The Reforged Failure: Sound MATTERS TOO! - WC3 - Grubby

The Reforged Failure: Sound MATTERS TOO! (Game played on 22-January-2023)
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[@NickKrige]

it still blows my mind that in two years Blizzard failed to complete a game they had already made

[@acolyte1951]

almost kinda 3 years later

[@Bluzlbee]

not only failed to complete the game, they ruined the magic features of the old one

[@mihaih3344]

don't think it's the same blizzard anymore

[@DOSsector]

Blizzard in 2002 and Blizzard in 2023 are a two different companies.

[@SkeleTonHammer]

@@DOSsector Yep, people forget most of the talent - if not all of it - is gone. Blizzard as we know it does not develop games anymore. This makes it extra annoying when people say like "don't blame the poor developers, they're just following big mean orders." No, blame the developers too. They're not good at developing games. Their work speaks for itself.

[@WhiterunGuard11998]

We need an Unforged edition where every voiceline has been dubbed over by Grubby

[@mathelgar]

I would actually love to play that

[@nikolasweischner3560]

No one ever mentions it and it drives me CRAZY. Why is the scaling of every building so unbelievably off? The barracks looks half the size. Like it's sunken into the ground.

[@thijsjong]

Necropolis is half the size of the Crypt. I mean how can you get that wrong? I dozen of interns could have put out a better product than this. I almost believe it was made worse on purpose. Its an enigma

[@Based_Witch_Hunter]

I imagine because each building was essentially designed in a void due to outsourcing and piss poor oversight by bliz

[@thukdun]

it's unbelievable that someone has ever approved this crap.

[@ajmunn1229]

Is it that much different from OG? They always looked off

[@danielbrown001]

@@ajmunn1229 Yes. In the original game, even if you had never played WC3 in your life, it was obvious which building was the “main one” due to scaling. If someone never played WC3 and started with Reforged, you’d have to manually learn which buildings were the town hall/necropolis/etc. It sounds like a small nitpick, but a game is graphically superior when you can SHOW the player something rather than TELLING them.

[@Orikon25]

Grubby doing impressions of NE death sounds awakened something in me.

[@mattkeller9806]

That high-pitched sound the arrows make when they land is a sound that’s been in movies for decades, and it’s the sound of an arrow *missing* it’s target.

[@Regunes]

If you think it's bad, wait until you check the foreign languages dub they made with underpaid timmy and his goons. Huntress looks like a dying villager from AOE2

[@Regunes]

For real tho, I miss the french voices, i can only think of like a handful of "miss", the others are either equivalent or straight up superior

[@spikem5950]

I don't understand why they touched the dubs, at all. They were fine as they were!

[@argenis9518]

They ruined spanish translation. The original ones were so good

[@Carpatouille]

I patched the game with a fanmade file to get the old French voices. New voices are completely soulless, the only people who were heard were the English who got their old voices back, but everyone else who had the game translated got their language butchered from what I heard.

[@Regunes]

@@Carpatouille Source for that file? and isn't it ban-worthy?

[@devindailey598]

i remember you being so excited about reforged before it dropped. it got me excited. its sad seeing a company outsource something that was important to a lot of people.

[@tyrayentali7041]

I think the worst part is that they made everything in this HQ gritty style, which looks great in close up perspectives but terrible in a birdview RTS like that, where it's crucial to be able to see everything clearly. It almost hurts my eyes to keep track of every single Ghoul on the ground that's camouflaged by the grass.

[@danielpopa9375]

Completely feel you. I used to play the game dubbed to spanish as a child, and I cant even do that anymore, they dont even give you access to the previous original version with the dialogues dubbing, which drives me completely crazy, they took my goddam childhood away😢

[@dawnwatching6382]

As others have pointed out before, I wish they just left the game mostly intact while adding a few more polygons to the existing models. That way they could still make nice looking skins or whatever while keeping the original theme of the game which was perfect. Great video!

[@Munchkin303]

I would like if they would just made the same hand-painted-like texture in higher resolution and added a bit of modern shaders and effects, but kept everything stylised and cartoonish as it was in the original game.

[@Chopery]

@@Munchkin303 that would be so good. And definitely would not receive 0.5 metacritic score.

