have the same fate as him, that he doesn't make the same mistakes the Og Rudeus did.

[@labilepogba6213]

​@@shouvik8267 he had a big heart helping his alternate self like that

[@nari7342]

​@@xviperresolute7767If I remember correctly, yes it will not change the og rudeus' future but rather it will cease to exist since he helped alternate rudeus to prevent hitogami's plan from happening

[@TheDelethar]

@@nari7342that’s not how that works, Oldeus created another timeline with his past self aware of future events now. Oldeus’ ‘past’ still happened and his timeline is still intact, until it’s reset by Orsteds magic. Time is a weird thing in this story.

[@kwrifles]

Oldeus was the biggest plot twist in this series. I remember my jaw being on the floor reading this part

[@jmboi3625]

where did you read it?

[@JadeParaoh]

reading that diary is so tragic 😢😢😢

[@JadeParaoh]

​@@jmboi3625it is the turning point 4 the best part of the series making this series a solid masterpiece

[@topoppx]

@@JadeParaoh Man I just got done reading the diary part last night and I still feel sick thinking about it. Probably one of the greatest twists I've ever read

[@leoneagle8514]

@@topoppx where can I read the light novel please?

[@gerrymilgarcia7300]

Actually it is the original Rudeus, his daughter was destined to kill Hitogami, so Hitogami altered events to make sure it never happened. That Rudeus came back in time to put the timeline back in its original state.

[@jasontango4818]

That's nice to know

[@Veinzor]

Who Lucy?

[@thalassaer4137]

​@@Veinzorlara

[@saifurrehman5007]

​@@Veinzorlucy rudi first child

[@Khann_2102]

Is this confirmed?

[@lucaf3304]

fun fact: rudeus could have survived if he had chosen to split his time travel into multiple trips, but he decided to do it all at once by committing suicide

[@RAMZAVFX]

His understanding of the concept was right but he didnt have the mana to transport "all" of himself leaving his internal organs behind. If he had used king class healing and could have at least died naturally at a later date. (But the diary explained that little complication)

[@hayzerr3501]

@@RAMZAVFX he was too pride, he was sure that his mana is enough and didn't want to waste time travelling in time by parts

[@philliparnestenbro3607]

​@@hayzerr3501 how would he waste time when traveling through time

[@Lasikisal]

​@@philliparnestenbro3607 not his smartest move I will admit.

[@awareparsely7182]

jjjjjjjjjjhhjhhjhhjkjjkjkjjhjjh ARE U F7K1nG BR4IN DÆD MABYE READ BEFORE MAKING RANDOM FACTS DUM4$$LITTLE KID HE DIDNT HAVE ONOFF MANA HE WAS ABOUT TO DIE AND HE DIDNT UNDERSTAND TIMETRAVLE MAGIC RETH4RD

[@randomaccount-dq1jq]

Mushoku Tensei is one hell of a prequel.

[@melshadrachdanuco9027]

True frfr

[@deadx0092]

​@@naitorainMushoku Tensei is quite literally a prequel. Its not about this video.

[@KhanMann66]

@@naitorainYou misunderstood the whole series is just a stepping stone for Rudeus kids to defeat Mangod.

[@venlocity2]

Prequel? To what?

[@randomaccount-dq1jq]

@venlocity2 The main story following the hero and her family growing strong enough to aid The Dragon God in defeating The Hitogami. The creator of Mushoku Tensei has announced he wants the anime to fully end before he starts to release the next story set 8 years after Rudys story has concluded.

[@RRR-yb8br]

And rudy buried that old rudeus next to paul if my memory serves me right😅

[@lLlILILw]

yeah, in hopes that his future self is able to finally rest in peace

[@AnimeHeadlines]

Is that a light novel? I kinda dont want to read WN and LN

[@thatunknownguy292]

@@AnimeHeadlines the fourth turning point.

[@AnimeHeadlines]

@@thatunknownguy292 i dont get it

[@thatunknownguy292]

@@AnimeHeadlines It's both in WN and LN, titled the fourth turning point. And if you have time, you should read the book, the anime itself is an excellent adaptation, but many were cut out. But please do not read the manga.

[@Brianworldwide_7]

Eris Neves leaves him, she sacrifices for him. She would beat the shit out of Rudy, but always stayed as a guardian even if Rudeus was an asshole

[@HordFacts]

What I meant by 'EVERYONE DEAR TO HIM WAS GONE' is that everyone dear to him is Dead. sorry for the confusion.

[@Brianworldwide_7]

@@HordFacts oh dw mb then

[@thewhitene9746]

​@@HordFacts after roxy dies he isloates himself from his family. That elf dies while helping the princess to gain throne and maid which got fucked by his dad and his sister leaves him. Only the maid girl stays but she gets murdered. Eventually Eris also got killed while trying to clean up after Rudeus mess.

[@HordFacts]

@@thewhitene9746 It's KZbin Shorts, I cannot fit all the information into one minute

[@nimmannapatra6230]

That's so romantic.

[@bellcrosswolfstein1942]

This Rudeus is so strong he's considered as one of the strongest being in his timeline

[@logan12satcom83]

This timeline he ranks 7th, past timeline I'd say either 2nd or 1st.

