The 🔥Roast🔥 of Classroom of the Elite

Classroom of the Elite is an anime that I watched. That's not quite the nicest thing I can say about it, but it's close, so here's a new roast! Enjoy.
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0:00 No, It's the Children Who Are Wrong
4:22 Judging a book by its terrible animation
9:26 Introducing our Protagonist, Suzune Horikita
19:48 Real Bad Bad Guys
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[@thetowerofdarkness]

"Just make everyone else dumber than them and/or let them predict the future!" Ah, the BBC Sherlock method.

[@Powered1Buttercup]

Shit, time to watch Hbomberguy’s video on that show again

[@stonks3507]

@@Powered1ButtercupA ritual I preform whenever someone mentions BBC Sherlock

[@metalvoiceguy1232]

Great, thanks for taking 2 hours from my day by mentioning that video. now I have to watch it again. I could have got something done but nope it's Hbomb time

[@oneeyed9579]

That kind of story telling is maddening but kinda stupid fun sometime. But for me it did not work. In this case if it was satire it would have.

[@jj947]

@@Powered1Buttercupnow I’m just disappointed Classroom of the Elite doesn’t have a boomerang

[@FDSignifire]

"Enjoy your trash while you can" is genuinely great advice to young people

[@stga6255]

Did not expect to see you here

[@larsnyman2455]

F.D. Jumpscare? This reminds me of when John Walsh showed up in your masculinity video

[@Godspeace21]

Oh man the world’s greatest crossover!

[@renebismarck8265]

You dare yourself to crawl out of your hole?

[@bestnokuestion2150]

MB, FD and Super Eyepatch being colleagues is so surreal to me.

[@Superkirby982]

I really do not understand why tf anyone would wanna BE Ayanokoji when in the series the dude literally doesn't even wanna be himself 💀💀

[@alicewandermeer998]

BUT HIS SOOOO COOOOOL!!! (c) TFS KIng Vegita

[@soulstice33]

@@alicewandermeer998 lol nice

[@DBZHGWgamer]

I think the idea is that Ayanokoji is just so on a different level compared to everyone around him that he doesn't fall for anything and is 5 steps ahead of everyone is something people aspire to be. Meanwhile people don't include the whole thing where he's pretty much a slave to how his father raised him and the only act of rebellion he can muster is to try to be a normal kid at highschool until his father takes him back and uses Ayanokoiji as a tool to fulfill his own dreams.

[@Danz009]

he can literally make anything happen through a combination of social engineering and insane planning / intellect. the odds are always so insanely stacked against him but he always finds a way to come out unscathed while meeting certain conditions that increase the difficulty. it seems impossible but he finds a way and thats kind of inspiring.

[@holdingpattern245]

these people probably don't want to be themselves either

[@TheKarishi]

The "they made a special school on a futuristic island they constructed in Tokyo Bay" is such a WEIRD specific detail to exist in like five very different anime.

[@thedarklordx]

It must be based on something in real life. Or all those authors watched each other's shows.

[@Kromgar1337]

@@thedarklordx I think there was some island in tokyo bay where a bunch of companies dumped tech they couldn't sell back when japans economy crashed

[@andreaduarte3439]

they've built offshore islands in like four different places across Japan to place airports, i think that's probably part of the irl context

[@EgnachHelton]

@@thedarklordx There's a plan to construct a huge pyramid like structure to house the entire population of Tokyo, in the middle of the Tokyo Bay.

[@timothymclean]

Aside from artificial islands being a thing and Tokyo being a place where people would plausibly want more land,* building your own artificial island next to Tokyo is a convenient way to invent a setting not tied to inconvenient real-world geographic details while still being close to familiar places, in both tone and travel time. *I read somewhere that it has the highest land prices of any city on Earth? But even if land there is slightly cheaper than in Paris or NYC, that's still expensive enough for building your own land to be a plausibly economical decision.

[@gentlemandemon]

when you described an opaque system where the kids are given autonomy with no structure, all I could think is that they're gonna end of with a lot of pregnant teens

[@mothersbasement]

Shinzo Abe voice: feature, not a bug

[@cnlbenmc]

Maybe they're all on birth control or something...

[@Dell-ol6hb]

@@mothersbasement 💀

[@Bylov6812]

@@mothersbasement Slick

[@Shadow6OO]

@@mothersbasement Congrats on roasting the corpse 👍

[@Piromysl359]

Sometimes I think I am Ayanokoji. I also like to not express any emotions, torment women by exposing them to bullying, torture and sexually assault them to test their loyalty and resolve. You know, like typically deep, morally gray and complex character would do.

[@bobrat1594]

based

[@nokkuneinei6592]

biggest ayanokoji problem is from volume 1 it is already said that he is not gray, he is Black character whom can't feel empathy, yet the audience "must" see and act like he is "gray", instead of treating him like Ainz as Villain Protagonist

[@kingsleycy3450]

You saying that you are clever is how I know you are clever.

[@ilikethis3203]

@@nokkuneinei6592 You're mistaken. The black character is Albert.

[@imjustlikedenji5954]

Ayanokohi is just like me

[@morgann2938]

It's so cool when the protagonist is sociopath who emotionally manipulates everyone around him. And that when a girl is doing basically the same thing in the same series, she's the WORST.

[@marcjerry6]

You guys are disregarding the fact that the protagonist had to do what he did for survival. The white room demanded it. Even when he escaped, the teacher blackmailed him into being the same sociopath that he was in the white room so she can ascend to class A. He wants a normal life, thats why he scores average on everything. The girl chose to be this way. She feeds on being worshiped and admired. Shes the worst because nobody is forcing her to be this way. Later on, they do try to be friends with her, but she resists. Now that do not make either of them right or wrong, but to say what you guys said so casually is a disservice to the dynamic between the two, not to mention the novel.

[@marcjerry6]

@@hugofontes5708 Not to be confrontational here, but I don't think judging the protaganist or the media without first knowing anything about it is the best way to form an opinion. As it stands, you only have this video and my words to go on alone. But that aside, The teacher is indeed threatening him because she wants more prestige from climbling to class A. He doesnt care, he just want to experience the normal life that the white room took from him. He resorts to manipulatiom because that was what he learned and that was what allowed him to survive. That dont make him right but thats all he knows. Nobody, at least that I've heard, ever said he was a good guy. They do however, including me, think that his plans are pretty cool. How he is always one step ahead of his opponents. He's not a good guy, just the protagonist we are following. We are allowed to judge him and his actions, all I'm saying is that is unfair to do so without all the facts or context. Edit: also I dont really remember what the teacher is threatening him with. Expulsion or reporting him to his father, not sure tbh.

[@marcjerry6]

@@hugofontes5708 yeah you got it

[@Leonson1]

@@hugofontes5708 Expulsion iirc is what he's being threatened with. Being returned to his father. He finds out later that his teacher has no power over his enrollment and he tells her he's done and she can jog on.

[@marcjerry6]

@@Leonson1 i feel likr the novel does a better job of explaining him then the anime does, the ending of the second season could also have been better

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

Every generation has a anime that seems like the second coming of Christ as a teenager but when you decide to re-watch it as a adult you realize it was kind of cringe.

[@dimitrimcintosh8858]

Definitely this anime This anime is Mediocre at best

[@seblat1086]

What would be the equivalent for your generation?

[@Goldenkitten1]

@@seblat1086 Gundam Wing, without a doubt. Wing became absurdly popular in the West as it aired alongside the first true wave of socially accepted anime. Everyone rushed home to watch DBZ, Sailor Moon among others and maybe if your parents were cool you were allowed to stay up to see an episode of Trigun and Cowboy Bebop along the way. Though America had seen the Gundam series prior to Wing it was Wing that joined this group in millions of kids rushing home to watch it and really propelled the series into the western mindset. Come back two decades later and you realize it's one of the worst Gundams out there with a roughly stitched together story and characters who were the epitome of late 90's-early 00's edge. That whole "you better not get to close to me or I might kill you even though we all know we're winding up together in the end" shtick. The animation is good but how often has Gundam animation ever been bad? And even then it pales in comparison to some of the better entries. There are of course far worse anime than Wing, thousands of them. But as a series that was lauded as what other anime should aim to become you revisit it and realize it was really barely legible trash featuring a group of edgelords with the likability of a brick thrown into a sewer that got by on its good art design and appealing to everything spikey a teenager of that era wanted from Hot Topic.

[@seblat1086]

@@Goldenkitten1 Good, comment, I really apreciate your perspective. Unfortunatly, I don't really have a lot to add, since I only recently started watching anime.

[@denhrnz306]

Bro I'm 17 and even I think it's cringe

[@davidjachimiak]

you pointed something out that I hated about the series. For a school that's about being the "best" and "preparing people for society" there's a serious lack of evidence or unused evidence that wouldn't slide at a remedial school run by corrupt toddlers.

[@queltanis93]

@@DigeeTheGenie +1

[@DaniSenpai]

THANK YOU. I had that thought the first season. The fact they used fake cameras, showcases the school is unsecured.

[@akatsukigajou1639]

David Jachimiak nah there are no toddlers only edgy warlords and the evidence remain in sekret so theres no lack and the students here are better since they are once who hide the evidence.