[@truechecker680]

Yea the models are so bad, I had big problems to recognize what unit it is, everything looks same or near the same.

[@dr.topgun]

Surprisingly they did a great job with BroodWar Remastered by leaving everything as it was. Maybe they felt that was less important and kept it internal with qualified people to work on. But you never know with Assivision Bullshit Kong... best would be if someone rich just bought Blizzard out and gave them "GLITTERING PRIZES"!

[@Kayther33]

Have you ever saw the w3 models that they added to sc2? That were good and that is how reforged should be

[@RAFCOM1982]

Grubbys meme factory went 1000% overdrive today. 😂

[@PassengerOnTheMenu]

Reforged also has that lovely bug where menu sounds randomly play while in-game, even on classic graphics.

[@NicanorVillanueva.]

What happen with the sound is that developers push the high frecuencies up of all the voices and the effects to give the feeling of more quality but they messed up, that ended up with SSS piercing sounds and sibilances sharp and edgy sounds etc (pro musician apretiation)

[@MightyYoungSir]

yeah they tinkered with it instead of revamping it very bad for business

[@JohnSmith-vs9oe]

What I do not get is why they didn't use the HotS graphics and sounds. They look great, comparing to reforged at least...

[@maciek558]

They also butchered non english versions of the original game. Polish voice acting of 2002 was considered to be one of the best polish dubbing performances ever. It was iconic and very much appreciated among polish players. However Reforged changed many of these voices, depriving them of that "quality feel". Most of the new voice lines sound artificial and worse than the original.

[@FollowGrubby]

I think the license for that work was probably not transcending future alterations of the game, and therefore they may have had to contractually edit the voices and not use the old ones anymore. Really weird! And the new ones being bad is something I heard from German dub too, etc. basically every dub. Which means they "phoned it in", aka didn't try/didn't pay

[@Kalbonaattori]

The French voices got UTTERLY butchered as well. They were so good in the OG game. And if that wasn't bad enough, they sound like they were recorded with an iPhone 4 mic.

[@Kanc1erz]

I also hate in Polish version that they were literally translating not only names of the cities but also SURNAMES of the characters.... pathetic.

[@alexthunder2701]

The same with the Russian version. The first version of the archmage voice even become a meme in the Russian community.

[@davidseleznova3199]

@@FollowGrubby I don't think it has anything to do with licensing since the Star Craft remaster of the year 2017, had the option to use older dubs in the many languages it offered. In the Reforged Bet, before release, the original dub audio files where stored along side the new ones.

[@acolyte1951]

When grubby made the huntress dying sounds or other imitations, he sounded like an Italian or someone else making a dramatic expression lol

[@Sleepingdruid37]

Lmfao. "Oh no not the risottoOoo-ooo!"

[@kalorakalora]

Grubby doing the dying sounds gave me life

[@present077]

It sounds like the same sound effect as the original, but with a big eq spike at like 3khz applied and a high-pass filter to chop off everything below 500hz (farseer attack)

[@MightyYoungSir]

I found it sounded more electronic and like lightning on the fs attack but id be pissed to (dont play no more) if i had to deal with undistinguishable buildings and troops then i had to deal with weird sounds

[@isak098]

I thought the reforged far seer attack sound was pretty good. It sounds more electric (which makes sense), but keeps some of the "woosh" of the original. The original sound is however a bit more pleasant to listen to because it's less tinny

[@dantonkull6491]

There was no need for a remaster to Warcraft 3 to begin with. The whole failure stems at the inception that players needed the same game with better graphics (while the original was still good enough even 20 years later). They were just unable to deliver a worthy Warcraft 4 successor because they didn’t have the talents so they gave us this garbage instead.

[@markvanderwerf8592]

A remaster done well like age of empires 2 definitive edition would have been sweet. Update some outdated control things (max control group size) and vamp up the looks maybe a little. But what they did was awful instead.

[@andrzejnadgirl2029]

It's not even about talent, SC2 devs were told few years ago that Blizzard is just done with RTS games. They don't have talents because they weren't interested into hiring ones in the first place. Personally I actually liked idea of completely revamped campaign and new graphics but Blizzard just promised but didn't delivered so there is that.

