Death of a Game: Warcraft III Reforged

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

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[@thetruestar6348]

Soon WoW will be on this list at the rate it’s going

[@Weigazod]

Back in 2018 when they announce Reforged will be released in 2019, i have already suspected it is a rushed product. For all the thing they promised at that time, 2021 is a more realistic release day because let be honest RTS games are not trash that you can sh*t out like COD games (making some minor changes, add a story and call it a game). When they announced the 1 month delay, it was even more suspicious because i remember No Man's sky and all the bad games before with its release being delayed with 1 month or 2 months. One or 2 months delay is actually just shareholder talk because I know if a game development was to ever need extra time, it's because the dev team was pressure by higher up for shareholder's sake and Director's bonus well-being not because it was for the sake of gamers.

[@TisTheWay]

Damn you made it. The game that destroyed my fav game :(

[@TisTheWay]

Watching threw this and Helms Deep & Wintermaul were my favs!

[@briankeys5941]

also pirating... DUH. plus old school private servers with modding.

[@jassboom]

The best part about blizzard losing dota is that icefrog came to them first, with only two conditions. 1, icefrog had final say in balance changes and 2, that all heroes would be free. He was essentially laughed outta the building. This was in 2009.

[@kazekamiha]

Whoops.

[@Nuvizzle]

And instead of taking that as a lesson and learning from it they just acted spiteful and continued to make the same mistakes. Modern day Activision-Blizzard is a joke.

[@kazekamiha]

@@Nuvizzle They're a joke? Then why aren't I laughing?

[@telefeeb1]

@@kazekamiha you’re not the audience of the joke. I can hear Rob Kostich (activision president) laughing from here

[@Masonicon]

2009 is the year after blizzard merged with activison

[@crossbones116]

It's truly impressive how Blizzard botched a surefire thing like a Warcraft 3 remaster.

[@ElemXCR]

right? the whole thing just needed a refreshener. It wasn't even new. It's like coating a building rather than building it from the ground up.

[@tylerhill40]

Blizzard itself is botched.

[@DirtCheapFU]

It wouldnt have worked out even everything panned out correctly.

[@1un4cy]

All they had to do was take the TLC and improvements of Starcraft 2 and add it back into WC3

[@elinfini]

"A-Blizzard botched a sure-fire" /rimshot

[@ljubisaavakumovic2835]

Back when I was a kid, and played Frozen Throne and WoW, my dream was to one day become developer and work for Blizzard on these games. How all that changed... Years later, I finished university and become a game developer! Worked for few smaller companies first, learned a lot, progressed. You just explained how much Blizzard changed in that time... Few days ago I got contacted by a recruiter who wanted me to join their company which actually belongs to Activision Blizzard. My response was "if you want people to join you, don't tell them you belong to Activision Blizzard". It hurt me to say this, because it was a death of a dream for me... Truth is the truth, no matter how painful. This is "the pill" I had to swallow, both as a gamer, and game developer. Thank you nerdSlayer for this video, at least it gave some closure.

[@Crimson_Edelweiss]

Не знам шта ове компаније тјера да постану јебени монголоиди.

[@ljubisaavakumovic2835]

@@Crimson_Edelweiss Pare. Kako sto brze zaraditi sto vise para. Nema veze sta ce biti za par godina.

[@Crimson_Edelweiss]

@@ljubisaavakumovic2835 Али опет не схватам, овако су изгубили милионе муштерија које су се забезекнуте масакром ове игрице, а да не причамо потенцијалне муштерије

[@hiruharii]

@@Crimson_Edelweiss I like how mongoloids is translated perfectly

[@NinjaTyler]

Well maybe good news as Microsoft bought them and is rumored to clean house of the horrible people ruining both companies

[@Auristmusic]

Not a lot of these manage to effectively kill 2 games at once. Not only killing the easiest RTS remaster you could think of but killing a game that has maintained a solid userbase for 15+ years as well. What a power move.

[@MattHatter360]

They are trying to get a triple kill with WoW now

[@Smokie1523]

@@MattHatter360 you seen the numbers? Id say they HAVE gotten the triple kill with wow... at this point, everyone who still cares is hoping for a resurrection. To me, that means something is already dead..

[@randomname9723]

wc3 is so good it isn't even dead yet after Blizzard has done their damnest to kill it.

[@pl3459]

Yeah, the Blizzard of old is dead, now it's just full of weird dbags who just want to hire pretty women to grope and get drunk.

[@mickbotcast]

Warcraft is an extremely success title with fanbase and establish lore. Current Blizzard have great rare talent by manage to bring the title down to its knee. What a bunch of clown... they should just turn themselves into a fruit

[@ZergrushEddie]

The false advertising is what really got me. "We are updating all the cinematics and making the game you loved 20 years ago a better experience, pre-order now!" and then not even delivering on the additional cinematics and forcing people with the old version to update to the new version? That seems shockingly close to illegality.

[@Drain_Life_Archive]

The store page still had false promises on it after the game was released. They couldn't be bothered to update the website. It stayed this way until they were being threatened with lawsuits. THEN they updated the store page. They also mass issued refunds to anyone that hit the button, even if you already completed the game. That's how they avoided the lawsuits.

[@taylorcorbett8848]

They made one new cinematic lmao, and I'm convinced I could have done it better by myself

[@Drain_Life_Archive]

@@taylorcorbett8848 Someone already did that for the entire campaign, and it looked better than Blizzard's version which only did 1 mission.

[@Fion355]

@@Drain_Life_Archive The website with the trailer showing all the stuff we didnt got was availiable like 2-3 WEEKS after release. And then they had the gall to say "We never specificly promised such things! Its all your (community) fault that you expected such thing after we showed you this!"

[@mickbotcast]

They should just get sue for misleading scam advertisement

[@monsieursp00ky44]

Piracy is literally the only way to play the good WC3 now sad

[@f34r0r]

Piracy is the only way to live in this wicked world

[@rogerandersen7046]

What do you mean, just play with classic graphics, I played the whole campaign on it and did not encounter a single bug.

[@Nightmare2077]

@@rogerandersen7046 I'm a mod-maker and I've spent about one thousand hours making an awesome custom campaign for WC3. Would you like to play it? Oh wait, you can't - custom campaigns are missing (see 19:00). PS: It's extremely sad that nerdSlayer didn't make this point himself. Literally hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of work-hours were spent on custom campaigns by thousands of modders. All this just annulled.

[@sgtspring3663]

I dont have the Blizzard Launcher and got a CD of Wc 3 and Throzen Throne. I can still play on that disc.

[@coolchilion722]

@@rogerandersen7046 wait you didn't encounter a single bug? Wow that must mean everyone had the same experience as you because you apparently think that since you didn't have issues, everyone saying bad things about it must be utter liars.

[@CamperCarl00]

*"Your father ruled this land for 70 years, and you've ground it to dust in a matter of days."*

[@mark_uno1407]

Bruh Moment

[@cattrucker8257]

The fact that people could, and did, accurately react to the situation using Warcraft 3's own in-game quotes was what made this trainwreck gold for me.

[@bsherman8236]

"This entire company must be purged" -Arthas

[@МихаилСтупин-л5м]

ActiBlizz:"Very...dramatic,old fans.Give me your vanilla Warcraft III & I'll make sure your suffering ends quickly." Fanbase:"Vanilla WCIII made you what you are,Blizzard!What-are you going to piss on it one last time before you leave this franchise to rot?" ActiBlizz:" *chuckle* I didn't know you still cared so much about it. Nor does it matter.I'll do what I came for,one way or another. *proceeds to "update" vanilla* " Fanbase:" *watches vanilla get ruined* ...We dearly hope there is a special place in hell waiting for you,Blizzard!" ActiBlizz:"We may never know. *I intend to live forever.* "

[@Sarkkoth]

@@МихаилСтупин-л5м Dammit I just typed something like this and you beat me to it lol.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

"We're sorry to those of you who didn't have the experience you wanted." is _not_ an apology. It's expressing sympathy. They didn't even apologize for the experience being poor. It's them saying that some of our expectations were too high, despite the hype that they put out. It's them using "experience you *wanted* ", instead of using words like expected or deserved or anything that holds them up to a standard.

[@Ergeniz]

It is not even sympathy. Merely condescending corporate babble that they believe will mollify the consumers. Bullshit china debacle all over again. "We're sorry for nebulous reasons (WHAT REASONS), we will try to do better (DO BETTER REGARDING WHAT). ...Oh yeah, check out the new games coming out! Overwatch 2! Diablo! Hype! Consume! Yaaaaaaay".

[@lukebytes5366]

They pulled that same bullshit when they kicked a protester from a tournament. "Were sorry you feel that way" is not an apology.

