The REAL REASON Elmyra will NOT return in TINY TOONS Looniversity

[@TheScreenHopper]

2024 UPDATE: So I’ve been gone a while and a lot has changed. Spoilers for TTL Ahead: So Elmyra IS actually now back… of course she is XD BUT to be fair this didn’t happen until recently with season 2 (not including the intro) She is also cast by Cree Summer again whom was the original cast member in TTA and also the one who publicly announced in the first place that herself and even the whole character would not be returning for this new show (these where the facts I was dealing with at the time). But yes to the countless people telling me “I’m wrong” or worse, please keep in mind that hindsight is a thing. This video is over 3 years old now, so with these new developments of course I would go back and make changes if I could (certainly to my conclusion). BUT at the time, those were the facts and these were my theoretical understandings of those facts. Now, 3 years later, we have new facts. She’s back. And that's okay. We can be wrong in retrospect. But although she's back, she is still not the same animal lover-turned-abuser character that she was before and I believe my arguments in my video are still valid reasons for them deciding to change her character for this new show. That being said… I could be wrong again XD

[@onidaaitsubasa4177]

Oh, she must've gotten her behavioral therapy and that's why she wasn't in the 1st season. Lol

[@TwinRiver100]

thanks for the pinned update .

[@SmartAlec86]

The largest mistake in your video was saying that something can be okay back then but not now. I claim if it's okay now or not. But I will say that if something isn't okay now, then it never was okay. The only reason something was accepted back then is because it had to be discovered that it's wasn't okay. For example, there was never a time when slavery was okay. We just had to discover that fact. There was never a time when racism was okay, or homophobia/transphobia. Although I do agree that PETA sucks. It went from an organization that had good intentions, to just being an organization scolds you for anything they view as animal abuse. Basically, if you don't worship animals as gods, PETA will scold you.

[@tbok75]

I'm only just now seeing this video. Wonderful job first off. As a child of 49y old, my circle of friends and I obsessed over tiny toons, even being seniors in high school. Elmyra was our fave character. The sugary sweet annoying-ness of her only made her more entertaining. Yes it was a different time, but really a WHOLE lot different than the original WB slapstick of decades past. I have seen one episode of the new show and couldn't bring myself to see another. I didn't see why they wouldn't have her back since they changed literally everything else about the characters. Lol I will go check out season 2 to to see exactly how they massaged her in but glad to know Cree Summer returned to the role. Great video tho

[@therealCrazyJake]

I just don’t understand how someone could miss the point of her character so hard as they have; her ENTIRE character is centered around a lack of self awareness and perspective taking. How have we fallen so hard as a society that at a time where we are obsessed with empathy and perspective that we can’t collectively pick up on satirizing what lacking in those departments can look like? We genuinely need a new satire boom like we had in the ‘60-70s!

[@Asukenick]

Elmyra meant well. She just overdid it. If her parents weren't so busy they could have told her not to be so over barring.

[@kenthuang436]

Elmyra is like many kids with hamsters. They keep the animals in small dangerous cages made of plastic and don’t realize just how much suffering they are causing their little friends. The kids don’t mean to do it and it often happens because the books they read on hamster care is written for kids and have faulty info and advice in them.

[@Borderose]

Elmyra's whole schtick was that she was the opposite of Elmer: Elmer is a hunter, yet he is basically harmless; Elmyra is an animal lover, but her love is deadly.

[@EricM-112]

Ironically she has more kills than fudd😅

[@jamesvanderbeek19]

today years old when I found this out...mind blown.

[@roachmorphine8018]

​@@EricM-112 I like to think Elmer never actually succeeded in hunting anything and decided he just enjoys the chase 😂

[@JoseMolina-ij3xx]

Actually, Elmyra is closer to the Abominable Snowman and Benny the Cat from the classic Warner Bros cartoons. She just has a superficial resemblance to Elmer Fudd.

[@Borderose]

@@roachmorphine8018 If I recall correctly in the few instances he thinks he succeeded or caused Bugs to die he was always beset with grief and regret. "Poow widdle bunny." Sometimes I think he chases Bugs because he's lonely since he lives alone in the woods and has no neighbors in some of the episodes where we get to see his house.

[@Anaken12]

I remember when Elmira appeared on Animaniacs. She was one of the few characters that the Warner brothers and sister were legitimately afraid of🤭

[@KariIzumi1]

Lol, I’ve never seen that crossover but I wanna see it

[@Gumbier_Than]

@@KariIzumi1 she was in a series with Pinky & The Brain too.

[@COMALiteJ]

I’m trying to remember how the Warners dealt with her in that episode. So far as I know, only one “villain” has ever truly defeated the Warners so that they _stayed_ defeated even at the end of the episode, and even, when the villain left, wound up wanting more of the defeat he was giving them: *Francis “Pip” Pumphandle* (Ben Stein) from the episode “Chairman of the Bored.” The Survey Ladies came close but they did defeat or at least escape them in the end. Not so with Pip.

[@loonytunescrazy]

@@COMALiteJ They had her follpwing Mindy and getting the accidents that Buttons normally has

[@derekclay9314]

Hahahah😂😂😂😂😂😂 Genius

[@foxthetailsdollman]

update, she's not the school photographer, she has her own building in the city, and is basically a pet photographer

[@tatsubakesyuki9201]

I really get that animal abuse is a thing, but instead of taking out on CARTOONS, the fight should be with real animals that are being abused. Not something that is animated. I didn't care too much for Elmyra, but it won't quite be the same without her. She wasn't even doing this on purpose, she just had too much love to give

[@wrestlethon917]

Indeed. People these days get butt- hurt over the smallest things. Elmyra wasn't abusive to animals . Elmyra smothed animals with love and affection. Unlike Montana Max that rich ass brat that they protrayed as the devil in a few accasions.

[@underdogtv2855]

Good Job this video is well made.

[@blaria95]

@@wrestlethon917 , She squeezed a bat, used Pinky and the Brain as darts, etc. There are many examples of harm.

[@CynderSpirit]

Elmira reminds of that girl in that one Charlie Brown episode "Snoopy Come Home."

[@luvvvvem]

right, i don’t like her character AT ALL but there’s still gonna be something missing without her there.

[@Jopo1226]

Elmyra was in my eyes more of an anti hero than an antagonist. She would sometimes help out the good characters from time to time. She wasn't pure evil like Montana Max. She is even on your side in the weight mini game in buster busted loose.

