The Reid Technique: How the Police Force Confessions...

[@IntotheShadows]

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[@BruceMusto]

I can see your video being someday entered into evidence in a trial where a confession was obtained in order to cast doubt on the confession. Possible?

[@ortizguard2816]

There's no situation a cop can't make worse! Eliminate qualified immunity and judicial immunity!

[@deejayRavien]

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[@christopher9727]

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[@jamesb.8201]

I’ve done the Reid class as a civilian. It was very scary and taught me to NEVER talk to the police, even when you’re innocent.

[@biofoot7874]

Especially when you're innocent

[@Blinkerd00d]

Especially.

[@djdrack4681]

Exactly. IF you can't resist talking...talk about the dumbest f$%King stuff in the world. "I wonder why the sky is blue...blah blah", "Does your wife prefer to cuffed, or are u usually cucked? Probably cucked, huh, I mean you're around cuffs all day", "you paint this room yourself, its got the personality of somebody that struggles at everything", "I'm just going to fall asleep now, wake me up when you get your donuts"

[@naheleshiriki5496]

Which is unfortunate because it creates a level of mistrust between officers and the people that they are supposed to protect. Some won't even call the police anymore out of fear of their involvement.

[@CameronMcCreary]

The government can never be trusted; always remember this.

[@sterlingwilkes3240]

How to beat the reid technique: never speak to the police without your lawyer present, even if you have to spend a few days in the clink.

[@sadsaint3532]

And then at that point the habeas corpus lawsuit gonna get you a bag

[@BruceBoyde]

Yeah, that's really easy to say when your livelihood isn't at risk. Part of the problem is that being detained can absolutely mean losing income from missed hours or even being outright fired. That's probably the single biggest reason for false confessions, I would guess. People can't afford to be detained even if they know it's a false accusation.

[@johngavin2570]

@BruceBoyde there's 2 types of people. One type is simple minded and thinks about very little things like living paycheck to paycheck and how they can't do that if they're innocent but in prison or lose their job and how they'd be unemployed when they do leave the clink. The other type realizes the lawsuit they win for false imprisonment or the settlement they take will set them up with a house, car, and enough money to pay the bills for 5 years, and afterwards they can literally just tour the country saying "bad thing happen" like a trained monkey whenever an act of police brutality occurs to make millions "campaigning" and "spreading awareness" Thanks for showing us that you're simple minded.

[@BruceBoyde]

@@johngavin2570 Except for you fucking won't. It's not unlawful imprisonment in this country to detain someone suspected of a crime. The limitation being that it can only be for a "reasonable" amount of time. As long as they can claim it was a reasonable amount of time, you're fucked. I'm fortunate enough to *not* live paycheck to paycheck, but that's unfortunately not the case for a great deal of Americans. Thanks for showing that you're a simpleton who throws a lot of accusations when you don't actually know shit.

[@PhenomRom]

@@johngavin2570LMAOO

[@isaacbenrubi9613]

This is why, regardless of circumstance, you NEVER talk to the police without a lawyer present. In the USA, you are entitled to representation. Exercise your rights with zeal.

[@amandabeaty1492]

Most countries do. Out of 194 countries, there are 153 of them that have the right to council written into their constitution.

[@chris5701]

give them an inch they'll take a mile...they only care about convictions in the US so they can say they're doing something about the issues.

[@ryanroberts1104]

Always boggles my mind how much people say just because the cops asked them. As soon as you request a lawyer, the interrogation stops. It's that easy. And then they give you a free expert to help you defend yourself. Even if you are the one who called the cops, shut your mouth!

[@rayraudebaugh5395]

@@ryanroberts1104 True but it is important to understand that your lawyer may not be provided until after you have made an initial court appearance. In the meantime, yes, say nothing.

[@ryanroberts1104]

@@rayraudebaugh5395 The point being, all interrogation and trickery stops instantly, instead of drawing on for hours.

[@ImaCatMaia]

THANK YOU for addressing the fact that body language is highly subjective. These body language "experts" I see on true crime content are hacks.

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

Don't forget how much body language can vary by culture!

[@Redbeardian]

Those armchair psychologist vids of interrogations are pretty pathetic. Many I've watched contradict themselves in the same video and often are the complete opposite of fellow youtubers doing the same style content. Example. One youtuber said answering calmly is a sign of guilt because you should be angry when falsely accused while a different youtuber said answering frustrated and angry is a sign of guilt. What a bunch of muppets.

[@IndyMiraaga]

Anxiety is a huge issue with judging body language, taking a calm person and noting growing anxiety is one thing but an already-anxious person is going to be essentially impossible to read. And before anyone points it out I am incredibly aware of the irony of me saying this despite my profile image.

[@JordyValentine]

​@@IndyMiraagayep, I'm generally anxious and I feel like I would just look guilty if they even asked my name let alone an interrogation

[@nevertimetotryagain]

Agreed! It's so annoying to hear these fake "experts" state body language interpretations like they're fact.

[@jmbsoutho]

My brother was the selected victim of a company with bad inventory procedures. They accused him of stealing tens of thousands of dollars worth of stock. Their evidence? They had him on camera moving boxes...which was his job. He was arrested, and had to go through the whole court system....ended up pleading out to a lesser charge because he would lose more if he was found guilty of a felony. The "justice" system is wack.

[@futurestoryteller]

David Pakman once claimed the justice system clings by a thread called "pleas" and that if every criminal defendant, tomorrow demanded their right to a fair trial, state and local governments would be forced to let the vast majority of them go, because there isn't enough time, money, and resources in the world to try them all.

[@oblivionsa7973]

It's at that point you realize 99.8% of Prosecutors' "wins" are plea deals. DAs don't care about justice or the truth... only their conviction rate. If you were to suggest to them that they got a plea deal from someone who was actually innocent many would immediately tell you that is impossible because nobody would ever accept a plea for a crime they didn't commit. The entire system is corrupt and biased in favor of the state. Simply look at the difference in case load and resources between Public Defenders and Prosecutors. Public Defenders often have 3 times as many cases and very few if any resources to mount your defense while prosecutors have entire police departments along with special investigators at their fingertips and a virtually unlimited budget for things like "expert witnesses" and lab tests. This also gives rise to one of the states favorite tactics: tying you up in court until you go broke trying to fight them.

[@anthonykarnes6804]

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[@ode6105]

THE LAWYER, IS NOT YOUR FRIEND EITHER! Try to remember!

[@MetalMachinist232]

@@ode6105 I agree that the lawyer isn't your friend in a sense... however they are the best you have. Do you have something better you are not telling us about?

[@zappababe8577]

Remember that Police can legally lie to you, however lying to Police is a crime.

[@princesssoybean]

Not when it’s a false confession then you make the cops very happy

[@archstanton4365]

Because the cops are almost all, if not all criminals.

[@jessecortez9449]

​@@archstanton4365more specifically, the cops are simply revenue collectors, so legalized criminals. You can go to Dun & Bradstreet and look up your local police department and you'll see that they're classified with "Doing Business As..." with the Police Chief as head of corporation. The entire system is a business deal. Almost nothing to do with ethics, morality or justice.

[@GrouchierBear]

There is actually only a narrow number of instances where lying to the police is illegal. Things like giving a false identity, falsely reporting a crime, or lying under oath. Still, it's better to just keep your mouth shut rather than lie.

[@ericsquire6288]

Lying under oath is illegal. Lying to a cop is not

[@Rosie-yt8nd]

something worrying about police dramas is that they frame getting a lawyer as "only something people who have to hide something need", or at the least you are "hindering their investigation unnecessarily". when a lawyer is the only thing that protects you from this kind of coercion

[@hoppytoad79]

ABSOLUTELY! Innocent people need lawyers just as much as guilty ones.

[@futurestoryteller]

The whole point of a defense attorney is to make sure everyone gets a fair shot, because you never know when you've accused an innocent person. If innocent people didn't need lawyers you can bet they wouldn't be allowed

[@maximusmonk8073]

I can barely stand to watch police dramas anymore. I believe a lot of bad police behavior is influenced, unintentionally, by the idiotic standards set by TV shows and movies, where everyone has something to hide, and where our legal protections are just a nuisance the cops have to violate in order to catch the killer.

[@darkhobo]

Classic cophaganda. Police shows are the worst

[@pedecadonstudios714]

That right there is called social engineering. Its also why people think cell phone companies and tech companies will protect your data and even fight to keep your privacy safe. Nothing could be further from the truth. Google didn't get multi billion dollar defense contracts by fighting the US government on behalf of its "customers".

