The Real Reason Why South Korea Is Dying Out

[@JRPGGUY]

0.7 birthrate. That means each generation will be less than half the prior.

[@MrMakabar]

About a third of the prior generation with a replacement rate of 2.1.

[@leesy218]

It is now 0.6

[@idontknowwhattowritelol]

that 0.72 birthrate is going to drop to 0.68 this year...

[@henrytep8884]

Once you’re below 1.0 everyone needs to be all hands on deck or your just praying for an ai/robot future

[@nneichan9353]

yep, and there is a crisis in health care for kids, so having a kid is not the end of the problems if you can't find a doctor to keep your child healthy.

[@derekfutrell4908]

I live in Pyeongtaek, and it’s MUCH more likely to see a small dog in a baby stroller than it is a human baby 😢

[@AskTorin]

That's just sad. Kinda hurts. Good luck with becoming outvoted by elderly forever!

[@neznamtija8081]

U r still a huge country … I live in a country w 6 million people lol also u highly developed so it’s kinda easy to import immigrants!

[@MichaelWashingtonAE]

It's the same here in Florida

[@luizgarcialuizgarcia3386]

Is the same in São Paulo in Brazil

[@explosivetwist]

same thing in california bro.

[@explorernas3752]

This proves that everything that looks shiny is not gold.

[@PrateekkumarsahooEL-32]

Yes you are right ✅️

[@dannysolid]

"All that glitters is not gold."

[@Kingcobra6699]

Looks only shiny at night, I guess... Big cities are ugly wherever you are.

[@elixier33]

Sick of these channels trying to shuv vpns or therapy down my throat., most people don't pay for KZbin so they have to put up with KZbin advert sponsors that are like many videos in themselves. Sorry Thumbs Down.

[@jyotinanoma6227]

South korea is vassal state if usa , see every usa vasal has comman 1 st Christianity and athism 2 nd law birth rate and high divorce rate 3 only 1 global or important city in entire country (france has paris , uk has londen, itly has milan , USA has newyork, japan has tokiyo and etc ) 4 rth no family business or unit 5 th vassal state (us puppet)

[@biber9979]

Korean obsession with Seoul is so weird. You cant tell me that cities like Busan, Incheon, Daegu doesn't have it all. Incheon is so close to Seoul and it has it absolutely all... foreigners, bars, restaurants, every possible shopping option, good universities, good private schools, best airport in the country, good nightlife...and if you miss something you can hop on the subway, bus, car and you will be in Seoul in hour or less. Apartments are so much cheaper in Incheon...same apartment that would cost you 1 million euros in Seoul is around 350-400k euros in Incheon. In Suwon is even cheaper and in Busan prices are like in Incheon.

[@rRekko]

This is a global obsession with big cities sadly. Everyone wants the commodity of those big cities, foreigners always want to move to the biggest cities too, so everything is funnelled to those. Small countries have a single big city, where everyone wants to live at and then complain they can't afford a proper living with a single job, much less housing. It's a sad sight, everyone wants to live in mega cities and will refuse to move to smaller cities and help them grow, instant gratification syndrome. We want instant payouts and we've forgotten to plan for the future, we just consume consume and consume some more. Japan is dying due to the same affliction, everyone wants to move to Tokyo and leave their rural towns, not having kids because they can't afford it and never moving back to their native towns which are dying because everyone is leaving. Same for China and UK amongst other countries. Hell in the US all the people complaining about housing prices are the ones living in the big cities, despite them being able to work remotely in a cheaper state.

[@mudra5114]

In the West, many big cities are full of crime and homelessness. Not so in North East Asia or Singapore.

[@biber9979]

@@mudra5114 i know that. I am from Serbia and crime here is a joke comparing to western countries or america. There is no crime at all. I am just saying that there are zero reasons to be in seoul when just one hour away you have amazing Incheon where apartments cost 3 times less. And it is stupid to say that universities and hospitals are not good in Incheon or any other bigger city in Korea.

[@mudra5114]

@@biber9979 OK cool 👍

[@mudra5114]

@@biber9979 OK cool . BTW I do not think Serbian cities like Belgrade have it as bad as Western European cities or American shitties.

[@threesixnine369six]

Britain should really move its capital too. London is strangling other cities, from as close south as Birmingham to as far north as Glasgow. Somewhere in the middle of the island and more down to earth would be great, like Liverpool, Manchester or Leeds.

[@CBRN-115]

Even UK has that problem? Interesting

[@edgarhack2042]

Southerner here and I hate London tbh. It's got too much in it and the pace of things is too fast. However, making Manchester or Liverpool the capital would be a stretch. The North deserves better

[@edgarhack2042]

@user-rl7mt4gh3o maybe not

[@Zeptus1488]

@user-rl7mt4gh3oLOL, Europeans and East Asians are NOT equal to Africans who can't even create a functioning country.

[@user-hs4ei27]

Should move capital to Glasgow so we all speak glaswegian 😂

[@ehec-s6j]

I live in Korean suburb and things are working out in the way that more and more people are moving out of Seoul to enjoy relaxing and laid back lifestyle compared to Seoul after experiencing too much competition in Seoul. I think it is of relief that the problem is being solved naturally

[@MangaGamified]

If everyone in Seoul is earning very low profits/low wages, no one is. So why bother? 🤷‍♂

[@zellalaing5439]

I imagine moving out too will give a more family feel and birthrates outside of Seoul may increase?

[@Paloma-wl1ul]

​@MangaGamify many people are working in Seoul and living in 경기도 or 인천. Myself included. I Lived for 5 years in Seoul, got tired and moved to 경기도. Is just 1 hour from Seoul station but morr calm and rent is much cheaper. The house us bigger than in Seoul and new interior.

[@MangaGamified]

@@Paloma-wl1ul Yeah that's much better, I live in PH and the roads got a bit better, and lot better lately by removing many of the buses, now it's only peertop-peer and some government funded buses with their own lane. Before it feels like you will be killed if you bike in the city. Just look up "manila traffic" and see what I mean.

[@김성민-l9m]

그래봤자 경기도잖아요. 수도권인건 똑같음.

[@alehaim]

One of the problems with the new xapital in its design phase that absolutely didn't help was the lack of any real public transport, which would've been easier to build there than in Seoul, yet they instead only added buses like afterwards

[@biohita]

It was on purpose, to make the city only for the well positioned.

[@sarahstwart1653]

@@biohitabut things never work that why , their are all kind of people im every city for it to work properly,, so for low income families they have to provide facilities like public transport

[@PrateekkumarsahooEL-32]

​@@biohita they are dump s korea sucks 😂

[@grigorkyokuto7546]

Public transit is not how I want to raise my kids

[@alehaim]

Which is better@@grigorkyokuto7546? Being forced to drive your kids everywhere and thus costing a lot in gas and time, or alternatively having public transit which your kids can take on their own once they're old enough and thus saving in the end a lot of money on gas and time while your kids still get where they need to be going. Public transport is about providing a choice for transport which is infinitely more efficient at moving people around at the expense of people having to take into account that a bus/train goes by every 15 minutes ideally which isn't bad. If I didn't have a bus and my parents had to drive me everywhere until I got a car, and I absolutely hate everything about having to drive for so many reasons including the drivers license I was forced to do by my dad costing a lot of the money that had been saved to my savings account, I would have been much more miserable overall as I would have been basically confined to my home besides school for most of the time, which is in fact what happened before high school when I got the bus card and had to learn how to take the bus. Also with just 177€ to spare with my current student income from social security after rent, I would not be able to live without debt if I was forced own a car because public transport didn't exist. Oh and also if more people use public transport, that means less traffic because each of those people using transit is one less car on the road because generally cars only hold one person per each car. It's not about forcing everyone to use public transit, it's making sure everyone has the freedom to choose how they want to get around, and I am an ardent believer in people having the freedom to choose how they live including how they get around which public transport provides, and it also provides kids the freedom to get around on their own instead of car only cities restricting the freedom of kids until they can get a drivers license

[@DissidentNomad]

Over 10 years in South Korea. This is a good video but it's the culture as a whole, as well as industrialised life more generally, that is strangling the country, not just Seoul.

