The Reasons Why Usb C Hubs Are Killing And Bricking M1 Macbooks And How To Stop It

if you really want to know why usb c hubs are bricking or killing yor macintosh m1 computers then you need to watch the entre video because iam also going to tell you how to prevent it as well

[@mohab752]

As an electronic engineer I have to disagree with you. We put input protections on our hardware to protect against all reasonable inputs/outputs to a circuit. The PD hubs are only damaging Macs and not PCs so it is reasonable to assume apple did something wrong. Telling people it is 3rd party hubs is just like telling people they are holding the iPhone wrong.

[@KevinMillard68]

well you can think as you wish but iam not just a certified apple tech but also PC as well have been for over 30 years apple and over 28 years pc and I have seen unpowered hubs also take out pcs USB ports as well care to add more its also a well known fact the engineers don't always get things right either had that experience as well many times having to correct what was wrong with someones else's blunders

[@klaysskipper6843]

Yup they don’t even have a dock on the site the dock/dongle I bought was from their website it’s a 3rd party I think it was something to do with fast charger and thunderbolt cable being too much for it and had to fry something on the power rail bc it’s not reading any volts at all but the dongle and charger still did

[@PWingert1966]

I hold my iPhone with only four fingers since I don't have a thumb and it has never bricked due to a USB hub!🤣

[@TheMultiGunMan]

Awesome video Kevy! People need to be educated about this. Thanks for making this video.

[@KevinMillard68]

Glad you enjoyed it thanks and yes they sure do

[@Harrysound]

Mate, time is finite, I’ll be drawing a pension before I find the answer.

[@KevinMillard68]

what answer is it you seek

[@michaelellis6384]

Nice 😅😅😅

[@katebeedot6964]

I was actually searching for hubs online and the powered type "seemed better" to me as I'm always been careful about attaching too many plugs into an electrical hub. So, thanks, confirmed my suspicion and now quite relaxed about having to choose the right power hub for the very "essential" Macair M1. Btw, my 2013 Macair is still going strong.

[@KevinMillard68]

Glad I could help! and good to hear the old air is still going great

[@ethanstechworld207]

Hey fantastic video. Just a clarifying question (kind of a dumb one). When you say "Powered hub" does that mean it's powdered from a wall adapter, while a "Non-powered" hub is powdered from the computer? Also if a goal is to plug the MacBook into a monitor, do you recommend just getting a USB C - HDMI cable instead of a hub that includes an HDMI port? Are there any powered hubs you reccomend? Thanks!

[@KevinMillard68]

yes one that plugs into the wall is best , and i wou;ld sudgest an open port on your computer for your external display there are converters out there that work great for that purpose . there are load of choices of hubs it all depends om the features your after what you go for

[@mathogre]

This was very helpful and informative. The tech details were great! This makes so much sense now. Thank you so much!

[@KevinMillard68]

You are so welcome! iam happy I was able to help you

[@rolfobin5760]

I had no idea of the problems with non powered hubs until I watched your video. I am now subscribed to your youtube. Thanks

[@KevinMillard68]

you most welcome and thank you stay tuneed loads of tech on my channel and loads more on the way and happy new year

[@ThiagoConsorti]

Excellent content and information. Needed. Thank you for sharing and reminding us of these important details.

[@KevinMillard68]

Glad it was helpful!

[@outinasia]

The bottom line is, If Apple are going to be selling Lap-Flops with only 2 ports, the least they could do is manufacture their own dongles. They'd make a lot money from them anyway so they have nothing to lose. I would definitely trust a Mac dongle for my mac computer. And honestly, your reason for Apple not advising us about this situation is rediculous tbh.

[@KevinMillard68]

apple sells you the computer they don't put warrnings on computers stating only use a powered hub that can supply the required power for your needs other wise you will blow your computer sorry dude no one does that.. this is time tested with all the results showing that when not using a powered hub you will cook stuff also keep in mind these ports own power output are made for low draw devices so using devices that exceed even the onboard amperage you have per port will still cook them even with out a hub.. and apple does have a lot of their own dongles how ever even if they made the ones you want you still think you can get away with loading it up ummm nope you won't.. I been a verified apple tech for over 30 years and pc certified for over 28 years now with that being said I now what Iam talking about..

[@outinasia]

@@KevinMillard68 Thanks for your comment, Yes, I believe they should offer a dongle to go with the M1. Also, I agree you know a lot more than me and the average person hence I watched your video. I dont doubt your knowledge at all, but that's my point. The fact that we're having to hear this information from you! a random 'youtuber' instead of 'Apple' themselves, is completely rediculous.

[@OccupyBlackMedia]

@@KevinMillard68 they should still say something at the sales floor.no excuse... that is bullshit..they limit the inputs yet fail to say hey get a powered hub??? whatever//

[@melbanana8369]

I agree.

[@bennaambo2716]

apple sells dongles my friend

[@nmiwatson9202]

you saved my sanity, my new Mac m1 was really starting to bug out and I had no clue why, is the damage reversible? and also I have the same usb hub as u do in this video (same exact design at least) and I have just a hdmi plugged into a 65 inch tv. should I always keep the power cable plugged into my Mac when doing this? or should I just forget using that big of a tv in general

[@KevinMillard68]

once the damage is done its done you cant reverse it .but you can stop things from getting worse by gettting a proper powered hub and still dont try and use all the ports at the same time never a good idea

[@davidgore1144]

Thank you so much for this invaluable information.

