Jacob Rees-Mogg on why he lost his seat & the need for 'PROPER conservatism' | SpectatorTV

[@christophernunn943]

Problem with the conservatives is the parliamentary MPs are light years away from their voters. That’s why they failed.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

The Torys are the political wing of international finance capitalism and haven't conserved anything from 1945.

[@Flergenbergen]

The problem is they followed the policies you supported, but they were all moronic. So you have rivers filled with poo because they did what you wanted and privatized the water, you have high interest rates because they supoorted your radical tax cut agenda. Your ideas are just very, very stupid. But I know you won't ever take responsibility. That is the hallmark of the modern conservative. NEVER take responsibility for your own failures.

[@Blorp_]

Brexit was rubbish and they messed up everything else

[@thelimey351]

Yup, & it's even worse now after the election, there are a lot of Conservative MP's that survived who might as well be Lib Dems !

[@22448824]

Light years away from their party members as well. I'd love to know why those members keep paying and working for them.

[@goodcat1982]

The Tories don't deserve to make a comeback until they recognise and accept their level of betrayal

[@hutchison9876]

They don't ever deserve to comeback, the betrayal was too great and unforgivable.

[@Anon-nv7bp]

or they could just go away, and people could vote for politicians who haven't already betrayed them. is there a reason we need the tory party?

[@Ragdollcatlover]

Let’s hope they never come back. Since Thatcher, all they want to do is take money away from vulnerable people and give it to the rich.

[@ZiggySA]

The Tories don't deserve a comeback. But they didn't betray anyone. They behaved exatly as advertised. If you voted for Boris Johnson after he spent 20 years telling you exactly who he is and then and pulled a surprise pikachu face when you found out he was throwing parties in no. 10 while people were dying alone in hospitals on respirators you need to never vote again because you are not a functioning adult and your brain is stupid.

[@tropics8407]

Correct the Moggs are out and the Cameron’s are still in 🤷‍♂️👉

[@peternicho]

I think the panel has misunderstood the voters, the public have had enough of all the parties not keeping their words.

[@rolandhawken6628]

Nothing new they never have done

[@StopTheRot]

That’s just not true. That would mean no voting.

[@Warriorcats64]

Then why isn't Jezza PM right now?

[@BuzziRus]

​@@Warriorcats64 Corbyn is a communist who supported islamic extremist groups and told students to vote twice ( break the law) Great escape for Britain when he was gotten rid of as Labour leader.

[@FoobsTon]

Labour solved that by including absolutely none of their intentions in their manifesto.

[@jonnyconcrete1406]

Katy Balls texting away on her phone on stage while the public are asking questions says it all about what she actually thinks of the general publics views and perspectives

[@davidlangley1725]

And there you have it. They,re only interested in themselves and their own little world, not to mention the fact that she,s being extremely ignorant.

[@BrianMartin-ox2ru]

@@jonnyconcrete1406 Katy Balls is Yvette Coopers Daughter. Say no more..

[@peterel]

She's clearly taking notes of the questions!

[@oov55]

she was researching on google/ other sites because she needed some data to back up a response.

[@JThomasHenica]

@@BrianMartin-ox2ru not true! 🙄

[@61sven]

Complete myth mass immigration causes economic growth. We’ve had record immigration and at the same time the lowest growth on record.

[@blowfish1702]

Correct. Going by the numbers it's been nothing but a financial burden. Turns out importing unskilled people from the 3rd world by the hundreds of thousands leads to nothing but more welfare payments and a shortage of housing. Just compare the ONS data map for immigrant demographics against people who've never worked a day in their life here...

[@Knappa22]

One reason for that was the complete failure to process immigration and asylum claims by the Tory government. We’ve had the bizarre situation of these people piling up in hotels, costing us a fortune when they could have been, and indeed they want to be, active in the economy, earning money, settling down, paying taxes.

[@lewislee9201]

Exactly, Sven. The mass immigration we are seeing is a Ponzi scheme. The CINO Tories like it as it creates an underclass of cheap labour for their chums, the Left love it because, they think the immigrants are going to vote for them.

[@FilmingFish]

@@Knappa22 Sorry that’s complete nonsense. Most of them broke into the country illegally and so don’t deserve to rewarded with residency, housing and an income which will only incentivize more to come. Deporting them would solve the problem much faster. Most of the claims are unverifiable and fraudulent, the asylum system is now a well known scam where illegal immigrants just make up any story and get in anyway. The problem with the asylum system is that it enables this, rather than immediately deporting those whose claims can’t be verified which a common sense system would do. Finally most people claiming asylum are from Asia/Africa and are completely unskilled. If let in they will just go on welfare, deal drugs, or (best case scenario) take low-income jobs and drag down the wages for British workers in those fields even more. To say nothing of the fact that this a country, not an “economic-zone”, and the native population don’t want even more of their country to become foreign to them.

[@nickchivers9029]

Poorly managed immigration certainly not. Properly managed immigration and a policy of integration and fairness absolutely does.

[@suzimonkey345]

The Tories have overseen the vast increase in poorly paid, crap jobs like delivering parcels for Amazon, whilst importing a vast number of poorly qualified workers, slashing the wages for traditional, working class jobs! A few generations ago the traditional working class family = A father working, supporting a wife & 2 or 3 kids. A nice home + a summer holiday every year. Now BOTH husband & wife can work full time & be POOR! 😳

[@stretfordend2103]

Hello1956. And you wonder why no body under the age of 45 votes Tory ... madness.

[@JesterEric]

It was all inevitable when the USA left the gold standard in 1971. Not much any British government can do about it. It's a game of pass the parcel between governments until the current fiat currency system collapses. Using the banking system as a tool for sanctions is accelerating the process

[@1oldgit]

Poor??? What with houses at £400k and this wealth being inherited as the rellys die off. Not much incentive to work for many who get this wealth.

[@neil492]

They pander to the establishment money and the extreme rich. It's not conservatism.

[@sergioalmasy8722]

And both parents, (or a young couple), have to work simply to pay the rent to a multi-property landlord who can issue a Section 21 on them at any time simply to excessively raise the rent.

[@theladyfingers___]

Not one of these "conservatives" is opposed to mass migration.

[@MicrophonesInTheTrees]

Why would they be? Capitalists are always up for a bit of wage repression and debt-based growth. Can't have it both ways, chap.

[@mr2981]

@@MicrophonesInTheTrees The hell you can't.

[@Stoddardian]

@@MicrophonesInTheTrees As if leftists are opposed to immigration. I guess we'll just have to become fascists.

[@MicrophonesInTheTrees]

@@mr2981 Find me the boss of a corporation that would want to pay his staff a lot more due to full employment then, please. Supply and demand. 1st rule.

[@AfroGaz71]

@@MicrophonesInTheTrees strangely enough, that also seems to be the reasoning of the neo communists. Guess they're the now the neo capitalists. Great job pulling the wool over everybody's eyes though.

[@CharlesWilliams-jf2nb]

I didn't strike me that Jacob Rees-Mogg is being complacent here. He was very realistic and aware of why the Conservatives lost. Many of the other Conservative members are those that are complacent and in denial.