[@mezmerya5130]

I mean, that's the issue with corporations. They push investor appeasment untill they can't. Great value comes of it, and great downfalls too. When you have an incorporated country, well, that's it.

[@st.altair4936]

"Culture" is merely the result of a country's mode of production and governance. In SK that's capitalism and corporatocracy respectively. This is the result of the working class not being in power or organized, and being suffocated and stressed by the brutal working conditions. Hence the low birthrates and high suicide rates.

[@daaz4459]

​@@st.altair4936 culture is influenced by the factores you mentioned very heavily, but its not a result as in governance produces culture. Materialism incomplete if you disregard human life as Just a byproduct of governance and economics, you have to make the analysis bigger in scope of factors and giving the bigger influence where is due

[@GermanTaffer]

​@st.altair4936 Stop learning from 200 year old books.

[@st.altair4936]

@@GermanTaffer I don't remember 200 year old books mentioning SK is a corporatocracy. Projecting much? Stop supporting a 500 year old outdated mode of production like capitalism.

[@Justin-jh4ym]

Same thing is happening with the UK, London is supporting the rest of the country.

[@apangel100]

Glad you mentioned this I was gonna comment the same - as I Londoner I can resonate. This problem certainly isn’t isolated to SK and could name a dozen other countries with the same problem. It’s mega cities demographics

[@Sonic_emperor]

It’s starting to change though. Manchester and Leeds are fast growing cities and at changing rapidly too

[@propertymanager9149]

Uk is also the second most depressed country in the world lol. but BBC is too busy talking shit about other countries

[@hamshank29]

I live in London but from elsewhere originally. All the other cities just feel like inferior versions of London. I think you'd struggle to convince people here to relocate to Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester etc. It's a shame though, other European countries e.g. Germany have a range of cities each with a different feel. It wouldn't be default to move to Berlin. Cologne, Munich, Dusseldorf etc. would be worthwhile choices.

[@Justin-jh4ym]

​@@hamshank29People will move but not by choice, London is heading towards sky high property prices like Hong Kong. The commuter towns in the South east can only absorb so much.

[@RealTaIk]

The only solution I could think of is when korea decided to push more for remote working, online education and all those kinda things that don't require you to necessarily be on seoul. Maybe even create an insentive for companies to pay more money to their workers who don't work in seoul and openly talk about it.

[@ddolki1990]

...while that is one issue that has been talked about...it's not really working. It is still an export driven economy with heavy emphasis on highly technical manufacturing. My friends who can enjoy that luxury usually tend to be IT fields or investment banking. And while those options are nice. It's mostly younger unmarried leople taking those options..Even those with those options will want to start a family in Seoul so that their children can get better education.

[@biber9979]

@@ddolki1990 why do they think that you can get good education just in Seoul. Man i am coming from a small poor country and i studied in even smaller city(just 100k people)... university wasn't big, famous, fancy but we got good practical knowledge on top of theory. Now with a degree from that super small university from a poor small country i can still get(and i am getting them on linkedin) offers from all around europe. So that thing that you have to study on the best university to succeed is big bull shit.

[@pepik121]

@@biber9979 in SK if you dont have good school in your CV, there is a higher chance that they wont even invite you for an interview... even if you dont finish that top school, the fact that you were able to get in counts and you get more opportunities

[@fjorddenierbear4832]

Birth control kills modern society. And the power has shifted too much in favor of women. They can murder your baby at a whim, whereas you have only one choice if they keep it: to man up. Ultimate female hypergamous control.

[@ThePallidor]

The solution is to stop whatever interventionist policies led to the Seoul phenomenon in the first place.

[@kharlanhero4428]

Same thing happens in Mexico with Mexico City. Everything has to go through here and then to the rest of the country. At least we have two other major cities that balance it out and they are growing because México City is getting to expensive and too crowded

[@thanakonpraepanich4284]

I guess Veracruz is one of those cities, what is the other one? And what is the location of the next Mexican capitol the day Lake Texcoco win the fight against The City?

[@patrickw123]

@@thanakonpraepanich4284 1. Guadalajara 2. Monterrey

[@lapamplemoussegrande]

Monterrey, I'd imagine@@thanakonpraepanich4284

[@kharlanhero4428]

@@thanakonpraepanich4284 i ment Guadalajara and Monterrey. Veracruz is forgotten by their government. Lake Texcoco is not coming back but the capital has to move elsewhere

[@Kastoraki]

The same in Greece, Athens and the nearby satellite places are hosting half of the country's population with devastating effects on the country. Overcrowded and expensive to live but there you will find better paid job, young women and entertaining opportunities, school nearby, doctors and hospitals, shops etc. The more people gather the more emptied becomes the countryside....

[@linuxman7777]

It is good to have multiple major cities as it makes the country more resilient, if one city fails or is nuked, the whole country won't fail completely. The US, China, India don't have an overwhelming dominant primate city and it has allowed for more regional specialization

[@linuxman7777]

@@Madzguy007 it is more like the top 6 metros are 1/4th the economy the next 20 make up the next 1/4 and then the next 100 make up 1/4 and finally the rural areas and very small cities also make 1/4th of the economy

[@thomasgrabkowski8283]

It's because US, China and India are so big

[@bolinho1598]

Same thing in Brazil

[@musafawundu6718]

​@@Madzguy007, complete and utter BS...

[@jinniwind]

@@Madzguy007more than 3,4 cities im sure

[@alma7621]

I totally understand how insecure young couple feel about their future today. I constantly worry about my daughter. She is doing ok but I can see her daily stress. Poor girl is only 23. She already told me she doesn't plan to have kid cuz the future world is not stable. Why bring one more human to this uncertain world.

[@potbellyfatguyfromnewyorkcity]

if your daughter is model quality she will be fine with a wealthy man but if she is ugly she's gonna be an aged out woman at some point as 23 and single is OLD in asian cultures. a left over she will be...

[@Foreveryoung10-h9u]

I have the same mindset.. i wont bring kids to this world.

[@heekyungkim8147]

@@potbellyfatguyfromnewyorkcity what the hell are you saying…. That’s so ridiculous.

[@nonu417]

@@heekyungkim8147 he isn't wrong tho

[@RG-iw4c]

You are wrong thinking different in different countries. Marry and birth child in South asian countries Where thinking different Child is must

[@ilililiililiil3006]

My sister works as a programmer in Seoul, and she pays 1000 dollars per month for rent to live in a shipping container in the rooftop. It’s not even in the center of Seoul but a shabby corner of the city

[@Bdavis2475]

Programmers should work from home.. She needs a quiet cabin in a small town

[@HappyGick]

​@@Bdavis2475 As a programmer, I support this. You still need to live in a rather large city due to tech needs, but come on, I don't need to live in the capital to have the job unless not working remotely. I can squeeze every cent out of my salary just by living in a secondary city. I know that from experience.

[@nailmickm8331]

How low is her pay?

[@하핳-n3b]

no not agree it is lie rent is cheaper

[@GrinGrims]

That is probably not true. I rent two bedrooms flat very close to Han River in Seoul and pay 700 monthly.

