THE RESET: Game point controversy

[@robinwatts4576]

As soon as the server on the orange team let the ball bounce twice, she should have lost the point. The receiver did nothing to lose the point unless she was called for an illegal distraction by trying to stop the point. Barring that call, she made a legal return.

[@beyondthepale9071]

good point - the peach team stopped playing

[@thepickleballkids7814]

Gonna have to disagree - This was called incorrectly. CP DID play the point - @3:31 she returned the serve, despite the incorrect score call, and merely orally noted the incorrect score. The one who stopped play was Callie Smith, by allowing CP's return to bounce twice and then catching it with her paddle/hand(@3:34). Smith's failure to continue play was the fault in this point. The game should have continued there at 10-7-2. Rule 4K: If a player thinks a wrong score has been called, a player may stop play to ask for a correction before the ball is served. If it has been served, the rally is to be played out and the score correction (if any) is made before the next serve occurs. After the serve is made, a player who stops play based solely on an incorrect score call, will have committed a fault and shall lose the rally. We agree that the rule should be changed.

[@JEFulp]

I thought this exact same thing. Technically Catherine was the one that stopped the play.

[@pickleballer1729]

Wow! That's an astute observation, unless there is also a rule against saying anything other than partner communication during a rally. Id din't notice, but it WAS Callie that actually faulted, not Katherine. In any case, I agree with both of you, they should probably change that rule, although if a player stops the rally for a score "correction" incorrectly, they should lose that rally.

[@jimcole4952]

Refs are human but he made two errors here...wrong score call and then gave the point to Callie while she is the one that faulted by not playing the return of serve.

[@BipinTamrakar]

came here to say exactly (almost) this. I could not have said this better. I watched that point twice and that game should not have been over. It should have been 6-10-1 next. What a disgrace and cheap way to win. Smith/Kovalova did not need to play like that. Sad.

[@pickleballer1729]

Some strong opinions here. I still don't know what KP said, how loud she said it, or to whom she directed her comment. Could her call have been construed as a distraction? If so, then it went the right way. Right?

[@MarkusMaximusAurelius]

You should add some floating text pinning the first names to the players seen on screen. I have no idea who you are referring to but it would help to know so I can follow your commentary.

[@Chieflywaze]

Great point about the score. Correct the error BEFORE the po is played o play it over. It is technically a mental hindrance, especially on a game point!!

[@lucykovalova1992]

To be honest, I'm a big advocate for a Replay in the situations like that...or when all 4 players agree to replay the point (ask all those refs out there). In this situation, Callie served (we didn't even realized the wrong score was called) and Catherine said that the score was called incorrectly and appealed to the ref (see her paddle up in the air and ref looking at his score board before her return even bounced on our side). At that point, that is considering stopping a point - and unfortunately, you can't do that. The same thing happened to me day before in our Mixed Doubles match- ref called the wrong score, Matt served and I appealed to our ref that the wrong score was called. We lost the point because there is no stopping the point OR replay in pickleball. If this happened early in the game, nobody would even pay attention...but because it was a game point - Game point controversy 🤷‍♀️ Rule 4K: If a player thinks a wrong score has been called, a player may stop play to ask for a correction before the ball is served. If it has been served, the rally is to be played out and the score correction (if any) is made before the next serve occurs. After the serve is made, a player who stops play based solely on an incorrect score call, will have committed a fault and shall lose the rally.

[@benjamindavis2213]

In my humble opinion, the rule change should be each team can correct the score up until their team hits the ball once, resulting in a replay if the correction is valid.

[@danielmarshall8262]

@@benjamindavis2213 good change

[@Contrakt1810]

Gotta say... Lucy seems to be in the right on this one... I'm a fan of all four girls on that court and I want to side with Parenteau and Jansen on this one because it was match point and that sucks--but I can't. The rule is right there and until it's changed, Lucy was simply playing by the rules.

[@cyclingboss469]

Didn't the girl return serve legally and the the server was the one that stopped the play? She held her paddle up but only after the ball was returned legally. Not sure if something was said, does verbally saying something stop play? That's terrible if your words in the middle of a rally would be considered a stop in play. Edit: Looks like the girl returning serve was not even talking to her opponent, she was only talking to the ref from what I can gather.

[@spencerfisher4080]

Only problem is you didn’t give a rule to back up “at that point, that is considered stopping the point” because there isn’t one as far as I am aware.

[@juandasilva7105]

Catherine did play the ball inbound and Callie was the one who caught the ball. Ref error on calling score wrong and ref error on not recognizing who stopped play. Thats a stinky outcome for that. But GGs otherwise

[@skidz8426]

Idk Catherine stopped play if you watch her body language she had her paddle up like wait. She was like hold on. But for me Catherine was wrong she waited till the serve to say something she had plenty of time to correct before the serve. Maybe it’s just me but the moment the serve I hear the wrong serve I correct it. It’s only the jerks who call the serve while serving.