[@HighQualityLeftover]

they never admit mistake. this must be some sort of hard company policy, because it is ridiculous what they do to avoid it literally anywhere

[@Drain_Life_Archive]

Blizzard loves non-apologies, which are corporate drivel made to look like an apology but does nothing of the sort. It's just meaningless words.

[@R3dm3talHdZ]

Its activision-blizzard no? They are too high over there heads in Dough 💵 to care about the consumer.

[@Arcademan09]

'How to make a good remake' Step 1: Don't piss off the fans Blizzard: *WHOA THIS IS HARD*

[@KroryykDB]

It's like that meme with the guy panicking over which button to push, button 1: please the fans, make the game good, button 2: piss off the fans and ruin a classic game lol as he violently pushes button 2.

[@Arcademan09]

@@philiproler5572 and yet Blizzard happily let them take over instead of fighting back. How come the Blizzard staff didn't stand up to this? According to the reports this was going on for years, possibly before the Activision buyout

[@aislingyngaio]

@@Arcademan09 It was Blizzard's then parent company Vivendi that decided to merge with Activision way back when. As a subsidiary aka child company, Blizzard had zero say in the merge.

[@theforsaken1466]

Well that IS actually hard for companies.

[@BlackWolf207]

To be fair, that probably is the hardest part for most companies. God forbid you decide to remake someone’s beloved video game/movie/tv show/etc, it seems you just piss off every fan because it’s impossible to please them.

[@yendayo]

It's not just Reforged but they also deliberately kill the original version as well.

[@Kacpa2]

Exactly. I just wish we just had a faithful remaster instead. Then we would have none of these issues and game would be intact.

[@drowningin]

Yup. Piracy is the only way to play the original. I'm not sure about multiplayer & mods. The base game though piracy is only option. How can they ruin something so bad? I wish they would at least undo what they did to original. Is there no way to class action lawsuit? I don't remember a ToS except for battlenet. Could be wrong, but if there was no ToS except for online they violated laws by making games people bought unplayable

[@Kacpa2]

@@drowningin By not giving a single fuck about the game. Even then art lead was a disrespectful and mocking cuck... and ones who cared were not in power and couldnt do much

[@bsherman8236]

I think they needed a reason to cheap out the servers, old one wasn't making enough money.

[@Kacpa2]

@@bsherman8236 Not really SC:R is doing fine completely intact on bnet 2.0. Reign of vhaos actually didnt even use a separate server form TFT. They were just to lazy to not ruin its balance by accident every time they done balance changes so they disaled battlenet access for it in 2019. It pretty much shown disregard and lack of care that whole game would receive later

[@dnighthawk204241]

"We want an esports scene, but we're not including a ranked ladder at launch" seems to be a running theme among games on this series. I'm shocked that it's such a common mistake.

[@PokeBattlerJaze]

“Mistake” Let’s be real here, it isn’t a mistake, it’s the people at the top wanting to put forth the least amount of money possible to make the most amount of profit

[@sudonim7367]

😂1;

[@bsherman8236]

@@PokeBattlerJaze don't be a bigot bro, they need to cash out that 100 million bonus somehow

[@TYR1139]

@@bsherman8236 10, cause 90 of those are to the poor CEO

[@bsherman8236]

@@TYR1139 poor guy just grinding his retirement

[@WaaDjooNoBoutDa]

IGN scoring it a 7/10 is by far the best thing out of this whole story. There's a reason they are a joke as reviewers and they keep proving it to us !

[@Ealsante]

"When we opened the exe, it drove my colleague mad. She murdered three other colleagues and ate our manager before exploding in a hideous mess of gore. 6/10."

[@larrychilders6599]

They are the equivalent of piss

[@MrAskmannen]

IGN scores 90% of games a 7 or an 8

[@XpVersusVista]

@@MrAskmannen more like 95% as a 9, so getting a 7 from IGN is like getting bashed in the face with a baseball bat.

[@fonesrphunny7242]

Some years ago 2/3 of the rating was just technicalities. If your game looked good, sounded good and had no crippling problems, you would get a 60 - 70% rating. It's probably still similar today, because it basically ensures better ratings, which makes the game devs/publishers happy, which ensures favorable deals in the future.

[@MegaCygnusX1]

25:42 "Patch Notes: Naga units now have footprints" . That's right! *Snake people with no legs apparently still leave footprints.* This pretty much says it all.

[@DmytroBogdan]

Tailprint? :)

[@saxxonpike]

@@DmytroBogdan slitherprints!

[@Lichelf]

Footprints just refers to all to all trails left behind by units. Naga "footprints" are actually tailprints. But they were missing at launch for some fucking reason.

[@DGraze]

Imagine being devs of the game, and listing patch of A F*ing footprint, even when their game are bombarded with all the shit.

[@DmytroBogdan]

@@Lichelf we get it but wanted to point out the magnitude of problem. Imagine a house sinking underground but the inspection writing in report than home is missing a welcome mat.

[@RegealDonn]

"I prefer to remember the temple as it used to be, not the abomination it has become." Akama, Black Temple (2011)

[@LyneaSilver]

2011? Just a little bit off with that date...

[@MrAdamske]

*2007

[@3Guys1Video]

:0

[@brozejn]

Never seen a better reason to pirate a game. Get an old build, get some "lan over internet" client going. Get the gang together and play custom games for days :D

[@KingKrouch]

Some good ole’ canned bread

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

It's still true today, but it was even more so back then: the pirates had the best versions, even if you owned the game. They performed better due to no DRM and loaded and played faster due to not connecting to servers and/or CDROM hacks steaming content from the hard drive instead.

[@sandert8901]

yes but reforged isnt cracked, classic version is though

[@TheOppaiLord]

@@S4pp don't, if you do connect, your game will be "updated" and you'll be locked out of the classic version, and be restricted in your new version because you don't have reforged.

[@S4pp]

@@TheOppaiLord oh I see

[@Colancio]

A clear example of what happens when the passion for games is exchanged for passion for money

[@lookingforsomething]

Capitalism:(

[@nazgul0ne]

Oh yeah and they forced to stream the "reforged" game. This often resulted in crashes during official tournaments. I remember there was a game between same 2 people restarted 2-3 times until they reversed to old gfx. Truly a blizzard experience

[@UserShadow7989]

My “favorite” detail of this debacle is that some features in the original were removed from that version and locked to Reforged only. One such feature? Shadows. Yes, shadows. They removed shadows and paywalled them behind buying the new one. It’s such a petty slap on the face for no reason- who the hell would buy the new version when they already owned the original just for *2 dimensional black blobs*?

[@EskChan19]

To be fair it doesn't REALLY count as "paywalled" since everyone who had the original game got a free "Upgrade" to the new version. So everyone who had that feature before, didn't have to pay any money to get it back. Just play the shittier version of the game instead.

[@Zinemay]

There is a thing about russian voice acting in old WC3. It was very different from original english version, but it was unbelievably cool. All actors done their best and gave their souls to characters they voiced. Especially Arthas, who was voices by Vladimir Vihrov. Just awesome. And when we heard their new russian voice-acting in reforged... We were pissed off. Untalented, lazy and so dull... On that stage lots of russian players understood, that this company gives no sh*t about their fans in different countries.

[@FexxarTV]

Same thing for Polish voices

[@lvsoad22]

Don’t worry they don’t care about us in their own country either

[@jacky9575]

@@lvsoad22 They don't even care about their own workers

[@vanyaliveshere]

Gosh, so true. I remember comedy shows making sketches around those voices. Such good voice acting it had! update: here is the link, it's ridiculous kzbin.info/www/bejne/d53Ulnabh9SDh6s

[@Zinemay]

@@vanyaliveshere Вечная классика и ностальгия. Эх.

[@gaborb.2926]

Guys.... There is a positive note to the story. on numerous repositories over the internet there are Saves of the 1.31 ptr build. Its basically a classical warcraft3 that supports custom games,campaigns has original lan capabilities but its widescreen and has the latest pre reforged balance. And because it was a test build its technically legal to download and play it (provided you got original war3 keys to activate it). If you like War3 download it and share it.

[@kardoxfabricanus7590]

Please if you're willing to spend the time give full instructions on how to do it, step by step guides as well as avoiding updating the game by accident or automatically etc. It would help me a lot cause i plan on reviving the original lawsuits be damned cause i am planning on something fantastic.

[@msgasmdc107]

Could you perhaps give a hint on where to find this download? I'd love to get back into WCIII after all these years but I can't possibly support Reforged

[@akifaiman7388]

Yeah you kinda can get one from hive, they archived other old build before this mess of a game

[@Thrakus]

Copyright law lets you have a backup if you have a master copy meaning Warcraft 3 cd key. The backup copy can be modded changed for a diff OS. So it is legal. I love this law but there is talk of getting rid of it :( As you can not sell used pc game but you can buy get crack play del sell new.

