The Return of cEDH | Commander VS | Magic: the Gathering Gameplay

[@Conklebot]

Certainly a game where people played cEDH decks. It was that.

[@fredorlando8969]

John's Opposition Agent play actually had me belly laughing. I'm so sorry Jeremy haha🤣😅

[@Tclark6199]

I laughed out loud when opp agent hit the board 💀 thank you Jon

[@HighRollMTG]

That was foul

[@stevebos4566]

​@@HighRollMTG the setup was foul, the play was great lol

[@Universum]

Oh thank goodness, that week without an episode had me gasping

[@punkaerials]

Same :')

[@kyleb7047]

I agree. I was quite sad to not see one last week, haha. I look forward to these weekly games.

[@hyperstar2280]

I think that bringing the same deck as another player is great actually I love to compare lists.

[@MrCaptnintendo]

suarez forgot the agent trigger, when corey used his prismatic vista to search for a basic land

[@lifestyle936]

I think they're friends,not super competitive,or professional.

[@TopMuffin7]

It's not about being friends its CEDH and its not a may ability it's a forced interaction and Corey made a blunder. Happens all the time but that card should absolutely have gone to suarez and into exile. Also Suarez has access to a player's hidden information when they are searching their library because he controls them meaning he should have been allowed to look at their hands and see what they had. Opp Agent is busted.

[@sean8486]

Stephen playing an enchantment making creatures unblockable is such a meme playing against a ninjutsu deck

[@blakey9869]

Mirror matches are fun, in my opinion. One of my favorite cEDH videos is an entire pod of Godos

[@joelchatfield4250]

aw yes, the game of counting

[@BlackCatsXIII13]

As a fellow Yuriko cEDH player, having 1-2 other stax players at the table almost always ends up with the Yuriko deck snowballing. The other players literally lined up the win for Yuriko against the Kinnan in particular.

[@Skipper3158]

Corey using lotus petal in response to Karn's +1 for a mystical tutor was quite frustrating, Karn was on the table at that point.

[@racewarkingdomsable]

corey and misplaying / not knowing how cards work, name a more iconic duo

[@Kristjan0209]

To be honest he wasn't given an opportunity to sacrifice it in response. He also did say he tutors in response to Karn. The actual misplay was later when he paid only 1 mana for mystical remora tax

[@racewarkingdomsable]

@@Kristjan0209 He wouldn't have sacrificed it in response, he only did it because Karn targetted it. If he would have done it in response then Karn would have targetted something else. It's just Corey not knowing how cards work, why bother to learn how the thing you do for a job is done after all

[@lofibamboo1888]

He also searched his library for a land while opposition agent was on the field.

[@SpicyPlay]

I think the good thing with cEDH is if you sit down and see the same commander you're playing, it just adds another level of.....c.....and now there's an added layer of "who can pilot this better"

[@jacobyspurnger8488]

27:40 how is Cory searching his library when John has an op agent?

[@AgonalRhythm]

He missed the trigger, that's all

[@allends7372]

with Oppo Agent, you see the opponent hand while searching! Great episode!

[@laicuan1]

I play a rare commander for cedh that uses a very convoluted combo to win, so if I see someone else play it I get excited and want to pick their brain for ideas and thought processes that went into their version.

[@Guyu]

I don't normally worry if someone has the same Commander/and or commanders as I do. Normally we people play very different versions on the deck and it's good to see what people are playing. Also if lots of people are using decks similar to your own, making a new deck, or making changes to your existing deck to beat the decks work's great!

[@moreparmesan5261]

cEDH makes me nutty. I've always been a casual. I'm lucky if I play EDH once in a few months given the kids schedules, work, and the wife's plans.

[@TheKidsDaaaaad]

John was nice enough to let Corey search with that Vista when he had an Op-Agent in play...

[@harleywilliams1821]

came here to say this.

[@TheTrajanValoris]

God the decision making in this game is the exact opposite of actual cedh play, very comical thanks for the upload.

[@therealbaddie6959]

I feel like Steven has never played a cedh deck on a cedh episode

[@esimplx]

This deck is definitely his most competitive he has played. Slicer is a actually a real deck. It isn't tier 1, but it will surprise you. Hangs with top decks for sure.

[@moldytaters4190]

Slicer is actually a good deck in cedh

[@therealbaddie6959]

@@moldytaters4190 I just looked it up. I guess it don’t look too bad. He is a fast car…

[@moldytaters4190]

@@therealbaddie6959 He vroom very fast

[@MichaelJones-vd8mr]

I don't think it is a problem running into the same deck or same commander, it just the battle of who is the best player

[@esimplx]

Playing against someone with the same commander is a frequent occurrence and not a big deal at all. Honestly, cedh is way closer to legacy or something, where the mirror match can be just as interesting as any other matchup.