[@michaelrespicio5683]

This is what happens when you "sell your Seoul"... Jokes aside, this is exactly why I'm baffled whenever somebody plans to move to Korea. Many people there are depressed, and this is why. They did this to themselves, and it's a shame to see foreigners borderline throw their lives away just because they're a little too obsessed with Kdramas and Kpop...

[@henrytep8884]

But it’s marginal and insignificant how many people actually move to South Korea as expats, and it’s still a life experience that people choose to participate in whether it’s for a salient or vapid reason.

[@chappy3125]

The K Wave is the new Zeitgeist

[@dylantech]

Meh, I moved to Korea in 2019 not caring at all about their pop culture, but I knew based on my research that Busan was my preference. It was the right choice. Busan is Korea's best city, but if you prefer to breathe the pollution in Seoul, then be my guest. Korea is a great place. If you move there thinking you're going to live a K-Drama fantasy, you'll probably be disappointed, but if you just want to have a rewarding experience, it's perfect.

[@AlexS-oj8qf]

This is what I realize as an Asian. In "happier" countries, you'll see TV Shows depicting unnecessary dramas, in "sadder" countries, you'll find TV Shows depicting happiness and 'what life could be'.

[@PrateekkumarsahooEL-32]

S Koreans are dump also those people who wants to live there 😂

[@wanr5701]

Their focus and over reliance on Seoul is shocking. In Japan, they have Nagoya, Osaka, Fukuoka and numerous other smaller cities as their engines for economic growth alongside Tokyo. In Germany they have Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Koln, Hamburg, Augsburg, Bremen as the engines for economic growth alongside Munich and Berlin. In India they have Chennai, Mumbai, Hyderabad, Kolkata as economic engines for India alongside New Delhi. Why Korean government and planners did not spread out the economic development evenly throughout the country for years, instead just focusing on Seoul alone?

[@hazelnut3794]

at least Busan metropolitan area, Incheon >> Fukuoka, Koln, Augsburg, Bremen, Chennai, Hyderabad etc.

[@kfx3907]

There are some of it. Busan, Ulsan, Incheon.

[@funnymakerboy4199]

there is no comparison Seoul and Busan between anyone ​@@hazelnut3794

[@neptune1525]

And Russia??

[@nehalilisays]

Democratic governments can't plan where private companies have their factories, offices, etc. They can only try to make certain places more attractive with good infrastructure or lower taxes. I think in South Korea the mentality of simply accepting one collectivistic goal (studying, working & living in Seoul) is the biggest factor. Meanwhile here in Germany the regional differences are quite strong and there is some pride attached to it. At the same time middle-sized companies are considered to be the backbone of the economy and going to college is not that important. The fertility rate has been below 2.1 since 1970 though. That always happens if you only go half the way with gender equality (lack of childcare, lack of financial support for parents independent of their relationship status, lack of men who do their fair share of the household work & childcare without calling it "helping" or "babysitting", lol - it's getting better though.) I've heard that's an even bigger issue in South Korea + extremely high & strict beauty standards are not helping either.

[@Ivan-pr7ku]

Large metropolises are sterilization zones for any population. People procreate more and build stronger families in smaller and dispersed communities that are more manageable and tightly knitted, where everyone knows and trusts each other and the wealth is more fairly distributed.

[@AlejandroPikoulasPlata]

Well said.

[@X1thepooh]

People just want to live where the money is,I won't say more.

[@nanasshi0711]

this makes me realize that one of the reason the US is great economically is its nearly fair distribution of development. yes california and NY are shining the brightest but most other states are great too

[@abdiellawrence397]

Exactly. If it doesn't work out for you in Chicago, try Atlanta. That's what makes the U.S. unique.

[@esamullajee3273]

Well I think the USA has the benefit of skilled migration and integration to help it's population issues. Also, the US is enormous. South Korea could fit inside of Texas a few times

[@francisemanuelrosa7388]

​@@esamullajee3273 SK even fits in Honduras 😂

[@sandrajones8245]

Ok I'll refrain from saying anything biased or derogatory, I will say this though, I despise the U.S government for selling a dream to the world, and since the internet when everything came to light, most Americans are finding it hard to believe they're not actually No.1, the best or even a good country in comparison to other countries. Now some neither leaning information, the usa isn't great economically (not by a long shot), but the graces fell on them simply because it had too. Since WW2, when all the big empires were decimated, Britain, France, Germany, Japan and The USSR, the only country left standing was the USA, literally. All of Africa, S America, Oceania and vast parts of Asia were occupied by a handful of European countries, even Canada, which makes the majority of N America was British. Fast forward 10 years (1955) the empires that were just fighting couldn't support its colonies, hence the reason for independence. And the only country that got its independence way before even the ww1, was the usa. Now, I wouldnt compare the usa to S Korea at all, these two are as different as night and day. If I were you, not you specifically but everyone,I would take this information (the video) as a warning, the usa, amongst every other developed nation and most developing nations, is suffering. The reason why S Korea is facing hardships is due to contraceptions, not because they focused all their money on one city. Humans need offspring, they must reproduce otherwise they go extinct. Everything mentioned in the video is just the after effect of having no children.

[@senseiadam-brawlstars9465]

@@sandrajones8245 "The reason why S Korea is facing hardships is due to contraceptions, not because they focused all their money on one city." Bruh, imagine people in SK wanting children when they literally live in a 1x1 tiny apartment shaq.

[@gunnergunnarsson3534]

Same can be said about my country Singapore, we are now facing a fertility rate of less than 1. Due to cultural, economical issues, many people are not willing to have kids. And understandably so. The future isn’t looking bright when the middle class are getting sandwiched with each passing year

[@권현운]

Yes, Korea, which has a much larger population than Singapore, has a birth rate of 0.7. 🤣

[@D__Ujjwal]

Singapore actually care about families a lot, plus it always has people wanting to immigrate from west, China and SEA. I don't think this situation will ever happen to singapore

[@varadaphadkay4269]

The video didn't talk about so many young people in South Korea killing themselves due to the high pressures and orthodoxy of the society!

[@zepp2498]

I know about this....I lived 20 years in Seoul ( as a french teacher) and have seen some very sad situations of kids having to study sooooo much, we cannot even imagine . So, Yes young people suicide is terrible....but I think this was not the goal or purpose of this video:it's just my opinion. But there are some vidéos who can explain about this...the reasons behing this.

[@varadaphadkay4269]

@zepp2498 thanks for clarifying! :)

[@min-k2689]

I have a 6yrs old nephew who live in Seoul and he told me in his kindergarten, Korean kids value their friends which apartment they live, what car their parents drive and what their parents do for a living. If some kids fall below average, they categorize those kids as "peasants/slave" status.

[@Ella-g2m]

I read that in korean dating culture, the man has to put his car keys on the table on the first date so that the woman knows what brand of car he owns. They have rental services so you can pretend to own a BMW to impress a date. It's dystopian. Also, despite being very poor and in debt, they all wear designer clothes so they don't look poor. they've very materialistic.

[@newbie1958]

Omg I see parallels with Guadalajara and Mexico City, pretty much the same thing, kids value friends with a high paying job, what car they drive, clothes they wear, etc. even on dates you basically have to dress your best.

[@blue-d4g]

Korea is a HUGE place with a LOT of people. People forget that because it's small in country standards, but 50 mil isn't a small number and the whole country isn't homogenous. There are places like that, and there are places that are more 'normal'. I personally have never seen anyone act like that in my life, and most of the people I know haven't either. We know they exist, but we're just as surprised as you are and don't go thinking that's a universal phenomenon in our country.