[@anthonymendez4294]

@@kardoxfabricanus7590 to avoid updating the old build. DO NOT LOG ON TO BATTLENET or it will update. And you'll need to rever the patch again

[@DarkKnight-ik7ph]

in a way bilzard's story is almost exactly the story of Arthas. Bilzard was once a good company adored and loved by everyone with limitless potential. Then they accepted the dark power of activision and in so doing gained more powwr but lost who they were. They became a haloo shell of themselves betrayed everyone they cared for and now sit atop there empty place while those who once loved it either now hate it for it's betrayal or wait for it's redemption that they hope for but know it will likely never come

[@leojamesquiambao1047]

"No king rules forever" How ironic

[@LagoonKnight]

​@@leojamesquiambao1047That line is deep knowing who was the creator Chris Metzen and Thrall's voice actor. Its like he knew, and when he left the company's ongoings, it was a sad day.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

You're wrong about the Activision merger date. In 2008, Vivendi (who had owned Blizzard for over a decade) bought Activision and merged it with Vivendi games to create Activision Blizzard. But Vivendi still controlled it until 2013, when Kotick and others bought out Vivendi's shares in the company, removing them from ownership. 2013 is when Kotick fully took control. From 2008-2013 the ownership was the same (Vivendi), only the name changed.

[@BuffoFesss]

So basically is like Vivendi ate a rotten piece of meat containing a zombie virus that took control of the host

[@EskChan19]

Then Vivendi and Blizzard were already rotten to the core before Activision took hold. Never forget Diablo 3. Game balanced and build around a mandatory real money auction house for items, with a droptable carefully crafted to make it so you only got stuff you couldn't use to be forced to sell that on the auction house and buy stuff for your class instead. That was in 2011.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

@@EskChan19 Yes and no. While Activision didn't get full control until 2013, Bobby Kotick had some input on the direction of the company as far back as 2008, when Vivendi merged Activision into Vivendi Games (creating Activision Blizzard). 2013 was when Kotick bought out Vivendi's share of the company, giving himself 100% control.

[@KayossSZ]

It's legitimately depressing to think about far Blizzard has fallen, when their games have been such a big part of your life.

[@scorchedamber]

It is. Me, i actively boycott Activision

[@whatshisface04]

I used to be able to confidently say that if Blizzard was making a game, it would be high quality and I was going to love it. Sadly, that’s not the case anymore.

[@hazardeur]

@@scorchedamber and so do i with great satisfaction

[@hazardeur]

@@yellowcard8100 at least they admit it and gonna do better. they had one real fuckup, that's it. Bethesda is far superior in terms of being an awesome game company

[@hazardeur]

@@yellowcard8100 well, yeah, you got some points there. let's say "awesome compared to Activision" lol. I do have to say though that ESO being dissapointing was certainly the case but it also had a sky high expectations. I still thought it was a great game upon release and had tons of fun. Certainly not a fuck up when compared to what Acti shits out on a typical release

[@Kallikukurinn]

Dude, I loved playing custom maps. I loved the Helms Deep custom map. I also played a lot of Azeroth Wars and DaoW. I was always skeptical about Reforged, but I told myself "at least I was always have the classic game. There is no way they would touch that". Then they sowed the two games together in true Frankenstein fashion. I was fucking livid as fuck. However, thanks to people online, I realized I could just reinstall the game using my disc and then I manually updated to the last safe update (1.27b) before Activision takes over and forces you to download Reforged.

[@desolate2703]

I'm happy I saw this comment, definitely trying this out on my disk.

[@KyrieFortune]

Will look for an original disk and 1.27b update to support the community without supporting the rotting mess that is ActiBliz (or I guess MicroActiBliz now)

[@KyrieFortune]

Will look for an original disk and 1.27b update to support the community without supporting the rotting mess that is ActiBliz (or I guess MicroActiBliz now)

[@dj_koen1265]

you can also pirate the game Its what i did back in 2018

[@6StimuL84]

Exactly what I did, screw their greed and backstabbing.....

[@demilung]

The real twist of the knife for me was the fact that they changed the voice acting. Including the Russian dub which is so iconic for the entire Russian-speaking internet community, being memes before memes. And they not only changed voice actors and some translation choices but also removed a bunch of jokes and changed the lines to be less "risque". That had nothing to do with "modernizing" the game or pro scene.

[@robertlupa8273]

Same with the Polish dub.

[@DrRhyhm]

Sadly that has nothing to do with the failure of the developement but the political era of the US.

[@prussiangermansoldier2987]

What jokes did they remove?

[@demilung]

@@prussiangermansoldier2987 There could be a huge list, but what I remember, Sorceress use to flirt with the player, they cut the punchline from the Priest's joke because it was about alcohol, Bat Rider had political a joke about visiting those who didn't believe in democracy implying air strikes, Dryad had a joke about luring enemies into forest by mimicking the voice of a lonely human female and so on.

[@prussiangermansoldier2987]

@@demilung Why even remove the none sexual ones?

[@iRiDiKi]

The fans honestly weren't that vocal about story changes. That was 100% an excuse from Blizzard to cover up for their mistakes.

[@arachnofiend2859]

Plenty of people in my circles were horrified by the possibility that the modern WOW writers would get their claws around WC3's story. Maybe that was more of a Horde concern.

[@sciii3380]

It needed to be done, but this Death of a Game might be one of the most significant and devastating to behold.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

It also marks my transition towards "fuck these corporations ruining my favorite games". I don't have any love left for them tbh.

[@Conjurus77]

If you check Twitch almost no one is playing with Reforged graphics, I still play custom games at times and there are still awesome developers who are working for classic graphics. I mean, you're forced to download like 30gbs of a assets you won't use. Many good friends with potatoes pc stopped playing or just went to private servers or even tried out Netease, do you know that that's? Is a chinese client for classic WC3 wich let's you customize your hud and observe games being played live. It's impressive how fans are keeping this game alive

[@Booklat1]

it's like still depending on garena in 2021

[@randomname9723]

and WC champions of course

[@withoutthehihatehappiness413]

@@Booklat1 garena did their job well enough

[@kardoxfabricanus7590]

Please sauce? I need it for... "Research..." Pretty please? Also i plan on helping resurrect the community.

[@Booklat1]

​@@withoutthehihatehappiness413 garena was good, lots of fun there but still, kinda sucked that we used garena for functionality over bnet

[@Am0nknight1234]

This stuff hits way too hard, chief. They really did ruin this part of our childhoods pretty hard, didn't they?

[@TheWilldrick]

Not really, we're lucky we were on the CD era. There are WC3 Isos floating around and more than enough Bnet clones and private ladders. It'll suck for sure to the online-only era kids tho

[@МихаилСтупин-л5м]

ActiBlizz ran us through with Refunded like Arthas did his father.

[@goldman77700]

@@МихаилСтупин-л5м Not even a big WC3 fan(more a SC guy) and that feels pretty accurate haha.

[@chefnerd]

Hit me aswell. Damn, no story in gaming so far made me as sad as this one.

[@Am0nknight1234]

@@chefnerd And the thing is, none of the people who worked on this game would have wanted it to go down this way. Can you imagine putting so much time and effort into something like this and to have management screw everything up? And after all the rush jobs and crunching you do, you're then told you have to drop this project you've worked years on after less than a year. It's just sad all around.

[@purplehaze2358]

"This isn't for all players, only players playing reforged" God I wish I had that level of innocence and naivety.

[@toifel]

I've grown up with Quake3 and Warcraft3.. seeing both franchises in the nerdSlayer graveyard kinda breaks my heart.

[@sunburst8810]

Quake 3 is almost 30 years old dude. That shouldn't be heartbreaking lol its just reality man

[@darkninja3426]

@@sunburst8810 I think he meant Quake Champions since its basically Q3.

[@Garethsmod]

I think Quake still has a future, it just needs to be given to the proper developers to make it something.

[@PenguinDT]

​@@Garethsmod Quake Champions was basically id side project in terms of production size, but; DOOM Eternal has several nods hinting that the next game from the core id team could be Quake - either a Quake game proper or DOOM / Quake crossover. In any other game I'd wave the nods off as Easter eggs, but I did that mistake with DOOM '16 (fool me once...). Personally, I'd heart-attack of giddiness if we get the Slayer going up against Lovecraft monsters and - possibly - the Ranger.

[@vee-bee-a]

*"Final Tier... Xaero."*

[@Glacial11]

Activision really does poison everything that it touches. It’s like a reverse midas touch, instead of turning something to gold it turns it into a pile of crap.