[@KevinMillard68]

You are so welcome!

[@AC-MAIN]

Great video. Learned a lot - Thank you and cheers.

[@KevinMillard68]

Glad it was helpful!

[@nicholasmark4405]

Love your tips about those Dongles I did the exact thing you said ,thank for the lesson ,could you tell me the mode of the wave link you use thank you.

[@KevinMillard68]

the wave link hub I use I just plug it and and thats it I don't use the clone feature on it my self I prefer using cone software for that on my Mac and pc I love the hot swap on the pc side tho I wish apple had a hot swap system

[@PurushaDesa]

People need to start treating these things like their plug sockets at home. Everyone knows if you attach too many home appliances into the same adapter, you'll end up getting a power outage. (We've all seen that really reckless thing where someone's plugged an adapter _into another adapter_ , expecting to operate 7 or 8 appliances from a single wall socket.)

[@KevinMillard68]

so true

[@pappsa8]

Thanks man! That was informative!

[@KevinMillard68]

Glad it was helpful! your welcome

[@Madhukirtan]

Could you please help me to understand if I could use for example a Satechi 7 hub, to connect a small interface connecting to it my guitar and a condenser microphone (with phantom power) and the HDMI at to it at the same time? Using Logic to record music on my new MacAir M1? I just bought the computer and now cannot use the USB ports and HDMI, because I'm afraid of destroying it with the wrong kind of hub. It's important for me to have a portable hub, as I intend to travel and play outdoors. Thank you very much in advance! :) Kind regards, from Portugal, Ilha da Madeira.

[@KevinMillard68]

if you want to hook all that stuff up at the same time you need a powered hub that or use both ports on the air to get your hookups going and run the computer on battery power there are also small powered hubs like aplomb i think its called its on my channel and you can power it from your macbooks charger and this would give you HDMI as well as 3 usb A ports and 2 car reader ports to .. you wll need to upgrade the power supply for your air tho if you want all that hooked in at same time

[@paulocorrea001]

Hi! Thanks a lot for the video, already subscribed :) but so, if I use a hub that's not powered and fill it up but have the laptop plugged in, then it should be ok?

[@KevinMillard68]

nope

[@PrinceMascara]

yes it should be okay as long as the power plug is directly going to one of your macbook usb c

[@danielagapov8565]

Thanks for the info. I’d appreciate your advice on my situation. I have a MacBook Pro (2020 version, not M1) with 2 thunderbolt ports. What I previously had working was an Apple power adapter in one port, with a thunderbolt charging connector and a USB connection to my monitor’s own USB devices (my mouse, keyboard, etc.). In the other thunderbolt port, I had just the monitor’s USB-C display connection. This was working, until I believe I bricked it from switching out the adapter to an off-brand one (I believe the exact same one that’s in your video) and connecting more things to it. What I know works: the closest of the two thunderbolt ports (with my charger connector, the USB-C display connector on its own, the Apple adapter hooked up only to the charger connector). However, this doesn’t work anymore: having the USB-C dsplay connector in the further thunderbolt port, with my charger in the closer one together (not even with the apple adapter like before). I’ve learned from the video that I should just have my charger connector directly into one thunderbolt port. With the other one, I need to connect my USB-C display connector and my USB connector to my monitor’s devices. What type of hub should I get to do that with? I’m willing to get a more costly powered one, but can I connect a USB-C and regular USB into that?

[@KevinMillard68]

Get A powerd standard Hub that needs Power seperate or get a Powered Thunderbolt HUb these are coslty but they are the best and youll have more thunderbolt ports where as standard even powered hubs dont have thunderbolt access ..

[@fooboomoo]

Thank you for the insightful content, it convinced me to buy a powered ORICO dock. Now I realize that it has a power supply with only 65W output yet it has an upstream TB port with 60W charging and a downstream port with 15W output. Those numbers just don't add up and that is not counting all the other ports. Could this be bad for my M1 Macbook Air, or will it just deliver less amps to charge it?

[@KevinMillard68]

you dont use your dock to charge your macbook use its own charger for charing and use the power supply for the dock to power the dock as the mac does not have the power to run all that stuff properly which is why we need powered docks with their own power supplys for the docks

[@fooboomoo]

@@KevinMillard68 I checked and the dock turns off when I disconnect the power supply, so the mac never powers the dock through the TB port (unlike hubs with PD) so it should be safe. For the mac at least.

[@itswrongtokillanimalsifyou2837]

13:48 Main point. Great informative video, BTW!

[@KevinMillard68]

Cool, thanks!

[@JaneSagan]

Thank god for this comment

[@mitchelliasandra]

Love your explanation. I have questions. I was a Windows laptop user, but now I just change my Windows to MacBook Pro M1 16" 2021. Is that okay if I use an unpowered USB hub for my HDD external USB 3.0? For sure, I won't charge my MacBook through the hub. I only use the hub to access my external hard disk. Since I love to travel, I think the powered USB hub is not convenient to bring. Or do you have any suggestions? Is it better to buy the adapter instead than the hub?