[@simmer484]

I think that guy had decided they were being complacent on the panel before he'd walked in the room.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

He doesn't understand free markets are overtly anti small c conservative. The Torys are the political wing of international finance capitalism and haven't conserved anything from 1945.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Torys are just the political wing of international finance capitalism and haven't conserved anything from 1945.

[@eroero830]

​@telephassarose3501 You're having a laugh, JRM talks a good game and then sits there twiddling his thumbs when it comes to action. He's delusional, that's why he lost his seat. People said very clearly NO MORE MOGG.

[@MTknitter22]

@telephassarose3501 He was part of the elite out of touch reason why Tories were such a failure. He is just angry because the voters saw it and tossed him out.

[@ericbrown7297]

The Tories lost because they ceased to be Conservative, Starmer did not win, in fact his share of the votes, from previous elections, went down, the final result is hardly a mandate from the electorate. Reform, only achieved 5 MP’s, with a larger majority of the votes than the LibDems. JRM was very truthful and he was actually spot on in assessment of what is to come. Net zero, is an absolute disaster policy which will definitely bite them.

[@EnglishTMTB]

Exactly - the Tories lost because they governed and campaigned as a centre-left party... And the (ostensibly) alternative was another centre-left party without as recent a record of incompetence - we're already seeing Labour position itself more leftwards than it pretended to be, but that was to be expected. The Tories lost centre-right votes to Reform because Reform being right wing (not far right) offered something closer to centre-right than the centre-left Tory party did.

[@Hitchhiker007]

The election was engineered by the media and the money. For example the ridiculous amount of coverage Nigel 'boring' Farage had compared to the zero coverage of the independent candidates like George Galloway, who was an actual elected MP. The Labour government now is no change to the status quo. The people were conned again with sweet lies. As they say if voting really worked they wouldn't allow us to do it. The true enemy of this country are the likes of Mogg and his cronies. Desperate people in boats aren't the enemy their being used as a weapon to fool the people and take the spot light off the true enemy wealth and Zionism.

[@Rayblondie]

Very true Reform 4 M votes 5 MP's Lib Dms 2.5 M votes 71 MP's. something wrong somewhere.

[@HIK_48]

The Tories didn't lose centre-right votes to Reform. Only hard-right / staunch Brexit votes. As Michael Portillo said way back during the bLiar years, just because Labour has shifted to the right, doesn't mean the Tories have to lurch further to the right. You cannot out-Reform Reform. The future for the Conservatives is as a competent centre-Right party.

[@ericbrown7297]

@@HIK_48 I believe that Portillo got it wrong, Blair did not shift to the right in any way, what happened was the Conservatives moved to the left, to the extent that now both Labour and the Conservatives are two cheeks of the same arse. Which is why Sunak was congratulating Starmer like a brother after the latter’s win, policy wise there is little difference. The Conservatives need to turn the clock back to when they were actually a Conservative Party. They can make a start by ditching the wets like Cameron and his ilk.

[@Isclachau]

What ?The Country has gone. Labour is just going to destroy it further. This is not rocket science.

[@jackn4853]

Which country of the UK would that be then?

[@blowfish1702]

​@@jackn4853The United KINGDOM is a sovereign country in itself so I'd assume he's referring to it in its entirety.

[@SimonWallwork]

Message to JRM and the tories. Either YOU be conservative, or we will find another who will be. It's that simple.

[@gibbo822]

Like who? Farage? He's jumped ship more times than immigrants coming in

[@ChristineRead-ck1uq]

@@gibbo822 Jumped ship? He spent 25 years of his life campaigning for us to get out of the EU. His mistake was trusting that the Tories and MPs in Parliament, all of whom had pledged to uphold the referendum vote, would actually keep their word when we voted to leave. When it became clear that wasn't going to happen, he started up the Brexit Party and just three months later, in May 2019, led the biggest single party in the EU Parliament. Then in December 2019 Johnson and the Tories double crossed him again. Now he's come back to make sure the establishment don't ruin us completely. I don't think that is jumping ship at all.

[@Cincinnatus-q4i]

@@gibbo822 Uh? wtf are you talking about? Twenty years championing unpopular causes and steering them to successes that no one thought possible. Some ship jumper

[@gibbo822]

@@Cincinnatus-q4i how many parties has he ran for? 3 jumping ship I'd say he even attempted to hijack Sunak hence the early election

[@FrankyRemo]

@@Cincinnatus-q4i Reform managed 2% more votes than Ukip in 2015, not really a success is it...

[@Pat121V]

Controlling borders. Cheap energy. Lowering tax burden. I reckon that is actually the center ground.

[@abuyusufabdulhakim952]

Sooooo the solution is less key workers, more environmental damage, and less public services... Basically, this childish nonsense is why the UK is on it's way to being a 3rd world country.

[@jenniferbate9682]

Centre ground maybe.

[@yellyman5483]

Their focus on immigration is also pure racism.

[@gabrielc1989w]

None happened in the 14 years of Tory.

[@yellyman5483]

@@gabrielc1989w The welfare reform they were talking about cut billions in welfare, and has created mass child poverty in the UK. That`s nothing to brag about. I was actually surprised to see Jacob Rees-Mogg bring it up as one of the highlights of the Tory years.

[@amazoniaamazonia7225]

Fourteen years of incompetence, there is nothing more to say….

[@velisvideos6208]

Incompetence, corruption and confusion. They did surprisingly well in the election.

[@jonphoenix]

Except maybe let them fight over the rubble that they're responsible for, as long as they're away from the levers of power!

[@cs-su9ko]

WAIT for the next few years to see a real sh1t show

[@HelmutSchmacker.]

Fourteen years of incompetence, as the media and talking heads agree. Or fourteen years of deliberate mismanagement on behalf of their masters?

[@amazoniaamazonia7225]

@@cs-su9ko can hardly be any worse.

[@hume1234561]

Sir Jacob was right in everything he said. I am glad he touched upon energy and devoted a few moments to the subject. Labour will lose once it's found to be incompetent with energy security. The electorate take energy for granted, but once there are the prospect of a few blackouts, people's tune will change and change fast.

[@ruthmeb]

You really can fool some of the people all of the time...

[@TheStobb50]

There’s a elephant in the room a broken electoral system, first past the post

[@Squadron_Bodron]

This is antisemitic.

[@jamesrodgers3132]

There is a misconception in the audience that large numbers of people switched from Conservative to Labour. In fact both LOST voters: the Tories over 7 million. Labour just lost a lot less. But the four biggest parties in 2019 lost over 8.5 million between them, and that with nearly 700,000 extra people eligable to vote. This was not the swing to Labour that the media have been portraying.

[@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg]

Was it people just not showing up to vote?

[@GeoffV-k1h]

Labour will have a larger vote share next time.

[@ozwunder69]

​@@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qgand that crowd ain't getting younger

[@ironsideeve2955]

@@GeorgiaMartin-ll9qg in part

[@robertseavor4304]

At 52%, the turnout was the lowest since the beginning of universal suffrage. Thus, a mere 17.6% of the electorate put Labour in power. I suspect that Reform discouraged people from voting for them, first by overreacting to the "bad actors" who, plants or not, said, in the main, what most people think and second, by accepting large donations from a Muslim multimillionaire. Farage seems unaware that many potential Reform voters are concerned about culture jihad. Now he has made that man Chairman of the party. I suspect that applications for membership are rather fewer than they were last week.