[@MidgarMerc]

@@DigeeTheGenie if anything the school grooming elites to be as corrupt as possible is extremely accurate

[@akatsukigajou1639]

@@DigeeTheGenie cause the *the 1 piece is real* *cue can we got much higher*

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

Wait, love interest boy is a sociopathic weirdo who deliberately performs mediocrely at things so that people won’t learn his dark secret? That’s just Yoshikage Kira.

[@liammercado1235]

Based on the anime at least, a dollar store version of Yoshikage Kira.

[@bbd121]

Sigh...it all comes back to Jojo.

[@Ramsey276one]

HIDE YO *HANDS*

[@o0ugi860]

@@bbd121 just how the universe works i guess

[@bbd121]

@@o0ugi860 Then, will you too, at the end, become Jojo? As we gaze into the void, will the void also become Jojo? For I have seen the end. I have become Jojo, the Oraoraora of star finger. Quoted from Joan of Arc during the battle for Gettysburg near the pyramids; Art of war.

[@morganqorishchi8181]

"Never before in my life have I felt so thirty" is, in my mom's opinion, Geoff's best line, and she's been using it repeatedly the last few days. Watching these videos with her has given our family so many memes.

[@waffle911]

Damn, you can get your mom into watching this? My mother is all for funny things, but I get the impression she would find Geoff pushes things a bit far.

[@fraglsnitz]

You watch anime with your Mom? Or do you guys just watch trash anime reviews for lols?

[@valhatan3907]

The op left us with questions unanswered

[@realperson69]

22:24 You forget that Kiyotaka can't use the excuse of "tripping while being an anime protagonist" because then he has to admit to being an anime protagonist and thus his white-room dad wins.

[@robbt.2386]

"Using his superpower of being a sociopath" is probably my favorite Mother's Basement Quotable of 2022.

[@Lianpe98]

😆👌

[@tumarmaa2984]

Pin this !!!

[@bluespaceman7937]

It's a good quote.

[@Alonkis251]

Good quote, but when you think about it, what you've to say for Joker and other villeins alike

[@thatoldmess8955]

Ye that part was funny af

[@carbodude5414]

Truly the ultimate chuunibyou experience when being a sociopath is treated as a "superpower"

[@Twadfire]

The other superpowers being surrounded by morons, enablers and impotent/useless/corrupt "authorities" (assuming they arent the real villains.. but then they are evil morons with inexplicably endless budgets as usual)

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Mother's Basement never did a Film-Critique in he Style of "Our Popcorn Dystopia" by KZbinr Some More News, right?

[@TheBluePhoenix008]

It works sometimes, but most of the time it's just annoying

[@majorblitz3846]

I missed back when Chuunibyo are just JRPG intoxicated cringe, not a "four step ahead of you" edgelord

[@otgonbileg.]

uh no one has "superpower" people are just saying he has "superpower" because he is just smart

[@dvillines26]

I also wanted to mention how funny it is seeing everyone treat Ayanokouji as a normal, cool guy, when he has this dead fish affect, and cold, disinterested eyes. He's not even really faking having feelings particularly well! He does the things he needs to do, but anyone who can read more subtle cues IRL would have alarm bells going off for someone like him. Even the other cool calculating schemers in the show have bursts of emotion, or at least passing expressions. It just strains credulity for me that he doesn't twig off at least a few of the more empathic girls.

[@DoNBiChes]

Ye, this novel definitely has lack of some students who genuinely scared of him because of his dead look. There's no way that much girls love him considering all of this

[@thedarklordx]

There's a very brief mention of some of the girls in ayanokoji's class not liking him and finding him creepy or weird later on in the LN.

[@DoNBiChes]

@@thedarklordx I haven't read volume 7 of second year yet, but I guess this one girl is Onodera considering the second sports festival arc

[@thedarklordx]

@@DoNBiChes oh yeah you're right about Onodera, that might be who I was thinking of. There might be another really minor girl mentioned in year 2 too.

[@danielclough9544]

​@@thedarklordx tbh that's established from the get go I thought, and because in the light novel he feels more human, he doesnt seem as suspicious and it comes across that he is just a normal guy who doesnt stand out

[@doubleedgeplayer6681]

It's such a shame that Ayanokoji turned out the way he did in the series when in the light novel you see him learn to appreciate and understand those around him as he questions who he really wants to be

[@lightyagami4560]

Yep that's why he expelled airi to look cool ofc the evil genius

[@someyeeterontheblock2421]

He only started questioning how he sees the main girl by the end of season 2, which should have been done earlier honestly, but at least that means they may make a season. 3. Somehow I don't know what Saudi Arabian oil prince is going to give them the money but..m

[@IIIXXV.M]

but he's still into executing his shady plan read y2 volume 8

[@shivashishwar9552]

@@IIIXXV.M volume 8? The site I read it on only goes up to year 2 volume 4. Mind telling me where you read it?

[@IIIXXV.M]

@@shivashishwar9552 sure, do u have discord? ill send u the link

[@sanfransiscon]

A high school that rewards students with incredible prestige for stepping over their peers in any interaction that could possibly be conceived as a competition is definitely a healthy way for teens to find their identity and place in the world. Just look at how well Hope's Peak Academy turned out!

[@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013]

There are definitely a bunch of people who unironically think things like this unironically. I'm surprised no Objectivist has built this school in California, given the number of other utterly insane types of school actually allowed to exist. 'Schools' that have no curriculum and which just torture the mentally disabled with electric shocks *constantly* with the sole purpose being to inflict pain have won basically every challenge they've ever had in court.

[@mookiestewart3776]

@@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013 a school like this in Cali would get burned to the ground lol

[@woahthisisinteresting4369]

THIS oh my god, what is up with ""elite"" anime schools having some of the most quirky notlikeotherschools systems of education

[@wdcain1]

I have problems with the D3 anime but I like that it showed how despite how all the talent Izuru had, he didn't bother to save people because he wasn't design to care.

[@sanfransiscon]

@@wdcain1 I really appreciate that the danger of reducing a person to their worth in a specific identity or role is a theme the entire series revolves around from beginning to end. It's honestly impressive how casually disgusting the lucky student lottery is if its usual purpose is just to bring in a "control group" student to make the Ultimates look better in comparison.

[@unknownvariable9239]

I can’t even hate on Season 2’s plot since most of it got skipped.

[@venor2612]

LMFAOOO 😭😭😭

[@solarmars7950]

Ep 5 and ep 13 literally just adapted one volume with 300 pages in just 20+ minutes then change some of the dialogue and call it a day like bruhh

[@Siv3001]

Ayo

[@MAX-xd4uz]

facts

[@anonisnoone6125]

@@solarmars7950 Wait so season 2 just changed everything? What was the point of making a s2 then? And based on this, s3 will probably be the same then.

[@marielaberge8236]

Class C's incompetence as villains is really...funny because all the issues you pointed out about how flimsy their schemes are end up being explained away with Ayanokouji's beatdown as: they are utterly no match for Ayanokouji, incapable of outwitting him because they ARE just THAT incompetent. Basically, the plot justified itself through its own poor writing, like a serpent devouring its own tail

[@linkskywalker5417]

As is Kushida's. Seriously, for a character who the story says is observant, she doesn't seem to demonstrate it. You'd think she'd know about Suzune's repulsive personality, use it against her, and convince Ayanokouji that Suzune's a liability, but apparently not.

[@asnekboi7232]

The term is ouroboros

[@philip7922]

I got bored of Class C as villains because there really isn't a mind game. All they ever do is just ... not follow the rules. So if you pay attention for like 5 seconds and listen to the rules you'll realize class C's plan will literally just be to not follow the rules and cheat in the most straightforward way possible. So lame.

[@OribaNS]

For all the COTE fans who like the show, I can’t stress this enough. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO LIKE BAD ANIME. The books are probably great but the anime does have a lot of issues. I am personally willing to overlook them and just enjoy it, while some others are not. As long as it made you smile or get hyped or enjoy yourself, don’t feel bad about watching it. Funny roast and great video as always Geoff

[@ttw-uu4gh]

thank u sir

[@ChupaLmfao]

Literally makes no sense but ok U give an objective opinion while talking about it’s okay to have one… 😂

[@OribaNS]

@@ChupaLmfao AlI said was that you shouldn’t feel bad for liking something even if it’s objectively not great. What’s so confusing about that?

[@ChupaLmfao]

@@OribaNS cuz something like this isn’t objective There are dick riders of this anime and criticizers of it. So there is no objective opinion on *this*

[@RGC_animation]

Sometimes, you just want to see Ayanokoji solve every problem immediately and reveal to everyone his masterplan of "using an intended feature in a not-too-obvious way" and every girl falling for him even tho he makes fewer expressions than Frisk from Undertale.

[@sandrosliske]

Classroom of the Elite was a pivotal moment in my anime watching life. It was the very first show I realised that it was alright to drop an anime even if you've already sunk about 10 episodes into it. If it's not doing it for you and feels like a chore to even watch the next episode then it is perfectly fine to just stop. You don't need to finish everything, your time is precious and you don't have to force yourself to like what you are watching. So for that thank you Classroom of the Elite.