[@changer_of_ways_999]

This is WHY you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and WILL be used against you. You have the right to an attorney. GET ONE. Even if and especially if you are innocent. DO NOT TALK TO COPS

[@jessecortez9449]

Have a lawyer on retainer before any legal issues ever come up. All lawyers are sworn to be loyal to the BAR first and foremost, the they are loyal to the Court they'll be operating under, then they'll be loyal to their client, if they've managed to hold on to any of their ethics. Most lawyers spend a whole lot of personal time outside of the court room rubbing elbows with other lawyers, judges and police so if they've spent the weekend golfing with the judge the case will likely have less tension just from internal relationships.

[@TheEgg185]

Attorneys cost money and I don't wanna pay.

[@EscargoBay]

Even if you're innocent. Even if you have an airtight alibi. Even if you've gone over your entire story with a fine-toothed comb. You WILL eventually say something contradictory, and that will be blown out of proportion and used against you in court.

[@the_algorithm]

@@TheEgg185 If the police are talking to you, they are trying to pin a crime on you. they are NEVER trying to rule you out. Don't be naive. Request a lawyer and exercise your right to remain silent. If they question you after that... it is inadmissible... but don't talk after that. CYOA

[@LexYeen]

​@@jessecortez9449bro, who can afford to have a lawyer on retainer

[@Cyle_C]

Even if you’re innocent the only word that should ever come out of your mouth is “lawyer” over and over gain until you get that lawyer

[@goldencyclone4984]

No, you have to specifically say "I am invoking my right to an attorney, and invoking my right to silence until my attorney arrives." Because the Courts have decided the police can be willfully stupid and misinterpret whatever you say unless it's crystal clear.

[@shadeitplease7383]

Yes. Saying something like “maybe I should talk to an attorney” isn’t enough to force a stop to the interrogation. You have to unequivocally say “I’m not speaking with you i until my attorney is present” or something definitive like that.

[@Redbeardian]

@@shadeitplease7383 I've seen one where he said something close to, "These questions your asking sound like something very bad happened. I think I need to talk to an attorney." That wasn't good enough. It went on for over an hour after that, with him repeating the same "I think I should talk to an attorney" frequently and him getting more and more confused why they essentially just seemed to ignore him saying it, until he finally said the right thing, "I'm not answering any more questions without an attorney present". Great justice system ...

[@the_algorithm]

@@goldencyclone4984 100% this Always TELL them you are exercising your right to silence until your attorney arrives. Also ask if you can leave If the police are interviewing you, they are trying to PIN a crime on you They are NOT trying to rule you out. Don't be naive. STFU

[@hoppytoad79]

You should actually say, "I want to see a lawyer". The police will be pedantic as hell and if all you say is "lawyer". That's extremely non-specific and they (will pretend to) have no idea what you mean by "lawyer". Do you want one? They don't know! Is your father one? Your mother? Your best friend? Your dead uncle's cousin's best friend's college roommate? Did you see a lawyer on TV? Do you want to become a lawyer? Who knows? So, no lawyer is coming your way because that serves their purposes of keeping you talking without legal council present for as long as possible. They're tricksy, the police, and they'll exploit. Every. Single. Loophole. They. Can. Find. To serve their interests, so don't give them any. "I want to speak to a lawyer". Do not say anything else. No explanations, no elaborations, because ANYTHING you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

[@vykyr]

Reminds me of when i was in high school a little. There was a girl I hated, but no malicious intent toward. I was dragged into the office and there was a cop in there, and they accused me of saying I was going to kill her. I had NEVER said such a thing. They wouldnt listen to me though, and eventually said "we'll just ask everyone in that class". I wasnt exactly well liked, and everyone knew I hated her. It wouldnt have taken much to get others to say I had, when at the time they said it happened, literally no one but me and one friend were in the room. I ended up having to confess that I had, because it would have been worse if I didn't and everyone ganged up on me. Ended up in ISS for 3 days and got in huge trouble for it, even though I hadn't done anything wrong. It still pisses me off to think about 10 years later.

[@DisgruntledArtist]

I got into a somewhat similar situation before, but after they punished me (basically telling me to chill in a room for a while) I wrote an extended letter laying out exactly why I thought what they were doing was unfair, that it was ultimately her accusation against mine, that they were being incredibly biased, etc., and uh... once they read it they agreed I was correct and cancelled the punishment. I don't remember if they actually apologised - it was sort of a bittersweet victory, but getting it on paper did help me sort through my thoughts. I'm sorry it didn't work out so well for you. :(

[@Googledeservestodie]

The same thing happened to me all the time! Mom put me in the Special Ed (I was never disabled psychs have said so, we just didn't get a long and she wanted to punish me) and from that day on if anybody needed to blame somebody for something, they would pick me. Why would anyone believe what the r-word says right?

[@osvaldomedina173]

what is ISS?

[@meanmommy77]

​​@@osvaldomedina173in school suspension. You're just isolated from all the other students and have to do your class work with the other kids also in ISS. Like a mini school jail.

[@troybaxter]

​@@osvaldomedina173In School Suspension

[@haileydee9954]

The only four words to say when talking to police: "I want a lawyer"

[@cmhughes8057]

Say it on repeat as needed.

[@drrocketman7794]

I wish to exercise my 5th amendment rights.

[@digigalbytes2445]

Or three words: lawyer, lawyer, lawyer!

[@FuriosaSonoran]

Don't even say that! Because then they'll still expect a response... lawyers are in business only because the gov and legislation allows them to be the mouth piece of a fraudulent industry.

[@troybaxter]

​@@digigalbytes2445or 100 words. Lawyer. Lawyer. Lawyer... Lawyer. Lawyer. And Lawyer.

[@sherryberry4577]

Never ever talk to a detective. Especially if you're innocent

[@steviewolfeofficial]

I'm glad more are starting to recognize that detectives are not inherently good people. Copaganda in TV and movies got a bit out of hand over the years it seems.

[@hoppytoad79]

There are two things you should say to them: 1) "Am I under arrest?" If so, then 2) "I want to speak to a lawyer".

[@benjie128]

I recall a story of a guy, i forget his name, that had been in a home invasion. The other house occupant had been killed and he'd been shot in the face. The police were interrigating him and took them hours to realize the reason he was complaining of a headache and saying gibberish was because he was a victim. The interrigation prevented him from getting immediate medical care, which iirc contributed to him later developing seizures which he died from years later.

[@hoppytoad79]

Mr. Ballen did a video on that.

[@nnglnd]

I remember it . The police were evil.

[@auroramichael1110]

I saw that interrogation. I’ve been a medic for five years and it pissed me tf off. The cop denied the injury, just assuming he got punched while the bullet was still in his brain. Yes, people survive being shot in the head. That officer got three years in prison, which is barely anything in light of his criminal negligence.

[@benjie128]

@@hoppytoad79 I think I remember hearing it first from That Chapter.

[@ScallywagArtist]

This comment should be pinned

[@timothywilliams2252]

Fun fact: the 1st time John E. Reid used his technique in 1955, he obtained a false confession

[@bigdsson]

Funner fact, the Reid Technique is outlawed in the European Union and has been dropped by the Canadians.

[@owlighting826]

@@bigdsson In switzerland, cops are taught that this technique will give you false confessions or half confessions (the suspect who understands he's being manipulated will stop talking). The police here is not allowed to lie or claim something not verified. I've talked to a cop who wrote the "manual" and "method" used here and he told me that what worked best is empathy (real empathy), listening and force the suspect to face the reality of their lie (asking lots of questions so he makes a mistake and says something that is objectively false). When i see what cops do in the states, i honestly wouldn't feel safe around them... whatever you say will be used against you... what's funny is that they even tell you that when they arrest you but people are taught to trust cops when all they want is a confession and close the case... Even in my country, i don't trust cops yet they are bound to different rules...

[@TheS197King]

Please tell me this Is a joke🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤣

[@Taakabron211]

​@@owlighting826 so you talked to John E. Reid since he's the one that wrote the manual & method used here'?

[@owlighting826]

@@Taakabron211 I think you didn't understand what I said... I did talk to a detective who developed big parts of the manual in Switzerland. We don't use Reid's techniques that have shown it will only get you false confessions or trick into admitting something you didn't do because of the way Reid's techniques manipulate. As I said, I was talking about Switzerland and why we have other methods.

[@VarianAlastair]

As a survivor of narcissistic abuse, to me this seems to be nothing but intense, focused gaslighting... and it's horrifying.

[@eddyram4932]

That is completely correct, the police will lie to you and they face no repercussions. So the best thing to do is to not talk to them.

[@got_rats]

🙄

[@LexYeen]

that's because that's what it is.

[@jasonreed1352]

You are correct. Also, there is no creature alive today who is not also a survivor of narcissistic accuse. A fact which does not diminish what you experienced.

[@nerdyali4154]

Well, obviously they are allowed to lie to you. How else are they going to put pressure on sociopathic criminal scumbags? What do you expect them to say? "We have no evidence Mr Multiple Murderer, but would you kindly confess?" or "We have a witness, think about what you say now".

