The reason why i sold my push 3

[@averagebedroomproducer5008]

I would argue there is a relationship between the amount of hardware you own and the size of your unfinished projects folder.

[@kaitsu9608]

Definitely correlation there

[@allancerf9038]

Interesting point. For most the opposite, or for 'many.' I grew up with instruments and then moved to software and find that ANY instrument (I include controllers) enables a speedy finish to things in unfinished project folder. I'd say it's software that makes most folks UPF (unfinished project folder) bulge.

[@ibrajimenez2098]

Totally but people will say .. " uhh I just wanna jam " even though they haven't mastered a single of their synths

[@nicholasscott1206]

@@ibrajimenez2098yo! I went from my microfreak (without fully grasping the mod matrix) or even basic synthesizer concepts yet.. shortly after buying a KORG Modwave. Here we are almost 2 years later, my music usually sounds like a “muddy fuck mess” and I wish I could go back and slap tf out of myself for rushing into an advanced level instrument..

[@alcidesduverge]

I agree with every point exposed here. As a former push 2 owner I find these devices to be a little bit distracting and some times on the way of making things easier for the producer. The keyboard and mouse are still a blessing.

[@Steve-br7wt]

The only reason I wanted a “push” type device was to be able to set fixed length for live looping. Saved a bunch by buying a launchpad pro instead.

[@davide2.07]

Guitarist here.. same.

[@alexandrejoyal1284]

There’s a nifty M4L device by Ableton Drummer that lets you setup fixed length recording per clip!

[@djjug-e4761]

People gonna be mad at this video but it’s all facts, as an ableton user this piece of hardware did nothing to enhance my workflow but to each his own!

[@TheRoostMusic]

I bought and sold the Push 2 twice. I'd rather peel gaff tape off my perineum or just use my trackpad than try to finish a track on a Push. I'm too reliant on arrangement view. I didn't see the Push 3 changing much but still considered trying it anyway, masochist I guess.

[@Beatsbasteln]

I like the idea of MPE, too. It will likely get more accessible soon with MIDI2 and stuff, since that also goes into a similiar direction and raises more awareness to these things

[@image66media]

I “rehomed” my standalone after two days. My reasoning is the following: #1 somebody REALLY wanted it. #2 mine came a couple months sooner than I expected and summertime here is insanely busy for me. #3 lack of arranger mode. #4 my AKAI Force is still superior in nearly every way at this time. I’ll get another one (controller probably) at some point. I like it a lot, but as I have the Force and a Push2, it just wasn’t compelling enough for me to have $2000 tied up in it at the moment.

[@sofakingsadboi]

Have you tried the sp404mk2

[@HealyHQ]

I got that joke. That poor man, roasted by Chat...

[@NewMateo]

The lack of mpe support seems to be an industry wide thing. I think most plugin developers are waiting for midi 2.0 which is supposed to basically be mpe on steroids. Even the FL devs have straight up said mpe is just a stop gap and it doesnt make sense designing for mpe when it will be replaced so they dont even have any of their plugins or software support it.

[@matthewgaines10]

MIDI 2.0 has been out already as a standard. Not a lot of people support it because like MPE, it’s a solution seeking a problem. Most people aren’t demanding it. A keyboard with aftertouch, pitch and mod wheels can pretty much do the same thing. MPE is great but not everyone is buying the MPE hardware that is on the market. Manufacturers aren’t rushing to include MIDI 2.0 without the demand.

[@_oe_o_e_]

Sounds like footdragging. I get why you dont want to invest of what can be a losing horse, but like 10-20 years ago software and hardware companies were adopting EVERY new “standard”. It’s kinda the only way to get a standard at the end of the day.

[@NewMateo]

@matthewgaines10 huh your right. Spec was released just under a year ago. Looks like only a few oems have support atm. Maybe a year isn't enough time to get it into their newer products? Either that or they dont have much of an incentive to move fast. Ive used mpe and its really nice but the lack of support for both that and I guess 2.0 really blows imho.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

MPE is fully MIDI 1.0 compliant since its conception.

[@philippebackprotips]

The only things that get that balance of features and playability are the MPC and the Force for me.

[@Darkl0ud_Productions]

Somewhat surprised you didn't wait for some updates before selling it, but I get your reasoning too. Everyone works differently!