[@angeluriel2725]

This was me with Future Diary, before that I forced myself to finish every single anime I started (I accidentally started Another but I'm terrrified even by bad horror and I still finished it), and now I just drop anime left and right lol somehow I still stuck through Classroom of the Elite tho

[@MrGksarathy]

This was me with the original Evangelion. I just couldn't finish past Episode 17. Does that make me uncultured? Dunno.

[@EnterNameToNoAvail]

Yep, there’s nothing wrong with dropping a show you’re tired of. I myself dropped iron blooded orphans when I had 2 or 3 episodes left in the series since the plot armor the antagonists had was fucking stupid. Drop that shit like it’s hot; it’s a valuable skill to have.

[@SpineShank7]

@@MrGksarathy No it doesn't. Watching that show was a chore, even if the mech designs were awesome.

[@denjidenji9162]

@@MrGksarathy Personally i liked it, but not liking it does not make you uncultured. It's your opinion, and trying to finish something you know you don't enjoy just to "be cultured" or "have good taste" is not a good idea. If anyone tries to tell you otherwise, their opinion isn't worth listening to.

[@66Roses]

"Never in my life have I felt this 30." After turning 30, a lot of things make you feel that way.

[@SWProductions100]

Me: 'Gladiator' is newish film, right? It was released in the year...oh...

[@alyssinwilliams4570]

Just wait till ya hit 45

[@sparklesparklesparkle6318]

@@alyssinwilliams4570 Pfft just wait til you reverse to 38.

[@alyssinwilliams4570]

@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 I would do.. things.. to make this happen

[@sparklesparklesparkle6318]

@@alyssinwilliams4570 gimme yo credit card i got you fam

[@Sakaki98]

The anime’s greatest accomplishment is driving me to bond over how shitty it is with people who then convinced me to make my way over to the NOT offensively bad novels. Funnily enough, revisiting the anime adaptation with knowledge of the source material makes it so much more frustrating that it sucks because most of the bad things about it would be easily avoided by just being faithful. And thus I join the people that convince miffed anime watchers to read the novels, and the cycle continues.

[@swampyclaw9119]

Fr

[@swampyclaw9119]

The anime alone is pretty decent but when you compare it to the source it’s unwatchable.

[@nutritionandphysiology8023]

Conspiracy theory: Bad anime are a subtle plot to make you read the manga for the superior writing.

[@carolbaker2773]

Really the anime needed to have his internal dialog spoken or at least have seens sprinkled in that shows him setting up the plans. But honestly I think one thing that isnt given enought credit by MB is that the plans are bad because they are like 15/16 years old. Does anyone remember their plans to sneak out of the house at that age? Guess what, your parents knew you were doing it. Hell when my little brother who is 5 years younger than me snuck out of the house my mom called me laughing cause the fool left with his phone so my mom could track him. The school allows it because it doesnt want to interfere with the students growth and lets them settle things between themselves. The schools wants them to be creative with problem solving that doesnt involve going directly to the teachers. Only later does it become unfair to the students when plot points happen and protag has to start trying.

[@TheJL555]

While the novel is probably good, the entire setting is just too funny and too convoluted for me to take it seriously. COTE Oversimplified is: 480 cringelords are stuck together in one school where they pretend it's some sort of a survival battle when they can pretty much live a normal life outside it.

[@lohthe1onethegreattchoute210]

One of my biggest complaints of this anime is the fact that the mc essentially has a black hole where his personality should be despite the fact that he is very entertaining and "tries" to be sociable in the LN. The anime made his whole personality being a sociopath, meanwhile he was somewhat trying to combat those tendencies in the original work, wich made it soooo much more interesting than the bland, stoic plank of wood we got in the adaptation.

[@tazreenrahman3587]

I thought the main character was dead on the inside and hates his life.

[@ChristianNeihart]

I am a simple man. I see a roast, I watch the roast.

[@johnynoway9127]

how fat are you?

[@cydoyk]

I am a simple man. I see a roast, I watch the roast and then I see a comment about the roast, while commenting that I see a reply about the roast.

[@thevioletbee5879]

I am a simple woman. This chain is already too complicated for my tiny brain to contribute.

[@cam4636]

I'm a complicated sentient slime mold running FireFox on a decomposing log in the forest. What's school? Who decides eliteness? Why are we here? What's the meaning of life?

[@robbieaulia6462]

I'm a a rocket powered motorcycle with highly advance pattern recognition AI. This chain is getting weirder and I see no hints to suggest as to why the pattern suddenly changes from simplicity to small brain to philosophy in an instant.

[@Alice-oi3ew]

Omg the "this text is a filler" that showed up first thing just immediately caught me off guard, that's amazing

[@ExarchNZ]

I stared at it for a good 10 seconds and was like, why does the Japanese and English text not match. Did MB forget to change the stock text? But the quote's attribution is correct in both. It was a good moment of WTF am I missing. Oh wait its a joke. lol

[@Ellisepha]

For some reason I couldn't decifer what the hell "tekisuto" was supposed to mean lol

[@ExarchNZ]

@@Ellisepha I had to say it aloud to get that one.

[@joshpineau405]

"Technically an adult signing out from my own basement." mans went through more character development than anyone in this show.

[@Scryllix]

It's a shame because the light novel really does solve pretty much all the issues of the anime.

[@nigellanjuat3294]

Oh it's coping skills

[@shivangaur9084]

I gotta say he’s pretty much on the mark. Almost all the issues with the anime are explained or solved in the LN since it had way more room for details and scenes that got cut

[@ttw-uu4gh]

@xikarra no really. im going to quote one comment here as example to the shit the anime did to the LN ''Because the outsourced studio literally didn't have any damn budget to animate scenes properly. In the LN Class C didn't blatantly punch and kick Suduo, just some minor bumps and crashes, which worked on Sudou in a physiological way than physical. Not only these but they used some other little dirty tricks like Ryuuen using hair gel in that "get the flag from your opponents head riding a man made horse" (I don't remember the name). That made it impossible for class D and A to get the last "flag" since it was slippy. For Horikita's part, the class C girl was calling her name, which made Horikita look at her direction few times, before the accident happened. The hot teacher video-checked, and pointed out that it seems like Horikita intentionally bumped to her; Results being that Horikita was forced to go to the hospital. But of course anime didn't have the time even for that and Horikita followed Kushida like an idiot.

[@AK-lv2xp]

@xikarra no his character is more normal in ln he is made a edgy teen in anime

[@fireball3366]

This anime is S tier for me. I literally have zero problems. Every issue this KZbin said could be applied to every anime tbh. Naruto- Annoying typical kid has some INSANE power that let's him win every fight and he has a love intrest who doesn't love him back but instead he ends up with the second love intrest who has watched him for years

[@GriffinPilgrim]

All these mini-Machiavellis in high school anime puzzle me. Most of the people I went to school with wouldn't have bothered with a scheme more intricate than calling each other gay in a loud voice.

[@iusethisnameformygoogleacc1013]

Well, yes, but that's why they're typically schools for the exceptional. Most people in highschool are roughly as smart as a bar of soap and half as motivated. Some of that comes down to teenagers being their own unique kind of stupid, some of it is just that it's what most people are like in real life but most things you can do outside of the public school system filter things to end up with more interesting and/or more capable people, for any definition of interesting or capable. Some jobs filter for a certain kind of smart, some filter for people who are likely to have interesting drug hookups, and some involve a type of shared interest that colours your interactions so they don't seem more boring than bottled water. But they typically don't make for particularly interesting narratives unless they go on to murder someone. Which is why no one writes books, movies, or tv shows about them.

[@Axterix13]

It is just the standard YA escapist drivel, except now it is, "You're secretly super smart, and all those guys that are like the people that make your life worse are dumb" rather than "You're crazy overpowered in another world and here's your complementary harem", "In this dystopian society, the kids know better than the adults and all of the future hangs on them, and here's your love triangle", or "You may be an insignificant farmboy, but you are the chosen one and not that guy over there that was actually trained to handle all the situations you're about to find yourself in. Also, have a princess and an old guy mentor, but don't get too attached, because he's definitely not making it to the end of the story."

[@joyc.e.7511]

Exactly. High schoolers are dumb as hell. Even the smart ones. Especially the smart ones, actually.

[@SinHurr]

Glory to me, the 69th like.

[@gleipnirrr]

that's what you get when adults write teens

[@thebrokenforgottenandlost4273]

22:20 It’s also practically impossible to get a fingerprint off of fabric

[@Cecil97]

Yes and Ayanokoji knows that

[@Cecil97]

@Monkey D. Luffy he never plotted to get rid of the shirt. when he was ousting Kushida he straight up didn't care when she tried to pull that card on him.

[@tamaraarcher855]

Okay I'm glad someone commented I had to watch that part twice. I thought maybe I had misheard and her plan was that there would be DNA. Granted touch DNA transfers and there would be other plausible explanations but it makes more sense than getting a handprint off of fabric.

[@adrit5847]

That's not really the point is it? It could have just been a bluff to make sure he doesn't say anything, threat made on the spot since i doubt that 15 year old would just be able to think rationally there

[@Cecil97]

@@adrit5847 yeah and he got more info and mistakes out of her since she thought she had the advantage.