[@Alkemisti]

I'm not American, and I have never set my foot on American soil, but an American career criminal once told me that if I ever find myself in the interrogation room of American cops, there are three rules I need to follow no matter what happens: 1. Don't say anything. 2. Don't sign anything. 3. Don't touch anything. According to him, they would not need your words if they had evidence.

[@hoppytoad79]

Amendment to #1: Two things to say: 1) Ask "Am I under arrest?" (unless you already know you're under arrest). If they say 'no', leave. If they say 'yes', then say 2) "I want to speak to a lawyer now", and that should be your answer to any/everything they ask you after that until a lawyer arrives.

[@etherealessence]

Evidence has to be argued in court. "Your honor, here's a signed confession from the defendant" is MUCH harder to fight. Regardless of the evidence, they WILL sit you down in that room. How hard they try to get you to talk will tell you how much evidence they have.

[@NightridingDoom]

1) Lawyer. 2) and 3) checks outr anywhere, not only in America. It's especially true in small european countries like Estonia.

[@PitboyHarmony1]

"Canadian Mounted Police recently adopted it but there has been significant push back by Mounties who claim that it's significantly hinders their investigations" .... in other words, they get less false confessions, therefore have to work harder to actually find the guilty party ... so on paper their 'investigations' are hindered.

[@VosperCDN]

I wouldn't trust the Mounties on anything useful regarding policing. They simply ride on their past glories and muddle their way along - look at some of the reports about bad practices and policies. Their behaviour during the spree shooting in eastern Canada was one inexcusable series of sad events in which innocent people could have been saved.

[@eriknervik9003]

In western countries virtually everyone arrested is guilty. When you see “false confessions” they’re 1) statistically non existent and 2) usually made by people who are actually retarded or mentally ill. You’re only even brought to the interrogation room because there’s evidence pointing to your guilt in the first place

[@Kiwi-ICU-RN]

As a lawyer once said to me: “none of my clients ever made their case better by talking to the police”. Lol

[@memphetic]

It's almost as if he stands to gain something by being hired

[@marahaquala1686]

Thanks for the information

[@JoeRogansForehead]

@@mempheticyou have to be an idiot to talk to police . Nobody has ever explained their way out of a crime, but thousands have talked there way into one

[@KurtisC93]

"None of my clients ever made their case better by talking to the police." ☝🏻 Every defense attorney ever.

[@claytondennis8034]

The reid technique: 3 parts in 9 steps Beating it in 2 steps: 1) Get a lawyer. 2) Don't talk to police. If you have to, don't speak to police without your lawyer present.

[@RabidBeast45]

Or you can beat it in one. Don't confess to something you didn't do. If they actually have enough evidence to lock you up what will a confession actually do? Nothing. It will not change a single thing. Just because the police can legally lie to you does not mean you are legally required to believe them. The cameras and microphones will record you and the interrogators so you just have to keep to your story and not confess to something you did not do. It literally is that simple.

[@nerdyali4154]

@@RabidBeast45 You are dangerously naive. There's a video on youtube featuring an ex detective and a defence lawyer. They both say unequivocally, DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO AND HAVE A LAWYER PRESENT IF YOU MUST! You can make a factual error in your interview or you can phrase something in a way that looks defensive on a transcript. There is often an innocent fact that can coincidentally be made to look consistent with guilt. Prosecutors are expert in making hay out of such things. Don't take my word for it, believe lawyers and detectives.

[@NightridingDoom]

Lawyer and no talk. In every. fucking. country. lawyer and don't talk. your only word coming out of your mouth is lawyer. lawyer. lawyer. lawyer. lawyer@@RabidBeast45

[@Sumowning]

As a kid, there was a small group of kids going around causing problems. I never really liked that sorta thing and stayed out of it, then I was visiting a friend across this group one day and waited for him outside his house. Saw one of the kids in that group do some more annoying bullshit that's uncalled for, some time later I got called in Asking if i was participating in that. I denied everything ofcourse since i had no involvement, but did see it. However they kept on changed it to I was participating in it. When I wouldn't budge they lied and said that a friend in that group who knew me had already confessed and told them I was participating and that it's better to confess. I got really anxious and ended up just agreeing to it because i don't do well in stressful situations. It was severe, but it was like a small community punishment, but still to this day pisses me off that they'd basically gaslight a child into confessing, it's fucking wild.

[@erikburzinski8248]

we need to make it so police cant do this

[@dork_mork6953]

They prey on young, marginalized, neurodivergent, and those with mental health issues especially. They are currently fucking over a queer friend of mine with depression, anxiety, ptsd, and autism because they lied to him about evidence and pressured him into a false confession. He's innocent. This will undoubtedly follow him for the rest of his life all because his mind was especially predisposed to their manipulation. The US is such utter dystopian horseshit.

[@user-nu8in3ey8c]

@@erikburzinski8248 If you want to do that, do your part to inform at least one other person that they should not speak to interviewers without a lawyer present, tell people to remain silent, spread the word.

[@NightridingDoom]

Also illegal, sue the party responsible for emotional damages. and everything else your lawyer tells you can sue them for

[@timm8860]

The thing that I never see addressed is that even innocent people can be nervous or scared of being wrongly found guilty. So what’s the difference from nervousness from that and nervousness from concealing actual guilt?

[@glenbateman5960]

None.

[@rnopes21]

Nothing. But that's not their concern.

[@lebby1688]

Something people rarely consider or even know about is that those with early childhood trauma often appear more deceptive than they average person. This is because at a young age they learned that simply telling the truth wasn't enough to be believed. So they often feel they must go into far more detail and elaborate things more. Often this is taught to be a sign of someone concocting a story. On top of that they usually learned that those in authoritative positions are unlikely to be on their side therefore they might be quicker to give up when they aren't believed, even if they are innocent.

[@jrmckim]

Very true

[@LexYeen]

cannot tell y'all how many times that trauma response got me called a liar. like, I'm literally describing the sequence of events - whatever they happen to have been - to the best of my ability because of how my abusers never fucking believed me _without_ that level of detail, and I get told to my face to stop lying. like, what?

[@jonh284]

The opposite is also true in that a trauma response can create a liar. Here’s the recipe: Use excessive punishment for any infraction, however minor and use punishment to clarify poorly defined rules and/or to define previously undefined rules. This is a sure way to trigger a self-preservation response of increasing deceit from hiding the truth, to distorting the truth, to outright lying/fabricating to avoid any degree of punishment at this level. Such a parent/guardian/authority used to tell me that if I told the truth, the consequences would be less severe than if I lied. Unfortunately, the “lesser” was bad enough I chose to take my chances…and eventually it started to work. I got good at lying. Fortunately, I was moved out of that home at an early enough age that I eventually learned the world, on average, was a lot more fair than what I had grown up with. Still, it took until my early/mid 20s to be comfortable with owing up to my mistakes/missteps truthfully and accepting the consequences. My point is, it can cut both ways. On one hand, childhood trauma can set you on a path that you can be so afraid of not being believed that you tell the unbelievable truth, or that you’ve become so good at avoiding the consequences that you can weave a completely believable lie. I just hope that anyone that finds themselves in either of those boats can find there way out of it as I did.

[@The_Pariah]

