The rise of the Right is fuelled by ‘disillusionment’ | John McDonnell

“The warning from the rise of Reform is… social democratic governments have to deliver."
“Disillusionment” from broken promises “is what the right feeds off,” @JohnMcDonnellMP tells @KateEMcCann.
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[@user-hi5pz6db9t]

What about the recognition of a Taiwanese state who have given plenty to the world, whereas Palestinians have taken our tax money and we have got nothing back in return.

[@DM_Andy]

Because you can either recognise the Republic of China or the People's Republic of China. Both governments agree that Taiwan is part of China and both governments hold the position that they are the legitimate government of China. It's not often that anyone says this but in this regard it's true - the Israel/Palestine issue is far less complicated.

[@boxtradums0073]

@@DM_Andybeat me to it lol

[@terrencelong6436]

oh we did..we got the islamic invasion...

[@leavesinautumn5959]

We took most of their country and give it away to someone else, condemning them to 80 years of war and oppression. Palestinians don't owe us anything, it's us who owe them (and I don't mean money).

[@silondon9010]

Anyone with concerns on illegal immigration call them Far Right 😢

[@mycatspethooman5590]

If you can't afford children then don't have them, I brought up 3 children as a single parent, I worked damn hard to provide for my kids because I saw it as my responsibility not the tax payers

[@mikeparrott8304]

I'm from Croydon. Look at what immigration has done to Croydon. The right is not delusional to not want this across the country.

[@andybrice2711]

Hmm, I'd say Croydon's problems are perhaps more about corruption than immigration. Like Croydon was on a pretty good trajectory a few years ago, with decreasing crime and a well-integrated black middle-class. Then a series of questionable property dealings by the council bankrupted it.

[@mikeparrott8304]

@@andybrice2711 crime has not decreased in Croydon for 20 years regardless of how they manipulate the numbers. The cold hard uncomfortable truth is the mass stabbings are way above the national average and the home office being located in Croydon has caused an influx of migrants namley Im afraid Romanian gypsies who are responsible for gang violence. The black on black crime is also disproportionatley high, the black people in Croydon especially West Croydon into London are not middle class they are poor and always have been. The few middle class black, white and other ethnicities live in South Croydon which is a very small part of Croydon. The council and government have overpopulated Croydon along with as you say a corrupt Labour council. Guess what anyone with any sense moves to Essex or the South Coast. You csn be as liberal and white middleclass as you like but you wouldn't let your future children walk through the high street during the day let alone at night

[@mikeparrott8304]

@@andybrice2711 Croydon has been in the toilet since 2000

[@andybrice2711]

@@mikeparrott8304 Idunno. I remember it being quite exciting back in the 90s with the Clocktower Museum and various arts events. And then again in the 2010s and the dubstep era when stuff like Matthew’s Yard was appearing. But COVID, the Westfield collapse, and the suspicious council bankruptcy really seems to have set it back. But I only live nearby, so maybe I don’t have the full picture.

[@mikeparrott8304]

@andybrice2711 All valid points but the crime rate has sky rocketed. The shopping center decline and the stats on stabbings and violent crime are horrendous. The Whitgift is something else. The home office also just dumps people in Croydon

[@Ramit16]

Why can't the wealthy middle east nations treat the injured of Gaza ? why is it always western nations that have to do the running !!

[@chrisstones1249]

Because it's the western nations mainly America and it's lap dog England keep interfering in the business of the middle east nations ,we should learn to keep out .

[@patrikfloding7985]

A good and valid question.

[@copaloadofthis]

Middle Eastern politics perhaps ?

[@leavesinautumn5959]

Because "Western Nations" are responsible for the creation, militarization and impunity of Israel.

[@Joannexox]

@@patrikfloding7985are you and the OP lacking critical thinking skills? Independent thinking skills? THE WESTERN NATIONS FUNDED THE ABSOLUTE CARNAGE BEING RAINED DOWN IN GAZA!!!!! You all support bombing Middle Eastern countries and then when the survivors need to seek asylum you cry like little babies .. UK funds Israel via arms.. they’re accountable and responsible. Pair of EEJITS. Get off the internet.. up here looking thick in the head asking questions like that.