[@jackgammon4084]

Rees-Mogg, Suella Braverman, Liz Truss et al, once out of office they all say: 'now I'm free to say what I really think' but who cares? If you didn't speak your mind when you were an MP, Home Secretary or Prime Minister while you had the power to change things then now it's all words - worthless.

[@vicicooper4720]

It's no good speaking your mind in Parliament unless the PM (and the civil servants) agree with you.

[@pauloneill369]

You clearly don't know about the principle in this country of collective responsibility used by all parties.

[@gemiow]

This panel have no idea what it is like to be in the bottom 40% of the population.

[@davidlangley1725]

Suella did try to speak her mind but no-one would listen.

[@shazshanaa6425]

Those that did try, we all know what happened to them, they were fired form them cabinet roll. I like Jacob, Suella and Priti Patel, Lee Anderson, Ann Widdecome they all tried. If you ask me, its those that got rid of them that are the problem in the Tories.

[@DeanP111]

Sorry JRM, we 4 million aren’t the easiest to get back. A lot of us will never vote Tory again

[@clivejungle6999]

@@DeanP111 Not all of you are Tories, many of you are Labour voters or people who would never have voted blue.

[@DeanP111]

@@clivejungle6999 I said a lot of us (of those who did) would never vote Tory again… I really shouldn’t need to specify that, it really is a given

[@clivejungle6999]

@@DeanP111 You people are fickle and at some point Farage will say something that only aligns with your views 98.7% and you will dump him, too.

[@DeanP111]

@@clivejungle6999 I’m not arguing your beliefs

[@babboon5764]

@@clivejungle6999 No - *Its a question of balance* There are yahoos supporting Reform who I suspect have a tatoo of Donald Trump on their jacksie. But I know from conversation with others many voted Reform as the only plausible counter to open immigration policies whilst outraged at Farage's quasi-Trump, pro-Putin 'make Ukraine surrender' view

[@agnesvanya2329]

I do wish Sir JR-M had not lost his seat. I hope he will be back. He is an asset to democracy.

[@ExcitedWhaleEye-xx9qv]

The biggest problem with politics today is the apathy of the voters. For years the turn out has been very low. The exception was on the BREXIT referendum which was highjacked by the politicians and never implemented to the fullest extent. Nigel Farage was the main player in the referendum that instigated the furore of the people to vote against the politicians and hopefully his entrance into the Political Spectrum will return the British voters back to the polling booths at the next election

[@rikkiharcourt3868]

I think it is the apathy of the candidates. We saw nobody at all in the run up, we all felt simply isolated, no contact with parliament at all, no doorstep questions, we all hate canvassing but it does have its values. I guess we feel politicians hate and look down on us. We get pushed around and have to pay up and quietly suffer their bad decisions. I am old enough to remember when politics involved us all, now it is fame makers and the media. And it shows!!!

[@johnrambo99999]

Uncontrolled mass immigration is far left. Expelling the current migrants is far right. Controlling immigration with a points based system is centre: not far right.

[@JimmyJimmyRiddle]

your 3 points are all far too late RIP UK

[@NerdlySquared]

Everyone coming in droves while empty pylon’s vaguely murmur and squeak about “points” isn’t much of a policy. It’s literally nothing. Labeling it with a direction matters not. It’s still nothing, the inflow was however quite something.

[@daviddestefanis2989]

The problem is mass immigration has happened. And mass expulsion won't happen. So, the far left has gotten their way. And, we know that the far left's ways destroys countries. RIP UK indeed.

[@Jocular-mt3jb]

The Tories decided in 2011 to have immigration at 7 millions by 2021 and that figure was exceeded by the right wing Tory government.

[@zoeen5650]

​@@Jocular-mt3jbdude, the conservatives haven't been right wing since the 80s. Which is why they've been implementing left wing policies. Stop looking at what they say and look at what they DO.

[@seniorslaphead8336]

The Tories never "led on Brexit"... some of them temporarily feigned interest in it after the referendum to con Farage into standing aside. If anything the parliamentary Tory party dislikes Brexit more than the left.

[@jonchess8844]

What was Brexit then? Never really be told what it was

[@Sirlarrythecat]

Brexit was always a con job and who better than promise the undeliverable than Greasy-Smug and the crew

[@METALFREAK03]

@@jonchess8844 Leaving the EU and its institutions. The media want you to believe you didn't know this by calling it names. But the question was simple and there was around 36 weeks of campaigning telling you what it was, thousands of hours of debates, and a couple of live national tv question and answer times per week leading up to it. This is not even getting into the millions or more articles, "tweets" and videos on the matter during it. We did know what we were voting for. The problem is our govt have never been in a job where they negotiate high-risk things. One of those things was that we never did the simplest points to gain leverage and that was to say No deal and go to the WTO unless you give us this (and list it all out). And if they kept saying no, like they did, you call their bluff. They would be begging us for a bilateral deal by the end of 2017.

[@OwenDavies83]

@@seniorslaphead8336 Because everyone with any sense knew it would be a disaster.

[@Trippeak]

The actual left was never in favour of the EU, neither was the actual right. The EU is universally hated by anyone with any sort of conviction.

[@sionnach.1374]

People want less foreigners and a better quality of life Tories failed on this Labour won't deliver either

[@pauljosephbuggle3722]

Everyone is a foreigner just depending on where one is at any given time. When you realise that you'll be wiser.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

​@@pauljosephbuggle3722 probably one of the most ridiculous comment ever made.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

​@@pauljosephbuggle3722 my part of London was almost all White when I was a kid. Its collapsed into a violent part of Africa. Everyone I knew as a child has fled to Essex. Quick reminder that there is no upper limit to diversity. You'll just be endlessly told things are too White until you wake up one day to something between Mogadishu and Karachi.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

​@@pauljosephbuggle3722 start learning Arabic.

[@Steve-fk1jg]

​@@pauljosephbuggle3722🤡

[@robinmcewan8473]

A period of silence would be received with gratitude

[@leslieaylett5375]

As much as I like Jacob. Thus is the problem with ALL our politicians. Don't wait until you lose your seat to "speak freely". "Speak Freely" WHEN you are an MP......

[@paulbriggsy]

The problem is, the Conservatives are no longer conservative.

[@bganonimouse2754]

This kind of comment is made by those who have no understanding of the history of the British conservative party.

[@weepingangel6805]

No, your comment is reflective of those who don’t understand what right-wing actually is. This country is so far-left it now thinks that “centre-right” is just “the right”. Conservatives need to move back to “the right”.

[@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human]

@@bganonimouse2754 No, he's correct. I'm a left of centre person who always votes Green or Labour, and it's been horrifying to watch the Tories pander to and move towards the far right in recent years. It's all been an obvious effort to win back the voters they were losing to UKIP and now Reform, but they could never out-Farage Farage. Instead of chasing the far right minority, they should have stuck to their fiscally and socially conservative right of centre roots.

[@bganonimouse2754]

@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human I think you've misunderstood something here. I've heard the refrain of conservatives not being conservative any more used by far right conservatives, claiming the party is too liberal. Thus they abandon ship to Reform where you get supposed "real" conservatism. You seem to be suggesting that moderate conservatives are saying this. I don't think so, moderate conservatives would say that its not a broad church any more, its not one nation enough etc. They would not usually say the conservatives are not conservative enough.

