The Real Problem with Living on Mars

[@BradSchmor]

I am 48 years old. I remember in the 1980s there was optimism that a crewed mission to Mars would happen by 2000, and we generally believed the USSR would achieve it first. Now, with a projected 30-45 years left in my life (years 2052-2067), I have serious doubts that this will happen in my lifetime. I might live long enough to see a crewed orbit and return, but I doubt I will live to see a landing and return.

[@benyosep5640]

Can't colonize a planet we can't breathe on guys. Get a life for once.

[@ikp4success]

I hope we find aliens before then or they find us, better than colonizing mars..🤣🤣

[@benyosep5640]

@@ikp4success Pray we never find aliens 👽. Remember the term "stranger danger"? 😂

[@ikp4success]

@@benyosep5640 lol one thing is for sure, our culture and perspective will change if we know, and have physical evidence they exist before we make contact with them.

[@BradSchmor]

I wasn't speaking about colonizing- I think that's much further out there. I was talking about a visit and return mission comparable to the Apollo moon landings.

[@agentp6621]

I had an idea where a hydroponics garden could grow bamboo and the bamboo could be converted into a cellulose based media for 3D printing onboard the aircraft. 3D printing objects is a solution for many emergent needs for repair parts or needing newly made items. The bamboo creates oxygen and produces media for 3D printing. A crude type of replicator from star trek.

[@jeffsampson5822]

Okay, that might work. How quickly does bamboo grow?

[@aliengrogg2284]

Great. We'll have our first mars pub open in notime then. First bamboo beer is on me buddy🙂

[@funzjag]

There are thousands of species of bamboo. Bamboo is a type of grass. For this idea to work, the most efficient growing species would have to be selected. Also, the types of bamboo that would be adapted most proficiently to the conditions of space and Mars. I like the idea.

[@mattias8546]

Bamboo needs fertilizer, which takes up space and weight.

[@nightlytea1296]

@@mattias8546 they could make their own right?

[@afarro]

This just makes you appreciate Earth even more

[@midnitee97]

this is especially true

[@amalthoma]

One Brachiosaurus said to his buddy after munching some ginko fiddleheads and looking into the blue sky on a sunny beautiful morning just before the meteor strike about to happen that will wipe their entire species and most of the life on earth "what a wonderful world ". 🤣Hehe

[@Beanskiiii]

@@amalthomacringe. Still better than trying and failing to live on Mars

[@DrewpyAnimations]

My personal opinion is that we should start with the Moon and maybe even establish a base there before we even consider Mars.

[@wkndwarrior3532]

Not a bad idea for many reasons. In the scope of a mars base it would be an excellent jumping off point, much easier to store up goods and launch from the Moon than Earth.

[@AndresKatAdventurez]

Lunar base

[@NotTheHeroStudios]

I think we need to start sending and testing life support systems on Mars, while we start putting people on the moon. Let people like Elon worry about starting infrastructure on Mars and have NASA focus on lunar bases. They would figure out the best way to get set up, while others focus on finding out what will work and how to make the trip safely. We've sent people to the moon in the past. Unfortunately due to its slow rotation, nighttime is going to be a MAJOR issue for lunar living. Mars would be better. Build lunar bases and transfer points off of it, while testing the tech to survive on Mars. The first people to land there will probably died tbh, but if Starship is 70% of what they want, it's the first big step to Mars. I mostly think this because right now the space race is on, people are behind it and excited about space travel. Look what happened in the 80s. We had gone to the moon, made the freaking space shuttle (which was a failure over all unfortunately) and the drive and support fell off. But rockets got cool again, and we need to push as much as possible while we can. My concern is we figure the moon out, something bad happens and people lose hope and will, and Mars will never happen. I know I'll never step foot on Mars myself but if I could watch the first people try before I die, I'll die happy knowing we tried

[@pricelessppp]

The moon can also help with world energy needs!

[@That-No-Moon]

Bet it would be possible to build a space elevator on the moon that could be used as a refuel station. Sadly, I think the moon doesn't got much in raw material such as iron or rare earth that could be harvested for use in building. Probably mostly regolith that isn't usful.

[@jacobslaughter2715]

You missed the facts that Mars lacks the mass to have a molten core to generate a magnetic field. Without an magnetic field it cannot hold an atmosphere similar to Earth's. So even if we could get the resources necessary to terraform Mars's atmosphere it would be stripped away due to the solar winds.

[@nocontext9635]

Then make mass lol

[@fredandersen9873]

Tunnels.

[@thekingofmemes1922]

@@fredandersen9873 what?

[@thekingofmemes1922]

@@fredandersen9873 what does tunnels have to do with this

[@jetpond7904]

@@nocontext9635 you can’t just make a mass on a freaking core of a planet.

[@gerarpope6581]

The more videos I watch of habitation and possible life beyond planet earth, the more I began to think and accept the fact that it is truly by design that we were made to live on earth, multiply, and live in peace. The more we explore beyond, the more complicated things get.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

Complicated doesn't mean we shouldn't do it - it just means we shouldn't hinge all our hopes and dreams on Planet B, when the going gets tough here on Earth. The greater the challenge, the greater the eventual achievement - If you are willing to dedicate the time and resources to doing it right.

[@rcpaskus83]

Yes sir. It’s called wisdom. You must have it.

[@MagicRoosterBluesBand]

Complicated? Try impossible with today's tech.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

@@MagicRoosterBluesBand Since when has tech been limited by what it can do today? "Today" 100 years ago, a car couldn't go 30km/h and a computer the size of a small shed had less power than a modern calculator. The only "impossible" that matters, is whether something is "physically" impossible.

[@MagicRoosterBluesBand]

@@LadyDoomsinger maybe in a couple hundred years. Maybe, since it's been 50 years and no revisit to the moon, let alone living there.

[@bigware9588]

So when do we get a video on the lore behind the Infographics show? I think that would be cool.

