The Rivalry of Paul McCartney & Brian Wilson

[@tangobango9653]

The Beatles vs The Beach Boys was the epitome of “healthy competition.” The result was great music for us.

[@kitemanmusic]

Not too healthy for Brian Wilson. Did he seek help for his problems? Did the rivalry unbalance him?

[@tangobango9653]

kitemanmusic Good point. Brian has even admitted that marijuana helped him write ‘Pet Sounds.’

[@BrianSmith-vl7xu]

@@kitemanmusic then again he was probably already loaded with issues. this was just his trigger. so to speak.

[@Holygiant]

@@justmefl7045 McCartney and Wilson? McCartney wasn't even on the same planet as Wilson. "Egypt Station" - "Wonderful Christmas Time" - really?

[@lemonchicken507]

Tango Bango Let’s not forget LSD. However it proved to be a double edged sword in Brian’s case

[@gwkonyoutube]

*The Rolling Stones have no clue whether to actually enter or leave the chat*

[@laniriggs2038]

George W Kush lol

[@7John]

Knowing them, they don't even care--they're too stuck up as "the greatest rock and roll group in the world"--which is only true because the Beatles have been broken up for almost 50 years now (believe it or not).

[@7John]

S A So you think that YOU aren’t going to get any older??? We’ll see how YOU feel when YOU get to be their age!!!

[@paulsingstheaahs5545]

@@7John Calm down, boomer.

[@randomcringeyyoutuber6750]

@@paulsingstheaahs5545 ok zoomer.

[@likespurple2261]

About 8 or 9 years ago, my husband and I were heading into a Paul McCartney concert. I spotted Brian Wilson standing in the lobby. It looked as if he was waiting for someone else before going to his seat. He looked just as excited and happy to be there as everyone else. We were just about three feet away from him. I wanted to get closer and ask him for his autograph, but I got too nervous, and I also didn't want to disturb him while he was on a night out to have a good time. When I shouted, "Hey Brian! Great to see you! Thanks for the music!", he smiled and waved in my direction.

[@TheMellowPumpkin]

No actually, they're just good friends.

[@ellynmacgregor8210]

I missed this witty reply on my first scroll-through, but now--I saw what you did there: a sly reference to A HARD DAY'S NIGHT. :-)

[@HenryTheGreenEngine3F]

😂😂

[@bighungry98]

I understood that reference

[@laniriggs2038]

LMAO

[@its_thyy]

Oh that reference

[@johnarouet5030]

Great piece. McCartney had a big advantage: Lennon and the rest of the Beatles. Poor Brian had to carry Mike Love around like a piano on his back.

[@minstrelofMir]

the us had 8 track recorders from 1958 when the beatles got 4 tracks in 66 they made revolver then peppers,,you also cannot compare that,,8 tracks using a 4 to bounce with (beach boys) is far better

[@liamryan7239]

StuTheBru me And Brian Wilson made Pet sounds without Lennon, Harrison, and Ringo (who is of course known for his immaculate songwriting ability)

[@robingardella6240]

Exactly! 😀

[@mortis5150]

Can you imagine what would have happened to music at that time HAD Smile been finished and released? Would there be a White album? Abbey Road? Let it Be? Probably not as we know it now...Damn you Mike Love!! Brian may not had gone into his 3 year bed period and we may have gotten some more good BB material.

[@samuelstalcup732]

You are correct but Carl Wilson was magical with his voice if only drugs and Mike love and cancer wasn't around

[@TerryUniGeezerPeterson]

The thing I love about Brian Wilson and Paul McCartney is how humble they both are.

[@michaelsmith1094]

Terry, Humble? Really?

[@halloweenjack95]

Paul McCartney and humble? Now maybe but back in the 60s and 70s ? Not really lol

[@halloweenjack95]

@@aliceshaw8265 brian Wilson was mentally ill for a very,very long time. But in general he is and always was a nice guy.

[@him12672]

@@halloweenjack95 Lol Paul is still a huge egotist

[@oneaviatiorandminecraft]

@@him12672 what?

[@sdgakatbk]

A rivalry? Well the winners were us.

[@Timliu92]

Absolutely! Without the rivalry we would have never gotten incredible works such as Pet Sounds and Sgt. Peppers' Lonely Hearts Club Band.

[@vashna3799]

They both envied each other but Brian lacked a great songwriting partner , an encouraging producer and a wonderful manager that Paul was blessed with.

[@1940semochild]

What about Van Dyke Parks? Does he count?

[@lunasanja4574]

Brian tried to be all of that in one person, him. I sometimes think his biggest idol was Phil Spector.

[@rafaelsantosx]

@@1940semochild Yes, but it proves out that the Smile project was too ambitions for it's time. That could be a "game change" album.

[@idaslpdhr]

He had Van dyke Parks should have stuck with him

[@rainy7106]

@@rafaelsantosx I think the Smile project was simply too ambitious for the musical industrial complex. Even now, Brian would probably be shot down if he attempted t

[@feeno1188]

I think what affected Brian Wilson the most was how unsupportive his bandmates were. The Beatles loved each other very much. The Beach Boys were colleagues at best. Brian Wilson should have been in a band like the Beatles where everyone tried to help each other and keep on experimenting instead of Mike "the formula" Love

[@MortalWombat4480]

gym shoe I agree, the Beatles all came from not necessarily poor environments, but they definitely lived very hard-scrabble. They toured seedy German clubs for two years and didn’t really make it that big until four years after they changed their name to the Beatles. The Beach Boys saw almost instant success. It was hard for them to change the formula when the formula was what launched them to sky high success very early on.