[@snakeeyes2551]

I think in Elmyra's case she didn't realize that she was hurting them. Even in some episodes she even questioned why do the animals leave her or she starts to cry.

[@blaria95]

@@snakeeyes2551 ,Well she's not that smart, so...

[@jaydtuareagibsonchannelcar8313]

I can't believe they removed elmyra From the reboot

[@Stylez-13]

Anyone remeber Elmira and pinky and the brain

[@kenthuang436]

Elmyra was more of an unintentional antagonist who wasn’t fully aware of the negative impact of her interactions with animals were. She clearly didn’t want to hurt any of them. Elmyra is like kids who have hamsters as pets and keep them in those dangerous plastic cages far too small for them. The kids don’t mean to cause the hamsters any distress and don’t know any better because the books they have access to on hamster care are written for kids and give some faulty information and the cages have cartoon smiling hamsters on them to lure parents into buying them. They thinking that they are being good hamster owners and don’t realize the true impact their good intentions have on the animals.

[@TheSuperMegaFox]

Pepe Le Pew & Speedy Gonzales are two good examples of characters that were banned for completely stupid reasons. If you take a good look at any cartoon character, you can find a dumb reason to protest said character. - "Elmer Fudd should be banned because he tries to kill rabbits" - "Pinky and the Brain should be banned because they are trying to take over the world. - "Buster bunny should be banned because he doesn't wear pants". I wish some of these studios would grow a pair and start flipping the bird to these lunatics.

[@K3nny___543]

Pepe le pew got only banned :'(

[@WelshGiraffa]

Ye Speedy is still fine since Mexico loves him and don’t see anything wrong with him Pepe on the other hand yeah

[@postplays]

@@WelshGiraffa Speedy was "problematic" because his cousins and other relatives were depicted as the stereotypical "lazy mexicans." Having Mexican roots myself, I never found any of these depictions offensive. They were hilarious and accurate. It's all for comedy and it takes all kinds of personalities in any culture. IF ANYTHING should be offensive at all is when Speedy calls any non-Mexican character a "gringo" since that word usually has a negative connotation to it no matter what the context. IRL or otherwise. But of course no one talks about that since its OK to be racist to Caucasians, according to the popular view. Its gross and hypocritical.

[@elcanaldelucas6187]

As i understand, people always critisized pepe le pew, so warner changed him since space jam 1 so he wasn't a harasser anymore. When i don't remember his name wrote an article about him in the new york times, he was just pointing out that pepe le pew's old shorts should be watched as mistakes from the past that we should learn from, not that they should be banned, but the media said that he said it and people just believed it. And Warner decided to remove him from space jam 2 before all this drama startes. (Ps: sorry for my bad english)

[@purpledodecahedron7169]

@@postplays hey, I'm actually Mexican, and I live in Brownsville, Texas. And I think Speedy Gonzalez rocks. I never felt offended by him. I love Speedy.

[@williamrogers4917]

Back in the 90s, we were more maturity mentally than today. But with the change entertainment and realizing that most outrage is made of bots, she might could make a return. But there is some truth of her character as being representative of how some young children don't know any better in handling the household pet.

[@HeliosKou]

We weren't more mentally mature. We didn't get the references and just saw it as cartoons. Trust there were issues with this show back then but because we were kids, we didn't know that

[@MrStrikecentral]

All that Elmyra needs is a slight rework to her 'antagonistic' approach to animals. Keep her enthuasism and love for animals intact, but have all of her exploits simply backfire and not turn out as she hopes, while she realizes something went wrong. Make her into someone who always tries her best to do the right thing, but something always goes wrong in the process, as if she has some sort of curse on her. It would be even funnier to make her hyper-intelligent and genually meaning well, but nothing ever goes according to plan, no matter how much time and effort she puts into getting it right (kind of like the Brain, now that I think about it). And, since we're on the subject of Elmyra, what about Montana Max? Is he in the new show? Because unlike Elmyra, Max was definately aware of his actions harming the other characters and he used his money to get his way all the time. Max was intentionally going out of his way to harm the others simply because he could get away with it and knew he could. Tormenting the other toons was his entertainment. I think there even was an episode or two in which Max and Elnyra butted heads because of his blatantly malicious actions.

[@gexianhen]

Max is in but his chararacter archetype is still relevant, cause spoiled rich brats are still as evil as ever

[@gexianhen]

Even her surname Duff is Fudd backwards ( kinda)

[@JoseMorales-lw5nt]

Can we just take a moment to praise Elmira Duff for giving us the most adult scene from the original TINY TOONS... giving Montana Max an open mouth kiss that stopped him from pranking her with a seltzer bottle?! A kiss that lasted for a good 5 seconds, which nowadays is pretty tame. But in 1992? Good Lord, this version of her interactions with fellow humans never gets discussed in reboot world!

[@JawbreakerXD]

Thats one of my favorite episodes. I remember Monty in an irritable manner asking her at a restaurant if she was done eating and she replies "Yes, Daddy it was wonderful. "

[@blazingsonic]

You know that is ironic I had a back of the mind idea of what if Tiny Toons were actual collage students and we get this Jessica Rabbit looking girl, all the guys do the horny wild takes the girls are trying to investigate who she is, she ignores all the come on but is strangely flirty with Monty when no one is around she pulls out a therapy plushie and hugs before putting away before anyone sees, after all the gags and her evading her true identity being found out, we see her for a moment pull out that plushie and let it slip for the audience that she's none other than Elmira. Episodes later would reveal she's has been taking therapy but her therapist is none other than The Brain who wanted to fix her as a plow to take over the world but in the end chose to help her make her into a functioning human being, Now what Looney Tune character she takes after for a twist she was attending MGM Looniversity and her teacher was Red from the Droopy cartoons.

[@TrevBer-hs1lz]

I'm going back to watch it right now

[@ForceMaximus84]

I think Elmyra could return if she got comeuppance for what she did like she often did in the cartoon. We don’t need to be sensitive to the use of satire at this point.

[@karlhelm875]

elmyra moved to another part of Acme Acres and is going to a different school(just a thought). i hope the perfectos are in the reboot. Particularly Margo Mallard. She won't be as seductive this time.