[@thatunknownguy292]

Nope, he is weaker than the current Rudeus with his MK I, and compared to the God tier fighter, he barely stands a chance (Except maybe 30% against Randolph)

[@annatardlordofderps9181]

@@logan12satcom83 "past timeline I'd say either 2nd or 1st." Not really. Spots 1-4 are essentially untouchable by mortal standards. A regular person doesn't have the time or talent to get to that level. Oldeus can likely take Randolph as its unlikely Randolph has the punching power to get through the armor. But Oldeus is essentially guaranteed to lose to Aleksander as Alex's equipment is simply too good. Depending on the starting range Rudeus can also beat Gal Farion and Gino Blitz, but only if they're at a distance.

[@Mediorge]

nah He almost gets killed by Atofe. Noways he is Top 1. He never fought Fighting God, or Death God, or Kalman III, and II. Even Orce King Malta can clapp him

[@quackatit]

​@@Mediorgethats because he got cought off-guard by moore. He only focused on Atofe. If it was a 1v1 he would have won probably.

[@castanedajohnpatrickd.4504]

Imagine being reincarnated to suffer more depression than your previous life

[@pierrecurie]

Re:0

[@scorpioninpink]

Subaru

[@DamalZIsW]

Bro i didn’t know everyone else was gonna say Subaru too (They talking about Greed if btw)

[@asves4536]

@@DamalZIsW it doesnt have to be greed if, subaru suffers enough already in the main route

[@LastsBobaTea]

@@asves4536The funniest thing about Subaru to me, where someone mentioned before, to everybody else Subaru looks like a genius. He always has everything go according to plan, and he seems like a genius strategist who has never known defeat, in his perfect run.

[@fuhua2362]

I really loved Aisha's character, She never left her brother.

[@Funhub4103]

That rudeus even can manipulate gravity & definitely 2nd most powerful being after Orsted ...He literally suffered a lot...😢😢😢

[@ZenithRage2]

Hmm He wrote that book Maybe the alternative rudeus can Learn those skills which Original Rudeus Had

[@jjpasay]

​@@ZenithRage2new Rudeus did learn Gravity magic eventually. He used it for the first time against the No. 7 World Power and won.

[@ZenithRage2]

@@jjpasay o

[@trapchan386]

​@@jjpasaybeing able to use it and grasping on how it works is different. If I remember correctly he tried recreating the magic but failed

[@nsepvo1418]

@@jjpasay this info is all in LN right? It's a lot further then what the manga is at which sucks

[@mr.bruhbruh9203]

Man this part of the novel is just extremely unnerving, some guy who you haven't fully trusted but by giving you good advice constantly, he gained your trust, then giving you a simple order to just check the basement of your house and if there wasn't anything then he has nothing to worry about. A few years later all your friends, lovers, children and family have died in horrible ways, you've killed countless people and you can't ever hope to avenge them because the way to reach the man who ruined your life only becomes available decades later when you would already be dead. All that caused by something as small as that

[@randomdragen1015]

Yes it's crazy

[@FortuitusVideo]

I hope they animate this so much, a full season.

[@Sibling-Duo]

Same

[@UncannyLiving]

No thanks I don’t want to be depressed

[@theblackdeath10]

this part was only described through the dairy in the books so, its very unlikey they would do a full telling of it, more likely a quick cinematic or something

[@poekpally]

​@@theblackdeath10wait so I'm gonna watch a couple season to be absolutely slapped in the face and to be emotionally damaged. Fuck sign me up

[@annatardlordofderps9181]

Gonna have to wait until season 3.

[@omnerpanzo2226]

If I remember this correctly, this old Rudeus is very strong. He created gravity magic that allows himself to fly. In his quest for revenge against Hitogami, he discovers that to reach Hitogami, he needs Orstead, however, Orstead is already gone back to past/different timeline (Orstead only has limited time to crack Hitogami in a timeline. If he did not change anything, he goes back). That's why he is forever locked away from killing Hitogami. The guy spends his time, diving old relic and civilization, learn their language and magic. And in turn, Rudeus learn the Dragon Race's Time Magic. And yeah, he's beyond broken at this point and suicidal. He entrusted everything to his former self for him to avoid the same fate as he is, while looking forward to see them (his love ones) on the other side.

[@Billy-xh8jy]

this mans got canon events 💀

[@Ryomen334]

I think she complete to buy all the different version books of mushoku tensei

[@ryuivanovich7271]

OG Rudeus will forever be badass, lives for vengeance, maybe even defeats Orsted, travels through time, insults younger Rudeus, and dies.

[@Natanael1402]

The LN is crazy but you just can’t get enough of it

[@leoneagle8514]

Where can I read the light novel?

[@mschfz]

this part alone is so hard to read and that says something especially since its Mushoku Tensei were talking about, the diary that Oldeus wrote was so heartbreaking and messed up that you cant help but feel bad about what happened to him

[@jaypeadieL611]

Meanwhile Hitogami: " all according to plan."