[@dan79600]

Politics is always fuelled by disillusionment. That's why every country flips between this or that party on a regular basis. The idea that any politician or any party or any ideology actually knows what's best for millions of people living in countless different circumstances is totally mad.

[@TimComley]

It isn’t in a regular basis

[@dan79600]

@@TimComley isn’t it? Elections are held about every 5 years and in 100 years there are about 20 elections. Since 1924 the UK government has changed no less than 14 times from conservative to labour and back again. It’s a treadmill.

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

@@dan79600 Yes, point well made. Not that I'd want to give the Limp Dems a try.

[@MackerelCat]

Control immigration, build a LOT of houses, avoid culture war stuff. If Labour can do that, Reform will by stymied.

[@Ramit16]

Labours intended agenda i fear is not known yet !!

[@musiqueetmontagne]

​@@Ramit16Read their manifesto... It will shock you. The constitutional change they want to bring is unreal and will change our freedoms gor a long time... Go and read it!

[@patrikfloding7985]

Creating legal ways to seek residence is an easy way to destroy the small boat business.

[@Ramit16]

@@patrikfloding7985 Even better would be to put the dinghy manufacturers out of business permanently, if you get my meaning !

[@YUDNSAY]

Different brand, same old shyte.

[@patrikfloding7985]

Unlike the useless Tories? The reason Corbyn is gone is that Labour had to change.

[@YUDNSAY]

@@patrikfloding7985 'Davos first' should tell you they all follow the same instruction book.

[@davecross4493]

​@@YUDNSAYdo you think the Tories are all the same as well?

[@YUDNSAY]

@@davecross4493 Possibly more so, but there is really nothing in it.

[@bigtony4829]

Nothing in Labours manifesto will" change " peoples lives |! 700.000 more dentists appointments , A million council houses when immigration is running at close to that yearly We might see a few more community police that's about it Starmer already said he cares more about Davos than Westminster so don't hold your breath things will change for the average worker

[@lorna5193]

They have simply swapped one WEF puppet for another WEF puppet. No change.

[@nicholaselliott9908]

Since when did anything that’s not liberal become “far right”? Are labour hard left now? Or maybe Marxist?

[@rinkadink66]

The UK is nowhere near the financial chaos when Thatcher came to power..and the left/right divisions politically were greater then too.. He's right about hope.. very little hope going around at the moment.. the world feels a more dangerous place..

[@lesleylamy]

Everything was broken when the tories left, starmer will sort it out.

[@rinkadink66]

@@lesleylamy England could win the euros...but I wouldn't bet on it..

[@willc1294]

There's too many men, too many people making too many problems, and not much love to go around. Can't you see this is a land of confusion?

[@ChristisLord7777]

He's right

[@alst4817]

Left?

[@jgreen2015]

No he's not. The rise of the far right is due to the excesses of the far left like him

[@ChristisLord7777]

@@alst4817 😅😅

[@boxtradums0073]

He couldn’t even deliver on his “dont send a message, send a government” to Scottish people never mind fix the country

[@timsimmons5953]

Must deliver just as any other party should do. The Tories had 14 years and !!!!!! up Brexit and more.

[@alundavies1016]

Disillusionment, and a big wedge of media misinformation. Take some responsibility!

[@grahamrising5258]

Hate this 'Far Right' , it's just a difference of opinion, the majority want to keep Britain British.

[@keithalfred5308]

The Far Right want to make Britain like America. Farage even tried to emigrate to the US - he follows the money.

[@alundavies1016]

You may not like the definition, but look up “suspension of human rights” “forced deportation” and racial profiling and see where that sits on the political spectrum. What does “keep Britain British” actually mean in practical terms?

[@anthonymichaelwilson8401]

He’s got to stop the Boat people, read history the Bronze Age ended 😊

[@patrikfloding7985]

A tiny amount compared to normal immigration. But you are preoccupied with that, for some reason.

[@KuntaKinta-u8s]

Starmer can’t and won’t stop a thing wake up 😂😂

[@patrikfloding7985]

@@KuntaKinta-u8s What would you suggest? Something that's within the law, of course.