[@TheScreenHopper]

@@karlhelm875 Yeah I certainly hope to see more rival clashes with the Looniversity Toonsters and the Perfecto Prepers, especially Roderick and Rhubella Rat who I feel where criminally under used, but that’s a video I’ll be covering soon.

[@ForceMaximus84]

@Stephen Qualio No, they’re dropping her entirely.

[@mehchocolate1257]

@@TheScreenHopper Mira hugs and calls the animals George 😂😂😂😂

[@jjohnson2445]

​@@TheScreenHopper yet elmyra and Max were in the theme song for tiny toons looniversity

[@julymiller7456]

More proof that today's audience is too literal and easily butt hurt.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Exactly.

[@JessePrower]

It’s less that and that it’s easier for people to post knee jerk reactions for it to be reposted and seen so quickly. People see the initial reactions, take it as gospel without thinking for themselves. Or not watch it and form opinions from these reactions. Social media brainrot and the lack of critical thinking are to blame.

[@mitchmyrick8053]

She isn't being cancelled over the animal stuff. I guarantee she's being canceled for how the represents mental disabilities.

[@TheBarkShark]

We ran more on logic and intelligence in the 90s. These days people are all about their feelings and being a victim in any way possible.

[@HeliosKou]

No we didn't. The 90s were not this whole peaceful era. Bullying was widely accepted. People weren't allowed to be themselves out of fear of being ostracized Kids weren't smarter then either. We just didn't have easy access to information like they dontoday

[@PoorMuttski]

The 90’s were twice as “woke” as 2024. Music, film, and every other medium went through a violent whiplash against the conservative 80’s. I don’t know how you break that down into intelligence vs. victimhood, especially since those two things don’t actually oppose each other. But if you are trying to imply that people were less sensitive to violence and a cruelty, you are setting yourself up for disappointment

[@lockmuertos]

@@HeliosKou Social Media hasn't made us better people. Quite the opposite i'm afraid.

[@lockmuertos]

@@PoorMuttski I bellieve TheBarkshark was referring to the "victimhood mentality". People who live with a victimhood mentality (easily triggered Woke Folk) are pretty much 100% guaranteed to find Grievance somewhere, and Social Media *will* hear about it. The 80s and early 90s were different in this regard.

[@HeliosKou]

@@lockmuertos woke was big in the 80s and 90s. you didnt see it alot unless tit was on the news because social media didnt exist. not to mention most of the complaining came from conservatives trying to tell everyone else what was offensive while at the same time trying to put down marginalized groups of people. It wasnt until those people had enough and started to fight back did "woke" become a bad thing

[@TheSSUltimateGoku]

I no longer believe this because the fact that they can justify Babs and buster bunny now being siblings when in the original show they were no relation and multiple times in kissing on the lips and dating. If they wanted to cancel and Elmyra for her questionable “character trait” I need to question the studio for their morals with their creepy tendencies to make this actually a thing.

[@DracSWyrm]

I believe their relationship was also in the song too.

[@SilverScribe85]

Since animation is always looking for diverse characters, this COULD present the opportunity for Mary Melody to arrive in the Tiny Toons reboot (which is actually pretty entertaining BTW.) Elmyra wasn't the only character Cree voiced on the show, after all

[@austinmorrison6953]

Elmyra is a menace to animals everywhere but she’s still not a true villain. She’s a little girl with a big heart and a microscopic brain who just doesn’t know or comprehend how much harm she does

[@bunnybird9342]

If anything, it's her parents' fault for not teaching her how to handle animals properly and instead they keep letting her get new pets. If I had a child like Elmyra, I would ban them from having pets and I would only let them have toy animals until they knew how to handle real animals properly.

[@pickles3128]

Lenny just wanted to pet the little bunnies...

[@The_Oblivion_Light]

He is absolutely 100% correct. Its not much of a reboot unless all of the main characters return, but she was a loving monster with pets and other animals where she loved animals literally to death

[@InktheImpassive]

As long as Calamity Coyote, Lil' Beeper, and Furball appears. I'm fine with it. Calamity Coyote is mute and probably much smarter than Wile E. Coyote, Lil' Beeper just has a really cute design, and Furball's circumstances of being a stray homeless cat scavenging for food in garbage cans never fails to make me emotional.

[@casinotrio1965]

Hey Here's An animal Who Liked Elmyra... Pinky. he actually got along great with her from what i've seen of pinky Elmyra and The Brain.

[@FlyingDuckMan360]

+mlpgirl 1998 Also Li'l Sneezer. In "Awful Orphan" (part of Looking Out For the Little Guy), Sneezer not only tolerated Elmyra, but was able to give her a taste of her own medicine with his powerful sneezes. Although Elmyra wasn't doing anything particularly antagonistic in that episode, considering the way she treats animals most of the time, a lot of fans felt she had it coming.

[@Deimos_Fresh]

Personally I never had any problems with Elmyra. Whatever the reason for not including her, I'd say it's not the worst scenario we can get. It's the current culture that surrounds this show is what bother me.

[@Borderose]

The current youth culture is stupid. I'd take the emos and the vampire kids over these puritanical, woke weirdos a hundred times out of a hundred. At least the emos made nice art--even if it was a little edgy and depressing. The cringe was in their self-pity, not in these ridiculous displays of virtue. It's like kids these days are in a constant competition to be the most aggressively "good" person in the world.

[@Youtube.Commen-tater]

@@Borderose you understand those woke puritans are in the same generation experiencing an emo/goth revival right

[@loonytunescrazy]

I didn't either

[@spooktoonz]

Dude, if anyone is copying what Elmyra does, they have serious problems. Even for children, it should be common knowledge not to imitate her.

[@ninjafoxgamesgeekery]

Late to this video, but.... Kids don't copy Elmyra, she's an exaggerated copy of what kids naturally do! You have to teach little kids how to carry a puppy or kitten, otherwise they will just pick up kittens by the neck and carry them by it like a doll. Dressing them up like dolls for tea parties is not unheard of or unseen in videos, both home videos on VHS from a long time ago and modern day as well. They just take these little things you have to teach kids and made it exaggerated for comical effect as an antagonist. She's never intentionally torturing animals, just torture that kids can unwittingly do to pets when not corrected.

[@spooktoonz]

@@ninjafoxgamesgeekery you have a good point! I guess people either don’t know how kids naturally are, or they just don’t know what exaggeration is.