[@300IQPrower]

And yet because of mass stupidity it makes just as much money

[@zix1257]

it does turn into gold, but gold for bobby kotic, becuse you fools give them money.

[@manfredlorenz1831]

Turdy touch?

[@VValkyr]

@@zix1257 Us? No, we don't give them money. Thats why they shifted focus into making games for uninformed masses that never browse youtube, reddit, twitter, news about the game, or dont play the game at all. Thats where they make big bucks for. And these same people then go, defend and excuse Activision. The era when games were made for fans and enthusiasts is long gone my friend

[@FaultyTwo]

Ah yes. The Sadim Touch.

[@Kakyo01]

"back in the day" Blizzard has cancled projects if they didn't meet their own quality standard, like the StarCraft shooter featuring Nova as a playable character. We got a trailer, some footage and eventually the cancelation notice. The Blizzard of today did release 'WarCraft 3 - Reforged' to make money of pre-orders. Blizzard was never as shiny or good as ppl want to believe, nostalgia is a hell of a thing... but the Blizzard of today is a differnt company and it seems they don't care about their product or consumers at all.

[@telefeeb1]

@@philiproler5572 it’s kind of the life cycle of just about any creative product. You start with a visionary with a passion project. They impress someone with money who becomes their patron. Then when the visionary finds success and glory the investor says to themselves “I did this! If it weren’t for my decision to support this artist, this product would not exist. Clearly I know what’s best for the product, the artist is just a means of production, I am the one earning here!” And then they kill the goose that laid the golden eggs and wonder why they stopped making money. Then they look for more people with good ideas.

[@JohnDarksoul69]

well at least they didn't release some broken lackluster game just for cash-grabbing back in the day.

[@DaraG-sn2nj]

Blizzard cancelled Ghost because they were dumb. They thought that the game wouldn't become successful and they have to abandon it and make more updates for WoW.

[@ericlamb4501]

I was gonna comment something like this. Blizzard was never the good guy. They may have started that way, but success poisoned them ultimately. They were decent at best, a long time ago. Being bought up by Activision only brought everything that was bubbling under the shell up and out finally. And that's not even mentioning all the toxic workplace stuff.

[@1Korlash]

How could they mess this up so badly? We've seen *so many* great RTS remasters and remakes over the past decade: Age of Empires & Mythology, StarCraft, Seven Kingdoms, even EA with Command & Conquer! Age of Empires even does what they planned with loads of balance changes and expansions to shake up the old game. The road map to a successful RTS remake is so well established at this point that they have no excuse. RIP WarCraft 3.

[@Randleray]

This is what actually hurts the most. Out of all, EA mangaes to create a very very good remaster of C&C. And they didnt even do much. They scaled up the graphics, remade the cinematics, added a couple comfort options in controls and thats it. Everything else stood the same and as far as i can tell, most people love it. And it was basically a success, because there have been multiple announcements that EA also want to remake further C&C-titles. If you have to advice Blizzards devs to take a note on EAs work, you know times have changed drastically!

[@Masonicon]

Other game remasters are separate products from original ones, unlike Warcraft 3

[@janoycresva919]

@@Randleray I also remember the CnC remaster really started with a reddit post ! and including the community from day ONE ! and even getting a few hardcore fans envolved

[@zaneheaston8254]

Throw in Fire Emblem Echoes into that list

[@MassMassa]

Well not really. C&C remastered is quite a mess in multiplayer with terrible input lag, slowdowns, only 1vs1 ranked mode and changes in gameplay to please the newbies (which are not present anyway). Beside you need a very powerful gaming pc to play it in a semi decent manner for the new 4k graphic which is not the main point for an rts with such small units. It has been abandoned after less than one year by the developers... However unlike Warcraft3 we can still play the original games on C&C net with user made improvements, ranked games ans much mote. So basically the fan base checked the remastered, abandoned it after a while, got back to have fun with the old versions of the game :) like we are going since 1992 :)

[@matthewrichards4078]

30:00 That tournament gets WORSE!. . . The problems were SO bad they had to finish the stream/competition with paper rock scissors o-0

[@crazykirsch]

Pretty much every LAN party we had in the 00's involved WC3 custom games, a good portion were wholly consumed by them. ActiBlizz has truly perfected the art of shitting on long-time fans and cannibalizing their own legacy.

[@gameguy301]

such a tragedy, WC3 is one of the most important games in gaming history. Not only was it a fantastic entry in a strong franchise, not only did it lay the foundations for WoW, but the custom campaign community was either the birth place or inspiration of many successful games and even entirely new genres. DOTA2 and League of Legends for example can trace their lineage directly from the WC3 battlenet community. Which puts WC3 among other gaming titans like Half Life 1-2, Quake, Doom, Unreal, exemplifying not only fantastic games for their time, but also the primordial soup that would give rise to entirely new games and genres that would go on to spawn their own noteworthy successes.

[@DruNature]

I cannot understand this! so fucking sad and frustrating. I can just pop in my old PS1 games, or nintendo games, or install my old discs of classic PC games. But WC3 has been razed to the ground. Such fucking selfish greed on the part of the execs, makes me sick!

[@kaskipa]

@@DruNature yeah, hope the company dies, for real

[@Masonicon]

@@DruNature except when we pirate Warcraft 3

[@DkHRazerRain]

without WC3 and CS there wouldnt be even such a thing as esports.

[@hmvollbanane1259]

Having followed Grubby, one of the last remaining active pro player, that was highly involved in the promotion and testing another huge problem that he pointed out from the very beginning was/ is that with the colours being desaturated and the new models resembling more east asian mobile games rather than the characteristic warcraft blocky humanoid style vidual unit identification became extremely difficult which caused even pro players that have continuously played the game for 2 decades to have difficulties in observing, controlling of and reacting with their units in larger engagements, which is besides the other downgrades a huge problem for multiplayer matches as it forced anyone not wanting to play with a disadvantage to opt out of the only actual improvements done to the game by habing to turn the graphics back to the original settings

[@biggeneral1628]

@Juan C. Pretty sure his post lays out the reason why bro

[@EskChan19]

Honestly that's something they would have gotten used to. It's a change, but one that just takes some practice. And honestly, competitive players play almost all games on lowest settings anyway

[@Robinjhoe1]

What frustrates me the most is that there are zero consequences for those responsible for this. Those at the top got their bonuses, the devs are burned out and depressed by the bad scores and unfinished work, and the community managers were sacrificed to burden the backlash. And then nothing changes and we move on to the next broken game to get angry about.. it sucks

[@Erick-tv8oq]

There are those of us who remember. I remember how much crap Blizzard pumped out over the years. I remember the Blitzchung controversy, I remember "Do you guys not have phones?", I remember Diablo Immortal, I remember OW1 getting canned for the sake of a game that was ultimately canceled, I remember the frat boy culture lawsuits, I remember the diversity algorithms. I see people praising Diablo IV all around and the taste of bile fills my mouth because I remember. Creators who made an audience talking about how Blizzard sucks for years now suddenly change their tune because Diablo IV is the cool new thing. They have no substance, no heart, no dignity, they will change their opinion in a heartbeat if it means the general public agrees with them. Honestly, Blizzard is such a shitshow of a company that it singlehandedly opened my eyes to how rotten internet discourse is, and to how shameless AAA studios/publishers are. Nowadays I pretty much only support indie devs, everything else is acquired through sailing the seven seas, and I've never been a happier consumer.

[@crylune]

@@Erick-tv8oqconsoomer

[@S.O.N.E]

When you realize this shit isnt exclusive to the video game industry.. you'll shit bricks

[@filipvadas7602]

It takes a special level of incompetence and carelesness to make a 20 year old game WORSE then when it originally released

[@hawkshot867]

"We just wanted to make the game better!" Bro, it was already considered one of, if not the, greatest RTS ever made WTF do you mean? Instead we got a Remaster that was so bad, it killed the original. And that's the most unforgivable of sins. Personally, this was the nail in the coffin. I will never buy an Activision or Blizzard game again after this shit.

[@HisMagnificence]

Evil cannot create, only corrupt

[@SkullboyTV]

And you only notice this now? When Diablo 3 released I already knew that I'm never going to buy another game from them...

[@bloodlustshiva1]

@@SkullboyTV Amen to this. I saw the writing on the wall as soon as that was coming out, while my other D2 friends were hyped about it. I refused to purchase it at launch, let alone pre-order it. I never liked activision, and I consider Blizzard dead and buried in 2002.

[@sirpieman300]

@@bloodlustshiva1 why 2002? they didn't merge with Activision till 2008.

[@bloodlustshiva1]

@@sirpieman300 Because that was the last product I got from them, and will remain that way.

[@storm7840]

Funny how Rockstar made all of these mistakes too with GTA Definitive edition. Industry learned nothing from the failure of WC3R.