A quick guide to dealing with cops and observing your rights: If a cop asks you a question, you inform them "I don't answer questions". Do not answer ANY questions they ask you. Ever. EVER. Ask if you're being detained. If yes, you have to stay there. Make sure to record the incident, ensure body cams are on, and get their cards or at least their names and badge numbers. Know if you're in a stop and ID state. About ~half of the states in the US. If you're not in a stop and ID state, don't let a cop stop and ID you. The only time you have to give your license is if you're operating a motor vehicle and are pulled over. Then you're REQUIRED. You do not have to give anything else other than proof of insurance. You do not have to give your phone number, date of birth, SSN, or any other information. They have everything they need. Again, ANY question your asked you respond with "I don't answer questions". Or you can say "I choose to exercise my 5th amendment right." (sadly, there are actually some cops that don't know what the amendments are...) Remember that a cop needs RAS to stop you (Reasonable Articulate Suspicion). Reasonable meaning that the average person should be able to look at the facts and would go "Yeah, that makes sense." Articulate meaning they should be able to tell you in plain words what crime they have "Suspicion" of you committing. If there's no RAS, they have no right to detain you any longer. This is when it becomes a violation of your 4th amendment rights. Your body is being unreasonably seized by the police officer at this point. You can ask if you're free to leave at any time. This is not a 1 time thing. If a reasonable amount of time has passed, ask again. Make them repeat their RAS and point out any facts that go against it. If you feel a cop is out of line, that you've been falsely arrested, or you think your rights are being violated, ask to speak with their superior. In most places, a supervisor is usually required to come at request. They may or may not agree with you. Regardless, it always helps to have more people there and more body cams recording in case you need to take this situation to court. If they were infringing on your rights and multiple cops missed it, then multiple cops should be getting in trouble. You may inadvertently contributing to the removal of a corrupt/compromised supervisor. And there are plenty of them out there. As soon as an officer tells you "You have the right to remain silent", you are officially under arrest. *Ask for a lawyer and then SHUT THE HELL UP!* Do not say anything. If a cop asks you any quesitons while arrested, the correct response is "I don't answer questions. Lawyer." Or "I choose to exercise my right to remain silent. Lawyer." The point is, tell them you want a lawyer. They should not be asking you any further questions if you've requested to speak with a lawyer. 99.9% of the time, talking to a cop is NOT beneficial to you in any way, shape, or form! Even if you're inarguably innocent and have nothing to do with what they're investigating, you can still get yourself in legal trouble by talking to a cop (in the most absurd and fucked up ways you can imagine). All talking does is harm you! The other big thing to remember: *Excercising your right to remain silent is never ever an admission of guilt!!* Don't ever think that. It's a fundamental RIGHT we have and one that we've been shamed into not using. "Oh if they've got nothing to hide, why not talk to the cops?" Go to hell with that mentality. It's the cops job to catch bad guys and do it by the books. We're doing it by the books! If they want the bust, make them gather the evidence and do their job. Don't do it for them and don't give them ammo to use. You're refusing to give the police information that can be *USED AGAINST YOU*. Request a lawyer and then keep quiet. Also, don't be an asshole to the cop. Even if they deserve it. It doesn't help the situation and can usually make it worse b/c you'll damage their fragile, blue pride and egos. It also makes you look like a douch bag to anyone reviewing the body cams/your recordings. There's no scenario where acting like that helps you but there are many scenarios where it can make things worse for you. OK, that's about all I got for this massive comment. Know your rights, people! Learn them! Learn the amendments. Learn if you're in a stop and id state. Learn learn learn. Knowledge has always been power but in this century it's more true now than ever.

[@SuperFranzs]

Thank you.

[@macheath703]

Good comment but a cop doesn't have to bring a supervisor on request. It isn't a McDonalds

[@The_Pariah]

@@macheath703 I encourage you to educate yourself on that topic.

[@Netbase2000]

As someone with a anxiety disorder being wrongly accused is one of my nightmares. Noone would believe me

[@catfan913]

never talk to the police without a lawyer present

[@auroramichael1110]

“I want a lawyer,” and the interrogation stops. I understand and feel the fear, but you have rights. We won’t be gaslighted.

[@PhantomCat-wm8dt]

i have a speech impediment and god i feel the same as you do, because i know i will probably sound like the most suspect man on the entire planet no matter what

[@jan_Sanku]

i have autism, and this whole technique just falls apart in the worst ways. i'm glad i don't live in the us.

[@ThZuao]

You can't be convicted based on an interrogation. Unless you turn yourself in saying you did it. They will still trial you and the case can be dismissed based on lack of evidence. Being detained and being imprisoned are not the same thing. You can be detained while investigations are undergoing based on a false confession, as a precautionary measure. But you haven't been sentenced, so you're in a cell, but you're not in prison. Evidence has to be collected and presented in court. You have the right to a lawyer present. Don't say anything other than confirming your identity and "I have the right to a lawyer". You'll even be helping the police by minimizing the time they waste on the wrong person.

[@TimDwg]

Parents - teach your kids to never ever talk to the police even if they’re innocent. I’ve taught mine this and reiterated it over and over again. I have friends who are in LE and this is what they tell their own children. They know interrogators are pros and can convince people to confess to crimes to minimize damage. Always always always get a lawyer even if you stay the night in jail.

[@mariusvanc]

These guys are professionals. Like that cop in that famous "never talk to police" lecture said: would you get into a boxing rink with Mike Tyson? You're going to lose.

[@icp7201]

I don't think they are all that good actually. Most confessions come from long interrogations, sometimes longer than 12h, and, at that point, any person would confess to anything just to get out of that situation. It's mostly mental and psychological abuse until they get to hear what they want. It's not "masterful" or "professional". It's brute force and torture. And btw, the whole "behavioural analysis" and "body language experts" thing is mostly bullshit. Tests made with cops, investigators and experts didn't perform better than 50% when discerning when another person was telling the truth or not. At this efficiency, it's basically a guessing game. Remeber folks, detectives and investigators are not the suave geniuses you see them depicted as in TV. They are basically cops without uniform, the same losers who peaked in High School and who power trip all the time

[@RabidBeast45]

I will never understand the ameircan mentality of instilling distrust or even hatred in police. It just seems like a self fulfilling prophecy that cops will be worse to the general public as the general public behaves badly towards them, which leads to more cruelty from police and so on and so on. I live in a european country that is part of the EU so I've lived in many different places and police are always the first people I ask for help while I still have not met any locals. Instead of teaching your kids to distrust them, why not teach them their right to leave or stay true to their story of innocence? I cannot in any way, shape or form imagine a scenario where any amount of pressure or intimidation will make me falsely confess to a crime. North american society is from another world, in my eyes at least. Videos like these certainly do not help the relation between police and civilians improve, I can say that with certainty.

[@rosesanderson4625]

​@@RabidBeast45when any interaction can end in maiming or death it's deserved. People of color and the disabled are particularly at risk. It's not a few bad cops making everyone look bad. It's a corrupt system that will chew you up if you get caught up in it. If you think you'd hold up well after 12+ hours of continuous questioning, well, good on you.

[@ostrich67]

@@RabidBeast45 Wait until it happens to you. You're not American are you?

[@mariusvanc]

There are no "safeguards" in the interrogation room. Once police have you in there because they believe you're guilty, they're not just going to let you go. You're the guy, and they're not looking for any other suspects, no matter what you say. Never engage in these, always aske for a lawyer and stop talking, repeatedly keep asking for a lawyer whenever they keep talking to you.

[@DBZHGWgamer]

If you've actually been arrested, then yes, generally it means the police are already convinced you were the one who did it. If you haven't been arrested yet, then be aware you're allowed to get up and walk out at any time for any reason or no reason.

[@MorgenPeschke]

​@DBZHGWgamer this is critical because many "confessions" are extracted after 5+ hour interviews. This is terrifying in light of supermarket studies that show that after 40 minutes of shopping, you run out of willpower and stop making decisions rationally, instead make decisions emotionally. After hours in a super stressful and emotionally manipulative environment, you'd confess to killing George Washington, just to make it stop.

[@richardrobertson1886]

To invoke your right to silence you have to articulate it. If you don’t affirmatively invoke your right to silence they will use your silence against you - strange I know.

[@DBZHGWgamer]

@@richardrobertson1886 Not true at all, refusing to speak is never allowed to be used as evidence of guilt in a criminal trial, you do not have to invoke your 5th amendment right by name. It can be used against you in a civil trial though.

[@MrMancreatedgod]

​@@DBZHGWgamerhat he stated is 100% true. To invoke your right you must articulate it. You're going on about things the dude didn't even broach mrgamer youtube law degree

[@triptothemoon8171]

Last Week Tonight did a fantastic piece about Police Interrogations. It’s up on KZbin. Well worth checking out. It’s sickening the lengths police can go to to force a confession

[@sparkyfromel]

Police have manpower pressure to expedite interview , a good suspect tend to be processed to get a confession , without digging too far

[@johngavin2570]

There's one word you should say to police, and only one thing, even if innocent. You can say please if you want, but it's optional. That word shall be repeated when they ask you any question. That word is "lawyer" The easiest way to combat the Reid method is to tell the officer "I don't answer questions" What kind of soda do you like? "I don't answer questions" Where were you last night? "I don't answer questions" Any interrogation requires a participant. The Reid method requires a willing participant. If you're not willing to give them a baseline by answering their questions, they have nothing.

[@johngavin2570]

@Gnomezonbacon it's a lawyer's wet dream of a lawsuit. "My client used his rights to remain silent and you threw the book at him with no direct tangible evidence because you were upset he didn't respond to questioning? That sounds like a personal grudge, and my client cannot be compelled to answer questions." Only downside is you'd have to spend some time in prison in order to win a 5th amendment lawsuit :/

[@hoppytoad79]

The only thing to say is "I want to speak to a lawyer"

[@johngavin2570]

@@hoppytoad79 nope. Just because you say you want to speak to a lawyer doesn't mean they will stop questioning you. You have to also state that you're not answering questions.

[@hoppytoad79]

@@johngavin2570 All you say in response to any questions is, "I want to speak to a lawyer right now".