[@Fishdogpigsquirrel]

The Beatles fucking hated each other lmao

[@macmuggo5459]

I'm Fishdogpigsquirrel only towards the end

[@tiffanymichelle3130]

Autumn Bold all true!

[@canuck21]

@The french Timelord So Carl and Dennis were just colleagues?

[@pennyenicks7905]

I find it interesting that Brian Wilson and Paul McCartney were born 2 days apart. There must have been something in the air that week in 1942.

[@misterschubert3242]

Axis planes...

[@coolguy2418]

Jews?

[@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube]

Wizards and shit?

[@wcassady]

And both played Bass

[@davidmartinez8304]

"There must have been something in the air that week in 1942." Yup... Them legs!

[@seres-de-luz]

Biggest rivalry Paul had was in his own band. His name was john.

[@johns2969]

Without a doubt

[@jefflampert6336]

That's what I think. John creates "Strawberry Fields Forever" and Paul thinks "Holy S**T!!" and out comes Penny Lane.

[@fullofwork]

Yes that strawberry fields and penny lane gave out that there was a rivalry

[@georgeevangel4292]

Not one bit a rivalry. They were a team Best team ever

[@beatlesgoats8376]

They brought the best out of each other.

[@dinoflame9696]

Here's what I think: Paul felt early on he'd "won", and knew Brian was struggling mentally. He acted like a good winner, and rather than pushing Wilson, perhaps knowing it would break him, he raised him to his own level, perhaps saving Brian's life in the process. Who knows if Paul would've been as graceful hadn't he come out on top -- but he saw a person, beyond the profession, and it's a sign of great empathy to not revel when someone else is suffering.

[@Mario_11]

I agree with you

[@nlg9sh918]

Except for the part where Paul won :)

[@creativesource3514]

I agree. Great insight.

[@adayinthelife5772]

If Paul failed it would have made Paul ultimately succeed.

[@80steen44]

@@nlg9sh918 well Rubber Soul inspired Pet Sounds which inspired Pepper and then there was no Smile. Not to mention that Revolver was in there as well.

[@Paul_The_Spaceman]

"We just remain ourselves, don't we Ringo" That killed me. Lol.

[@joediesen1]

Me too. I don't even know why I found it funny, but it's hilarious for some reason.

[@Paul_The_Spaceman]

@@joediesen1 his real name is Richard Starky

[@mrlarvux]

That sounded like someone doing a terrible Beatle impression to me for some reason haha.

[@brianwilson2024]

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[@davidkornblatt991]

The quote ; “If you remember the 1960s; you weren’t there!”

[@Crunch_Buttsteak]

Your last name sounds like an Irish insult

[@steveskouson9620]

Sorry, the '70's! I was there. Sorry, raised as a Mormon. steve

[@brianwilson2024]

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[@maureendevries1904]

It's attributed to the late, great Robin Williams.

[@mhappy4520]

Paul; "there might have been substances involved" "sometimes you fall out of a car, into a dark room" I love you Paul!

[@AndreideLosSantos]

I wasn't expecting that speech by Macca at the ending. Shit, I cried. That must have been a beautiful moment for Brian and he deserves it very much.

[@markanthony1425]

Before we lose both Brian and Paul would love to see a album with both of them writing songs singing and playing together.

[@themangoman9315]

That would be legendary

[@gerhitchman]

"I have to beat Sgt. Pepper!" Makes a song about carrots.

[@tiffanymichelle3130]

🤣 funny

[@dontunder2005]

@@yoblol Makes slightly more sense if you watch Yellow Submarine

[@rafaelsantosx]

"I've got nothing to say but it's okay Good morning, good morning"

[@alfiebarker7724]

wouldn't it be nice beats any song on the sgt pepper album

[@onetwothreefour162]

*Makes a song about carrots with Paul's chewing sounds. Hahahaha

[@taylorverrall118]

If it was a rivalry, it certainly looks like a constructive, friendly one, with each pushing each other to be even better

[@RageBaby587]

Both groups were masters of harmony - it's what made them great.

[@jerrylev59]

They inspired each other to create great music, everybody wins.

[@lorddeathspit1124]

Brian wasn't No. 1 but Paul was his No. 1 fan and that's saying something.

[@GlennDavey]

It seems like Paul knows it's important to Brian that he approves of his music. I'm sure it's genuine, but he can tell how much it means.

[@mediamannaman]

I love that comment! Especially knowing how hard it was for Paul to impress John.

[@steveskouson9620]

Paul is right! steve

[@brianwilson2024]

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[@ewest14]

@@GlennDavey It is genuine. God Only Knows is one of his favorite songs ever

[@JM-co6rf]

Mike Love should never be allowed to talk

[@tonyperkis420]

@Moishie because there isnt any

[@milesbandy2455]

Axel Bergström LMAO

[@supremelc3667]

J M he should just Dance Dance Dance!

[@smedleybutler8787]

You just wish you could surf like Mike.

[@user-hu3iy9gz5j]

Wow, that Mike Love seems to be as hated as Lars. What did he do? I like his voice, it gives the sound a bit edge.

[@vollsticks]

I like how Mike Love always looked 43, even when he was in his early twenties

[@halloweenjack95]

@@aliceshaw8265 well at least Elton John still had a big career.

[@xeon2773]

@@halloweenjack95 and he was also less of an asshole

[@tonyperkis420]

Assholes dont grow hair

[@Nerkin610]

Only person to look like 43, whether he’s 20 or 70. Impressive.