[@KevinMillard68]

if all your going to use is just and external drive i dont see why you would even consider a hub all you need is a type A to usbc adapter to use and external HDD personaly i would just buy an external type C SSD now there is a trick with using adapters to convert it becomes directional dependent other wise the drive with either not mount or it will be really slow and youll hear a weird noice comming from your speakers that happen then just flip the plug around at the usb C end of the adapter , with reugal USB C cable comming from a usb C SSD you will not have the to deal with its plug and go and either direction plus SSDs are way faster then HDD Drives

[@mitchelliasandra]

@@KevinMillard68 Thank you so much for the answer😄

[@antoniocampos3740]

Hi, thanks for this informative video. I have a m1 mbp 14 and i have an arturia keylab 61. i want to buy a hub to connect the usb a, is this safe now with the latest macbook update? should i connect the keyboard through midi cable in my interface or connect a hub with usb a? i question because you have a music production setup too haha, thanks in advance!

[@KevinMillard68]

no matter what you will still need a properly powered powered hub , also i use only usb A connections to my midi stuff

[@vanshbhatnagar9472]

Hey good sir,very much thank you for the video. Could you please help me out? I just brought a brand new M1 Air and i only plan to use my Seagate external hdd,a wacom CTL 472 tablet and maybe a mechanical keyboard. And sometimes the pendrives,ext hdd and wacom would be used simultaneously Which hub would you recommend? A wall socket powered one or the ones powered by the usb type c port I am so much paranoid as i have been able to afford this macbook with very much difficulties and would just not want to ruin it Thanks! What would

[@KevinMillard68]

A wall socket powered one is your best option

[@axlcrush]

Thanks for explaining. I am now considering getting a powered hub. I am not sure whether that caused my 2017 MacBook Pro to have issues. With my new m1 MacBook Pro I am not going to take the risk.

[@KevinMillard68]

Glad I could help!

[@28majin]

This vid is great. I’m sure many people would benefit frm this info. U did indeed dumb it down guitar well I understood it perfectly lol.

[@KevinMillard68]

cool stuff and thanks

[@Smiley41121]

Is a hub good if you just wanna connect your wireless mouse? I don’t do much and I’m a bit out of touch with the new updates. I just wanna use a wireless mouse and maybe a flash drive.

[@KevinMillard68]

you can but why not just use a bluetooth mouse and keyboard so much less hassel

[@Smiley41121]

@@KevinMillard68 you’re right!! I’m gonna try that as well. Thanks for your help ☺️

[@jimmybwoooiiiid]

Guessing this would apply to M2 mbp also? Is there any way we can check the condition of our ports? I have ran diagnostics and EtreCheck, with no errors coming up. I have 2 hubs, both let you plug the apple charger in the end. Do they count as powered hubs?

[@KevinMillard68]

yes it would and nope not that iam aware they eitehr work or done but thats the usual only way of testing i know of to check fro damage is to plug something in like a ssd drive and if it stays stable then the port is stilll good but if it goes flaky then its gone bad if its shot it just wont do anything

[@jimmybwoooiiiid]

@@KevinMillard68 Reply very much appreciated! Hmm interesting.. I have a 6 month old M2 macbook pro, HDMI on both my hubs has stopped working. It powers stuff like SSD, but not my audio interface. Even if I put an USB A to C adaptor and plug straight into the machine. It's almost like it is putting out a lower voltage/amperage or something. Worked fine up until yesterday! Edit: I say "lower voltage/amperage" like I actually understand all this stuff 😂

[@andr3970]

Thanks for the video. I buy a “dell da310” adapter and i want to use it to connect only my mouse and my hard driver on my m1 MacBook pro. It is safe to use it having both of this devices at the same time connected through the adapter?

[@KevinMillard68]

you can. use any usb hub you want but you need to know what the total current or amp draw is of what your plugging in each item sub divades the amps so if your hardrive is mechanical and it draws 1.2 amps then you have about 1.3 amp total left from your port now using a hub the hub it self draws very little but must be counted as well then you plug in your usb mouse so you need to know the current draw of that item as well ,, and soon ,, with a powered hub you have alot more options and alot more stuff you can plug in all at the same time,, i can not give you solid answers to whats best for you but a sata ssd drive and a mouse and nothing else should not be a problem even with a non powered hub , my sudgestion is this get your self a bluetooth mouse instead if the usb one, as for the hardrives i reccomend only sata ssd drives because even tho they do use the same volts they use far less amp draw even in larger size drives they wont chew up alot of amperage mechanicial drives tho suck uo alot of amperage as do different brands of usb sticks even in the same size ...

[@andr3970]

@@KevinMillard68 thanks.

[@jcstevegigs]

I bought a MacBook M1 Pro with 3 Thunderbolt ports. I'm using it for recording music. Is there a difference between the 3 ports? I remember seeing a video a while back that mentioned it.

[@KevinMillard68]

thunder bolt 3 and 4 are more or less the same they have the same speed rating but Thunderbolt 4 is a bit faster but when it comes to audio it wont make any difference even over Type A USB

[@santanubandyopadhyay2189]

i have a pass through type c hub . I am planning to use for one external ssd and one external monitor . max addition would be one sd card occasionally ... how much risky is that?