[@Emily_M81]

Have you seen the used prices? He could buy another later if an update makes it worth it to him and there's stock, and have money left over XD

[@Darkl0ud_Productions]

@@Emily_M81 right, that's part of why I said I understand his reasoning lmao It's insane people will pay so much for a crippled device

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

I bourght the Machine + - and havent used it ONCE since i did a trial run , and found it fully working - Now i GOTTA get a PUSH 3 , just to see if its faulthy ! 😬

[@Drrolfski]

Ableton for the first time venturing into standalone mobile audio computing, means that this is pretty much a Gen 1 product for them. Meaning you best buy the Push 3 when it has matured more or you just patiently await the upgrades. Expecting it to be the next God machine right after launch was never realistic.

[@shitmandood]

As you get older, those 5 year wait times might as well be a death sentence to wait for it though. 5 and 10 year waits are some serious aging, many things can happen while you wait that long.

[@fischergreen4134]

@@shitmandoodwhen you get to my age I you want it you buy it. Simple as

[@Drrolfski]

@@shitmandood Well, I didn't wait for the Push 3 when I was in the market for a mobile standalone platform with DAW capabilities. I went for a mature standalone platform instead and bought an MPC Live 2 a few years ago.

[@EarleMonroe]

But what I want know know is how he feels about two things: 1) the menu diving, and 2) the workflow

[@s.j.warden801]

😂

[@blaccteezy]

Weaver look like the Head of Security for Portland Meth dispensaries

[@matthewgaines10]

It isn’t for anyone who is a software based person. You’re not going to click with it. Same reason a MPC, Maschine, and digital pianos aren’t for software biased users. Point and click users shouldn’t even try. I don’t have one because I’m not a fan of Ableton despite the fact I have a license and do use it on some level.

[@sativaviolet]

thank you weav dizzle, you are very on point and i understand you clear as vodka! you should run for president, you got my vote

[@sativaviolet]

I think you're justified in the scalp. think about how our whole life we've kinda been getting ripped off by gtr ctr and equipment in general

[@sativaviolet]

maschine mk3+ control Edit . im getting a job so i can support lol

[@boothbuster]

They got me with the Push 1... they got me with the Push 2... no way they are gettin' me with the third! (missed the "trade-in" period on the 1 too... and thought "oh sure I'll use the 2, the screen is so niccccceee....") Seriously though, the Force is what the Push standalone should be. It has the screen, it's got the arranger, and it "just works" if you want true standalone without needing a computer. Part of me wonders if I'd use the Maschine+ (still love Maschine Mk3 even though I'm p/o'ed about the Studio being such a large sunk cost) - I think Push 3 is far behind it too.

[@CITYDAGR8]

2:39 yeah that’s why I said if I go standalone I’ll get an Akia mpc live 2

[@poorlittlemonkey]

If you’re working on a song, switching between a controller and mouse/keyboard is death. I have a push2 and barely use it because of this. If the controller can’t do what I want, I have to switch to mouse/keyboard, then back again. The extra thought of “which control surface can more quickly accomplish this task” is enough of a lag that it’s not worth it.

[@jahdread]

Internet money haircut 😂😂😂

[@manatee_flips6811]

Push 3 is a great idea, might be cool in a couple of years.....I’d use it if I played my beats live.

[@triplebeam23]

Man I don't think people realize how lucky we are to have this channel Weaver is a national treasure .. and 20 years from now after Weaver owns his own network we will appreciate all this amazing content 👏

[@TannerByTheSea]

Yo Weaver, smart investment! I just picked up an SSL big six… I’m rerouting Ableton back through that… Now that’s fucking crazy! Amongst other endless possibilities, I haven’t hooked up to my X8P also! You made a smart move buddy! Let’s wait for the push 4 and then make some decisions! Nice work brother

[@TannerByTheSea]

I have it aggregated… To my Apollo… I “haven’t” stopped using it since I got it

[@Bumper210]

Do you plan to buy Arturia Microfreak instead? You've always said you want some hardware synth

[@Weaverbeats]

thinking about it, or some behringer stuff

[@Bumper210]

@@Weaverbeats I highly recommend checking Arturia Microfreak or Hydrasynth Explorer, IMO best entry level synths you can get

[@havenrab]

Garage band iPad has mpe included free for like 10 years old tech

[@dylnn-music]

People should realize that a laptop + midi controller is going to be just as efficient of a workflow. There's nothing inherently special about having physical buttons for all of the parameters vs. using a mouse to drag them. My personal reason for getting the Push (2) is because I sit at a computer all day for work. I want to have access to music production while on my couch or wherever and not staring at a screen, it feels less straining mentally.

