The Riggory of Drag Race Season 13

[@salem4800]

can we just all agree that the criticisms about the rigga morus should be directed at the shows producers and not the individual queens themselves cuz its not their faults for why production is like this :(

[@diablo666bagels2]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@papu9331]

@@diablo666bagels2 say it louder for the toxic fans in the front yelling out robbed skskskskskskskks

[@arniecalang4583]

I haven’t found one single comment blaming the queens yet.. I’ll keep scrolling though.

[@papu9331]

@@arniecalang4583 the point is the queens are receiving hate for the faults of production. read the room

[@Sunisrising-v7b]

@@papu9331 right only robbed queen is manila and shangela period not bimini nor gigi (but she should have won but i love jaida) AAND ITS NOT THE QUEENS FAULT THAN THEY WON

[@evaammons1304]

If i was Rosé and Michelle was downplaying my track record I would of pulled a Pearl... “I think i had a great track record actually” 😂

[@thewhisper4269]

Peal 😁

[@karacoconutag]

When Gottmik called RuPaul rude in the finale, I got major pearl vibes as well, Al though her execution let her get away with it, lol

[@Dependencycourtsellschildren]

It’s a good way to not get into the top four.

[@SimqlyLars]

Omg yess hahahaha

[@freyaallan3267]

@Chelsea i swear she was never in the bottom, like she was always safe, top or won

[@jonathanfitzharris4196]

"Denali was the only queen to outlast the queen who beat her in the lip sync" Rose "Fuck ma drag"

[@cupcakehips9236]

🤣

[@fettymop1393]

😂😂

[@jackh7889]

The key word is premiere

[@jonathanfitzharris4196]

@@jackh7889 Yes. Olivia bet Rose in the premier... and outlasted her

[@drgibb1416]

@@jonathanfitzharris4196 olivia did not beat rose lmao what?

[@spencywright9281]

"imagine a season where Denali, Rosé, Tamisha, and Utica claw their way to the end, taking out all the winners" I would like to imagine that very much thank you

[@sundayscaries9926]

Agreed

[@lancepagdanganan4163]

It would've been such an iconic season if that happened. The satisfactory seeing the underdogs winning is just 👌👌

[@fleetadmiralperry5739]

That’s exactly what I wanted to see

[@loneshine]

That...except for that whole Rose bit

[@iamclarity]

@@loneshine Rose was 'cool' and all, but she seemed soooo dry and colorless.

[@alishashah842]

Personally I think they really wanted Utica to be the next Crystal Methyd or Yvie, but her strengths was more in her looks then any of the acting challenges and it feels like that just punishing Utica for not fitting into the mould

[@skyco5395]

no hun, they had already a lot of quirky likeable queens. they wanted to make utica the girl that seems to be nice but undercover is a bitch. they wanted to make the Thorgy/crystal/yvie character but a villian. and they tried?? but utica was so sweet. she wasn't mean on purpose. she just isn't that good at interacting with the rest of the cast.

[@beans6765]

@@skyco5395 fr, it was painful to watch her be painted as such an awful person when all the cast always says such nice things about her :(

[@everberry51]

Utica was never gonna fit into a mold, that’s the point of quirky queens lol. Utica just doesn’t have the fully fleshed personality that her outfits do

[@phoenixrising7777]

You are right and given how many acting challenges there were this season, it didn’t do Utica any favors. They wanted a kooky queen until the realized that Utica was a threat to Gottmik’s top 4 title of “unique young and talented fashion queen”. Notice how shocked michelle was in the bag ball when Utica blew everyone away in the main challenge. She literally said “I thought you were just going to be a kooky queen and do kooky things” aka you are not playing your assigned role. And ever since then they use the same kooky excuse time and time again on Utica and then when Utica does what they want the Beast Couture challenge, they now say that her outfit is “pretty but I’ve seen it before” while lightheartedly laughing at Kandy Muse’s hideous outfit. No coincidence that she’s been just below Gottmik 4 times....almost as if she’s a shield for saving Gottmik from bottom 2 (another shield was Tamisha and Tina).

[@jojojo89517]

@@skyco5395 I don't think she was ever mean in the show. The criticism about the roast is just plain dumb. It's a roast. Its suppose to be insulting.

[@EmmaLeeHD]

my theory is that the producers were trying to give rosé the villain edit with her two rivalries at the beginning of the season, but she never gave them the drama, and was instead always realllly supportive of her castmates. maybe rosé caught on and said, no, you're not going to paint me this way

[@owaindavies9457]

Good point. I initially thought Rosè was going to be bitchy too.

[@alishashah842]

I do wonder if Rose and Tina both decided to just not bother with the drama off camera when they did their makeover - like Aquaria and Cracker

[@neeliknowsnothing]

Lmao I'm pretty sure considering they pushed Tina into a group called the mean girls that lasted a day, Rosé was the person we were supposed to root for in that rivalry. They also pushed a romantic storyline, which fans tend to love (and they did)

[@rikux27]

And the only episode they could have justified putting her in the bottom was the makeover challenge, but Tina clearly would have gone home, so she never gave them a real chance to take her out.

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

I mean... rose literally set herself up no? She literally acted and played the role so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

[@owentravis8901]

Actually 4 queens have s12 sisters Kandy-Dahlia Rosé-Jan Symone-Gigi And Kahmora-Jaida

[@OkayAnd]

The Asian erasure of it all

[@blizzardwinds4544]

I thought rose and jan were cousins

[@benjamintic3653]

Well Rosé and Jan aren't really sisters but are in the same family

[@ekincantaroglu9712]

@@blizzardwinds4544 isnt Rosé is Jan's Aunt

[@108daytona6]

@@OkayAnd what is this in reference to

[@dantheman2897]

It's funny when the show and the judges say be you, but when Utica does it they thing she's just too wired and needs to stop. Like the only episode she won was her acting like Symone and not herself.

[@damned0guy]

Utica was like the "don't hug me I'm scared - get creative" video when they start letting their creativity flow...

[@paulieluce5303]

@@damned0guy I LOVE THAT VIDEO it makes so much sense with Utica tbh

[@damned0guy]

@@paulieluce5303 ikr?! Love them too

[@pete_er]

she lacked a proper mullet probably xd

[@isaiahjackson8416]

Also remember how in the ball episode they didn’t give her the win SHE FULLY DESERVED just because she was acting too weird (and also because Mik is ‘the fashion queen’ and thus HAD to win the ball episode)? Now remember last season when Nicky Doll modelled the clothes literally just fine and they critiqued her for not being weird?

[@iamsupermarco]

Utica’s beast look was so goood. I still dont understand how they didn’t like it while some other contestants decided to wear mascots and body suit.

[@eyluk8887]

And michelle said "yeah it's a pretty dress" 😐 Ew michelle

[@beans6765]

I still dont understand how they preferred a fursuit over an actual beast COUTURE outfit.

[@stijn4687]

I dont understand so much praise for Symone with the fox thing... I found it ugly

[@Mmorguemusic]

Kandy muse and that party city Mike Wazowski

[@amyhleigh]

Honestly it was nice but I was expecting something more crazy unique from Utica, considering she was the ‘weird’ queen and everything, I thought the beast challenge would be great for her! It was very pretty though, definitely better than Kandys😭

[@fezmel]

Omg Ru and Michelle were so cold to Rosé in the last episode. They didn’t want her to win at all; it was so transparent and contrite.

[@walterwait_4067]

they made Rosé not relatable at all i think. the fandom was rooting for GottMik and Symone

[@rvnhty]

They did the same thing to Tayce on UK. 😡

[@cc-gx8hr]

@@rvnhty ?? Tayce wasn’t treated poorly, she was actually lucky to be in the top 4 after so many lip syncs and runway flops

[@jbear3478]

I adore Rosé

[@highonsugar6273]

They could’ve done so much more with the losers and winners circle storyline and made it really interesting and actually made it meaningful but they just left it

[@Starriaaa]

Imagine if it was like a group competition

[@GamingHero...]

For real. That's why it felt so useless and dragging along the season because nothing comes out of it and the story lines actually go against it in the end

[@cj19030]

I think it was overshadowed by the kandy drama and stuff. They saw she was gonna bring the drama so they dropped that to focus on her

[@highonsugar6273]

@@cj19030 that drama was good but mostly happened in untucked they could have brought the winners and losers circle thing into the actual episodes

[@neeliknowsnothing]

I personally think the top 4 were decided pretty early on (if not pre picked) and the main purpose of winners/losers was to give Rosé a really strong ignored underdog edit. As far as ik, they really pushed both her rivalry with Tina and well as Rosenali, all of which makes it feel like she could win the competition for the porkchop group/robbed queens. Maybe it's coincidence, but too many storylines fit perfectly, but feel a bit forced

[@nivekPater]

The fact that Kandy wasn't in the bottom for that Alien "Furry" look, GURL...