[@binbix1]

I think the thing that annoyed me the most about this anime isn’t that the schemes and plans are riddled with plot holes but that I didn’t even notice those plot holes until you pointed them out. I was just going through thinking I might have missed something important whenever something they did didn’t make sense. Man I feel like an idiot

[@Ishigami_kyo]

It's because they skip important details from the original source material.

[@nyschoxuan5241]

As a Light novel reader of the series, it was sad to see how badly they butchered the anime, a lot of source material was cut and a whole novel was cut, the anime is fine as a stand alone series but compared to the LN, its like apples and oranges. Though I hope the anime brings more people to read the Novels

[@RGC_animation]

It's more like Green Apples and Red Apples, they're both apples so you can compare them, they both still taste like apples, so similar, but one is clearly better than the other.

[@newleafoverit]

@@RGC_animation ikts more like a red apple and a spoiled apple. clearly one is trash and the other is good

[@hiro_444]

Does the light novel solve any of the issues that are mentioned in the video? If yes, which ones?

[@Plz23]

@@hiro_444 it solves almost all of them just by being more drawn out and better explained. I would recommend to experience it on ur own.

[@jacobnorris8256]

They didn't really butcher the anime that badly... They definitely fucked up some parts but people really exaggerate how much better the LNs are.

[@dagingerbreadman70]

19:55 This killed me 😂 “Boss’ orders” such an awful character. Black representation is always just bald bodybuilding thugs lol. I’d be more offended if it wasn’t so hilariously poorly written. I genuinely laughed at his lines despite myself haha

[@MidgarMerc]

Yeah definitely no racist undertones there. About as subtle as your typical interracial NTR doujin

[@UniversalPvp]

Albert is preety loved in the community more then Kushida atleast.

[@razumikhim]

well, do you want representation or not?

[@cofeejamm]

@@razumikhim it's not representation if it doesn't actually represent real normal humans

[@riynu7774]

@@razumikhim well, it depends if you represent them well or not so do better.

[@birdonerd7194]

23:30 "their willful ignorance starts verging into 'Ace Attorney Judge' territory" UGH! I felt that in my damn bones.

[@grimmreaper5349]

[Ace Attorney Whip sound effect]

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G O_o

[@sarafontanini7051]

at least it works for the Judge because he's SuPPOSED to be an idiot and a bit cowardly, and yet can have some backbone or wit hidden under that empty head of his. What's THEIR excuse?

[@lillion9134]

As a female 26yr old I feel like I may not be the target audience for this show, or at least the main demographic it appeals to, but I actually really enjoy it for reasons that I haven't actually seen anyone saying. The protagonist doesn't really interest me, what interests me is the effect he has on other people. Out of the other characters I feel like Kei might be the one I identify with most, or at least did as a teenager. Throughout season 2 and primarily the last few episodes it was genuinely chilling to see how she was manipulated by someone using her trauma against her. Someone who wasn't even pretending to be a nice guy, who fed her tiny crumbs of compassion. How in her state she placed such a huge value on those and how she thinks that she's had a breakthrough when she's actually falling into an abusive relationship in a way that I have seen people with awful self-esteem do irl far too many times. How Kiyotaka's edgy boy I feel no empathy monologues are juxtaposed with the emotions the swelling music and wholesome visuals (the Christmas date scenes in particular) tease from the viewer as we are pre-conditioned to associate them with boy-meets-girl romances, creating a truly uncomfortable viewing experience. Granted I haven't read the LNs and seem to have a different perception of events to most other people I've seen in the comments sections, so I do feel like I might be experiencing a different story to what's actually being told. Nonetheless I'm enjoying the psychological distress of wanting to shout through the screen at Kei telling her to get away from him whilst she is already justifying his behaviour to her.

[@skyking4557]

Atleast,Ayanokouji tried his best to make her as prioritas because he want to learn more about human emotion from her

[@Malvium]

@@skyking4557 Still doesn't justify the fact that he manipulated a emotionally scarred teenage by using her past trauma against her.

[@offof]

To me, the best anime are the ones that make you rethink life and every decision you’ve made. This made me think if there were any Ayanokojis in my life, and whatever effect they may have had on me. At times, I was genuinely disgusted about what I saw. Such horrible feelings can only be earned, not forced.

[@DBZHGWgamer]

@@Malvium You're right that it doesn't justify it. The point is that Ayanokoiji is a terrible person and he hates himself and his father for making him that kind of person. Ultimately it's a balance of how he's manipulative and values people only for what they can do to help him, but he also happens to be in a situation where the best course of action he sees is creating situations so that the people around him can overcome themselves and grow as people in order to be more useful to him. Even Karuizawa ends up a stronger person because of the terrible things he has done. And this is what makes me keep reading the books, it's very interesting the way the author balances this act of a bad person who does manipulative things that have a very positive effect on the people around him purely for his own benefit. And he himself being acutely aware of how bad the things he is doing are and hating himself for it, but he has to do it anyway both because it's the only way he knows how to live and also because he's in a situation where he is forced to act that way in order to have just a taste of a normal life before being dragged back under the control of his father.

[@RayGainbows]

Lost it at "fake ass bitches" 🤣😂 Kikyo adds spice to the whole anime 😅

[@eclipse1161]

This anime gets a lot of praise for being a powerpoint presentation.

[@davantiowo6519]

Damn bro 😂

[@senkuishigami2485]

What?

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@Oneforus21111]

LOL

[@petrsevcik5044]

You probably didn't see any realy good powerpoint presentations if you thing they don't deserve praise.

[@Pikachugecko]

I can't unsee Ayanokoji as basically edgy Italy from Hetalia.

[@demongoose666]

OH NO

[@denjidenji9162]

Holy shit, i never thought of it, but now that you mentioned it I will never unsee it nooooo

[@lordarthur2165]

STOP NOW I CAN'T UNSEE THIS NOOOOO

[@msaag5490]

Isn't Hetalia that one show from 2010? Good God, that's 12 years ago.

[@denjidenji9162]

@@msaag5490 indeed. It also has a manga and several seasons. The most recent season came out last year, actually!

[@fredrickum5474]

This is like the perfect blend of anime that I hate, the type that you couldn't pay me to watch - A high school setting with characters that act like no teenager that has ever existed (Check) - Student led organizations that act like crime families, where being part of that group or class is their entire identity (Check) - An edgy cool guy protagonist that is apparently the smartest guy ever, but also doesn't care about anything because he's so cool (Check) - Mind games that take 10 minutes to explain because telling and not showing is way easier than coming up with clever solutions to problems (Check) - A large cast that is stretched so thin that we never get to see characters interact or form real bonds with each other since any screen time they have will exist solely to move the plot forward (Check) - A harem of girls that somehow all look 11 & 30 at the same time, all with stupid hair colors (Check) - A plot that doesn't demand such a serious tone, yet the characters will take the whole thing deadly seriously 100% of the time until there's a "funny" fanservice moment, which will be the only humor in the show (Check) - Top it off with an anime art style that somehow looks generic and ugly at the same time, with a candy colored palette that makes my eyes bleed (Check) ugh.

[@mudita4449]

Omg you literally took words out of my mouth 👁👄👁

[@lightyagami4560]

Ahem ahem this is cringe I know but sir you dropped this. 👑. Ayankoji and cote cult in nutshell

[@si-level]

1. this is kinda subjective, you cannot prove that no teenager act like in the anime 2. well it is what makes anime with school genre interesting 3. this is not true, he care about his freedom and lot of stuff, but in anime the show only show he care about his freedom and living as normal kid 4. i'm pretty sure the protagonist and the anime show and tell the solution to problem, regarding it is clever or not its just bac to subjectivity 5. that just storywriting 101. wtf is real bond anyway. i think that problem will get slightly fixed the more you read/watch this series 6. problem with design choice. the design supposed to make you distinguish each character. with the way school has uniform to obey. it seems like you will hate every school anime then 7. the only humor in the show ? the fanservice is not even funny. at this point you didn't even try 8. this is sound like your only problem. also this is like the same as 6

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

@@si-level Identifying a problem as common to a genre doesn't stop it being bad, it just escalates the problem.

[@si-level]

@@UnreasonableOpinions yeah sure ofc whatever you said, it means you will hate 98% of the media to offer.

[@In-The-Zone]

I can't believe Jeff went out of his way to not say "Imposter", saying "Alien" instead, now thats SUS.

[@timothymclean]

It's possible that he's even more out of touch with the under-30's than he realized.

[@VAWM.]

After watching this entire video, I can't help but feel... that Geoff is going to read the light novels. No one denies something that fervently without secretly planning to do it. XD

[@rafal5863]

The lady doth protest too much.

[@Nyaajita]

I honestly believe him but I’d love to see his thoughts on it, especially considering how well-regarded it is compared to its… lesser counterpart…

[@nigellanjuat3294]

Yeah that's a nightmares

[@darkvoid221]

@@Nyaajita I'm reading the light novel right now and honestly really enjoy it. Does the anime not do it justice?