[@blue-d4g]

​@@Ella-g2m That is complete bullshit. Sure, there probably are people out there who actually do that shit. But we're people too and we feel the same way. People joke about those behaviours a lot, saying things along the lines of "I do this and all the girls like me". But actually putting those words into action? I'll bet most women won't date a man who deliberately shows off his car keys on the first date. Koreans value morals A LOT, probably the most traditional part of our culture. And showoffs aren't exactly seen to be moral, are they?

[@Ella-g2m]

@@blue-d4g I heard it from a Korean-American. Go call him a liar and not me.

[@Parakeet-pk6dl]

Isn’t it normal that when things get more competitive and less pleasant, people are less able to care for someone else? Plus: why would you create children when it’s simply no fun anymore to live anyhow…

[@teekay3983]

Fun? More like an overly toxic ambitious culture of constantly comparing yourself or your family or your city in this case.

[@wickedtorpedo75]

not a vacation even a staycation would be enough

[@speed65752]

My family isndeom Senegal and we have a similar problem: Everything is in Dakar and everyone is trying to move to Dakar. As a consequence, the city is overpopulated already and extremely expensive relatively to everyone's salary.

[@newbie1958]

Mexican here it’s Mexico City pretty much everyone wants to go to Mexico City.

[@DarcyCardinal]

I stayed in Incheon/Seoul area for about six months back in 2022. I saw lots of baby carriages filled with... dogs and kids play zones taken over by... elderly people. It really is a rapidly aging country.

[@jm7578]

It seems like Seoul has the 1980s New York City syndrome

[@afroabroad]

It’s like that on steroids times 20.

[@nevion5533]

Most korean youngster always dreams to go to america and be like americans, while in reality those who live there like 10 years or so, can't even speak english properly or integrate out of the korean community

[@turkishighlights]

What happened in 1980s new york

[@qualityguacamole9142]

Way too concentrated. NYC was the capital of America at that time. Which was why they made Washington D.C it’s new capital.

[@Just2Curious]

​@@qualityguacamole9142you mean financial capital, not the capital. DC has been the capital for many many decades now, NYC was never a capital. NYC is still considered the financial capital. But there are major metropolis in many states and each one has their own metropolis or more than 1 in some cases, like Texas and California have several.

[@NyanyiC]

Isn't another reason it's close proximity to the DMZ

[@doujinflip]

No, that's been a threat ever since the Korean War ended. Nobody thinks about the North when moving to Seoul, and it shows how much the place just kept getting packed in.

[@WilliamSantos-cv8rr]

yep it is

[@michaelpelzek8882]

Why they never thought of changing the location of Seoul making it the financial capital is beyond me.

[@i-love-mintchoco]

​@michaelpelzek8882 they had the plan of moving the capital to Daejeon but presiden Park who was pushing forward this project was assacinated and the whole project was canceled.

[@EshDerp1425_Monke]

@@i-love-mintchocoto add on, didn’t they try to make sejeon city but fail, or was that not meant to be a capital

[@williamblanton2790]

I live in SK. I visited the city wall museum in Dondaemun and learned that Soeul has ALWAYS been the center of the country. Royals and government the only iones permitted to live there- they even had to get permission to even do repair work. It reminded me of Pyongyang in North Korea.

[@WorkersUnited111]

Pyongyang too when it was one country.

[@rai2423]

That isn’t really true. Before the divide there were TWO major cities. Hanseong/Hanyang(Seoul) and Pyongyang. While Seoul has historically been more cosmopolitan due to it’s location there were times during the Joseon period where Pyongyang was rich and full of commerce and culture. I think people are discussing this without taking into account that South Korea is only one half of what was once a single country.

[@calvincoolidge1207]

You forgot about Gyeongju and the Silla Kingdom. That was the largest city for many years. It is my favorite city in SK so far.

[@blue-d4g]

It wasn't. Korea has a long history, and the 'center' has shifted many times. Plus, royals and government officials were the only ones permitted to live there... seriously? What do you think a capital city is? We're talking about a kingdom. Not the stupid dynasty Rocketman and his family set up, a real, absolute monarchy. Of course there were a lot of royals and government officials. And no, they weren't the only ones living there.

[@smoothwavezzz9687]

anyone find it ironic how it’s named seoul but it’s literally draining and ruining the rest of the country

[@ishathakor]

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[@Bringmeoneofthosechickens]

Tell me about Betterhelp privacy issues?

[@kaocakeman2964]

Seoul's TFR is already at 0.51. And the highest regional TFR is just 0.88, that's of all regions in the country, urban and rural.

[@MK-hw2ir]

Feminism in a nutshell

[@AlejandroPikoulasPlata]

@@MK-hw2ir feminism is positive, women need to choose what they want to do in their life.

[@JeanePrado-i5u]

​@@AlejandroPikoulasPlata, the problem is, in most developed countries, including South Korea, women want to have 1.8 to 2.3 kids. A couple of kids is the most common ideal. Their dream is not having only 1 kid or being childless. But they are being priced out of it in many ways, both by high housing and schooling costs, but also by opportunity costs.

[@JeanePrado-i5u]

For a women, the wage penalty for being a mother is big, and it just grows with every kid.

[@Madzguy007]

Every country that experience high development, industrialization and urbanization face the same issue.. Low birth rate

[@fjorddenierbear4832]

Exactly. - Birth control - Expensive housing - Unprecedented entertainment including hyper-available porn - Children used to be a financial asset, but are now a liability

[@asdasdasddgdgdfgdg]

Seoul is within North Korean range. Thats probably the real reason why they are moving the capita.

[@Gerryjournal]

Oh, you think that is the problem. Most of Asian is now in North Korea's range

[@asdasdasddgdgdfgdg]

@@Gerryjournal i wasn't alluding to nukes. Seoul is about 35 miles or about 50 km from the North Korean border. That is within artillery and/or rocket artillery range.

[@selohcin]

@@asdasdasddgdgdfgdg I can assure you that had nothing to do with it. I talked with many, many Koreans while they were in the planning phases. It really is about the economic factors mentioned in this video.

[@aceblaze8844]

Ok kid

[@Rjcuatrocinco]

Do you mean North Korea is within Seoul range? Changes the meaning slightly.

[@ericclark133]

Seoul isn’t the only capital where it has drained the life of the country. The classic example is Paris - it has pretty much dominated France for the last half millennium that no other capital has dominated another country. The French are finally pushing back - that’s probably a main root cause of the Gilets jaunes, and it’s interesting to see that this is the first mass movement in France that actually arose outside of Paris.

[@rulur]

Moscow could compete for with title

[@nk53nxg]

London in the UK is worse than Paris for dominating its parent country, so much so that London is like a different country and culture within the UK. London is the UKs 1sr, 2nd, 3rd 4th and possibly 5th city compared to other countries. Deindustrialisation of the UK was the start of the rot.

[@fate8718]

​@@rulur St. Petersberg was the capital of Russia for a hot minute kinda lowering Moscow's peg a bit compared to Paris

[@newbie1958]

London is on the list, he’ll I’m from Mexico and Mexico City dominates Mexico even though we have Guadalajara and Monterrey but no it’s all Mexico City.

[@fate8718]

@newbie1958 look ik its hust a vacation place but yall have the mythical Cancun

[@JK_was_here]

I did road trip in Korea, I saw many abandoned village in rural area. It’s a bit sad. But I understand that many new gens want to work in big corporates hence coming to Seoul. Life is struggling here, things are even more expensive after Covid including rent.

[@joshuaong8205]

It sucks that Dom accepted the BetterHelp sponsorship.

[@basillah7650]

All youtubers that have ads are scamming people watching the videos.