[@williwildfang8032]

Her commercial was funny that's why she wasn't bottom

[@canarylol2987]

@@williwildfang8032 yeah when i think of Kandys brand my first thought is Ketamine...

[@MattWhiteMattWPBS]

Yeah. That should have needed an out of this world challenge performance to counter it, and her commercial was just good.

[@williwildfang8032]

@@MattWhiteMattWPBS Challenge always counts first no matter the runway. Joslyn was also high in the rap battle depsite having a horrendous look

[@aldricmartinez-olson7509]

@@williwildfang8032 which is how it should be, otherwise queens like Bob could not do well. It's not all about the look.

[@allief2000]

I will never understand them cutting Tamisha's storyline off like that. You know she would've kept making drama, and there's no way they didn't know she would be a fan favorite. Also, letting Denali lipsync in those skates was so incredibly dangerous. I can't believe they let that happen.

[@jude_illusion]

I think they thought the fans wouldn't like her. Drag race loves to work on stereotypes and compare queens to other queens. They cast an older sassy black pageant queen. They probably thought 'Oh it's another Kennedy Davenport'

[@roadjcat]

Yeah I was wondering if Denali's cartwheel was kinda reckless, but I did some digging and I think she had guards on or the skates weren't that sharp. Stage would have been cut up otherwise too. Can't confirm for certain though.

[@Kottkumgen]

@@roadjcat I also think that Denali, being a professional figure skater, would NEVER go out on a stage that isn't covered in ice on proper sharp blades. Those skates were unsharpened 100%

[@viivij2452]

With Robbie Turner's lipsync in her season they asked her if she'd rather lipsync in roller skates or in heels so I think it's weird that they didn't give Denali that option.

[@PsyrenXY]

I bet Tamisha asked to go home because of her colostomy bag starting to make the challenges harder

[@user-bk6us9ym7g]

the bag ball just doesn’t sit right with me the whole point of the ball is the garment the queens make themselves and whilst i do agree that mik’s first two looks were stronger her last look was not at all on the same level as utica’s so the fact that they gave mik the win based on outfits that they had made by celebrity costume designers for thousands of dollars over utica who made everything from scratch just feels so wrong

[@beans6765]

I agree, the bag ball is about SELLING THE LOOK and DESIGNING!! Not just putting on some clothes!!

[@tropicodefa]

I KNOW RIGHT, I wholeheartedly agree!! I watched Bussy Queen's video on how much the queens have spent preparing for drag race, and Gottmik's estimate was around 68k (of course we don't really know but still), knowing that Mik has a lot of money bc of their work as a celebrity mua, is in touch with famous designers and has rich supportive friends.... idk it changed my mind about them winning that challenge over more "humble" and talented ppl like Utica. Like yeah, Mik SERVED every single runway, but how much of that was them being a truly fashionable queen and not just relying on renowned designers' work...

[@jayjayjayjay1067]

I'd say only miks first look was superior, all opinion of course, but Utica last look was UNDENIABLY better, so should've won

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

@@tropicodefa she just made a video with Trixie Mattel saying that that video was way off, and that people think she's insanely rich when she's not. She did spend a lot of money though, but it wasn't 68k

[@tropicodefa]

@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 oooh okay thank youu!! i'm gonna watch it right now💕 tbh i'm glad she didnt spend 68k out of her pocket !!

[@craigallen9583]

The only proof of rigga morris that anyone needs is during the finale interviews. Rose got treated like it was a job interview, while Ru was tripping all over herself to laugh at every single thing that Kandy said

[@sittingaloneinvip]

SO TRUE. but why??? :/

[@Kottkumgen]

@@sittingaloneinvip I think we all know why. The narrative has to make sense and be consistent somehow

[@ethanpolley1085]

Denali had to lip sync on ice skates, ON ICE SKATES PEOPLE.

[@chlxbear]

that shit is HARD to even walk on skates on a floor too

[@spawn3721]

@@chlxbear I cant even stand for more than 10 seconds on ice skates and she did a fucking CARTWHEEL on them

[@lindabuck2777]

I was SO SHOCKED! I SCREAMED no so long and so loud my neighbors came running to see if I was ok lmao! I had to explain ‘you ever watch a competition rooting for someone and they get UNFAIRLY eliminated? Yes! We have! Well, that’s what happened to me!’ Sorry to scare you, thank you for caring -what we’re you watching? DRAG RACE! One of em screams ‘they eliminated DENALI?!?!?!’ Lol, I had no idea he was gay lol oh you should see him-OMG! Beyond buff and handsome! So we kinda cried together. I almost literally stopped watching for good! She BETTER be on Allstars, but dayum, they’re all steppin up their game! Money seems to be flowing generously now. Look at the quality being upped now. Anyway. Love your take on her too! 🙏🏻❤️

[@meraesu]

It was her choice, her fault 🤷

[@stacey4758]

@@meraesu it wasn't her choice & she was still more entertaining

[@ChaIsARiot]

I was SO annoyed with the way they portrayed Rosé. They gave her the too perfect edit to a stupid extent and there was no way anyone could ever relate to her. When Ru & Michelle did the interviews, they're so friendly and laughing, crying, and with Rosé they're just "you're SO professional, thank you for being here," and it's almost rude. And even in the finale it's very much making her personality revolve around her being Scottish and literally not much else. They didn't want her to win but there was no way they could have justified kicking her out at any point so...they just did nothing with her at all. I mean, at one point Ross compared her to Bianca and they just left it at that? I'd never seen anyone else say that Elliott had given up during that snatch game episode, it truly felt like it. Her lipsync against Lala was SO good, and the one against Utica in the confessional she's like "I can't dance in that outfit but oh well," and she's expressionless the whole time, you can tell she's gone. I mostly cried rigged when Denali was eliminated (and was heartbroken for the same reasons as you, and it felt like she wasn't given a fair chance to lipsync in that gown that wasn't even hers) but after watching the finale I can see why they didn't let her get top 4, in a lipsync for the crown situation how would have they justified her not winning.

[@shawnsxo8995]

EXACTLY! I felt like Rosé got the same edit as Chad Micheals on Season 4. almost to polished and downplayed her track record

[@zeeenno]

Just fyi Denali confirmed in a tweet that the dress that Oliva Lux gave her reveals to a leotard, but Denali chose to not take the dress off for the lipsync

[@agostinamandarina]

100% agree with everything that you just said. Do you want to form... an alliance... with me???

[@lune78]

YES!!! Finally someone said it! I agree 100%.

[@mininabs]

As someone who has perfectionistic personality tendencies, I really related to Rose. It can be stressful and so you just keep smiling and focusing on what is ahead of you, keeping things professional throughout. It's something most employers would love, but apparently Ru doesn't.

[@calliryansiegler3425]

The makeover challenge was 1000% rigged bc production chose the pairs. Whoever was with Mik was bound to be in the top so they put her w Kandy who was giving questionable runways throughout the season making it easy to save her. They put the two newest queens together, which is not always a disadvantage, but the reasoning of “queen you will learn most from” is lost on me here bc they would both learn more from someone with more experience. Production can decide when to judge in pairs and when not to, there are many times when teams or pairs are judged individually and this would have been a perfect time to do so...or save the double shantay for this episode since it would be unfair for someone to go home for another contestants mistakes

[@hristinazdravkovic1907]

YES! i also think that Tina and Olivia should have lip synced bc they were the ones that did the worst makeovers, it was not Denalis fault that Olivia did bad.. either that or double shantay

[@vanessak69]

Wait, the psychic lady didn’t pick? 😆I like Olivia, but I think it’s bullshit Denali went home.

[@dabrathaute3176]

I agreeee

[@garrettparker5764]

I honestly think they should have just cut the makeover challenge altogether. the queens had to pull looks that they never meant for runways (according to Denali) and not getting to present yourself in your drag for an episode really sucks. Denali did the best that she could but I think it was a poor choice to keep the makeover challenge when they could have easily scrapped it for another design challenge.

[@cesarvilla2677]

Yes! It was total BS that the psychic “picked” the pairs. Those pairs were definitely picked by production.

[@charmer129]

I dont hate kandy, I just honestly don't see what everyone seems to see with her. Her looks were primarily meh, and she was just loud instead of actually being funny

[@gillianc592]

Thank you, im the same i dont hage her, i just dont find her funny just obnoxious and some of her looks were questionable. Its not that i don't love banjee either as Vanjee is one of my favs.

[@tinypetalo]

“what everyone seems to see in her” girl? everyone in the fandom hates her. the only people who like her are the judges. kandy may have come off in a bad light in the season, but she’s a great queen, and she doesn’t deserve any of the hate she gets.