[@johngavin2570]

@hoppytoad79 they say "they're on the way. But while they're on the way..." and they'll proceed to continue to ask you questions. You're missing the point. Until you make it clear you're not answering questions, regardless of if you ask for your lawyer or not, they will ask you questions. You can say "I want my lawyer" but they can still ask you questions at that point...

[@evanflynn4680]

When they're rejecting the PEACE technique because it hampers their ability to do their job, it's because they get more confessions with the Reid technique and that's all they care about. It looks good for their careers that they always get their confession. It doesn't look good when they don't get a confession, because it meant they wasted hours every time it turned out they were interrogating the wrong person.

[@eriknervik9003]

No, they care about getting guilty offenders off the streets

[@deadx5581]

The way he speaks is just too elegant... Teach us sir!

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

The PEACE (Preparation and Planning, Engage, and Explain, Account, Closure and Evaluate) model developed in Britain "encourages more of a dialogue between investigator and suspect".

[@TraTranc]

There is a very, _very_ easy way to defeat the Reid technique. _"Am I free to go, officer, or am I being detained?"_ If the answer is _"You are not being detained",_ then just get up and leave. If the answer is _"Right now, sir, you are under arrest",_ then cross your arms and say not a single word more than _"Then I wish to exercise my right to an attorney right now."_

[@bobohm21]

Not helpful. If you are detained but not under arrest, then you still can't leave. If you are a witness and are detained because of it, and then refuse to speak, you can end up arrested for aiding a criminal or failing to report a crime, both of which are considered crimes depending on the severity of the crime being investigated.

[@lunachu8691]

Only in the US. No such legal concept as ‘detention’ elsewhere

[@PrimericanIdol]

​​@@bobohm21If you're arrested for such a vague reason, then you got yourself a massive lawsuit in your hands.

[@Dale-TND]

​@@bobohm21how low is your IQ?

[@TraTranc]

@@lunachu8691 are you sure? Because, you know, I live in Italy, and we _do_ have a the legal concept of "detention", it's called "fermo di Polizia"; they also have it in France, it's called "garde à vue"; they also have it in Spain, and Germany, and... basically everywhere else.

[@Monkey_D_Luffy56]

The scary thing is you just wanna help or clear your name that's why you went with the police then suddenly they managed to pull a false confession then you got locked up for decades.

[@TheEgg185]

Who's gonna cut your grass while you're away in prison?

[@LexYeen]

​@@TheEgg185...what?

[@mrN3w7]

@@LexYeen Valid question I'd say...

[@philhunt2797]

Mexicans??

[@docmike8601]

There is an excellent video given by a law professor and a police officer on "why you should never talk to the police." From the Regent University School of Law. It should probably be mandatory watching for anyone.

[@princesssoybean]

Aww but that’ll ruin the prison industrial complex and we won’t have free labo… euhm I mean very bad criminals will evade capture

[@DBZHGWgamer]

@@princesssoybean Eh, most people in jail didn't need to confess anything to go to jail. The thing that really gets innocent people in jail is plea bargaining.

[@EyeKnowRaff]

His book is good too.

[@VosperCDN]

I watch that video, at least the lawyer part of it, every once in a while. It's a great video and there was a follow-up video done a few years later.

[@iceman4660]

As garlic is to a vampire so are the following words to the police - "i want a lawyer". In the same way a potential employer will invite you to an interview, the police are inviting you to a meeting. They think you have something that they want.

[@adammitchell3462]

I've been in the hot seat a few times myself whistle boi and I love your constant advice of always lawyering up no matter what....a person has no idea how good of advice that really is

[@Toshineko]

The fact that this technique is STILL legal to this day baffles me.

[@erikburzinski8248]

agreed

[@hoppytoad79]

It gets the desired results, so why wouldn't it still be legal?😤

[@erikburzinski8248]

@@hoppytoad79 because it has a tendency to create false positives

[@keyboardwarrior6296]

Can't fix stupid.@@erikburzinski8248

[@eriknervik9003]

@@erikburzinski8248 No, it doesn’t. False confessions are statistically non existent. The innocence project is so desperate to find these mythical innocent people that they claimed Julius Jones was innocent despite a DNA match and the Central Park five are innocent despite being linked to the offense by witnesses and non coerced confessions

[@joshuaharrison5297]

Yesss so good to see an episode on Reid technique! Making a murderer is an excellent example of the misuse of the Reid technique. Peace and wicklander zulawksi are the two methods for investigators that are being used in major law enforcement agencies around the world nowadays, because of the misuse of Reid.

[@charlesbryson7443]

Also, remember: they can legally lie to you, but lying to them is a crime.

[@alioramus1637]

Here in Sweden you can lie to the police but by law they are not allowed to lie to you.

[@user-nu8in3ey8c]

@sauliluolajan-mikkola620 It most definitely is in the US, it can constitute Obstruction of Justice.

[@badluck5647]

Before watching the video, I know Simon will say, "Lawyer, lawyer, lawyer."

[@CZPanthyr]

This is exactly why the only thing that should be said to an investigator is "I would like a lawyer." (At least here in the US.)

[@grindeyyyyy]

Don’t mess with the police if you can’t play chess

[@hoppytoad79]

"I want to speak to a lawyer" is what you should say. "I would like to speak to a lawyer" is something they can find a loophole in, and they absolutely will.

[@ThatDrummaDave]

It's kind of mind bending how many parallels there are between this and popular sales techniques

[@RufusTodd]

"This is not usually done maliciously [citation needed]."

[@Bombadil-ez9ns]

If you're in the US, there is a simple workaround for this. If the police show up, and you didn't call them, invoke the right to remain silent under the 5th Amendment, ask for a lawyer, and then remain silent as long as they try to get you to talk.

[@chasel.9704]

This is good advice, but it is worth mentioning that you WILL be locked up if you’re a suspect, even if you do this. Even then, remain silent. Talk ONLY to your attorney. No matter your finances, you are guaranteed an attorney for crimes, and even a young court-ordered defense attorney is better than nothing.

[@knurlgnar24]

Not true. You cannot be locked up as a suspect unless LE has substantial evidence. A hunch isn't enough. Just shut your mouth and ask to leave over and over until they let you go. If you're in a holding cell it's too late - lawyer up.@@chasel.9704

[@tammyblankenship8742]

And often times, they will still try and pressure you to talk. Even after continuously requesting an attorney.

[@Bombadil-ez9ns]

@tammyblankenship8742 Yes, but you can inform your attorney when he/she arrives that they did this. It will work to your advantage in a courtroom.

[@tammyblankenship8742]

@@Bombadil-ez9ns If you can't afford an attorney, you generally don't get one until your first day of court. That can be a while after the police try to interrogate you and they often try to interrogate in hopes of trying to wear you down. Telling my attorney didn't help me or my case. Yes, mine was court appointed.

[@rb5078]

As a neurodivergent person, I can mask very well for a short period of time, but definitely not for hours of interrogation. It’s terrifying to even think about.

[@ostrich67]

Just say "I invoke my right to remain silent and to speak to a lawyer". No matter what they promise you or how they threaten you. I'm neurodivergent too.

[@dork_mork6953]

Same here friend, I hope we never have to and pray we remember to stay quiet and lawyer up if we do.

[@angelinahilton1234]

My mom(neurodivergent like me) pleaded guilty bc Macys claimed she stole hundreds (that she had a receipt for) just because she was stressed and on the verge of a meltdown in store(looked nervous =guilty) , she couldn’t stand being in custody, sensory-wise and emotionally, and even though she had security camera footage that *proved without a doubt* she didn’t steal anything, she pled guilty after multiple months of being locked up and delays with court and just wanting to go home(to us kids). Shit is fucked up.

[@wfb.subtraktor311]

​@@angelinahilton1234The fact this can happen in the US boggles my mind as someone from Germany. I am glad our police is a lot.more accomodating of neurodivergent people. The one time I had to deal with them they were very understanding and let me go at my own pace to give my testimony. It was a very reassuring and pleasant experience.

[@cc1drt]

@@ostrich67 you mean dumb asf?

[@Livingston_Seagull]

There are a few amazing channels that show real interrogations, pausing to explain body language and interrogation techniques in detail. Among the most gripping videos I‘ve seen on KZbin.

[@happymaskedguy1943]

If you are detained or arrested, never ever talk to the police without a lawyer present. No small talk. The only words are ‘I want my lawyer’.

[@pakde8002]

And your one phone call is recorded.

[@NarwahlGaming]

Don't even answer when they ask, _"How you doing?"_ while behind you in line at the convenience store. Every interaction is an investigation.