[@snowflakemelter1172]

@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human the " far right " is just everything you don't agree with , can you even define it ?

[@MS-sb9ov]

The public just no longer believed the Tories were listening to them. Labour will eventually be accused of the same. For the Tories it’s been solely about ways to make their buddies richer (London, London, London. HS2 into London. Financial services into London. Main development spend into London. Add a bit of incompetence to it as well, ie PPE Covid contracts to chums.

[@abuyusufabdulhakim952]

PPE contracts to friends isn't incompetence. It's corruption.

[@NerdlySquared]

The public didn’t believe them because they not only “didn’t listen” they did the reverse of what they were told, consistently, repeatedly and without fail. Out and stay out.

[@daviddestefanis2989]

If the Tories are as London-centric as you say, then they, or Reform need more candidates from not London. I'm an American, and we do have politicians 'flown in' to places to run. But I think it happens far less than in the U.K.

[@johnelliott9415]

Blue and Red are both tared with the same brush 🧹 🧹 so don’t expect change from Labour just worst to come the final nail in the coffin ⚰️ it will be worse 😮 Starmer more interested in WEF AND WHO THIS IS A DISASTER WE DON’T WANT

[@johnelliott9415]

Blue and Red are both tared with the same brush 🧹 🧹 so don’t expect change from Labour just worst to come the final nail in the coffin ⚰️ it will be worse 😮 Starmer more interested in WEF AND WHO THIS IS A DISASTER WE DON’T WANT

[@jameslast3192]

The failure of the conservatives was not to fully embrace and enact upon brexit. The people spoke and they did not listen.

[@mildlydispleased3221]

Brexit itself was anti-Conservative and would never work. Conservatives love money and want as much free trade as possible, the EU brought that. The Tory MPs who backed Brexit did so for their own political gain.

[@gordonstrong5232]

We left the EU with the hardest Brexit possible, no single market retention, no customs union. You're witnessing the results of the public getting exactly what they wanted.

[@fredneecher1746]

@@gordonstrong5232 There never was such a thing as a 'soft' or 'hard' Brexit. You're either a member of the EU or you are not. What was called a 'soft' Brexit (a term invented to confuse the issue) was in fact continued membership but with lower status. As for results, much has happened since we left that was unpredictable - known unknowns - that have had a big impact on our economy. It is impossible to disentangle them from the effect of leaving the EU. One fact remains, however, that the decision to leave was not an economic one. In the worsening situation that Europe finds itself in, we do at least have control over what we do and are no longer at the mercy of a centralised, undemocratic empire-building bureaucracy.

[@jameslast3192]

@@gordonstrong5232 don’t be ridiculous. Bias much?

[@wolves201]

@@gordonstrong5232 Still constrained by the ECHH, which apparently is hindering attempts at stopping mass illegal immigration. Imagine that, a court of law encouraging illegal activity.

[@barrygriffiths3592]

I truly admire Jacob Rees Mogg for several reasons apparent in this article. Jacob is literate and reasonable; he is curious and has a quiet, balanced sense of humor; and, he has a profound understanding of the British people. He also has a similar understanding to Sir Roger Scruton of what it means to be a genuine Conservative. At this time in history those who are posing as Conservatives have lost those values and preside over a divided house.

[@user-qu8yx6nf5d]

'I can speak the truth now". What an insult! Tells us everything we need to know about this man. Why didn't he tell the truth whilst in office ?

[@CherylFrancis-fn1uf]

I think he means, HIS truth and not the party line.

[@marcokite]

NONE of them do! of any party - Don't you understand that? Tells us everything we need to know about your grasp of politics.

[@paulcaswell2813]

Ever heard of Whips?

[@mjones4083]

Moggy should have crossed the floor to Reform .

[@mmaximk]

Yes, he would be perfectly at home in the party of grifters.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

​​@@mmaximk grifters don't join small parties. Farage spent 20 years knocking on doors up and down the country. Left a well paid job in the City.

[@alansmith2892]

@@mmaximk Grifters are the ones who actually hold power and use it to squeeze money out.

[@jameslast3192]

He may well still do so

[@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo]

@@mmaximk The grifters are all in the Labour party.

[@kyivwithgeofftanya5546]

Jackob just went up in my estimation when he said that really all he had was the opportunity to give the electorate what they voted for and they can vote for whoever they think will support them. He does not have a god given right to power, something which the Tories forgot

[@markoconnell2458]

Biggest Shock I ever got was Jacob Walking down King Street in South Shields an ex mining and fishing town asking people about voting Conservative thinking he may have the Youth vote in the Labour Stronghold The Honourable Gentleman for the 19th Century was basically told to Sod off by some of the older ex Pitmen

[@chrisp4170]

But he was one of the driving forces behind those Tories…

[@cyberinsekt7942]

Mogg is history.

[@patriottothecore6215]

It’s all very well Mogg saying that the tories needed to change. He was part of the problem. He never put his neck on the line to save the party. Cowardice has cost him and a lot of other wets their jobs.

[@gibbo822]

No he wasn't go watch everything he says he's loyal by fault because he doesn't believe in votes of no confidence as often as they are!! The man is 100% right!

[@MH-qy5hh]

Exactly!

[@willie8976]

@MH-qy5hh yep I like him but its time to grow a pair

[@TP-om8of]

No…he’s one of the few decent ones.

[@GraceyH-ys2iq]

He made the case for change many times on his evening show.

[@andrewstevens7453]

As a politician, you should always speak openly and with integrity. The lack of this in politics is partly responsible for the polarisation of society 😮

[@evad7933]

Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today... Aha-ah... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion, too Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world... You... You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one

[@briangasser973]

As we found out from Covid, our manufacturing base was so hallowed out that we could not even make our PPE. If a tariff is needed to preserve manufacturing when you compete with low wage countries with weak environmental and labor protections, I support it. Free trade policiies has been good for the City, not for the rest of us.

[@gibbo822]

The PPE issue was forced by Keir starmer and the media fear mongering

[@richardallen503]

I remember at least one company offered to make PPE and was turned down and maybe Dyson not sure offered to make incubators but I think was turned down , I do know that the government were paying £1 million a month on storage for all the useless PPE that arrived not fit for purpose !

[@martinsnell72]

Manufacturing may be hallowed, but it has been hollowed out.