[@DrownedLamp]

Also how would W4 fit in to the WoW timeline? Will the campaigns play out the same "time" as WoW. You could bypass this with time travel shenanigans but after Warlords of Draenor that might not be well received. If other companies can profit from modern RTS than Blizz might reconsider but strategy's been dead in their eyes for a bit.

[@spikem5950]

@@DrownedLamp "How would W4 fit into the WoW timeline?" It wouldn't, nor should it even try to. WoW's timeline is an absolute clusterfuck and any RTS should've taken place in an alternate timeline written for an RTS instead of an MMO.

[@Regunes]

@@spikem5950 actually wow lore is pretty good if you stop at vanilla. Still no idea why they felt we needed to go to outland first

[@phucang3746]

over 18' of Grubby "moaning", now I can die in peace...

[@MrZajoxxx]

this was soo entertaining, i am going to download this video and put it on my hdd stash for future grim days to come

[@facundomoralesdiorio3802]

Rant out of the way, this must be the day I've laughed the most this year so far, thank you Grubby :)

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450]

Someone should edit this down to "Grubby listens to women dying for 2 minutes straight"

[@christophsc]

I think it should also be mentioned that all the dubs (except English) have been completely redone. The new dubs are significantly worse than the original ones. Unfortunately, this doesn't get much attention since the big Warcraft 3 content creators are playing the english version. I would like to see the original dubs used again if there is a Reforged relaunch. I wonder why the dubs were reworked in the first place, but I think it's because all the character names have been translated into their respective languages (as is already the case in World of Warcraft).

[@Kayther33]

I have to ask, what lenguage you use? Becouse since im a kid i play it on spanish and the change of all voices, specially Arthas voices that was the best on that game was like a punch in the balls

[@christophsc]

@@Kayther33 I played the German version for many years. And in my opinion, the old German dubbing was a masterpiece. The new version is just loveless in comparison.

[@awagnow]

​@@christophscDoes it use the original sounds/voices if you play on classic or are you forced to use the new sounds?

[@christophsc]

@@awagnow I am forced to the new sounds

[@gippenrapsnak]

I dont know if you're gonna see this but about the louder "S" sounds you hear. You are absolutely right. My fine guess would be, that when they made the original WC3 they added a "De-esser" effect to the voiced sounds (with lots of other effects) to make it sound more smooth. Hence it's name, A de-esser makes high frequencies sounds quieter like "Sss". BUT it may be one of the last things they added to the sounds, and then made a seperate version in the end, which is a really common thing in production. Like a consolidated version with the De-esser. And then when they dug up the old files to create WC3 Reforged, they may have either lost the de-essed versions or just didnt bother to find and use the de-essed versions. Quite interesting nontheless what happened in that regard, it seems like a really weird mistake.

[@MightyYoungSir]

in that case i think it sounds better for electronic weapons however that is extremely lazy for them not to revamp the entire sound system and instead just fiddle with it

[@bohanxu6125]

The orb of corruption audio and video is so iconic. It's a shame they changed it. The orb from destroyer (like a crystal prism) is also very unique.. now it's just a generic magic ball.

[@andreasbrunner7268]

'its hard to describe. its just garbage' well grubby you did just perfectly describe it. :D

[@frostykeys4469]

Audio is super important. I had over 18 years of building neural pathways (quitting and coming back to the game) with their gameplay including audio triggers. They not only took away those audio triggers, some of the new ones sound grotesque and repellent.

[@kael13]

It does look like it needs a re-remaster. I'm wondering if your issue with the sounds are because they took the original files, which probably weren't recorded in the best quality to begin with, and ran some processing on them. That might explain how you hear extra sibilance on the ess sounds. The building scaling does look super weird.

[@brotusclips]

another issue with adding sounds to a long-established competitive game is the addition of sound cues that veteran players have to add to their memory banks. in most competitive games, sound cues activate muscle memories and even psychologically associating a new sound with an old memory doesn't guarantee the same consistency in reaction

[@spiritronin]

You can do slightly different voices and it still being clear though, sc2 zealots dying do have variations, but you can always tell it's a zealot, or a marine, or a zergling.