[@vollsticks]

@@Nerkin610 Pretty extraordinary, isn't it?

[@brian_b34]

if this rivalry dint exist, some of the best songs in history would have never existed.

[@callithowiseeit5806]

Yep and not just Beatle or Beach Boys songs either but ALL other bands/singers since trying to reach/compete with their standard

[@urwholefamilydied]

@@jamesb.9472 agreed... not true. Although you can cherry pick through interviews of paul or brian saying there was a rivalry... for paul, it was only one album, pet sounds, that really struck him. Besides that, i've never heard lennon or harrison mention the beach boys (although I'm sure they were fans). The beach boys were doing a bit of catch up in the 60's and trying to stay relevant. If not for the beatles and getting away from the whole surf thing, they probably wouldn't have lasted past '65. And certainly pet sounds wouldn't have been a thing.

[@kaywaters4427]

Brian it didn’t exist AT ALL in the UK - it was all Beatles v Stones.

[@scottkernaghan2600]

Well, it would have existed, we just wouldn't have heard of it. These musicians got our ear by following the controllers agenda, namely, pushing agendas on the public. The music is lovely, but without Paul always holding goats, or the Tavistock Institutes pushing of the Beatles, or Lennon's globalism, or Alister Crowley appearing on the cover for Sgt. Pepper, we just wouldn't have heard these tunes. I cover this music industry trend in my song about Bob Dylan, lyric video linked here. to give you an idea of what I mean. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aamspIaqgLamedk

[@paulj0557tonehead]

​@@kaywaters4427 Not insult the best measure for success, but fanship wasn't the rivalry they were referring to. Granted the Stones music was equal to, and sometimes better than both the Beach Boys and the Beatles, but so was The Who, namely Pete Townshend's song writing brilliance and creation of the Rock Opera. Pete pulled it off with the massive rock sound of electric guitar through vacuum tube 100 watt Marshall Stacks. After all, he did invent the big 8 12" speaker cabinet for these guitar amps. Although these first big Marshall's were just one tall cabinet until the roadies complained of back trouble, so they it cut into an upper 4 and lower 4 speaker cabs stacked.

[@mikahjohn2809]

I want to use inter-dimensional travel to find the alternate timeline where Brian Wilson didn't break down; where the Beatles and the Beach boys continued their album-topping rivalry all the way through the 60s... can you imagine?!

[@tiffanymichelle3130]

I’m down! That would be fantastic!

[@bathtangle]

The fact is the Beatles were never in competition with the Stones, they were in competition with Brian Wilson. George Martin talked about it. The Beatles never saw the Stones as a completer. It was always the genius Brian.

[@hohaia01]

Yeah, that's crap. Other than McCartney, the rest of the Beatles would hardly have even given a toss about Wilson.

[@tubester4567]

I dont think there is any comparison, and Pet Sounds is one of the most over-rated records ever. Theres only 2 or 3 good songs on the album. The Beach Boys invented a new sound, a very original sound, but all their songs sounded similar, that surfing beach boy sound. The Beatles evolved with every record, with different sounds , and they got better, almost every song on their albums was good. By 1967 Brian fried his brain with drugs and it was pretty much over for them. Beatles have a much bigger catalog of hit songs, and classics. Beach Boys deserve credit for their original unique sound but they didnt evolve past that sound and it sounded dated by the late 60's. Just my opinion though.

[@KingpinTBM]

@@tubester4567 I couldn't agree with you more

[@timmullens9479]

love the Beach Boys but not nearly in the level of the Beatles

[@hedonist4antasy]

Cowboy Luke well when you’ve got three McCartney like people who are obsessed with hits, you’re bound to have your creativity stunted which is the only reason the beach boys couldn’t go higher and brian didn’t reach his full potential

[@noeditbookreviews]

Even if you don't care for the sound, you have to respect Wilson's writing and creative abilities.

[@jimmybuffet4970]

"don't care for the sound"??? What kind of maniac wouldn't like it?

[@noeditbookreviews]

@@jimmybuffet4970 hey I know man. there are some sick people out there.

[@hitty9]

@@jimmybuffet4970 You got it Jimmy!

[@richardmullens5206]

Not to mention the harmonies. None better in that regard, in my opinion.

[@daviddawson1718]

I do not, Wilson committed plagiarism at least twice. That is artistic suicide

[@yelloweyeball]

Whenever they play old clips of Murray Wilson talking, he comes of as an evil version off Dave Seville from Alvin and the Chipmunks.

[@steveskouson9620]

Murry Wilson was the reason that the early Beach Boys music was monaural. Brian is deaf in one ear, thanks to Murry. Think just how much better The Beach Boys would have been, without Murry and Mikey! steve

[@TheGreatPresenter]

God Only Knows is one of the best songs written, ever

[@notdead12]

Actually you mean Come Together

[@TheGreatPresenter]

@@notdead12 That's a John Lennnon song

[@notdead12]

Jaquie Fallon Are you dumb or something? It’s The Beach Boys Go research shit before you say stuff

[@TheGreatPresenter]

@@notdead12 Learn to read before you comment. "God only knows" was written by Brian Wilson

[@steveskouson9620]

That is Sir Paul's (and my) opinion! Both Paul and I have a problem with our eyesight, just from hearing this song! steve

[@bobshenix]

The Beach Boys late-60s/early-70s period is actually really underrated. Friends, 2020, Sunflower, Surf's Up all had their moments. Nothing like Pet Sounds, obviously...

[@wcassady]

Don't forget Holland

[@pressurewashingcompany]

YES! Songs like Aren’t You Glad, Disney Girls, Darlin’, and others are so fucking good.