[@XxxULTIMATEZxxX]

The problem is that will increase the cost of imported products significantly, and since almost everything we buy is imported, that would mean the average consumer has to spend a lot more money. We have seen how badly the country has been rocked by inflation, so imagine further inflation due to tariffs? This would also reduce demand, which means the imported goods would not sell very well. If we combine this with the higher costs due to tariffs, many foreign suppliers may decide to stop supplying the UK all together, especially since the UK is not that big of a market globally anyway. At this point, we would be looking at shortages of products similar to what people experienced in Cuba or in the Soviet Union. With regard to tariffs protecting our domestic industry, the data suggests our manufacturing sector has collapsed so badly that the difference in cost between UK goods and foreign goods is so massive, that it would be an enormous tariff required to balance the difference. Not 10% like Trump suggested in America, we would be looking at potentially 40% or more depending on the industry. That’s how cheap it is in China, India, Bangladesh etc where there are virtually zero environmental or employment regulations. The best option for the UK is to use our technological advantage and leverage that to support manufacturing. We are one of the few countries in the world with expertise in advanced robotics, computer chip technology etc. It would make more sense for the UK to go down the same route as Taiwan and South Korea, where they have a booming industry in electronic components (Samsung and TSMC), as opposed to heavy industry or raw materials manufacturing like China. Additionally, the UK is one of the few countries in the world with significant natural gas reserves AND nuclear power capabilities. Long term, moving towards nuclear energy would make UK energy very cheap and prevent any need for foreign energy reliance, or reliance on international energy prices (such as when the Ukraine War caused global oil and gas prices to rise, which then impacted UK gas prices). We know that electronics and manufacturing (especially AI and server farms) need massive amounts of energy. If the UK could get into the position of being a net energy exporter through nuclear energy and gas drilling/fracking, that would make domestic manufacturing competitive and massively reduce energy bills. The only problem with this is convincing climate activists and liberals that nuclear energy is indeed eco-friendly, and that drilling/fracking for gas is in our interest, despite it being a fossil fuel. Unfortunately the climate policies are holding the UK back when China, India etc don’t hold themselves to the same standards. The only sustainable energy source we have to compete is nuclear, but somehow climate activists hate nuclear energy.

[@davidankers9734]

​@@richardallen503There were many companies that wanted to make PPE. There were factories in Leicester telling the government they could start immediately, but the government were not interested. Was it because these businesses didn't belong to friends or family? Didn't they put an hotelier in charge of PPE? A man, I assume, with no experience of PPE. Who was it who spent millions on PPE that wasn't fit for purpose?

[@Coatsey007]

Mr. Rees-Mogg, people like me told you two years ago what you need to do, you need to deselect those MPs who are liberal and not Conservative from running because they’ve destroyed conservatism and moved the party to liberalism and to the left.

[@somethingintheair5373]

It’s CCHQ that’s been the problem. They even wouldn’t allow Lord Frost to stand! 😡

[@geoffm9944]

A growing number of ex Tory voters have decided to throw their support behind Reform. The Johnson administration was a disaster, which achieved virtually nothing. It was three years of inertia and witnessed huge dissatisfaction amongst the public. Sunak talked the talk, but lost his way due to a lack of courage to do anything substantial as it might upset the left wing of his party. The Labour Party landslide was the result of gross economic incompetence by successive Tory governments and mismanagement of law and order as well as its utter failure to control legal and illegal immigration. Reform is now the standard bearer of Conservative values and principles. I can only see Reform as growing into a mass political conservative movement, leaving the current Tory party as irrelevant.

[@vectravi2008]

The problem with British Politics and the mindset in general is that there is still a deep rooted sense of empire and entitlement. When the Tories talked about doing deals around the world they mistakenly believed that these deals would work in one way, that is in the benefit of Britain. This was the case during the days of empire when raw materials were taken from the countries, brought to Britain and then manufactured items sold back to the colonies. This won't happen today. The only thing Britain has today is financial services and this will diminish in coming years. When the UK realises it true place in the world it will be a good day for the British. Then and only then will there be a chance of the UK flourishing.

[@alanhowe7659]

Trouble these 'proper' conservatives acted improperly.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

The Conservatives are the political wing of international finance capitalism and haven't conserved anything from 1945.

[@rolandhawken6628]

They all act improperly look at the number of Labour MPs in the dock that does not get reported by media esp if they are Asian ,media are only interested in attacking what they call far right which are just Conservatives

[@KatherineVillet]

More people would have voted conservative if Jacob Rees Moggs had been prime minister. Just my opinion. I voted Reform and glad I did. ❤

[@froggiewrench1]

Agree. Just a shame he cannot detox from the disastrous Johnson time.

[@KatherineVillet]

I think we should put minor differences aside and look at the real threats to the UK and democracy. Check out, if you want, Whitney Webb. ❤

[@RichardBrook-kq8dm]

You are glad you voted for the clown who is responsible for the mess we are in?

[@evolassunglasses4673]

​@@KatherineVillet unfortunately Globalisation destroyed the nation state democracy decades ago.

[@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo]

@@froggiewrench1 More people would have voted Tories if Boris was still PM.

[@mr2981]

The woman talking about 'growth' misses the point almost completely. You can generate on-paper growth by stuffing more people into the country, which is precisely what the Tories and Labour before them have been doing for thirty years. Pro growth reforms? What does that mean, 2 million immigrants a year? There are structural problems including supposed growth-inducing ones like mass immigration that have been catastrophic for Britain. It is well past time that there is a paradigm shift.

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

Stuffing the cake with more and more flour doesn't not make for a tastier cake. It just makes a bigger, more claggy mess.

[@Bloodline2009]

She was a staunch Remoaner. Just a random who pops up when there is a specific agenda.

[@MidnightSouls]

To be fair to the current Labour party, their declared measure of success in achieving this growth is GDP per capita, not overall GDP growth, for that very reason. From the outset they're aiming to grow the economy without simply pumping the gas on more migration. So while it may have been Tory policy for 14 years, it's premature to level that accusation at Labour.

[@mr2981]

@@MidnightSouls Premature? It was pioneered in Britain by Blair. I haven't the slightest faith in what Labour says they are aiming at, whatever it is.

[@bristoled93]

@@mr2981 1997 was a long time ago.

[@janetbarkwith]

This is going to be controversial, but - I love Jacob RM. He speaks very well and clearly, he knows his stuff, and I appreciate very much his honesty now that he can speak freely, and not have to toe the party line in order to stay in govt. He's not made any excuses for his party's shortcomings. He seems to be brutally honest.

[@odiedodieuk]

Many like Jacob byes overall good, didn’t stand up to his party though.

[@FiscalWoofer]

Good to hear Jacob saying BoE is awful! It is terrible, a total screw up.

[@seaniek9175]

Tories were too focused on their own lives rather than the lives of the British people.

[@michaeladkins6]

Calling former staffer in the middle of the night asking for money from the Bad People, Giving numbers of other MPs while being blackmailed, lies at partygate...

[@PaulJR-hp2qm]

This is like asking a Fox what went wrong in the Hen House…

[@angurmiah3212]

Yeah you are right nowadays mp looking after there own pockets then ordering people. Just serve the master job is done.

[@neil492]

The Rees-Mogg family have been signed up to a Reality TV program.

[@seaniek9175]

@@neil492 More of the same.

[@mariea82]

Thank you for putting this on KZbin . A very interesting debate.

[@alexanderforbes5125]

Pretty shocked by Nelson and Balls' clear aversion to Mogg. I knew they are Labour lovies but this was just bad manners. When do we get the Speccie back?

[@pollyannakarina]

@@alexanderforbes5125 When the 19th Century comes around again.

[@a.brekkan4965]

​@@pollyannakarinaAfter 2032 then😊

[@thevale2456]

@@alexanderforbes5125 Nelson is a Labour luvvie? 🤣🤣🤣

[@vaseline69]

@@thevale2456 yeah if Nelson is a Labour lovie then Keir is the reincarnation of Marx

[@OldWorldLad]

They're not conversative enough. It's as simple as that. We are to the right of them, and we voted for Reform because of it. You don't need to be an Oxford Don to get to grips with this fundamental reality.