[@spikem5950]

But that's why it works in SC2 and not in WC3. In SC2 I never have issues telling if it's my Zealots or High Templar that just died from the sounds, in WC3:R I have so many issues trying to tell what died by the sound. He only showed Orc and Night Elf but I think it's even worse for Human, the new sounds for their units dying are way too similar to each other.

[@RedRamDRA]

Every time I see the Reforged graphics I cry a bit... It still hurts... Blizzard's betrayal is still the most painful for what is one of the best games ever. It hurts even more with the superb remasters other games get. It hurts EVEN MORE knowing one of those superb remasters was StarCraft 1...

[@MightyYoungSir]

same they even tried to threaten suing people for uploading replays and revolted to give peoples money back until a court order

[@salottin]

That Far Seer attack sounds like scratching glass

[@kael13]

"Uther being alive in the Upside Down" HAHAHA, ok that made me laugh.

[@user-zx6fg9lv4d]

The most unforgiveable thing is that they replaced the iconic classic Russian voiceover with some lifeless trash.

[@shacuras8201]

They also replaced the iconic German voiceover. Why go to all the effort

[@randomdude2026]

Every voice over was changed with the exception if the English one. I installed the old German voices manually, because the new ones are just so lame and the old ones are so nostalgic.

[@user-zx6fg9lv4d]

@@randomdude2026 same thing for the Russian community. Even worse that the most of the iconic voice actors are long dead, so they basically disrespected their memory

[@PresidentScrooge]

@@shacuras8201 Possibly due to contracts and rather pay some cheap people to remake it than pay more to get a new contract to the old voiceovers company

[@SmokeBloody]

I've heard they had to change it for legal reasons. They new voiceover is more accurate and closer to the original, but the old voices are much more memorable and they're imprinted in my brain, imho .

[@MEDelekates]

Imagine listening to the battle of those archers vs Thrall like 2-3h straight on a proper sound level. After that, next thing I would want to do is to eat some pills from the headache.

[@JackiePrime]

It’s nice to hear your honest breakdown of what is wrong with reforged, and just how awful it was. When it first came out you were oddly silent about it, and even seemed quite positive. I think you explained why that was so at some point, and I’m not criticising you for it. But at the time I felt like I was going crazy because it was just so abysmal. So yeah, satisfying to hear you explain everything I hated about it so eloquently.

[@AlryFireBlade]

Gameplay and Artstyle is important, but to the complete expirience belongs the sound too.

[@NominatusLP]

What ive red is that Blizzard changed the voices and sounds because the sounds from old warcraft are not in "HD" quality, so they made new one. also they wanted to enlarge the campaigne with new dialoges between the charackters (wich they never did) is also a reason for the new voices and sounds. I peosonally prefer the old one too. And another thing the tree of live from nightelf looks so small and weak in reforged. in classic it looks like a massive big tree and here is same sice like a moonwel

[@MightyYoungSir]

haha i think the lore is bigger in this one and the amount of carelessness to construct a tree on the moonwell is baffling DID I MENTION THE GRASS MATCHES THE SAME COLOR AS THE BUILDINGS?

[@jkoenig2677]

They originally added the new sounds to REGULAR wc3 tft as well. That first day when it switched over... knowing I wouldn't see that classic opening menu... with the Lich King castle... and the iron plated doors closing... its sad its all gone. LET ALONE the first game I played where everything sounded different.

[@planetary-rendez-vous]

In 2002 I thought it was cool that units had the same death sound, like they were a big family. It was iconic. Yeah no reason to change the death sound...

[@Huntertmk9]

Someone please clip Grubby making all the dying noises and make it into a remix.

[@garn100]

ChatGPT GO!!!

[@Coilla94]

I am so glad you mention that. WC3 was one of my first real games that I played with my best friend and it became so nostalgic every time we played it, especially the more years past. In the german version of the game they reworked every voice-line of every unit. All those inside jokes me and my friends had with these goofy voice-lines like "they came from...behiiind" were completely ruined with new voices that all sounded dull and boring. I now only play the game in english so I dont have to ruin my nostalgia everytime I start the game.