[@Masonicon]

At least GTA Definitive edition doesn't replace classic GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas

[@raulparrado1547]

@@Masonicon they tried to do it

[@Nick-ue7iw]

All the old games were delisted, and only brought back amid user backlash

[@gruntmasterbroadcast]

It takes a certain kind of effort... a very malicious kind of greed to take a fan favorite game, and absolutely tarnish it down to its foundation like Activision Blizzard did, I don't even think I can even call it a game... It was my brothers absolutely favorite game and when he found out it was being "Reforged" He was happy as one can be... He's not happy anymore... We play FFXIV now, having much better time.

[@Kacpa2]

I was furious from the very beginning seeing how wrong it was in its execution from 2018 announcement and hearing them joke about and mock the game on the panel....it's just awful...

[@mikoto7693]

Gruntmaster, as a fellow FF14 player I greet you. Long live Limsa Lominsa.

[@wraithflaire1639]

Damn vocal minority whinnying about any changes and cheap ass Activision executives derailing the reforging.

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@wraithflaire1639 cope harder

[@nightstrider6479]

Such a good case of how poorly a remake/remaster could be handled. Completely bizarre decisions that gave off so many red flags before it was released. If any good came out of the tragedy that was Reforged is that it opened the eyes to a number of people about how different Activision Blizzard was as a company. Hopefully they get their act together soon or Activision might just do away with them at some point.

[@NN010]

Not sure which is worse, Silent Hill HD Collection or this...

[@Ameerzmadi]

its weird how sc 1 was a success , wc3 reforged was a fail and seems d2 res seems like a success

[@ArmageddonEvil]

@@Ameerzmadi Only because D2R was made by a completely different company since it was Viracious Visions and not Blizzard that made it. lol

[@yudhiadhyatmikosiswono9082]

I remember when many people want to work in Blizzard, it's considered dream job during that time.

[@timdillon4876]

Hope they get sacked and all the ip's are sent to new blood

[@MrVidau]

This video deserves a sequel: 'Death of a game producer: How Blizzard is slowly digging their own grave'

[@kungfuvoodoo9889]

Well they were digging slowly for the last decade, but since last summer they decided to speedrun that shit.

[@KotsarisGR]

They are more interested in shoving leftist politics down our throats than developing quality games

[@jwktiger05]

its called it merged with Activision and that changed how leadership managed the company

[@AdamIsUrqed]

Arthas is a more sympathetic villain than Bobby Kotick

[@ZanathKariashi]

Tichondrius is a more sympathetic villain than Bobby Kotick.

[@melonetta]

Despite it all, Arthas just wanted to do good for his people. Botick doesn't even have that going for him

[@markbunst5961]

Emperor Palpatine is almost more sympathetic

[@midnightblue3285]

Arthas is not a villian

[@cn8299]

It's crazy that we're watching the death spiral of Blizzard unfold before us. 10 years ago, this would have been an unconceivable thing. No king truly rules forever.

[@EskChan19]

10 years ago they started this spiral with Diablo 3 and the real money auction house. This was the first time we should have known Blizzard was gone.

[@archravenineteenseventeen]

Only darkness - arthas menethil

[@kingenfuuken]

The worst thing about all of this is that WC3 was in a really fantastic state right before it was pulled and replaced with Reforged. The devs had been regularly updating the game before it was pulled. Such a damn shame all that work is gone forever.

[@3Torts]

RIght?! They should have just made an expansion and added naga/blood elves to multilayer or something

[@underfootsaw]

I have never played Warcraft 3 before and even then i could feel immense pain by watching this video

[@NiiRubra]

Oh, it was a fun time, lots of cool custom campaigns, and some very creative custom game modes, pretty cool singleplayer too. If it ever interests you, you can probably still play the original game, if you get your hands on an older copy and use one of the backed up patches that the community has preserved. The people will always be around, even if the game is no longer with us in an official capacity.

[@internetzenmaster8952]

I've never played it, but my eyebrows shot up and my jaw nearly hit the floor when I saw the part about the "Forced upgrade" of the _*original WC3*_. I'm just.... WAT THE FUCK?!

[@NiiRubra]

@@internetzenmaster8952 Yeah, I've never seen or heard of anything like this happening with a game re-release, like... ever. Honestly I think it is a contender for most baffling, most bizarre decision to be made in the making of a game.

[@glanni]

There has to be a reason, right? Maybe to not split their playerbase? Or so that people won't go like "nah I'll stay with the old one, thanks mate" and then sales are shit?

[@NiiRubra]

@@glanni One shouldn't try to *force* people to play the remaster, that's the easiest way to get them to respond badly to it, but I guess that may have not been as clear to the person who ultimately made that decision. I think the best way to not split the playerbase in this case is to make the two versions of the game crossplay compatible, but I guess the internal architecture of the game has changed too much for that to be possible at this point. I don't actually know, I would like that to be possible.

[@miro5998]

The positive note: Torrents And thanks for the video, NS! This death was one of the saddest...

[@robertlupa8273]

I _still_ haven't managed to properly pirate the game. :/

[@Masonicon]

Only mostly for those that can't reach their old pirated copies of warcraft 3

[@yeahnope620]

When I was a kid, and my parents went away on a business trip for about a week, I had spent 3 days in a row playing footmen frenzy, without any sleep. Then I attended my weekly tennis training session, then went back to play footmen frenzy for another full day. I don't know where I found the stamina but I did. Absolutely insane.

[@universalperson]

One thing that I just remembered: this game was released just a few months after Nintendo's remake of Link's Awakening. I know they're totally different games, but at the same time, the descrepency in the quality of the remakes is night and day.

[@luketfer]

Not only that but you also had the Demon's Souls remake come out not too long after made by a studio who have become reknowned for remakes after having worked on the awesome Shadow of the Colossus remake. Showing how to do a remake right.

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

dont forget age of empires 2 definitive edition.

[@TheDeadly911]

The Custom Map policies are something that were experimented as far back as Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty. Left 4 Dead was taken by Blizzard and Nexus Word Wars was removed for having the word "cunt" in it. Blizzard had been going very hard against the custom map scene for a long time. There's quite a few parallels to Bethesda prior to the Microsoft buyout with their paid mods.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

I agree as well

[@IntoTheSkyy]

I was doing some research the other day about Blizzard's history with modding since I've been super frustrated with the way they're handling D2R. I want to learn how some other big companies handle it and was looking into Bethesda since they seem to be very much "anything goes." Could you point me to where I should start learning about some of these parallels? I really want to learn more

[@TheDeadly911]

@@IntoTheSkyy kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3vadqV8q5qYpLc This is a good starting place for the initial paid mods controversy, which would be followed by Creation Club. It's just aggressive pushes against the modding community. I wouldn't be surprised is ES6 and Starfield have Creation Club built inside of both games, and requires people to run through those services in order to mod either.

[@Hellwolf36]

This was ultimately the straw that broke the camel's back for me with Nu-Blizzard. I had begun to sour on my relationship with them with Diablo 3's later patches and the incident with Blitzchung, but this was just a desecration of the years I put into it and told me exactly what their business strategy going forward would be.

[@jackdaone6469]

Yeah, the Blitzchung incident pissed me off something fierce, what with Blizzard bending the knee to a communist dictatorship and all. That was my last straw with Blizzard, and I was kinda bummed because I was looking forward to Reforged at the time but stuck to my guns. Thank God I dodged that bullet!

[@Hellwolf36]

Its more funny when you realize that they said they don't condone political messaging... While months later standing with BLM (another communist movement) and the LGBT community.

[@Zaelkrie]

The word "modernize" sends a cold chill down my spine.

[@guruthosamarthruin4459]

It's basically a religious term. It means "we're going to censor the hell out of this, and make it as unattractive as possible".

[@mickethegoblin7167]

100%

[@badasscrusader]

The only time I used that word positively was when I described back 4 blood where described it as modernized left 4 dead

[@mickethegoblin7167]

@@badasscrusader lmao, that is one of the perfect examples of how it can be used negatively....

[@badasscrusader]

@@mickethegoblin7167 okay let me put it like this,it has a modernized leveling system and cosmetics,but its gameplay doesn't benefit or get hampered by the leveling system I love the game,but it is flawed

[@Ghost3210]

It's actually a double death, because REFORGED killed itself while erasing the original. Triple death if you count the Frozen Throne as a separate game and not an add on... it is such a sad story and I really hope that Blizzard won't do the same to all the Blizzard games I grew up with and loved. I'm pretty sure the whole South Korean Starcraft business is scared shirtless, because Starcraft would be the next logical candidate after the reforging of Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2... so many careers and jobs are connected to it, and Blizzard could destroy it all with one bad greedy re-release that replaces the old one.