[@Nyaajita]

@@darkvoid221 if you’ve watched the anime and read the LN, yeah, the anime doesn’t do it justice. It’s held in very high regard in comparison. You’ll hear that the anime is a horrible adaptation from just about most LN readers.

[@sousukesagara193]

The worst thing about Classroom of the elite is the edgy kids that keep spamming the word "tool" without trying to understand the MC's motives and personality and of course everyone sees himself as the MC, a genius but hiding his true talents (only without the genius part)

[@Lianpe98]

*T O O L*

[@angelovargas938]

I don't even think you can blame them, tbh. Most of what makes Koji so unique and complex in the novels just got straight up cut. His anime version really does seem to be just edgy and devoid of personality, when he's actually one of my favourite characters in the novels. It's a real shame what a piss poor adaptation they did

[@HellOzzzGaming]

Its a meme among the fanbase, u dont need to take it so srsly.

[@cameron82489]

@@angelovargas938 it kinda goes both ways when adapting COTE into an anime. on one hand, the anime adapts his exterior appearance and personality. on the other hand, I don't really see how the anime can adapt his self-perception. COTE just works better as a standalone light novel.

[@monstergelo1072]

just like me frfr

[@Kick0a0cat]

I feel the need to point out that I once won as an imposter in among us in an extremely stupid way: Someone saw me venting and I simply stated "sometimes you gotta let your friends vent" and somehow that worked :D

[@kylecyrus9457]

I actually rather liked Kushida's backstory. There was no sad revelations or attempts to get you to sympathize with her (which is a rare commodity nowadays), it just showed how dangerous and kinda unhinged she is. It even works as a good explanation for why she's such a crap villain. She tore her class apart a year ago, it makes sense she thinks she's the goat, but it's evident by how she couldn't get attention any other way than being a pleasant doormat that she's not actually that skilled at most things. This isn't to say I disagree with your take on this show, or even that scene as a whole (her telling them was pretty contrived), just sharing something I liked about the show.

[@Dell-ol6hb]

I thought that being the whole big deal she was trying to keep secret was dumb as hell, it made no sense that she managed to "tear" apart the class whatever the hell that even means, she's not dangerous at all

[@kylecyrus9457]

@@Dell-ol6hb really? In respect to her hiding it, do note that her goal is simply to be loved and trusted by the class, her tearing the class apart is just a threat and not her goal. Just being known as someone who can't keep a secret would hamper her goal, much less the knowledge that she showed genuine malice. As for her being dangerous, as far as I know even the closest people tend to have things about each other they don't like. People learn what to not say to keep a friendship as they grow up, but humans are social, and all it takes is someone being absent for a day for their friends to shit talk them a little. Kushida collects all this info, she weaves herself seamlessly into every group while seeming innocent, and if she airs that all out people will naturally feel betrayed by those close to them and turn on each other. Kushida is dangerous not because of intelligence or strength, but because of how well she can hide her malice, and her lack of attachment to thise she spends time with. The ultimate ability of a spy is not the ability to get out of sticky situations, but rather the ability to make no one even think they're a spy in the first place. Well, that's how I saw it anyway. She's overestimating herself though, the moment she was outed she already lost this confrontation.

[@Bandera51]

It was straight up goofy 😂

[@Its_SD]

I like how anime is a psychological thriller Then it skips every psychological details from the LN I hope people wouldn't judge the LN based of the anime

[@WickedKnightAlbel]

I'm doing exactly that because no good story can possibly come of something so fundamentally godawful that it would produce this

[@Its_SD]

@@WickedKnightAlbel judging the LN you mean? If show then I would say the very fundamental of the story has been changed in the anime The character writing, depth, detailing, development, mind games, strategies, philosophy, character dynamic, tone, complexity, character psychology, set up, impact, steaks, intensity etc are heavily changed to fit aa simple pop corn power fantasy vibe MC ayanokoji is a perfect example as if you start reading you will notice intently that how anime and LN ayanokoji are completely different

[@philo2189]

It's cool I'm not reading it

[@ttw-uu4gh]

@@WickedKnightAlbel basically every single issue adressed in this video is fixed in the LN, so there's that.

[@lightyagami4560]

@@ttw-uu4gh Nothing is fixed in LN 😑. I already know what coming, the uncomfortable d8ck size competition.. the whole volume is based on single exam I can't wait for anime to adapt the Same thing yet LN reader will complain

[@Niffoni]

I watched exactly one episode of S1, took a screengrab of a blonde guy saying "I have no interest in contributing to society" for meme purposes, immediately forgot the context, and I still felt like I got way more out of the show than most people did. When I heard they were making more, my thoughts were in order: 1) "Oh." 2) "Huh..." and 3) "Why?" EDIT: Hey, so I just saw that Peter Grill got a sequel, so I just want to apologize to Classroom of the Elite, and retract this comment.

[@Lianpe98]

😂

[@MV96_]

The blond guy must be a LOLbertarian, then

[@Ben-vg6ox]

They make more seasons of anime to sell source material most of the time, COTE is quite beloved in the light novel front

[@TheSkaOreo]

Oh god I was rolling my eyes so hard when edge lord MC basically went “we live in a society”.

[@philo2189]

@@MV96_ Republicans don't exactly contribute to society either

[@aeso3555]

Ayaknokoji is the type of character I would write during my edge 13 year old phase while trying to emulate Light Yagami and then look back on it as an adult and cringe at what I created. Also cracks me up that he's voiced by Justin Briner in the EN dub, the same guy who voiced Izuku Midoriya in the MHA dub and those two couldn't be any more different.

[@aeso3555]

@@ricochetbabalon257 I still remember the edgy oc my cousin created as a kid : Ricky the ultimate Beyblader 😁

[@samlewis6487]

I mean. Deku is also a selfish narcissist, but that author just hasn't realized it.

[@ConstantinDOSSOU-vy1zo]

​@@samlewis6487how Deku is a selfish narcissist ?

[@cootie911sm]

"He just like me" LMAOOOO

[@camelloy]

I watched half way through season 1, when that one girl turned out to be evil I was like “oh there’s hidden depth here! Can’t wait to see where this goes.” Then they had the water park episode and it completely lost me.

[@jgih32]

@Hidetaka Miyazaki No it is canon, i think everything in the anime and Ln are canon

[@sarafontanini7051]

Just Just make fucking Junko Enoshima If you wanna have a sociopathic intelligent female villain, just look at HER. JUnko's FUN.

[@omnipayne861]

@Hidetaka Miyazaki it is canon, it’s just pretty much a side chapter in a much later volume.

[@DrGandW]

I read the LN mid-season 2 and felt retroactively betrayed that they heavily edited one chapter of a side book that came after the events of season 1 and made it into a full episode just so they could have a pool episode. The LN is straight up a different experience.

[@omnipayne861]

@@sarafontanini7051 junko wouldn’t fit in with the story, she doesn’t even fit with her own story.

[@danbradford7127]

The anime's appeal is "Oh look, this 'bad guy' had a scheme that the MC saw through. LOOK HOW INTELLIGENT THE MC IS!" And young teenagers are like "WOAH! HE'S SO SMART!"

[@dimitrimcintosh8858]

It's sad

[@ICanHazRecon911]

I checked out this anime because my homies were hyping it up and when i finished and called it "the most mid, 'i'm 14 and this is deep' hunger games generic faction based bullshit" they seemed upset... but at least it was a good way to confirm they had shit taste quickly lol... and my homies are in their 20's

[@Loppoz56]

@@ICanHazRecon911 lol

[@triggerfairy4070]

Discount Kiaba then?

[@arshyarshy4414]

no lol the light novel is extremely different

[@scooterliar8830]

Just read the LN. I initially watched the anime and I thought it was pretty mid. I didn’t really feel like I will enjoy reading light novels(in general) so I didn’t give it a try. But when I did it was amazing. There’s a reason why it’s one of the highest LN on MAL. Keep in mind that I know not everyone would love it, but I highly recommend it.

[@hujimix]

Being highly rated on a site that has been proven over and over being vote manipulated by bots means absolutely squat.

[@swordyshield]

@@hujimix that has no impact, the highest rated things are usually not botted votes

[@LauraLovesHugs]

@@swordyshield not true at all lol, most infamously any time anything approaches FMAB it gets immediately swarmed by vote manipulators rating the shows a 0 in order to keep FMAB on top. there's a really big amount of people willing to manipulate scores on MAL for some reason.

[@swordyshield]

@@LauraLovesHugs then those votes get removed since (at least mal) removes bot votes..

[@LauraLovesHugs]

@@swordyshield i mean they're not, they permanently affect the scores of those other shows, it's not all bots either, they're just mass rating the shows with 0s and 1s to make the score drop without even watching it

[@strawberryninja9859]

Also for a born genius turned genius Ayanokoji really thought that scoring half in everything was a good idea.