[@fructu7]

I am Glad to find this Channel, Back in the day I played a lot to wc3 then I switched to sc2 but I always missed wc3, is great to see Grubby still playing this :) I remember to watch replays from "wc3replays" webpage, an a lot of different patches for ex. I remember games where Grubby playing with orcs put the FS behind the mine with all entries blocked by units to try to survive the harass of a buffed warden complete impossible to stop, can you imaging the only thing an orc could do was just to be inside of his town for quite a long time... would the original game still working? or I would need the Reforged? younger people watching this game nowadays: Can you tolerate the graphics? for me are great but I guess is because it is something sentimental :) There are still people playing the original ROC? it was quite different to TFT different rules and strategies.

[@spoon_bomb]

The animation of improved ziggourats isn't looping, it resets every X seconds. I bet you don't notice it easily with normal time speed, but here in fast mode you see it so clearly !

[@Trods911]

11:40 Tyrande bath water :^)

[@furkankaplan2204]

When restoring an old building, would you build it differently from its original state? Thank you. It is redesign everything not restoring.

[@davidseidler7518]

That's funny with the 's' sounding loud. In audio engineering there are plugins for exactly that, called de essers. Thanks for the thorough comparison, lol, didn't know there's so many differences.

[@kylebremer1557]

Watching your videos for the last 2 weeks has got me so keen to play WC3 again. Are there any match making servers for the OG WC3 still? Or to PVP do you need to get Reforged at this point?

[@FollowGrubby]

PVP need reforged, they shut down the old servers and game xdd

[@Ar1AnX1x]

I used to watch replays of tournaments back in early two thousands and Grubby was easily one of the best, I didn't even knew what he looks like back then so when I found his youtube channel I was blown away that he's still playing W3 that's how good and well-made this game is and its disgusting what Blizzard Executives did to this game, they're literally acting like money-grubbing goblins.

[@lootasisew]

Someone hire this man for quality control of an RTS already. He clearly has the ability and the know how to articulate the issue and the forethought and passion to build something of high quality. He also understands that the employee themselves aren't the issue - it's the oversight, approval, and pace of the project that was the issue. Very intelligent and empathetic approach to the problem. Not just complaining to complain.

[@pistovster]

Because if you check back in the days, actually building and units are actual painting from real life, now days most stuff are done via computer, no actual going and draw.paint it then import it into the game, very expensive method, but real good visiual. Thats why old stuff looks so nice in terms of color and visualization

[@FIREBALLINbg]

I just saw you imitating a huntress dying and I swear I'd buy WC3 remake with every sound voiced by you!

[@facundomoralesdiorio3802]

It's so frustrating because we clearly know what the game is lacking, we have our wish list of things we wanted and yet somehow Blizzard did everything but what we wanted. They said they didn't want "pixar" graphics but it turns out, in a RTS game with many units those detailed new models go against the visual clarity of the game. Same thing with death sounds, we've been hearing these units die for years and suddenly they changed the sounds for god knows why. If there was a rock solid aspect in W3 it was AUDIO. It was the thing that was not to be reforged, it was already good. We only needed reforged graphics and reconnect (a more powerful map editor too) but no, we got nothing. It's like asking for a glass of water and getting it at boiling temperature.

[@streetguru9350]

The craziest part is that they spent money making reforged graphics. Also we definitely need to see you interview Designer Dave

[@MrTnt6666]

We love old WC3 for all it is. Just its total complite at all aspects. Everything are perfect

[@ogar0]

i think if they improved on the technical side of connectivity and implementing reconnecting into the game, maybe some changes to how graphics are handled (resolution etc) and the game would perfect as is. But no, they had to ruin it completely

[@tabumain629]

I remember the first thing I noticed was that there was one new death sound for the grunt that sounded weirdly similar to the death knight death sound, and I never got used to the sound either edit: For anyone that is interested / can be bothered, go into the editor and listen to GruntDeath3 and after that the DK death sound, for me the first second sounds like the same sound but pitched down

[@CheckmateStallioN]

I got my refund on the 2nd day after launch lol. Did they fix alot of the stuff 2 years later? In other words is it in a much better state now to warrant a purchase? Did they also fix the performance and stutter issues that was horrible at launch?