[@iamme8947]

Right she just trying to impersonate the stereotyped loud and mean girl, no one is living their daily life like that pls... also the judges calling this behavior "being real" and "sticking to you" is just idk weird

[@skyco5395]

why do ppl think she's loud lmfao. she just got mad in that one argument with tamisha. you LOOVE comparing big brown girls like her and silky. no, Kandy isn't loud just bc she got upset in that argument. Also Kandy is really funny. the ppl that Stan her do it bc of her humour. she is so gen Z, fake it til you make it kinda thing. even more than mik.

[@amogus5902]

Judges: We love each and every one of you just the way you are. Don't you dare change your personality for someone else. Love yourself Utica: Hey Judges: Not you tho

[@inkygrimmananas4928]

So true and so sad

[@msyokoming6970]

Have to cover Thee ass lol

[@StarryNightxx]

Same for Aiden on season 12 🤭 they hated on her wayyy too much.

[@marcusmelancon3426]

I think they gave Rosè the Miz Cracker treatment on Allstars of oh you did good but ...we don’t want you to win

[@crimeyfruit5676]

I honestly agree! Personally would had liked Miz Cracker to win AS5 but ngl even though rosé did really good this season, her lsftc was honestly a little underwhelming? She revealed into a worse dress and the dance moves were a little awkward but yeah I get your point

[@musicalme789]

@@crimeyfruit5676 she did have a sprained ankle. But in my opinion, Symone was the best lipsyncer out of the top 7 queens, so I knew she was gonna win. And to be honest, I didn't think any of the finale lipsyncs were even on the same level as S9 or S11.

[@zootmoe]

@@musicalme789 The finale lip syncs weren’t even close to the s9 and s11 lip syncs. Guess my expectations were too high. The finale runways overshadowed the lip syncs, so anticlimactic and underwhelming. The s11 Work Bitch lip sync with Mercedes and Kahanna was so much better.

[@noahreisner5199]

@@musicalme789 Symone just walks around in what way is she the best lip syncer I’m so confused😭

[@toukisacecard6532]

@@noahreisner5199 well sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. Imo it didnt strike a chord with me during her first lipsync with kandy, her lipsync with utica, and her first lipsync with tamisha. But it did wor the other times. So it's definitely a hit or miss. One thing's for sure: she's not versatile. If there were an all winners season, she could lose first

[@plutitogus]

No one is gonna talk about how Kandy Muse literally acted like herself in Snatch game. Like fr, she should’ve been in bottom for that, at least Utica and Eliott tried to act like they’re celebrity.

[@vibeology9432]

Kandy always acted like herself. A loud, annoying, vapid character. That’s all Kandy is. And I would excuse that if she had looks, but no, that wasn’t there. I don’t know how she and Tina Burner made it on the show. Black mail?

[@stijn4687]

like Silky acting like herself and fucking winning..... bullshit

[@Mmorguemusic]

The snatch game was the icing on the cake for me I was floored she didn't go home. She didn't do the assignment at all, looking like your character doesn't save a lame performance

[@jojojo89517]

Right that wasn't Patrick Star. That was Kandy in a pink turban.

[@jojojo89517]

@@stijn4687 Right ? I literally googled TS maddison to find out if that is how she really is.... and...to my non-suprise....TS Madison is nothing like how silk portrayed her to be on snatch game.

[@marthedramatiq]

Rupaul basically told Rosé "I know I can count on you to deliver whenever I call you." in the little table talk with Michelle. Rosé is too good to have on only one season. Also after hearing how the shows contracts work I think they're going to Jujubee the crap out of her.

[@mtoffo2275]

I really hope we'll be seeing Rosé in AS, I love how professional and entertaining she is, she's just a joy

[@karacoconutag]

When Rupaul said, "I know I can count on you to deliver whatever I call you," all I heard was "See you on all stars!"

[@marthedramatiq]

@@karacoconutag exactly lol

[@spawn3721]

I hate, hate, HATE when queens get Jujubee'd or Manila'd

[@loriwalters9158]

@@spawn3721 what does that mean? What happened to Jujubee?

[@MadameApeFace]

The weird thing is that the producers inadvertently(?) gave Rosé the classical Hero's Journey narrative. She comes in as an expected contender, but is immediately knocked off her pedestal. She battles her demons for a few episodes, fights her way back to the top, and then wins the challenge that dispatches the girl who beat her in episode one. It's Gladiator, but in heels.

[@noahreisner5199]

THIS

[@SHIkun9000]

oh my god this is so accurate

[@liyah.]

"Even if Utica's final runway look was much better than Gotmiks" *It was*

[@atlastsunrise]

I also thought it was interesting that, in my eyes, they sent a queen home twice for literally doing what the challenge asked of them? First of all, Tina got sent home on the branding challenge for...being too on brand? Like her main critique was that she always plays the same kind of character, that it's predictable but like...isn't an ad/branding challenge exactly where you need to do that? And to a certain extent I would honestly say the same thing for Denali. Did Denali do an incredible job on Olivia in the makeover? No. But compared to every single queen on that stage, I would have recognized at first sight that Olivia was supposed to be Denali. And wasn't that the point of the challenge, making your partner look like you? I think that maybe apart from Gottmik with Kandy - which, hey, not that difficult when you have such a strong signature makeup - Denali did the best job at actually making her partner look like her.

[@canarylol2987]

this!

[@aldricmartinez-olson7509]

I'm sorry but Olivia looked so crunchy. I was like Denali wtf is up with that wig line, you can see the glue popping out. And the makeup was so unblended. It was very on brand in terms of the outfit tho.

[@plumyster4062]

In the soda episode both queens in the bottom to were too on brand. Utica's was too wacky and crazy but the judges just didn't like it

[@agostinamandarina]

Omg yes! I actually think that Mik looked NOTHING like Kandy though

[@spawn3721]

@@agostinamandarina Fr, Mik looked more like Tina

[@etiennelemons]

There was another 'drag sister'. Kahmora Hall is the drag sister of Dida Ritz, Naysha Lopez and Jaida Essence Hall.

[@mykittystinksbad2]

Oh wow Dida and Naysha too? I didn't know that. Cool.

[@gaslight.mp3]

from the house of HAAAAAAAAAAALL

[@TheLastEgg08]

And now adopted by Tamisha.

[@alessandrobenitez188]

@@TheLastEgg08 reallt? Fierce, i love that

[@TheLastEgg08]

@@alessandrobenitez188 Yeah Tamisha liked her so much she adopted her as one of her daughters, that's so cute. Tamisha for all stars.

[@robynsegg]

We're just gonna ignore The Beast Couture challenge? We're just gonna ignore that of all the queens Utica was the only one who actually gave BEAST COUTURE while everyone else gave beast COSTUME. And Kandy... well... Kandy gave green alien unfantastic plastic Weekend At Bernie's with fig leaf furry unrealness. >_< We're really going to ignore that? Oh... okay. :/

[@beans6765]

I would say Rosé also had some couture but I agree, they preferred a fursuit over Uticas garment?

[@robynsegg]

@@beans6765 RIGHT???????? That's why I called rigga morris AND shenanigans on that bullshit! And where was THE REAL MICHELLE VISAGE????? The real one who made Adore Delano CRY for bringing an off the rack little number to All-Stars! THAT ONE! Where was she? Where was home-girl? Because there's no way in hell that she would have let that go by without rrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiping Kandy to shreds. All we get is... "It's interesting... but where's the beast? I love it." (Her exact words.) She didn't love that shit. She knows full well that she didn't love that shit. No one loved that shit. We all know the reason why both Kandy and Gottmik was allowed to slide this year, but no one wants to say it for fear of getting dragged for filth from "cancel culture". As for Rose's beast, it was very pretty, I'll give her that. And yes, I loved it. And the woodland publicity photos are BEAUTIFUL. But I still didn't see couture. Maybe it's just me. *shrugs* :/

[@idiotharley]

@@robynseggGET HER JADE

[@embiggenedsoul]

@@robynsegg Coming to this late but YES!! I said this half a dozen times this season about judging Kandy, especially on runway! It was shocking, actually. I get that what is “funny” is more subjective than runway, but Ru seemed like the only judge to genuinely think Kandy was funny when she wasn’t, though I would argue Ru was forcing the laughs because of the inexplicable agenda of pushing her along. I’ll never forget Ross and Carson both remarking on how *funny* they found Kandy and how insincere they sounded. IMO, the riggory was most obvious there, at least as far as pushing Kandy along thru mediocre comedy (hellacious and unremarked-on Snatch Game, the boring effort to be shocking and hilarious by constantly calling people (like Ru and Ross) “bitch” no matter the character, that incredibly UN-funny, easy choice, hyper-child clown that they praised to the skies, etc.) and often completely unacceptable “fashion.”

[@ThereMakeBeSnakes]

@@robynsegg I read that as “cancel couture” for some reason.😆 Maybe a Season 14 challenge?

[@rodrigoluna470]

I just wish the makeover had originally been planned as the double shantay, regardless of who was placed in the bottom. It’s super sad to see anyone leave with a look that doesn’t represent them.