[@blakey9869]

Sometimes, it's more interesting cause you have to change your lines knowing what the opponents lines are

[@bobalthoff8242]

A long while back before the commander rule was changed (they don't kill each other) a local store was holding an edh tourney and I managed to get in a pod with another person with the same commander. We did r-p-s to see who would go to their secondary commander.

[@Gwaihir420]

Oh, someone's playing the same deck as me. "I knew my opponents weaknesses; having suffered them myself"

[@jayyou8923]

I like it see how I cam either upgrade or play the deck differently always learning

[@Adyum]

Hopefully for the next time cEDH the guys might take a minute on their decks Discord to get some idea of what to look for in hands. cEDH is such a different beast and decks will frequently mull to 5 to get ramp/interaction/card draw. Still a fun episode, just hoping they can use their platform to show off the interesting aspects of cEDH.

[@2d_spartan]

This is the most none cedh game of cedh ive seen in a minute 😂 still love it

[@Kyle_Outrage420]

I do try to avoid playing the same commander in casual pods but I would assume in cedh it's more about the 99 then the commander so mirror matches would be less of a drag

[@ChristopherDennis89]

Close. Its more about the player. Give two different people the same exact deck and you’ll see two completely different play-styles.

[@deadNdivine12]

I just checked an hour ago if you guys uploaded any new vids and the notifications didn't go off.. darn you KZbin. Darn you.

[@rossgreen8259]

I feel like ninjitsu shouldn't count towards casting your commander 4 or more times. If it can get around the magistrate then it shouldn't count imo

[@AgonalRhythm]

They don't award extra points when they play cedh anyway

[@didupaytheone2678]

Next cedh week, I would like to see ardenn and kruam deck, one of my favorites deck

[@miniroo612]

NeonMushroom, that you? 😂

[@ChristopherDennis89]

Krark and Thrasios for me. Lol

[@that1guy811]

I personally in a cEDH pod, i'd switch out my deck. However, in a regular EDH pod I'll stick with the same commander as they're not likely built the same. I love seeing other players' versions of commanders I play.

[@derrickblanke9944]

Is it just me or is Jon the only one actually playing cEDH? And there is a difference between playing a cEDH deck and playing cEDH cards.

[@mezcla191]

John forgot opp agent works on fetch lands, Corey should be crying.

[@NT_Escanor]

I have never had an issue with having 2 of the same commanders in a pod

[@stayslapped1568]

what is the little thing they have their commanders set on?

[@chrisgreen6470]

That opp agent play from John was so dirty lol

[@Noganite]

If I have the same commander as another, I hope to pop off sooner and work toward that, trying to shut them down first.

[@proxytheboat7117]

Well I don't think the pool of cEDH commanders is small at all, even removing partners. From 5-2 colors there are conservatively at least 14, 5 Color cEDH commanders 4, 4 Color cEDH commanders (Again not including partners) 60 , 3 Color cEDH commanders (not including partners), with at lesat 4 options in each color combination. And at least just as many if not twice as many for 2 color commanders, with maybe half as much for single color commanders. So conservatively, while leaving out all partner combo's, it's around 160 options for unique generals.

[@markbrierley6367]

Which is quite small compared to the thousand plus choices otherwise.

[@bflandragon90]

Sometimes I like playing against the mirror match bc they might have included cards you didn't think of

[@Tyfont]

Well Stephen just handed Jon the crown for this season lmao

[@robinvandepoele2117]

In cedh im okay with mirrors, in casual I like if 4 different commanders are shown

[@stevengunn3532]

28:07 isn’t that land Jon

[@trevorpeters4976]

Like, comment, share, subscribe, binge and ring the bell

[@CupcakeNB]

Jon missed out on the agent for Corey's prismatic vista. That would've been funny

[@superwolf1515]

God I wonder how Stephen would do with my yarok deck and how many rune-scared demons he could get

[@EvilM0nkeyRules]

Well if you run creatures with the same color as ur commander you can swap cards. It might be weird but could change up the game a bit

[@RabbitsRi]

Competitive tables I've sat at have had all the same commander before. And I think at least two of the four were identical lists. I did not win.

[@NaviTheMD]

Real gameplay 07:02

[@nimkees]

Can we see Jon’s list????

[@santaclauseking]

What timing! I just ordered a cedh deck (95% is proxies, im not made of money) with ikra shadiqi and Kraum as my commanders. It will be very interesting to play with that much power and just experience that different level of play.