[@3Torts]

love this comment!

[@501Labsmusic]

"I dont need this, but I really really really want it. So That's good enough to justify the purchase"- Weaver Beats, Circa, last week

[@beatz04]

That's how GAS works, duh. Many people have experienced it, otherwise there wouldn't be a word for it.

[@501Labsmusic]

@beatz04 Can you think of another word for it? There's already like 4 different things already using the word "gas". Im sure we can conjure up a new word.... maybe "cap" or "bet"?

[@jack_lion]

I still think you’re crazy but glad you could be honest about your experience. Mines been great so far but im personally trying to get away from the mouse and keys

[@BradSnyder-rr4qc]

I have to agree and I'm planning on selling MI e too. Now off to find an interface again

[@theospenceraz]

sell it to me lol

[@ZeroPointProductions]

Subscribed as I love your humour

[@supermcfly100]

Yo that internet money haircut is hard bro. 😂.

[@realtalk5347]

I respect Weaver for telling the truth most of these reviewers just say that is the greatest thing since sliced bread but they’re not gonna tell you that you can’t make beats on it and you can’t produce on it. It’s only used for playing.

[@Sunartica33]

the push is an instrument, the workflow is made to slow you down so you have time to reflect on sound design and not rush the process. What you says dont make sense its like if you are saying.... oh i dont like playing the guitar because i can use a guitar vst and go faster.

[@colbyisart]

I get fomo about stuff, but I usually wait a few months and see if I really want it. It helps me at least. 💜🤷🏽✊🏼💯

[@dodgingrain3695]

what problems does everyone have with unstable vst's? I don't have a single one that causes crashes and I have a lot.

[@ninevolt]

my guess is since the push 3 operating system is a version of Linux, whereas most VSTs are written for Windows & macOS, they would run poorly or more likely not at all

[@huntergalloway3944]

Damn that was fast!

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

One of things which make me a bit annoyed at the marketing and videos about the Push 3 is that they talk about MPE this and that like the Push 3 was the first MPE controller with that form factor. The Roger Linn LinnStrument has been on the market since 2014 and while it doesn't have the fancy screen, knobs and such, it has twice the amount of pads (128 on the smaller 128 version, 256 on the larger one), is class compliant, can be used in mobile devices and all settings for it are configured on the unit itself, which makes it trully cross platform, as all the device will see is a class compliant MIDI controller. And Roger Linn himself along with a few people compiled a list of MPE compatible presets for SurgeXT.

[@avationmusic]

I only want the Push 3 for MPE, but it’s not nearly worth it just for that. I have a Push 2, and as you said, I pretty much just use it for the encoders and pads. Maybe one day if I have stupid money to waste😂

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Buy a LinnStrument 128 then. It's only a bit more than the Push 3 standalone and has 128 pads.

[@jaimerodriguez1550]

I bought an Ableton push 2 and idk its not great for finger drumming the pads too small and it's difficult get a flow going. Too many options. Ableton should come out with a 16 pad sampler type think like Maschine or Akai and a bigger screen.

[@JEFFMAN90]

If Ableton came out with a 16 pad drum controller like the Maschine they would be killing it

[@lostreligion1313]

Some people like cooking and some don’t

[@JonathanHatcher]

As soon as I clicked the like button, my left ear disappeared..

[@pdppdp3854]

Will a CPU upgrade Ableton is marketting...drain the battery faster?? make you wonder huh!!

[@beatz04]

Here's the thing with MPE though: As nice as it is, it's not like you would make a full MPE album, would you ? Meaning, yeah, nice to have for a track or two, but not important enough for me to upgrade to P3 from P2. I had GAS when it came out and thought i definitely need MPE, but then i realized i probably would only use it on a few tracks, thus not really worth it.

[@louisik1]

Can't people just use the pitch bend and expression control or pedal to get “mpe“?

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

My biggest point with a MPE device ( not the Push. I want a LinnStrument instead) is the small footprint for the amount of notes you have coupled with the pattern based interface. While I can comfortably find space for even the larger LinnStrument on my desk, having a full 88 key controller requires some pre-planning and compromises to be made.

[@Alckemy]

Abletons session view needs a lot of work before it becomes streamlined. And honestly keyboard plus mouse is the most efficient workflow for most producers that aren’t recording focused. Hope you got most of your cash back! (Edit nvm lol) The embodme Erae is pretty sick if you want to check out a nice in between

[@avationmusic]

What issues have you with session view?