[@JonahNelson7]

We’re seeing in real time people’s tendency to ignore moral issues when it benefits them because “well everyone else is doing it”. Sucks. All we can do is try to stop watching the vid when they say it’s sponsored by bh

[@drjp4212]

@@JonahNelson7 do you care to explain what’s the matter?

[@rajpanda5065]

Everyone needs to pay their bills . Don't take it seriously. He doesn't take it either.

[@BirdRaiserE]

Seoul is the closest thing we have to Cyberpunk IRL (along with Tokyo). We should pay close attention to its lessons and problems.

[@jameskamotho7513]

Exactly 💯

[@selohcin]

Seoul is a mile away from Cyberpunk. Seoul is not dirty, it's remarkably clean for a city its size. It's not dangerous; it's very safe.

[@idontknowwhattowritelol]

seoul and tokyo are not the only ones, theres also chongqing and shenzhen

[@idontknowwhattowritelol]

@user-rl7mt4gh3o ?

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

@@selohcin It’s cyber without the punk

[@devanman7920]

If the system makes its next to impossible for young people to to the basic function of having a relationship and starting a family, the system deserves to fail.

[@c.w.k.n.5117]

North Korea playing that long game lol.

[@2Phast4Rocket]

They wait until the S Korean get too old and invade. LoL

[@Useryr-m8q]

North Korean channel

[@Destroyer4700]

Having been to Seoul. It's a very samey feeling city. There's a soul crushing feeling looking from the top of Namsan and seeing endless blocks of similar looking apartment complexes as far as the eye can see. Architectural variety is important I suppose.

[@abdiellawrence397]

Agreed....but what do you expect from a population that is 98% homogeneous. That's part of the reason why I left in 2019.

[@Destroyer4700]

​@@abdiellawrence397 It is probably because residential development is focused on large apartment complexes. Buildings in Tokyo have similar architectural styles, but it's not as jarring because most buildings are unique (As in they are not the same height, shape and size).

[@MarvinPowell1]

@Destroyer4700 I used to live in Songpa, the neighborhood which has the towering Lotte Tower you see in Seoul's skylines. In fact, I only lived about three blocks from Lotte Tower. Seoul isn't that great as a city, but you go there for the opportunities and the people. That's the only reason to be in Seoul. I've also lived in Anyang, Uijeongbu, Guri, Suwon, and Osan/Dongtan (all are smaller cities in the same general Greater Seoul Area.) I recommend them much better than Seoul if you want to stay a while, but if you're just there for a year or less to meet some good people,, work a temporary job, then bounce, then you shouldn't live anywhere else but Seoul, cause it really is where all the opportunities are, sadly.

[@justlim622]

@@abdiellawrence397 good you left

[@justlim622]

@@MarvinPowell1 My mother-in-law lives next to Lotte Adventure. I think Seoul is a great city and love visiting every year.

[@q___m2158]

With such a bithrate, will the competition for school kids be less in 5-10 years time? If there are less young people competing for places in top schools or universities, it shoud get better for the kids?

[@kleec495]

Guess if one person need to do 3 people jobs, it will be converted to long working hours and late retirement age.

[@zachdebuhr6347]

​@kleec495 that's if there's some kind of mandate that you have to cover multiple positions which doesn't make sense. Usually when there's less workers you are able to bargain your way into better conditions

[@BaneQuaker]

Jobs die out too because there are less people to sell the products

[@nehalilisays]

70% of young people in South Korea have a college degree. The competition is mainly happening at the top because being average is not considered good enough to live a good life (in Seoul, nice home, good looks, high status, luxury items, etc.)

[@blue-d4g]

Korea is a nation that changed drastically over the past years, don't think of the United States or Europe. Each generation grew up in completely different countries. Some as subjects of a colonial Empire, some in a literal civil war, some in a dirt-poor agricultural nation, some in a dictator-ruled developing nation, some in a moderately developed nation and some in a technologically and culturally advanced democracy comparable to those of Europe and North America. The culture of these generations differ drastically, and I imagine the environment will also differ drastically by the time kids who grew up in the competitive environment become parents.

[@dia.ko08]

This happened in Germany when it got separated in 1945 and then again when it got reunited in 1990. Berlin to Bonn to Berlin. 😊

[@nlpnt]

Germany is at least well-balanced; Berlin is the political capital but Frankfurt/Main has the financial sector, film is mostly in Munich while TV is scattered through the regional centers due to the decentralization the Allies imposed on ARD, manufacturing is just about everywhere.

[@PradedaCech]

Yeah, Bonn became this humongous monster that swallowed the whole rest of Germany...oh wait..

[@dia.ko08]

@@nlpnt Very true. I live in a midsized town and the living standard, the opportunities etc. are just as high as in the bigger cities. Most rural areas aren't that well developed though. However my comment was more about the possibility of moving the capital to another city and how benefiting this can be for a country. It definitely helped unify east and west Germany.

[@dia.ko08]

@@PradedaCech What do you mean?

[@PradedaCech]

@@dia.ko08 the video is about Seoul dominating South Korea. But Bonn never dominated West Germany in any way..

[@DrozGodhammer]

how about moving all industries to rural areas, and banning counstruction of new ones in seoul? an industrial park can liven up the economy of the place and people would move there. then build low cost housing for the employees, and the rest will follow. there will be new schools and universities, and the industry there must prioritize graduates from the new local schools and universities. this is important since you are making it easier for people to help in the local economy first before even thinking of leaving for seoul.

[@enceladus9502]

Haha. Such a naive dream

[@jontan-dt3qv]

Every east asian country has low birth rate, south korea is nothing special from japan to hong Kong to taiwan to Singapore has birth rate near 1 or below. In fact China is already suffering from demographic problems and its not even fully developed yet.

[@n0bödŷFŘ_1]

well, most, mongolia is still above replacement rate :DD

[@D__Ujjwal]

​@@n0bödŷFŘ_1Mongolia is just chad compared to us normie countries, btw from India

[@ThorsMartell]

It should be noted that KR is very mountainous. Mountains drive infrastructure and trasnportation cost and therefore make industrial development very difficult. Maybe KR should try to develop a belt around its costline, kinda the thing Spain is doing involuntarily.

[@thebabbler8867]

BS. It's not an economical problem why Korea is dying.

[@Paloma-wl1ul]

Korea has soooo many tunnels passing under the mountains. This is not a problem here at all.

[@bolek-trolek]

this shows very well why high levels of local autonomy are a must and switzerland is the example to follow, being one of the few remnants of the old regime

[@irispaiva]

Not sure this phenomenon has a name, but im calling it Capital Overcentralization, this isnt happening only in SK, but with Moscow and St Petersburg for Russia, im sure that many commenters can lean in and opinate if this happens in their country as well

[@christopher9727]

.. Do you know Jesus Christ can set you free from sins and save you from hell today Jesus Christ is the only hope in this world no other gods will lead you to heaven There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today Today is the day of salvation come to the loving savior Today repent and do not go to hell Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today Romans 6.23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

[@мимокрокодил-з7ф]

Moscow is less than 10% of Russia's total population.

[@basilhanas8453]

@@мимокрокодил-з7ф Yet a lot of capital and services is in Moscow.

[@wickedtorpedo75]

​@@мимокрокодил-з7фyea but sucks all other regions wealth

[@sungkilcho7210]

First of all, it is wrong to say that it is concentrated in Seoul. It is correct to say that it is concentrated in the metropolitan area. In fact, Seoul's population has decreased. And although it is true that it is concentrated in the metropolitan area, that does not mean that all cities across the country will disappear. It is expanding across metropolitan cities. In other words, it is true that urbanization continues to progress and is concentrated in the metropolitan area. The premise that the Republic of Korea will fall simply because it is concentrated in Seoul is wrong.