[@fencepostlamb5531]

Are yes lore for a company

[@LexiLunarpaw]

@@fencepostlamb5531 i think they mean as in Lore for the Infographics Universe the vids take place in

[@eduardo_Skywaller1032]

@@LexiLunarpaw its actually within the SCP foundation

[@somewhereupthere7]

the prophecy must be fulfilled

[@orenges]

their first video is about crying

[@slickchick5811]

My concern would be the physiology/psychology issues of being permanently encapsulated to live, plus adjusting to red skies and rock landscape. And how to keep occupied? Who would really even be interested in staying on Mars? Medical care? Length of day is different...we're adapted to earth by structure. Hospitals? Sleep disorders from different day/season length?

[@dehaifu68]

I guess the solution is matrix :)

[@yam1146]

Sunglasses

[@slickchick5811]

@Derone Cerrone Yes, but that doesn't address adaptation. Our species is designed for earth. Its not like sci fi where people just plop in any environment and pick up where they left off with no adverse effects.

[@austinshupe2390]

Where is your sense of adventure? Humans would still be chilling on Africa if everyone was as afraid as you

[@barakaobama7558]

It's a Sci-Fi pipedream. We need to embrace the planet we have and stop killing ourselves by polluting the atmosphere. It's not really logical to want to "colonize" other planets when their gravitational forces and atmospheres are completely different and inhospitable to us. It's really more of a cultural trait of many western countries where they want to control and dominate everything in their path.

[@jakurdadov6375]

Anyone wanting to terraform Mars should start with terraforming Earth. You already have a huge head start: 1. You're here. 2. You have gravity. 3. You have liquid water. 4. You have oxygen.

[@perfectbeat]

Exactly!!!

[@chicoeur619]

Only idiots believe Musk. Now everyone is starting to see this

[@jeresenjaer7538]

Fr. Why go to planet where life was possibly wiped out?

[@deandownsouth]

On top of that, while humans certainly impact the Earth's environment including climate, it's not clear exactly how we can *directly* change the climate to a specific temp and for how long.

[@edinny8001]

Agreed!

[@MichaelThomas-te1jd]

An issue that’s overlooked here is that lower gravity carries fitness costs : 120 days in orbit was recently shown to reduce red blood cells by about 50%… then we have the issue of surface irradiation, lack of any magnetosphere to ward off most of the effects of solar events or radiation. It’s not somewhere people will be able to live in any foreseeable future. If we don’t stabilise the biosphere soon this is all irrelevant, so if we don’t manage to prevent further mass extinction then this isn’t going to save us at all.

[@NetralFN]

Just saying but the thumbnail was kinda ironic since we are going to die in every place we visit

[@mattprod.5109]

Putin surely doesn't prevent mass destruction with a giant nuclear rocket in his garage...

[@lunarSoul0]

The video basically boils down to the old saying "measure twice cut once" lots of logistics to solve and variables to consider before trying to colonize. Which I agree with. It's a shame it might not be in my lifetime but better to do it right.

[@blackleague212]

meh. Humans are gonna try to run to mars just to realize we were put on earth for a reason. Amen.

[@JohnJohnson-dj2dv]

Too many 'maybes' and 'what ifs' in this video and this video doesn't even come CLOSE to addressing ALL of the challenges and the complexity of how to solve these issues. It will NEVER happen in your lifetime or anyone born in the next 100 years.

[@lunarSoul0]

@@JohnJohnson-dj2dv Yes

[@ComaTwin]

In comparison to many other documentaries which paint a more rosy picture when it comes to overcoming all the obstacles associated with a human mission to Mars within the next eight to ten years, this video appears to be more realistic in determining that in fact, a human expedition to the Red planet is still in the best of cases decades away.

[@lonniedobbins778]

I'm very glad someone with logic has looked at this. I was tired debating the possibility of people going to Mars with people opposed to science.

[@brunoheggli2888]

Just some crazy Elon fanboys!

[@rickl.1603]

It sounds like we better start being a lot nicer to our current planet. Thanks for the great content!!

[@JBguitar-cj8pc]

Lol what are you doing better than anyone else? Doesn’t take much to say it, takes a lot to actually do it though.

[@nitrogamer7728]

@@JBguitar-cj8pcit doesn’t take much to be a bit nicer and if everyone would do that it would already be a huge difference

[@morphbushrod8026]

@@JBguitar-cj8pc calm down, he did say we, meaning we all need to do better

[@cl8804]

way too late for that, Sadgely

[@rodgunn2621]

@@cl8804 Definately not too late.

[@cmilkau]

Going to Mars when it's closest is also about the hardest. Most missions take the longest route you can take, because it uses the least fuel and you know, the rocket equation. Many missions take even longer routes (although this ceertainly wouldn't be done for human missions), exploiting flybys at other planets and Earth itself to get pushed just into the right orbit with minimal fuel.

[@AdrieKooijman]

Do you propose to pass by Venus and/or Neptune on the way to Mars to save fuel? You do know Mars is by far the nearest planet so any other route will be about ten times longer?

[@Beanskiiii]

You’re trying to be smart with information that you’ve gathered instead of using your brain. We use gravity assists to help us get to the outer planets but since Mars is literally right next to us we can just use our planet as a gravity assist.

[@AdrieKooijman]

​@@Beanskiiii You used your brain? Or your gut feeling? The Rosetta space probe used Earth and Mars for gravity assist. The launch was March 2004, first assist flyby of earth was a year later, mars flyby in february 2007, followed by another earth flyby in November 2007. So the after-acceleration Mars-Earth trip took still 8 months. And: you'll have to slow down to be able to land on Mars: another series of flyby's needed. Even without doing the math my gut tells me that this will not be a faster way to travel these (relative) short distances.

[@jamesbright3439]

@@AdrieKooijman venus is half the distance. Each planet is double the distance from the sun as its closest neighbor.

[@AdrieKooijman]

​@@jamesbright3439 how does that help to make the time to trave from Earth l to Mars any shorter? The thread is about using gravity assist to shorten the time to go to Mars. I still think that's not possible. Mercury 0.4 AU, Venus 0.7 AU, Earth 1.0 AU, Mars 1.5 AU, Asteroid Belt 2.8, Jupiter 5.2, Saturn 9.6, Uranus 19.2, Neptune 30.0 AU That only 'times two' on a very sad calculator.

[@bmwolgas]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the ONE problem that no amount of theory can fix: The 37% gravity. You briefly mentioned gravity but not in the context of humans may not be able to live in that low of gravity for an extended time.