[@Alckemy]

@@avationmusic I’ve made a bunch of videos on it

[@allancerf9038]

Dude are you talking about the session View in Push 3 or in the software, LOL. Session View in software has been around for 20+ years, what 'mature' improvements are you waiting for?

[@fischergreen4134]

I saw it and I wanted it. I gave it a few days and thought this is nuts I have a force I'm used to it. What will I gain against buying another synth in fact for the price, two synths. In the end I brought a Swam

[@Space_pulse]

What’s a Swam?

[@fischergreen4134]

@@Space_pulse Ha Ha spelt it wrong. Its the Quardrantid Swarm. Awsome synth like nothing else ideal for techno and experimental cost me £500

[@Space_pulse]

@@fischergreen4134 ooh, nice!

[@The_Sonic_Ally]

thanks for taking the scalpers bonus hit. so we dont.. ehh have too. lol. worlds so f`kin broken.

[@nuttob]

Standalone would be great for live performance. I never understood why you would buy a device with a small screen on it to do DAW work. That goes for the MPC as well...

[@boutstaxx]

The Mpc has a 7inch or a 10inch Screen

[@nuttob]

@@boutstaxx Yes an improvement over push, but you are still in menu hell compared to a DAW.

[@jonathanaguilar710]

Personally I don't like to be stationary sitting at a desk cooped up for hours. I move around so does my instrument. When I get something nice I put it in a daw, finalize, and pump it out. Everyone has a different style and way of making music

[@nuttob]

​@@jonathanaguilar710 Agreed. I use an iPad for what you are describing. I should have stated for mobility instead or added to live performance in my original post.

[@jonathanaguilar710]

@@nuttob yea makes more sense now. Having owned a force, mpc live and maschine which are arguably the most comprehensive standalones, I agree fully finishing a track on any of them just isn't worth the struggle tbh.

[@Craftmaster3]

Weaver participates in capitalism....so proud of you

[@discopas2826]

A very well done, funny, entertaining video, telling nothing new.

[@jayphoenix9813]

I contacted ableton to get return information a week ago. Still no reply:(

[@remixedcat]

The lack of MPE is a huge problem cuz that's the fun part of it

[@edinatl2008]

I appreciate the follow up to the original hype video :D. I sort of compared your experience to mine with the Maschine, because it's always an open question of "is this actually better than mouse + keyboard + DAW?" and constantly questioning workflow life decisions. If Maschines were 3x the price I would probably sell/return mine as well, that's kind of how I'm looking at the Push 3 as a non-Ableton guy.

[@AudioReplica2023]

the mushroom haircut lmfao

[@thegroove2000]

Push for "PUSH TO THE KERB".

[@TechnoNates]

Curb?

[@wastepreserve]

@@TechnoNates "kerb" looks cooler

[@deadmanwalking6342]

Because you are looking forward to the Bush 3 for half the price.

[@famousarmystudio]

That haircut has you looking like Ben Afflleck's not famous brother.

[@Rhythmattica]

The reason I don't write music with a mouse.... Opps.. To soon? Mwhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaaa

[@vinylselektaz6475]

MPC FOR LIFE!

[@rekayrovera]

Shiiiiiiii u can have this kidney as long as I get a cut lmaoooo

[@sammadden5540]

Hot take, unless you perform live you don't need Push 3

[@woopeedyscoop1858]

to expirience even more juicy limitations you can go back to ableton 4 and turn off 1 of your monitors (rip off 1 of headphone cans) just imagine creative boost you`ll expirience! you cant wait to try it, i bet

[@Weaverbeats]

lol

[@SonicVibe]

Saw that coming hopefully ya didn’t take to bad a loss

[@Simeon2247]

he said he sold it for more than he bought it, so he took a win

[@SonicVibe]

@@Simeon2247 nice someone else took the L

[@nicklovn4177]

Push 2 is where it’s at

[@justinrivera1603]

Damn, 🤦‍♂️God bless

[@alancarmody8848]

Sounds like you got a sweet deal, a fully loaded push for a midi chord pack

[@Weaverbeats]

2 chord packs actually

[@jean_voyage]

Great for people who (whiny voice) “don’t know anything about music theory like me”

[@djsusan00]

the 5 dislikes are people who own a push 3 and didn't find the video that was gonna help validate their purchase

[@krazywabbit]

Massive scalper here... I can't hate. not like you're the first person to buy something hopped up on caffeine then scalp a dude from unison.

[@Blueblackngold]

I just want my vsts to bloody work in this mf daw!