[@dark_baphomet]

I get stressed out constantly so I'm terrified of this because it's kinda like polygraph tests, if you get stressed cause the police are questioning then you're gonna react even if innocent and I hate legal stuff and fear getting trapped in something I don't understand fully or misspeaking somehow and it being taken the wrong way etc

[@catfan913]

never talk to the police without a lawyer present

[@johnnycircus7463]

As a former/recovering LEO trained in Reid, for those in the US, allow me to give you the single best bit of advice you’ll ever get in these circumstances: Answer ****EVERY**** question, regardless of subject, with “I exercise my right to remain silent, and my right to an an attorney.” Full. Stop.

[@fordid42]

One of my friends who is also a retired LEO trained in Reid said the same thing. Also pointed out that cops are Law Enforcement and not really Public Protectors. Told me to think about that one.

[@EscargoBay]

It's ridiculous when watching these interview videos. Detectives asking the suspect why they're acting so nervous, when they're locked in a tiny room being grilled mercilessly for hours by two burly officers.

[@mikoto7693]

As someone who has legit gone through the arrest process and been interrogated, I can tell you it’s actually way scarier than it seems. (Innocent though I still got arrested and interrogated for it.) You’re suddenly so cut off from everything. All your possessions are forcibly taken from you. Your phone, your keys, your wallet, your cards. You’re all alone, surrounded by enemies and entirely at their mercy. It’s a horrible experience, especially when you’re innocent. All these indignities, being physically locked up in tiny spaces, your possessions effectively stolen by force since you don’t consent and they rip them off you if you don’t cooperate. Cuff off from everything, wondering if the few days of food and water you left for your cats are going to be enough… just horrible. And the worst thing about it is that you want to tell them the truth. You want to explain, to make them see that they’re tormenting the wrong person and wasting time… but you’ve watched stuff like this before so you don’t. I admit that I cracked a little bit, I engaged in small talk with the gentler of the two arresting officers who seemed to actually believe that I was harmless and maybe innocent-though it could have been an act. But I kept it strictly off the case and asked my own questions about police life and some of the crazy things (from my perspective as a civilian) he’d seen. And he responded, it actually helped calm me down. Now, fairness where it is due. This is the UK the we’re talking about and they didn’t bother to cuff me at all. I was civil, polite, cooperative (except for asking for a lawyer on body cam and refusing anything about the case) and pleasant and all times and received the same in return. The custody staff treated me well. I was given plenty of tea, juice, snacks and a hot meal despite it being the middle of the night by the time I got hungry. A couple of them admitted that it was a pleasant change to have a civil and polite prisoner. I’ll never forget the custody officer’s face through the cell hatch when he offered me a meal, I asked what they had and picked the first thing that I liked with a “please” and “thank you” after he acknowledged. He looked shocked. Now, onto the interrogation. Yes I was seated in a corner next to a desk with two cops and my lawyer present. It was actually really hard not to answer his questions even though my lawyer had written a prepared statement for me and VERY firmly advised me to go no comment for the rest of the interview. It was hard. The urge to tell my side of the story was incredible and it only got worse as time passed. A couple times I glanced at my lawyer for reassurance but I managed it. Don’t know how long I was in there but it felt like forever. But it was infuriating when the cop asked me why I was so nervous. I felt like saying “Ok, so you try being plucked from your doorstep with minimal warning by legally-allowed kidnappers, who are legally-allowed to hurt you if you don’t obey their commands. Try being ripped away from your beloved pets which depend on you, not knowing when you’ll get back. Try being sealed away from your family, friends, home, everything you know and placed into a sterile, hostile environment where everyone is your enemy except your lawyer. Try having your most precious belongings stolen from you by force and kept out of your sight where you don’t know what’s happening to them. Try being searched against your will. Try being allowed a single recorded phone call which you refuse out of shame. Try having your picture, DNA and fingerprints taken against your will. Then try being locked in a tiny room for hours with two stranger ruthlessly grilling you with no rest or respite. And… you’re innocent but terrified of being wrongly accused and convicted. THEN come back to me and ask me why I was nervous.

[@Bethgael]

The Reid technique can also be called "how to gaslight your suspect".

[@erichurst7897]

And even knowing all this, one is still susceptible to the technique. Always, always, always have a lawyer when talking to police. Always.

[@thehangmansdaughter1120]

Don't say a damn word without a lawyer. Suspect, witness, it doesn't matter. Get that lawyer and don't say a word until they are with you.

[@CarsCatAliens]

I enjoy watching interrogation/confession videos. Ive watched many. So much so that its hearing the same phrases used in almost all of them... "There are two kinds of people. Ones who make mistakes, and monsters. I dont think youre a monster. Tell us what happened"

[@fordid42]

The number of logical fallacies and gaslighting makes me cringe so hard watching those kinds of videos.

[@user-nu8in3ey8c]

The Reid Technique uses techniques that are very similar to Neuro Linguistic Programming which became popular in the 70s. The founder of NLP, someone with sociopathic tendencies, developed NLP as a way to use rapport, behavioral techniques, and hypnosis to program the human mind like a computer, to control behavior and perception. This makes sense because instead of selling you a car or time share the interviewer in that room is trying to sell you a prison sentence.

[@void_of_trash6678]

When he said its complicated near the end really fits. I do lots of random things at completely random times. I've been told I'm hard to read and I stuggle to get my point across to people I talk to quite a bit and I deal with lots of misunderstandings that causes a lot of avoidable problems in my life.

[@hoppytoad79]

I learned about the Reid Technique when I listened to a series a podcast did on the Memphis Three case. The West Memphis PD coerced confessions out of at least one of the kids falsely convicted of murder, and I know that boy had known intellectual disabilities. I was absolutely enraged and heartbroken over how totally mishandled the case was at the time and how the lives of the boys convicted (and their families) were ruined, not to mention how the actual killer(s) were never caught. My heart totally breaks for the families of the little boys who were killed and how they/their boys were totally denied justice. The role Satanic Panic played cannot be understated, so I'm giving it a mention here. I'm autistic and have ADHD, and mentally shudder at the idea of a detective--who very likely isn't going to know jack squat about people on the spectrum and/or ADHD--drawing conclusions based on behavior. I'm concerned about neurodiverse people as a whole having our behaviors totally misunderstood by neurotypical interrogators, leading to false conclusions of guilt being drawn.

[@1Thatstrangeguy]

My grandfather was a detective for almost 50 years and you guys have no idea how easily a pleasant 15 minute drive can turn into handing over your darkest deepest secrets. Its absolutely uncanning and I cannot describe how good they are at their jobs.

[@ranjittyagi9354]

🍻

[@bpdmf2798]

Even morons get good at things they do a lot. Not saying Grandpa is a moron.

[@ranjittyagi9354]

@@bpdmf2798 so, what do you want now? Gen Z, right?

[@rubensandstrom6824]

You have the four holy words to say when you are interrogated. I want my lawyer

[@fallskjermjeger.]

That was my marriage. Innocence didn't matter, shed push a narrative until I doubted myself- The ex was trained in law enforcement, so this video definitely puts pieces together.

[@MidMo4020]

I beat an interrogation on accident.. twenty plus years ago I was picked up on a misdemeanor weed charge. They arrested me, my wife was to go to the jail and make bond. They took me to a room and an old grumpy cop and a young cop started asking me questions. All I did was have some weed. This went on and I knew there was something they wanted out of me but I had no clue. They went so far as to march my wife past the room so it looked like she was in trouble. By that point I was rather irritated so I said “I’ll confess to whatever you want, but leave her out of it. She never had a speeding ticket” which was true. I married a nice girl. It happens. Grumpy threw his pen down and the young one had a look like he hadn’t trained for that answer. Grumpy said “well, we can’t use that one” and they promptly let me go. I’m not a lawyer but whatever I said took the air out of their questioning. I found out later it was about I matched the description of someone who broke into the school. Small town so they had a particular hard on to catch the guilty party.

[@ongwy66]

I believe that’s because you said “I’ll confess to anything…” on tape? I am no lawyer but that might render anything after that sentence invalid as evidence.

[@marahaquala1686]

You revealed their coercion.

[@sleepydragonzarinthal3533]

"You kept looking down and to the left, you must have been lying" "no, the interrogator kept tapping his pen on his right knee every time he asked a question. was he nervous or trying to trick me into looking guilty?"

[@kylie-chan]

As others have said the best option for you is to flat out say if im not under arrest i would like to leave and if i am under arrest i want a lawyer

[@Pavlos_Charalambous]

Honestly, if I lived in United States I would have been very anxious of whatever the police officers are into

[@jrmckim]

On an individual level, police are just like any other ppl. But when they are 2 or more be weary..

[@Pavlos_Charalambous]

@@jrmckim maybe is my perspective, you know movies, news ect just makes think that they're up to no good

[@ahobimo732]

There are three rules you MUST follow to protect yourself in these situations: 1) Never talk to the police. 2) NEVER talk to the police. 3) N-E-V-E-R talk to the police.