[@gergopiroska5749]

Yeah It weakens the bones a lot And i just can't see a woman giving birth in a low gravity environment

[@cypr7120]

You got a point but astronauts in ISS live for hundreds of days in zero gravity. Gravity problems has risks but it can be solved.

[@Zurround]

@@cypr7120 They come back to Earth in terrible health and sometimes need physical therapy to be able to walk again in Earth gravity and some of the damage like bone shrinkage might be permanent. Its not fatal but its also not healthy.

[@cypr7120]

@@Zurround Medical experts can deal with that, perhaps doing particular cardiovascular work out in space could minimize bone weakening with the aid of medicines and so on

[@Zurround]

@@cypr7120 At best it would reduce the harm SOME. Its still MUCH HEALTHIER to be under Earth or close to Earth gravity. Its not just the muscles, it affects internal organs and bones, even the EYES. Preventing all of the harmful effects of lack of gravity is a tall order.

[@astrasillage]

I think it's so pointless to try to start with Mars. We should start with establishing space stations in the Lagrange points of Earth (where they wouldn't need that much power to stay up and close there), we could have factories and plant-farms up there too, and study the long-term effects of low gravity and more radiation. Also the moon could be a great launching point for more space exploration.

[@magnus4346]

Totally! And easier still I think would be to colonize Antarctica. I mean, really though why are we even talking about mars when we can even build a society on Antarctica!

[@astrasillage]

@@magnus4346 Having a base in Antarctica could be a good way to teach survival training. :D

[@javierderivero9299]

@@magnus4346 Totally agree with you

[@Hamdad]

Even better, any metals we mine from the Moon and use to construct habitat modules or spacecraft is weight we don't need to launch out of Earth's high gravity.

[@wetcrow_com]

All this is being done on Earth. Several habitats to self sustain were done, plus having astronauts live for 6-12 months in isolation to simulate travel to mars and living on Mars have already been done to test for many scenarios. Studies on a tall mountain in Mexico were done to see how Mars would turn out if Terraforming took place there. We need to know what plants would grow on Mars for survival, plus create oxygen. Building a bigger atmosphere with greenhouse gases would be required, plus we would need to put nitrogen in that atmosphere for humans to breathe normally. Oxygen is too explosive. The Moon is somewhat a good place to test colonizing, although temps are too extreme on the moon than Mars, plus the gravity is one half of Mars gravity, plus much less atmospheric pressure on the Moon.

[@cherubin7th]

Flying to Mars is like wanting to fly over the Atlantic when the planes managed to fly a few meters.

[@michaelsantonocito6577]

Yet even then we had still CROSSED the atlantic with lesser technology. And once established there we developed a better transportation solution to go to and from.

[@redghost5705]

Amazing content but I cant believe you missed out the physical side effects on humans living in reduced gravity such as muscle atrophy and detached retinas. This is a major reason astronauts can only spend relatively short amounts of time on the ISS. Spending years in such conditions requires advances in our understanding of these effects and research into how best to keep a human healthy long term.

[@blademaster2390]

Well, as the video said, space is highly radioactive, so astronauts cant even survive on the ISS… Yes i know there are astronauts on the ISS, im just pointing out the flawed logic in the video.

[@Michael1ndonli]

Exactly my point as i commented above.. Honestly i think varying gravity environments is the elephant in the room that all these videos don't even address. We have answers or at least a pathway to solving all these other issues such as radiation, speed, food concerns etc... but no one is even touching on the possibilities of creating artificial gravity (because there is none). I can't see us going anywhere until we have a better grip on gravity.

[@Chris.Davies]

@@blademaster2390 The ISS is well inside the magnetic field of Earth and so it is protected from the worst of the solar radiation. but even so, six months on the ISS and your body is a wreck.

[@Chris.Davies]

We don't even know what level of gravity the human body can tolerate long term, without severe symptoms developing over time. My feeling is that anything under about 60% of a G might be very bad for humans. But it is certain that Mars gravity will harm humans fairly quickly. And, just when the crew needs to be at the fittest and strongest (when they arrive) they will be at unfittest and weakest state. Unless the journey can be completed in just a few weeks, we will need to spin up whatever craft is sent, with a cargo craft at the other end of the 1km tether.

[@Johnnywhamo]

Exactly....thank you, not only will we never live on Mars, we never COULD live on Mars becasue the human body simply can not handle it...full stop. Never mind how impractical and ridiculous the notion is in the first place.

[@brianengland8948]

Human survival on Mars would require living in artificial Mars habitats with complex life-support systems. One key aspect of this would be water processing systems. Being made mainly of water, a human being would die in a matter of days without it.

[@sugartbube]

that last part is spot on. People don't understand that human must expand past earth

[@leecowell8165]

Well we've been around for awhile now and have managed to be here this long WITHOUT expansion. And in fact if we don't get a lid on this population explosion we are NOT destined to be around for very much longer!

[@Crashed131963]

Without even starting to watch the video. 1-No food and water and air 2-No radiation protection from space 3- minus 80 degrees Fahrenheit or-60c Living in the Antarctic would be easier and nobody lives there permanently.

[@jondoc7525]

The low gravity allows you leave easily and carry a lot of radiation protection . All your problems already have solution in the works .

[@bostontracy5151]

Kudzu is an easy plant to use for air creation. There’s a reason it’s an invasive plant species & is cut down as soon as it’s found; usually found in South America. It’s extremely fast-growing & pretty hardy. It could be used in mars strictly to spread, so it’ll make oxygen; the difficulty is the nitrogen. To keep colonists warm, the 1st thought is to make biodomes that are, basically, giant greenhouses. Electricity creation is easy & that can be used to power large heaters. To shield against radiation, there are several options. Probably the easiest would be to drill down into mars, about 6-10 feet down, & build reinforced human habitats there; the soil/rock itself will shield from the radiation. All that on top of all the other good/innovative ideas mentioned in the comments can quite easily make mars habitable.

[@tescheurich]

It would all die instantly on Mars, along with us fools who tried to bring it.

[@johnlomax2502]

@@bostontracy5151 🙄

[@minaryeon9259]

Way too many problems to see it happen in this life time. If people can't even live on earth peacefully and safely how would they survive mars.