[@robertallen591]

poverty and racism a heady mix

[@rufus1346]

Yet the Tories didn't deliver for 14 years and everyone gave them a free ride. But now......

[@damianbutterworth2434]

We did not want either. I had enough of Labour last time.

[@rufus1346]

@@damianbutterworth2434 Really? Highest NHS satisfaction rates and lowest waiting lists ever. Schools and hospitals being built and more money being put in since the war. Low utility bills, clean water!! A cheap and working transport system. I could go on but keep gas lighting mate......

[@rufus1346]

@@damianbutterworth2434 How old are you? Just so you know I can remember when Thatcher first got elected.

[@pip1723]

Exactly they just laughed along with johnson while he destroyed everything.

[@martinwatson9615]

Everyone? John McDonnell gave the Tories a free ride for fourteen years 🤔?

[@paulyoung4422]

Kier is out of car's. We'll all be on pushbikes.

[@D_isco_D_ancer]

Never in the 14 years of TORY nightmare this ......... paper had a video saying that TORIES MUST DELIVER... Startle hasn't had 24 hours in goverment and there are video after video expressing doubts. LOL This ....... newspaper.

[@syedadeelhussain2691]

I agree with John! Labour has to deliver. But how? Planning is a discredited macroeconomic policy tool and philosophical method which was debunked by great economists such as Hayek. So am I sceptical about using planning as a method to restore full employment levels of output in the economy.

[@gwheregwhizz]

Labour get in, blame their failings on the previous Tory Government. Tories get in, blame their failings on the previous Labour Government. Repeat... ad infinitum.

[@lesleylamy]

I must admit brown was not very good .

[@stephenhodgson3506]

I don't think they need to blame the Tories everybody had worked that out for themselves.

[@nenehermannfoundation1187]

Starmer put a lot of emphasis on changing the face of labour. but it was Corbyns labour that won more vote share. calculate that

[@jonnobloggs8642]

Corbyn may have received more votes in 2017 and 2019 but he didn't win where it matters ie the key marginals .Starmer did his homework and targeted this pivotal area to great effect to win convincingly .Deal with it .

[@barryballsit4944]

Consarvative Manifasto The laft Pronounce the e as an a, thats how you talk posh, 24 style

[@_Stroda]

The way I see it, Israel has long behaved poorly re Gaza/Palestine. But (and this seems to me to be quite a significant 'but') the UK's influence over Israeli policy, the level of arms sales to Israel, etc. is really quite insignificant. It's 2024. T. E. Lawrence died going on a century ago. To an extent I can understand those who have relatives or friends in the region being animated by all of this but, really, that seems to be a minority of those who are. It seems that it mostly matters to two broader demographics: Muslims and, generally younger, left wing types. The importance that these demographics place upon Israel/Gaza just seems off to me. It's like they care because they've been told that to be part of their tribe they have to care about it. Why aren't there major protests and demonstrations about the conflicts in Sudan, or Yemen, where many of the victims (and there have been far more than in Gaza) are Muslim? Does it really make sense for someone on the left to vote for an independent, someone who focuses more upon Gaza than issues in the UK, rather than a Labour or the Green candidate? To me it just looks like illogical tribalism.

[@macfaichen2658]

Starmer couldn’t deliver pizza

[@chrispalmer7893]

So far he's had one job - win the election with a big enough majority to get stuff done. And he's delivered that. He's entitled to a bit of space to show us what he can do before we judge further.

[@markabrahams2191]

@@chrispalmer7893 He has already had space when he was DPP head . He showed us what he is willing to do by turning a blind eye to child abuse in the UK . It is no excuse to say somebody else was looking after those cases , he was in charge . Like sunak he is nothing more than a puppet for the globalist establishment that run the UK and other Western countries

[@stephenhodgson3506]

@@chrispalmer7893 two jobs, the first was to make the Labour Party even close to be electable again.

[@chrispalmer7893]

@@stephenhodgson3506 That's sort of how he did the election win, but if you want to count that as two things, sure. Let's see what he does now (seems to have got off to a decent enough start, but the first few days are relatively easy...)