[@bobgall6764]

The Beatles influenced Charlie Manson, BUT the Beach Boys SANG Charlie Manson...mmmm.WTF???🤔😅

[@beachboysfanforever1244]

@bobshenix thank you very much sir for this very true enlightening post

[@MICKEYISLOWD]

The BB did about 7-8 albums without Wilson. For me it really shows. Some of the BB music is too bland for me and overdone. The best of the BB is truly stunning though. If Brian hadn't gotten so sick then they would of written many more great songs and taken some of the glory away from the Beatles. Having said that the Beatles never have been nor never will be overrated. If anything they are a little underrated because their music is so damn sophisticated even from their very early stuff. I have spoken to many classically trained musicians what they truly think and they say they were incredible. They also told me when asked they could never write anything so good.

[@Cindymamasita]

This changes how i see the bands. .. i feel so heart broken for Brian.

[@rafaelsantosx]

@@aliceshaw8265 They all did a lot of drugs, the problem was that Brian's mind was too fragile, I guess.

[@graham2014]

@@rafaelsantosx Well "too fragile" to me would be an oversimplification, it was more a culmination of factors. Foremost, Brian Wilson was a bona fide genius, and with great intellect one assumes must come with a lot of internal mental issues. Next, Brian had an absolutely terrible and abusive childhood, and his father was verbally abusive throughout his adolescence into adulthood-- pair that with the abuse and lack of support from fellow bandmates. And then of course, lastly Brian had to deal with a manipulative and abusive psychiatrist, alongside his greatest period of psychedelic abuse. So "fragile" sure, but with a multitude of factors far outside of his control.

[@brandonw6139]

@@rafaelsantosx his childhood and underlying mental illness didn't help

[@Eilatj]

God Only Knows...I'm a lifelong Beatles fan, but THAT song...

[@lamarravery4094]

What about Caroline no and I just wasn't made for these times, the warmth of the sun, and wouldn't it be nice?

[@mancan1531]

Eilat Jelin I agree with you completely! “God Only Knows “ is the best thing The Beach Boys ever did, in my opinion!

[@sellout87]

i read that sentence wrong

[@RoyHorbison]

As a collection of work, The Beatles. Best song of both bands, God Only Knows.

[@carlfuggiasco7495]

On that I agree....it's a great song....and I never want to take anything away from the Beach Boys but they and all band even the stones do not compare to the Beatles!!!!!

[@globalmonkey007]

What are the odds that Paul and Brian, the composers of the most beautiful melodies of 20th century pop music, were both born within 2 days of each other? (Paul on 06/18/42, Brian on 06/20/42.) That amazing week changed pop music forever.

[@marywealth6475]

The odds are probably 12175 to 1 that two people of the same century would be born within two days of each other. ("Counting. I didn't get counting." - P.M.)

[@mesosaIpinx]

So glad this video is finally back!!

[@nedscruddermann6059]

Alright Sir Paul and Brian, why don't you do an album together?

[@farrellmcnulty909]

They're both perfectionists. They'd make each other nuts. Having said that, I'd love to hear it if it ever happened.

[@danerd8978]

@@farrellmcnulty909 🤔 Did you not ever hear of A Friend Like You from Brian's 3rd Solo album. It features both Brian and Paul.

[@robinluck2922]

I think it's too late.... they're jaded, a big part of what a song can be is the what if? The mystery of (what will tomorrow be ?) Well they've lived every version of tomorrow you could imagine.......

[@kelvinsmith6854]

@@danerd8978 ..yeh it's a sickening load of back slapping garbage, vomit inducing.

[@idonteperfect6943]

Robin Luck I mean if yoko can score her 13th number 1 U.S. hit in the 2010s brian and paul can make a hit song together

[@1luiszepol]

Im a Beatles's fan and I love The Beach Boys. Paul McCartney said Brian Wilson is a genius.

[@ellynmacgregor8210]

And he was correct--while taking nothing from the genius of Macca.

[@dinocarlucci2105]

Paul said a lot of things speshly after a few spliffs.

[@w.h.1940]

my balls itch...

[@didimean]

Paul is such an amazing man. I love that he still treats Brian so well. He never forgot where he came from and always gives respect where it's due. Considering he was in one of the best bands of all time - his ego is incredibly small, and the fact he still talks about how great a composer Brian was speaks volumes.

[@TheCaveJunkie]

This video was so heartwarming and relatable, thank you

[@Riz2336]

I think it's great that they inspired each other, 2 cool bands

[@joes-jv9hk]

This is an amazing essay you made a whole-ass documentary! Thanks for compiling all these interviews and making everything so clear fantastic work!

[@burlingtonbill1]

The biggest difference I see between Brian and Paul is that Paul seemed to have a little more self-control when it came to experimenting with "substances," whereas Brian seemed to completely self-destruct. (There was no "Gene Landy" needed to "rescue" Paul...or was there? If so, we never heard anything.) Maybe we should also look at the intra-band conflicts to shed further light: Paul vs.John, and Brian vs. Mikey.

[@brianmi40]

but it wasn't the experimentation, you need to read up on what an asshole belligerent child beater Brian's father was... We're talking Joe Jackson type asshole: www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/27/joe-jackson-one-of-the-most-monstrous-fathers-in-pop

[@antontalbot9148]

Nope. Brian had and incredibly serious mental condition and years of abuse, he was searching for something to dull his pain in a time when there was nearly no real help for mental illness

[@kommissar.murphy]

I always got the impression Linda was so prominent in Wings to curb his baser instincts....