[@rexxel8867]

i just realized my childhood playing warcraft 3 was actually not the campaign because it was too hard for me and i don't understand yet. it was just me playing warcraft 3 having fun trying each custom maps from the community, i remember playing an rpg like custom map where you just grind to get good equipments, forgot what was the name but it was one of my favorite

[@Arathor82]

Thank You for pointing out that Blizzard doesn't exist anymore, it's basically an I.P. and not a real company anymore. I figured once the movie was made, it was downhill from there.

[@hazardeur]

It was shit right when D3 released which, concidentally, is when Activision already has taken over

[@Metalton95]

@@hazardeur *In-game real money auction house* “What? Don’t you guys gave wallets?”

[@hazardeur]

@@Metalton95 you think you only pay for the game once. but you don't

[@biacsviktor3466]

God that movie was trash. My friends keep saying it was not too bad, dude, a warcraft movie shouldn't be "not too bad", it should be epic af.

[@Metalton95]

@@hazardeur also Blizzard: adds Garrisons and turns them into one big mobile game countdown mechanic. Players: “But.. we want to play the game.” J. Allen Brack: “You think you do, but you don’t.”

[@seanatkinson8487]

I'm so happy you included the Blizzcon gameplay footage. A group of my friends and I went to that one (our first and last as we ended up swearing off Blizzard forever after years of being die-hard fans after that) and were raving about how excited we were for it only for the final product to be so insanely far from what we were promised.

[@michaelharvest931]

I can’t say I was devastated by this “remaster” that’s a very strong word. However, I was dumbfounded, truly and totally dumbfounded. I like millions of others I got into WoW through WC3. This remaster could have, and should have been a massive boon to the waning WoW. I was speechless, how could Act/blizz not see the potential.

[@michaelharvest931]

@@philiproler5572 Haha well said, it’s so bad it is impressive.

[@VinnieMTG2024]

When your CEO looks and acts like a Goblin, things aren´t going to be as smooth as could be

[@nicguti]

Bobby Kotick is a real-world Jastor Gallywix, but even worse

[@quinnholloway5400]

Gallywax is real And he runs blizzard

[@grimkaizer8417]

sounds pretty anti-Semitic

[@Demonsouls1993]

Wish I thought of that one lol somebody should photo shop him and make it official lol

[@henryviiifake8244]

@@grimkaizer8417 Am I missing something here????

[@renejaensch8723]

WC3 after Blizzard picked it up again: "That's it. I'm dead."

[@Masonicon]

This make "God Bless game Piracy" best

[@anthonyshanaman5637]

I used to draw war craft 2 map strats in high-school. Couldn’t wait to test them out when i got home from school.

[@mikesully110]

I don't get it because the Starcraft remaster was fantastic, it kept the gameplay and charm of the original game; and it also improved exactly on ONLY what needed to be improved - the presentation and way of running on modern systems. They didn't replace the voice acting for no reason, nor mess with the story (e.g. add an SC2 character inexplicably into the SP1 campaign for no reason) So on the whole the SC1 remaster was incredible. Playing it on my 4k 48.5" monitor honestly made me feel like an 11 year old boy playing the single player again for the first ever time. They say playing a good remaster, should be like playing the original game as you remember it in your 11 year old brain, and that's what it was like. But there was still the good old cut corners, LAN play crashes out more than it works, and the singleplayer skirmish is an afterthought of an afterthought - you can't play a 2 v 2, you and a PC vs 2 PC players; you have to start a LAN game 3 or 4 times (to get past the crashes), start a multiplayer LAN game, add the allied/enemy computer players you want, then hope the game starts without crashing. All because Blizzard couldn't be bothered to put more than the melee option in the single player "custom game" options screen. So it's baffling about this WC3 reforged. It should have been made just like SC remastered - redo the art assets, textures, map geometry, maybe some balance updates - look at AOE2:DE which is a fantastic remaster. Or the C&C remaster - which is literally just a visual overhall - you still have the ancient 20+ year old gameplay and mechanics of the very first real RTS came ever made, C&C1 - but people were still happy with the C&C remaster because it did exactly what it was marketed to do - present you C&C and Red Alert, exactly as your childhood brain remembered it when it came out back in the mid 1990's.

[@Masonicon]

Cuz when other games got remastered, their remasters are separate products from original ones, unlike Warcraft 3

[@Foxhood]

It is rather weird. They put the bar so high that EA went full blast on the C&C Remaster. Swallowing their pride and approaching the westwood Alumni studio Petroglyph to handle the coding, approaching the same artists at Lemon Sky who updated Starcraft's graphics for C&C and even getting Kucan for a quick few promotional videos as Kane. Returning hope to a franchise that was believed as dead and beaten a dead horse could be. All because of SC:R and yet.... THIS happened...

[@MrCharles7994]

There is also a version of reality where they actually went good on the promise to change things in a coherent manner, and we got a different version of warcraft 3 with significant but well integrated changes. The disaster wasn't in the vision itself. It was in every single step of that execution, from beginning to end.

[@RyuDouro]

Warlords Battlecry 3 mods are living long and strong!

[@Vermbraunt]

The virgin WC3: Reforged vs the chad AoE2: Definitive edition This still pisses me off to this day. They really did us dirty with WC3

[@VieneLea]

AoE2 DE makes this so much worse. Microsoft hit the jackpot with it, revitalised an old series and created growing playerbase and ccommunity, which I'd imagine pays off quite a lot, creating a community and creating a launching pad for new games in the series (hiya, AoE4!). And AoE was always less popular than WC. Actiblizz could've achieved so much, but they just went and threw it all away.

[@cykablyat1466]

That customer service agreement is very much an emotional and bitter statement from the company over losing DotA to Valve. Any DotA player who was following what happened with that situation at the time knew that Icefrog was looking for a standalone successor to the WC3 mod. There was a catch to this situation, Icefrog was going to bring the DotA game over only with the condition that he had full control without anyone above him telling him how to develop his game, this arrangement was never going to happen with Activision Blizzard, therefore he went to Valve to help create Dota 2 along with the legal battle that came between Blizzard and Valve afterwards. Activision Blizzard with Warcraft 3 Reforged made sure another Dota would never happen again on their platform. They really thought Icefrog would have signed over his work to the company with no strings attached, he's not an idiot.

[@demoneyesrakka]

After playing through the StarCraft remastered campaigns, and absolutely loving it, especially being able to have ergonomic keybinds that make sense. I figured they could do no wrong, and these simple classics that set the foundation for their company were in perfectly capable, master hands. Boy was I wrong.

[@matttyler9963]

If you ever played world of war craft you'd never say they could do no wrong, some of the worst new expansions for any game

[@chrisgoblin4857]

I agree, SC Remastered was a really good update. I started with SC2 but it gave me a good chance to experience the first game. I can't believe how badly Warcraft 3 went.

[@Kacpa2]

Original dubbing for non english version was lost aswell, also visually Reforged is also frankly just repulsive, its as illconceived and horrible approach as everything else about it. It may be detailed but it looks nothing like original game and is an insult to Samwise Didier's work on the original game. What we should've gotten is exacly the same as Starcraft Remastered and have just refined version of original visuals on same animations and artstyle, something that was partially done in Starcraft II, as War3HD asset package. Also i can blame some....Brian Sousa was an utter moron and completely unfit to be an artlead, with very bad and disrepectful outlook on warcraft III, mocking it on every occassion. He only done a decent job with SC:R because he was FORCED to do it faithfully, and complained about it during his GDC panel presentation also showing lots of disrespectful remarks about it and og artists aswell...

[@tacticianAlexandra]

Yeah the sad thing is, there is way two many people out there like Brian Sousa. Who don't respect the works of others. Who think they are hotshot creators but in the end, more often than not the truth is they are just leeches who can only leech off the success of others or merely destroy things beloved by many. Along with questioning, who the heck idea was it to leave this person in charge of something they clearly give zero care about?

[@Kacpa2]

@@tacticianAlexandra Sadly...he also jumped off the ship before launch to pretend he quits game dev business to just merily go to another company. Consequences are incredibly severe as game looks nothing like it should, tousands of hours of effort got wasted on completely wrong approach to remaking the games assets and it split the community of warcraft in a very polarized and mutually exclusive way. Instead of seeing and enjoying one and the same game just at various fidelity settings its like 2 totally different games one beig uprooted by the newer "definitive" depiction...

[@arkaua]

This SO MUCH. Not enough people talk about the completely butchered artstyle for some reason. Reforged looks absolutely awful in comparison to the original artstyle. Completely mismatching, not fitting and frankly an insult, like you said.