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

I'm concerned about the lack of talent in the new cabinet as a whole. Some very thick people in positions of power there, and they've been in impotent opposition throughout their formative years.

[@smunro1983]

Well you guys imported uncontrolled immigration during the Blair years, causing taxpayers money and time to get blown on issues like Palestine, which we have zero control of, nor do either party (or the arms industry) want to end. Why not start bringing in millions of North Koreans and we can start burning time and money on the injustices going on in North Korea?

[@SlowhandGreg]

No he didn't he just continued what was then the Thatcher consensus.

[@Crouchy232323]

Our Imam told us to vote for Starmer as he will stop reform from being elected by outlaw ing them under extremism legislation which he could do inshAllah

[@philbrown8181]

14 years. Fourteen years with open EU borders because the (old and pragmatic) Tory party knew that this was hugely beneficial to our economy.

[@macfaichen2658]

@@Crouchy232323you do know who pays your benefits.. the British public in their taxes…! Brit’s are losing their homes because they can no longer afford them .. is that fair…?

[@smunro1983]

@@Crouchy232323 I’m not so sure Labour can stop them. I’m no fan of Nigel Farage or reform. In fact, I’m married to a Chinese woman and a party like that worries me. It was bad enough when Covid was around and everyone saw any Chinese person as an easy target and not being able to distinguish China from the CCP. In my eyes if we keep bringing in people from the outside and get caught up in their issues, then the country will deteriorate, which I think is the general idea for a small group of people. When I was a kid, I can remember Ann Diamond on Good Morning TV going on about Palestine vs 🇮🇱 and it got 10 minutes of lip service and it was onto something else. Now, this issue brings the country to a standstill. It boils down to acknowledging the things you can control and the things you can’t. 🇵🇸 vs 🇮🇱 can only be solved by both groups . They need to want peace and treat either other respectfully. No outside country and control that. Neither are interested in bringing it to an end, so why bring the UK to a halt and flood politics with the issue at the expense of the taxpayer? Little things like this get people’s backs up and fuel right wing parties.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

The premise of your title is incorrect. I don't think Reform voters are either 'right-wing or left-wing'. They are a gathering of like-minded people who only see 'right or wrong' and *not* right wing or left wing. And this is why the political classes and media keep failing to see what is coming. The silent majority (those who understand what is right, and therefore acceptable) are waking up. I strongly suspect at the next election, which will almost certainly be before 2029, will see 'Reform' land a substantial win.

[@stephenhodgson3506]

In your wisdom please tell us all why they did so badly then in the Local Elections only a couple of months ago then? People wanted the Tories out and were willing to do anything they could to get rid of them. Reform like the Liberal Democrats have been the beneficiary of that. You live in a world of delusion if you think Reform will win the next election no matter what Nigel might tell you. When he fails to turn up on a regular basis to do his constituency work because he has other things to do people will see him for what he really is.

[@patrikfloding7985]

Well. It’s wrong to call asylum seekers “illegal”, for a start. There is no “illegal” way to arrive at a border.

[@nigglenoo]

The “silent majority” of people supporting your racism and xenophobia is a myth, thankfully, as demonstrated by the election results, and your attitude is completely incompatible with left wing ideology, which espouses equality and is diametrically opposed to racism and xenophobia, so the “far right” description fits perfectly. The way you think is the product of your being gaslit by mendacious elitists via their stranglehold on the mainstream media, particularly the large majority of the printed press, and political grifters like Farage, into thinking your struggles in life are caused by immigration and brown people, thus deflecting your attention from the real causes of poverty and inequality that actually lie with the very people you support.

[@markedmondson394]

Would have made a better leader than Corbyn. More intelligent depth and perspective.

[@maggieedwards3951]

Mr newly Elected prime minister Keir Starmer your first week in office, Can you please ask the foreign office to do all they can to bring the missing young lad Jay slater home,he is a British subject with a colourful past indeed ,however he is on foreign soil ,and one of our own most of us have children ,and not all have children that did right i am blessed i do ,however i am not about to sit in judgement on any that took the twisted path, He is a young lad,and still missing nearly three weeks , If we turn our back on our own in a situation like this ,we have adopted the same cold ,callous stance on all things like the previous government .#,findjayslater#

[@MrKarlyboy]

He is an adult not a baby. Leave the local authorities in that country deal with it.