[@MarvinPowell1]

Seoul and "the Seoul greater metropolitan area" mean the same thing to most people.

[@patnolen8072]

Gyeonggi-do is the province that contains Seoul and it's suburbs and satellite cities.

[@uncreative5766]

Then tell me where all the white collar jobs are outside of Seoul. I'm talking tech, marketing, finance, HR, and lawyers. The only place you can find those jobs are in Seoul. Another issue with Korea is because the white collar jobs are primarily in Seoul, other cities such as Daejeon, Busan, Gwangju, and Suwon were left behind. When there are so many people looking for jobs and places to live in in Seoul, then demand goes up, which drives up housing costs and other living expenses, such as groceries, laundry, etc.,

[@sungkilcho7210]

@@uncreative5766 Companies of a certain size often have their headquarters or branches located in Seoul in order to further secure high-quality human resources, marketing, and technology. This is possible because the country is not that big and travel time is fast. There are many manufacturing-oriented industries in local areas, especially Gyeonggi-do. The fact that you say there are a lot of jobs in Seoul is only part of the story. There are numerous occupations in manufacturing-centered regions.

[@luiul1]

i was in SK from 1995/1999. the population of seoul went from 14 million to 17 million. the population of SK did not really change that much. everyone was moving from the rural south of SK to seoul. they were building those domino apartment buildings so fast, there was one city that sprang up SE of seoul, that was named NEW CITY. that's was the road signage said. they couldn't come up with a name for the city before it was built. funny thing, Pusan changed it's name to Busan and now it's something different. i remember asking the guy i was with one time how close we were to the border. we were just outside camp campbell. his reply was, "20 minutes by car, 5 seconds by mig."

[@letsgowalk]

I just spent some time in Gwangju, and loved it there! It’s so much less chaotic than Seoul, and the people are much nicer. You get all of the big city amenities without the headaches. The government should just promote some of the existing cities as places for commerce.

[@Rekujya]

As someone who spends time in both the US and SK, most locals I talk too are either ignorant or in denial about the reason they are moving the capital. Sejong itself is also a weird place to be as it’s so barren but almost completely built now. Plenty of normal Korean families living their though in the various apartments and stuff.

[@robertb8673]

Birth rate of Pandas 1,6 and count as endangered species. Birth rate of my country is 1,3. Birth rate of south korea 0,73. Oh boy!!! 😬

[@egyptiangod2023]

The birth rate is also declining because of a movement of South Korea women as the men do not treat them equally, it got to a point where men were stabbing women in the streets so as a protest women decided to not have children which forces them to reconsider how they treat women

[@Timeup666]

It is not about that it's because of the cost of living there stop twisting it and making it seem as if that's the reason why things are the way they are. you're trying so hard to push this 4B shit and that's not the reason and some of you women in America are causing problems so you need to get some help stopping lies off of people culture and what they tend to go through that's extremely disrespectful trying gain some thing off that🙄

[@blue-d4g]

Complete bullshit, if something as mad as that actually happened it wouldn't have gone unnoticed by the world. Judging by the fact that gender wars and children-boycotts have never dominated headlines anywhere, chances of them being real are near zero.

[@MarvinPowell1]

I live in South Korea, near Seoul but not in the city itself. Seoul really does have everything in it and 90% of the English speaking population, 2,250,000 people, all live in Seoul. It's not like comparing New York City (pre-2020s, not the crapsack it's become under Hochul) to the rest of the state, back in the US. It'd be like comparing New York City to Delaware and Wyoming. There are some good big cities that aren't Seoul, like Suwon and Incheon, but they're all in the same state as Seoul, Gyeonggi, and within an hour away, anyway. The _only_ good major city outside of Gyeonggi is Busan, Korea's version of San Diego, and it's all the way on the other side of the country in the southeast. Between that, you just have Gwangju, which is full of old people, Daegu, which is just a giant crater of humidity and has nothing special in it, and Daejeon, which _sucks_ and is so boring. So if Seoul is Korea's New York City, the only other options would be to live in Korean Tampa, Houston, or Cleveland. So you can see why the greater Seoul area is so appealing to many people, even if living in Seoul-proper, has its problems.

[@theTopCat-1]

Korea is western culture concentrated accelerated and MAGNIFIED. The west would do well by paying close attention to this vision of the future.....

[@nevion5533]

Kind of the same in Italy. Most people always think you can find a job in the Northen part, especially Milan, which in reality is one of the most expensive places to live in (to me still a place with a mentality I never was able to grasp in all these years, cuz not everyone there just run to work and earn their salary). People always lament they barely arrive at the end of the month. True the rent is one of the highest in the country, but never mention that doing things like going to restaurants or drinking with friends has its cost there. In other words, i just see lack of coherency all the time.

[@savagebeastking8703]

They should’ve named the new Capital spirit

[@hgalactic5185]

maybe Hart? like heartgold and soulsilver. since seoul has extra E, Hart should lose the E

[@Shay45]

Putting all your eggs in one basket 🧺

[@makinbacon919]

*All your kimchi

[@helloworld6126]

How about London and Paris ? Canada also only has Toronto. Japan is more balanced as they gave Tokyo and Osaka.

[@helloworld6126]

Australia only has half population as South Korea but Australia got similar GDP as South Korea. That means the Korean need to be extremely hard working in order to create the economic miracle. Australia has 2 relatively big cities (Sydney and Melbourne) and 3 medium size cities such as Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide. If you cannot afford living in Sydney you can probably consider Brisbane or Adelaide. However there is no option for people living in Seoul to move in other places. There is no chance that immigration will work in Seoul as no other people in other countries can speak Korean. Korea’s decline is inevitable and will fall rapidly in next 10 years. This is a country that most girls need to conduct plastic surgery in order to get the edge in their work. The culture kills the young people and we feel sad for them.

[@calvincoolidge1207]

People in Seoul can move to other major cities like Busan, Gwangju, Daegu, and Daejeon which are all more relaxed.

[@celtiseric]

Most？you sure？

[@Ali_b1009]

Daejeon is such a good place to live. It’s an hour away from Seoul and has a techno valley and it’s not overwhelming like Seoul. I lived there for 3 years

[@jameskwonlee]

As an ethnic Korean who grew up in Korea, I've seen a tremendous rise in westerners and non-Korean Asians commenting on Korea's "social and demographic problems," for youtube clout. Thanks, I guess? But some notes: Europeans went through near-zero to negative population growth years well before the Japanese and Koreans did, and as a result, have far fewer people living in their countries. While Seoul is the largest city in Korea, other cities like Ansan, Incheon, Busan have been growing tremendously. Another note. From the world population review: "fertility rate is not a precise count of how many children each actual living woman in a specific country has at any particular point in time." It is, instead an estimation of how many children women will likely have throughout their lifetime. A lot of western media and social media channels have a fascination with declining Asian fertility, despite Asian populations trumping all of Europe's many times over. Fertility rate is an estimation that can be rigged by media outlets that have biased perceptions of the world. If I can say it like everyone's 5: Fertility Rate does not equal Growth Rate. The metric that actually indicates population growth or decline is obtained via comparing a given states' population year-over-year via the census. And if you look at that metric, then European nations are declining the most, including Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, and Ukraine (Italy, Portugal, Greece break the top 20). Korea doesn't even break into the top 30 for declining population.