[@erikburzinski8248]

or strick up a conversation about how unethical their integration techniques are and see if you can break him

[@LexYeen]

​@@erikburzinski8248you have clearly never drawn the ire of a police department.

[@NarwahlGaming]

​@LexYeen Exactly. There video of a man who went directly to a police department to file a complaint against an officer. Next thing he knows he's being "subtlety" surrounded by officers asking him questions about his name, address, etc. All on camera.

[@B3Band]

If you're guilty, you shouldn't talk to the people. If you're innocent, you REALLY shouldn't talk to the police.

[@Marcus_Shaw]

Scary stuff. Some years ago I witnessed a minor road traffic accident. A van came speeding from a side road and clattered a car being driven correctly by a teenager. There was an advert in the local paper for witnesses, so I went along to give my statemen, stating my view that the van driver had caused the accident by crossing the junction at excessive speed taking the car driver by surprise. When I tried to suggest the van was speeding and the car driver was not at fault, the police told me that disagreed with all the other witness statements, that I could be prosecuted for perverting the course of justice and if it went to court I would also be prosecuted for purjery. The cop then wrote out his version of events and put it in front of me to sign. I said it was his statement and said he should sign it. Then asked if he was there, and as I knew he wasn't asked why he was so fixed on a version of events for something he never saw. He rolled his eyes and said if I didn't sign I would also be taken to the cells for wasting police time. I was incredulous, I had gone in voluntarily! To my shame I gave in and signed. It was only a minor RTA, they were only going to get a small fine and a few weeks off the roads. No skin off my nose right? My shame. I still don't understand the police's insistence on their pre-decided version of events. I can only assume they decided to convict someone regardless and it was probably easier for them to blame everything on the younger driver. Now I understand, I should never have volunteered a statement. In that circumstance when the policeman started pushing his dishonest agenda I should have stopped the interview and said that I would make a statement only after consulting with legal advice. Then make a complaint to go on their permanent record. But as a wet behind the ears youngster I had been bought up with respect for authority and foolishly still trusted police to be honest at that stage. Flippin' 'eck, how wrong I was. So now when you see vids of kids with no respect for the Police, that's because they've listened to what we've told them and they won't be fooled again👍 Respect and trust should be earned and not freely given and unfortunately the police have progressively put themselves very far back.

[@Ciborium]

This is straight up Gestapo, Stazi, KGB, FSB, FBI level psychological torture. I could definitely see an innocent person being psychologically tortured and gaslighted by the interrogator and convinced to confess to a crime that they didn't commit just to make the interrogation stop.

[@Ridinfixinman]

Correct. People think that the US is a bastion where everyone is free and safeguarded against tyranny - nothing could be further from the truth! We're just as adversarial and crooked as all the governments and letter agencies that you mentioned, just with a shinier wrapper.

[@Indyofthedead]

It shocks me how it seems a lot of people in law enforcement seem to care more about throwing someone in a cell more than they do about actually bringing someone to justice.

[@jessecortez9449]

It's the way the system is engineered. The entire just system is truly closer to a business deal under duress. Honestly, you can go to Dun & Bradstreet and look you local police department just like any other business. You'll see them classified with "Doing Business As..." and the Police Chief as the head of corporation. Every cop is really just a revenue collector but they just don't understand that. Some "good cops" will feel that something is off about the whole system and leave the force but don't dig into understanding it. Throwing someone in a cell is creating a revenue stream far more than anything to do with ethics, morals and justice.

[@HighSpeedChase762]

@@jessecortez9449as a private business owner, I actually have a DUNS number. I have heard this once before and have looked into it but cannot find any of my local agencies. Are you just repeating some BS you’ve seen online or can you actually show this to be true? I can’t replicate it.

[@mikoto7693]

I’ve noticed that too.

[@gutshotgriz3936]

When you hear the words “This is your opportunity”, just think to yourself “this is my opportunity to remain silent and/or ask for a lawyer”. If they believe they have enough to arrest you, they will…and nothing you say will change that.

[@BigMobe]

The police do not speak to you if they have what they need. Even if you are not the person they are looking for you should never talk to them about anything. They are not to be trusted and therefore never should be assisted in any capacity. They will always try to turn your good intentions against you.

[@ellemmenn2930]

Remember; police in the US are legally allowed to lie to you… ask for a lawyer immediately, don’t let the cops guilt you by saying if you’re innocent you don’t need a lawyer… that’s what they’re hoping for… and this is coming from someone raised to respect law enforcement, but the things brought to light with cellphones and bodycam, it’s not ok

[@DebTheDevastator]

Never talk to the police! If asked to come down and talk with the police, get a lawyer! If you're in a room with the police, ask if you can leave, if they say yes leave! Don't let them guilt you or trick you by saying they "just want to clear up some things." They can't keep you unless they are arresting you. If they have arrested you, say, "I need a lawyer. Get me a lawyer. I want a lawyer." They should stop questioning immediately, but if they don't, say that for every question. Know that anything you say after that phrase can't actually be used against you because you asked for a lawyer BUT that won't stop them from trying! They will take you to court and your lawyer will spend that whole discovery phase getting it dismissed.

[@dougstubbs9637]

A former police officer once told me that it takes only smack in the head to get someone to confess, but six hits to get them to stop confessing. He said he has had several dozen people confess to being on the grassy knoll that day !

[@Hotshot2k4]

I don't know about y'all, but near the end of the explanation of the 9 steps, I was prepared to confess to whatever I was being accused of, and I didn't even do anything!

[@ianyoung1106]

Me too and I wasn’t even being interviewed!

[@tom.m]

The 1950s brought us so much. Warrentless wiretapping, coercing confessions, thermonuclear bombs. What a great decade! At least we got Brown vs Board of Education out of it.

[@sadsaint3532]

Lol til that gets overturned

[@pullt]

There were coerced conversations long before the 50s

[@kosherpenguin]

Not if Clarence Thomas has anything to do with it.

[@RevShifty]

There have been coerced concessions ever since police became a thing. Literally. Look at the history of policing in the US, and then notice the first time they were accused of "being a gang with a badge". The more things change, the more they stay the same. In reality, it's treating the police as inherently trustworthy by a majority of the populace that's new.

[@charlesbryson7443]

Nukes were in the 40’s

[@Nyan_Kitty]

Finally!! Simon mentioned this video on a different channel and I've been eagerly awaiting it ever since! 😂

[@Simcitywok]

Ried-Police: “we want to help you, let us help you, you are a good person” Actual police: “we’re too busy to look for the person that stole your bike” (even though you have 4K footage of the crime)

[@meatharbor]

"I politely decline to answer any questions or issue any statements outside the presence of an attorney."

[@derekrotondo8315]

I spent 9 years on the Reid technique. Trust me when I tell you, you are going to confess. Your actual guilt is irrelevant.

[@PrimericanIdol]

What if you're just so stubborn to the point where they can't get you past "I'd like to speak to an attorney, and I will not answer any questions without one." ?

[@derekrotondo8315]

@@PrimericanIdol This is ALWAYS the correct answer when dealing with police. I was a heck of an investigator, so I usually had the goods on someone before I spoke with them, but boy oh boy can I fish

[@wren_.]

not if i’m annoying enough

[@turdle837]

@@derekrotondo8315 How would you proceed if you get stuck due to the person being aware of the technique and simply deny all accusations adamantly, like explained at 11:10 ?

[@derekrotondo8315]

@@turdle837 Lie. "That's what I figured, Turdle, this is just some BS I have to do for the paperwork. Everyone gets in a huff with this crime. But look, we do have someone who thinks you were there that night, can you run me through this again so the boss can let me close this out?" And I'll find something to pick apart

[@BBCharger5spd]

God Damn Simon... you ruffled some feathers here in the comment section. Aside from the 99% of people saying "don't talk to the cops" - I actually liked the video - it is very informative and does a good job at scratching the surface of the technique. There is some more little things involved but you guys killed it as always! Remember that the REID technique is one of several methods used by investigators. I also do like the idea that you mention the REID is supposed to be used for subject interviews only - all these commenters don't realize you can be pulled into an interview room for other reasons such as a witness interview where this technique is never used.

[@JamVar]

To quote Simon, the Casual Criminalist: LAWYER LAWYER LAWYER LAWYER LAWYER

[@chrisbenefield9963]

The only time I’ve ever been interrogated me. Was when I had drugs delivered to my house, it turned out to be a controlled delivery. The public defender said had I not spoken to them I could have gotten off. But they had threatened to go back to my house and arrest my girlfriend who later became my wife and charge her with everything I was charged with. I was pretty sure when it happened they couldn’t haven proven my guilt, but after they mentioned her I said I’ll pled guilty to anything you want. I knew even if she was able to get off she would still have been held in pretrial detainment. She’s never had so much as a speeding ticket in her life and I couldn’t do that to her. In the end I got a year in prisonwhic( got reduced to 6 months for good behavior and 3 years supervised probation which was ended at 2 years for good behavior. Unfortunately threatening to charge loved ones or family members isn’t considered duress.