[@iphail4733]

The most promising radiation shielding at present is a type of fungus that consumes radiation as its source of energy. In theory this could be grown in transit or whilst the craft is in orbit around the earth

[@AwokenEntertainment]

This is discouraging to many people out there, but I still have hope!

[@ronadams3107]

Sending 1 crew would be too risky. I believe that if the tech becomes available, they should send 3 crews and rockets at the same time. Redundancy, I believe, is essential for a mission like this.

[@dlelax8]

What if instead we focus on building giant space stations on route to mars. Space stations that are like the size of an aircraft carrier which is like a floating mini city. With this we can have some kind of supply chain and landing points. Idk.

[@NotTheHeroStudios]

Put one in lunar orbit and design a fueling depot on the moon. And maybe do a transfer point around L2 (not in earth's orbit, but stays with earth in a solar orbit). it would be best to start fueled in lunar orbit, launch towards earth and slingshot it to Mars (oberth effect) The issues with lunar bases is the moon turns really really slowly, so you would have long extended times of super cold and darkness, and no ability to use solar power generation systems... So a robotic or lightly staffed surface supply depot that Mines and produces fuel which could be sent to lunar orbit would probably be the best idea. Lunar orbiting ships don't have the same issues with day/night cycles But it would require extensive gravity rings since human eye's would start to fail after being in zero gravity for to long

[@martianmurray]

I was thinking similarly. Like having multiple space stations orbiting between earth and Mars

[@BadBoy-wy1il]

Easier said than done

[@neroooo3071]

It would be easily hit by some asteroids

[@carlosrsolrac]

lol no

[@Icewind007]

My guess is that VR and AI will ultimately be crucial for long term isolation scenarios. In my small experience with VR in pandemic isolation while living alone, VR gets me the mental benefit of "going outside". And with the quick advancements in VR technology, it may eventually be enough to keep people not only sane, but happy during those lengthy times alone in a capsule.

[@uruguayonintendero]

The movie Aniara has an interesting take on this. You should watch it.

[@javierderivero9299]

Isolation?? I'm a loner I will easy adapt to isolation...hahah!!...but ...have you watch the video...you have at least 15 problems even before going hitting the psychological problems.....readiation, gravity, water, medical problems, etc

[@Icewind007]

@@javierderivero9299 Yes, but every solution to every major problem is crucial. Including the debilitating effects of isolation on humans, social beings.

[@lkkrv00rm3]

Just pick runescapers to go to mars, they will never get lonely

[@deandownsouth]

But you weren't truly isolated. You could go outside should you want to. Could drive to a store, could interact with ppl in real time. That's not the same type of isolation as being in a 'tin can' where you cannot go out at all and live in the same cramped quarters for months/years. Having said that, VR would probably help. I'm not sure what the connection with AI is, unless it's to create an interactive world.

[@alanbailey5621]

I can't think of any place that I would hate more than being stuck on Mars.

[@thenaturalmidsouth9536]

Moscow.

[@IzzieNickole]

Any of the other planets? They’re all wretched.

[@DDlambchop43]

the DMV.

[@PortmanRd]

@@thenaturalmidsouth9536 Given a choice of the two I'd take the red city every time. Mars is just not condusive to human life.....yet.

[@robertbeecroft5570]

Prison

[@paulnash6944]

I agree that being a multi-planet species is the best way to ensure our survival. Considering all of the threats to our existence in the universe, it’s probably not a good idea for humanity to keep all of its eggs in one basket, or this case on one planet.

[@daniburke9452]

Yeah that is if the other beings don't mind us just taking up extra planets nice we didn't take care of ours

[@paulnash6944]

@@daniburke9452 Yeah, though the new innovation and invention that will take place on Mars may help us with that a lot.

[@curaidh7739]

we need to colonize Venus and mars and build multiple generation ships to ensure are survival if you need explanations or have any doubts i am willing to explain anything.

[@williamstenberg1220]

Probably not gonna listen to me, but we don’t need to worry about interplanetary colonization. The Lord will come back and redeem his believers before we can get that far. Just sayin.

[@paulnash6944]

@@williamstenberg1220 Well, for goodness sake, I hope you’re right. I’ll just keep my fingers crossed in the meantime.

[@patrickhelm1222]

The biggest issue would be spending an entire year (at least) in 0 gravity, and then being able to adapt to the environment of mars. There are some solutions for artificial gravity via spinning, but being sure the crew is ready for mars gravity is tricky, before even talking about the environment.

[@wetcrow_com]

We already have done that on the ISS. Mars will be much easier to adapt than on the ISS. That said, you will still have to exercise on Mars, more than Earth. Astronauts returning to Earth adapt pretty quickly with negligible long term effects. On Mars it would be similar and less drastic a change. Astronauts would have to exercise more on the trip to Mars than when on Mars.

[@minaryeon9259]

@@wetcrow_com the difference is living on Mars.

[@gipgap4]

@@wetcrow_com exercise doesn’t negate the effects of low/zero gravity.

[@alexithymia9337]

This is an excellent summary, and as noted below, there are other reasons Mars mania is absurd.

[@bxdanny]

The first "colonists" going to Mars will go with the understanding that they will NOT be returning. They will build an enclosed environment in which they will be able to survive, or they will die trying to. That's the only plan I've heard for a human mission to Mars.

[@blizzard1198]

Yeah I don't see a way for them to come sending people to mars to build a base would basically be them rushing to build it before they die there so they would atleast need to send a few hundred or thousand

[@nicholashylton6857]

Like Europe's exploratory and colonial era - sans the subjugation and genocide of the locals, fortunately.

[@wetcrow_com]

@@blizzard1198 There are many people willing to take the risk of dying just to get that opportunity. Even on Earth people migrate with high risk of death. Just look at our US border with Mexico.

[@Andriastravels]

What kind of insane person would want to do that? They would belong in an Institution, not in command of a 100 billion dollar mission. How long till they cracked up? It is a Catch-22 situation, for sure.

[@MissionHomeowner]

@@wetcrow_com Are you saying illegal Mexicans will flood Mars with migrants? That coyotes will sneak them on to spacecraft? Better build a wall then!!

[@ritesh146]

I think the quickest way to get to Mars and colonize it is to build an army of humanoid robots that can function as a human with AI. We are already having breakthroughs in AI technology.