[@Aerodeth]

Yes, because technically she's a VILLIAN. Villains are meant to be vilified. Sure she was a lovable villain at times, but she was still a villian like Montana Max.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

You would think that. But ya forget so far we westerners have a common history on rather handling mental health, just make bandaid solutions like banning a cartoon for being "problematic"

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

​@@ninjafoxgamesgeekery lot today still can't even raise em right.

[@mrhalloween1152]

Elmyra was the one even Montana max was really scared of 🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelfortheloss292]

Even the Warner Brothers (and sister) were scared when she was present

[@REMcCullick]

I figure part of the reason Elmyra wasn't going to be in Looniversity was that the reboot couldn't afford Cree Summer. When she was in TTA, she was a relatively new voice actor. However in the last 2 and a half decades she's been in EVERYTHING and she now charges far more than she used to.

[@JoshuaSolomon]

Except that she had already been the voice of Penny in Inspector Gadget and was starring in A Different World at the time. And I imagine that the budget for the reboot was bigger than that for Codename Kids Next Door, which she was doing at the same time as Drawn Together.

[@h3llg3ar]

This held up well, especially since Elmyra is not only in Looniversity, but Cree Summer reprises her role of said character.

[@foxthetailsdollman]

this is why its best not to assume stuff, without actual proof, or info to back it up...

[@TheScreenHopper]

At the time, it was public knowledge that she wasn't coming back and even Cree Summer confirmed this herself. And this would be proven true as the character wasn't included at all in season 1. These are the facts. This is an old video, at the time it was true. Only now in Season 2 has she now returned. So maybe they changed their minds.. But regardless she is still not the character she was before and I believe it is for the reasons I have already stated in the video.

[@MikeTooleK9S]

I see kids manhandle animals all the time she literally represents that if you see that on TV you'll never do it

[@Anaken12]

This is probably the same reasoning behind why Slappy squirrel did not return to animmaniacs. Creators are probably afraid of the backlash from sensors for Slappy‘s crude and often violent sense of humor.

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

Quite possibly. Though I suspected being voiced by one of the former series’ writers might’ve had a hand in the matter - but I guess that was tossed out the window when she returned in the 3rd season.

[@princessmarlena1359]

That annoyed me. Slappy is awesome, we need her take on today’s mess of a society more than ever.

[@misspinkpunkykat]

She reminded me a bit of a female George Carlin and I always wondered if she didn't somewhat inspire the character Foamy the Squirrel from a KZbin animated current events commentary show called "Neuroticly Yours"

[@lordnul1708]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's mostly contractual reasons AND Elmyra's nature, it's the same reason that the MCU has to go through absurd loops to use Spider-Man because Sony is the one with movie rights to the character. Elmyra is the definitive example of the "how not to treat them" method of spreading awareness of how kids CAN mistreat animals while completely believing that they're only helping and being loving. You hit the nail on the head in that regard, and it's obvious regardless of who you show it too.

[@ShinFahima]

Elmyra was like, the type of kid that would pet a cat backwards.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Stewie: “My guess is that she used to have a bunny, but not for long and not anymore!”

[@cameronmitchell180]

Elmyra had the ability to make a child take a look at themselves and recognize her mocked behaviors in themselves and stop mistreateating animals.

[@happyhappystimpy6017]

The fact that they let Elmer Fudd chase Bugs Bunny with a literal scythe, but not let Elmyra back in the Tiny Toon Looniversity reboot is literally the most hypocritical bullshit I've ever heard of.

[@sifuculreif6448]

Elmira is one of those "acceptable at the time" examples from decades prior that are considerably worse in retrospect. I think the biggest thing that initially omitted, and later re-designed Elmira for the reboot, is views on consent. Consent has always been an important thing, but in recent years it has seen more focus in the public eye, even compared to the 90's. On top of that, Elmira disregards consent in often torturous scenes that last for minutes at a time. Torture is also a thing that was always bad, but examples look worse in retrospect. There's also the Way it was presented. Yes, it was represented as a bad thing to do, but I guarantee that the visceral, albeit brilliantly artistic, way it was emphasized on screen with little warning, would trigger anyone who has experience on the receiving end of similar trauma. Trauma was much more overlooked in the 90's, as we were still in the tail-end of parents saying "suck it up, wimp" without actually examining problems further than skin deep. So some of the attitudes have changed on things that were mostly bad to begin with. Background stress is different from then, and tolerances have moved from puritanical to therapeutic.

[@FlyingCougar42]

I’m Gen Z and I love Elmyra as a character. Even tho of how awful she is. I’m more of an anmaniacs fan, but I loved her appearance on the show. I wish that Warner Bros. animation bring back all characters instead of just catering to people who take offense in everything. For Anmanics I was dearly disappointed that most of the cast was removed. You only see The Warner’s and Pinky and the brain that’s mostly it. I hope most make a return for tiny toons.

[@kgrfirdjy]

I am bummed out to hear such news. She really was not that bad of a character, despite all of her unintentional buffoonery in smothering her animal friends with love. I agree with her working more as a veterinary technician as nurses only treat humans. I have yet to treat any sick or injured non-human animals as a registered nurse.

[@CrimsonReclaimer]

Bro I’m 39 and I never realized she was a kid Elmer.

[@Godzilla1982]

Same but I'm 42. I'm speechless lmao.

[@Andrew_Warden]

This was news to me too. Mind blown.

[@Mr_Flerb]

I suspect you’re right that the reason she’s not returning has to do with the current social climate, but I doubt it’s related to how she treats animals. I imagine it’s more to do with featuring a female character who is both villainous and stupid. In a world of Reys, there’s no room for an Elmyra.

[@jameswilson9348]

The more I hear about the new series the less I want to watch it. Elmyra never caused me to want to hurt animals. If anything it gave a good example of how not to act. Plus my parents actually parented me and didn't use the TV as a babysitter.

[@shadowwolf9467]

Maybe they could bring back Elmyra but toning her roughness down, i mean it could work.