[@mrmonkey2214]

The farlefteroonys will be terrible. Good luck everybody. We're gonna need it.

[@gdutfulkbhh7537]

Just pay off your debts and buy nothing on credit. Maybe work shorter hours if you can afford to. The loony left will collapse all the sooner if they're not getting all your £££.

[@mansonnanson8294]

Yeah, gaza is what you want to address, not the cost of living or anything.... I swear, it's like you guys are rooting for the farage and his proud lads.

[@FionaJane-vc2tw]

Last week the UK rejected divisive toxic politicians. Last night France did the same. 🎉🎉🎉

[@Ramit16]

You need to learn how to bait Wolfey !!

[@hyperfocus4866]

Congratulations Keir Stalin and Comrades ✊️🫡 May Population Centre 2476 be prosperous . Ps Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@MrKarlyboy]

Not our problem. Put British people first.

[@hyperfocus4866]

@@MrKarlyboy It's a joke 😃 I'm with you.

[@smunro1983]

@@hyperfocus4866 I get your joking but even if you were serious there is zero this country can do (or most other countries for that matter). Both sides need to agree to work together and no amount of posturing and virtue signalling will change that. Taxpayers money has been thrown at something with zero return.

[@lesleylamy]

He will , his great.

[@jasbirhanspal8750]

You can not repair the damage done by 14 years of misconduct and mismanagement of the state of affairs in a few days 😔

[@TheGUULA]

Wow this guy is a whacko

[@alana8863]

Wow, TheGUULA is a whacko.

[@user-wj7cv9hb5j]

France doesn't aant these people but uk dows! We will send to you ♥️ 🇫🇷🇬🇧🇫🇷🇬🇧 thank you uk

[@Midland_Wolf_71]

THIS is the guy I’d like see back in the Labour cabinet, John McDonnell is a gentleman - Measured, Intelligent and moral, I’m a big fan. A Labour party with McDonnell and Andy Burnham on the front bench would be most appealing, fo someone like myself in any case. I’ve voted Labour my entire voting life, effectively since 1989 and this was the first time ever I didnt lend Labour my vote …… I went GREEN as they were speaking my language more than Labour under Starmer. Labour with Starmer (I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now(, Streeting, Ashworth and Nandy isnt something I can get too excited about. I’m happy that Ashworth lost his seat TBH, he offends me greatly, as does Wes Streeting who I wouldnt trust to tell me the time. Obviously I hope Labour prove me wrong and turn out to be bettre than they appear/have appeared to date. Bu to go full circle, John McDonnell ABSOLUTELY represents the kind of Labour I’m happy to get behind. A decent man…..

[@Ramit16]

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MAN !! DOHHHHHH

[@Midland_Wolf_71]

@@Ramit16 What isnt? I’m simply expressing my admiration for the man, sorry if that confuses your braincell.

[@Crouchy232323]

Our Imam advised us to vote for Starmer as he will outlaw Reform as extremists and increase benefits inshAllah he will achieve this

[@alst4817]

😂😂😂😂 shut it, Farage

[@macfaichen2658]

You do know who pays your benefits..? The British public in their taxes… the British are losing their homes to pay for yours … is that fair…?

[@Crouchy232323]

@@macfaichen2658 some of us also pay taxes so what's your problem racist?

[@thepeaksandthetroughs]

@@Crouchy232323 Paying your taxes doesn't equate to being a racist ?

[@patrikfloding7985]

Not very good trolling.

[@clintcumberland1664]

The far right needs to rise in the uk 🇬🇧 😁👍

[@badfairy9554]

No.

[@chrispalmer7893]

The far right need to understand that they are a tiny minority in this country and that the rest of us will never put up with their ignorance and bigotry.

[@SlowhandGreg]

This version embraces Libertarian economics that would turn the UK into Argentina on the channel

[@StuartJ]

Labour will open the door to the far right, if they stay in denial of sectarianism.

[@twisteddancer7773]

​@@chrispalmer7893That's correct. It's the far left that's becoming the majority Right?