[@1_931]

No 😂 his plain was foiled the moment Rudeus read the diary

[@miki7994]

Then you realize Aizen was behind it all along

[@praisesui-tyan]

TL note: Plan means keikakku.

[@Izuru_Aeternae-Mortis]

Feels similar to a certain indecisive mollusk rn

[@shado-1345]

Oldius comes in* Hitogami: oh shi-

[@ARC.475]

The old Rudeus from the future's sacrifice would later be (although indirectly) the cause of hitogami's demise so we can say Rudy got his revenge on human God even if he's long gone. spoiler: Lara Greyrat helped Orsted and Shinohara Akito reach the void dimension where Hitogami is, they finally permanently killed the evil God once and for all. Lara is also the "hero", destined partner of "Leo" the giant silver dog young rudeus once saved.

[@dhruvsinghnegi1034]

they didn't killed him.. they sealed him with his powers striped

[@saifurrehman5007]

​@@dhruvsinghnegi1034yah

[@jet5299]

So do they ever explain who the human god actually is because don't they state he killed human god and has been masquerading as him

[@angeloaliazas2894]

​@@jet5299No one truly knows until the sequel where it resolves Orsted and the Man-God actually comes out The closest answer we have is from the Demon Dragon God Laplace, who theorizes that Hitogami was born out of the Creation-God's Corpse in the void realm, whether someone stumbled upon it, or he just naturally appeared from his left-over power is unknown. Hitogami himself might be the only one who really knows what he is, and this is the closest info we have right now from laplace. What is sure though, is that hitogami has divine powers, and he usurped the Human God at some point, then continued to masquerade as him.

[@golden1_1dragon12]

Eris’s death is even more tragic. It’s poetic

[@xXKuromiXxYT]

Even the death of sylphy was horrible with her arm cut off and tied to stake

[@grazzer88]

Wait, how was that? Eris's "original" fate is the only one i can't seem to find before Rudeus time travels to fix his rslationships.

[@loremipsum1199]

​@@grazzer88 in that timeline, after Roxy and Sylphy death, Eris return to Rudeus. But Rudeus has become distrustful, and reject her. Eris would come again and again only for him to drive her away every time. She still sticks around and help him everytime he's in danger. In a battle with a demon lord (iirc it's Atofe), Eris sacrifces her life to protect Rudeus, he deeply regrets that he didn't accept her after all this time. In the current timeline before his death, the old Rudeus tells the young Rudeus to write a letter to Eris, to tell her he still loves her.

[@grazzer88]

@@loremipsum1199 thanks, brother!

[@farizahmad3036]

​@@loremipsum1199wait, if the anime right now follow the story of the LN version, does that mean what we see right now is the OG timeline?

[@Marrrrley]

And not a small thing to consider: This Rudeus is the strongest human we know of in this universe. He is stronger than Gull or Jino, than North God Kalmann (I know he's not human BTW) and stronger than Randolph. He controlled gravity, had more mana than Laplace, had an armor similar to the Fighting God's and was as strong as big countries like Millis or Asura. Rudeus, by receiving his happy ending, he couldn't achieve his full potential but I doubt he would change it haha

[@jet5299]

Just wondering so that's how strong old him was. So they show the current timeline him and how strong he gets at that age

[@chiaohongcheng]

So in the book, the author wrote in detail how fucked up the time travel spell failed but also worked

[@TheDelethar]

It worked perfectly lol, Oldeus just didn’t have enough magic for the full trip. He still invented time travel magic perfectly

[@chiaohongcheng]

@@TheDelethar he actually can go back, but he only time traveled some of his body to the past

[@recro9804]

​@@TheDelethar To be fair, the intended effect was to send Oldeus's conscience to the past to overwrite the one from the current Rudeus and there by gaining a new young healthy body. Even he admits it's kinda fucked up and fortunately it didn't work

[@TheDelethar]

@@recro9804 well if that was his intent then in that regard it wasn’t perfect true. In the general sense tho he more or less did.

[@WanRa28]

Young Rudeus implied that he could easily survived the trip if he decided to make several trip and rest in between of them, instead of one huge jump in time

[@LrdBxRck]

I can feel how Hitogami felt having someone redcon a story with time travel (looking at you DC/Marvel).

[@FrostFireTiger]

This is the moment, the Turning Point, that I'm most eagerly anticipating in the show.

[@nikolic6924]

The original Rudeus couldn't have the slightest fucking trade of joy in his entire fucking life.... 😭

[@Tsukuyomi_99]

Hitogami really is afraid of Roxy and Rudy's child, deym. He did everything so she would not be born cause the moment she is born its over😂.

[@Meijin1]

She was the one prophecized to defeat or be so strong that she could defeat hitogami right?

[@1_931]

​@@Meijin1yeah , The hero which was said to arrive in the beastkins prophecy is rudeus and roxy's daughter

[@blackmuffin6763]

@@Meijin1 yep, thats why the divine dog guard rudeus balls

[@SilveryBlue1010]

​@@blackmuffin6763WHat!? 🤣🤣

[@JP-rf8rr]

​@Meijin1 she is one of the few people who are not affected by Orstred's curse, yet will live long enough to be present when the demon god returns (who's death is needed to fight Hitogami). she and a bunch of other of Rudy's descendants team up to ensure Orstred fights and defeats Hitogami. But she plays the biggest role due to her strength and that she was there from the beginning.