[@Lonesomepoet]

@@kenni123064 Says who? You?

[@ellynmacgregor8210]

@TheBrabon1, excellent post!

[@myguitardetective5961]

This was lovely Jeffrey. I'm a film historian, musician, and I lived through that period. I agree with you 100%....very insightful for someone your age.

[@linaivanuta5943]

I just feel so bad for Brian, obviously he's true fans understand but he deserved so much better...

[@rome8180]

It's a musical tragedy that Smile never got made the way it was supposed to. Instead all we've got is an approximation.

[@Ididntaskforahandleyoutube]

It's a pretty brilliant approximation. Cheers.

[@aia94]

SMiLE was re-recorded with Sir Brian's awesome band EXACTLY the way he intended it to be. Oh & my top two albums of all-time are Pet Sounds & SMiLE.

[@rome8180]

I disagree with that assessment. And here's Wikipedia on the subject: ​"As a solo artist, Wilson reinterpreted Smile for concert performances in 2004, followed by an album Brian Wilson Presents Smile, which he said differed substantially from his original concept.[13] In 2011, The Smile Sessions was released containing an approximation of what the original Smile might have sounded like." All we've gotten is a re-creation by a much older and more damaged Brian Wilson. Smiley Smile is probably closer to the original intention, in my view. But it's still just a rough outline.

[@aia94]

Smiley Smile is not SMiLE. Don't even compare the two.

[@rome8180]

​@@aia94 Did I say it was? The Wikipedia quote I posted was about the version of Smile that was released by Brian Wilson in 2004. He himself said it was different than his original intention.

[@wilmtigers]

This is really very well put together. Great job.

[@salamandersaladman8483]

my favorite part is that Brian poured everything he had into making an album better than rubber soul but just ended up inspiring the beatles to get even better than they already were

[@themangoman9315]

And still made an album that is still considered one if not the best album of all time rivaling the Beatle's best if you're going to go out at least go out with a bang

[@evecunningham4576]

21:06 Paul McCartney is the cheerleader we all need

[@Lucille_McCartney73]

NORMALIZATION OF IGNORANCE what the hell

[@seans6164]

Great video! Sucks about changing the music, but you still brought your point across

[@swanofnutella4734]

Brian's perception of the Beatles: How to be simultaneously inspired and injured by something.

[@yvetteromero7576]

The Beach Boys could deliver perfect harmonies in and out of the studio. Brian Wilson is the mastermind behind much of the beach boy success. Without pet sounds they would’ve stayed as a preppy pop California band.

[@idaslpdhr]

If Mike Love hadn't hated SMILE, this might have been a different story

[@DevinLatulippe]

@@idaslpdhr if mike love just wasn’t in the band this would’ve been a different story

[@themangoman9315]

True I mean I like the poopy stuff in a nostalgic way but pet sounds knock everything else out of the water

[@jamesblames]

@@themangoman9315 Their early music is still quite complex and enchanting, all because of Brian. The harmonies are insane!

[@WorldwideWyatt]

Paul Vs Brian as composers of music are both incredible, Paul had the advantage of always having proper support. First from the Beatles, and then from Linda and Denny Laine while Brian Wilson was always told “no” by the other people in his life.

[@siroswaldfortitude409]

I like the beach boys but the mere fact that every successful band feels obliged to compare themselves to the Beatles is proof enough that the Beatles are the bench mark which all are measured by. They even gave away great songs!

[@elliotwilsonpersonal3328]

This video is absolutely brilliant. I'd love for millions of people to see it, as a proper, true education into two of the greatest songwriters to have ever lived. Thanks for the vid man, I really loved it!

[@allanrussack4143]

Nice informative, heartfelt video. To all the musicians who made all our lives so much better, Cheers! We love you all.

[@Bee-28]

This was brilliant; so informative, well put together...I really enjoyed that!

[@jefflampert6336]

Really excellent video. An important objective difference that was pointed out is that Brian did everything, songwriting, producing, arranging, whereas The Beatles were a 3-headed monster, Lennon, McCartney, Martin. When one needed musical assistance, the others were there to help. Who did Brian have to turn to that was the equivalent of the Beatles team. And on top of that, George Harrison came into his own as a song writer.

[@pdfpockethole]

I love your videos about Brian Wilson and the post-1966 era. Would love to see more (please)

[@jakesnake66]

Well done. Thanks for this video. It's really impossible to measure influence, impact, importance...but as a die-hard, near-obsessive Brian Wilson fan I have no problem acknowledging that the overall significance of the Beatles outweighs that of the BBs/BW. They were highly productive and relevant far longer, and their COOL factor enabled them to profoundly impact R&R. My mentors almost to a person cite the Beatles' appearance on Ed Sullivan as a seminal experience. We can never count how many musicians were spawned from that singular performance. There is no equivalent with the BBs. Both bands impacted tremendously on an artistic, esoteric level, but the Beatles had an equal if not greater impact at the pop level for many years. However, the one area where Brian Wilson stands head and shoulders above all others is the sheer magnitude of his individual achievement. Considering Brian's non-combative personality and insecurities, it boggles the mind that he accomplished PS. Not only was Brian solely responsible for the massive creative output, but he very literally had to *fight* for his vision. The man had almost ZERO support from the very people he most wanted to please! This is the part of the story I just cannot reconcile. How Brian found the fortitude to push all this through on his own, with the record company and Mike Love discouraging him just defies belief. The Beatles had every advantage. Brian had few. Yet Brian still equaled the height of artistic expression if not the breadth and duration.