[@Ragdollcatlover]

Do you assume that most of the UK are as right as you are though?

[@daviddestefanis2989]

@@Ragdollcatlover They should be. That's the point. Is the economy helped by being part free market and part socialist big government? That pretty much describes the whole of Europe, and how is Europe competitively? Why do the left hate Blair? He combined socialism with pro-business policies. Being centrist is good for Labour because it adds good economic policies to socialism. Being centrist is bad for the Conservatives because it accepts the left's views. It adds socialism to good economic policy. How was the economy with high taxes, and high spending on the NHS, Net Zero, etc. Obviously bad. If more and more voters in the UK are left wing and support the Green New Deal, then they'll just have to learn or be convinced that those policies bankrupt the country. You want the Tories to accomodate socialism? The government can solve climate change through regulation?

[@Secret19977]

@@Ragdollcatloveryou can appeal to the public on the major issues where actually the public lean to right and historically pro conservative, immigration, the economy and law and order, all 3 are where actual conservatism is more attractive then left wing policies on these subjects, Also the public lean right on gender issues too so moving the party more to the right with the right messaging and strategy would be more attractive then the alternative

[@nifralo2752]

​@@daviddestefanis2989the same free market which told them to sell our industry to the Chinese making us dependent on them. Are they going to sell the army to a Chinese oligarch as well. Just imagine the fate of the country depended on some state bureaucrats no competition to boost efficency.

[@TheJGW]

"not much money to go around" Pledges £3billion a year to Ukraine in the first week in office without consulting the British public who are sick of sending our money abroad.

[@Jon-xw9om]

I'm not.

[@peterwalton1502]

It’s amazing that Labour are starting to do what the Conservatives should have done.

[@nickswettenhammusic]

Politics aside, I know a handful of people who work either for the Tory’s, Labour or in Parliament and they all say Jacob is the nicest guy there. Good to see him admit mistakes rather than blame another party for their loss.

[@simozonelayer]

The Tory party hasn't been right wing for a long time. We need a right wing party to stop the utter madness.

[@cyberinsekt7942]

What madness is that?

[@tiberiusclaudiusnerogermanicis]

@@cyberinsekt7942 I agree... but what else do you propose?

[@philm3509]

Let’s talk about competent, get rid of half the civil service and woke agenda and greens then we might get back on our feet.

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

Exactly. Ban DIE for starters. Sadly, that’s the last thing Labour will do. And they’re in deep love with Net Zero.

[@aaronjones8905]

I can understand the anger towards the Conservatives. What I don't understand is why so many people hate Jacob. Every time I see him with the media or taking questions, he is polite, straightforward, and clear about his beliefs. I would think that's the sort of thing you would want in a politician whether you agree with their policies or not.

[@LS-xs7sg]

All these people blathering on about the centre and characterising Reform as "far right" don't seem to realise that mass immigration and "woke" cultural policies are "extremist" if you go by public opinion rather than the chattering classes.

[@neiljarvis8911]

"Wouldn't know economic policy if it bit them in the leg"... Good to know JRM shares my faith in the bank of England and confirms my longstanding suspicions that he has been planning a career change into TV journalism.

[@suzimonkey345]

Most of the big issues in this country (NHS waiting lists, housing crisis, prison crisis etc) can be solved quite easily! It’s a no-brainer! Don’t increase the population by millions until we have the infrastructure to cope! 🙄 Do NOT reduce/stop North Sea drilling until we have effective & efficient green energy! Give companies a bonus & reduced tax, if they have businesses in Northern areas (where there are workers & housing already!) If the Conservatives want to regain power, it’s simple…be CONSERVATIVE! (Don’t try to be Left wing or Right wing…just be CONSERVATIVES!)

[@catherinellewelyn-evans3693]

If it’s so easy, I suggest you become an MP and sort us all out. It’s easier standing outside, telling others what they should do, than it is to be ‘inside’ faced with the innumerable complexities around every issue.

[@nikkiparksy]

@@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 They would not be allowed to get through the selection process for not having the Bought and Paid for view's.

[@catherinellewelyn-evans3693]

@@nikkiparksy I’m sorry but I don’t know what you are talking about.

[@nikkiparksy]

@@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 That is the problem isn't it ,you are probably not aware how thing's are run in this country anymore and that is by design. If you can you will find that over half the population have been locked out of getting Job's in Politic's or State funded Quango's etc .

[@catherinellewelyn-evans3693]

@@nikkiparksy well, perhaps you would point me in the direction of the information, and statistics which bears this out. Unless, of course, it is just heresay.

[@chrisreynolds3351]

All the speakers so eloquent, dignified, clear and precise on facts and aspirations for each party. No interrupting. Or squabbling like kids in the playground. A proper grown-up, factual debate done with respect. I was only going to ´skim´ but ended up listening to the entire conversation. And a special award goes to Mogg. Who owned up to the fact that losing seats was down to the Conservative Party and not Reform. I note he received a large round of applause. I agree, Moggs 👋👋👋👋👋👋👋

[@ashfield1425]

In other words they lack any passion to fix the problems of the country. This is why we are where we are. They couldn’t give a sh*t. Dispassionate, uninterested tools.

[@BryanKenna-gp7dr]

Jacob sorry you lost your seat but thank you for being so honest it’s refreshing

[@davidoconnell4100]

It's absolutely delightful he's been rejected by the public.

[@JACB006]

Well said Sir Jacob

[@RichardBRiddick-n7x]

As a reform voter myself, we’re not easy to win back Jacob.

[@somethingintheair5373]

What you mean is, all trust in the Tories has gone!

[@Isewein]

19:44 Addressing him this intimately by his first name and then telling him he should be ashamed of himself is really low form, to the detriment of a point well-made. I hope the applause was for the latter.

[@minkleymcmoo5248]

That depends wholly on whether he has anything to feel ashamed about.

[@GraceyH-ys2iq]

Jacob was saying for some time the Tories needed to change direction. He was a Brexiteer for goodness sake. What more can one man do?

[@stevelondonse23]

Prickly! J R-M has contributed to so much damage to this country he doesn't deserve to be called anything else. PS: the applause was for all of it.

[@shawkorror]

Unsure if the point could be heard through all the labeling and opinion surrounding it.

[@limeplasterer2766]

Ban private schools and private health care and then the Katies, Kates and Moggs of this world would have a genuine interest in improving the NHS and State schools, as their 'little darlings' would have to rub shoulders with the other 90% of UK PLC and they wouldn't be able to buy advantage...

[@aridgeman]

Thanks for your honor and integrity, Jacob Rees-Mogg. You are a man of honor.

[@RichardEnglander]

He could have spoken freely before but he's an opportunistic spinless coward and didn't.

[@rw9854]

It’s so revealing how un-conservative the 3 spectator staff are. All positive or at least receptive to socialist labour and all relaxed about mass immigration. Probably because they will live and work in circles where they do not have to see and feel the decline and fracturing that mass immigration has caused to previously normal English places

[@evolassunglasses4673]

The centre Right is so much of the problem.