[@chrisnelson5131]

What I saw as the main problem with her original character was that she rarely faced any consequence for her actions, and when she did, she was too unintelligent to grasp that she had it coming. This was likely because, as you noted, she never INTENDED any harm, and of course because status quo is necessary, but it was still jarring that outside of each individual episode, no one did anything about her. Especially in a setting where teachers can step in and help her and her victims. I don't see the issue today being that people don't understand the "don't try this at home" nature of it. But we have gone through many cultural improvements when it comes to students bullying or otherwise being insufferable to one another, intentionally or not. Her entire schtick just doesn't work in a school setting now where students are better prepared to identify these behaviors in their peers and faculty are trained to assist properly. (I have worked 18 years as a teacher, so this is where I'm coming from.) And personally, I found it awkward even in the 90's just how inconsistently the dynamics at play were applied. In old Bugs Bunny cartoons, it was understood that Elmer was a human and Bugs was an animal. In Tiny Toons, this was malleable and... weird. Do the students stand as equals, as people? Or are the animal characters treated differently? It seemed to depend on the episode and the writer, and it almost always came up through Elmyra. (I haven't seen any of the new series, so I can't comment on her ultimate inclusion there or if any of this dynamic I found to be off as a child comes up now.)

[@therealcushandchefmonkeyshow]

Warner Bros.: (considers putting Elmyra in) PETA: I took that personally

[@TheScreenHopper]

XD

[@postplays]

PETA kills more animals that they save. Its a money laundering front.

[@therealcushandchefmonkeyshow]

so true peta’s a huge scam euthanizing poor dogs just because they were homeless and they thought it was the merciful thing to do without even giving them a chance to find a family before they do it sad times peta blames everything else when there the problem

[@rorylumley4727]

She did appear in an episode in season 2 of tiny toons lonnversity. Though she was toned down as her pets seemed fairly happy and healthly. The worse thing she did was put the animals in another room as her animal photography needed more variety.

[@jeremyriley1238]

Man, what a crazy trip Looniversity's development is. First Elmyra was said to not return, and now, she is coming back (with Cree Summer actually returning to reprise her role). Although there is a good chance the reboot will end up either toning down her character so she is not abusing animals in a way that can be easily imitated, or changed completely to the point where she is not obsessed with taking random animals home and caring for them in the wrong way due to her poor choice of methods (like how they changed Buster and Babs to being siblings and how Fifi will be changed to a poet and minor character to avoid being accused of double standards after kicking Pepe out of future Looney Tunes projects).

[@combatking0]

Back in the 90's we could separate fiction and fantasy from reality.

[@buddyzilla4557]

I think the other reasoning is the origins of her schtict. Everyone recognizes she is physically based off of Elmer Fudd but her perosnailty and running gag is actually based off of the abominable snowman. He himself was a direct parody of Lenny from Of Mice and Men. This was more noticeable in his character than Elmira as he would call everyone George and obsess specifically over rabbits. It is clear to see however, that Elmira was directly cut from his cloth. Lenny was a character with an intellectual disabilty in a world that was insensitive and misunderstanding of such a concept. The book was written to help point out the societal injustices of this issue and it is one that still plagues us today. Stigma on disabilities, especially cognative and mental health is a real problem that has made very little progress compared to other minority groups. The abominable snowman took what was supposed to be a serious and nuanced character for nuanced study and broke it down into the very negative comedic steriotype the classic was trying to help fight. Elmira is the same. You even recognize her as psycho and too stupid to understand. You'll notice the abominable snowman doesn't show up anymore either and I think it's because it is now being recognized as an offensive blackface of intellectual disabilty. You can claim this as hypersensitive but unless you are part of that community and recognize the harm yhe misportrayal does firsthand, you can't speak on it reliably. It's the same as representation in old cartoons of minorities in a wrongful ways. No one took issue at the time but the subject of those "jokes" but now we have the emotionally intellegence to understand that it was wrong. By claiming adults were more aware in the past allowing it you are aligning yourself with the wrong side of history here a bit and may want to rethink your stance..I dont mind her removal in general though because she was a one note character and there lies the other potential reason. How often will you really want to have this same dumb joke played over? We've had her joke in past characters like the snowman and baby bear for nearly a century and all it boils down to is "character tries to help, character instead hurts." How exciting. So many possibilities. With a show that has such a large cast and is trying to set itself apart from It's prior iteration, why would you waste time and energy bringing back one that is so limited to its one gag kf the prior show? Especially one that failed you on another attempt to do a simliar thing with your properties and may be now more acticely considered a negative portrayal of a minority group? I think this is an act of nostalgia blinding people to the fact it is just a poor choice in a lot of regards and lashing out because babies want what they want mindlessly. What really would she bring to the show? How often could they ise her before the repetativeness makes her presence more unwelcome. I feel the same fantasy defending her now would have been indifferent or comiserating of her getting screentime if this wasn't a thing. I also feel if they just kept her off the show and Cree Summers did not Trump Tweet anything, most would not notice. It's when it's made a big deal by manipulative media like yourself, more focused on viewership and thus personal gain that it becomes a thing in fashion by the propaganda spin. It's really shameful because she is a very outdated and antiprigressive portrayal if a community that has been one of the the least well treated even in today's society, which has only suffered for it. People wanting to push their own careers at the expense of the most vulnerable are really pathetic, uncreative, desperate and disgusting human beings. Can there really not be a better character than this? Do we REALLY need to keep having it come back to show how little we have changed since eour grandparents and great grandparents generation where we will laugh at those with different needs like children ourselves bullying that kid in the class?

[@buildtherobots]

As a child who might have been considered a watered down version of Elmyra (in addition to being a syndication viewer at a young age) I would love to see Elmyra brought back and shown as a dynamic character who has grown in her ability to see how her actions hurt others and is then intent on making amends. Like maybe she is shown looking after a couple of younger human children and observes them being a bit rough with a pet and she intervenes to correct the behavior. Maybe she could explain to them some stuff about animal body language and ways that are appropriate to interact with animals so that they don't always want to run away from you. I understand that this would remove a lot of the conflict that drives the plot and thus another antagonist would have to be found. But I would like to see her learn from her mistakes. Maybe she ran out of room in the pet cemetery, maybe she had a period of time following the death of a pet in which she was not with any animals and realized that she missed the ones she hugged to death. I don't know.

[@bunnybird9342]

I'm too young to remember Tiny Toon Adventures so therefore I've never actually watched it. But although I know she isn't a real person, if she were then I would hope that someday she would realize that she is hurting animals (however this also means that she will have to live with the guilt of hurting other animals in the past). And this is coming from somebody who still feels horrible about the fact that I basically abused so many of my budgies as a kid but didn't realize it until I was older.