[@M1_S_T]

I would like for the author to make a side story specifically based on Old Rudeus, bcz all we know is what was written in the diary. Think it would be pretty cool to read it and know exactly what happened, especially since there were a lot of time skips in the diary.

[@AzieDummy]

Bro that diary alone is traumatizing, we don't need that spinoff, if we.l Need a spinoff its when his daughter kill hitogami

[@HenSt-gz7qj]

I need spinoff of Nanahoshi and Orsted , from their meeting until they met Rudeus

[@arts1628]

​@@AzieDummyhis daughter kill hitogami would be the main sequel not spin off

[@AzieDummy]

@@arts1628 nah. That shit will take almost a decade to release. I hope the author live long enough for that

[@arts1628]

@@AzieDummy if oda can finished one piece then rifujin can finished this too

[@SpudEater]

I never saw Mushoku Tensei as something that people should look down on *cough* Twitter. I feel it's one of the purest and well written isekais to ever exist. There is suffering throughout and the world building is just way up there for me.

[@kamally]

Reading about old man rudeus in the novel had such an amazing impact, I couldn't stop reading for hours. I can't state how much of an oversimplification this video is compared to reading all the details.

[@leoneagle8514]

Please where can I read the light novel

[@theedelgado100ed]

The diary part of the light novel is so amazing yet tragic. Easily my favorite part of the series.

[@samuelesanfilippo222]

the reason why those who didn't die left, was because they were disappointed in Rudeus, after the tragedies, he became an alcoholic and lost all his drive, i think there was an especially depressing scene where Eris try to make him get thing back together, but just scream at her, to stop and leave him alone, and then she just leave. i don't remember how it was after he embarked in his revenge path but it would be interesting to see his interaction with those who remained at that point

[@stillkountin]

@coachdoge3810no

[@childcannibalism5080]

​@coachdoge3810 No, he is the OG rudeus, the old version is not the one we follow, we follow the life of the "good" timeline rudeus, not the old one. Old rudeus is just from another timeline.

[@adiktus2221]

When they meet each other in some sort of astral plain,,Hitogami doesn't see the current Rudeus but the fat man... He only saw him in Rudeus form around the end where fatman accept and lived the life of the another world

[@wrathslaughter652]

The word of a God can never be trusted- kratos. To this day, that sentence is always proven right.

[@bruhwhat8642]

I have enough with god evil and must kill kind of story. Anyone have any suggestions for story preferably manhwa that god can be respected?

[@thenugget1735]

Cringe

[@corruptedultimawerewolf5664]

​@@bruhwhat8642 How about Buddha from Record Of Ragnarok? In that anime all of the other gods like Zeus and Odin fight againts humans but because of his follower's prayer and his belief in humanity Buddha change sides and fought the other gods "If the gods aren't going to safe mankind, then I will. And if any god gets in my way... I'll kill 'em"

[@wrathslaughter652]

@corruptedultimawerewolf5664 Like any rule, there are exceptions.

[@wrathslaughter652]

@thenugget1735 Am I wrong, though?

[@malaa-ot1wz]

I think you forgot to mention that Sylvie was pregnant at the time

[@robbomegavlkafenryka6158]

Doesn’t even mention Shynoba literally getting himself burned alive in an attempt to save Rudous’ family whilst he was away.

[@InstanRamen]

The Reason why Eris, Zanoba, Aisha, Julie died not because Higogami plan. Even tho it's because Rudeus stole the Millis Book. For Slyphy and Roxy is actually Hitogami Plan. Hitogami kill Roxy because of Her Daughter, Slyphy died because it was Hitogami plan to force Ariel to Overthrow Asura Throne. As what I remember Hitogami also don't want Ariel to become a King.

[@justaguy1304]

And, not all of them died or left due to hitogami’s direct influence, but because of the effect these events had on rudeus, as he pushed them all away. Specifically, after Roxy’s death, rudeus got depressed and went drinking for HOURS every day, and visited brothels too, frequently got into arguments with sylphy because of it, causing them to grow distant, and for her to leave with Ariel as she rushes back to the Asura kingdom for the final political showdown without telling rudeus, or any of the family, and getting executed in public. Rudeus arrived just in time to see her mutilated corpse crucified on a wooden pike, and, if I recall, he burnt the entire city to the ground. And, Eris died after rudeus got conceited in a fight against atofe, and didn’t fight seriously, only for him to get surprised by the leader of her royal guard (forgot his name), and forcing Eris to sacrifice herself to save him. Ghyslaine only told him she actually still loved him the entire time AFTER she died. She would also often beat his ass just cause.

[@pomer1044]

Bro I can’t….😢

[@thalassaer4137]

​@@pomer1044bad ending lmfao

[@KunoWitchi]

Wtf bro u made me 😭

[@bboy_4168]

There's a good chance that Hitogami influenced Luke in that time line too.