[@maninthemirror9732]

Thant's not going to happen any time either. Modern science still doesn't understand what consciousness is and how it truly functions (thought's, creativity, emotions etc.). Which is too say, we don't truly know if we could create conscious AI; it's a fantasy, like some of labeled religion!

[@klutzspecter3470]

Elon Musk: We must stop AI! Also, Elon Musk: Creates AI that endangers drivers.

[@insertname8993]

well isnt the whole point of getting ot marz is so humans can get their and populate the planet/?

[@joehiggins4326]

I mean would we even need the AI we can control rovers so could we just send robots capable of building a shelter

[@ritesh146]

@@maninthemirror9732 Well, I am merely talking about kind of pre-programmed humanoid robots to create sustainable infrastructures for humans(Shelter, Greenhouse, Solar arrays, etc). It is such that humans don't have to start everything from scratch since it seems like the most difficult part of colonizing Mars.

[@neftaliriverajr503]

This video is incredible i never knew that there will be a-lot of problems in going and living on MARSSSS, i thought it will be tricky and complicated but the video went beyond my expectations on how to conquer Mars, wow, this youtube video was good too view,thanks!

[@NotTheHeroStudios]

One of the biggest questions I have... What happens if we dig deep into the surface of Mars, we don't really have a great idea whats below the surface. We may be able to find some needed resources below, I would love to see a drill land and drill 50 feet down extract it and send it back. We could technically do it with current technology, but it wouldn't be easy, but for all we know, it could have a ton of ice deep in the surface.

[@Kemanh200]

Sadly drilling into Earth is a difficult task with all of our heavy equipment. Due to weight constraints of space ships, only small, light equipment could be brought, unlikely nothing that can dig such a hole.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

@@Kemanh200 yeah but due to gravity we might be able to send construction robots that can construct and supplies first. It will take an armada.

[@jetpond7904]

@Prof. Severus Snape I can’t tell if you’re joking

[@michaelsommers2356]

We are not completely ignorant of the inside of Mars, just like we are not completely ignorant of the inside of the Earth, even though we have not even scratched the surface of the Earth. We have been in craters on Mars, which expose rock more than fifty feet deep. There is also debris from meteor impacts.

[@zakwanberlin]

Instead of digging a hole, i think it would be better if they send a rover inside a Martian cave. That’ll be interesting imo.

[@mrosengren4130]

You know... some of the surface problems could be solved if you decide to go underground. Underground helps shelter things from problems, insulates and provides a barrier to various threats.

[@1ManNamedDan]

Nope the planet is still made of dead radioactive regolith that can't sustain bacteria let alone crops - then you have a water problem - then a gravity problem - we'd be better off spending resources elsewhere and on local problems until technology catches up to us in about 200 years (if we survive what we're doing to our world within the next decade). Asteroid mining will probably precede any serious attempts of colonization and would provide the profits and advances in technology that could pave the way for more breakthroughs in science, astrophysics and chemistry to explore our solar system and universe in bold new ways. It's never too soon to dream.

[@benyosep5640]

@@1ManNamedDan it's a pipe dream 💭. Too many negatives, too expensive to live in a prison on another planet.

[@eves4316]

Tunnels anyone?

[@russelhorwitz]

You can go underground here too, and survive a nuclear war

[@Glittersword]

​@@benyosep5640 Only a prison if you believe it is.

[@PhreekPestilence]

I work in a gas processing plant. We take Nitrogen, oxygen and Argon from the atmosphere, cool it until it's liquid. They turn to liquid at different temperatures which makes them relatively easy to separate. We don't do it with C02 because there's not enough to make it economical. But if you set up a similar plant, theoretically you could separate these from the atmosphere. You turn it back to gas by letting it heat up and now you have the CO2 and Nitrogen for plants and oxygen for humans. The biggest hurdles would be the construction, and energy. But if you set up a small system ahead of landing you stockpile enough to have it ready for astronauts landing. Then they could probably build a bigger one. I don't know, surely smarter people than me have considered it, but it seems pretty straightforward to me. Construct it on the moon, or in orbit, then launch it at mars

[@ffclips_xxx6257]

Nice helps me a lot on my test on mars thanks!!

[@aaronwalcott513]

There's a good probability that the money needed to develop Mars colony tech would be way better spent on the planet we've already colonized: Earth.

[@minaryeon9259]

Exactly, if we focused on earth we would be able to much more.

[@RobertMcMurrer]

I think we should build a dome with a group of people on the moon to use as a gas station.

[@daboyz367]

Dang all the info I’ve learned already (like 3 minutes into the video) is crazy I’ve learned more than I do in school

[@soxgopro5552]

Trouble is information is so easily accessible today its not valued and easily forgotten.

[@captainnebraska3197]

Get some supplies such as water, oxygen, and food in orbit before launching to mars. Can take as many trips as needed to prep for departure. Then launch men & women on a modular ship that can attach to supplies already in orbit. Lighter resupply missions can be shot over to mars faster, being lighter and without g-force restriction. We may consider something akin to an orbiting station above mars being prioritized over actually having a colony on the ground.

[@Rick-jf2ig]

Still have the issue of radiation

[@fredandersen9873]

The use of Mars' moons as a type of gateway, has been discussed.

[@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy]

Would it be feasible to put some 'resupply stations' of sorts in solar orbit between Earth and Mars to make the journey more do-able? Seems like it could be a sort of thing where we slowly put stations further and further out until eventually until eventually we have a ladder between the two planets. The math would be crazy, but it seems do-able to make them all (or enough of them) line up every time the launch window comes around. Just a thought, hope y'all have a nice day.

[@Bithe_Get]

Yeah hm many materials rot like food same for fuel energy also the radiation can cause damage in some materials

[@joser1853]

Nasa should hire you. You're too smart.

[@ralphm6901]

Even if the math works, any ship picking up supplies would need to carry fuel to stop and more fuel to boost up to cruising speed again. However, it wouldn't be unreasonable to send supply packages to orbit around Mars. When the ship arrives, it could refuel/resupply from those packages. If the packages had the right connectors, they could be assembled into some form of space station, to give the crew more space. It might even be possible to de-orbit some of the supply modules to construct a habitat.