[@KevinMillard68]

if your hub is not powered well iam sure you can guess its not going to go well in the end

[@omarkhattab16]

Hi Kevys, I have a usb-c hub connected to my MacBook Pro m1 that i will connect to it an external Monitor and a Bluetooth keyboard (via the keyboard Bluetooth dongle) And the charger will be directly to the mac usb-c port And that is all Is it safe to go with this setup? Secondly I wanaa ask if the latest macOS does solve the issue? Thanks in advance

[@KevinMillard68]

i would not waste the ports with dongles for your keyboard and mouse i dont and i have no problems at all , as for your hub get a powered one never use a non powered hub on any laptop or desk top there is not enought amps comming out of the ports to supply proper power for hubs

[@hishcodes]

Great video sir! I was wondering what if I charge my macbook air m1 using one usb port and connect the dongle to the other usb port. I will be using an ssd and mouse connected to then dongle at the same time. Will this cause any issue?

[@KevinMillard68]

Yes you can! and a mouse and and SSD drive same time is not much of a draw so you should be just fine how ever i would reccomend upgrading to a bluetooth mouse of some sort, usb dongled mice are really old school. these days and why suck up port power when you dont have to ..

[@hishcodes]

@@KevinMillard68 sure, got it. Thanks a lot!

[@supbrice]

Summary! > If you are going to connect just one output device at a time to the hub, then you are fine. >If you are going to connect multiple devices to the hub then use a powered hub. Correct?

[@KevinMillard68]

there is a yes and no to that some ssd drives even require 1.6 amps to run stable and i have one that unless it gets at least 900 mah it wont stay stable and type A ports only give you 500 Mah so not stable unless you now use a typoe C cable type c and thunder bolt give you 900 mah even with the bare min your still going to see these devices run hot .. Nvme drives use over 2 amps at the starting of the smaller drives this again gives problems on type C they can run sorta stable at least they stay mounted but the temps are very high even sitting there doing nothing again problems all around ,, i really think the companies that make our stuff need to find ways of lessing the power draw and still giving us speed i have also talked in videos abotu my WD External ssd that is rated for 1150 read and 1000 write and it runs rather toasty and i get under 800 with it and it should do more but it cant as its not getting the power it needs so that makes for a new set of problems there as well there is alot to this stuff that many people just dont get and no matter how many times i try and help very few still get it but i do the best i can to help people so they dont blow there stuff up I tell the truth unlike the manufactors that lie to us all. the time and when many belive the lie its hard to get them to see the truth..

[@alenatravel]

I’m confused as a not English speaker. Will my new MacBook Pro m2 be damaged if I plug this hub in it and plug charging in to another port ?

[@KevinMillard68]

you still use your macbook charge cable to keep your laptop charged what you need is a seperate power supply to power this hub properly other wise you can and likey will damage your latpop if you dont

[@kubolkudesai]

I have been using older Anker Anker 7-Port USB 3.0 Data Hub (powerd) for 6 months, yesterday I could not log in to my m1 mac mini account, because the keyboard atached to it randomly typed some stuff. I had to disconnect the hub and use recovery mode. Weird stuff.

[@KevinMillard68]

intersting but id just use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse on your mac ,, i use a logictech mx keys for mac keyboard and the mx master mouse pc/mac version and no problems at all here .. i hate wired keyboard and mice on macs but on a PC thats different and i use gamer stuff on my pc ..

[@kubolkudesai]

@@KevinMillard68 Yes, i did use a Apple wireless keyboard but it does not work anymore, so I found a old Apple wired. Not super convienient , but it worked...Apple ist a good company but they experience misterious problems which occur from time to time. M1 mini is a good machine but the lack of ports is really annoying, Now i have to find a hub for my 3 external drives - TM and Superduper... But sorry 200 or 300 Euro for the thunderbolt hub, now way. Thanks for your video.

[@Asmrnerd10]

Hasnt the latest mac os update fix this problem? Does this problem still happen?

[@KevinMillard68]

Mac OS has nothing to do with unpowered hubs blowing ports

[@MatthewJMaurer]

Wonderful video I was Curious why the UGreen Revodok pro 9 for some reason would drop HDMI signal from time to time.. Guess this is due to the Power as I have a 2 USB dongles plugged into it.....

[@KevinMillard68]

thanks for the comment

[@inwerp]

This is not really apple or pc problem but rather texas instrument issue, cant say any other is better. In most cases i fix, cd3215/3217 is being killed by charger or waterdamage which sends 20v to CC pin. Some mac models had quite good system called in schematics "save CC", but it was ommited since 5 years. To provide 5v output macs use dedicated 5v power supply which i seen maybe failed only once and it was rather waterdamage issue. TPS6598 or cd3215 does not provide any output by itself, it simply passes through 5v reg if needed. Same is for cd3217(basically same chip with integrated fets and less LDOs around). So getting any amount of current till shutdown should not really damage PD controller which is what fails in macs quite often. Well, in any usbc powered notebooks. Accourding to my tickets with approx 400 macs a year, i had 5v reg issue 2 times last year compared to roighly 1/3 charging circuit issues with burned PD controller.