[@mayruuh]

i think they just didnt want to drag out the season as they already had did. they need to stop with these double premieres and never do this porkchop queens stunt ever again.

[@Cimmantti]

What about the "riggory" of when they sort of actually liked Kandy's beast runway lol that was a gag

[@vibeology9432]

I could see the producers handing Ru and Michelle a bag of money right after that

[@cupcakehips9236]

It wasn't good. It didn't scream beast... 🤣 it was space, alien or something like that. Not beast

[@lll.24601]

Was that a green sperm? It made Michelle so uncomfortable!

[@happiestplace3754]

She should have been eliminated immediately for that sad runway. No lipsync, no nothing, just straight up escorted out by security.

[@feliciaecheverria]

Just like season 11, this finale was the tie breaker of the double shantay. I never want to see The Pork Chop again.

[@akeemrollins2327]

Technically not even a double. Kandy was eliminated and told "wait, don't leave yet."

[@feliciaecheverria]

@@akeemrollins2327 Good point!!!

[@feliciaecheverria]

@@akeemrollins2327 my disappointment is that she made it to the top 2. Happy Pride Month to you. 🏳️‍🌈🌈

[@akeemrollins2327]

@@feliciaecheverria whut? And thanks.

[@feliciaecheverria]

@@akeemrollins2327 Talking about Kandy M.

[@nicholasprincipe521]

Rose is one of the most talented queens to ever be on this show. Her talent alone garnered so many fans. Not only was she good at basically everything, but she was also so mature and professional. Obviously storyline matters, but it would be nice to see someone who is just amazing at what they do be rewarded for it.

[@kinger_jay]

I love me some Gotmikk but facts are facts.......Utica’s bag ball look was light years away. Truly epic

[@stijn4687]

only the sleeping bag one, the other two were not great, Mik had tree consistent looks and more important Mik presented them flawlessly on stage, while Utica was being a clown

[@weilette1670]

@@stijn4687 Utica's looks were also great too, as well as Gottmik. The challenge was mainly revolved around sewing. Which indicated that the last look [the show stopper] was the overall critiqued. Both queens had phenomenal oufits but Utica's was better and the whole bs about Utica being too 'quirky' or 'clownish' is hypocritical as Nicky Doll was always read for just being a Fashion Queen with no personality.

[@davidkonevky7372]

Honestly thought that altough utica's last look was more technically impressive, it wasn't as unclockable that it was made out of bags like gottmik's, which is probably why she won the challenge (other than the fact that they may have wanted to apologize to her for the cleaners accidentally throwing the look into the trash 😂

[@niamhcostello4766]

In the interview with Ru, you would see Ru laughing at everything Symone, Kandy, and Gottmik said! But Ru barely chuckled when he did the interview with Rose. I felt so bad for Rose

[@owaindavies9457]

The main problem I have was the Kandy save. She hadn't been necessarily riding high prior to it (like Dela was in her season), she was weak in the challenge and lost her lip sync. Not only was it unfair as a competion, saving Kandy just brought her unnecessary hatred.

[@felixoesinghaus]

Yes, just like Silky in S11, she was kept around for too long because she was always creating drama. But since everyone knows they didn't deserve to go as far as they did, the fans have a negative reaction towards them. They tried to construct Kandy having a 'comeback' with the roast challenge but if it was judged fairly, Rose or Gottmik would have won over her. Kandy quite literally just retold a Lady Bunny joke but still won because they needed it for her storyline. S13 was not as big of a mess as S11 because of the riggory but production really needs to stop with BS and make this a real competition without obvious favoritism.

[@wreckss8223]

@@felixoesinghaus I personally disagree. Kandy did not lose that lipsync during the Rusical and it was at least a tie between the two of them, if not Kandy winning. I personally like to think that they didn't want Symone to look weak at that moment despite being in the bottom, so they gave this narrative of her beating Kandy, AND THEN saving Kandy, instead of just doing the double shantay like they used to do it. I also think that the roast is debatable, but it is still a very deserved win. I clocked that Lady Bunny joke, but I personally thought she did it better, plus all of her other jokes landed so there's that. Just like in this video, I do think that Mik was favored more, and if it was judged "fairly", Kandy would still make it to the finale.

[@donamameng]

@@wreckss8223 kandy had p bad runways, and was saved more than twice. she was the worst in the first episode, she was double saved, she had that green alien-"beast" suit. i think her charisma wouldve brought her far, like 4th, but not finale imo

[@wreckss8223]

@@donamameng Saved more than TWICE? Let's see... (1) From critiques in ep. 3, she should've been in the bottom, but there were no bottom placements and only top 2 that week, which how these kinds of episodes work (like S12) so there was no saving whatsoever. (2) In the disco-mentary challenge, she was in the bottom 2, and it's funny because she could've been low instead and Mik should've been in the btm2 to replace either her or Tamisha. Utica could've landed there as well. She won the lipsync fairly, and if anything, it was slightly rigged against both Tamisha and her to favor Gottmik. (3) The Rusical: the only episode where you can say she was "saved" and arguable too, because a lot of people, dare I say the majority, think that she won that lipsync and Symone was saved for her track record. (4) Branding Challenge: Yes, her alien look was atrocious, but would you seriously put her in the bottom when she had the third best commercial? No. It was a well-deserved high placement based on the main challenge. (5) The Roast: She won this episode. Periodt. (6) Top 5: She was in the bottom because of her pockets look and no one other than Olivia really messed up. Fairly won the lipsync, moved on to top 4. Next. (7) Lucky: No one was supposed to go home this episode, and it wasn't necessarily adjusted just to save her lmao (8) Finale, vs. Rose: If you said she didn't win that, you'd be lying (9) Top 2, vs. Symone: Symone truly won the season, but I've seen others say that Kandy won that lipsync. Nevertheless, it was a good and pretty fair run. So where was those 3 times and above exactly?

[@donamameng]

@@wreckss8223 ​ damn my bad, you didnt have to write an essay to counter a casual commentary discussion?? i shouldve said she was bottom a lot, bc my point was the spot, as we are replying to: "... she was kept around for too long because she was always creating drama." also why r u so heated, i put shit like "i think" and "imo"

[@benburgess7182]

Rosé also outlasted Olivia Lux despite losing to her in the initial lip sync

[@eti3uphoria]

Uhmmmm faxxxx

[@Wicca_P]

Rose is a well adjusted intelligent professional performer and people like that dont make "good TV". People call her boring because she doesnt get into drama.

[@rat7746]

to me she gave very Chad Michaels energy in the way the judges talked about her

[@oceane1992]

What they did to Elliot was just straight up evil in my opinion. It was probably so heartbreaking to have everyone vote you out and single you out and think you’re leaving just to come back. I guess it would’ve been better if they’d used that story another time but they didn’t mention it again. I feel it was mean spirited and unnecessary

[@RB-747]

But then again out of all the Queens she is the only one who could deserve it lol

[@antoniomontero8204]

Considering that later in the season she reveals that suffers from clinical depression...this doesn't sit right with me

[@brunokajuru5780]

The whole porkchop thing was cruel.

[@ShabyUwU]

@@RB-747 You're nasty, stop spreading hate

[@d1etpussy621]

@@RB-747 You're obsessed with Elliott.. fan behaviour.

[@IWillBeHers]

It was definitely weird how in episode one Tina was shaken by the fact that Rosé was there (her reaction was priceless) and Rosé was like “yeah I don’t think Tina likes me very much lol” and then they completely dropped that storyline. Rosé is gonna come back into AS with her second vengeance quest (she was definitely pissed off after Denali left and came back swinging in the next three episodes).

[@Sue-pn7mq]

For me the most clear case of riggory was that there was no second design challenge so Utica wouldn’t make it to the finale.

[@paulceloso6948]

Her lipsyncing to the crown would've been jawdropping

[@TheRage07]

This season was so rigged it’s actually made me revaluate if I want to carry on watching anymore

[@loreingabarreto]

I said the same thing as I watched the finale

[@secretchambernoname]

I personally didn't even watch all of the episodes. there was a point in time where I just watched sibling watchery and the pit stop and that was enough for me. during previous seasons I would never watch any type of recap before watching the actual episode but I just didn't care for this season.

[@jpruedag]

Same

[@brunokajuru5780]

Same. I had always been a fan of the show but this is the only season I didnt feel like watching till the finale.

[@rh7583]

Same

[@halftimelordwizard]

"imagine a season where Denali, Rosé, Tamisha, and Utica claw their way to the end, taking out all the winners" this makes complete sense with my fantasy

[@symwinter]

I think the problem with the way the show treated Rosé was that they could’ve given her a storyline with Denali. In a lot of scenarios the two ended up working together, and in the RuPaul Mark Channel untucked Rosé was the one who told Denali to slay since she needed her to stay in the competition, so they should’ve shown more of those two as friends and then have the two lip sync with either one going home or one being the double save over Symone and Kandy. The simple fact of the matter is that Rosé had the cleanest track record, was polished in pretty much every look (except as Tina), and killed every challenge so acting like she wasn’t there was very upsetting. It’s Rosérasure as I called it. That being said, I’m not mad that Symone won.