[@tpose6663]

They haven't had an idea to build a rocket station on the moon? It has very minimal gravity so it would require not just fuel, but strong CO2 bursts to push a ship to a planet, it takes time to colonize the moon but it would invest greatly in future space travel

[@ramon475]

Could you please integrate the metric system in your videos? Literally any viewer who's not from the US has to look up conversion for all the units of measurement you use...

[@josephcler3299]

I would love to see a mar's base set up but this video is correct in that we're not quite there yet technologically.. The moon should be our 1st destination, it's close And has everything we need to get a base going. I'm talking to you Elon.

[@ives3572]

For all the reasons that it may fail, there's always that small window of opportunities that will make it succeed.

[@michaelsommers2356]

No, there isn't always a solution. That's just wishful thinking.

[@bigedslobotomy]

Another thing no one talks about is the fact that after a certain period of time, the humans that travel to Mars essentially become another species as they adapt to the much lower gravity of Mars. Even if they learn to deal with the radiation, and other environmental hazards, our bodies WILL adapt to the lower gravity (through decalcification of bones and other adaptations).

[@sirswayze5288]

Best show on KZbin!!

[@sirswayze5288]

Well best animated show on KZbin

[@brucedickie9394]

Something that gets neglected is the weaker gravitational pull that is about two thirds of what our bodies are used to on Earth. This can cause blood pressure problems and other issues that may have long term medical issues

[@juanmelendezrivera6085]

In short, we have to master the building and maintenance of Lunar bases before attempting to build bases on Mars We need to build space resupply huge stations with artificial gravity before planning human crew interplanetary missions.

[@artistanthony1007]

I've played RTX Red Rock so I already know Mars=Dead, there's also this Morge in a Big Colony you enter which you dont see in media oddly enough, they forget that there's going to be dead people and you gotta have somewhere to put those bodies and I wish more Space Colonization media, not just video games would do that because not having a Morge in a Colony is really strange.

[@Kemanh200]

That won't be an issue, the moment things break down and food goes scarce, the cannibalisms will resolve that. People romanticize this, but as an astronomy buff myself, I wouldn't go to Mars for my life. Slow, horrible death awaits all until we get better tech, which could be decades to centuries.

[@philipcallicoat3801]

What is a"morge"? Do you mean a,"morgue"?

[@stevenscott2136]

Don't waste that biomass. Dead bodies get chopped up and used as fertilizer, same as people's excrement. Once you're far enough to have hogs, a hog will cheerfully eat a human corpse and turn it into bacon.

[@ImGonnadeliver702]

I think this is the reason for virtual reality is important.. we can explore and look around different planets and then they have to find a way for a faster signals to get the planets but doesn't mean you have to be there and then go when things are ready but I know this obvious already.

[@bulbear3934]

Best I idea I had about solving the signal issue is that you put one around the radius between planets and they also function as a booster and they send out wifi so that you can connect and send memes to and from Mars

[@wkndwarrior3532]

I was going to say something similar, that VR could be used as a way to "escape" the long journey. A tool the astronauts can use to get away from the confines of the trip and visit with loved ones far away.

[@antoniousai1989]

How can you know how to make a VR if you have never been there? Space exploration is not made for you to play video games.

[@will2Collett]

WOW!!! A realistic POV. It's great to be optimistic, but sometimes we need the PUNCH of reality. Humans solve problems and achieve so much with knowing the adventure and solving them. Humans are GREAT for solving problems and yet another human flaw is impatience.

[@robbabcock_]

I agree that being a one-planet species makes human extinction more likely, but we're maybe being naive to think Mars is a solution to that. Many if not most of the things that could destroy Earth life would destroy Mars in the process (eg GRB, the death of the sun). We'd need a fairly large population offworld to make us genetically viable, and to really give our species a good chance we need to have a breeding population in another solar system. Of course, after a while speciation would occur and the new branch would be something else than human. We should explore Mars and colonize the solar system but Mars is not the slam-dunk that dopes like Musk think it is.

[@Phreemunny]

You win the “Best Person on the Internet Award” for today for recognizing that Elon is, indeed, a dope.

[@fbook5149]

Venus is by far an easier planet to terraform

[@ranium6149]

Or we could just stop destroying our "own" planet

[@brokengbax420]

Mars is just a first step

[@freddy04123]

You understand that Mars is only Musk's first step in colonizing the solar system right? Like he's stated that numerous times. It's the most realistic option other than the moon. Venus is the most comparable to Earth, but building there right now is literally impossible, whereas on Mars we could theoretically start building today if we were there.

[@Silent_Steel]

Before we hit Mars we need to establish a permanent base on the moon... you could eventually build a bigger ship for Mars from resources on the moon and don't have to fight earth's gravity

[@benyosep5640]

Are you mad? What resources on the moon? You know what it takes to build a rocket ship to mars. Please tell me you are trolling.

[@Gatekeeper201]

Exactly. You gotta walk before you can run.

[@Silent_Steel]

@@Gatekeeper201 well said

[@PatrickOCnMD]

Still think it may be another 100 years or more before we see any humans on Mars. Mars is just too hostile an environment to humans. Lots needs to be figured out before sending humans there to live. Could happen quicker but just don't see us or any other country spending the financial resources to solve all the problems with going there and surviving for any significant period of time.

[@ScaryBaldMan]

Imagining a future Mars colony based on private companies and billionaires. Looking forward to landing at Branson Interplanetary Spaceport, visiting the ship yards at Elonopolis, and shopping in Bezos City.

[@kennethkho7165]

ancapistan utopia

[@tescheurich]

Fortunately, it isn't going to happen. Profit is based on scraping the top off of vast wealth. There is no wealth up there.

[@steveburke7675]

Read the Red Mars...Green Mars...Blue Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson. In his fictional trilogy corporations caused war between Earth and Mars. Great read btw.

[@SoulOfJustice1994]

Once cryo-stasis is perfected, maybe a crew could work in shifts to minimise supplies needed? Obviously, details would need to be worked out, but it also may mitigate isolation a little if someone can sleep away months at a time.

[@colinecollard533]

If you're reliant on supplies, even if the needs are minimal with that technique of yours, you're still not solving the important question of self-sustaining bases/settlements.