[@KevinMillard68]

all usb ports are capable of 5 volts the problem here is lack of Mah which is whats causing problems did you not pay atttenion at all.

[@inwerp]

@@KevinMillard68 no need to be rude for no reason. i fix macbooks for living and i just shared my experience based on hundreds of macs i fixed in last couple of years. i seen only one mac with confirmed USB 5v Regulator short which caused machine malfunctioning and one with the bad output but functional machine. The most common failure on Macbooks is charging issue caused by one or multiple dead cd3215/17s on board. This often attributed to the "bad third party hub", however lack of Mah can't possibly cause any issue with CD3215/CD3217 since both are just doing pass-through in output mode. Also on 4TBT machines 5V output for hubs and etc is provided by separate voltage regulator, for example, on Intel 16" that would be 2 voltage regs with insane 10amps per side. Small 2 port macs reuse 5v/3V reg for USB output with also pretty high nominal output (around 6A). there might be a possible correlation between using external hubs and VCCIO(GAY-GAV) chip failure, but it only happens on devices with one particular revision of ISL95870 with chip markings "GAY", and never on another.

[@klaysskipper6843]

And as for splitting amps that all depends on the circumstances their are several chargers that will change at max amp per each outlet and the ones the divide amps are cheep and not worth anything

[@KevinMillard68]

if you get hi end chargers you might find a few that out the same amps per port but the majority split the amps even the vast majority of high end ones as well

[@Aizea_Media]

im just a bit confused because i have a usbc hub, and i use the hdmi port, wireless mouse and a wired keyboard, and my mouse has lag sometimes thats very noticeable.. how can i avoid this mouse lag?

[@KevinMillard68]

are you powering the ub from an external powersupply or just using a usb port because you should be using a seperate 3 to 5 amp power supply with a hub other wise you will burn up the usb port in your computer

[@far_sad]

Hey, is it okay if I use Anker 5 in 1 for my MacBook air m1 (2020)?

[@KevinMillard68]

as long as it has a way to power the hub then yes it wilkl be fine if not then you stikl can but you risk your mac so your choice

[@far_sad]

@@KevinMillard68 thank you so much for the reply. Have a good day. :)

[@vitalinguist]

I happened to buy a bad UGREEN device. It did not cook my MacBook properly. No smoke, no show, just a very hot USB hub and TouchBar not turning on + disconnecting SSD. All due to all ports filled + 4K HDMI 24/7

[@KevinMillard68]

stuff happens for sure, im kinda done with alot of these hubs i have a 7 port usb A hub now that has each port its only switch and a power charger seperat port the whole thing is also powered with its in power supply so not taking power from my mac at all. and then i have my mac ports i can fill everything up and just turn on what i need then turn off when iam dont and never had a problem ever since

[@melbanana8369]

How about, usb type C OTG adapter? Is it okay to plug it in my mac?

[@KevinMillard68]

OTG adapter?

[@sysdevman]

What about a hub with a power through usb - c port for power delivery, where the laptop charger gets plugged in?

[@KevinMillard68]

you should not power a hub thure your computers usb port it wont have enough power not to mention you lose a second port as well either way lack of proper power all powered hubs should should only be powered thur a seperat Powersupply with 3 to 5 amps at 5 volt

[@sysdevman]

@@KevinMillard68 Thx, I have a Ugreen 9 in 1 hub with a separate 96W Apple USB-c charger plugged into it's usb-c power through port. The laptop gets charged via the hub's built in usb-c power / data cable. So while power is going into and charging the laptop, the same connection carries data to and from laptop and peripherals connected to the hub. So far I have an audio interface, mouse and keyboard connected to the hub. I have a separate laptop usb-c port connected to and external monitor displayport. (found that used less power than using the hub's HDMI port) Things do get fairly warm, but not hot. My next decision is what kind of external mass storage unit to connect to the hub - SSD, Cased NVME or Flash Drive.

[@eddiehitthebeat1831]

hello good sir! so im getting a little bit worried now, just bought one of these hubs. after watching this I guess im safe if im using the hdmi and a usb port in order to use my mouse. just bought a MacBook so im new in this world. appreciate u

[@KevinMillard68]

thanks man

[@LilCyko]

lol i needed this video cus my usb c hard drive start ejecting on its own i was mad asf still am mad asf it jus started a couple days ago & i always use usb c hub smh im pissed right now

[@KevinMillard68]

glade you found the video usfull sorry to hear about your problem many people go thru the same thing unfortuntaly

[@Knechtspieler]

interesting, im a little bit scared and confused now :D I use an usb-c-hub that has 1 wire with 2x usb output (for mb pro m1). (Selore Docking Station 12 in 2 USB C Adapter) Im putting the mb-charger-cable directly in the usb-hub. Im really scared to grill my laptop :D apart from the things I didn't understand, thank you for this video!