[@pickleballer1729]

Rather than take sides here, I'd like to be the voice or reason. The central question here, which almost every comment takes for granted that their answer is correct is: what constitutes stopping a rally? By speaking to the ref, did CP stop the rally? Did her holding her paddle up stop the rally? (According to Lucy, the answer is "yes".) If the answer is "yes" then CP ended the rally and the resolution was correct. But if saying the score and holding up you paddle CANNOT be considered as having ended the rally, then Lucy is wrong and the point should have gone to CP and LJ. I don't know the answer. Could someone please stop quoting the same rule without explaining what constitutes stopping the rally? The rule can be used to support either side without knowing WHO STOPPED THE FRIKKIN' RALLY.

[@skydiver246]

Great analysis. As an advanced beginner, I'm trying to understand strategy and this will definitely help the next time I play against CP and LJ...lol!

[@danskehans]

I am forever grateful that few other sports feature a constant stream of words from the commentator.

[@samurai7411]

So I have no idea about the rules here (tennis player), but team in black did stop play, but did put the ball back over. If anything this should be a replay?

[@pickleballer1729]

I agree with you that this should have been a replay, (on principle, not because it's a rule) but in Pickleball tournaments, they almost never want to replay anything. Pace of play is a huge thing in Pickleball. I think in Tennis the pace is determined by the readiness of the server, right? Not so for PB. In Pickleball the server has 10 seconds to serve after the ref calls the score or it is a fault. In rec play, we would have just replayed the rally and then argued the point over a beer afterward.

[@BriansKitchen]

This is the first sport in a long time that I have been pumped about! Love watching even the womens matches! No misogyny intended!! This game is exciting no matter who is playing it and I love watching just as much as I love playing it.

[@brianbanks3044]

as soon as money and standings and points are involved, there are going to be problems....for this reason, in big matches regardless of if they are on a Sunday finals day, they are going to have to get line cameras...the game is too fast for older eyes and the ultimate goal is to make the correct call

[@darylosborn6190]

Not sure how old this post is but the call was correct. The serve receiver did hit the ball back, but then called out wrong score and threw up her hands. Under Rule 11j Distraction, this could be and should be called a fault on her ending the point. Not sure rule 11j was called, but ending the point was correct.

[@DerMig590]

Bad rule because the server had a chance to correct it also

[@victorosborn3348]

That makes the average padel player IQ to be around 1200.

[@sunfloweralpacas]

Is it common for people at this level of play to be called by first names by the announcer? I haven’t heard it done in other sports.

[@perrondenais684]

Have to say it's so hard to follow along and remember who they are talking about as a new pickleball viewer.

[@beyondthepale9071]

The ball did not hit her in the face (on the atp)

[@streetglidesteve]

No paddle tap?

[@AmiFriendsStudio]

i know, right? Where's the sportsmanship?

[@LebronCCP]

I don't think Lucy Kovalova did anything wrong, Roger Federer would have done the same thing

[@jeremymarble6172]

I don’t know how Lucy is at fault or using deception. She was right, after all. That’s on the ref and I guess Catherine for not knowing the rule…but c’mon ref!

[@cassell817]

Catharine needs a better partner, Jansen is in this league!

[@skidz8426]

I have to disagree that they need to take this tule out. It’s to easy everyone knows you don’t stop play because of a bad score call. Look at this is a different light, let’s say there’s a 3.0 match. Someone get 75% serves in. By stopping you’re now giving them a 50% chance to make a good serve. Also how many times have you or someone else miss heard the score. “Hold up the score is 10-6-2”. That’s what I said. “O ok, I miss heard you” What are the draw backs of the way the rule is written now?? There are non you play the point out and correct the score afterwards.

[@Mr.DJones]

That rule does not suck. Let's see, don't like a serve that went by you, stop the play and call, wrong score. Even if the score was correct. Replay. I agree with the others, Callie Smith's fault. Catherine P. was team talk. That is so interesting as the match had two refs.

[@Leaderofwhat]

If the ref calls the wrong score, why should you have to deal with a ref’s error? You can’t stop play if it was correct, then it would be a lost point. But if the ref makes a mistake, you should be able to stop the point before there is an advantage.

[@Mr.DJones]

@@Leaderofwhat What I would like to see is if you stop play, and the score is correct, that in itself is a fault.

[@Leaderofwhat]

@@Mr.DJones We are in agreement. BUT if the ref was incorrect and a mistake was made, then we simply replay the point.

[@Mr.DJones]

@@Leaderofwhat That was funny Janson. "We are in agreement. But..." :) IMO, they should have consulted with each other, figured out the actual rule and applied it. They just went with Lucy, IMO because she was so dominent. :)

[@Leaderofwhat]

@@Mr.DJones No, that’s the rule. It’s just a bad rule.

[@rexgoodheart3471]

Great fun to play, but such a boring sport to watch. And the lack of sportsmanship (sportswomanship?) makes it all the worse.

[@NatureBoyWooo]

Stupid looking sport.

[@rexgoodheart3471]

So many dinks at this level it's not much fun to play, either. I don't get why young people don't play tennis, instead.