[@onyxblack1167]

​@@bboy_4168i think not. Maybe that prime minister but luke is not. These timeline hitogami use Luke coz rudy is already involved. Ariel will always fight for the crown according to orsted, sometimes she wins, sometimes she lost but her winning the crown gives a positive outcome for orsted.

[@nekitamolik7100]

Him reading the diary was devastating, its one of the most emotional parts in any fiction I've read or just consumed in general. Words can not describe the emotions i felt, the absolute horror. I will never forget how it made me feel and how glad I was to see Rudy succeed and get the happy ending he deserved. Honestly brilliant move by the author.

[@Saitama-nk6sd]

I remember when i read it i was really emotional and i was feeling sick after reading it and for the next 5 nights i was having nightmares of those chapters. It was really awfull it was an experience which i can never forget

[@bardock4407]

I always loved stories like this it reminds me of the Infamous series with Cole traveling back in time to make himself powerful enough to face the beast.

[@psychs6720]

Fucked up shit is that the alternate time traveling old rudeus we see in like for only one chapter in the series is probably one of the strongest if not the strongest in that universe. Dude got so much into revenge he dedicated his whole life to studying magic, specifically time magic to fuck with time, warn his past self, then die.

[@jeffhardysoul]

Sousuke Aizen, Reverse Flash & ATSV Miguel welcoming Hitogami to the "Being Behind Everything by Screwing With the Protagonist the Whole Time" club

[@aldrowinaperin2770]

Then there's Kenjaku "Being screwed for the protagonist"

[@jeffhardysoul]

@@aldrowinaperin2770 as I was told by a different commenter, this guy has a greater level of commitment when it comes to "it was all part of the plan" 🤣🤣

[@aldrowinaperin2770]

@@jeffhardysoul Bro took backshots from jin day in and dayout (i refuse to believe yuji is made with only 1 try) All for his curiosity 😂

[@Ashaweshk]

This part left me sweating, nervous and scared and I rarely sweat while nervous and scared!

[@androidynamit]

He lost so much, Roxy died, sylphy and princess ariel executed, eris left him. Basically a broken man with no other desire but vengeance

[@scarecrow4611]

Wait didn’t that Eris die?

[@normie_reesav4020]

Old rudeus part was really sad i remember crying my eyes out while reading the LN man really did everything he could and even became no.1 still didn't care and that's what speaks about the clarity of his soul.

[@RenkoBocchi]

When I read this on the novel, I got goosebumps. It's a good writing.

[@Typhonnyx]

And the ending was stupidly good but also sad asf

[@FooBry0621]

where can i read this novel?

[@justacathittingjuul9645]

This part of the novel gave me chills and surprised the shit out of me. Who knew an isekai like this that is Half slice of life and Fantasy will have a really dark story.

[@md.sifatsarkar2775]

I never expected this anime to turn out this dark !

[@christbenitez8797]

Its always been dark and more maturesince the beginning. People tent to focus on rudeus story while some of us focus on the world building on that anime/LN. Their world is literally like The song of Ice And fire in steroids, because gods are involved in mortal affairs such as how Hitogami(the human god) fvcked up the previous timeline where old man rudeus lived.

[@milkman9837]

Im so glad this popped up in my feed. I literally spoiled myself on how rudy goes into help and then i find out he gave his past self a chance to help himself and not lose everyone

[@captaink8093]

I'd argue that the "good ending" was the true timeline, as the Oldeus timeline was an alteration made by Hitogami

[@Omar-bz5nx]

I can’t imagine watching volume 14 in anime format. It’s already devastating in the lightnovel. We are in for a hell of a ride.

[@emdee31]

Quagmire does die at 74. His children are the new protagonists.

[@FLASH-qd4xz]

I don’t remembered exactly but him dying wasn’t that a dream?

[@emdee31]

@@FLASH-qd4xz no he's dead.

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

@@FLASH-qd4xzIt’s a dream at first, but the very ending covers his funeral and his last meeting with hitogami right after, so he’s definitely dead there

[@WanRa28]

​@@FLASH-qd4xz nope. After Eris natural death he got heavily depressed, dying of old age 3 years after it

[@Saturnius]

No, he dies at 74. Also it's not confirmed if the continuation of the sixfacedworld will have one of rudeus's children as protagonists. Though, Lara is the most likely candidate if one his kids is chosen.

[@jeleni9443]

Well reading "The diary" for the first time was like a punch in a guts it was amazing experience but at a same time it was one of the most depressing experience from fiction

[@austinhines1709]

Bro I hadn't gotten to this part of the story when I sub consciously read that Sylphie died and I was heartbroken. Don't scare me like that. :(

[@winterkim790]

Same 😢i dont want sylphy to die

[@Zentofu1]

It’s sad that old man Rudeus never met Orsted again. Just imagine the destruction the two would of caused together.

[@luciferdontreadmydescription]

Damn Rudeus amd rimuru share somewhat a similiar story. Even the current anime rimuru we know isn't the first rimuru but the rimuru before him and the countless rimuru before him failed in life (dying by the hands of falmuth,the empire etc)

[@dustinison8379]

yeh, but mushoku portrayed it as dark as possible which can't really be compared to rimuru.