[@justb4116]

Someone had a very similar story few posts up " @MidMo4020 4 days ago I beat an interrogation on accident.. twenty plus years ago I was picked up on a misdemeanor weed charge. They arrested me, my wife was to go to the jail and make bond. They took me to a room and an old grumpy cop and a young cop started asking me questions. All I did was have some weed. This went on and I knew there was something they wanted out of me but I had no clue. They went so far as to march my wife past the room so it looked like she was in trouble. By that point I was rather irritated so I said “I’ll confess to whatever you want, but leave her out of it. She never had a speeding ticket” which was true. I married a nice girl. It happens. Grumpy threw his pen down and the young one had a look like he hadn’t trained for that answer. Grumpy said “well, we can’t use that one” and they promptly let me go. I’m not a lawyer but whatever I said took the air out of their questioning. I found out later it was about I matched the description of someone who broke into the school. Small town so they had a particular hard on to catch the guilty party." Both of you used the same 'will confess to anything' but got different outcomes

[@DisgruntledArtist]

While I appreciate everybody here is insisting you should never say anything to police, I think it's important to bear in mind that like the police have an obligation to stop asking crime-relevant questions once you ask for a lawyer, you have obligations as a citizen as well. Namely, you are obligated to ID yourself (typically) and, at least in the US, are obligated to get out of the vehicle and possibly be detained if the officer says so. If they've done so illegally, that's fine, go along with it and sue them later. But in the moment? Do it. Don't just repeat "I don't answer questions" in response for ID requests, or refuse to leave your vehicle, because that's the sort of behaviour that makes them suspicious and can lead to you being (legally) dragged out of your vehicle. Also remember that police asking for ID is like... the first thing they do to literally everybody. They aren't picking on you if they do it, it's just a mundane part of their job. So, yeah, outside of those two things you can lawyer up and refuse to say anything else - and that's probably a good idea. Just remember that you do have to cooperate with them on *some* things because otherwise you can get yourself arrested and (successfully) charged with resisting arrest/interfering with police investigation over something as mundane as them trying to give you a warning over a broken tail light or out-of-date tag. Don't screw up your month because you dislike cops, basically.

[@MultiTipsie]

Wow! So glad with your video! As I have been a police officer/detective myself, worked in jail with psychiatric and volatile inmates and as a bouncer for decades, I am very interested in the working of the human mind! Therefor, interrogation video's like here on YT are in itself very interesting to watch! However, they all come accompanied with, IMHO, terrible narrating comments on why, what, how and when a suspect does what he does and says what he says! Most of the time telling the viewer exactly why the suspect did that and what it means! And most is complete BS or just one of very many options! But besides it being very annoying and disturbing the actual interesting video, it also let people belief in absolutes that when somebody says something similar in certain situations or show certain behavior, it will always mean this or that! Which undoubtedly lead, and already have led, to numerous misjudgments in real life! It is actually very dangerous as such, to bring out such video's! And the algorithm of YT gave me multiple examples of such video's in the past week, after watching one of of them (probably that's why I see your video here now too, although I already follow your other channel(s) already for a while). And the comments I gave here, I also gave in the comments on those video's. However, the producers (or at least the ones placing those video's) are immediate irritated and give me feedback on how right they are and how wrong I am! Your video is the first I see here who explicitly warns for the danger of the Reid technique and traps that come along with it! As I commented on those video's already! They should come with some disclaimer IMHO to explain that multiple options are possible and that this "knowledge" should not be practiced in real life by untrained people. (In a clear way too!) So, thanks for your perspective and explanation and let's hope it will make up a bit for the damage done and is going to be done in the future, because of the careless narrating just in order to satisfy the public.

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

How is 'behaving uncomfortably' unnatural while being interrogated a 'tell'?

[@PhenomRom]

Every single thing you do is a “tell”. If you’re nervous, you’re guilty. Not nervous? Red flag. Probably guilty.

[@UnknownUser-fe5zu]

It’s pretty simple. Don’t talk to police. Ever. It’s your right.

[@dork_mork6953]

Yes, but lawyer up always. If you don't explicitly ask for one or other related things (like "am i under arrest" and "am i free to leave?") then it gets tricky.

[@nocturnalverse5739]

Pro tip: You can't confess if you don't communicate. The don't talk to police video is still out there. First part is a law professor. Second part is a detective giving specific examples of why you shouldn't talk to him. Anything that is worth knowing that the police know will be disclosed in the legal process. The police can lie to you so they aren't a good source of information about why you are being interrogated or suspiciously questioned. "What happened? Why am I here? What evidence do they have that can hurt me?" You will find out soon, you don't need to ask the detective. All that must be disclosed during the legal process and they can't lie about it legally. Once the law is involved, you must become the most patient person on earth. Ask for a laywer. When they ask you if you are sure in whatever way they will ask, ask for a lawyer again. If they don't stop the questioning once you have asked for a lawyer, their case is dead. Assume nothing you know about the law is valid because a lot of it will have been informed by cop/lawyer/crime shows.

[@nicholeayt509]

It's sad but this is probably life saving information. Every person should know and understand these techniques and that you have the right to leave or get council.

[@giantred]

"I am invoking my right to an attorney" That is all you say. Nothing more, nothing less. You have a right to remain silent, use that right. Oh, also, do not accept their "Kind" offer for a drink and keep the things you touch to an absolute minimum.

[@EricGranata]

“I don’t answer questions.”

[@davidslate2005]

I throw the entire system out. I stutter when I talk and stutter worse when under pressure but less stutter when angry. And when trying to force out a word I may move around and move my hands and clench my eyes. A defense lawyer would blow up the DA's case with my history.

[@boggledegop]

lol, love the little jeff cameo there editor, that guy knew how to play the game.

[@skoomaaddict256]

They'll put people into an anxiety inducing situation and then say that those signs of anxiety mean they're guilty. It's so fucking unethical what they do.

[@dork_mork6953]

Literally

[@dyslexicboogaloo]

I just watched a story on a case where an elderly couple was brutally murdered. Investigators couldn’t find any evidence so they just latched onto the son-in-law and in later interviews he said everything he put forth attempting to clear his name made them more convinced he was guilty. He was late for the memorial because the cops showed up to search his house. Months later a friend of the killer called and turned him in. The son-in-law has no legal recourse because it’s up to him to prove there was malicious intent behind the actions of the officers.

[@TheCrazyCapMaster]

This is why I think qualified immunity as it exists today is severely flawed. In its original form, it was a defense that officers needed to prove they deserved, which shouldn’t be terribly hard if you’re doing your job carefully and correctly- police officers do need some legal protection for the riskier aspects of the job; but it later got flipped to being an automatic shield and prosecution now has to convince a judge that they should even hear the case in the first place.

[@oblivionsa7973]

@@TheCrazyCapMaster Qualified immunity is ridiculous. Cops should have to carry malpractice insurance, and pay for it themselves, just like nurses or doctors. If a cop makes enough mistakes or violates enough rights eventually insurance will refuse coverage and he'll be out permanently. As it is now a terrible cop can be fired for gross violation of rights, including physical abuse, but be immediately hired at the department the next town over and do it all again. Since judgements against officers are effectively paid by the taxpayer and the blue wall of silence protects even the worst officers, there is absolutely zero incentive for them to behave themselves. Eliminate qualified immunity and start taking lawsuits out of their pay/pension and things will turn around before you can blink. Body cams should be rolling every second of their shift and turning it off, muting it, blocking it's view, or the all too frequent "corrupted footage" should result in an immediate decision against the officer or department. What good are body cameras that can be turned off at will or have the footage conveniently disappear before trial?

[@Nefville]

Basically all of the comments are some variation of _never talk to the police._ If you want to know why, even when you're innocent, the best video explaining it on this platform is by Regent University School of Law called Don't Talk to the Police. HIGHLY recommend watching it.

[@mz555]

I see several comments about just "not talking" as a solution. Unfortunately, an often overlooked aspect of the criminal justice system is that it involves many vulnerable people - including suspects. Thus, these approaches are likely to induce false confessions, misremebering, and compound trauma and distrust towards authority (even in innocent people). This is why most of Europe uses the UK-style PEACE approach, also called information gathering approach, instead of the Reid confession elicitation approach.

[@-ElysianEcho-]

Every step of this process assumes guilt until proven innocent, it’s disgusting

[@joedennehy386]

Easily defeated by silence

[@kenban8533]

Kudos for mentioning the Innocence Project!