[@Centrioless]

It's not just abt fertility rate, it's also abt how the population aged in exceedingly fast rate. While the west has low fertility rate, the avg age of the population remains the same since WW2. Korea and japan, on the other hand, are aging faster than any other countries in the world. If the avg population is too old, they cant procreate

[@jameskwonlee]

@@Centrioless There is much more nuance to this: 1) Korea and Japan are homogenous societies. If you isolate non-immigrant populations in Europe, then they have been aging exceedingly fast as well. 2) East Asians from Korea and Japan live longer than Europeans by a significant margin so the "aging" stat must be seen in light of this, i.e. you're comparing apples to oranges. 3) immigration has a large influence on western "fertility" and "aging" rates, whereas it largely does not in Korea or Japan.

[@Centrioless]

@@jameskwonlee that would be true if the median age stays low. But thats not the reality

[@Ella-g2m]

It was stupid to make a new city instead of designate an existing city. In japan they have Osaka/Kyoto as secondaries to Tokyo. No one wants to live in an artificial city. Also, remote work would fix this. Lower hours, remote work. It's the work culture to blame.

[@ThePallidor]

That and whatever socialist-corporatist policies that caused the problem in the first place.😅

[@Rosula_D]

As long as politicians refuse to do anything about the cost of living and of raising children, they have no right to complain about birth rates. Especially towards women, who face even more challenges in a deeply patriarchal, and actually misogynistic, society like the Korean one. It's the system that's broken, not the actors.

[@MtiuliBichi]

If woman don’t want to have children, then it’s solely their fault !

[@TV-jg2kj]

Misogyny has occurred because women have a high level of visibility, so they try to see the other person's ability and assets, not love, and men also try to see the woman's appearance and personality. Men and women have different ideas.

[@dylantech]

@@MtiuliBichi Korea has the highest child upbringing costs in the world, and very few families can support themselves on a single income. It’s no surprise so many young Koreans can’t picture themselves having children when the costs are so prohibitively expensive. You can pretend that the choice to have children occurs in a vacuum insulated from all other factors, but the reality is that’s simply untrue.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@Rosula_D Please leave your woke Western bullsh*t out of South Korea, please. Everyone else, ignore this fool. They're speading nonsense.

[@lcc6149]

Yeah, so patriarchal that women are saved first in almost every situation, just sayin'

[@justaway7784]

brother, love your videos, but man, do something about your audio, always had to turn my volume up way too high when watching your vids

[@scottfree4913]

Most South Koreans don’t have kids until they are 30 🙄

[@kaede_yuna]

A primary example why you don't want to centralize your economy...

[@ScoutGamingRoblox]

The irony of getting this video recommended rn

[@horridohobbies]

In every country, people flock to the major cities for job opportunities and education. South Korea is hardly unique. The question is, why aren't other countries dying because of this phenomenon?

[@lunayen]

Probably because the capital is larger or they have multiple cities with job opportunities.

[@jinniwind]

Problem is that, other countries have multiple major cities, plurals as you correctly used. Sk only has seoul. Can you imagine any other country whose capital city is the only significant one and has half of the population?

[@joshschoonover6429]

They are facing the same problem. If not for immigration, most Western countries would have low or negative population growth, too. It's too expensive to have large families. So, more and more people opt to have fewer kids, if any at all.

[@ThePallidor]

As always socialist policies are to blame.

[@dmedic213]

If you think financially about kids, you will never have them. Most parents do not have stable finances before they become parents but they still make kids.

[@drjp4212]

And is this a good thing?

[@MrCristianposso]

Yes, and that leaves you with a life full of struggle.

[@dmedic213]

@@MrCristianposso if you're always LED by fear you will never achieve anything in life.

[@Simpli_city_]

The most important things in life are not things ​@@MrCristianposso

[@Scion141]

@@dmedic213 Other fears don't cost as much as having children in SK.

[@lil----lil]

They needed permission from President Sammy first. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 They didn't get it.

[@droger1448]

What about one of the largest collection of 155mm artillery guns that have already been zeroed in on the capital ?

[@doujinflip]

That's been a threat the whole time, and not even a consideration to come to/remain in Seoul.

[@deaththekid3998]

If military strategy was a defining factor in the location a country chooses for its capital, then Paris wouldn’t be Frances capital, and many other world capitals wouldn’t be. This is not my quote, I read in a history book but I can’t remember who said it

[@patnolen8072]

My impression has been that modern-day South Koreans are quite blase about the threat of war.

[@joshschoonover6429]

It's similar to the urban/rural divide many other countries experience, not really unique to South Korea alone. People go where opportunity is, and it's generally not in small towns off in the countryside.

[@hahahaha-yp2dx]

but theres only 1 place to go

[@thedungeon1578]

A lot of studies lately have indicated that cities worldwide might be the reason we have low birthrates, Korea is just the hardest hit because Seoul is basically half the entire population of the country (48.2% last I saw). S Korean birthrate outside Seoul still isn't great, but it's much higher than inside Seoul, and this is reflected in other nations too. And it makes sense - out on the farm, children are free labor, but inside the cities, children are a large expense. This also fits the larger trend where poor families still tend to have more children - often because they can't afford to live in the expensive areas and still tend to live in small towns or countryside.

[@ThePallidor]

Density dependent birth rates are the rule throughout the animal kingdom.

[@bk1507]

spend a few weeks in korea last year. every young person i talked to in seoul was desperate to move abroad.

[@skdkjjajns]

move abroad (X) travel abroad (0) 이민가기 싫음 그냥 여행이 좋음 한국이 살기 제일편하고 좋음

[@svlagonda7417]

Very interesting. The other issue with working in Seoul are sky high rates of anxiety, depression and suicides.

[@Walevolence]

Sounds like Singapore

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

Singapore’s size requires it to be a city-state though.

[@helloworld6126]

Singapore population is tiny.

[@Kyoton-9]

Same thing in Japan, but it isn't as bad (0.55 in Seoul compared to 1 in Tokyo) and the decline isn't much fast. One article said that a solution to increase Japan's birth rate is to move companies out of Tokyo. When young people move to Tokyo things become very expensive that the birth rate is the lowest in the country, while the rural areas decline more rapidly even if many of them have higher birth rates. A construction company called Komatsu Ltd noticed that female employees had more children in Komatsu, Ishikawa than in Tokyo. South Korea could move companies out of Seoul

[@ThePallidor]

Density dependent birth rates are a phenomenon that holds throughout the animal kingdom.

[@1027HANA-lc5ke]

Yes. To many young people moved to Tokyo are the biggest problem. Here in Ichi Ken Nagoya are a better place. But i have 4 children and 10 great grand children.😃🧑‍🦳Japan.

[@LuizAlleman]

The Korean peninsula is basically an island

[@StephanusTavilrond]

You could say: they lost their Seouls

[@kimandre336]

Living in South Korea for almost a decade, I learned that South Koreans should also drop their military-oriented culture in their office environment. Frankly, South Korea is too fascist. Maybe that's why Japan looks rather normal.

[@NamhadiNdemufayo]

Would you mind giving more details? That’s pretty interesting

[@BibaBoba-e8q]

@@NamhadiNdemufayo maybe they refer to hierarchy in Korean society and workplaces. The respect towards older people got to absurd levels. While it is normal to respect older people in many Asian cultures, I think it is not normal to blindly obey or be powerless to contradict someone older than you by a year or who works in a company longer.

[@nevion5533]

@@NamhadiNdemufayo I am from Italy and it's kind of the same here, cuz people thin everything good can be found only in Milan. In SK, about the military, maybe instead they should just reduce it at 1 year of service. Let's not forget the North is heavily militarized, but I would not say the south it's fascist in this days and age. It was 3-4 decades ago when the father of the former SK president (the woman who's in jail now for corruption) took over and created a military government.