[@strawberryninja9859]

@Hidetaka Miyazaki Ow ok didn't know that

[@strawberryninja9859]

@Hidetaka Miyazaki That makes a lot of sense now, how in the LN it was Chasibara or whatever her name was, was the one who informed Horikita, not the student council president

[@lightyagami4560]

@@strawberryninja9859 I thought he didn't wanted to get attention? He is lying ayankoji scoring 50 in everything is to make him look cool without thinking if it's even a good idea.. I still remember during ayankoji vs arisu they both tried their best to hide ayankoji 🙄so obviously he doesn't want attention

[@couldntcareless7884]

@@lightyagami4560 he needed it to get into the school. Since the places at school are predetermined, he needed to stand out, and he did so by getting exactly 50% in a very specific way (answering hard questions and missing easy ones)

[@lightyagami4560]

@@couldntcareless7884 So did he wanted to get attention or not ? I thought he wanted to live normal life.. 🤦

[@prod.a.b.i.l1930]

"She's just Mami Nanami without the charisma" couldn't have said it better myself

[@cadethumann8605]

I just realized that one of those despicable characters has her last name identical to the first name of Kamisama Kiss' MC, Nanami Momozono. Quite ironic how the latter is the complete opposite (a generally nice person with occasional moments of anger or spunk) to the former (a toxic and smug POS who pretends to be nice). Admittedly, a bizarre excuse for a comment of mine, but whatever.

[@SeanR794]

That opening quote summed it up pretty well honestly 😂

[@Cecil97]

16:15 basically highlights my problems with the anime, just so much subtle information was cut out.

[@moemuxhagi]

Even though the japanese text litterally says "this text is filler" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Fallenangel_85]

One shouldn't forget that Eminence in the Shadow was also very popular, so this type of main protagonist really hits teens hard. (and people who refuse to growth out of being teens)

[@samlewis6487]

The difference is that Eminence in Shadow is actually good

[@Fallenangel_85]

@@samlewis6487 It's good, but it also has it's flaws. The MC drives me insane sometimes.

[@bloomhug]

I watched Classroom of the Elite a few years ago and liked it. I thought the reveal of the sociopathic nature was shocking, as I thought this was the "no emotion, minimal effort protag" like in Hyoka. However, I just re-watched it and I noticed one particular scene that really ticked me off. After Sakura almost got r*ped, she shows no sign of trauma, despite being clearly uncomfortable around thar same guy just an episode earlier. I liked when she stood up for herself, but there was no sign of trauma after that moment. It would make sense in the light novel, where our POV character sees no trauma signs, as he only thinks of humans as tools. But in the anime, at least show us the audience that bit of humanization. I'm going to be reading the light novels from now on Edit: I started reading the light novels and it is so much better! I've genuinely laughed out loud at several moments and I'm only in the 3rd chapter. (Not even the full first episode). I love it because Ayanokouji presents himself to the reader as that typical anime protagonist who just wants to make the most out of his high school life and make friends. He has some pretty funny inner dialog too. However, he talks about how he craves freedom and that he specifically chose the school because you can't contact the outside world. There are hints of something darker but not enough to throw the reader off. The anime gave him none of his personality that he portrays in the book, mainly because Ayanokouji can manipulate what is being presented to the reader, we can't see that in the anime

[@nahsiongoetre6874]

Not tryna be that Guy but yeah The Light Novel slaps

[@bloomhug]

@@nahsiongoetre6874 I have the first volume but haven't gotten around to reading it yet

[@StickWithTrigger]

I laughed so hard when I clicked a video called how to be a sigma like Ayanokoji thinking its a meme except it wasn't a meme it was a full on serious video and half the comments were like "please don't do this youll end up with no friends" and the other half saying "His such a sigma I want to be like him"

[@simranverma7078]

There are videos like how to be like ayanokouji etc

[@suprith5443]

😂😂

[@tiya6135]

People wanting to be ‘sigma males’ like him remind me of tweens in their emo phase wanting to be the ‘badass different’ person

[@reflex9238]

A lot of the advice is pretty BS heck I remember one that advised being psychopathic. There was only one decent one I found, and it was as simple as just eat healthy and study, which might be needed if so many people forget something so basic.

[@matalinoe4059]

13:06 His motivation is like that in the light novel, more specifically though it's to prove to his father that there is something to learn by forming "actual" relationships.

[@pasindudinusha6507]

Doesn't that make his line about other people being pawns in his plans meaningless?

[@swordyshield]

@@pasindudinusha6507 yes that's the point. That's his "white room" persona which is meant to defend himself which is what views people as pawns, he does not actually think like that in average day to day life unless he is threatened.

[@lightyagami4560]

@@swordyshield That why he saved kusida and expelled airi after that the conversation with teacher ayankoji is called monster 😂🤦‍♂️ to make him look cool and evil genius.. mind it, It happens in Volume volume 16

[@ovengatland4225]

I was worried this would be a video about the light novels being horrible, not the anime. Glad this was not the case. After reading the novels, I can say that they were okay and in some parts great (I can’t say the same for the anime adaptation). Cutting Ayanokojis inner dialogue in the anime made his actions seem random as we never understood why he was doing things or how he knew what was going on.

[@Minihood31770]

I remember falling off around the boobie grab blackmail. I remember being both bored and confused. Glad to hear I didn't miss anything.

[@joyc.e.7511]

I remember liking season 1 when I first watched it, but being puzzled because she could just SAY he assaulted her.

[@wdcain1]

I was willing to give that a pass since in Japan, getting accused of a crime is akin to being found guilty. An accusation even without evidence really can wreck your life over there.

[@arshyarshy4414]

give the light novel a shot, it’s 100 times better

[@Zlyde007]

@@arshyarshy4414 nah, if the author was soulless enough to sell the rights for this kind of adaptation, they don't deserve support. clearly, they don't respect their own work.

[@quangamng]

@@Zlyde007 I mean ,what if this is a another case of Tokyo Ghoul/Berserk bad adaptation ?Sorry if I being wrong because I don't know much about light novel adaptation nor light novel in general

[@jamesdistefano4986]

Allow me to explain as a standard fan of the series. I imagine my story is a common one. I watched season one and was somewhat intrigued, but saw everyone complaining about how they butchered the source material. I then read the light novels and holy shit were they amazing. I at this point only watch the anime out of curiosity and to see my favorite moments animated/voiced no matter how butchered

[@asmokingp3005]

you got admit that fight scene at the end was not bad

[@someguyy194_2]

The same thing for me, It’s disappointing that the anime put off people from reading the light novel like Mother’s Basement when it’s so good

[@rearedlogarithm]

Watching this review makes me want to watch Angel Beats again.

[@leviadams8777]

The kirito rick joke was worth the entire video. Very well done, Geoff. Keep up the great work!

[@iamliterallyderanged5461]

I was literally waiting for the opening to be a gag where you go "Wait, sorry, wrong script. That was Baka and Test" and was thoroughly SHOCKED when that was not the case. I was waiting for the punchline right up until you actually mentioned Baka and Test

[@iamliterallyderanged5461]

Rewatching older videos as background noise while I'm cleaning house right now, and I stopped at 3:55 and literally said out out loud to myself "Wait, this is Baka and Test" went to the comment section to see if anyone agreed, and then immediately saw my own one year old comment. So. I suppose I still think the same exact way. And this set-up is still Baka and Test.

[@temporalwolf7054]

Okay, I can't lie. Danganronpa has poisoned my brain. The whole school setup is just Hope's Peak, without the same execution. Literally *and* figuratively.

[@twofinepfysche2002]

I read the light novels after the first season because I enjoyed it alright and wanted to see where the story went. I remember reading a lot of them, well beyond what was officially translated, and tearing through them quickly. Five years later I don't remember much of what the light novels had, I like to imagine a lot of it was good, I like to imagine I have good taste. But now the only scene I remember from the light novels is one where all the guys have a dick measuring contest and Ayanokoji had the biggest.

[@Marcusjnmc]

to be fair , that's one of the funnier scenes , sometimes simple humor is best

[@lightyagami4560]

@@Marcusjnmc And that episode will get a lot of hate without a doubt since it's so uncomfortable ep,. Also that whole volume was based on boring exam I don't know what they were doing.. after the anime is adapted I know people will complain how bad it is when it's literally the same..

[@flowflower2816]

.... really?

[@jacobnorris8256]

I don't care what anyone says the CotE bath dick size competition chapter is objectively the best thing to have happened to fiction.

[@skyking4557]

Oh yeah,that is the worst volume on year one.

[@KaiAfterKai]

This is probably my favourite junk food anime to watch. The 1000 IQ plans, the fake deep philosophy, how seriously it takes itself despite how trashy it is, Ryuen's inexplicable Big Black Bodyguard - it's fucking peak comedy What's even more fun is that the glimpses of genuinely good character writing sometimes fool me into thinking I might actually unironically be liking this show, but then Albert shows up onscreen or there's another stupid ass shot or Kushida does another dumb thing she really doesn't need to, and all I can do is sit back, grab the popcorn and laugh.

[@Venjamin]

That very gentle "Seriously. Enjoy it." At the end made me feel some weird contentment for my own childhood anime obsessions, so thanks.

[@fable2830]

Holy shit I clicked so fast I don't expect him to say anything good about the anime we Cote fanboys already know how bad the anime is compared to the novels I just wanna see him roast the shit out of the anime for the shits and giggles. Edit: I'd love to see him read the novels and compare it to the anime, would really like to see how much his opinion would possibly change.