[@dustyblue2ify]

Indeed~ totally get your perceptive on Rose. I do hope the Ru Paul show ventures for future seasons where: It's not producers/judges but "The Audience Voting In" on who stays or goes. To me that's more compelling and creates more of a Community Collective Engagement.....just a thought :)

[@LaSoldier505]

@@dustyblue2ify even if they dare to have the fans vote in they would still find a way to rig it ☹️

[@haryoungstacruz5996]

I hope they join all stars together

[@rachel6905]

YEPPPPP

[@toukisacecard6532]

I mean the looks weren't polished that's for sure, but GOD IS SHE SO PROFESSIONAL AND TALENTED IN REGARDS TO PERFORMANCE

[@supercullen0047]

Gottmik: does horrible in the disco and can challenge Judges: 🙈🙈🙈

[@kelsynicole9135]

Rosé is going to have an amazing All Stars track record too, I’m calling it now.

[@13myrrh]

And will be the runner up. Also, she'll be on the same season as Jan. We'll get a jealous Jan storyline. Damn this writes itself.

[@marcosrodrigues8070]

@@13myrrh Jan already recorded her all star season... it’s the one coming up

[@highonsugar6273]

Miss Tamisha better not be eliminated 3rd again, she deserved to go all the way 😭

[@MM-tf6zr]

For real though why is it the queens who were always talked about as big competition (or queens with a lot of experience) , eliminated so early like joe black in UK drag race

[@highonsugar6273]

@@MM-tf6zr it’s supposed to be for gags, and to “shock” the viewers, but the only thing the viewers are shocked about is the decision that was made to put them in the bottom 🙄😤

[@MM-tf6zr]

@@highonsugar6273 literally I was furious when joe was eliminated on the first episode, same with tamisha like they literally casted her for s12 and eliminated her 3 episodes in

[@highonsugar6273]

@@MM-tf6zr Ik, I think it’s because they didn’t want Joe Black to do well and the next episode was a rusical which she probably would’ve done really well in so they decided to just snipe her from episode 1 for no reason

[@jillianzito7261]

THIISSSS

[@Rpsinclair]

It’s funny that they didn’t try to give Rose a storyline, but she has my favorite, starting in the losers circle and clawing her way back to the top

[@lilyhamilton2183]

To me that was her storyline. Maybe we didn't get to know her as well but her story is basically the same as bimini in UkS2, starting with a fail but then riding high the rest of the season.

[@noahreisner5199]

I think that was her storyline and idk why people just ignore that that was a huge part of the season.

[@rochelle1192]

@@noahreisner5199 Not people, but the producers...? It was never referred to, it was never highlighted, except in very small, almost insignificant references. She was dimmed and her only storyline made insignificant by their choices.

[@rochelle1192]

They literally say Kandy 'clawed' her way, when really it was Rose trying to fight through the system of producers overshadowing her.

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

Rose never had any story line because she’s white and privileged. I’m sorry but it’s true. Look at all the other girls, symone being black and gay in a racist town, gottmik being trans and Kandy literally FIGHTING to the top (although she was helped). The pork chop and the winner circle was never really a thing no one cared for it but fans were forcing it. Denali and rose, it was forced a bit but it didn’t last because rose clearly did not care for Denali lool. Y’all can call me delusional but one thing about rose I know for sure is SHEEE will fake it with anyone to get to where she needs to get. Noticed how they barely interact on social media now? But during the season they were going on live everyday. Rose didn’t have the best runway, she lost all her lip syncs. I mean y’all she just did “good” in the challenge. I mean symone, gottmik and Kandy have SOOOO many catchphrases but rose only has “that’s what you just did 🎶 “ so there’s that

[@danielcisneros831]

3:39 Rosé also outlasted Olivia.

[@TiffyDiamondZP]

My exact first thought

[@amiraking6688]

She shouldn’t have

[@TiffyDiamondZP]

@@amiraking6688 you’re right. Rosé never showed versatility in her character development and only gave us the same thing over and over again, unlike Olivia. Oh wait 🤔🤷🏻🤷🏻

[@danielcisneros831]

@@amiraking6688 Olivia FLOPPED in every single challenge since snatch game. So 🤗

[@amiraking6688]

@@TiffyDiamondZP she lost lol

[@rat7746]

Everything that happened with Utica makes me so sad, and pointing out the only time she won was when she wasn't being herself makes it even sadder. To me she should have 100% won the bag ball, her look was so incredible with way more technicality into it that Gottmiks, and I personally love the way she presents herself on the runway, she's telling a story through movement and showing you don't have to be a pageant or runway queen to be fashion. Also the way Ru treated her whilst she was doing the roast was very unprofessional and childish to me, even if it wasn't funny and was mean at times it wasn't deserving of that response, I'm pretty sure they also said to Farrah Moan that her roast was mean but no one ever flipped her off during her act.

[@tinypetalo]

“this just proves you’re only considered robbed when you’re a fan favorite” YOU’RE SO RIGHT. i love denali so so much, but it really does break my heart how badly tina was treated by the fandom and by the show. she’s funny! she’s talented! she’s not great in the looks department, and she’s not super charismatic, but i just feel like she was edited in a bad light. the video she posted of what would’ve been her roast was so mf funny

[@annaparry4384]

I feel like I've had such a love hate relationship with season 13 just because of it's length. The queens are phenomenal, the challenges were mostly good and I liked knowing there was always going to be something for me to watch but God do I feel like it's been going on for years. A few episodes being cut, less twists about queens coming back and it would've been better in my opinion

[@JJ-vd1rs]

For snatch game I definitely think Symone gave a safe performance. Both her and Rose did modern version of historical figures, but I just felt Symone was just doing Symone rather than a unique character. Plus she totally missed Ru’s reference which is never good. She had an amazing runway but just a safe performance

[@dominikr8428]

my thoughts! for example her jennifer lawrence moment could have been easily edited into being awkward and with no laughs at all

[@balletbeauty7421]

I thought her Harriet was funny, but tbh it was safe. But that runway... ICONIC! That runway won the episode for me. It’s such an important message and I thought it should’ve put her in the top. Not the win, but top for sure.

[@stupidityisadiseasegetwell5175]

how is harriet tubman supposed to ... “”feel””

[@skyco5395]

.... she wasn't in the top... Symone was safe in snatch game

[@thatlemonadeguy6742]

I liked her performance but yeah, that Jennifer Lewis moment could've been easily turned into a Katy Perry "have you ever kissed a girl?" or a Marylin Monroe's "you're into politics, right?" moment. It was funny but they edited it to be funny.

[@singerdude1992]

I love Utica, but she reminds me of an art student that says "you just don't understand my work" and refuses to compromise

[@givemethedie8464]

I agree, and for most cases that’s okay- however like art school, drag race is a place where you must be versatile and meet the expectations and requirements of the judges so as to graduate/ win dr

[@RomansR2]

If Serena ChaCha was white

[@neeliknowsnothing]

Very that. Mocking the judges for telling her her jokes were bad and to change for the challenge was...

[@crimeyfruit5676]

@@neeliknowsnothing right and when loni snapped back with the read (no hate), even if how poorly the queen did, you shouldnt interfere with the roast and embarrass them

[@kyliessave8454]

@@crimeyfruit5676 ugh this. It was heartbreaking how mean spirited they were towards her. Almost lowkey bullying.

[@samanthaabreu782]

The moment Ru said that Simone had star quality, I knew she would win, doesnt matter what happened. So I didnt even care to watch the finale.

[@gertibitchin]

As soon as they called Tina’s beast outfit costume-y, but said that Symone’s literal furry suit “elevated,” I knew that riggory was afoot.

[@larey9484]

I'm gonna say something controversial : I don't think Elliott did all that bad in the Bossy Rossy challenge. Sure, she started out quiet and didn't quite meet Tina's energy, but it was clearly intentional and their tits/ass fight and makeout made up for it in my mind. It was a MUCH better payoff than Kandy/Symone's scene that didn't really go anywhere, energy-wise

[@highonsugar6273]

What they did to Elliot was so mean but if they wanted to make it more of a gag they could’ve put the loser circle episode first and then the winners circle episode

[@RB-747]

Mean but then it is Elliott...

[@kobemartinez1082]

@@RB-747 2 wrongs don’t make 1 right

[@Joee003]

I wish they had done that.

[@luisluis9904]

Elliot with 3 Ks 😍

[@inventions178]

@@luisluis9904 People need to stop comparing her to the KKK it's not even funny anymore smh.