[@Secret19977]

@@evolassunglasses4673the left are

[@markdavidson9743]

Probably because they in big mansion in the Chelsea area

[@stretfordend2103]

They don't give a shit about ya bud, they never have done. Try something else ...socialism perhaps.

[@boyfromblackstuff7859]

They will not escape what's coming.

[@nashslifestory2188]

not being funny but the torys had 14 years and ran things more like a crime family then a political party, and now cry due to the fact that us the mass hate you and all you did, parliament is not a jolly up for eton old boys.

[@smeghead135]

I thought it was.

[@dombaker1924]

They were not Conservative. If they had been then I would have voted for them.

[@babboon5764]

*Had I seen this first and been in his constituency I would have voted for Moggy* but As for the CINO Tory party as a whole......... Having been profoundly betrayed by their lies & deceits it genuinely baffles me how ANYONE can still support them

[@EnglishTMTB]

Likewise. Labour aren't the centre-left party they pretend to be, but I couldn't in good conscience vote for the actual centre-left Tory party when it coupled that position with rank incompetence. Reform might be to the right of me (whilst not "far-right", IMHO) but they're closer to centre-right voters like me than the centre-left Tories are.

[@wendyfield7708]

All MP’s should be able to speak freely, and should have the moral courage to do so., while they are still there!

[@5INC33]

i am so glad i voted this guy out, what a waste of time and effort. close the tab lads it's literally not worth the trouble of even listening to whatever comes out of this mouth

[@scatton61]

Always like to hear what Jacob has to say

[@RichardEnglander]

He could have spoken freely before but he's an opportunistic spinless coward and didn't.

[@scatton61]

@@RichardEnglander you might be right but we live in the real world and one can't continue the fight if one is no longer in the team.

[@RichardEnglander]

@@scatton61 nah, others spoke up like Suella and Lee

[@scatton61]

@@RichardEnglander There are many ways to win battles, not just one. Do you not agree?

[@RichardEnglander]

@@scatton61 sure, and he didn't win. Do you agree?

[@matmilne]

he doesn't understand why proroguing parliament in the way they did was completely unlawful, nor does he understand that parliament had to hold the government in contempt...of parliament. The party of law and order broke the law, repeatedly, and they narrowly avoided crashing the economy over tax cuts the rich didn't want. It sums things up completely, blaming it on right vs left, totally failing to understand it was instead - right vs wrong.

[@helentaylor1222]

Jacob is never complacent. He's a top economic expert. Rude man should have been thrown out by the interviewer.

[@mr.mayhem7402]

The man in the audience has a right to voice his opinion, but he's simply wrong. You either have right-wing policies - small government, low spending, and low taxes, or you have the opposite. The "centre" is not where those who think they're centrist believe it to be. They belong in the Labour Party or the Liberal Democrats.

[@thevale2456]

😂😂😂

[@saturupiah5940]

Jacob would be a good fit for Reform.

[@matteocanova6173]

REFORM

[@dallassukerkin6878]

The question that was most pointed for me was the one about how to recover from the economic death caused by pretending you can run a country on hairdressers and car insurance sales. For my sins I have been an economist, an historian and an engineer in my working life and that decision to 'outsource' the wealth generating part of the economy has always puzzled me.

[@somethingintheair5373]

How about recovering from the economic death of closing all the hairdressers down, and the coffee shops, restaurants, and all other small businesses down for 2 years?!!! Insanity! Why aren’t we talking about that one? Let alone printing money to pay people to not work!! 😡

[@dallassukerkin6878]

@@somethingintheair5373 :wry grin: Well one was a mistake and the other was deliberate sabotage. Or maybe both were? After all the 'liberation' of capital to flow around the globe without restriction is what actually caused all our current economic woes.

[@philwhitelaw3111]

Exactly. You cannot build a thriving economy without a healthy industrial powerbase.

[@tnew6701]

Thank goodness Jacob can now speak freely. His knowledge of UK political history is impressive.

[@jameshogan6142]

Very well educated and erudite man. Always a pleasure to listen to.

[@nigelbennett5446]

The man is a fool. Good luck JRM 😱🤡

[@nigelbennett5446]

😅😅😅😅

[@emmacollett2629]

Hilarious

[@geezertechhead]

If hIs writing is anything to go by his grasp on history is pretty non-existent , much like his knowledge of Latin.

[@Delchursing]

JRM is a man of principle.

[@subroy7123]

🤣

[@joer9156]

You had your chance, and you blew it spectacularly. The work necessary to undo all your harms is now an insurmountable task. Traitors, the lot of you.

[@JP-jz4uq]

We need to decide who we are building this country for. Billionaires or ordinary working people.

[@Allegro-wp8xf]

Immigrants? Labour are trashing the planning laws to build more houses. I thought the indigenous population's birth rate was going down and we are not replacing ourselves. Why do we need to build more houses? Did I get a vote on mass immigration?

[@johnread2250]

I have a sneaky feeling we will be building to house the boaty people

[@evolassunglasses4673]

We got captured by Usury a very long time ago unfortunately.

[@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo]

The money from Billionaires filters down the open borders of Labour will drain the country.

[@andycarr3711]

Ordinary billionaires.

[@flightcomputer2437]

He knows what he's talking about.

[@martincrocker7154]

Lovely stuff Jacob

[@TiGGowich]

To think that the only thing the Tories had to do was be conservative .... is mindboggling. True conservative politics. Not this wishy washy woke shit.

[@Rossfielding1]

I absolutely hate talking about things through a spectrum. It should be about what works. Ideologies are a cancer...

[@evelyneverettgreen]

Nigel is cleverer than people realise. He was very restrained, almost politically correct, in the run up to this election. When his party is more established it will roll out a more radical agenda and people will flock to it and vote him in in 2029 (or before). In the meantime it is the role of the right in the UK to keep up unremitting pressure on the Labour government on the issues Nigel hardly mentioned in his campaign, and which are central to his appeal: migration, gender politics and the abuse of the welfare state. Starmer's time as PM must be made as uncomfortable as possible

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

Hopefully, Farage will ensure that Starmer doesn’t get an easy ride. Have my popcorn ready!

[@JonathanB6023]

Farage hardly mentioned migration? That was *all* he mentioned. It was the basis for his every point of attack...'hospitals/schools/services/transport/borders/streets overwhelmed because of migrants'.

[@Peter-ov6xh]

Farage installed a Muslim as his Deputy yesterday. A very radical move!

[@keithjackman8886]

Unlike most Tories, I have a great deal of respect for JRM.

[@Der_Thrombozyt]

It's OK. We all have our flaws...

[@evolassunglasses4673]

He condemned Enoch Powell, is Neoliberal, pro NeoCon wars and doesn't care about White people becoming a minority in their ancestral homeland.

[@dissonantiacognitiva7438]

It's a bit late now isn't it? You are meant to be representatives and yet most of you just tow the party line. Voters don't liked whipped MPs

[@ldevon2318]

I’d say JRM was/is the least whipped!!

[@scotlandtheinsane3359]

@ldevon2318 What did he do in power but be a mouthpiece and cheerleader?

[@ldevon2318]

@@scotlandtheinsane3359 what do you mean when you say ‘in power’? Do we want people who live out small-c values at the table or not?