[@ConejoZing]

Joke is, just like Fudd, Elmyra is a HUMAN. This allows her, for better or worse to SEVERELY abuse the food chain or her position. She also looks like a Harkonnen. So this sets up an interesting dynamic, are the animals smarter or tougher than she is? "When someone tunes a [musical instrument,] they adjust it so that it produces the right notes."

[@cameronmitchell180]

Thanks man! If she's back it's thanks to efforts like these. Good job!

[@kathleenbyrnedalton]

Hey, I wonder if Elmyra gets revenge for not allowed in the reboot the same way Chicken Boo did in the Animaniacs reboot?

[@cameronmitchell180]

She was a perfect character. Absolutely hilarious. Kids can handle violence but today's adults are way to soft.

[@krmiistudios2479]

I think it’s likely that Plucky will have Daffy’s personality from the Looney Tunes show, and Lola Bunny will Appear in the reboot

[@fzcbh4698]

Something tells me that they will make Lola a physical and fitness class teacher.

[@TheScreenHopper]

​@@fzcbh4698 I’ve always said that if they bring back Tiny Toons, then Lola should be in it as the sports/PE teacher, as that make perfect sense to her character, so I completely agree. There is also potential for things to get a little heated from time to time as well, because Lola is considered to be very attractive to the other toons, so it would be funny to see Buster, Plucky and Hamton, get all jellified and goosebumpy around her, and therefore making the girls, Babs, Shirley and Fifi a little annoyed and of course a little jealous. Obviously I don’t want this to happen all the time, but I think as a plot catalyst to a singular episode, it would be cool to see. After-all for many of us over the years we’ve all had that one teacher who was… well…yeah... What I'm saying is, it wouldn't be out of place, as teenage students commonly tend to develop crushes on their teachers. BUT let’s just make sure it goes no further than that… for everyone’s sake.

[@fzcbh4698]

I see, I think mostly she will be Basketball coach, head cheerleaders and acrobats teacher. Mostly I think she will gave classes for girls for how to be badass female since there are many female roles in cartoons these days. Also I think she will give a lecture about shape changing/character design changing and as running gag about how Lola able to turn her body from sexually to less sexually in the new Space Jam film xD Like how Bugs Bunny change his body into huge muscle rabbit in the first Space Jam film.

[@dragonninjaghostgirl7981]

I hope lola appears in reboot every since field of honey I felt bad for Babs not having a Mentor/Idol of her own. So why not Lola and Babs.

[@FlyingDuckMan360]

+KR Mii Studios My prediction for Looniversity is that Fifi La Fume will end up joining Elmyra in being excluded; her mentor, Pepe Le Pew was cut from Space Jam: A New Legacy and future Looney Tunes projects due to the Cancel Culture viewing him as a sexual predator. Fifi shares a lot of her mentor's less-than-admirable traits, such as being a stalker with a crush and not taking no for an answer. Penelope Pussycat was also cut from Space Jam: A New Legacy despite only doing Pepe's shtick once.

[@kirara2516]

Ah the 90's back when cartoons could show weapons and other things and teach how dangerous they were in mature ways and treat kids with a moral respect. (Looking at Gargoyles where Broadway almost unalived Elisa with her own weapon) Where today the best way people think they can protect kids is to never mention it and it'll magically never be a problem. I am so glad I grew up in the 90's.

[@tashahemlock8195]

It would be interesting if in the reboot, there would be a throwaway line explaining that Elmyra is commited to a Acme Asylum to help her with her aggressive love towards animals. That way she would be mentioned but not seen. Still. It's gonna be weird without a Tiny Toons version of Elmer Fudd. But.... I think it would be for the best.

[@trinketsphinx3212]

12:00 -- I think most of us 90s kids killed one goldfish... I fed mine pizza. I was too young to understand fish don't care for pizza, I wanted to be a good girl and share my tasty treat. My black cat, Daisy, however, is exceptionally cared for and even mildly trained. Her vet always has good things to say about her health, and her absolute favorite cat bed is my lap.

[@nuclearswan]

I can’t believe there’s anyone who would wonder why the contemporary cartoon industry would never utilize a character like this. That was another time people. And while I definitely understand why a character like this probably isn’t a good idea, I think it’s gone a bit too far in the opposite direction today. However, I will say, as kids, we all thought Elmyra was hilarious, and we acutely understood that she was psychotic.

[@userfridaywiggly18943]

It’s a cartoon , it’s not real it shouldn’t matter , the people working at WB are taking this too seriously, and she was already utilized in the spin off

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

@@userfridaywiggly18943 If she had been funny in the first place, it might be a harder debate to have, but it was cringey even then. Not unlike a whole host of other programs aimed at children during the '80s and '90s.

[@hissignaturestudios6869]

And yet we got Fifi Lefume back, despite her being exactly the same as Pepe Lepew (who was canceled) but a girl. Warner Bros. pissed me off.

[@Sojoboscribe]

They tweaked her, same as they tweaked Elmyra. The new Fifi isn't nearly as man crazy, and they don't make the "she stinks" jokes anymore. I admit the new Fifi is sort of vapid, but censorship wise, she is harmless.

[@IsitheScribe]

Bannning the show's break out caharacter just seems like a poor move. That said, there was some new artwork of TT Looniversity released at San Diego Comic Con this year and Elmyra features in the background along with the rest of the cast! Maybe there's hope? Also I have to rate you for including forgotten/unused character Lightning Rodriguez as part of the Tiny Toons line up at the begining! I love that little guy! Props.

[@EeveelutionStorm]

I'm actually okay with her never returning, because it WAS extremely disturbing to repeatedly display an animal abuser as a protagonist, where frequently she was rewarded. I still remember the episode, where she was talking about all the animals she had killed and their zombies coming back. The episode ended off on her getting a shovel adn digging announcing "Don't worry! I'm coming to play!" insinuating, she was going to dig up her dead pets and play with them. I had nightmares about that episode for months, I was so young, I didn't have the words to describe how sick and scared it made me, because I had met people who acted like that towards animals...

[@Sk8rToon]

My head cannon during the original run was that Elmyra had dirt on someone at WB. Why else would her character get a couple back door spinoff pilots & was part of Pinky, Elmyra, & the Brain? Now watching this a year after posting & seeing all the WB/Discovery fallout with HBOMax & the rumors that the new show (that Elmyra’s not in) may never actually be released… I still have this head cannon. Whatever dirt she has them must be a whopper!