[@kleec495]

@@BibaBoba-e8q Yeah this is absolutely correct. It's not only happen in workplace, even in school and interaction between friends. For me this is so unbearable and it's even disgusting how older people demand respect and thought they have right to order younger people as they pleased.

[@tenko5541]

Korea, fascist? Fair. Japan seeming normal, however? Clearly you’ve still got your anime goggles on

[@lukluke2461]

Seoul: 2030 Other big cities: 2020 Cities around Seoul: 2015 Every other: 1985

[@abellyold4859]

Not just in South Korea, in some other countries/ subnational administrative divisions, the biggest city usually pulls in population and capital so much to the extent of leaving smaller cities/towns/villages languishing with diminishing population base and resources.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

I read a book by an investor once, and that was one of his big red flags for a country. If only one city is growing, he felt it was a sign too much power was being concentrated in one place. He felt this was even worse if the city was the capital.

[@joshschoonover6429]

And let's be honest- young people don't want to stay behind in these small towns where there's not much to do, not much opportunity, and is stuck in the past in general mindset.

[@권현운]

No, Korea is even more serious. Can you really believe that the birth rate is 0.7, the suicide rate is the highest in the world, and the number of people who have renounced their nationality is highest in the world?

[@RealSerie26]

11:10 Having lived in Korea, Sejong IS far from Seoul. That is not a daily commute anyone would be willing to do. Things to take into account are traffic and slow speed limits. It took me 5 hours to drive 150 km...twice.

[@ayoCC]

South korea might have stronger population decline exactly because of the population living in basements and mini units dur to poverty, and hyper competitive and scarce opportunity society. They need to commit 2% of gdp to fixing housing until median rental is below 30% of median income, and housing value increases at only 2% of original sale value per year. I think most countries should commit to such goals over a span of 50 years.

[@philfortner1805]

The same thing is going on in every country and its due to the cantillon effect.

[@Orionbae]

I was watching a show called Go After Breakfast where the host wakes up guest in their house, makes them breakfast, and interviews them. One ep had a famous singer whose apartment could only be rented and not buy since, the listing price is apparently too high to be put on the market to sell which is insane to me.

[@TheCrazierz]

Tokyo is very similar. Rural japan is disapearing. Its crazy we see this in more heavily in Asian capitalist countries but not in western ones, or at least not as bad

[@AnonymousAlcoholic772]

The last person alive in Seoul, would he be the sole survivor? Seoul survivor? Soul survivor?

[@theaizere]

lolololol

[@dylantech]

Don't buy the propaganda. Busan is Korea's best city.

[@Tetsugakusha75]

I thought of Busan as well. It's less than half the size of Seoul, but it's a metropolis the size of Berlin, and the maker of this video completely ignores it. While Seoul grew, so did Busan, but this video claims that while Seoul grew, everything else in South Korea shrank. It's not true.

[@dylantech]

@@Tetsugakusha75 It’s a common misconception. What he said about Koreans believing the best of everything being in Seoul is true, but that doesn’t mean other metros aren’t also growing. There’s a concerted effort in Korea to transplant as many people into cities as possible in order to make the most of what little rural land they have, and of course, Busan is also on the receiving end of that, growing despite the nation’s population having already peaked. However, Busan is also a large city with 3.5m people proper and 4.5m in the metropolitan region, and has all the amenities to match. Due to its position on the southeastern coast, it has a gentler, sub-tropical climate, cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter, and way less pollution thanks to the wind patterns that usually take particulates around the city. It has plenty of lovely beaches in addition to the mountains for which Korea is so well known. There’s an excellent subway system and it’s so much easier to get from point A to point B because the transfers are quicker and there’s less distance to cover. I’m an avid cyclist, so that’s my preferred mode of travel, and navigating Busan makes for the best cycling routes I’ve ever experienced. I lived near Gwangalli Beach and worked six miles away in Seomyeon, but could cycle that distance in less time than it took to ride the subway. Riding along the coast is incredible. To top it all off, Busan is more affordable than Seoul, and housing much more so. For those who can look past Seoul, Busan is absolutely the place to be. Even so, you can get from one to the other in under an hour by flight and 3.5 hours by train, so you’re never far away if you wish to frequent the capital.

[@biber9979]

​@@dylantech yeah Busan is so beautiful. For me it's better than Seoul in so many ways. How is the situation with sqm price(new apartment on good location) in Busan right now.

[@rulur]

Of course it is. They even made a movie where people travel on train to Busan

[@abdiellawrence397]

​@@dylantechThank you for all of the nostalgic feelings your post gave me. I worked in Geoje for a year and traveled to Busan on the weekends. My first Costco membership card was purchased in Busan.😊

[@edilbertoumana9135]

Thats like living in the US and all your opportunities for a better life are only tied to either NYC, LA, and San Francisco.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

What? You obviously don't know much about the US.

[@edilbertoumana9135]

@BiggieTrismegistus I was making a comparison based on the information given to the video. Clearly you don't know analogies

[@yongkysiaw6597]

This problem is everywhere around the world right now.

[@kevincgrabb]

10:17 It should be noted that that government building is one VERY long building. It's insane. I've been to Sejong a few times and I was allowed up on the roof and walked along a bunch of it. It's insane. The picture doesn't do it justice.

[@Leo-nn9vy]

Dang good video. But you gotta do something about that audio, couldn't hear anything without my speakers.

[@otienosquad9176]

This is the problem of most countries Keeping all eggs in one basket, increasing the risk of failure while burdening the hand that carries it, eventually negating the advantage of having 100 eggs Decentralised development is true development Focusing only one one city leads to perceived higher per capita income but the high cost of living negates that income growth. Small houses, congested roads, insane education cost, heavy traffic, high cost of living. It basically makes you fight for very limited resources the city's physical boundaries can provide. Also this deprives the other part of the country of development and growth. The major real beneficiary of centralised development is builder-plotican Nexus Decentralised development is true development

[@srenchristensen7898]

Exactly the same problem in Denmark. Copenhagen eating more and more of Denmark, and already now politicans only prioritize Copenhagen and not the rest of the country.

[@patnolen8072]

Can cars and trains go from Germany to Copenhagen without maritime transport on ferries?

[@belindacox8330]

Everything that glitters is not gold. And it is like that in other places as well none of us are exempt from it. Were all kinda screwed.

[@hewas_chewasky]

I think Bangladesh should also build a new Capital

[@AfridiBD]

Exactly, Dhaka is becomin the same problem like Seoul. Dhaka is way larger than other Bangladeshi cities

[@aceblaze8844]

Bangladesh should control their population

[@manjushagongale]

Atleast Bangladesh is not having birth rate problems like South Korea.

[@grzegorzbalcerak576]

The same patterns are occurring in some European countries. Large cities (especially capital cities) grow exponentially while small to middle sized towns are slowly dying out.

[@possiblycurryddork]

Just import North Koreans

[@iceteazen]

import kim jong un as a comedian

[@possiblycurryddork]

@@iceteazen Korea makes a ton of interracial NTR porn too but I suspect it's a vocal minority that is into that shit.

[@POLSKAdoBOJU]

I don't recall having the right to choose what happens to my body three years ago.

[@bruh_hahaha]

S. Korea, one of the most educated societies but also one of the most ignorant.

[@user-se4ev5wi3b]

No😂

[@ThePallidor]

That's the purpose of the Prussian education system that all countries have now adopted: to produce obedient workers. See Fichte et al.

[@D__Ujjwal]

​@@ThePallidor what are other education system please I want to know about it. What was Germany, France , Hungarian education system, how can I learn about it ???