[@luciferdontreadmydescription]

@@dustinison8379 ah yes I forgot to mention the subaru treament that chronoa/chloe got She saw the death of hinata and rimuru many timees. After their death she gets forcibly sent back to time and has to endure her time again try not to mess with the timeline so that the best outcomr can be achieved. Though you're correct. Except chloe's journey everything is not so dark Except maybe yuuki kagurazaka( Basically truck kun decided you won't be the one to die your parents will be ded.and so his thrist for justice begins as the court ruled the driver to be innocent and the birth of an anti-hero/villian /antagonist whose greed was greater than the will of the greed of mamon was born) and kazalim/kazaream/kagali(basically Damnsel in distress but the damsel doesn't get saved and becomes a demon lord)

[@animeplanet9542]

Well Chole was really loyal, her fate was like meliodas,saw her love die for many times .

[@istaka1416]

Feels like most of isekai is pretty dark these days

[@luciferdontreadmydescription]

@@istaka1416 The Hero Who Seeks Revenge Shall Exterminate with Darkness

[@jheilhuerta7618]

-Roxy died from the Poison from the poison rat -Selphy joins Ariel for the Coup detat but Luke Betrays them and later Ariel and Selphy was executed -Eris was killed trying to protect Rudues from him own stupidity -Realize it's impossible for him to kill Hitogami cuz he only exists in other dimensions Yeah this timeline is so fcked up

[@SECRET_zy]

Eris best❤

[@Litgaming776]

Does they all get a happy ending or not? I am anime only

[@jheilhuerta7618]

@Litgaming776 in the different timeline no it leads to very bad end where everyone around rudeus died. In the current timeline yes. Rudeus decendants helped Orstred to kill Hitogami and Lara is one of them. Even the Old dying Rudeus saw everything and bit farewell with Hitogami.

[@zie7248]

Wait, in Light novel, Luke betray them?

[@SECRET_zy]

@@zie7248 1 way to find out WAIT FOR ANIME

[@2ndCannonFodder]

losing everything and everyone who loved you seems so painful...

[@eterna1379]

we always followed the alternative redues so it doesn't matter

[@thalassaer4137]

Nah...we're following the og

[@eterna1379]

@@thalassaer4137 there is only one timeline in which redueus existed and in that very timeline the future one exist too so its the very same person but in the future

[@josecisneros4103]

Soooo much respect for a protagonist who can be so relatable and crawling his way through suffering inorder to give God a deadly comeback counter😢

[@PunyapratapsinghChauhan]

In that life rudeus became even worse than how he was on earth, he becomes a rapist, always gets beaten up by eris, doesn’t care about what others say about him. Etc

[@GlennPranata]

The ending makes me think of Oldeus' sacrifice. His effort doesn't go into waste. He succeeded in his revenge.

[@ayakacaoli9870]

This way more tragic than the story of MARVEL'S

[@noah_d7434]

"What about me" perfect song for this series

[@kaocakeman2964]

I member reaching this part of the WN so many years ago. The chills in my spine as I read it. Man, I hope that old man got his justice.

[@johnlauricemendez66]

The dairy part is really dark, especially were Shylhpy died i can feel rudues dark emotion on that one.

[@kaneddy3098]

Which volume

[@leoranora]

This is why Hitogami is the major antagonist

[@King_of_Blue-Eyes]

A fate worse the death. 😢

[@MrAnonymousme10]

Red mama on that previous world is the most saddest ive seen on this IP

[@COMECALM312]

Roxy's child is destined to kill hitogami thats why he was killed by that rat.

[@Typhonnyx]

Eris death in the alternative universe was sad asf but she was loyal to the end

[@Meliodas77104]

Is eris dead by now????

[@chocofibo4583]

​@@Meliodas77104unlike eris from original universe that dies defending rudeus, eris you know (the one you watch in the anime) is an alternate version of her original version. she died a happy life with her family because of old age. in other words, thanks to original rudeus that come back to past to warn rudeus about that rat. the whole future has changed you wouldn't want even know what happen in rudeus original timeline.

[@Meliodas77104]

@@chocofibo4583 thats sad😞

[@nagi8010]

I remember first reading this, it really took me off guard. I almost cried. Damn, such a good writing.

[@Brody0321]

Now i know why the dragon king hates the pure white dude 😂

[@Ryomen334]

Because he knows his true colors😅

[@bluesparrow8029]

This made me cry when I read the novel

[@leoneagle8514]

Where can i read the novel?

[@calebstephan2083]

Dont forget that that rudeus was broken. He literally created time travel magic. The only thing that held rudeus back in the novel was his human life span. All of tne strong characters in the series are damn near immortal. If he had a long life span like the other 7 great powers members he wouldve surpassed everyone.

[@ayakacaoli9870]

I don't know why but why I keep watching this 😭😭😢😢 I'm already about to 😭

[@Quetzalcoatl-oo6ic]

When I read that in the novel I was listening "amusement park" from Nier Automata, it was magical. One of a kind experience as a reader.