[@scotlandtheinsane3359]

@ldevon2318 Fux sake. Work it out! JRM had excuses at the ready for the Tories' failings 24/7.. He could have done more in government to push back. A lot more!

[@ldevon2318]

@@scotlandtheinsane3359 I agree he could have done more. I still think he’s one of the least whipped and i’d still like him at the table.

[@ruthirwin8222]

I really like Jacob Rees Mogg,love his quirkyness and his intelligence

[@martinthemillwright]

Has anyone ever watched Monty Python’s “upper class twit of the year”?

[@phillipsugwas]

Yea but he is a parvenu

[@marcokite]

@@phillipsugwas - unlike you!!!

[@carrie4558]

Like Jacob, he’s a real English gentleman and we need more like him in politics

[@Ragdollcatlover]

He thinks we should bring back workhouses

[@jameshogan6142]

Hr is the quintessential Englishman. All that is missing are the Bowler hat, umbrella, afternoon tea and muffins.

[@Chrissie-pg2vu]

He is also a devout Christian, hence his ethics.

[@lsmoulton]

It's going to be a lot duller without Moggy.🤔

[@evolassunglasses4673]

He condemned Enoch Powell. Is pro NeoCon war. Pro Neoliberal economics and isn't bothered about the White population becoming a minority

[@Zidana123]

0:20 "We also do badly when we're not seen as competent." Interesting turn of phrase. *Seen as,* as opposed to what, actually *being* competent? I'm not a Brit but this seems to me a core problem infesting modern British politics. It's all about "perception," or "being seen as." The substance of the thing is lost; there is a great confusion about signaling over doing the thing, vs actually doing the thing. And I think this is a problem not only of the political class, but of the entire public body. As Sir Rees-Mogg (kupo!) brings up the issue of Brexit as an example of a time the Conservatives did well, I remember at that time, just after the Referendum, the Brexiteers had a great big celebration over their victory. Then... they sat there and did nothing as the execution was completely botched. In hindsight (which admittedly is 20/20, so I can't fault them too much here) the error seems obvious: they had confused *having a vote on Brexit,* with actually *having Brexit.*

[@tropics8407]

Mogg was one of the few good ones… he will be back

[@jameshogan6142]

Yes the house of Commons just won't be the same without him.

[@hess6wi]

What has he ever done?

[@Peter-ov6xh]

​@hess6wi Sounded and looked posh and old-fashioned. People will forgive his complicity in the importation of millions of outsiders, all because he sounds comfortingly like a throwback.

[@gabriellejudd1]

​@Peter-ov6xh yep an old coloniser from the 17 to the 18th Centuries. Frightful.

[@dazraf]

🤣

[@SHINZ138]

Katy is insufferable in this, classic champagne socialist. My fear is, as it always be, that the working and middle class will suffer under labour immeasurably. It was over as soon as Sunak became leader. Agree with most of the points here about conservatives (not to be confused with tories) have seen little to no actually conservative policies enacted. Too reminiscent of Blair government. Things will be ok for the short term but I can see that 3 years down the line policies will put the working class / middle class to unbearable lows

[@IanFay-d1v]

Who is running the PA system? FFS.

[@Gilambesh]

Mogg gets it but the others seem trapped in the old way of thinking. Until they can understand why the Tories lost they will loose over and over again to Reform.

[@petemorris1885]

It’s utter nonsense that “get Brexit done” was a right wing message. It was a classic centre ground campaign. That message resonated with the vast majority of the electorate because, whether we voted for it or not, we wanted the issue concluded and the government to start governing the country. That was the massive glob in the centre; like or dislike Brexit, we wanted it concluded. The rest were small extremes that either wanted another referendum, or such a hard Brexit that the UK would have reduced themselves to the level of Mauritania on the world stage. But the centre ground was to conclude Brexit. Mogg doesn’t understand politics at all. But he does understand clinging onto others coattails and that is how he got where he did.

[@GeoffV-k1h]

The problem is that Brexit has been a disaster.

[@CBfrmcardiff]

@@petemorris1885 we got a "hard" Brexit, the Brexit Eurosceptics campaigned for. So that is not centrist. The exception is the fudge over Northern Ireland. The most ardent Brexit supporters would perhaps have chosen to leave with no trade deal rather than keep that part of the UK within the Single Market. The later Northern Ireland fudge by Sunak is vaguely open to interpretation so we don't know how much has been sacrificed for that.

[@chrissedaka8141]

The terms 'hard' and 'soft' Brexits were astroturfed by the pro-Remain establishment & media, to introduce compromise and capitulation into the negotiations, in what should otherwise have been a very cut and dry issue. A 'hard' Brexit was merely Brexit done correctly, and according to the conditions favoured by actual brexiteers. A 'soft', middle-of-the-road Brexit was 'Brexit in name only' (BRINO), i.e not Brexit at all. The centre ground largely colluded with the left in undermining the withdrawal, which is why Brexit was predominantly championed by the right wing. To then say that it was not, is revisionism which overlooks the derogatory view both the left and the centre had and continue to have of the right-wing, even as the latter have been vindicated in their desire for the UK to leave the EU. Rees-Mogg understands politics just fine. You may have wanted "Brexit concluded and the government to start governing the country", but those of us who wanted the UK's withdrawal from the EU had a specific avenue for that to happen, which the centre and the Left run roughshod over; one for getting it concluded regardless of its form, and the other for sabotaging and/or reversing it.

[@michaeladkins6]

@@CBfrmcardiff Was that on the ballot?

[@CBfrmcardiff]

@@michaeladkins6 see chrissedaka's answer. By "The ballot" you mean the Referendum, and, yes it was, both sides defined Brexit as leaving the CU and SM. As soon as the Referendum was lost, Remain politicians (who were in the majority of politicians) started campaigning to keep the UK in both, which was what one of their campaign leaders, the junior Kinnock, predicted to the BBC the day before the vote. Besides, the slogan and rationale of the Brexit campaign was "taking back control", so a soft Brexit, where you stay in the CU and SM but leave the decision-making process, would be the opposite of "taking back control"

[@susannamarker2582]

You cannot do right of centre politics in the UK, not since the Blair/Brown reforms of 1997-2010, starting with Blair's american Supreme Court and all his single-issue committees which sit above Parliament and whose rulings squeeze the value of Parliament and the value of your vote and of mine.

[@NiallWardrop]

What the Conservatives needed to do when they had a big majority was roll back these things, for some reason they didn't. The left doesn't hesitate given the slightest hold on power to advance their agenda by any and all means, the right doesn't.

[@matweb8195]

- "The rain has gone, I can see all obstacles in my way" -

[@barbarastubbings8643]

JACOB REES-MOGG TALKS SUCH SENSE I WHICH HE WOULD GO TO REFORM ONE OF THE GREAT CONSERVATIVES. A MAJOR PROBLEM WAS THE FRACTIONS IN THE CONSERVATIVES AND THAT IS STILL THE SAME. REFORM IS THE ONLY WAY NOW FOR THE BRITISH PEOPLE AND THE COUNTRY

[@Jon-xw9om]

So sad.

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

Starmer is going to raid pensions and savings. I can't see where else he's going to pull money from directly to pay for his madness.

[@MidnightSouls]

What madness? Being pro-growth is madness?