[@Kacpa2]

@@arkaua Glad i aint alone with this :) I am quite annoyed by people calling them "good". In vaccum as some assets for blizzard's take on Assasin's Creed or Shadow of Mordor when well animated they could be "impresive" but here being so agggrrssively not warcraft iii nor even Warcraft overall(since it doesnt even look like WoW which is closest to wc3 in its artstyle also being drawn and matte). Even spell effects are awful. All of it being both uglier and far less readable than og art. Level up for instance doesnt have the same glow and brightness as itvdid in wc3 and wow, and are weirdly animated. If anything wc3 should have a mild detail bump to something slightly above WoW Classic keeping the style and animations.

[@Kacpa2]

@Magne M It was but it aint the main reason why it tuend out so bad. Its the Art lead they just done what he wanted of them. They done semi decent job for Overwatch and Starcraft Remastered so its not like they couldnt do good job and be faithful to the design and artstyle of og game. It's all on that slimeball Brian Sousa...

[@oplawlz]

The only positive that came of this was we were spared any of christie goldens rewrites.

[@astralaris8712]

"Death of a Game: Warcraft III Reforged" Wait, that was alive to begin with?

[@TheMaestroMizerous]

Undeath of a game is more like it.

[@zakanyimen]

Since it is essentially a patch with a rename. Yes the og w3 was alive.

[@gathorall9136]

The tragedy is that it killed the classic with it.

[@leadpaintchips9461]

It absolutely sold like hotcakes.

[@ShalThuzar]

they used necromantic power and turned in to this monstrosity

[@Geminias]

Activision Blizzard started hunting for that E-Sports gravy train thinking their name could carry them to glory. They forgot that the reason they had a good name was because people enjoyed playing their games. I played BW for years - thousands of games and less than 100 ladder games. Custom maps were where it was at and where the community resided. Admittedly though, I'd pick up W3 if it wasn't 30$. I bought it when it was new on shelves, not paying half the original retail value for a game that old. Hell, at least allow me to put my CDKey on block chain in exchange for a new copy of Reforged.

[@cykablyat1466]

Activision Blizzard wants to hunt for these e-sports that have these 10-20 year long-term grass roots competitive communities (Dota, CS, League, SC) overnight. It's a long term investment that takes making a good game first lol. A game being a popular e-sport not up to them, it up to the fans and the gamers. They aren't the only ones who do this, but the companies that try to establish an e-sport from day one is very naive, you don't know if it's going to catch on and you don't know if its going to be something entertaining for the viewers. Overwatch is a great example of this. It's a great and fun game, it's a clusterfuck to watch a competitive match. It has the worst aspects of a MOBA and FPS in a game that you can't follow at all what's going on.

[@leofwulf268]

Ikr I don't know why companies try to hunt for an eSports scene BEFORE cementing a popular, competitive and actually fun game

[@Rog_7]

One important note for old WC3 fans: The classic competitive scene is alive and well and that would have been a nice outro. The guys at Back2Warcraft on twitch are putting in serious work.

[@soniablanche5672]

I've played WC3 TFT from 2003 ~ 2011 then played here and there. It was almost the only the game I've played exclusively during that time. I can't believe they managed to butcher both the classic and the remake at the same time. I hope Blizzard goes bankrupt.

[@JohnDarksoul69]

they won't bankrupt. people are just morons, they keep preordering shit and giving money to these shitty studios encouraging them to keep on regurgitating these broken and unfinished games since the money will still enter their greedy pockets anyways.

[@cicatrace]

@@JohnDarksoul69 Totally agree, I played these old blizzard games a lot but why would I buy the same game twice? Just make Warcraft 4 already it's been 20 years...

[@1un4cy]

When I was replaying the campaign and got 3/4 the way through when Reforged hit then all my saves were erased and all campaigns locked until I re-complete them.

[@theshinken]

It just not only scrapped campaigns. My custom games folder got overwritten and emptied. With over a 1000 maps - some made in private just for friends at LAN parties and with many obscure maps and versions, that you won't find at internet databases anymore. Those are GONE FOR GOOD AND FOREVER because one day Blizzard Activision decided to reinstall WC3 without asking or prior notice and replace it with an inferior, bloated version.

[@skipmanghondarg]

@@theshinken I feel ya man, I was collecting so many maps for my friends to play with, over ~4years of actively playing the game and then... reforged hits... i dont feel like collecting all 600+ maps again... Rest in peace people's creativity and effort

[@willpitts5223]

18:05 You know you fucked up when you make the Master Chief Collection look competent

[@HighQualityLeftover]

There is no happy end to this story. We are all alive to see this zombie of a previously loved one standing in front of us. Not fully dead, but mostly with little to no chance to ever go back to the way it once was.

[@NinjaTyler]

Good news we may see a happy ending with Microsoft buying them out and the head of Xbox made it clear he is pissed at the toxic culture at Activision blizzard and most likely will be laying off key figures that helped ruin both studios

[@Icagel0]

Reforged being botched is understandable, screwing with the original version puts the nail on the coffin since W3 now has lost practically everything that made it great in the first place, just a remaster would have been infinitely better.

[@sandro5535]

If they did that. They would not have the means to force the T&C that the claim moral rights of any ideas fans get.

[@phoenixdown1947]

@@sandro5535 they still salty about , Dota 2, not to mention dota still thriving high till now. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Kraus-]

It was just a remaster. All of the promised expansion content was cut.

[@hoyhoy852]

@@sandro5535 They already did that before Reforged even came out with one of later patches, not sure where this misconception came from.

[@sandro5535]

@@hoyhoy852 Hmm that is likely. as for the preForged patches, at first they were good imo. Widescreen, more options, 12 additional colors and players to choose. Then it started getting buggy by the end, guess that was a clear sign that Reforged would be a mess.

[@mojo187ed]

This one hit hard, goes to show how “Blizzard” is gone.

[@tacticianAlexandra]

It truly is amazing how badly blizzard mess up here. This has to be one of worst remakes in history. Like they didn't just mess up a game, they more or less did everything in their power to deleted the original, so you can't even go back and enjoy the classic version of it [outside of a few methods]. so now you are left with an awful remake that is your only choice. this truly is the death of a game, rip the original warcraft 3.

[@jadedheartsz]

Can you play the original if you buy an original CD copy and install it on your PC?

[@365autorifle8]

@@jadedheartsz I believe that as long as you have the original disk you can just download from there, but I'm not sure. Just be careful when trying anything that requires you to be online.

[@profanemagic5671]

@@jadedheartsz nope. Original WC3 is dead. I own a physical copy of the game and when I install it, it automatically updates to defored when I start the game. The only way to keep good ol' wc3 is to never start it with an internet connection. Playing on the "alternative b.net" w3arena that was used the years prior to the reforge-release (cracked version on a better server, with anticheat, hosting bots, a ladder etc) is also no longer possible because the developer shut that down when deforged was announced with the first b.net patch in over 5 years, when everyone migrated back to the original bnet because of it.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@profanemagic5671 what if you install it on a computer that's not connected to the internet?

[@TheNzFox]

they deleted the old version so they could enforce the new custom map policies, they didn't want to risk letting another DOTA slip through their fingers and was willing to let everything burn in order to prevent that possibility. It is just one example, of many, of how current blizzard does not give a shit for its customers, nothing matters beyond how much money they can milk now

[@hegyak]

This is a mess of a game. Balance in Single Player, is BROKEN. Units with more health/abilities then they should in Reign of Chaos (The Original Game).

[@stephanreiken9912]

They didn't change the stats of units. They did add item stacking for Potions which was not well thought out.

[@Edgariki]

@@stephanreiken9912 they did. Reign of Chaos has balance of Frozen Throne in Deforged.

[@Spellweaver5]

Every time you include a piece of Warcraft's music as a short interlude, I feel shivers going down my spine.

[@nordmu]

++

[@drowningin]

I haven't bought a blizzard game since WC3 & Xpac. I contacted old highschool friend I played with, and we were going to play together. Then it released, and I remembered why I don't buy blizzard games, and would never preorder one. So we had ourselves hyped we decided to play the original since we had already planned to play WC3. Oh, they ruined that too!? Well... Back to pretending blizzard hasn't been a company for nearly 20 years. Edit: we decided to both buy Total War: Warhammer 2 and play that since Warcraft was originally supposed to be a Warhammer game but they didn't get the IP. So it felt right. We had a lot of fun btw

[@stryke-jn3kv]

CA is like the anti-Blizz right now as where Blizz are strangling their own setting to an early grave, CA's successes have led to GW changing their mind about the Old World and after killing it off for Age of Sigmar are now bringing it back once more with a new model range and rules.

[@armsofundertow98]

make sure you also dont buy Activision games too

[@drowningin]

@@stryke-jn3kv what is CA?