[@rufuslindberg9915]

In my opinion this was the most rigged season

[@jaydenosafo9381]

Season 12 is right there

[@EscSłonecznika]

I think Season 11 is, but 13 does come close

[@miguelfreitas8517]

s11?

[@kyliessave8454]

@@miguelfreitas8517 yeah... Shuga, Silky, Nina, Scarlet. Mostly Silky.

[@frog9311]

S12 and S11 are right there

[@LM11116]

whenever you talked about the loser's circle and who made it far into the season you keep referring to only denali and rosé, but utica made it further than denali

[@EnchantedNuns]

I'm sorry, but I had trouble taking you seriously when you agreed Gottmik won the ball. Utica made the single best outfit in the history of drag race out of a material that is hard to work with in the same time that Lalari made that epically horrendous bag outfit and she helped out every queen with their outfit. Utica 100% deserved to win the ball Also, I agree Tina did not deserve to be in the bottom 2 when she went home, but she lost that lipsync. Utica brought an entirely unique energy while Tina gave what every single drag queen and their grandma would do. She also lost steam near the end while Utica kept building. And according to Bob and Monet, Tina sucks at roasting so it really is not a given that she would've done well in the next challenges

[@IggyLazarevic]

I think the reason why Rosé resonated with a lot of people (myself included) was the fact that she was the true underdog of the season, much like Jinkx Monsoon. She had to claw her way up to the top with nothing to rely on but herself. She was consistently good, she’s a performer who owns the stage and she basically did nothing wrong throughout the competition. Yet other girls got so much more attention because they are better reality show material.

[@lorenzidane15]

You forgot about Kahmora litteraly being season 12 winner's sister lmao

[@jasminpratt-minor7870]

Factz

[@hollypng7829]

she's forgettable🤷‍♀️

[@DesignzRUs1]

@@hollypng7829 Like your mother.

[@draginja648]

I think what also plays into Rosé's lack of storyline is that all season she gives hints here and there that she doesn't play up things in front of the camera and isn't feeding into what the producers are trying to do. When watching untucked I saw so much of her actual personality being a very motherly, supportive and level-headed queen but also having a quirky side to her, but if you compare it to the narration she is given in the actual episodes you don't see anything of that. I think that I also wouldn't have warmed up to her if I didn't see Untucked. And let's be honest, Untucked is watched by real drag race fans and not by most of the drag race viewers. I also think that maybe her professionalism and level-headedness is not liked by the producers because; it is not fun TV. In untucked she called out/critiqued Kandy, Tina, Olivia and Utica, but also praising them and actually giving constructive criticism for them to work with. And that is... boring TV. Rosé wasn't playing the game of an overly dramatic edit because she wasn't feeding them content, and I think that is what annoyed the producers. Secondly, if someone doesn't make good reality TV because of the reason above, the second thing producers can look is a sad background story. In Rosé we don't know if her storyline is just not projected at all, but from what we know she's had a supportive family and friends and has a good reputation in New York so she didn't have much hardships they could focus on instead. This again makes the producers left with nothing. But this still isn't fair, because they could have easily given us just the sentimental happy story too of "I have had a supportive family (...) it is so nice to see the world more acceptable (...)" ect. but they didn't even try that. Now these two things considered, it was fairly obvious they could've never crowned Rosé, because drag race is reality TV first and maybe in older seasons this would have worked, but the fans response is so highly influenced by the narrative of the show that it was obvious they wouldn't crown her in any way. I think they were just at a loss that Rosé is so well-rounded that there was no room in any challenge to put her, believably, in the bottom and eliminate her, and that's why they kept her.

[@canarylol2987]

its just crazy cuz what good reality TV did symone give?

[@coconutgelato7459]

Production could have given her (and us) the only storyline she was willing to play into by pairing her with Denali during the makeover but nope 🥲

[@ryanevansdeservedbetter560]

@@canarylol2987 someone who was clear top 4 for the beginning, a emotional bad story, moments of weakness like with being in the bottom and some of the best looks this season, comedy moments

[@draginja648]

@@coconutgelato7459 For real they could have milked the shit out of her and Denali's storyline because we know the straight girls love to eat that up, but they didn't even try that. Missed opportunity to cash in on that tbh, because even without much focus the straight girlies still ate that up. If I was a producer I'd do differently hahaha. I think with pairing up w/ Tina I think they thought Tina and Rosé would have tension but again Rosé doesn't do petty drama so instead it actually ended on a good note with them. She had no time for what the producers were doing it was clear.

[@draginja648]

@@canarylol2987 I think "good TV" isn't only about making drama in drag race, it is also just the showcase of someone's backstory and inner saboteur. If you see people grow through the competition (Gottmik) or later stuggle (Symone) this helps establish a certain emotional connection between the viewer and the queens. Symone had a well established story-arc which is why people liked her even though she also wasn't much confrontational and controversial (like Rosé). She just had a storyline through the competition and therefore she made "good TV" in her own way. It is picking and chosing from the producers who they want to stand out and not, that is overproduced reality TV in a nutshell.

[@phoenixrising7777]

If the only thing keeping Utica from winning is her kookiness, you know she was robbed. Main challenge matters the most and they didn’t want to recognize that Utica was the fashion queen of the season.

[@larey9484]

Honestly, I think she should've won the Bag Ball, but then sent home at the first opportunity (ie. Bossy Rossy). Having her stay so long was painful as she began to rub everyone the wrong way, culminating in her infamous roast

[@fittinginisforjigsawpieces3141]

@@larey9484 personally I didn't get annoyed by her and... honestly? I think her being in the roast was the best thing. Like.... cmon. The sheer amount of iconic moments packed into that episode all stem from her. Plus, her and symone were great in the makeover, her vs tina was THE bomb, and I think it was worth it just to see her looks on the main stage every week. I really appreciated her being there, and honestly she felt like one of the only things keeping this season from stagnation.

[@MattWhiteMattWPBS]

100%. Utica was THE fashion queen, rather than the one wearing fashion.

[@larey9484]

@@fittinginisforjigsawpieces3141 I guess I didn't like that she was almost trying too hard to be the "weird queen" when she didn't need to be. She's obviously very talented already and it felt disingenuous to see her be weird just for the sake of being weird

[@fittinginisforjigsawpieces3141]

@@larey9484 honestly, to me that seems like her actual persona. Like if you see her out of the show, she acts the same. I defo see how she could get tiring, but like kandy, this isn't an act. It's just her.

[@hyukitos]

I still think Utica won the lip sync against Tina, i mean, her performance made me literally gag, she was just iconic in that lip sync. The embodiment of a cartoon villain was perfect.

[@rat7746]

I fully agree with this, I feel like Tina was just pulling out her typical go to moves, which whilst they were sickening, just didn't fit the vibe of the song, whilst not only did Utica give something unique she also twisted it to make sense with her outfit creating a full character, she definitely deserved that win hands down

[@hyukitos]

@@rat7746 Exactly!

[@ImmortalBroken]

YES! I had to run back the video to see if TDD actually said Tina won the lip sync lol, like, what?? She did well enough, but Utica's performance was dark and sexy and funny and campy and hypnotic, just everything!

[@hannahmacdonald9040]

I thought the go to moves were better suited for the song 'my humps', it's not really a villain type of song, it's a fun upbeat song. Just my opinion though!

[@nootdraws]

@@hannahmacdonald9040 I see that, but here’s my thoughts on the matter. Tina was giving the energy of the female vocals in the chorus. That upbeat “my humps, my humps, my humps, my humps they got you”. Utica gave the male vocals of the chorus. That more melodic, crooning “she’s got me spending”. (Ofc throughout the song both the male and female vocals have lines where they’re upbeat and more melodic, but I’m just picking out their roles in the chorus for simplicity’s sake so I can clearly identify the two different tones of the song.) The song has upbeat and energetic vocals to dance to about having a nice body, and a more dark enchantress energy of seducing men and getting men to spend money on you. Both Tina and Utica tapped into a different quality of the song that matched with their outfits. Utica would’ve looked odd bopping and dancing to the song, while Tina would’ve looked odd channeling dark feminine energy. At the end of the day they were performing different aspects of the song, so it’s hard to say who was doing ‘better’ or who was more accurately channeling the energy of the song.