[@ChristopherDennis89]

It’s life changing. I absolutely love cEDH it blends my love for modern with commander. Im currently running Krark and Thrasios

[@briankaplan4729]

why cant the director talk into a mic

[@ajaydassani9931]

John forgot to opposition agent corey

[@Yasmat25y]

Jeremy forgot to Magistrate Jon

[@danielsinclair9263]

How did Corey’s prim vista search up a land with op agent out?

[@racewarkingdomsable]

he really shouldn't be on this show, the illegal plays game after game is ridiculous

[@Yasmat25y]

Jon also plays command tower from exile with Dranith on board. They're just bad at Magic sometimes.

[@danielsinclair9263]

@@Yasmat25y but Dranith just cares about casting, not land drops. Agent says you may PLAY the card so he was fine.

[@famousstranger8468]

I don't want to flex and look down my nose at anybody out there but earlier today at my LGS we had a very competitive game of EDH and the stakes were so high it makes this cEDH game look like child's play The ante was a singular dual matte white dragon shield sleeve that I found in the bottom of my bag and let me tell ya, you had to be there that game was wild!

[@markgregory983]

You should have played ironman rules for it! Missed oppurtunity man :(

[@TheKinoWolf]

Can we get an upload version without the backing music track please?

[@Wickerman713]

Suarez never actually cast Yuriko, he ninjitsued it into play, so he should have lost a point for that. I've done that my own self in my old commander league playing Yuriko. she's silly fun.

[@darkdepths6211]

Great video!!! Have you guys considered doing a couple of episodes of Oathbreaker. That would be pretty cool to see how you build them.

[@richardwu7246]

who gets the pt if slicer is given control to another player and that player kills someone with slicer

[@sethhines3744]

I would be interested to see all 4 play the same commander, but each built from a different angle.

[@Arkusum]

Pretty sure they’ve done this before? 4 Morophons I think

[@erikstokely4734]

Ninjutsu is after blocks not before

[@zavano92]

While he says before blockers nothing can block, so it doesnt change anything

[@erikstokely4734]

Actually there was a couple of times where people could have blocked

[@zavano92]

@@erikstokely4734 no there wasn't entire game yuriko was onfield so was enchantment making creatures unable to block

[@kellyhoesing2573]

Stephen's game could only have been better with a Stasis Orb

[@MageSkeleton]

1:20 ish. it's not that big of a deal, one of the things that makes Commander the format that it is is the fact that multiple players can be playing the same commander but have different cards. And then there's still the RNG of effectively the top ten cards of the library and what you end up doing with those cards compared to your opponents and what your opponents got to work with. i feel it's the same argument of everyone starting the game with a sol ring compared to just one player getting to start the game with a sol ring. It happens, it happens. Even if it's literally a "mirror match" it's still going to make for a fun game as they will get different stuff than you as it's the nature of the format. i think i understand why Slicer, Hired Muscle is a "high power" commander. He does the whole "False God" thing but better and if he's transformed he's only a creature when it's your turn so board wipes that only effect creatures don't effect him. After taking a REAL close look at Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion i got REALLY angry. We finally get a second LEGENDARY creature that has ninjitsu and turns out you CANNOT do the thing Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow can do because Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow has "COMMANDER NINJITSU" and say what you want about Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow she's never going to be as good or powerful as Kenrith, Thrasios, kinnon, or tichwillow. But she's close. Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion should had gotten "COMMANDER NINJITSU."

[@dylancrocker9823]

Best stax deck Yuriko huh?

[@nickfranco865]

This episode was a perfect encapsulation of why I have no interest in CEDH.

[@ChristopherDennis89]

Im Sad there were no partner commanders

[@OzDawg5116]

Love hearing the somewhat sarcastic and desparaging "cEDH is so fun" comments. Why do these episodes if you guys don't have fun doing them?

[@arturstasienko2234]

What to do, beat them.

[@pspmovieman]

mld with no follow up ? yea lets not

[@BrowneePointz]

This honestly might be my least favorite episode of Commander Vs in like...4.5 years

[@rei336]

The moment Jon starts mentioning Draco is when I start nodding my head in agreeance and root for him.