[@drowningin]

@@armsofundertow98 I can't think of any Activision games I ever bought? Tomahawk pro skater 1 & 2 were Activision, and I think Day of Defeat was them? Besides those I haven't. I'm not even sure what Activision makes these days, but its nothing I pay attention to

[@Kbrookesy]

Will be interesting to see what Frost Giant Games end up making, the company might be dead by the people behind the games sure aren't

[@kurington.blogspot7876]

This is so upsetting I need to pause, multiple times. How, how on God's Green Earth, can you possibly make a legacy building work of genius into utter, complete, all enclosing, all encasing absolute crap and even ruin the original? Warcraft III Reforged is a video game equivalent of that old icon of a Jesus Christ a 'tard "restored".

[@looweegee252]

Glad to know I am not the only person waiting on Warcraft IV.

[@gabrielverde5649]

FINALLY THIS ONE ARRIVES!

[@SFBWasTaken]

Was thinking about this the other day, but the tale of two remakes/remasters from Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition and WarCraft 3: Reforged. Both well beloved RTS that stood the test of the time but the implementations of both couldn't be any different where AoE2:DE was a massive upgrade and consistently being supported, WC3:Reforged couldn't be anywhere further from it. Sad really.

[@darkjammin79]

I was one of those that I feel they were aiming for. I missed warcraft where my introduction of its lore was through friends, Hearthstone and HOTS. Quite curious I binged some videos and stories to get up to speed, but still curious to play. Yet so many red flags popping up while friends said it was normal. This is fine. Don't worry(and so on). Further deepening my stance of waiting till after launch to buy games, seeing the shit show around everything made me briefly smug on matters. Then felt terrible for those invested in this, forever destroyed a legendary part of not just one franchise or company. But a benchmark as well as historical greatness in games past. I have checked off anything from blizzard for awhile, I just hope more players find a better game studio. Blizzard is long dead with Activision pulling more and more strings. Just like other beloved studios that fell in recent memory.

[@juselara02]

this reforged thing was really a huge heartbreak for my millenial heart.

[@bangscutter]

At this point, the ethical thing for Activision Blizzard to do is to release the game's source code publicly, and let the community build the game as it should be. The W3 Champions team is already doing a good job at making their own ladder system.

[@informitas0117]

This one hurt. I was at least somewhat excited for this, which is extremely rare as I've been depressed for years. I just wanted some childhood nostalgia. Blizzard is truly dead, and not just to me.

[@cattrucker8257]

I think this was the big "wake up call" moment about Activizzard for many. It was definitely a watershed even for me, even though I'd quit WoW after my friends pulling me in again due to just how terrible their newest expansion at the time was after a pretty good one. I never imagined they would screw up on this colossal a scale - not just fail to release a new version of a great game, but outright try to delete it and basically remove one of the pillars that made them the juggernaut they came to be known as. Activizzard obliterating the thing that sealed Blizzard's fame - doesn't get more poetic than that. And it was just the start of the train we're seeing continuously wrecking to this day, too!

[@ettan5812]

Can't understand how so many has stayed with actiblizzard during the years, they've been money grabbing assholes for ages

[@Proiteus]

Will you be doing “Death Of A Studio; Blizzard” in a few years time?

[@bluerosemagus]

I'm surprised you went through the effort to put 'a few' and an s behind the year

[@thecripplingestofdepressio2686]

Blizzard died years ago. Activision has just been puppetting the corpse around like it's weekend at bernies.

[@whiskizyo2067]

one can only hope

[@Metalton95]

@@thecripplingestofdepressio2686 As overly dramatic as these quotes often are, I wholeheardedly agree. I'm still baffled by how out of touch Activation-Blizzard has been with its audience since Mists of Pandaria, trying to cater to Asian markets through an entire expansion and 2 years of content (albeit good content within the expansion, despite the divergence from the rest of WoW's plot), then the constant trial and error since of expansions since then, Blitzchung, Warcraft "reforged", and now the "frat boy" scandal. And then there's the Diablo franchise which they literally shit on, assuming its target audience is born after 2005 and playing mobile games, trying to apologize with a rushed trailer for Diablo 4 one year later, because they finally got the memo. And Star Craft which ended up with Kerrigan = Space God Avenger and the ultimate enemy being the Old Gods from Warcraft's cousins, anyway. Nothing beats the power of love, right?

[@piotrseidler4876]

To be realistic, that video would be a few years overdue if anything :/

[@FranksMuseumOfGaming]

Used to love playing the custom mode 'Gladiator', getting a full team of people for that and fighting the AI, grabbing upgrades was so much fun.

[@weertangel7231]

This was one of the most dissapointing things Blizzard did since Battle of Azeroth, and it was the point they really began showing their current greedy face and made me happy i had't bought it. Its good i still have my old hardcopy of both the main game and the expansion, if i ever replay it, it will be without internet connection. The game will be missed.

[@R3dm3talHdZ]

I dont agree that BoA was bad but shadowlands on the other hand is a disaster and a mess of the whole world.. of warcraft. but we can all agree that Reforged is a compelling dumpster fire.

[@mickbotcast]

I almost find a way to find the most expensive version I could get my hand on for collection glad I didn't

[@al5306]

Just stop it. jfc lol "the most dissapointing things Blizzard did since Battle of Azeroth." EVERY single expansion they do people find ways to hate it. The snobs complain about non-issue after non-issue and create problems with the game that really don't exist. A lot of players just want to be snobs about WoW to make it seem like they know better. BFA had NO game breaking issues that turned me off as a player. My friends and I still played and had a lot of fun. Everything wasn't perfect, but it didn't matter. We don't play armchair game developer. We just play the stuff we like and we don't play the stuff we don't.

[@al5306]

@@R3dm3talHdZ And how is Shadowlands a "disaster"?

[@Raven-yl7ql]

@@al5306 BFA had a ridiculously long content drought that killed the game for me, and I had been an avid fan for the last 15 years. Also wasn't a fan of many of the systems, gearing sucked since it was all rng and literally just praying you get the right roll. Coming off of legion especially, BFA felt half-assed and repetitive, but that's just my opinion. No need to go after someone else for their own opinion. If you enjoyed it that's great man, I'm glad you enjoyed it. That's all that really matters in the end ^^

[@CommanderBohn]

Never forget. Never forgive. Especially the incompetence of those in charge.

[@Kacpa2]

Me neither...they ruined my beloved game forever.... game that gave me infinite enjoyment, friends and i found my passion through working on my maps for it.... I still play it people and that core fun is still there but i had to restore og dub myself and still need to endure through RF's shite to get to it...

[@CommanderBohn]

@@Kacpa2 Now Diablo II is getting this treatment. At this point we should riot and protest them from remaking more games. At least Lost Vikings and Blackthorne are safe...FOR NOW.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

The original Warcraft 3 is being kept alive through piracy.

[@kevinkim9620]

this is the most depressing comment section ive seen in a while, and you know what i completely feel all of you. i have countless stories of hitting up PC cafes with friends in middle school and high school to play, i remember my first lan parties were just for this game, i remember staying up until the morning until school started during high school to play dota with my friends... i remember many different groups of friends talking about wanting to play this again, but then all of us saying nooopppeeee after it released. then i learned that the original versions of the game were gonna be unplayable after reforged due to merging the servers... gg blizzard. at least starcraft remastered was great and diablo 2 resurrected is decent.

[@twistaaahh4787]

Yeah watching this video alone is rlly sad. Im not an avid player but i did remember staying up all night with my older brother to play the campain mode back in the day. Now im here watching a guy talk about how actiblizz fucked warcraft 3 sideways.

[@Masonicon]

Not only Starcraft remastered doesn't replace the original

[@Roge9]

After playing diablo 2 resurrected the thing that always comes to mind is "Why didn't they do this with Warcraft 3?"

[@Galloglaoch]

Because apparently they needed this to learn a lesson

[@qaztim11]

Because they thought they were too big to fail. Because they sent over a lot of the modeling and networking to third parties. Because they pushed up the release date even when internal devs were saying they should have delayed the game. "How does it feel seeing all your favorite franchises burn in flames? Glorious"

[@drowningin]

You mean ship a game that's unplayable offline/lan & resulting in hundreds of thousands of players rollbacks if they managed to play at all? Idk bro. They should of fkd up harder you're right

[@Roge9]

​@@drowningin Still a billion times better than this "remake" Personally I'm enjoying D2R despite the issues.

[@drowningin]

@@Roge9 what blizzard fans are willing to put up with never fails to astound me. "At least it's not as bad as this!" They should quote that in the marketing

[@crazytrain111]

Who else play WC3 for the custom games? LOAP, Hero Wars, LOTR Castle Def, HvH, Sheep Tag, etc. God I miss those days.