[@SoulOfJustice1994]

@@colinecollard533 - I'm no expert. Like I said, details need to be hashed out beforehand.

[@alancrawford8749]

It almost seems like it would just be easier to take care of this planet than find another one.

[@nicholashylton6857]

The covid-19 pandemic has produced a lot of useful information regarding the psychology of people living in close quarters for a long time. It will be interesting to see how that informs future manned missions to mars.

[@Vanity06]

Man you guys are able to pump these out and I’m here for it! Keep up the awesome videos

[@BonyT2768]

You mentioned that one bright spot is that, due to the much thinner atmosphere, Martian dust storms don’t present as bad winds as they would on earth; however, there’s one problem you didn’t touch on: Those dust storms will stir up Marian REGOLITH, which, unlike soil on earth, is like tiny shards of razor-sharp glass. This regolith will make wear and tear on all materials we use there VASTLY more severe; not to mention the problems with eating anything grown in Marian regolith soil-which, btw, is also toxic.

[@williamilikegnr]

I feel like we could solve most if not all these problems by sending robots or specifically designed machines to do a lot of the work before we start sending actual people

[@ROASTEDRICO]

Keep up the good work

[@karfomachet7265]

u could set up a simulation were the people actually thought they were on their way to Mars but were just in a bunker . This would be a good way to see how the people interacting part could be netter studied .

[@djsuperhighsoundz4216]

Keep Up The Great Content 🙏❤

[@sammithkumar3457]

my man making videos about the real reason for not able to live on mars : Elon Musk : at the edge of his feet to fly to mars with beach glasses and sunscreens

[@sarcasticrobot303]

Everything about this video is impressive ❤

[@jarodlandree7355]

We need to focus on our own planet first. We have yet finish exploring our own oceans or learning everything we can about ourselves.

[@dominickwest7558]

But *why* ?People bring this up but what is the benefit? See just one more fish?

[@beerdrinkingdwarf7139]

@Jarod Landree, That could take 1000 years, JS

[@201hastings]

No we don’t. How about you buy a submarine and comb the 330,000,000 cubic miles of ocean? May as well lead by example instead of just talking

[@johngoerger8996]

If we failure here no human continuation into the universe

[@johngoerger8996]

Think if our ancestors 100s 1000s of yrs ago on Earth, they stayed in Africa,...humanity wouldn't have expanded increased massively thus developing a much greater diversity genetically to ward off diseases..there also seems to be an indication about 75,000 yrs ago human population around earth dropped to less then 2,500 & possibly a few hundred..thus close to total extinction. For Humanity to continue we have to spread our SELF all over areas & that includes space Settlements (see O'Neill styled Space Settlements) SEE O'NEILL Space Settlements Princeton University

[@tardarsauce3355]

Great video, but you forgot the long term consequences of living on a planet with less than half of earth’s gravity. The human body will be distorted under those conditions if they settle there for the long haul

[@loschekell]

Remember the inverse square law? The strength of sunlight at Mars is about half what it is at the Earth. Also, Mars has dust storms that can last for weeks which will also reduce sunlight reaching the surface of Mars. It will take vast resources to overcome these problems.

[@Tony-ye1df]

Keep up the vids!

[@danieldavis9348]

Obviously all needed structures needed on Mars are already there. A compact high speed digging machine can dig a massive green house by just covering it. Most of the living quarters can be dug in. Underground is much better for most things. Light tunnels can be also cut in. They have ice so we can make hydrogen for fuel and harvest the oxygen. The deeper we can dig down the more we find out anyway. It also supports the mission.

[@tati-anaroseee4316]

This is also what I was thinking I'm glad someone else thought it to 😇 maybe someday everyone will catch on lol

[@whynottalklikeapirat]

Humans: WE’LL GO LIVE ON MARS-YAAAAAAAAY!!! The Kalahari: Am I a joke to you?

[@Hamdad]

It seems to me that all of the problems of colonizing space are solved with the invention of genuinely conscious, intelligent machines. They can survive in space with ease compared to humans. They would probably not prefer Mars though, once you're out of planetary gravity wells there's not much reason to go back down them. The asteroid belt is a more ideal machine habitat.

[@jellyzaw1730]

Its true living on mars might be a bad idea, but when we actually go to mars earth is probably going to be worse

[@michaelsommers2356]

Earth won't be anywhere near as bad as Mars.

[@benyosep5640]

You can't even breath on mars. What are you talking about.

[@minaryeon9259]

Your logic is insane.

[@CM-lk6du]

The scariest thing about all of this is how these people move their arms and head.

[@puggumpus]

After all the setbacks are taken care of, one thing I love to wonder about, is the biological changes that could happen, like what would humans look like in say, 100000 years?

[@jdottdeestv8149]

Bigger eyes, smaller ears, taller, wider heads.

[@benyosep5640]

They wouldn't last that long. They would be tethered to earth. People won't justify the expense.

[@wetcrow_com]

We will probably figure out how to become more bionic like the humanoid robots we are now building. The technology to just have our brain encased in a human robot exists but very controversial at this time. We will need to solve that issue if we can survive in space, due to cosmic radiation. I think we will evolve to any habitat we inhabit, although we may not be as strong or live as long. The opposite is also possible where we figure out how to live forever. It is mind blowing to think about all the possibilities. However, I am sure we will have a lot of surprises along the way.

[@noxnc]

They will look like regolith, and it won’t take anywhere near that length of time.😂

[@jamesfarrell8339]

Fantastic video I had no idea that we were so far from going to Mars Happy to everyone at the info graphics staff Thank you for all of the great videos Have a wonderful day today

[@Whatt787]

lethal radiatio, super cold and super barren, just forget it--and seven months to get there

[@ModernDayGeeks]

Mankind might've taken about 10 years for us to successfully land on the moon, but achieving the milestone of being able to colonize Mars alone will surely be a huge leap!

[@DanielCoronel99]

Mrbeast in 2050: destroying Mars and rebuilding it so Mars could look better without having any problems.

[@justaspy5605]

Yeah right Mr beast would Terraform mars

[@philipmetts8831]

It's good that our dreams of space exploration have become a lot more realistic than back in the sixties and seventies where books and movies were about galactic empires and thousands of years in the future. Our science fiction should endeavor to depict solar system travel and at realistic slower than light speeds and keeping that dream alive until it comes to fruition.