[@themangoman9315]

That's what draws me to the beach boys more than the Beatles brian was the underdog were as Paul John George and ringo were on top of the world

[@SugaryCoyote]

This is educational. What KZbin lets copyright holders get away with is criminal.

[@technoserf_digital]

There are alternatives to youtube in the making right now. The last couple years especially have been egregious. I hope there will be a few competitors within the next five years.

[@nuwavedave]

Do you think copyright holders aren't deserving of being paid - and you have some ethereal "Right" to get everything handed you FREE? When have YOU ever made a creative work - and gotten NOTHING for it? You condemn those who OWN the right to their labors - because YOU want it for free. You have your head inserted squarely up your ass. You're what's WRONG with the US Democratic Party and the Socialist Agenda of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. You're a bunch of lazy do-nothings who expect the PRODUCTIVE members of society to carry you.

[@ralphsalvatore9389]

KZbin doesnt do a damn thing you dont agree to. Its in the user agreement. You can 100% use anything you want in America for non commercial/ education purpose. Unless you sign that right away. On a medium such as you tube. Im really tired of people bitching about "rights" that you gave away.....

[@careyw3161]

@Tom Anderson I don't know if your argument has any merit or not, but you do yourself a great disservice with your profane rant and personal attacks.

[@MsAppassionata]

Ameri Color Why do you right-wing nuts have to bring politics into every single video, no matter how tenuous or inappropriate the connection? You really are sickening.

[@dinocarlucci2105]

The Beatles changed the whole world of music the Beach boys contributed to that change.

[@jordandangelo180]

This is the best documentary/video I’ve seen on KZbin in an long time. It wasn’t just all facts and history. It had heart and soul especially when it came to telling Brian’s story. Fine job.

[@jsmith1899]

10:22 When Mike Love tries an English accent, he sounds totally Irish

[@Rusty-Door-Knob]

Irish accent isn't too far off Scouse accent.

[@jannis2255]

@@Rusty-Door-Knob His whole attempt at the accent consisted of just replacing the word my with me. Seems more like a really terrible Irish accent imo

[@staceymeans134]

Johnny Ramone wanted his band to be the next Beatles (seriously), but my favorite description of them was from a writer in either Rolling Stone or Creem which read: "The Ramones sound like The Beach Boys would have if the Wilson brothers had grown up in the Bowery instead of Southern California."

[@nathankornegaymusic]

Thanks for all the Beach Boys/Brian Wilson content you've created. Really well done.

[@Sironae]

I love the Beatles but my soul belongs to Brian Wilson.

[@paninoferretti]

@Zach Higgins literally me

[@oldskool731]

poor brian having to compete with lennon an mccartney

[@ellynmacgregor8210]

Some serious competition there, for sure.

[@Ram44]

And George Martin. Brian was ALL THREE in one person.

[@allexisberry7367]

The beach boys were outselling the beatles in their own country.

[@paulnottherealmccartney8558]

Then george became par with both john and paul in songwriting. The beatles was stacked.

[@davidkornblatt991]

Theres no comparison from mccartney and wilson they are so different. They both write great pop music

[@oliviamarr6476]

How great is it that these two wonderful artists are still with us ❤️

[@choongching]

I remembered Brian Wilson and his mates were driving when they heard the latest Sgt. pepper on the radio. He then stopped the car by the road side, turned to his band mates and said, 'we are done.'

[@allymayful]

Thank you Jeffrey for this interesting video. It seems to me that Pauls regular and loving acknowledgement of Brian and his music, has to have made an important contribution to Brians healing, and him getting back to his music. Also encouraging the music world to take Brian seriously again. Such a lovely story.

[@leopoldopetrieska6564]

post-pet sounds albums by the beach boys are still amazing, mostly "friends", "wild honey" and "surf's up"

[@AbbeyRoadkill1]

For me, 20/20 is better than Friends. Sunflower might be, too.

[@rafaelsantosx]

@@AbbeyRoadkill1 I thing 20/20 and Sunflower are better too. Wild Honey was their attempt to restart making music they could play and sound good live.

[@ΆρηςΠαπαδανιήλ]

Holland

[@slothfromthegoonies8201]

Revolver being overlooked as usual. It was the best damn album of the bunch!

[@voiddcxi2630]

Sloth from The Goonies i dont think it is the best Beatles album, but it is certainly up there. In my opinion, the best one is Magical Mystery Tour.

[@davidkariu]

@@voiddcxi2630 WTF

[@retardinyourcloset2239]

@@voiddcxi2630 I prefer Abbey Road but Magical Mystery Tour is pretty good.

[@slawssson9447]

Rubber Soul is tied with Revolver for me

[@MICKEYISLOWD]

Almost every video on the BB involves the Beatles but the same isn't true of the Beatles videos. People who have to make a comparison or feel they have to defend their team are so silly. I love them both and thank god they existed. Their music has inspired me to learn music theory, play guitar and now piano. They sound completely different yet the guy making this video has to say stupid shit regarding his own countries band the BB. Why...? When you understand music theory you can hear what is great about both. They both wrote the finest songs for the 20th century by a long way for popular music and the output from the Beatles was staggering (300 songs 8yrs) If Brian Wilson had not been so ill with depression, anxiety and all that he would of written many more songs too and this is something I feel a little cheated out of because that would of been wonderful. Nevertheless we have what we have and the worlds a much more beautiful place because of it. I must say though that Revolver is my fav album but if SGT Peppers had Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane on it as they were intended then that would of been just as great.

[@davidnissim589]

Fun fact: Brian was born two days after Paul. I don't know what was in the air that week in 1942, but it created two of music's greatest songwriters.