[@KevinMillard68]

your welcome

[@klaysskipper6843]

Mine bricked just with the charger cable into the dock and I had my mouse dongle directly into the alternate type c port bc it seems to get way more range and responsiveness directly plugged into the MBA and I charged it maybe about 2 times on the dongle before it bricked apple sent a new one and let me get a 100$ credit but no word on the issue if it was electrical or software or a power rail issue

[@KevinMillard68]

why are you using a mouse with a dongle get a bluetooth mouse

[@njaggi]

My dock allows to plug in power to the hub. Will that still cook the laptop?

[@KevinMillard68]

the idea of a powered hub is so you dont blow your computers board up when plugging in alot of stuff at the same time so yes your safe

[@LaniLongGreen]

Which dock did you get?

[@JustTryGambling]

Best Buy fired me because I wouldn’t sell their shitty $100 laptops to people looking for a long term workhorse. They’d say “I need a laptop for a bachelors in engineering” or design or whatever and I would point them to a nice laptop that would last through college and have the perfect specs only for another employee to come up behind me, steal the sale, and hook them up with a celeron or pentium laptop with 2-4gb of RAM and a 256gb HDD. I also wouldn’t push their ripoff of geek squad and tech plans on people because it was garbage. The people selling shit never even knew what it was. My first day of training, they asked me to explain what all the components were and what they did, and then told me I was wrong because RAM and Hard Drive speed and size don’t matter. But somehow I’m the person at Best Buy that needs to be fired.

[@KevinMillard68]

iam a vertified PC and Apple Tech and i break up sales often at bestbuy because they sales guys are trying to push the wrong shit on people all the time same thing happens at ctire and other places i gotto where iam way to well versed in the area of tech tools and so on .. even with music stuff ...i dont have the heart to sell people junk and i hate it when others try and do it as well. its just not right..

[@cassiepottinger2473]

Thanks much for the information - do you have a email for queries or video suggestions

[@KevinMillard68]

goto my about page in youtube to sen me emails

[@iamtrazed]

I have a satechi multiport adapter v2 hub, even though I don't plug anything into this hub, it gets very hot, what the hell is wrong with this product?

[@KevinMillard68]

if its not a powered hub dont use it on your computer

[@thorhammerheadfortnite1799]

Can you help me . You are the only one that has any sense on this product. I got one just to use it to hook to my Nintendo switch so I could throw it to my big TV. It worked relly good but now seem like it won't let it go to TV or something

[@KevinMillard68]

hears the deal i work with computer gear thats made for computers this is made for computers not for nintendos i can not help you how ever you can ask the amazon seller you got it from they will be able to help maybe

[@workingtitle1455]

So it’s better to buy docks because they are powered by wall sockets?

[@KevinMillard68]

you got it

[@thomza]

Powered hubs are not convenient for every situation. If you have a long flight and want to do some video editing with an SSD and micro SD then it makes perfect sense to attach to an inexpensive non powered hub.

[@KevinMillard68]

if your only useing lower power draw and 1 item at a time then ok its can work with out harming but once you start using higher draw stuff your asking for trouble same as plugging to much stuff in on a non powered hub you ask for trouble and you will find it

[@jafar5953]

I like your prompt reply Well, I have a question that I didn't understand about your explanation. But if you're going to answer me, please use a simple language that I can translate because I'm not English. The important thing I understood from your explanation that each device has a specific amount of amps that comes out of it. And I should not reach more than what my implementer can bear because there is no imperate distributor in these pieces. Well then how can I calculate this thing? First, I have to know the amperty of my device's input. And I think it's the easiest thing to know. But the difficult thing is that I use other devices that are not famous or non-universal. So how can I know how much ampere you take? Does this depend on the accuracy of the transmission? For example, I have a screen and I want to move quickly. 4k, 30hz Or 1080p,60hz If I search for the amps consumed by this resolution from the transfer to the screen? Does that mean I'm safe now? I'm sorry for this question. I don't think it's the best question, but when I heard that the device might die because of this cat, I got scared. Because I'm not rich to buy a phone every day. By the way, I use two devices poco f4 and realme 11 pro plus. I don't know if this information will help you answer my question. I hope I didn't bother you with a lot of my words 😅❤️

[@KevinMillard68]

i have no idea what kind of amperage the screen would draw and the htz makes no difference in that how ever you need a powered up Period when plugging in more then 1 device and you still cant plug in a buch of stuff at once ,, lest say you have 4 ports on a hub and the powersupply you have is 3 amps then you get no more then 750 amps per port if all 4 are in use each port will only have 750 mha only you need 900 for type C and for Type A 3.0 to 3.2 devices tho some of these devices really need alot more then that they will run on 900 mah but if you cant feed them at least the 900 mha then the device will not be stable on the system and plugging in tomany things at once again steals more amps and if you can not give it then it cant stay stable , i guess ill need to do another video to explain this further

[@jafar5953]

@@KevinMillard68 I will be happy if you make another video and say how to be sure that your device will not get any thing bad from HUB

[@bartmuz]

so - if I use hub without plugged charger to it, It will not damage my computer?