[@bransclan6318]

Not sure about the inclusion of mystic in yuriko. Being a yuriko player myself more often than not I find myself discarding cards as early as turn 2. Card advantage is definitely not a problem for yuriko players and usually you’ll find yourself shaping the perfect hand to just hold onto and use in conjunction with top-card manipulators. I get that it’s a cedh build but it just seems sort of wasteful. 8 out of ten times yuriko is coming out turn 2 and you’ll be flipping your top card and going to discard. It would be more streamlined with yuriko’s gameplan if you were discarding something like wonder so the rest of the game you’re just keeping everyone on the back foot and shaping your hand. Include some 0 drop creatures and you’re off to the races it doesn’t need much more than that. Yuriko is one of those decks that is competitive simply by being optimized. It doesn’t need the fancy expensive staples you always see in all these other builds. That’s one of the reasons it’s so popular. Even running a budget, as long as it’s optimized, it’s competitive.

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

LOL In CEDH no decklists or what commanders y'all are playing :(

[@joshuaadams5295]

I don't switch I play, I'm not a pussay!

[@fancytoxicsoda]

cEDH isn't my thing but as always I enjoy the content.

[@drgood33]

You've been Karned!

[@lifestyle936]

Hello gentlemen

[@aaroncrandall3281]

Found this a bit boring but that's almost any game with stax. It just was worse because the guy who profited the most was Jon who's so far ahead I don't think he can lose the season.

[@olivierkbidi4570]

More view on the board please

[@armendcardin4781]

I feel like you both play what you intended and may the best draws and plays win

[@tehhayn2732]

Corey, I fully understand you and how cEDH makes head hurty.

[@littlegamers360]

You can tell they don’t play CEDH 😂

[@racewarkingdomsable]

or, in ...certain player's case.... EDH at all

[@DynaMike89]

I enjoy watching you guys play cedh every now and then but I am glad I do not have to play such games myself at friday nights. (no front to all the cedh fans) ^^

[@Tiamatdlord]

so the casual Andy? you can play competitive fine but it's just banter w/o salt. if want such a casual fluffy padded game night sure, your types are afraid to play competitive and will durdle for hours. your one those types if a "a commander is at the table to leave or have the rule 0". cedh is just more focused decks and if you play under-powered. it's just competitive player will hate cedh but you get more games in but gets more broken. casual Andy's like yourself probably want to just have fun, but I get fun to you isn't a broken stuff and afraid of over powered commanders/combos

[@DynaMike89]

@@Tiamatdlord a lot of text to say you have the opposite optinion. I would say in my playgroup we play mostly 7--8 (except precon battles) so I am not afraid of strong decks. I just dont like the play pattern of most cedh rounds with the overuse of tutoring and all the 0 mana rocks just to finish of with a vcombo in turn 2-4. If i want to play faster more focused games with multiplayer and politic casual fun I play brawl or oathbreaker or one of the other 60 Card formats. Step down from your high horse Mr. Cedh. Its jsut my opinion as it is yours so no need to call me names or look down on my preferences. cheers

[@Tiamatdlord]

@@DynaMike89 I apologize Came off as harsh, but here in my area we call "toxic casuals" or "Super casuals", they ruined the local FNMs years ago then polluted the earl edh scene here. I dodn't think you were and trust as former competitive scene grinder, even I understand the effects oppressive meta or play style and what you can do. You saw in this video because these guys are older players/grinders and you know they know they are screwed, you see they try to play to outs but its hard to counter the eventual outcome if a "plan comes together". after the game is over you see your mistakes then adjust, they did it and you could read their body language. EDH has various power levels and I hate the "youtuber/reddit enforced scale system of definitions on rankings". "Rule 0" is fine discussion but alot don't understand how powerful commanders are next to each other, then vary on their style of decks. Especially when a deck is "tuned" to do what its supposed to do, the deck will snowball every time. Cedh has this issue alot of the same themes/commanders and "good stuff"/essential core. Most EDH is just refined themes with adaptations for your tunings/synergy, you try to have fun and maybe win. I want to have my fun and have my tiered decks and then other lowers. EG my top decks are scion/ur dragon (dragon tribal)/Yuriko/Kaalia/k'rrick(1st deck) and 2nd tier- Niv-mizzet, parun/chainer, nightmare adept/MG elfball(Lathriel elfball). last tier that are fun types are go-shenti/codie/kozelik and then I have the 40k decks that are placing themselves(keeping mostly 40k themes). the 40k precons were strong but some you had to break off then build around, EG the chaos deck(you have 3 potential commanders in the deck. split off abaddon and bela'kor w/magus being his own theme). the 40k decks are very very fun and interesting to build around, like abaddon(cascade storm deck) storm deck and bela'kor(grixis kaalia w/good stuff demons). I kept the imperium theme with Esper tokens/aristocrat and then necrons(black artifacts matter w/death triggers), Lastly Tyranids(its RUG/temur monsters with counters). I pace them out and later its more meant to be fun vs oppressive.