[@jvanimation9520]

She’s physically 12 but mentally 3, she doesn’t know any better. You can’t hold that against her.

[@bunnybird9342]

If anything, it's actually her parents' fault for not intervening. Elmyra isn't actively malicious; she's just extremely stupid.

[@andrewchoi5808]

I wish Elmyra will appear again Without abuse them and be a good girl

[@bloodycoffee9293]

Bro even Yakko, Wakko, and Dot are afraid of Elmyra, and those three definitely have a kill count

[@matthewhandy8958]

My guess is the only reason that hasn’t been a tiny toons trailer yet is because they’re working on it privately. You know like in secret.

[@TheScreenHopper]

Yeah it would be cool if our first introduction to the toons was in Space Jam 2, maybe Bugs could be teaching a class and then he is called into action… I highly doubt this is going to happen as Space Jam 2 wrapped filming some-time ago and as far as we are aware TTL hasn’t even started production yet… But regardless a cameo would still have been cool, especially as they were not even referenced in the last one.

[@harrypotteryescaillouno45]

@@TheScreenHopper I'll be surprised if the Tiny Toons are in the movie.

[@TheScreenHopper]

@@harrypotteryescaillouno45 yeah I don't actually think it will happen, but it would be a cool way of re-introducing them, it would also be cool if after the match Bugs asks Lola to stick around this time and then when TTA comes back she can be one of the teachers...... It's not going to happen, but if it did...

[@jeffreywilliams8499]

You do make a good point Matthew Handy by the way I like your profile picture of Fifi la fume

[@JacobElyachar]

I think we need Elmyra back. She could be used in a #MeToo storyline and finally face justice.

[@kitsunegiblaze8022]

Elmyra and Montana Max as Amber Heard & Johnny Depp.

[@hiddenflare6169]

Uhhh you really think having her to be a uh abuser (to put it lightly) is the best way to bring her back? Maybe just... Have her be more of a character in other ways, or something?

[@JRProductions1203]

That is an Unbelievable Stupid Idea!!

[@kevinsaget123]

Long story short: We live in a “society” and cancel culture exists… 😣

[@leephillips4402]

Elmyra's whole thing was hunter's weren't allowed to appear in Cartoons anymore so they had to make her love animals too much, now they can't even do that. What's the character that replaces her gonna become unusable for?

[@finduxiauniverse2927]

The creators of the reboot NEED to see this and realize how ridiculous their reasoning is for not having her on the new show

[@geoffreyrichards6079]

It’s not really the fault of the showrunners, it’s more of a societal problem.

[@robertofabrizioiparraguirr6038]

Elmyra will never come back. 2024: Yeahhhhh about that.....

[@andrewchoi5808]

I hope Elmyra duff will return without hurting them

[@chrisrj9871]

Elmyra's a clear (and hilarious) example of what NOT to do with animals. Yeah it was never glamorized or treated like a children's educational episode or whatever haters are saying about her. The audience already knew this, and they just wanted to laugh.

[@seanlynott9033]

As a [nearly] decade’s worth of experience with animal rights (basically leaving animals off my plate and sharing memes on their behalf) I’d say Elmyra was a fine example of “here’s how you don’t treat animals” or people dress up, not animals.

[@foxthetailsdollman]

this video is out of date and wrong now, she's actually appearing in season 2, just saw commercial today with her in it, she's the school's animal photographer, so this youtuber doesn't know anything

[@JustAPrayer]

Seriously? If you want to teach kids to not abuse animals, then you should show them a character like Elmira. Elmira was depicted as being over the top on purpose. Kids watched her and thought, she’s crazy and animals are scared of her, so I shouldn’t treat animals the way she does. Leaving her out makes no sense.

[@heroshadow42]

I figured Elmyra is not coming back because she was the original Kanker. Some might say Pepe LePew would be the OG, but I can only recall 1 cartoon that ends with him on top. Meanwhile I recall Elmyra mostly coming on top at the end of most of her appearances.

[@brendachoi5628]

Bring elmyra back And be a better person

[@adamwalkervfx]

I'm just so worried about this reboot. The Animaniacs return was such a let down, now pretty much everyone's forgotten about it. Its episodes sometimes being a leftist echo chamber didn't help much, but I guess that's just the times we live in nowadays. I was wondering if you would mention in a future video about what contributed to the original Tiny Toons cancellation with the controversy of its early fandom, particularly with Dennis Falk?

[@TheScreenHopper]

Yeah same, I really do have concerns about the new show, especially given all the changes they made to the Animaniacs revival. It’s just a shame that everything nowadays has to tick all the boxes of a “check list”, there is nothing wrong with diversity and representation, but when it is woven into all mediums, all the time, it’s not so much representation anymore than it is forced ideology. And thank you for the suggestions; I intend to cover those topics in the near future :)

[@adamwalkervfx]

@@TheScreenHopper Please do. Your analytical style would help explain such a complicated topic very well. ;)

[@postplays]

Then don't bother getting hyped. I know I'm not. It's going to be trash just like every other "reboot" Hollywood spits out. You would think people would learn not to trust these left-wing nutjobs.

[@schorltourmaline4521]

I'm not worried. I know it's gonna be uninspired and terrible. I don't know why anyone would expected it to be anything more than "watchable".

[@debachiazabache8782]

Elmyra is the kind of villain that doesn't realize she's a villain

[@BfDelano]

Elmyra for Multiversus

[@charlottea.cavatica1696]

You know, if Elmyra DID return in the reboot, I think the punishment in the show for what she did in the original could be either: A. ban her from going anywhere near any animals of any kind B. take her to a haunted pizzeria with animal animatronics and leave her there at night, never to be seen again. C. have her tortured unmercifully by a famous, beloved comic book supervillain like, say, oh, I don't know, probably...The Joker.

[@FlyingDuckMan360]

+Charlotte A. Cavatica Or maybe have the animals treat her the exact same way she treats them as revenge for what she did to them.

[@marioluigi3122]

The last two options sound like potential Fnaf and Batman crossover ideas.

[@charlottea.cavatica1696]

@@FlyingDuckMan360 that doesn't sound like a bad idea.

[@charlottea.cavatica1696]

@@marioluigi3122 well, FNAF is owned by Warner Bros, thanks to the rights got the movie... Which is still not finished yet.