[@vladtepes3201]

Stolen

Beautiful video ! Thank you for this treat !! Excellent storytelling and really good vibrations :)

[@S0lidState]

Imagine Brian teaming up with Jim Morrison and Richard Carpenter.

[@kiwi-m2t]

that would be so cool

[@antoniozuquete5068]

Beatles would still win

[@bobocah69]

still not a chance

[@gayleash9712]

Cannot compare the two groups. ..at all. It's like apples and oranges. Both great, both different, both musical genius!

[@allanaba8237]

The advantages of the Beatles is that they have all contributed their individual skills to their songs plus the active participation of their well schooled musician producer, George Martin. They're genius in their respective field of interest. Hence, the production of a couple of great music with sophisticated vocal and instrumental arrangements. No wonder, they have outsmarted all their contemporaries at the time.

[@psychlos21]

@@allanaba8237 Agree. The Beatles are the greatest band of all time. Every generation appreciates their music.

[@MortalWombat4480]

psychlos21 The Beach Boys’ music, especially early on, can be a bit schlocky. But what separates the two is that the Beatles was a combined effort of four or five men. The Beach Boys and their masterpieces were almost completely Brian Wilson.

[@MortalWombat4480]

Shoegame Crazy Not nearly as much as the Beach Boys.

[@hart.6230]

@Shoegame Crazy That's why they got bored, and made rubber soul

[@stephenhosking7384]

Wonderful story, and so well assembled with the clips! A huge amount of work, but the results are worth it! Thankyou!

[@marcusbradley6207]

To really understand The Beach Boys, of course you need to know the fun in the sun songs, Pet sounds and good vibrations but you also need to know the many albums that are sadly not as well known like Friends, Smiley smile, wild honey, 20/20, sunflower, surfs up, Holland, Carl and the passions ‘so tough’, ‘love you’, their self titled album and their latest album. Also the smile sessions. Overall The Beach Boys were more or less on par with the Beatles in the 60’s and continued making fantastic albums decades after the Beatles broke up. And pet sounds and smile two masterpieces that in my opinion top sgt pepper, abbey road and the white album any day. Even in the early days I still prefer The Beach Boys’ music personally because of their harmonies which the Beatles rarely had. You can’t beat Brian’s falsetto. Overall, the Beatles are really amazing but I prefer The Beach Boys personally.

[@Cat-vi9wz]

Ditto kiddo!

[@idaslpdhr]

Would never have guessed that

[@pinkpanda6184]

I agree with you, I always prefer Beach Boys musically

[@jamesswindle5253]

Not fair comparing anyone to the Beatles. Beatles were a universe beyond other bands. Most musicians admit this now, that the Beatles music still as popular and fresh as the day it was releas

[@Lichenroc]

I agree with James the Beach Boys might have had more appeal in their own time period of the 60s but the appeal of Beatles music transcends the 60s so much so that they are millions of people worldwide who still listen to it today.

[@WarPigs413]

I grew up with the Beach Boys, also was raised in Redondo Beach where Brian Wilson and others spent a lot of time. That being said, The Beatles are untouchable. No musical artist comes close.

[@richardmullens5206]

Used to surf Redondo beach. Topaz , Saphire. Remember the horseshoe pier. Liked the Beatles a lot.

[@Dmab661]

liver666 well said!!

[@hesch-tag]

Jimi Hendrix

[@DTMBYLEZ70]

#Hesch tag your kidding right-not enough work and songwriting? No way

[@fatninjacatmatt]

Hey Redondo native here as well!

[@tryingtobebetter1923]

I love how they couldnt care less about the music theory hahaha

[@Noahtheastronaut]

Excellent work once again, Jeffery. Can't explain just how important your video essays are to exposing the brilliance of Brian Wilson. You clearly do your research and your script is written very well. I look forward to future video essays you make on other artists.

[@Ericbryanmr]

Brian is a humble sweet heart, Paul is very sharp.

[@Lucille_McCartney73]

Derpyderp :O Paul is not sharp at all! He’s the sweetest person ever! >:/

[@GentlemanAmerican]

What I like about this rivalry between Paul McCartney and Brian Wilson is that it is friendly. They admire and respect each other. Brian admits to being blown away by "Rubber Soul" and Paul praises "Pet Sounds" as an inspiration for "Sgt Pepper." You can be competitors and still be gentlemen about it. This should be a lesson to other artists.

[@TheTriplelman]

I was just with Paul 3 months ago, the greatest musician in human history, and a real nice guy.

[@dinocarlucci2105]

Did he ask about me

[@danadams8649]

Bold af statement!! never seen him shred guitar like hendrix! ive never seen him play piano like thelonious monk! never seen him play the saxophone like john coltrane either and why has his music been dull for the last 40 years then? georges all things must pass album is better than pauls boring discography put together

[@Sweeterman]