[@zayanfoyez9465]

no literally i was so hyped to see this notification edit: i'm not a cote fan i genuinely hate this show

[@grigorigahan]

Is it though? I hear this a lot with trainwreck anime. I watched a couple episodes of the first season with my wife a couple days back and that was all it took for me to stop. Its not a troll question -- legitimately curious. It just seemed generic in every sense -- which is fine, but it doesn't even execute well on playing safe.

[@fable2830]

@@grigorigahan yes it is it's very true especially with Cote the anime and novels are almost different stories at times there is so much more nuanced writing that goes into the light novels it's insane all of that is lost in the anime it's not rare for light novels to have really bad adaptions this is just a very extreme case especially when you look into it and understand just how bad it is.

[@spacepouge]

@@grigorigahan theres a reason why cote is ranked within top 20 manga/ln on mal

[@gamecrab1015]

@@grigorigahan while it does seem like a task, honestly do read the light novel, it’s really good. You can try and pick up from start of season 2 or wherever you left off, but you can instantly tell the difference and you’ll be more engaged because it makes the mc so much more human and relatable in a way.

[@fiorno111]

I feel that classroom of the elite suffers the same problem rick and morty does, being “you’re missing the point by idolizing them.” I always saw ayanokoji as the bad guy when I binged though the entirety of the anime. Otherwise, everything about this video is correct. Still enjoyed it though, 7/10 nice to binge, light novel is probably better.

[@Ilsezwarts]

"I've apparently been this 30 since I was 25" felt.

[@esdeath5301]

I’m so glad this is a thing, I’ve been clueless as to why this is so popular

[@elstonngunn4193]

Honestly it’s the main character and that’s it I watched the show cus I wanted to know more abt him only reason I kept watching I like the show but if ayanokoji wasn’t there I’d drop it immediately

[@solarmars7950]

The LN is what made the anime popular. LN has a pretty large fanbase alone by itself and most of the people in the fanbase loathes the existence of the anime LOL. What they did to COTE literally gave me flashbacks on Tokyo Ghoul anime adaptation

[@esdeath5301]

@@solarmars7950 do you recommend the LN?

[@asanohibari]

@@esdeath5301 Of course, the only way to actually enjoy the series lol.

[@solarmars7950]

@@esdeath5301 yes of course. LN is much much better than the anime. LN Ayanokoji had so much character depth to be honest. The anime portrayed his fucked up defense mechanism which is we called "WR persona" very well but failed to portray his personality (yes he have an actual personality that the first time I read I'm surprised this dude doesn't think like an edgelord 100% of the time.LOL) That tool monologue is glorified in the anime but in context it's actually sad because all of his life he was treated like a tool/product so the dude developed a twisted perspective in human relationships. LN Ayanokoji is a perfect example of a morally gray character

[@heibk-2019]

What always got me are the quotes at the beginning that give off these "uhh im so smart" vibes, while its really not that crazy and the story is full of plotholes

[@Alonkis251]

Just for record, reading quote book doesn't make you smart, if these was the anime creator intent, then this weird way to think

[@ttw-uu4gh]

most times it's just a principle that makes sense to the episodes ocurrences, not actually something meant to be like ''wow so insightful''

[@TheRandomThings23]

Are you talking about the anime? What plot holes are you referring to?

[@lightyagami4560]

@@TheRandomThings23 17:23 There are more wait

[@lightyagami4560]

@@TheRandomThings23 25:06 like seriously so many plot holes

[@themysticarcher3313]

Honestly I have pretty low standards when watching anime, but the first season of classroom of the elite was really dumb. All of Ayanokoji’s “smart” moments never hit me as all that smart. Admittedly there were some things that you pointed out as dumb that I didn’t, which just makes my dissatisfaction with the mind games so much worse. Also: I’m a teenager. You know it’s bad when the targeted audience finds it bad. It wasn’t enough to stop me from watching the series, sure, but that really says something

[@dantio3195]

the "easy peasy/breasy" short insert of eizoken was sooo satisfying, thank you!! :D

[@Access.Denied]

Thank you for roasting that "Genius Plot" during the Sport Festival episode. It was so insufferable that anyone would think it would work, worst still, someone came up with that plot and thought it was good.

[@tacticalg754]

Because the outsourced studio literally didn't have any damn budget to animate scenes properly. In the LN Class C didn't blatantly punch and kick Suduo, just some minor bumps and crashes, which worked on Sudou in a physiological way than physical. Not only these but they used some other little dirty tricks like Ryuuen using hair gel in that "get the flag from your opponents head riding a man made horse" (I don't remember the name). That made it impossible for class D and A to get the last "flag" since it was slippy. For Horikita's part, the class C girl was calling her name, which made Horikita look at her direction few times, before the accident happened. The hot teacher video-checked, and pointed out that it seems like Horikita intentionally bumped to her; Results being that Horikita was forced to go to the hospital. But ofcourse anime didn't have the time even for that and Horikita followed Kushida like an idiot.

[@Access.Denied]

@@tacticalg754 That certainly explains a lot. Thank you for sharing.

[@ttw-uu4gh]

@@tacticalg754 I also saw people say how anime wasn't realistic regarding interactions (how he is so socially successful while having a dead-fish face and being unmeaninful in conversations), but in the manga he faked actually being emotional and had ''normal'' interactions for that, while people on the manga also reacted when he was ''dead inside'', which made a lot more sense.

[@reckermatouvc]

@@ttw-uu4gh Dude, almost no one read the manga. Probably talking about the novel. I'd say that out of the people who didn't watch the anime, 95% read the novel while like 5% read the manga. But yeah, the anime is no doubt the worst way to consume COTE. Just read the novel if you're interested on it

[@gatling216]

I think high school me would have loved this, because high school me was a maladapted gifted kid who spent a lot of time imagining the brilliant ways he could play his classmates like fiddles if only he could be bothered. Which, I gather, isn’t uncommon for maladapted gifted kids, especially not the ones who got bullied. Then I hit a growth spurt and discovered the joys of weightlifting, and suddenly that stopped being a problem. Fifteen years later, the idea makes me cringe so hard my face threatens to collapse.

[@SinHurr]

Do not cringe at your past cringe. Embrace the fact that you no longer cringe.

[@aryapratama5648]

If you geting cringed at your past then you are an adult, that is a good thing👍

[@aryapratama5648]

If you geting cringed at your past then you are an adult, that is a good thing👍

[@Ben-vg6ox]

I'm actually so amazed at how vain high school people are, is it really so common that people think themselves are similar to Ayanokouji

[@marocat4749]

Everyone has their past cringe they fear comimg tolight source, gringe a fun crazy ex girlriend song and oy is the show good whn it keeps going

[@mowukamoon7024]

That setup sounds disturbingly like Assassination Classroom, and that… disturbs me.

[@soulcleaner3578]

I used to love playing the Danganronpa wrap up theme whenever the characters started explaining stuff.

[@jasonguarnieri4127]

After two full seasons, the most interesting thing about Ayanokoji is the fact that his name has five syllables in it.

[@arshyarshy4414]

lol he has a lot of depth in the light novel

[@dimitrimcintosh8858]

@@arshyarshy4414 nobody asked

[@arshyarshy4414]

@@dimitrimcintosh8858 it’s okay honestly, re zero pfps are always a fat W

[@kaiwardinofficial9686]

@@dimitrimcintosh8858 L

[@dimitrimcintosh8858]

@@kaiwardinofficial9686 the only L is thinking this is good Pls stfu about the LN I never asked or cared

[@Only_Ameen04]

You know there's certain satisfaction seeing a series that you hate but many love it being roasted by someone you know

[@HellOzzzGaming]

Read the ln and u will probably love it.

[@richie_0740]

same, i didnt see the appeal of this anime

[@abidyo]

i thought the same thing, amen brudder

[@fable2830]

I mean the fans of the franchise hate the anime we know it's bad the light novels are what people praise and rightfully so

[@dimitrimcintosh8858]

@@HellOzzzGaming that shit is mid too lol

[@alh1618]

Your roasts are my new favorite thing on youtube.

[@JL-dm6ke]

Alternative title: This Is Why You Should Read The Light Novel

[@jacobnorris8256]

A lot of his criticisms apply to the LNs as well though. The LN is better, and in fact MUCH better when it comes to anything regarding Horikita, but the rest of the criticisms apply to the LNs as well (though sometimes to a lesser degree).

[@frankiemorga2873]

Fun fact: You can be an adult and still enjoy trash for the trash that it is

[@petrsevcik5044]

Correction: You *need* to be adult enough to enjoy trash for the trash it is

[@Mezmorizorz]

Even by trash standards it's not very good though. I enjoyed it when it came out and was just one season well enough, but that was because I didn't share his hate of Suzune (though I can't say he's wrong about her character) and it's not revealed until the very, very end that his superpower is quite literally being a sociopath. They definitely hinted at there being more than meets the eye with him, but I was expecting there to be more than meets the eye and not "I don't even see you as a person." Maybe it'll turn a new leaf and only S2 will be truly awful, but I'm not optimistic.

[@zodra9509]

I like watching garbage kids be garbage to each other in a competition to see who can be king garbage, and thats why I’ve been watching this anime.