[@KevinMillard68]

if you use a non powered hub you can damage your compuer watch the video again

[@bartmuz]

@@KevinMillard68 really? so what about this: "We will get to Apple’s BigSur late Feb 2021 11.2.2 fix for USB power computer destruction problems later in this article but for now, here is the background of the issues as of February 2021. There have been plenty of reports of MacBook M1 systems being bricked (control boards killed, no display, end of MacBook!) by using USB 3 multiport hubs and USB 3 screens that actively power the Macbook through the same USB-C connection"

[@ivanvelez7668]

I bought this dongle hub that has 3 usb ports, card reader, and hdmi port and it is by a company called u green. I used it to plug one device a usb external hard drive onto onto my newly purchased M1 pro 14" macbook pro and the damn dongle got too hot.

[@KevinMillard68]

live and learn we all do

[@thomza]

Does this also hold true for iPad Pro M2?

[@KevinMillard68]

at this point iam speaking for macbooks and pc laptops , how ever i have a hub on my M2 ipad and if you load itup to much devices drop due to lack of power and to much of a draing device atttaced will drop off as well when using hubs so over all yup goes for all of them, , you need a powered hub period

[@grahambrown42]

Surely the laptop USB-C port has a max power output in amps, and once it has reached that limit it cant give any more. So how does it cook the laptop?

[@KevinMillard68]

tyope A ports put out 500 mah and type C/thunderbolt only puts out 900 mah max

[@grahambrown42]

@@KevinMillard68 Max exactly my point. As you correctly pointed out, the unpowered hubs will share this across their output ports, so how can this 'cook' the MacBook/laptop?

[@nmiwatson9202]

@@grahambrown42 Honestly, good point. But man they really do screw up your laptop, believe it or not. My brand new Mac m1 would bug out like crazy when using those piece of shits, its perfectly fine without it being plugged in.

[@Googlieguy]

@@nmiwatson9202 is it really that bad? Im debatign on weather to geta powered hub or this anker 11 port one, but its 150 dollars more expensive, and since anker is a pretty good company I'm wondering if it will really make a big difference. How much stuff did you have plugged into the hub? Im only wondering because many people don't have problems at all

[@vijayyadav-sl7vl]

Can you suggest me a good porthub??

[@KevinMillard68]

i have a quizlab hub and i use a 3amp power supply with it for now which is boarder line but you really needa 5 amp seperate power supply for it in order to run more stuff at once but its doing the job for now wtih the 3amp power supply iam using with it what you buy for a hub depends on your needs i have different needs more then likey then you

[@PWingert1966]

I haven't been in the Source or Best buy in years.

[@KevinMillard68]

wow fun stuff

[@tomallonsmusicalcreation1111]

What about usb Hubs that are powered with proper power ?

[@KevinMillard68]

for properly powered powered hubs you'll be fine

[@tomallonsmusicalcreation1111]

@@KevinMillard68 1. what about an iPhone straight into usb c port (MacBook M1pro) while Giving tethering hotspot + sending webcam over Epocam App while it also charges it ? Is this too much for the port? (That’s the only device that isn’t power connected to my Mac ) 2. I already Had some disconnections on that port where I had to restart to get back the port availability . Is it a first sign of bricking my Mac ? 3. I’m still under warranty , she’ll I activate warranty to replace motherboard already at this stage ?

[@zzz-cb3xe]

Why this dangle usb c to hdmi from laptop to 32inch 720p tv gives me so much trouble? interference is bad

[@KevinMillard68]

first of all a tv is not a Display Monitor its a TV tho yes you can hook a computer to a tv they are more trouble then they are worht not to mention the quaility of a tv for anything text is horriable that being said what kind of problems are you have specifically

[@17cream]

Is this the same for USB A 3.2 hubs?

[@KevinMillard68]

goes for all hubs i its not powerd dont use it expecially when yo have ssd or hhd drives in use theyh drway to much power from the hubs unless they have a proper power source powering them

[@17cream]

@@KevinMillard68 makes sense. Ive read some reports that even powered hubs can present problems with feeding power back to the motherboard 😭 any recommendations for a qualityUSB c hub?

[@Paul4life]

Very smart guy, Only slightly condescending🤣

[@KevinMillard68]

thank you

[@samwilliam4276]

Instead of hubs is it safe if I use USB C to USB 3.0 adapter to transfer files from camera/phone to my MacBook air?

[@KevinMillard68]

yup no problem even i have adapters out the wazzoom

[@MandeepGadgetBoy]

My mbp 14 died after i plugged it into a usb-c charger not the magsafe

[@KevinMillard68]

so my question is why you would plug into a usb with a charger instead of the magsafe port, only the new macbooks that dont have mag safe will charge from either of the thunderbolt ports

[@lopwidth7343]

It's not like other laptop manufactures don't consider this and protects against it. You are not the issue, Apple is

[@KevinMillard68]

people are the problem when they plug to much crap.when they shouldnt

[@lopwidth7343]

@@KevinMillard68 No. it’s because you won’t understand apple’s emgineers do shit against convention on purpose

[@tarikkirat]

Bro I can not understand exactly what u mean because of my english. If I buy a 8 in 1 hub from uni or ugreen to use only hdmi and sometimes data transfer with usb 3.0 , can my M1 Air damaged even if I used it with own charger from other type c? And also you are saying hub must be powered. What does powered means? All hubs never have their own adapter to charge it. Sorry my misunderstood. My english is so bad. I think u mean, people should use hub with only a few features. If people use all sockets of the hub by the same time, the mac will be get damaged even if u didnt charge your M1 Air with hub. Or even if sockets of the hub mostly empty, it drained energy and kill M1 Air during wired. Can u explain with easy english. Btw I didnt use translator to write this sentences.