@@danadams8649 Hendrix? You do realize Jimi tried hitting up Paul before he died because he wanted to collab right? Jimi made mostly noise with a fucking whammy bar. McCartney has been a musical genius since he picked up a guitar. Every artist you just named had flashes in a fucking period of time. Paul McCartney is timeless. If you look at Lennons solo career, he had some bangers, sure. But during that time Paul made a band and went on tour with a complete different sound and they fucking rocked. John went on tour with Yoko and played shit from his solo albums with musicians I can't name. I can't tell you who was in George's band or Ringo's band. Paul had Denny Lane, Jimmy McCulloch, a fucking brass section featuring Thaddeus Lewis. A band that ripped through the 70s, went platinum and then Paul got caught up in Japan with a little pot and the band split. Paul went on to collab with Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Steve Miller, Carl Perkins and so many more artists in just the 80s alone. Paul McCartney has stayed relevant. Even his shit in the 2000s. Have you listened to chaos and creation in the back yard? Obviously you're biast againts McCartney but I encourage you, if you're open minded to play that album on your own, on a road trip, fishing, on a bike ride, on the bus, wherever you find yourself alone with headphones and really listen to that album. Take in the instruments, his words. From top to bottom it's one of his greatest works of art. Every instrument, all recorded by him which Isnt uncommon in his work. Fuckin Egypt Station topped the billboards. You name one artist from the 60s who made any sort of "comeback" and topped the billboards going platinum. He's the one man who has never sold out. Several SNL appearances, Grammy awards, late night shows, still rocking in 2020 has to make him the greatest musician in history and modern day rap artists get it and pay respects to the legend himself. You should too.

[@danadams8649]

@@Sweeterman shut up you old boring bastard

[@danadams8649]

@@Sweeterman his music is dull like your life ahahaahahahaha

[@joecampbell2365]

Really great video! When Mick Jaggar introduces The Beatles in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, he mentions a similar rivalry but one also filled with love, respect, and inspiration.

[@qasanoba]

This is a great piece of video edition, narration style and research

[@inspirationalbalance5974]

The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson are my religion, they will remain so till the day I day and hopefully in heaven too! But please, don't underestimate the Beatles ... They changed the world. They made everyone better. They made everyone reach to be just that bit better, and reach for uncharted heights. The world would be a bleaker place - even you would not be the same person - without them. If you truly try understand what happened in 1963 you would know that the Beatles were more than just a musical gift.

[@mitjam.7443]

Same here.

[@wildsmiley]

My two favorite bands are The Beach Boys and The Beatles, in that order. Along with Motown records, to me there is no better, more beautiful music in the world. Brian Wilson is an absolute musical genius of epic proportions and Lennon/McCartney (and Harrison) are some of the finest songwriters this world has ever seen. To listen to each band's best music is to almost touch the sky.

[@johndough3921]

Dude you’re really good at making these videos intense

[@AT-yg4nk]

Brian Wilson is the only man in the world Paul McCartney takes a bow too. What an honor and what legends these two men are.

[@anton.j.]

Great channel, thanks for your videos!

[@kabird.5493]

I am insanely grateful you make videos like this

[@Freezepark]

I keep rewatching the story about Brian asking Paul if he can keep the shades on LOL that just sounds so legit

[@billyboyer]

The competition between the two bands wasn't motivated by money, at all. The competition was purely centered around music. They both pushed each other to be maximum in their creativity. Brian Wilson loved Rubber Soul and McCartney heard Pet Sounds and was blown away; and proceeded to grind Pepper. The funny thing is most folks don't know that Wilson and McCartney loved each others' music. Pet Sounds is on equal par with Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and vice versa. If one reads some different articles on Paul, he actually has Pet Sounds in his playlist.

[@Lonesomepoet]

Brian was "blown" away too with Rubber Soul. Nice try in making Brian looking like the superior one.

[@Lonesomepoet]

Sgt. Pepper is superior and yes, we all know that. He even bought the album for his grandkids. Again, nice try.

[@ellynmacgregor8210]

While I think you make some good points, let's not forget that before Sgt. Pepper, The Beatles gave us Revolver. I would never for a moment discount the importance of SPLHCB, I *personally* prefer Revolver (which I realize puts me in a minority).

[@larbueno]

@@ellynmacgregor8210 Not really sure if that is a majority POV...for me, I love Sgt. Peppers, but maybe love Revolver a bit more.

[@joeyricci3796]

Once again Jeffrey.... Great job! You're gifted at doing great documentaries, for sure.

[@PeterLafluer12]

Paul McCartney is such a class act. Great video

[@ElCameronDormido]

Smile would be right up there with Dark Side of the Moon had it been released, I was totally blown away with it, incredible

[@thomashester2]

I love this video essay The humor, the clips Subscribed

[@thorified7904]

Everybody reacted to the Beatles. They were it. Then there was everyone else. They kept on and on. Sometimes one or another would tie then in one small slice of something. But they were the tsunami. You had to be there and have ears when it all came down. They were always ahead. Always.

[@ellynmacgregor8210]

Very wise of you to add "and have ears"--some people lacked the ability to listen intelligently and caringly...and missed out on so much...so very much. By the way, your post reminds me of the title of (Sir) George Martin's memoirs: All You Need Is Ears. :-)

[@dreamingrightnow1174]

Also, the Beatles werealways evolving. Beatles fans pretty much saw the BB as derivative, boring and square. It probably wasn't a fair assessment, or based on totally on the music.. The Hawaiian shirts and white pants had a part to play, lol. They were a little too Chad and Jeremy.

[@DelayedJet]

The thing I like about the whole Beatles vs. Beach Boys thing, was that it was a healthy rivalry. I mean, it was a "rivalry" of sorts, because there was still competitiveness, and they *were* trying to outdo each other, but at the same time, unlike a lot of other band rivalries, there was no shortage of humility. They were fans of one another, and their works fueled one another to give us popular music history... seems more like a collaboration to me.

[@bls8959]

All them 60s bands were good friends

[@Compassiron1]

This is a really high quality documentary. Well done

[@georgfiscus2170]

I get around....... even I get embarassed watching Mike Love dance..... the quintessential standard of ridiculous..... but Brian Wilson is one awesome song writer...