[@cecilia_mackie]

OMG that’s fantastic! Shall we connect?

[@cecilia_mackie]

Very impressive! Shall we connect?

[@TranceCore3]

I was hype for it, but I barely use live

[@SM-tb3uc]

bro not sure what is going on with fucking barbers this week. i got a fucking awful haircut too. i could have asked her to fix it, but i didnt. i just paid and left. massive pushover.

[@darrylcannon6628]

He made my entire year with the sep from unison part

[@tupapa7230]

Did you trade the push 3 for that hair cut!?!?😂

[@Weaverbeats]

yes

[@steveimprovises]

Get yourself a Haken Continuum Mini. Every patch is MPE and way deeper than any other implementation, Lippold calls it MPE+. Continuums have been doing MPE for 10 years before that term even existed. If you're used to Max/MSP already, the programming interface won't be that weird to you. I'd mention Osmose too but good luck getting one b4 2025. If you want to sell my full size Continuum from one of the first batches... well I'd consider a collector's offer only.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

I'd say a LinnStrument 128 is more band for the buck in a sense. It has the same form factor as the Push, even though it has been on development for longer than it and came out one year after the first Push was released, twice the amount of pads and four times in the full size version, fully class compliant, works on mobile devices and all settings are changed in the unit instead of some PC or mobile based interface.

[@onlymechs]

Reason I sold my push 2 haha

[@boothbuster]

Unison Audio - the ORIGINAL Push(er)...

[@allancerf9038]

Weaver Beats - Curious how much you lost by driving it off the lot? Every Car or Push on the road is used? Did you recoup closed to 2 grand? None of my god damned biz I know, but a good video nonetheless. Proof I watched the full vid - you sold it for mo.' Nice.

[@jayphoenix9813]

I wouldn’t exactly call that a poor financial decision if you actually made money on the sale:)

[@gotekomusicc]

This mfkr always got jokes 😁

[@Cartman-Official]

Does this business move prove that Weaver is the Gary Vee of the producer community. I think yes. Sorry Curtis and Busy yall still just Wallmart Gary Vee

[@VIRALBEATS360]

What a fascinating turn of events...the GAS was heavy with this one. Osmose 🤤

[@Bibblebabbler]

Sorry about you getting azz cancer better luck next life.

[@MRboomchongo]

You picked the best time to sell it. I’ve spent good money on controllers and I think they are overrated. Unless a controller can give you a revolutionary way of manipulating parameters mouse and keyboard are unmatched.

[@bebopgaming7254]

I think it looks better than the normal haircut, it's not that much different though. lol...

[@oggyogg586]

Massive Scalper.

[@koalemos1679]

Remove MPE and there’s nothing special about this thing.

[@DarkMetaOFFICIAL]

massive consumer

[@ZionGuySupreme]

Launchpad pro mk3 is what I use. I think the Push 3 menu diving might not be as efficient as just a launchpad and ableton on a laptop.

[@MegaGliders]

PROPS for turning a profit bro.

[@OkiDokiMrK]

Based

[@edbrito-swdev]

You''ll sell me body parts? Can you get me a new knee?

[@theshillpill6937]

Ableton 30 day return policy

[@voodoohex72]

sold it for more then you got it for right? Too soon to not get full refund.

[@Runneround]

coulda been cool but no arrangement view etc makes the standalone feature kind of pointless...

[@MaximusWhyman]

Sold my Push 2 awhile ago as it took longer to do everything. Mouse and keyboard much faster

[@City2x]

I think ableton has problems....

[@allancerf9038]

Which?

[@City2x]

@@allancerf9038 haha. I think they have qa issues within manufacturing with the push 3. I believe they are going to have a maxforlive problem with the push 3. And I believe not going through traditional retail sales channel was a mistake. But that may have been some foresight to get upfront sales. Rather than retailers telling customers to wait due to all the bugs. They knew it was buggy. There is no way around that. I also believe they were not upfront on the limitations and feature set of push 3. Which is why they choose to sell it themselves. It all feels a little shady to me. My partner has a push 3 standalone, and it was not what we were expecting. It's actually an incredibly limited version of desktop ableton. No direct audio monitoring???!!!!? I'm not gonna list features we expected it to have. But yeah.

[@frankwalders]

Here get my opinion: opinion!

[@JoeySokol]

You can sell my freshly shaved taint ✌️🤠 I would have traded it for your Push 3, but you already sold it to the Unison goblin

[@morehart505]

Wow that's a comment