[@Broockle]

I actually have some trouble telling the BladeMaster apart from the Grunts. The OG Blademaster is unmistakable with his giant bulky katana cleaver 😆

[@davidglendaleardenaso8735]

the facefx is also broken like if you make a custom unit clone and give the clone a different voice, the original unit has no more lip sync

[@potenviking]

It was so weird that they had a perfect example of job well done - the SC Remastered - they constantly communicated with pros, had a good standing in the community and so on - and they managed to completely avoid the good practices followed in the SC remaster and create this visual chaos. The most important thing - visual clarity - being able to recognize a character immediately when seeing them, its wrong in this reforged. That bugs me so much when I'm looking at it, its unreal.

[@warriortakemikazuchi3222]

*AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH I CAN'T HANDLE GRUBBY MOANING*

[@FabulousBroccoli]

Even though I do not work in anything sound related, I have some words for that Far Seer attack sound; at least to me personally, it sounds a bit like nails on a chalkboard, but dragged really fast. Ouchies.

[@freehatespeech6804]

To be fair, marines in StarCraft have three different death sound variants. Firebats also have variations.

[@remipennel121]

0:53 I think that has to do with the audio file compression, the "new" sounds that the game uses when you switch "Reforged Mode" on are a different file type than the original files from 2002.

[@SgtBrutalisk]

The Reforged Huntress death sound also has a lingering jangle of the glaive falling to the ground.

[@Sleepingdruid37]

Thank you for imitating the death cries XD

[@Manu_Saga]

Isn't that Thrall Farseer's attack sound taken from Heretic/Hexen?

[@olivertunberg]

Dude you are great!

[@fishyperil2153]

I'm watching the start of the video, thinking "yeah reforged sucks but some of these things are totally nitpicks and so hard to notice" and then at 1:15 a literal SHREK walks in from the left side of the screen LMAO

[@marcinkopacz4756]

TBF sound of dead 2 huntresses was almost the same, it would be clear that is THIS unit but the biggest problem is, dead sound of archers was made by same actor so it was just the same :P

[@arnyfox436]

Спасибо что разбираешься с технической частью ,обрати пожалуйста внимание на главное меню оно грузит мой старенький процессор почти на 100%, одно только главное меню !!! Хотя я комфортно играю в lol и дота 2. Мог бы ты разобраться с этим вопросом?

[@Multifire]

units are so hard to see in reforged, they dont pop like they are supposed to.

[@Latinomicz]

I needed this video. I've been deep diving into all your videos lately and wondered why the hell you're not playing with Reforged graphics. Granted, I think they suck too, but I really wanted to know. I think this video covers that. Thank you, lol. EDIT- Is that Witcher 3 music at 9:05 ?? 😻

[@StriKe_jk]

Actually it might actually be the same sound it was sourced from. Old soundfiles have less frequency and bit depths. This makes them smaller in size and also much faster and easier to compute so very important for performance on the old hardware back then. This however comes at the cost of cutting out the extremes in a sound (high and low frequency sounds). So high pitched sounds are filtered out. Now with the higher quality soundfiles from reforged, who are more true to the source, they may actually provide high pitched noise that was filtered out before. Ofc that is something a sound engineer has to look out for. Edit: forgot to mention I am talking about that pitched noise on the far seer's attacks

[@bundleofhumble3119]

The thumbnail makes Frozen Throne look like reforged and reforged as the classic 😄

[@trusiight3558]

i think the issue with the new sounds is the equalizer used to treat the high frequencies, i think there is something wrong with EQ used on the high frequencies " you can hear that in the arrow sound or the S sounds or the farseer basic attack ", maybe because old audio production used to be "warm" meaning that there was less emphasize on the high end of the frequency spectrum than what we hear nowadays. however, i agree that the sounds are sharper, thats why they are annoying to hear.

[@tylerc3371]

I think grubby should’ve been the voice actor for reforged!! Those huntress death sounds were classic!!!

[@Mancubus45]

Grubby goes to all this effort to play all these sounds side by side noting the subtle and not so subtle differences... then at the end fan of knives is just missing. LOL.