[@minimal7496]

21:00 "I know everyone hates Tina Burner" I really can't be the only one who found Tina adorable this season and fell in love with her, specially in the second half

[@marinakrae5505]

I did too, I don't understand why people dislike her so much. I think they got a bad first impression of her and never changed that

[@hailey-rosevintora6211]

I Don't Love Her But I Like Tina. I Could Definently Relate To Her Being From A Small New York Town (Although It Never Was Brought Up On The Show) And Tina Seems Like The Type Of Person Who's Chill And That One Older Person Who Trys To Be Hip But It Works

[@hannahmacdonald9040]

It's funny because I actually liked Tina Burner and did not like Utica, found her rude and pretty snakey yet more people like her over Tina XD

[@brundlefly88]

She was my favorite in the season honestly 🔥

[@EscSłonecznika]

I actually do think the makeover episode could be rigged. I think at that point, production had a very good idea of who they wanted to make it further, and who they didn’t want anymore, and they clearly didn’t want Denali in the top 4, so as soon as they saw a challenge where she stumbled, production jumped at the opportunity to send her home, because they knew she would be a serious threat later on if she stayed. When they saw Olivia flop horribly, it would have been easy for production to change the format of the episode, so Denali would lip-sync by default and then go home, instead of Tina lip-syncing and probably going home as well, but production knew the commercial challenge would trip Tina up (even though it really didn’t) so she could go then, but Denali was a much stronger contender, so getting rid of her now was a safeguard so they didn’t have to send Kandy, Symone or Mik home later on. Even if the placement wasn’t rigged, this still should have been the double save, but of course they wasted it on Kandy, just like in UK2 when A’Whora had the best lip sync but the double save was spent on Ellie Diamond to keep her for a little longer.

[@Andre-nz7cd]

This

[@miyahrobinson9044]

You don't understand how much I agree with this

[@RomansR2]

They knew Denali was a strong lipsyncer and took the best chance they had to eliminate her. Especially as she had put her all into improving at acting after her first B2.

[@erosnelix]

i agree with the denali sentiment. i think this was realistically the only clear cut challenge they had to eliminate her, because you couldn't guarantee her doing bad at any other point. i think they also did the same to scarlet on season 11. where if they didn't eliminate them when they did they probably would have made top 4.

[@skyco5395]

honestly, the makeover is always the iffy challenge. on s10 Kameron was in the bottom is ready of aquaria so she could send home Monet. in s11 we got Nina vs Silky, in s12 we got the double shantay. and now we also get the makeover mid-season

[@LM11116]

tina being in the top over lala for the discomentary gave me whiplash

[@isaacmahoney5947]

Lala really slayed that fucking challenge and no one cares, she did just as good as Tina.

[@judgmntready1028]

same! i thought lala deserved to win imo

[@karenfromfinance2280]

why was tina in the top what 🤨

[@isaacmahoney5947]

@@karenfromfinance2280 I mean Tina did do great, don’t know why Elliott was there tbh.

[@plc9359]

@@isaacmahoney5947 elliott has the best dance performance among all the queens in that disco challenge. Like to be fair, she got them moves

[@yapasdepanneau7934]

Imo, Utica won that lip-sync against Tina, but Tina should NEVER have been in the Bottom

[@marinasjp7163]

That’s true mik should be there and Tina in the last episode ,it’s like they tried to safe Tina in the makeover but then they want to get her out of the competition,it would better and more logical have a lipsync between rose and her based of their past behavior with each other

[@yapasdepanneau7934]

@@marinasjp7163 True !

[@fvllreal]

The treatment of Utica in the season is one of the main things that made me not enjoy this season as much... and probably never want to rewatched again

[@halcyonxlover]

Darling you have to watch the season again 'cause to say that Kandy was only 'pushed' in just one episode. Please.

[@stijn4687]

Kandy was favored so much and totally did not deserve a top 4 placement

[@lanefair2950]

Judges hating Utica for her 'cOokY' behaviour but always living for Symones head bobble. They should have loved them both or hated it both

[@KylieWilson]

Thank you, I honestly think Symone gets waaaaay too much credit as a lipsyncer, she literally does the same “wander around the stage and do a head bobble” schtick every single time

[@sasklucy]

the utica tina lipsync really could have gone either way for me, both performances were SO different that comparing them felt impossible. i loved how utica made my humps into this spooky intense evil queen character performance that completely transformed the song, so she was my personal choice to win, but i also think it deserved a double save way more than kandy and symone. however imo neither should have even been in the bottom (utica’s commercial was the only one that made me actually laugh, sue me). also i can’t help but wish they’d kept tina for the roast instead of utica.

[@fittinginisforjigsawpieces3141]

Honestly it should have been gottmik and kandy, sorry but that fuckin alien sucked, or possibly have her as low and put liv in the bottom, at least then we wouldn't have production pulling a second double save to protect kandy and gottmik.

[@kyliessave8454]

God same. I was laughing my head off at Utica's commercial..

[@beans6765]

@@kyliessave8454 it was so random and the Jesus part really made me laugh 😭

[@TheFroggyCat]

Season 13 seemed so weird when you compare it to S12 before it, and UK2 alongside it. In UK2 and S12 I really thought those entire casts had potential to win the whole thing. I thought Joe Black, Cherry Valentine and Awhora would be the tops on UK and it's so exciting to see your favs go home first and be surprised. Whereas this season in the first week you can tell Joey Jay, Kahmora, Utica, Tamisha and basically every loading doc girl except Rose was going home early and Kandy and Symone were gonna go far (Kandy didn't do well in most of the competition and you can still tell she will make it to the finale, but someone like Awhora who had the most storyline and was doing well got sent home when she wasn't even the worst) . Other than Denali doing as well as she did S13 did not surprise me or excite me at all. I know we aren't meant to compare the seasons but when you air two seasons together at the same time its inevitable

[@MattWhiteMattWPBS]

I think S12 was good in part because they had to re-edit it to remove the predator and the storylines involving them. Imagine if they'd had to edit out one of the top four this season (maybe not Rose, given the lack of character arcs), and had to fill the space with things that had happened more organically on camera.

[@JovFlores]

denali doing well should not be a surprise 🙄

[@TheFroggyCat]

@@JovFlores knowing what I know now yes, but from first impressions I didn't think much of her and boy did she prove me wrong

[@CarlosHenrique-sr7hr]

No way Tina won that Lipsync against Utica Utica effortlessly slayed those lyrics and facial expressions Tina just looked desperate, it was uncomfortable to watch

[@nikolaydavydov9920]

Say all you want, but Utica's roast was best for me. Roasting Ru for wearing pajamas - Brilliant

[@ait8551]

If we wanna talk about Robbery Tina is right there. Multiple placements bumped down which is bs yet no one ever talks about it cause she wasn't the fan favourite

[@vibeology9432]

I would rank Tina in the “meh” column. Overall she did .. ok? A comedy queen who didn’t seem funny, with some pretty bad looks and not very likeable. If anything the producers should’ve kicked her out long before.

[@stijn4687]

what? she had horrible runways, really bad taste and ugly, she had to be eliminated sooner, the gag is that she stayed too long......... Also her make up on Rose???? terrible, she should be in the bottom that episode........like ,her and Olivia the right bottom 2

[@samuelline9573]

I still hate when we get an episode 1 group challenge. The queen who gets eliminated sometimes gets screwed by something that wasnt their fault.

[@canarylol2987]

THIS! we need to go back to design challenges early. how many drag queens are in the world acting? why are there so many comedy challenges and no more design challenges? like its been harped you dont need much to do drag but then they dont do that at all anymore

[@shookistheblaine8521]

The biggest rigged moment is not having Kahmora Hall walk the runway every episode despite being eliminated. She was stunning

[@blackmanta9697]

I believe that a massive amount of Rosé's storyline was altered this season as she looks different in half of her confessionals and it seems like they strung together a sort of cocky and confident edit that might not have been there at the time and they might have scrapped some rosé tina drama to make give kandy more air time

[@jesseprincipe7143]

i feel like Utica could have easily been given an Alyssa Edwards edit (whatever she does is good because shes funny)

[@uniquely.mediocre1865]

They really dropped the ball with Rose, she could've had the storyline of an underdog (because she was in the porkchop group) who would later go on to win the season

[@yoshitrainerdc9978]

ESPECIALLY after Jinx’s win being so appreciated by fans like tf. Plus, Rosé was the clear fan favourite to win just over Symone. (Thats not me discrediting Symone’s win, she was my No.1 choice from day 1

[@asteraguilar4886]

@@yoshitrainerdc9978 seemed like to me that the fans were evenly split between Gottmik and Symone, and then Rosè was a clear third place... but go off ig

[@yuisacrylicnail5787]

Her sprained ankle really hindered her in the ls's tho

[@uniquely.mediocre1865]

@@yuisacrylicnail5787 oh is that why, I haven't watched the finale yet. A fair loss is a fair loss but they really didn't help rose lol

[@yuisacrylicnail5787]

@@uniquely.mediocre1865 Yeah she did lose fairly, sorry for spoiling it for you though :(

[@aidenlynch4611]

I'm surprised this video isn't 330 hours long😭

[@isaacmahoney5947]

Why are we pretending Denali didn’t do the second worst makeup on the makeover challenge. She made Olivia look horrible, I blended and crusty. Obviously Tina make rose look awful but olivias makeup on Denali was great. Some got confused by Olivia choosing to give her a pageantry look but I’m fine with it because she had served looks like that in the show before like in the entrance and yellow runway. To me the only failure Olivia did was not forcing Denali to smile excessively and be happier on the runway. I think people got blinded by their love of Denali and what the show told them.