[@markgregory983]

@@Tiamatdlord hmm i think you missed the point of his comment a little there man. And you kind of proved his point. You instantly resorted to calling someone with a different opinion a "casual andy" and that casual players have ruined this and that, and durdle. At the same time, another persons opinion would frame you as arrogant and elitist. And many would say your "group" has ruined mtg etc etc. But that wasnt the OP's point. He was saying that we all play the same card game, but with different attitudes towards it. We all enjoy the game and banter for different reasons. And that is why so many formats exist. So instead of being a tool about it, try and realise that it is a hobby and just a game. Try to have fun and not ruin other peoples time, no matter what format you play.

[@Tiamatdlord]

@Mark Gregory I think you missed the point of my comment and you comment like you know your "points". this discussion was dropped and people like you or bots such as yourself post on it. he proved my point of what I thought of him as your proving yourself as what I think you are. Don't speak like you know me, so you can mind read a person from one post? let me guess your about 30 or older and wanting to be hip-online to bully the bully or just stir up a dormant post? just as your comment phrases you as a "white knight to save his princess", behind every white knight is a tragic story that try to fix others because they can't fix themselves. Also why do you white knight types always come off as keyboard warriors? FYI most people who play the role of WH like yourself turns out to be a POS or has a closet full of skeletons. also I agree with you and depends on format but let's be clear here, every person has fun differently. You can't like your a saint but we both know your not, also I know your brave enough to back your words up or do a 1v1(prove right by your actions or attempt to prove me wrong). Also Mr White knight please realize something and sense the use of sarcasm here, but I mean no ham and let you be you. we come come different eras and play styles/ideas of fun, but have good life and let's talk or you can go on with your life(be happy)

[@SweetManaT]

The decks certainly were cEDH decks.

[@dr.watman8772]

Can you really ninjutsu before blocks?

[@toddherink4234]

I was pretty sure it isn't qualified as an "unblocked attacker" until blocks are declared but I could be wrong (not that it would have changed anything at all on the end of the game)

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

No

[@christianhem2975]

you can't. Jon misplayed there.

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

@@christianhem2975 I don't think it was a missplay, I think he misspoke. He should have said "before damage" and that's it, it wouldn't have changed anything because nothing could block anyway

[@ARCskieZ]

Just playing powerfull cEDH staples doesn't mean you're playing cEDH. Lots of terrible sequencing and weird game decisions. It was still fun to watch, but its clear the guys strenght is playing casual/creative EDH.

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

The C stands for Casual :P

[@AnticlimacticPangolin]

If someone has the same commander I just hope that mine runs better in that game 😂

[@David-hb3gu]

When I see Cedh I just think...... it's Cory's time to shine!!!!!

[@yorkazord319]

I feel fine with playing against the same deck… because mines usually better

[@Guyu]

Stax is hard.

[@johnveit2139]

Love seeing slicer

[@alsaker13]

To bad it didn't do anything cause Steven's dumb

[@donteatpaint]

Slicer + Stephen Green is such a perfect pairing.

[@dragonreaper9288]

God I really hate CEDH episodes because they are NEVER competitive. It's one deck doing everything and the others doing nothing. Probably most boring of all the episodes too. I get why you do it for CEDH fans but man you take all the fun out of these episodes for us casual players.

[@markgregory983]

I'd love to see 4x queen marchesa cdh decks go at it. Let the chaos ensue

[@cruces1713]

Stephen was correct about Karn wishing for exiled cards. Exile is still a zone of the game and the rule was changed so they no longer work like he said

[@markbrierley6367]

Except Karn says you can get them out of exile.

[@cruces1713]

@@markbrierley6367 oh jeez I suppose reading the card does explain the card. But the explanation from Corey was still wrong about the ruling

[@devlinpangburn918]

How did john play the land with Op agent out

[@MD_JamDar]

Finally corey has a balanced deck for an episode :p

[@ingolf82]

a cEDH episode that is 54 minutes long? you must have gotten at least 3 games in. that is what I assume before watching, but...

[@falformfreeform9553]

Thats what I was thinking too lol

[@davidvanooteghem673]

@@falformfreeform9553 normally yes but the all of the lands being destroyed and Jeremy's stax pieces turned it into a grindy game. And that does happen at times in cedh.

[@BrittishAnger]

Mirror Match

[@bram0000]

Slowest CEDH game I've seen... Love it! hahah

[@THEYoungDuh]

Isn't it a rule of commander there can't be 2 of the same commander in a game? Or did that change at some point. If I'm playing commander I bring 2-3 decks so I'll offer to change if someone has the same commander