[@KevinMillard68]

what iam saying is you need to use a hub that uses its own seperate power supply to give it power for its ports because there is not enough power from the computer to run more then 1 item per port on said computer so when you use a hub that does not have its own spereate power supply to supply proper power to all the ports on it you will in time short or long blow your USB port on your computer that its pluged into unless it has its own seperate power supply

[@tarikkirat]

@@KevinMillard68 now I will buy only type c to hdmi convertor to my monitor. Then I will get a suitable dock sitation which has own power supply for my set up.

[@dionisiuskristal]

including mouse / keyboard?

[@KevinMillard68]

dont under stand your comment

[@ahmadmuhtar2399]

so...whats the conclusion?

[@KevinMillard68]

be more specific in your question

[@mximxi1069]

HDMI draws more power depending on the size of the screen 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@KevinMillard68]

this is not about HDMI Power read the titel watch again but yes HDMI Period take alot of power reguadless of screen size

[@mximxi1069]

@@KevinMillard68 13k views, say 90% dumb enough to believe what you're saying. While flapping you're some kind of guru and can only dumb it down so much. Let me dumb this down to for you, you know Jack about what you're talking about. Here let me explain M1 Macbooks shouldn't be dying because of power requests by USB devices, regardless of what the power demands are. Apple have either not followed spec ( highly likey ) or people are trying to charge via a cheap hub thats pushing 60w+ through a hub that is also not following spec, possibly resulting in hub overheating and potentisl shorting maybe voltage down a data wire. But in either case Apple decided on USB PD they should have made sure protections was in place. Then I suppose the Spec itself is getting stupid 240w PD physically so close to data 🤷🏻‍♂️ what could go wrong. in either case HDMI spec 50 to 300mA but maybe i need yo read the title

[@Itswiwo]

ahahah hilarius

[@KevinMillard68]

think what you like but its true what i have said in the video dont like it oh well ..

[@dm55]

What is "bricking an M1?"

[@KevinMillard68]

did you not pay attention to the video watch it again and listen closely

[@oroville12345]

Because Macs freaking suck that's why.

[@KevinMillard68]

macs dont suck windows sucks man you dont even have any security on a PC but macs are way over kill and any mac will out do any pc for video editing and music and many other tasks the only thing macs for now still suck at is gamming that i will say a poc is better for for now but that is also changing as we speak so hold on its going to be a hell of a ride once apple gets their crap together for gamming, and the new PC ARM systems wow they really suck for everything they can even hold up to an Apple M1 not even close but hey we all got opinions and some of us have day to day hanbds on experience with both worlds I do run mac and windows evey day

[@daytonaukpc9387]

Sorry you are simply wrong, totally.

[@KevinMillard68]

32 + years experience with being a compuer tech says iam right

[@NodSquad]

nerd

[@KevinMillard68]

ya well someone has to be so i guess iam a Nerd there are days i must admit i wish i was not so smart but then again god gave me a brain so i use it to the fullest possible in many areas,, take care

[@dosediariadecrypto3509]

Hello, I have 3 hubs from Baseus, with usb-c input connection and USB-PD power connection. At the moment I'm using 2 hubs for small devices connected to desktop computer's USB 3.0 ports via usb-a male usb-c female adapters. I need them to connect an external hd but I fear the lack of power or overload on the computer's usb-a port. At the same time, I avoid using the usb-c PD input because it feeds the input cable for laptops. There is no description of use by the manufacturer and their report in the video describes their current policy well. The manuals indicate that the hub has 2 modes of operation, powered and unpowered, even turning off the ports while transitioning. Is it possible to use the PD input to power the hub without risk of overload or power conflict on the desktop computer's usb-A port? As far as I know the computer's USB-A port is usb 3.0 protocol and it is not compatible with USB-PD. My goal is to feed only the HUB to satisfy the 4 USB 3.0 ports it has, I'll send you the model link. www.baseus.com/products/joystar-8-in-1-usb-c-hub Thanks for this video! Very good information.

[@KevinMillard68]

desk tops and laptop are not really the same thing comptley how ever i only use powered hubs on both for the simple reason that one port can now power a pile of stuff but a power hub does not use the computers power from its port only the data lines are used so you need to make sure tha the powered hub has enough amperage to supply power to all connections ponts properly other wise either way you can get into trouble

[@dosediariadecrypto3509]

@@KevinMillard68 This hub has a USB-C input that, according to the specification on the baseus website, can receive 5v 3A in addition to the higher voltage modes of the USB-PD. The output is 0.9A per port, total 4, 3.6 A total output. At the moment I only use them powered by the USB-A port of the desktop through usb-a-to-usb-c adapters, which limits me to a use of 0.9A for the 4 ports. My questions are: 1 - Is there a risk that the hub, when powered by the PD input, sends energy to the computer operating as a host in the connection? 2 - Do the desktop USB-A ports limit the output current to the 0.9 A of usb 3.0 in case of device overload?