[@noahreisner5199]

@Vince Guibert Rose had to work on a completely different body type and with that considered I honestly think she did fantastic.

[@isaacmahoney5947]

@@noahreisner5199 no we saw better examples of that with gottmik and kandy. Both were so different and succeeded, Tina and rosè did not.

[@noahreisner5199]

@@isaacmahoney5947 I also think Gottmik succeeded. As for Kandy I just didn’t see her on Mik and I don’t understand why the show said differently.

[@isaacmahoney5947]

@@noahreisner5199 I agree I don’t think the makeup she gave mik was very kandy, but it looked amazing and the outfit was right so I think she was more successful than rosè but only by one or two placements.

[@JovFlores]

@Vince Guibert it wasn’t a dress denali had worn on the show yet. it looked similar to her entrance but it wasn’t the same

[@dioressynce490]

Could you imagine a season where untucked is litterally the queens in silence smiling saying, “omg I love y’all’s looks 😍” 😭😭

[@lune78]

The favoritism was always there but I feel it's never been more apparent than on season 13. I expect Gottmik to get the Shea Couleé treatment on All Stars eventually. Also I didn't really like Tina but she definitely did NOT deserve to go home. They really just wanted to get rid of her before the roast, which she would have definitely won. And you're so right about the judges downplaying Rosé's track record, she did great the whole season but oh, she's "too much of a perfectionist", like what the fuck? She was hands down the most well-rounded queen of the season, but it still wasn't enough.

[@Th3GAM3rsBr0Th3rH00d]

If you listen to the Sibling Rivalry podcast, Bob and Monet both say how Tina Burner, while being hilarious, is terrible at roasts. Food for thought

[@JovFlores]

after seeing tina upload her roast, i’m glad she was eliminated beforehand because that was rough 😭

[@blushchuu]

@@JovFlores I haven’t seen it, is it bad enough to put her in the bottom for the episode over Symone?

[@nonstop4453]

Not people saying "Symone's favoritism" when she wasn't favored even ONCE. Just because the judges love her doesn't mean they are favoring her.

[@jakecastino6331]

Her favoritism was extremely minimal compared to queens like Mik and Kandy (love them both tho)

[@meredith_8111]

She legitimately earned every single one of her wins. It’s bizarre that people think she was favored.

[@comsicartisan7700]

The double shantay and the double win both are questionable

[@nonstop4453]

@@comsicartisan7700 It wasn't a double shantey, RuPaul decided to keep Kandy because she wanted to see more of her. And the double win is questionable to YOU, not for the judges. I honestly think Symone should have won solo, but am I going around and saying that Rosè was favored? No.

[@gfriendk]

If anything, they put symone in the bottom for the smallest of things, when other contestants were getting a free pass lol

[@heymistercarter.]

You know, you mentioned Elliott going home after that vote-off being a gag. I kinda would love to see someone do a video for What If Elliott HAD actually been eliminated, what the season would’ve looked like. Am I alone on that?

[@MM-tf6zr]

I would’ve loved if they did what they did with Trixie in season 7 and brought her back later in the season

[@meowwwmeowwww5555]

it likely would've been almost the same season, since elliott really didn't do much

[@mariopork4945]

If they actually for real sent her home after that Vote, that would’ve just been cruel

[@MM-tf6zr]

@@mariopork4945 but that’s why I said they should’ve brought her back like that would’ve been a gag if she returned three episodes later

[@smooveayy]

I think she should have stayed eliminated after the vote off. Bringing her back didn't add anything to the show

[@Bsq20]

I think Utica commercial episode was not what Utica planned her video to be like, because I don’t think she’s that messy. she was clearly upset and I think the production wanted to play mind games with her to have a meme or viral moment like Jan the past season, but Utica kept calm and didn’t gave her them what they want they wanted to paint her as a villain but she had this cute little warm voice in her confessionals it didn’t work out

[@moonfairyjoonie]

i feel like they didnt wanna crown Rosé so they could push a rolaskatox storyline with Stephanie's Child. I mean if they took Jan and Rosé back to back Lagoona isnt far behind

[@noahreisner5199]

I would agree except jans Going to be on all stars 6 so it’s not gonna happen

[@laysfordays7363]

Yeah, but Jan will be as6 but they could do a thing with rosé and denali

[@phoenixrising7777]

Tamisha Denali and Utica were done dirty! The villain edit on Utica was shameful!

[@aldricmartinez-olson7509]

I loved Utica's edit. She can be a shady bitch on tv, in real life she's such a sweet person. I love a good villain.

[@phoenixrising7777]

Aldric Martinez-Olson tell that to all the hate and death threats she gets. I mean a villain is fun in a movie but it’s real life and it has significant effects on them

[@aldricmartinez-olson7509]

@@phoenixrising7777 well then production needs to constantly remind people at the beginning and end of each episode that what they're watching is barely real. And they need to stop catering this show to young teens. Every reality TV show needs a villain

[@GuadalupePerez-bh5hp]

I wonder if durign the psych evaluation the producers discoverd Elliott’s depression and let her go thru that series of eliminations just to make her feel even more vulnerable and let her melt down in later episodes, you know, like exploting her mental healt for views and a sad story line

[@TheSadBunny]

I was rooting for Denali from episode one, I was pissed when she went home.

[@icedcoffeex7671]

If Gottmik gets a little better at lip syncing, I see her slaying an all stars season and possibly winning

[@andreacooray2702]

"Denali is the only queen this season to outlast the queen who beat her in the premiere lipsync" It's the Rosé erasure for me

[@lorloretta_]

😭😭😭

[@wastingsun]

The fact you had this ready so soon kinda says a lot about how much production was sneaking up suspicions...but next up we take a trip to Canada, eh?

[@Maatjuhhh]

CANADA IS WHERE IT'S AT!

[@kingvamp8267]

IMO I'm really happy that Symone did not get almost any favoritism, she got the trackrecord that Gigi deserved, but still payed off in the end as she won and is a fan favorite

[@canarylol2987]

i mean her first win using lyrics like "legs up to my waist" is questionable. like the whole condragulations group was worst than the phenomenon group so theres one free win. the double win also questionable with the "costume" that any other queen would get read for and for also doing the same character over and over again. Ill give her the flag factry win and the makeover challenge win (but also questionable on the pairings, like why did Symone not get tina or olivia).

[@kingvamp8267]

@@canarylol2987 Condragulations episode as a whole was... meh. The top 2 however was the right one, and Symone won that lipsync fair and square. I know that lots of people don't like the double win on the commercial one but I really thought Symone's was better? Rosé's outfit was hands down the best but the humor (>for me

[@coconutgelato7459]

@@canarylol2987 what;s wrong with that Congratulations verse? It’s a real phrase and it fits her drag. Gottmik’s lines about her waist in Lucky were more pointless and weird to me. Congratulations as a whole was really bad and bland but none of that has to do with Symone.

[@canarylol2987]

@@coconutgelato7459 thats a phrase? Where

[@SavioByrczak]

Luckily for that because Gigi did not deserve some of her wind and should’ve been in the bottom at least twice. She she really was favored. Symone wasn’t and still slayed

[@Mac-mp4kj]

I’m sorry but in no way did Tina win that lip sync against Utica lol. We remember Utica’s performance way more than Tina’s. Tina also didn’t know the words at several points in the second half. Utica made Ru laugh a lot as well and that’s what Ru loves. Everything else is on point though. Can’t wait for “If Season 13 was judged fairly”

[@playydates]

THANK YOU OMG PEOPLE SEEM TO FORGET THAT MISS TINA DIDNT KNOW THE WORDS FOR MAJORITY OF THE SONG

[@phoenixrising7777]

Omar Jimenez but don’t you know? Utica sucks at everything so if she does well, that means it’s rigged. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@playydates]

@@phoenixrising7777 she sucks for you lol why bother hating on her

[@riannecharlotte7923]

I just want to add to this video that the amount of anger people still have for Kandy for the "Kandy, wait!" moment just makes no sense at all! It was literally just another double save like we've seen before, just worded differently. They probably thought that would add something new to a double save, but fans are still taking it so, so seriously. And now on All Stars, fans are *again* dragging up this moment to hold it against her. Thanks for pointing out that the favoring was nowhere as much as these fans keep saying it was.

[@PotatoInABeanie]

I definitely agree it makes the first episode seem pointless for Elliott to come back but it would’ve been awful if Elliott spent all that money for garments and didn’t get to show off a single one because she happened to be the last one to arrive. It would’ve been gagworthy but morally a disgusting thing to do.

[@beans6765]

Especially as she had no choice or say in the matter. This was all based on first impressions, what was she supposed to do? Get close with all the queens within like 20 minutes 😭?