[@princessmarlena1359]

I love your FNAF reference! But she would send those animatronics screaming for the hills, Afton included. “I’m gunna wuv you and squeeze you, and void your manufacturer warranties!”

[@Hromovlad1]

judging by the promotional art of the reboot, she is in fact coming back

[@ridemywheelie]

Didn't this "bad abusive character" teach kids that abusing animals is bad?

[@redfox555]

Tot hink that Elmyra in Brazil is called Felicia makes me think '-' but yes, I do understand what you mean when you say why she can't come back.

[@Omegajunior2658]

That's a shame that Elmyra will not be in a 2022 reboot of the classic 1990s Warner Bros. cartoon. Maybe because of her cruelty towards the animals?

[@dustingibson1796]

Yeah, we couldn’t get away with writing characters like that anymore.. too many snowflakes would get offended by Elmira’s behavior…. Makes me shake my head disbelief just like George Carlin would.

[@Foxlover666]

I never liked her, even as a child, and found her humor repetitive, repulsive and one note even then. I never saw the show she was on with Pinky and the Brain, but she is universally blamed for that show's downfall and is hated by fans of that show. PC culture has nothing to do with people resenting a poor man's Elmer's Fud not being funny. You can do the right thing for the wrong reasons.

[@snakeeyes2551]

@Pink Morales If they did that nostalgia obsessed Tiny Toons fans would complain about the change in Elmyra's character.

[@angelfairy6676]

I liked her , she represented a common problem little kids having pets. Elmyra is a little girl that loves animals but she cannot take care of them properly and her parents dont seem to correct this so she continues to mistreat her animals thinking shes doing the right thing.

[@schorltourmaline4521]

The reason she failed in Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain is because they dumbed her down (yes, even more than she already was) and wouldn't let her be an antagonist, when she was made to be a villain character.

[@userfridaywiggly18943]

Then I’m sure you probably hated Montana Max and Dizzy Devil , they were repetitive villains 😒😒😒

[@bunnybird9342]

@@schorltourmaline4521that and because it was a completely unnecessary spinoff (even the creators hated it and you can even see it in the theme song)

[@TokenDrew]

Dude sounds almost exactly like top hat gaming

[@davids.7567]

I always felt sorry for Furrball.

[@jasonhare8540]

I think it's a mistake not to use Elmyra . The truth is she was a good example to other kids who might not have had as much self-control as some of the rest of us as a prime example of what not to do . Stay calm and don't overreact and don't get out of pocket or you could hurt the animal .

[@jaggin7561]

The morality comes in some play but to me I think its minor compared to the studio reason. It more so has to do with the ignorance of WB and Steven not understanding Pinky and the Brain. They thought the 2 would work better as a trio. As well as they loved Elmyra from Tiny Toons so much that the show actually gave her 2 backdoor pilots to their own series. After Tom Ruegger, the creator, tried to convince them that Pinky and the Brain only worked as a duo not a trio, they forcefully made them get another character to make them 3. So they chose Elmyra and Steven Spielberg also loved her as well so that was a no brainer. Making the spinoff could have made the studio happy. But unlike Disney, WB did not understand their audience just like now so that series became an ultimate failure that caused the crew of Tiny Toons and Animaniacs to basically be blacklisted in Hollywood for that terrible series. Yeah they found other jobs here and there even Tom and Paul Rugg leading a couple shows like The 7D and Pac Man 2013 show but when it comes to anything big they were not a part of it and nearly everyone else on that staff. Including the animaniacs reboot and they weren't taking Tom's agent phone calls. So since P, E, and B did so poorly they didn't want anything to do with her anymore damaging the duo to WB so bad or got to the point where they ignored it so much as it was no longer #1 in their eyes.

[@daniexists6]

I deleted my comment to say something else. Congrats, chumps. You played yourselves. As of SDCC 2022, we had gotten confirmation that all the characters are returning but had been recast because it's a full on, Ducktales-esque reboot. EDIT: furthermore, Cree is Elmyra again.

[@CecilWindbush]

Back then we knew the difference between reality and fiction . I'm glad I was Gen X.

[@HeliosKou]

No, no we didn't. We just didn't have a way to broadcast our ignorance so openly

[@toddfraser3353]

I disagree with the assessments that Almirah would have created a backlash, other than from PETA (But PETA would backlash against anything). But just the fact that Slapstick isn't a popular form of comedy currently. Partly because longer form narrative story telling us popular and there isn't a refresh after every episode, meaning characters like Almirah will need to have character growth, which I don't think we would like, and her pets would also have to deal with some of these consequences as well. Also any reboot of her character, would probably not be that great, the 90s loved to take old stereotypes, and subvert them, to the Extreme. This was a character of the time, and probably should stay there to be enjoyed in nostalgia. Buster, Babs and Plucky... However were already more complex characters who could handle a new show 30 years later.

[@Y2Jerms]

Because of how krazy things are today, it could also be a case of she can't voice Elmira due to representation. They need to get a red haired little girl instead of the adult black woman....

[@jakstorm3180]

Elmyra is the offspring of elmer and the abonable snow man

[@Kirbychu1]

Elmer is literally still trying to kill Bugs in recent Looney Tunes shorts, I don't get this.

[@planetjason001]

but he never caught them like elmyra did, she literally abuses the tiny toons

[@angelfairy6676]

@@planetjason001 i honestly feel like she is a super exaggerated problem : little kids having pets without adult help / no knowledge of proper pet care

[@TECH097]

Honestly I'm seeing a LOT of surprisingly positive examples of Elmyra in clips recently. At her best Elmyra is a Lenny Archetype, just wanting to be loved and to give love. As is, there were a few scenes that really show off how much she can be if allowed to be more sympathetic and not so much a source of dark humor at the expense of domesticated pets.

[@flewis02]

Elmyra was my favorite love/hate character, because her animal torture was completely unintentional by her mindset but damn, it was funny watching them try to escape

[@scottmcclary594]

Oh no no elmyra as a character was was torn apart for animal abuse back in the 90s during the shows original run and if I'm not mistaken why she was changed during pinky and the brain!

[@patrickploucha2118]

She is perfect to represent Karens every where

[@electrobob992]

I just wish they didn't make Babs and Buster related.. Now if it was to get a cheaper dorm price for being "siblings" that WOULD fit the characters. Like pulling a prank, a JOKE.