[@MarcelATX]

Instead of focusing on making the planet and space habitable, I think we’d have a better chance of figuring out how to modify the human body to survive in those conditions.

[@handle2-g9l]

Modifying the human body will cause countless deaths to reach a result that is safe and effective.

[@edwinwandera6993]

@@handle2-g9l umm no

[@edwinwandera6993]

@@handle2-g9l they can use cell or animals

[@minaryeon9259]

No won't work, have you not seen those kovies? What creatures Humans become?

[@catladycatlady7359]

I have always been confused as to why anybody would want to colonize another planet. We've ruined this planet enough, should we scatter our waste across all the other planets while we're at it?

[@monsterminer5831]

Its precisely because we are ruining our planet that we need to run to another planet, our survival is prioritised over the survival of others so humanity will continue to destroy anything that stands in their way of survival, no matter how selfish and cruel it is THIS IS HUMANITY

[@TreXsJournal-Coming-Soon]

Why not? It's not like there's a reason not to.

[@catladycatlady7359]

@@TreXsJournal-Coming-Soon oh really? How about we don't ruin another planet? Or how about we use that money to help people on this planet? Or how about we not risk people's lives sending them to another planet to ruin?

[@TreXsJournal-Coming-Soon]

@@catladycatlady7359 And if we ruin it, then what?

[@catladycatlady7359]

@@TreXsJournal-Coming-Soon 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@ronleonard7015]

I just love that people think it’s easier to go to Mars than it is to fix the issues that we have with our own planet. I’m pretty sure with everything that’s wrong here we could fix it pretty quickly for a lot cheaper than trying to colonize another planet, that we can’t even get to.

[@nickhall7995]

It would be terrifying mentality for those astronauts. Traveling through space for months being separated from earth knowing you need things to happen 100% just for hope of success. The smallest thing goes wrong...mission failed

[@cammontreuil7509]

Send psychopaths then. They don't have all those normal feelings and thinking to get in the way of the mission.

[@LexiLunarpaw]

What about Paradox's Surviving Mars? They can live on mars

[@henryhernandeez6111]

true

[@limabravo6065]

Aluminized plastic about the thickness of ceran wrap with tetraethyl lead liquid sandwiched between the layers makes a great shielding against radiation

[@leeshepard5718]

I remember seeing an experiment from a long time ago (probably from the 70s ish era) of a powerful magnet that could levitate a frog, so I know they can be powerful. Since Mars would need a molten iron core like Earth has, to shield humans on Mars from deadly radiation, and that's not possible... How about developing an artificially magnetized protective field but on a smaller scale and say buried underground that would encompass a community enclosed in a city-sized biosphere or even multiple connecting spheres that encapsulated a self-sustaining environment like air, crops, plants, people etc. with an artificial man-made magnetic field for its protection?

[@leeshepard5718]

I know to even have a sphere of a controlled environment it would need extra precautions like duel panes of honeycombed-shaped sections. Perhaps make the edges composite 3D printed with strong break-resistant transparent centers that let natural light in and that won't let oxygen out, perhaps angled and also smooth and slippery enough to aid in keeping dust from accumulating, and helped by wind blowing at achieving that.

[@michaelsommers2356]

Where are you going to get the energy for such a project?

[@kennethkho7165]

Earth has a molten core because it's spinning fast caused by collision with a planet called Theia, now known as the Moon. If Mars is going to have a molten core, we would need to move Ceres to orbit Mars.

[@leeshepard5718]

I didnt say mars needed a molten core like Earth rather what I was suggesting was finding a way to duplicate the end result of having a a center core by perhaps developing a man-made magnetized Shield by burying large quantity of strong magnets several feet underground to try to duplicate a circulator Shield with the same thing, as if from having a molten core, I don't know maybe the technology isn't there yet just a thought...

[@michaelsommers2356]

@@leeshepard5718 Calculate the energy that would be stored in such a magnetic field, and then explain where you are going to get it.

[@Jin_Yoong]

Personally do you think we could evolve there?

[@Phreemunny]

We undoubtedly would, given enough time, unless we were somehow able to artificially create an environment exactly like earth’s

[@kevinkchao8]

@@Phreemunny The human race will cease to exist before we evolve to live on another planet.

[@michaelsommers2356]

It's an open question whether we can even reproduce there.

[@bob456fk6]

This is a very realistic presentation about the exploration of Mars. We have so many technological problems to solve. It will be many decades before we're ready to send people to Mars. Now we can get a lot of data with rovers and drones. The bottom line is: we don't need people on Mars. A manned Orbital Mission is a lot more reasonable than a landing mission.

[@Dark_Outlaw148]

If I ever become a billionaire I will devote me life and money to space exploration and mars colonization

[@BJJISTHEGAYPARTOFMMA]

Me too, hopefully more and more people think like us

[@andromizer4363]

I think we might never be able to live on mars

[@colinecollard533]

People used to say we might never be able to fly. We might never land on the moon. What is impossible today will be possible in the future. Because things change.

[@Thomas-VA]

build a series of waypoints between S and Z, where little hops can start in space and find resupply or supplies in the waypoints, like having astronaut food, meds and parts, some solar plants.

[@Averagewhiteguy0]

I feel bad for this man's Throat They post more than 4 videos a week I couldn't imagine recording my voice for hours

[@venkelos6996]

This might seem dumb of me, but it seems the "perks" of Martian colonization shouldn't far outweigh thise of lunar colonization; so much of either would need to be brought with, and the environmental qualities fall far outside what humans require, so with the Moon being so much closer, wouldn't it make more sense to colonize it fitst? Several hurdles to Mars might be solved there, and if it could be a launching point, weather concerns might matter less. Sure, whatever takes out the Earth might also destroy our Moon, but... It just seems like lunar colonization should come first, if only to work out some of the bugs in a scenario much closer to Earth, and possible help. Oh well, with various governments not cooperating, and wasteful spending everywhere, we probably won't do either anytime soon.

[@benyosep5640]

Why would we waste money to live on the moon? What's the benefit? Been there done that.