[@jawman0]

1) Mushuko Tensei Timeline is Linear. Time Travel on the series is basically a system restore not jumping on a different timeline. 2) The magic cast on Orsted forcefully loops back time but allows Orsted to keep his memories. This magic is strong enough that even Hitogami is unaware of this. He finds out about this later when Rudeus dies near the end but It is useless info because Orsted doesn't need to reset since he succeeds this time. 3) Old Rudeus Planned to turn back time with the diary he was writing on as the target but instead of him travelling back to his younger body but with his memories, he noticed that his hands are still wrinkly and his stomach has nothing in it. He failed the time travel and lost majority of his organs, it might be a miscalculation or the cost for using such magic. Old Rudeus probably would have succeeded if the target for his time travel was his younger body that way only his memories would be transferred instead of his whole body. Present Rudeus would have been surprised in the sudden burst of memories of a future he hasn't experienced yet. Mushoku tensei was created in the time when alternate timeline was not yet related to time travel or at least that was what i know and perceived from reading novels back in the 2000's(Hell all i know back then was time travel was basically change something in the past it also changes the future, i got it from that one american show Seven Days). Also with the loops Orsted had, multiple timelines with Hitogami winning would have been created, i doubt Orsted would be Satisfied with winning in just one he would probably travel to those other timelines where he lost just to kill Hitogami which is pointless since at that point there's infinite number of Mushoku tensei worlds and Orsted will never win completely. Slime tensei also having been created at the same time (for the web novel) has the same linear timeline the hero Chloe went back in time as a spirit and merged with her younger self because in the future Rimuru died so to prevent that she travelled back in time but only as a spirit. Oh BTW Rimuru(Future) gave Chloe the mask which Chloe gave to Shizu which then went back to Rimuru(Curent) thats how fcked up time travel was back in the days.

[@JadeParaoh]

Turning Point 4 should be a movie best part of the series 😢

[@macomonkey6969]

This Original Rudeus (Oldeus)is the most advanced in terms of personal magical aptitude, yes, but if we compare overall power, the win has to go to main (our) Rudeus. Because strength isn't just physical strength in Mushoku Tensei. Think about the ranking system. It's not something that updates automatically when someone's "strength" surpasses someone else. It updates when someone loses/wins a battle. Thus, Orsted cannot be rank 1, as he will never battle Technique God (current and probably permanent No.1) So the monuments of the world power ranks does not analyze the physical characteristics, but accomplishments. The significance of this is Rudeus becoming a world power, despite his personal skill not going anywhere near the other world powers. He uses a suit to battle on par with world powers, built with the help of so many different people, from his friends, to Orsted, and technically, even Hitogami assisted making that. It's also a temporary buff when you take into account the absurd mana depletion of Mk2. Strength will not be attributed to personal ability alone. An example to sum up what I want to explain is, Person A is super buff, could beat any single person in a battle. Person B is super Charismatic, Rich, and Intelligent. In a world where everything was war and fighting, Person A would be considered 'stronger'. However, in a society with people, economy and culture, Person B has more power. Person B could coordinate his influence to shift the course of history, while Person A is just buff. This is pretty much what happened with Rudeus becoming a world power. He isn't personally anywhere the highly competent world powers, including the No7 that he defeated, but he has characteristics of a leader, comrade, tactician, that gives him access to people and resources that give him power rivaling world powers. So it is technically Rudeus' peronal merit, that makes use of the power that comes with a society being numbers (scale, firepower, persistence) variety (different ideas, cultures and thus perspectives), and influence over this society (monopoly of money, reputation, and by extension, relationships with other strong individuals). Which is why while Oldeus is an impressive lad and coul solo Rudeus in a 1v1, taking into account the contexts of all their accomplishments, main timeline Rudeus wins by a landslide.

[@madasfacts1717]

i love the way you explained it but I just want to say, Gravity Magic.

[@macomonkey6969]

@@madasfacts1717 yeah its sick. But techichally main Rudeus can also use it, just not masterfully, but i think it was badass that he could accidentally use it. Showed how absurdly difficult it was to get the feel fot it and highlights Oldeus utter mastery of magic.

[@crowcypher5821]

Thus, creating a time paradox

[@thalassaer4137]

Theres nothing like that in the mt fortunately, just a huge amount of mana requirement

[@duma535]

For the LN Fans: Sonething that I love about these books is that bonds can be stronger. New Rudeus probably will never be as strong as Prime Rudeus who chose to become stronger even if it made the entire world his enemy, besides Sanoba and few others the allies he had were only conditional, Prime Rudeus mastered gravitational magic and others more and still New Rudeus could acomplish more.

[@Gumshoosh]

For future reference, putting a spoiler warning is probably a good idea. I watch the anime only and was scrolling my recommend, when I saw the thumbnail. The thumbnail in and of itself has spoilers in it. I didn't even get a choice in the matter, and that's kind of messed up.

[@HellstreamGames]

The original Rudeus never forgave Eris for leaving him and hated her until the day she died.