[@williamfalck4882]

Agree on all of this. With Starcraft 2 they already had different sounds when, for example, Marines died. It was already in the game and fairly easy to recognize but you can pretty hear just by the sound what type of unit died in Warcraft 3, Night Elf, Human, even a random creep. And the spacing between buildings in Reforged is just horrible. Playing certain maze maps in reforged is a headache as you can't really tell if certain buildings are wall to wall or not. Not to mention the graphics looking like something out of an Age of Wonders ORPG.

[@spikem5950]

Actually, in Starcraft 2 you can *tell* what units died still. The death sounds are similar enough that you can discern whether it's a Marine or Marauder that just died, whether it's a Zergling or Roach or Hydralisk that just died, and whether it was just a Zealot or High Templar that just died. You can hear five different death sounds as Protoss and still be able to tell "three Zealots and two High Templar just died" without looking. It's only the larger mechanical units that don't have very distinct audio queues but like, they're so damn big with such a large explosion you'll see it easily.

[@8Kit]

6:30 Grubby: That i support greatly! Thrall: *Nods*

[@icecrown7324]

Played it for the first time around 2007 besides LAN the story will never be the same the buildup was great

[@FollowSteveJPN]

The ghouls sound like murlocs when they die 3:47

[@Vahe345]

Grubby made the archer shooting sound pretty good lool

[@StormKnight1]

It goes back to what's practically effective vs what's realistic. in quick action or RTS games, having quick and sharp sounds is good to keep things stable, so the deeper and more realistic sounds go to slower games (in comparison to) which is nice. Also something about the visuals, this may be an interesting critique that i'm about to write, when watching Sc2, Heros of the Storm, Command and Conquer or War3 on youtube, i dont really mind watching on 480p because of my data cap. but i can't watch Reforged with anything lower than 1080-60fps otherwise i'll puke. and even then it has the wealth of critiques that others stated more than me.

[@nomercy8989]

I'm so glad I have an old box with Warcraft 3 TFT. Shame I've not had a DVD drive for 10 years haha

[@mihailovasic6567]

They need to revert all the audio changes

[@marcom8928]

14:21 I was there 3000 years ago, when the strength of Blizzard failed...

[@ChonkyBoi_yt]

is that Witcher 3 music in the background?

[@slayeralmighty]

So the ssssSSss sound that is more pronounced on the acolytes is what is referred to as sibilance. It seems like they tried to upscale the quality of the existing audio sfx and lines, but didn't necessarily do a reference check to make sure that their updates sounded good on all types of sound systems. Either that or they got someone to do it who doesn't know what they are doing.

[@boshman11]

HoMM OST in the background ❤ Reforged sound in the foreground 💔

[@BotRetro]

Regarding brood war unit death sounds - marines and firebats use varying death sounds. Sounds don't need be exactly the same every time to be easily recognizable

[@ogar0]

looking at it around 2:20 makes it like they drew inspiration from league of legends, the color pallete and all

[@spikem5950]

Gods you're right, now I know why I hate it so much.

[@el_pepe_1500]

the imitations were on point

[@rearnakedguy1501]

The nee archers sound like a ghost when they die. Long death sound

[@matinomates7354]

Now i want to say , YES sound Matters ! And i remember all that great Voice ,Dabing to Czech language ! I am From Slovakia ,but our Languages are similiar and we can understand to each other. We miss it to. I remember times with my friends we had fun with that so much at school ! :D And now, these sounds completely dissapear.

[@pldcanfly]

It's such a shame to revisit but it so much reflects how the company has changed. Classic was from people who loved games, and epic stories, that made games for fellow gamers. Current Blizzard is just a few suits that look for the best way to make an extra buck. I sometimes miss the olden times when gaming was a niche and you mostly had people making games for the sake of making games and become famous for being a visionary that pushed the boundries. So many games these days feel like an elaborate shoppingcart with the least amout of effort poured in to make them something one could call a game. And even if WC3:Reforged didn't have microtransactions attached, it still felt like a quick cahsgrab.

[@truechecker680]

Its probably was the meaning of it: Reforge old classic for lowest money possible and make huge bucks from sells. This is their classic approach last 15 years from World of Warcraft, but its not working for old gamers from W3.

[@alpe6228]

One cannot unhear the bow sound LOL.

[@dzbanke.]

Oh god, the memes that are going to come out as a result of this video... 👌