[@ttw-uu4gh]

Yeah. I've always been very well aware of how objectively-trash that anime is from all sides, but it didn't stop me from enjoying it and even getting to love it. Sometimes we just like stupid things and we shouldn't be ashamed of it.

[@brimward122]

Compared to other mind game series, classroom of the elite is very boring.

[@riceboyy__]

I love how there’s more animation in a wine glass shown 22:53 than the rest of the anime

[@TheSchokodragon]

That wine glass must be aCGI 3D model - a pretty good-looking one! Which ends up being a bad thing coz it then contrasts so harshly against the ultra-mid artstyle of everything else

[@timothymclean]

Wine doesn't have much anatomy to worry about.

[@hakunamatata4975]

The fact that this anime isn't even as wild as I thought it was going to be kills me I was SO READY for the anime to be like "yeah so MC was actually made in a lab" that when his DAD showed up, that was the biggest plot twist of my week also I just finished it and came to this video having remembered seeing the thumbnail but not the title and I genuinely thought I was about to be told how this anime is actually genius

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

Classroom of the Elite is something I could be a lot more chartable with if *Welcome to Demon School! Iruma-kun* wasn't basically the same premise, but with, you know...actual charm, compelling characters, and a more imaginative school.

[@dimitrimcintosh8858]

This anime is just a shitty version of assassination classroom without the interesting character,good animation,good character writing etc

[@Oneforus21111]

@@dimitrimcintosh8858 Fruit of Grisaia handled it better than Classroom of the Elite

[@dimitrimcintosh8858]

@@Oneforus21111 fruit of grisaia is another generic self insert wish fulfillment mid series

[@DarkSideOfMirror]

@@dimitrimcintosh8858 At least the Light novel is much better.

[@DrGandW]

I don’t think either of these comparisons are appropriate in the least but I like the series being brought up so I’ll just enjoy the fact that they’re getting praise

[@ashleightompkins3200]

I really need to read these damn light novels! I first believed this was going to be a story of Kaguya-Sama level mind games.

[@MrAnonymousme10]

you really need to.

[@Nyaajita]

I can’t speak of what your experience will be or anyone else’s for that matter, but I was on my seat more times reading the LN than I had reading a lot of other stuff, pretty good stuff might I add.

[@solarmars7950]

Well in the light novel mind games are literally top tier. Every volume has hidden plots like I'm actually mad on how they did COTE dirty

[@DrGandW]

The LN is an awesome experience… starting in Volume 3. I don’t exactly hate the first two volumes… just doesn’t match up to the rest of the series.

[@DAX-PMFT]

It's such a shame to see how misunderstood this Light Novel was The anime was doomed to fail since the 1st season and i completely agree that it is utter garbage, it completely made parts of the series purposely cringy and edgy The novels portray Ayanokoji in a different maner, he has emotions, he seeks freedom and is interested in knowing more about the normal life that he never experienced Again, anime had parts of the plot had been cut down completely, thus making the majority of the plot, including things from small interactions to major twists completely senseless For example, the LN explained very well Karuizawa's intentions or Horikita Manabu's reasonings for indirectly asking her sister the join the StuCo in Episodes 11 and 13 respectively In the Novel those respective scenes are given meaning by past interactions and explanations that never existed in the Anime Once again, strategies and implications have been cut off, thus making the plot shitier Moving on, as COTE isn't even completely about that, but about a abnormal boy learning to he human through an abnormal school I was about to write like a 6K word comment about this, but i realised its pointless anyway, all COTE children stans talk about Sociopath solos ahaha, while ignoring what truly makes Classroom of the Elite one of Japan's best modern Light Novels Hating on the anime because of its quality is fine, hating the fanbase because of stupidity is also fine, hating the light novel before reading it and judging it truly, ignoring those 2 bad elements about the media, is something i highly disagree with I know I sound like a generic "read the LN" fanboy, but it's just the truth 😂

[@GunWraith]

I watched season 1 and vaguely enjoyed it, but not enough to watch season 2. Watching this video has convinced me to read the light novel.

[@samwill7259]

Reminder, to any of you creatives out there, writers and the like: If you are ever in the position to get an adaptation of your work made. KEEP. CREATIVE CONTROL. AT ALL COSTS. Take a pay cut, tell the people asking to fuck off and wait for someone else to come along. They WILL do this to your stories and the only people who will EVER get screwed is YOU when they turn your signature radioactive to critics and audiences alike. Plant your feet on creative veto power and stay there until someone either plays ball or you die of old age. The payout from an adaptation is not worth THIS becoming what your story is

[@tutumazibuko2510]

Dude chill out lol. It's because of this adaptation that people even give a shit about the source material enough to give a read.

[@samwill7259]

@@tutumazibuko2510 Well "dude" why did an anime studio fucking pay for it if nobody gave a shit already?

[@leka2095]

@@amandak.4246 shhhh... let them be. dude probably thinks anime/light novel industry needs the west to survive. just smile and wave politely and they will leave you alone

[@Rudoku1]

@@tutumazibuko2510The Promised Neverland 2 proved that long ago.

[@alibrennan5977]

*Coughcough*HBO Max*cough*Disney*coughcough*😷

[@llolichannel]

The novels are really good though, the main character monologues are really good and the games made a lot more interesting. The anime has very few good points, mainly the island exam and the final conflict with Ryuen, but character motivations are almost entirely skipped in the adaptation. In the novels, by the end of the first year, almost all of the characters in class D has had some kind of character arc and progression, it’s really interesting to see how things progress!

[@JayMehKay]

I’ve made it my goal to watch 100 full-length trash anime before I go, and I think it’s because you opened my eyes

[@junojun722]

How is your objective going?

[@tiagobelo4965]

God bless you you complete maniac, whoever reads your story at the pearly gates will let you right on through. Stay strong through the dumpster fire, and good luck.

[@sleeplessindefatigable6385]

That use of the Eizouken opening was absolutely on point. That's some piquant editing there.

[@ibrahimzeyani1634]

Ayanokoji already knew you were gonna make this vid on this exact date. Singing his praises to get more people to know of his existence. Sasuga Ayanokoji-sama

[@Outlaw7263]

I suddenly feel better knowing I never gave this anime a chance

[@arshyarshy4414]

yea because it’s shit, try the light novel

[@Outlaw7263]

@@arshyarshy4414 still reading berserk, I'll try once I finish that

[@Oneforus21111]

Read the LN. Or try watch the anime Grisaia no Kajitsu. It's similar to this but it's better than Classroom of the Elite.

[@arshyarshy4414]

@@Outlaw7263 berserk is peak ngl so that’s a W but COTES light novel is incredible, it’s a little slow at the start but it picks up fast and each volume is like it’s own murder mystery

[@Outlaw7263]

@@Oneforus21111 thanks, I'll watch it when I have a chance

[@ragashingo2105]

Thank you! When this thing got a 3rd season I figured I needed to check it out. I think I made it through a full, complete two episodes before my brain turned to bored mush and oozed out my ears. I was expecting super clever machinations… What I got was “the smartest, most capable future leaders” goofing off and spending all their money without asking how the school’s economy works until they were broke. It felt like any and every anime set in a high school was more clever and intriguing than this. Nice seeing someone agrees!

[@carealoo744]

I've been looking for this video for Months!

[@Ryan-gn7up]

I would never recommend this anime to a single other human being on the planet even if you put a gun to my head........ but I absolutely love it. Best kinda absolute trash garbage.

[@DrGandW]

I like the anime insofar as it got me to read the LN. While reading I did get upset that it changed so much for the worst but then I realized I wouldn’t have read it if the anime didn’t exist so I can’t really be mad that it exists, I just find it funny how much better it could have been if it was an actual adaptation. Except episode 7 of season 1. That shit is actually offensive. There’s just one chapter in a side book(not even main volume) that takes place after the events of season 1 where Ayanokoji sabotages some guys peeking and they radically changed the context and timeline and which characters were involved and extended it and fucked up the pacing just to fit a swimsuit pool episode in season 1. I got to the end of Volume 3, where the anime ends, was confused, got to Volume 4.5, saw the tiny amount of insignificant content that was adapted into a giant waste of time, and truly realized how little the adapters actually cared about the story they were adapting.

[@SuperBeanSquad]

My friend recommended to me completely unironically and I will never forgive him for that. I know it's not for everyone, but his previous recommendation was Re:Zero which I really enjoyed. Going from that to... _this_ was a level of emotional whiplash I still haven't experienced in my media consumption... not because the tone is different, but because one was good and the other was complete garbage.

[@swordyshield]

@@SuperBeanSquad was he a light novel reader by any chance?

[@SuperBeanSquad]

@@swordyshield He was not. He doesn't read any LNs to my knowledge.

[@swordyshield]

@@SuperBeanSquad if he was a fan of this and he is open to the idea of reading LN's he should, it's just much better and if he liked the anime then he will likely love the LN

[@samshapira8295]

Hello there! Allow me to say that as an avid reader of Infinite Dendrogram, I'm so glad to know the Classroom of the Elite fans share in our suffering of having a bad light novel adaptation.