[@ssjtruncks90]

Kind of hoping that old Rudy gets his own ova. The content in his story alone could probably fit a season by itself

[@user-zl1vf4me1p]

Yeah bro imagine a 1h 30 minute special for Turning point 4 from the POV of oldeus without the viewer knowing ANYTHING about it and seeing as his life goes to sh!t and Rudeus degenerating further and further into madness, and at the end pulling up his time travel stunt (the viewer seeing him as the original, then dying in front of his past self and getting burried in the same place as Paul as credits roll), they can skip over the diary scenes after that because most of it and more would've been covered and it would be the BEST anime episode of the DECADE, absolutely no possible contest in ANY way shape or form.

[@executionerwasp9213]

“It’s a canon event bro” -Oldeuss

[@kitsukou]

Still waiting for the animation 😔

[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

i hated this part and that god bastard

[@Ryomen334]

This is a shocking moment 😢

[@aaronwalker1615]

Got to that part of the "MANA Infested disease" (Rat 🐀 with a mouthful of Meta-genenic like MANA crystals"...that caused "petrification sickness"...Thet story arc played out like an episode of Star Trek in a fantasy world 🌍...Which was cool...I better not skip to far ahead in the audiobooks....Want to enjoy the rest of the story.....

[@ayushsinghparmar3849]

where do u get the audiobooks ?

[@aaronwalker1615]

@@ayushsinghparmar3849 @ KZbin has plenty of audiobooks online...Just do a search....Lots of channels....

[@aaronwalker1615]

@@ayushsinghparmar3849 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIDWd3icrtl4iqM

[@ayounglad7304]

I listen to the audio books too cause they were free lol.

[@aaronwalker1615]

I'm now at the story Arc where Eris gets Rudy's ✉️ letter at the Sword ⚔️🗡️ Sanctum... Finally, bring the past to the present....Where travels 🥾 with Gullaine to City of the Magic Academy....Where Eris meets Rudy's 2 other wives, and decides if she wishes to join his extended family... While Rudy fights Dragon 🐉🐲 God Orstead to the Death ☠️ in his Gundam medieval battle armor....

[@btsforeverarmyforever7448]

The past rudeus suffered the most 🥺🥺

[@rukitorin1998]

spoilers! that moment in the novel was too much. like in one moment rudues was starting a diary just before the hitogami asks rudues to open the basement door. then bam someone appears in front of the basmenent door. rudeus prime. a rudeus that lost too much.

[@shockingyue6857]

Alternate Rudeus: Focus on magic! Rudeus: focused on robots.

[@franklinshaki9]

If he kills the hitocami in a vengeful path that brought him into this world that means he won’t be reincarnated again he will be just an imaginary wow that’s deep

[@Ryogasempai]

Rudeus reincarnation was a mistake, even if hitogami isnt defeated isnt clear if rudeus wold born again, that is why rudeus and orsted try their best in this timeline

[@ookami_otaku1206]

The man god had nothing to do with Rudeus being reincarnated

[@jet5299]

Yeah technically it was lapace or whatever his names fault technically?

[@chara4422]

Time travel in a Time loop great stuff for disscusion and headaches.

[@aceroger4584]

Who caused the teleportation?any idea

[@fwneuro]

the teleportation incident

[@Jest402]

This isn't revealed until the very last chapter of the web novel

[@goji434]

Akihito

[@avithorqi9015]

​@@Jest402 it's revealed it's caused by someone in Hero(Nanahoshi boyfriend) party. She was saved by the hero. She like Orstead or more like Subaru(re zero). Hero always died, so she use her secret power to repeat again, like thousands of time. After thousands loop her redo power got weaker. But at the last loop hero never appear and died earlier, means she will not saved and will die. Her final attempt to redo everything with her last power create havoc in space and time causing the catastrophic in the past that sent Nanahoshi there. The price is she can never use the redo power again. Some description is missing but that's as far I remember.

[@eterna1379]

it was caused by nanahoshis arrival thats all i understand

[@user-hxh12369]

Oh shit shit shit. I just was on chapter when rudeus meets Aisha and norn and norn locks herself. Damn, the story is so deep and sad. It is just like Life. You feel good and face challenges, win and lose but ultimately you bow yourself to DEATH, which is either the true happy ending or the opposite.

[@hopree2839]

Old Rudeus's timeline will be reset due to Orsted (in that world) not able to kill Hitogami. But New Rudeus's timeline won't, and New Rudeus still have memories of Old Rudeus so in that new timeline/world the Old Rudeus still exists somehow... I don't get how it works. Isn't it a paradox?

[@Ryomen334]

Yeah it is😂

[@Ryomen334]

But if he time travel back to his past will be lot of changing of his life even losing some beautiful memories

[@shansamuel1271]

YES I KNWO ABOUT IT , when i first read it 2 years ago i was so surprised , and the TRAVELLING back time travel was soo much of a suspense for me , i fell in love with this story

[@bigbrotherbear4675]

who could even say that the old rudeus was the original or an alternate version? without the old's interference, it'd be the same cycle. love this crucial turning point tho.

[@quasogod]

its most likely a infinite multiverse situation

[@Duality2222-2]

Rudeus: Your sacrifice will not be forgotten me